I wonder if they are besties
#lore-discussion
austere agate
high nova
im happy that sig isop lmao
rare trail
theyre were on a lot of missions together
high nova
i love him
high nova
they could really expend on sig tho
stuck stump
reinhardt seems like a cool dude
twilit patrol
reinhardt seems like a cool dude
That's the case
high nova
zarya my precious
rare trail
zarya is a bit racist
twilit patrol
worthy rose
Doomfist = least interesting Talon member
high nova
zarya is a bit racist
nah she just doesnt know
worthy rose
zarya is a bit racist
Actually Zarya's changed, she helped one of the omnics that were in danger in her comic
rare trail
helping one omnic doesnt make you not racist lol
worthy rose
She WAS "racist" at the time but she as well as other characters Torb have come around
No but considering she's joined the Overwatch team, she's clearly changing
stuck stump
worthy rose
I doubt the Overwatch team would let a bigot join
rare trail
idk
high nova
zarya is s tier for me
high nova
I doubt the Overwatch team would let a bigot join
whos a bigot
worthy rose
No one
I'm just saying
Team Overwatch wouldn't let a bigot join their strike team
Talon?? Maybe LOL
high nova
do anything cool
worthy rose
And Ramattra
high nova
they just act like saturday morning cartoon villain
worthy rose
True
stuck stump
worthy rose
Which is why I'm so so so so excited for the PVE and upcoming comics to expand on the lore
It's so exciting
high nova
<:WidowPensive:873486418545082378>
i hate widow with na passion lol
stuck stump
based
high nova
she killed mondatta
high nova
NONE of that is her fault LOL
yeah sure chief
worthy rose
Her being mind controlled:
rare trail
she chose to go back to talon
high nova
she gets euphoric
worthy rose
Y'all: it's her fault
rare trail
Her being mind controlled:
she isnt mind controlled
worthy rose
She's a sleeper agent LOL
stuck stump
have tracer and ashe or bawb ever met
worthy rose
No
high nova
shes a murderer who enjoy killing rlly
stuck stump
but she
worthy rose
Because Moira keeps experimenting on her
stuck stump
she look good tho
rare trail
Amélie returned to Talon, chasing the high that had both thrilled and terrified her.
she chose to go back
high nova
she look good tho
doesnt matter
worthy rose
She's a sleeper agent
Moira (when moira didn't exist in the game) was experimenting on her with Talon
rare trail
moira wasnt involved with her original reconditioning
worthy rose
When they captured her
high nova
i think zenyatta is rightous so is lucio and none else
worthy rose
Idk the iris is kinda sus tbh
rare trail
moira would've been in blackwatch when widow was reconditioned
worthy rose
Remember Talon's BEEN a thing
I forgot his name
But the CEO of Vishkar
He's a Talon member, as well as Max
They've been wanting Widow for the longest time since Gerard was so good apparently
high nova
i just have too much malice for widow lol
rare trail
sanjay
worthy rose
Yes him
rare trail
yeah widow is one of the most evil characters
high nova
wait vishkar is indian org
stuck stump
whos the most morally good character
high nova
weird name for an org
stuck stump
i assume winton
high nova
since it means prayer
worthy rose
Well
high nova
whos the most morally good character
zen
rare trail
mercy is pretty morally good
twilit patrol
i assume winton
Yeah
worthy rose
When in reality they do more harm then good
twilit patrol
high nova
When in reality they do more harm then good
i mean that jsut how we roll
peak indian corpo here
worthy rose
They're trying to gentrify Brazil
Ugh that story is so good I can't waaaait for season 6
Season 5 and 6 are gonna be peak idc no one can tell me other wise
stuck stump
i heard people say mercy was secretly evil, i cant imagine it being true though
she seems to nice
high nova
man i never heard vishkar as someone name before lol
worthy rose
i heard people say mercy was secretly evil, i cant imagine it being true though
Definitely not lol
worthy rose
Mercy ever since her parents died has been wanting to help people and hasn't stopped
Idk where those people got her being evil from LOL
high nova
i hate mercy lol cuz i main doom and when she heals me she says
not even you deserve that
and im like dont heal me then
lemme die
see what happens then lmao
stuck stump
are tracer and winston like best friends
high nova
are tracer and winston like best friends
i think so
worthy rose
For christmas she invited him over since he doesn't have family to hang out with her and Emily
And they ate food together
stuck stump
aww
worthy rose
It's so cute
high nova
ah man i want doom vs winston rematch
stuck stump
i wish shed invite me
worthy rose
LOL
high nova
they did my boy doom dirty
high nova
Winston would win again
nnah lmao doom would wipe
twilit patrol
I don't think
rare trail
the only time we've seen them fight winston won
high nova
genji tracer and winston vs one man
rare trail
doom hasnt gotten notably stronger since then
high nova
and he flatlines 2 of em
worthy rose
Also
rare trail
genji and tracer were done by the time winston started fighting him
worthy rose
He's literally TERRIFIED of Orisa LMAO
twilit patrol
He's literally TERRIFIED of Orisa LMAO
worthy rose
Exactly
high nova
is he really
worthy rose
Yeah
high nova
like in comic
worthy rose
She apparently chased him out of Numbani
worthy rose
^
high nova
man i guess blizzard doesnt like doom
high nova
ehj
worthy rose
If he were a more interesting villain
Or at all cool like Reaper Moira or Widow
I'd root for him
But he's literally just a fist
And he also recruited Ramattra Pick me robot
So that's a double negative
high nova
Or at all cool like Reaper Moira or Widow
doom is intrestin then moira or reaper for me but less then sigma
worthy rose
Sigma is so good I really have no clue how they're gonna expand on his lore
twilit patrol
And he also recruited Ramattra ***Pick me robot***
He recruited him ?
worthy rose
Other than him being literally insane
worthy rose
He recruited him ?
Yeah
high nova
cuz i like his playstyle
worthy rose
He spoke pretty words to Ramattra and Ramattra not knowing like Widow killed Mandatta like the dumb ass he is
high nova
He's a fighting character in fps game
worthy rose
He's working with Talon now
high nova
He spoke pretty words to Ramattra and Ramattra not knowing like Widow killed Man...
Bro a doomfist hater lmao
worthy rose
Ramattra is literally one of the DUMBEST Overwatch characters
rare trail
why?
worthy rose
I don't think Ramattra is dumb if he manages to lead Null Sector and be such a threat to society as a whole
rare trail
ramattra didnt like mondotta
high nova
I mainly like doomfist cuz how energetic I feel playing him jump around
twilit patrol
Ramattra dumb ?
worthy rose
Ramattra literally signed with Talon unknowing they don't care about Omnics
Like he was persuaded so easily
It's embarrassing
high nova
What else can he do omnics are not powerful alone
Tell me
Should he join human
That are a threat to
stuck stump
whats kiriko like, i heard shes arrogant
high nova
His kind
worthy rose
Kiriko in game is arrogant
twilit patrol
Ramattra literally signed with Talon unknowing they don't care about Omnics
How can you know if they care or no ?
high nova
Should he join ow that is neutral
rare trail
Ramattra literally signed with Talon unknowing they don't care about Omnics
what makes you think talon doesnt care about omnics
worthy rose
But tbh I loved her cinematic
high nova
Ofc he'd go to extreme
worthy rose
what makes you think talon doesnt care about omnics
Well considering they ordered the hit on Mondatta
high nova
Talon wants new world order
worthy rose
Why would they
rare trail
like maximilean is in talon
high nova
Wants to Change the status quo
worthy rose
Max is also only in it for the money
high nova
So Ramattra is with em
worthy rose
And his own self worth
twilit patrol
like maximilean is in talon
Maximilien
worthy rose
As we saw in the uprising thingy
rare trail
Well considering they ordered the hit on Mondatta
mondatta wasnt an anti omnic hit it was just to stir up conflict
high nova
Over humans
twilit patrol
I hope we will fight Talon
rare trail
like talon kills people
worthy rose
No but even then
rare trail
sometimes those people are omnics
worthy rose
They clearly viewed him expendable
rare trail
how?
worthy rose
Killing someone to stir up conflict and not even batting an eye
high nova
Killing someone to stir up conflict and not even batting an eye
They are villains after all
rare trail
Killing someone to stir up conflict and not even batting an eye
why do you think they didnt bat an eye
stuck stump
does tracer ever talk about the plane accident
worthy rose
After widow killed him
rare trail
they sent like their top hitman after mondotta
worthy rose
She got up and left
twilit patrol
I have question
rare trail
yeah
high nova
They can
rare trail
widow likes killing people
high nova
Do their shit
twilit patrol
What's the timeline between Mondatta death and the recall ?
high nova
That's why they did it
stuck stump
widow just needs love (i can fix her)
high nova
widow just needs love (i can fix her)
Widow needs a bullet in the head lmao so does doom and moira and reaper lmao
rare trail
dva is 19 in ow1
worthy rose
Somewhere along there
twilit patrol
She was 19
worthy rose
Yeah
rare trail
why do you think shes 22 now?
stuck stump
wait dva is in her 20s now?
worthy rose
She was 19 in ow1 so canonically yeah
rare trail
i dont think thats confirmed
twilit patrol
No
high nova
I think the only character that is virtuous
Is prolly
ZEN
LUCIO
And yeah that's it
Cuz others have killed
stuck stump
would that mean tracer is like 28/29 or so
high nova
They killed
rare trail
echo
worthy rose
No
high nova
Omnics r8
rare trail
ok?
worthy rose
Tracer's SO young
high nova
Didn't he
worthy rose
Killing omnics is not the same as killing humans
stuck stump
she was 26 in ow1
rare trail
killing mindless omnics that are actively taking over the world isnt an evil action
high nova
Killing omnics is not the same as killing humans
Ramattra live reaction
worthy rose
killing mindless omnics that are actively taking over the world isnt an evil act...
This is true
rare trail
tracer is 26
worthy rose
26 now? or back then
worthy rose
:o I could've sworn she was like 24 that's crazy
Many characters have killed omnics but there's a lot less that have killed humans
high nova
Reinhardt almost got his friend killed cuz he got cocky
And wanted glory
Is that a way of rightous man
rare trail
people change
stuck stump
wait how old is ashe
high nova
Many characters have killed omnics but there's a lot less that have killed human...
Then the who's life is inferior
Question comes
worthy rose
I mean if you're thinking about it that way
All of the overwatch team have killed Omnics
rare trail
ashe is like in her 30s iirc
worthy rose
Then the who's life is inferior
Question comes
This is the exact reason Null Sector exists
high nova
people change
Someone literally said
Zarya is bit racist early
rare trail
39
rare trail
Someone literally said
Zarya is bit racist early
yea
zarya is still racist at least somewhat
twilit patrol
Zarya's racist ?
worthy rose
^
rare trail
i think it was confirmed in her comic
high nova
I mean what's done is done tho Reinhardt friend ain't gonna come back no matter how much he redeem
worthy rose
Did the omnics make the wasteland
I'm so confused
In Australia?
Like why do THEY hate omnics LMAO
Yeah
They didn't
Like they literally use them for sport
The Junkers sabotaged the Australian Omnium, causing its reactor to detonate
Ohh
Thus the radiation?
high nova
Should there be redemption for those who are obligated to be righteous
twilit patrol
But they kill omnics ?
rare trail
an omnica blew up because some australians blew it up
worthy rose
Is it bad that I do kinda hate Reinhardt
worthy rose
Like he literally got his team killed
twilit patrol
Is it bad that I do kinda hate Reinhardt
It's not nice
worthy rose
And he talks about how he's changed
rare trail
he didnt get hit team killed wdym
rare trail
he got balderich killed sure
high nova
I don't like the whole virtuous Charade of overwatch really
rare trail
his team isnt shown to die though
worthy rose
That's true
worthy rose
^
twilit patrol
Rein is just like a kid
high nova
he got balderich killed sure
That's what I'm sayin like isn't he supposed to be hero rightous
Then why he got flows
stuck stump
rein looks old to me
worthy rose
Like Rein talks so much about saving people
But then he treats all what they do like a game
Because Reinhardt would be a bit shallow if he was just a perfect knight in shining armor imo
He hasn't learned
And it's been HOW many years??
rare trail
where message go
worthy rose
I understood what you meant
high nova
What i am saying is
worthy rose
But at the same time I'm p sure Overwatch DO help human and omnics alike
They do
So it's like I don't think charade is the better word
high nova
Reinhardt shouldn't be called hero because after all he made some narcissistic mistake'that got his friend killed
worthy rose
Because they're not pretending to wanna do it
worthy rose
Reinhardt shouldn't be called hero because after all he made some narcissistic m...
And still kinda seems like he'd do it in a heartbeat again
rare trail
rein made a mistake and changed as a person
theres nothing showing he would do it again
worthy rose
He literally ONLY talks about how he does it for honor and glory
twilit patrol
That's why you hate kinda Rein
worthy rose
That's disgustingly big headed
worthy rose
He literally ONLY talks about how he does it for honor and glory
That's more of a schtick than anything
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And still kinda seems like he'd do it in a heartbeat again
What
the in game voicelines are like that but he quite obviously learned
yall trippin asf if you think hed do it again
the cinematic makes it very clear he wouldnt
high nova
rein made a mistake and changed as a person
Tell me
A man who's an outlaw he robs a bank yeah and someone gets killed
That outlaw in his later years
Becomes good man
Does charity all kinda good things
But the man he got killed
Can he be brought back
Would that dead man's son wish the outlaw well
rare trail
being an outlaw and murdering someone is different than being cocky and accidentally getting your friend killed because they sacrificed themselves
worthy rose
Like I'm happy brigitte can tell right from wrong the last person she should end up like is Reinhardt
shadow marsh
What's happening
rare trail
like murder is different than fucking up and someone sacrificing themselves for you lol
worthy rose
But I love that the Overwatch team is so quickly welcoming to Brigitte and Mei
worthy rose
What's happening
Discussion on whether or not calling Reinhardt a hero is justified
high nova
It's an outlaw he's supposed to be. Bad
A hero isn't supposed to be bad
A hero is supposed to be virtuous and not full of himself
rare trail
yeah
worthy rose
"And not full of himself"
rare trail
rein isnt
worthy rose
Which reinhardt DEFINITELY is
shadow marsh
Discussion on whether or not calling Reinhardt a hero is justified
Why is that a discussion
worthy rose
Reinhardt is only full of himself in his cinematic and in-game
After Balderich was killed, he changed
rare trail
rein is pretty insecure
high nova
Course he isn't anymore he got his friend killed lost his eye
Ofc he'd be careful
worthy rose
Yeah
rare trail
people change
worthy rose
He changed his ways because it costs him Balderich's life
high nova
If his friend didn't die there
Rein would probably be the same cocky guy
worthy rose
True
rare trail
thats a baseless guess
twilit patrol
If his friend didn't die there
Rein would probably be the same cocky guy
Yes
I agree
high nova
thats a baseless guess
How is that baseless
rare trail
if things were different things might be differnt
worthy rose
Yeah because nothing would tell him that it's bad if he didn't lose anything from it
Well I mean
That's true
rare trail
he still would've lost his eye and gotten injured even if balderich didnt die
high nova
Rein literally served some years in military or crusade and the only time he got more careful
Cuz his friend died
worthy rose
BUT also if he didn't die he most definitely would've beat it into Reinhardts head that what he was doing wasn't ok
He also was
Until he finally understood
Balderich was repeadetly telling Reinhardt to fall back
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Rein literally served some years in military or crusade and the only time he got...
And that change was for life
high nova
And that change was for life
What is the point of change if it costs a good man's life
A honorable man
worthy rose
Balderich was killed, and that's one man, one good man, but from what we know, most of his unit survived
War takes tolls on people, and their lives
shadow marsh
He lived with Honor and died with Glory
It's literally in the title of the cinematic
high nova
It would be signficantly worse if his entire unit was killed
Maybe other nameless Soldier died before baldritch
Too cuz they show how Cocky rein is
It's just that rein didn't know them
But when it hit close to home
He finally understood
twilit patrol
He lived with Honor and died with Glory
Isn't it obvious
rare trail
also balderich sacrificed himself
worthy rose
For me it would be different if he were going back for reasons like Mercy
shadow marsh
No shit it's obvious
worthy rose
She literally DID NOT wanna sit and do nothing while the people she loved were fighting out there
worthy rose
also balderich sacrificed himself
That's also true. He decided to stay and hold his ground
Where as he literally was just like yeah I want some honor and glory
Ima answer the recall
shadow marsh
Why is it a big deal he died
high nova
also balderich sacrificed himself
And for what a cocky man who almost got himself and his squad killed
rare trail
like rein didnt get balderich killed balderich decided to do the risky thing and save rein and died for it
worthy rose
like rein didnt get balderich killed balderich decided to do the risky thing and...
And who's fault is that
rare trail
balderichs
worthy rose
Literally EVERYTHING could've been prevented
high nova
Yes cuz baldritch was better man
worthy rose
If it weren't for him
rare trail
no one forced balderich to go after rein
high nova
He knew when to retreat when to not
worthy rose
Wasn't Baldritch the leader of them
shadow marsh
Balderich had to die
worthy rose
There's literally no way in hell he would've
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Literally EVERYTHING could've been prevented
One action does not define a man
high nova
One action does not define a man
But his cockyness defined his character
And character defines a man
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Especially if you look at what his goals were even after overwatch got disbanded: protecting the innocent
rare trail
he changed
shadow marsh
Why is this even a discussion
Reinhardt gave up his glory by giving his hammer to Balderich
high nova
rein doing one bad thing doesnt make him absolutely bad forever
One sin is enough
Eve only did one sin and look what that cost
shadow marsh
It's self-explanatory
twilit patrol
rein doing one bad thing doesnt make him absolutely bad forever
He wasn't nasty neither
rare trail
thats a pretty childish way to think
opaque scroll
Why is this even a discussion
some people are so dumb they dont understand that rein isnt a bad person in the lore
worthy rose
So how does WIdowmaker being a sleeper agent not knowing she's Amélie killing people make her a bad person
shadow marsh
The lives he saved after the event is his redemption
high nova
thats a pretty childish way to think
All I'm saying is hero shouldn't make mistakes
He's not a hero then
rare trail
So how does WIdowmaker being a sleeper agent not knowing she's ***Amélie*** kill...
she knows shes amelie
high nova
A simple man who doesn't know better
shadow marsh
Every hero isn't perfect
twilit patrol
Every hero isn't perfect
I agree
rare trail
All I'm saying is hero shouldn't make mistakes
He's not a hero then
literally everyone makes mistakes
shadow marsh
Literally you can't save everyone
high nova
literally everyone makes mistakes
Not so grave that it costs life
high nova
thats what makes people human
Yeah he's human then not a hero
stuck stump
was widow ever a good person, or was she always a cold blooded killer
high nova
I'm not saying evil dumbo
worthy rose
Not so grave that it costs life
It's one man who died out of thousands out of the entire omnic crisis
No she was so in love
With her husband
high nova
I'm saying he's just a human
rare trail
if a hero is someone who makes zero mistakes and is perfect then that doesnt exist
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was widow ever a good person, or was she always a cold blooded killer
widow was a regular person afaik
worthy rose
Until talon abducted her
shadow marsh
Like every deserving crusaders, Balderich died with glory
worthy rose
was widow ever a good person, or was she always a cold blooded killer
She was a good person until Talon intervened
high nova
Not a better man or like virtuous rightous man PPL make him out to be
rare trail
stories would be unbelievably boring if everyone was perfect all the time
worthy rose
She was a good person until Talon intervened
^
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Not a better man or like virtuous rightous man PPL make him out to be
oh but he is
he just used to not be
high nova
oh but he is
Would that change the past tho?
worthy rose
You can't change the past
shadow marsh
Let go of the past man
worthy rose
LOL
high nova
A deed done is done
worthy rose
Wrong pastime
high nova
The past doesnt define what he is now
Well it defines what one used to be
They could be that again
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no
because he changed
how fucking dumb can you be not to understand that
its the whole point of the cinematic
shadow marsh
I believe in change
twilit patrol
You can't change the past
Yeah but the past is the past
high nova
how fucking dumb can you be not to understand that
I'm saying he's not a perfect hero you idiot
worthy rose
I literally forgot does he even say anything in the cinematic to show he even HAS changed???
rare trail
like spiderman causes uncle Ben to be killed in a lot of spidrrman stories but like he’s still the hero
high nova
Not a virtuous rightous man you make him out
Idk how the fuck you don't understand that
worthy rose
You can have regret and still not have changed
twilit patrol
I'm saying he's not a perfect hero you idiot
Hey chill guys
high nova
I'm not saying he's evil
worthy rose
Like I'm so passed the Reinhardt subject
high nova
Hey chill guys
He called me fuckin idiot I'm gonna say it back
worthy rose
Like you can show remorse and not change lol
twilit patrol
He called me fuckin idiot I'm gonna say it back
I've seen it but it's not just you
rare trail
but rein did change
worthy rose
I don't think Overwatch is gonna last long during the Null Sector invasion if Reinhardt is still cocky and overconfident
rare trail
yeah
worthy rose
True
upper wadi
i got a question
twilit patrol
Now I wonder what Rein will do
high nova
I'm saying he changed or not
What I'm saying is that he's not a virtuous all rightous man
upper wadi
does anyone know ramattras lore and where i can read it?
high nova
He has his faults
rare trail
if Winston didn’t want rein there he could’ve not recalled him
worthy rose
does anyone know ramattras lore and where i can read it?
He's a pickme robot that has no idea what he's getting into that now controls Null Sector, the end
upper wadi
He's a pickme robot that has no idea what he's getting into that now controls Nu...
thanks, short and understandable
worthy rose
Sorry
rare trail
does anyone know ramattras lore and where i can read it?
bio origin and short story is all we have for now
worthy rose
That now controls null sector because doomfist sweet talked him
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twilit patrol
does anyone know ramattras lore and where i can read it?
worthy rose
There we go
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But what're they gonna say?
Winston initiated recall to everyone he thought was worthy of being on Overwatch and useful and able to help. Rein wouldn't have been called if Winston didn't want him in. It's not an option of "no you cant come back", it's of "no, you weren't called".
rare trail
Reflections is rams
like everyone who’s met rein likes him
no one is saying rein is perfect
no one is perfect
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We
worthy rose
Definitely not but there's just no indication of if he's changed or if he hasn't
high nova
Winston initiated recall to everyone he thought was worthy of being on Overwatch...
And listen don't go on verbal abuse
We all can but choose not to be
You talk about all redemption and hero shit
And you start verbally abusing to make your point
worthy rose
Just a video of him telling a story
twilit patrol
We can't be perfect
rare trail
Definitely not but there's just no indication of if he's changed or if he hasn't
there’s a ton of indication
he didn’t just watch his friend die and not change
stuck stump
does tracer still have her motorbike
worthy rose
We haven't seen that at all though
worthy rose
does tracer still have her motorbike
Yes
wind portal
Winston initiated recall to everyone he thought was worthy of being on Overwatch...
Reinhardt didn't do anything inherently wrong though
high nova
We can't be perfect
We can't be that's why we are not heroes just man
worthy rose
Idk if you saw there's a highlight intro with her on it :3
wind portal
nothing that would make Winston hate him anyway
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And listen don't go on verbal abuse
We all can but choose not to be
You talk ab...
because im tired of how you dont understand the whole point of his character; going from an arrogant honor-hogger to a caring protector. His past isn't perfect, but his current character is just as virtuous as people would make him out to be
opaque scroll
Reinhardt didn't do anything inherently wrong though
he didnt, and that's why it's not really a question, just answering the hypothetical what if yk
rare trail
does tracer still have her motorbike
and at the end of the short rein like protects his team and becomes their shield that’s like the point of the short
oh wait didn’t mean to reply
mb
wind portal
because im tired of how you dont understand the whole point of his character; go...
Reinhardt made this change very early by the way, before he even joined overwatch initially, you can even see it in his cinematic
high nova
because im tired of how you dont understand the whole point of his character; go...
How does your Tiring gives you pass to abuse me mate
You can just ignore me but you just wanna force your point
All i was saying that
He isn't faultless and has flaws
And man has PTSD
He isn't fit for the battle
And he made mistake
And quite frankly people don't come back
No matter how good you are after that
I'm not saying he's evil
Or bad
rare trail
no one is saying he’s flawless
worthy rose
I'm gonna play some matches, if y'all wanna join me just DM, they're open <3
high nova
The past is set in stone
wind portal
Reinhardt is clean if we compare him to other overwatch members outside of the obviously good ones
high nova
No matter how much you look away
Karma comes back
opaque scroll
How does your Tiring gives you pass to abuse me mate
You can just ignore me but...
I can see everything you say apart from "no person is redeemable". That's just something I can not agree on. People can change in almost true absolutes. If you don't see that then your bad. At this point we're not even disagreeing on the character, but rather just human nature.
wind portal
also if we're looking at just the past, Cassidy shouldn't have rejoined overwatch either but here we are
rare trail
there’s nothing showing he has ptsd or isn’t fit for battle he fought for many years with the overwatch one mistake doesn’t define a person
opaque scroll
And your approach to human nature just seems to be much more cynical
rare trail
The term ptsd gets thrown around a lot incorrectly
wind portal
but guess what? Cassidy reformed and his 'bad rep' is only really present in his former gang
high nova
I can see everything you say apart from "no person is redeemable". That's just s...
Would that benefit the people that were wronged by these said redeemed ppl
wind portal
by this logic of bad people not being redeemable, Ana shouldn't be redeemable either
She's definitely not clean
shadow marsh
I can see everything you say apart from "no person is redeemable". That's just s...
Yeah I accept Rein has done great fucked up in the past that got Balderich killed, but I don't agree that he's irredeemable
rare trail
rein wasn’t righteous but balderich taught him to be
opaque scroll
Would that benefit the people that were wronged by these said redeemed ppl
No, but that's not the point. What's done is done and can't be changed so you have to, get this, move on
opaque scroll
Yeah I accept Rein has done great fucked up in the past that got Balderich kille...
exactly
rare trail
also I wouldn’t say rein got balderich killed. balderich chose to sacrifice himself and save rein
opaque scroll
by this logic of bad people not being redeemable, Ana shouldn't be redeemable ei...
Huh? Ana literally says she wants to kill as few people as possible and that she always was like that, no?
opaque scroll
But I deny the fact he cannot change
Again, exactly
rare trail
Ana has killed a lot of people
wind portal
Huh? Ana literally says she wants to kill as few people as possible and that she...
Ana has one of the biggest kill counts in OW, she has a higher bounty than cassidy.
high nova
No, but that's not the point. What's done is done and can't be changed so you ha...
Then what's the point of them changing if there are people still suffering because of them
twilit patrol
But I deny the fact he cannot change
Me too
high nova
A good change is supposed to bring good things is it not
wind portal
Then what's the point of them changing if there are people still suffering becau...
if people can't look to the new person instead of thinking about the old person than that's on them bud.
opaque scroll
A good change is supposed to bring good things is it not
And it does. It just can't reverse things. It brings other good things, as much as possible
wind portal
A good change is supposed to bring good things is it not
that's not on the person who's reformed though? I don't see how this argument holds any weight
high nova
if people can't look to the new person instead of thinking about the old person ...
Well if someone got killed your loved one cuz they were cocky would you forgive them tell me
shadow marsh
Yk, Reinhardt probably knows that better than anyone
wind portal
Well if someone got killed your loved one cuz they were cocky would you forgive ...
You can forgive, but you can't forget.
high nova
You can forgive, but you can't forget.
Can you forgive tell me
opaque scroll
Then what's the point of them changing if there are people still suffering becau...
I'm done here, you just have one thing you keep saying over and over again... Yes, bad actions have consequences but you can't cancel those consequences no matter what you do so changing for the better as a person is the best thing you can do. And having once been bad doesnt mean you'll always be bad
wind portal
Can you forgive tell me
That entirely depends on the person. If they seemed willing to change then yes. That's not a straight cut answer
high nova
But you won't forget and that's what it all comes down to
Past cannot be changed karma cannot be changed
wind portal
But you won't forget and that's what it all comes down to
so you agree that bad people can be redeemed
shadow marsh
It's okay not to forgive either
wind portal
if you think they can forgive then you just agreed that bad people can be redeemed lol
high nova
so you agree that bad people can be redeemed
They can be redeemed
But what's the point of PPL were hurt in past
What's the point of redemption to those who were wronged
high nova
if you think they can forgive then you just agreed that bad people can be redeem...
I merely asked you that can you forgive
wind portal
They can be redeemed
But what's the point of PPL were hurt in past
What's the p...
Do you actually have any arguments or are oyu just going to keep repeating the same shit that's been argued against alrady
shadow marsh
Huh, now that I mentioned it — Who's irredeemable in lore?
high nova
Do you actually have any arguments or are oyu just going to keep repeating the s...
No i have concrete point
That no matter how good of a person can become
wind portal
Huh, now that I mentioned it — Who's irredeemable in lore?
probably the only 2 people irredeemable are Moira and Doomfist
wind portal
It will not change the past
it doesn't matter, people don't usually look to the past, they look to who the person is NOW.
high nova
And he can't be a good man as a whole
shadow marsh
Oh my god..
wind portal
who has he wronged
wind portal
No one.
high nova
His friend
And many more squads cuz he was cocky until his friends got killed
And he's supposed to be a commander
wind portal
His friend
Since when has he wronged Balderich? Balderich fully understood Reinhardt was going to charge recklessly
high nova
Gimme a break
Is charging recklessly suits a commander
A better man
He had
Whole squad
Responsibility
Yet he went for Glory
wind portal
That was just Reinhardt's personality. He was a thrill-seeker still is but mellowed out
high nova
Narcissistic desire
wind portal
Narcissistic desire
No need to be such a pessimisst my guy.
high nova
That was just Reinhardt's personality. He was a thrill-seeker *still is but mell...
Every warmonger is thrill seeker in some way
wind portal
Everyone does something wrong, I guess that means we can't be redeemed ever.
high nova
Yes we can't
wind portal
Yes we can't
You-
high nova
It is that simple
wind portal
You're literally the biggest pessimisst I've met my guy
high nova
No matter how much we tell ourselves that we've become better
We still did something wrong
wind portal
I'm not wasting any more time on someone who thinks that they're not redeemable in the slightest even if all they've done is stole one chip from a bag.
high nova
Nd we are just running away from it
high nova
I'm not wasting any more time on someone who thinks that they're not redeemable ...
Lmao no
rare trail
the entire point of honor and glory is that it was a major turning point with rein and how he thought about the world
wind portal
the entire point of honor and glory is that it was a major turning point with re...
I wouldn't bother, Silver is baiting and is wanting to debate.
high nova
Stealing is a bag of chip is eh reddemble if it's good chip
wind portal
I wouldn't give Silver anymore attention and just moev on
high nova
I wouldn't bother, Silver is baiting and is wanting to debate.
All i was saying.that Reinhardt isn't all virtuous good man
high nova
I wouldn't give Silver anymore attention and just moev on
Well you can't simply argue my point brother
People can be changed
Yes
But it doesn't change what they did in past
That's all I'm trying to say
Take it however you want
high nova
If they got someone killed then they have to carry this burdon
high nova
I'm not sure what more is there to say man
I don't really know myself.
It's just that people lecture on morality and things
But when it comes to themselves they backdown
stuck stump
is cassidy apart of talon
twilit patrol
No
rare trail
nah
he was a part of blackwatch and deadlock before overwatch
well blackwatch is overwatch but yk
before official overwatch
shadow marsh
Forced to join blackwatch
rare trail
yeah
shadow marsh
Was it forced?
rare trail
that or jail
high nova
ah good points were made today, im bit sad that i could not explain myself fully, but im glad there are people who are willing to argue over these matters. i am grateful really.
twilit patrol
ah good points were made today, im bit sad that i could not explain myself fully...
Yes we don't do that all the time
high nova
Yes we don't do that all the time
except some verbal abuse it was fine really
twilit patrol
Yeah there's some kids
high nova
Yeah there's some kids
ah i would not say that man can be immature too but i get your jesting😂
i mean who am i to say i also abused back
anyway back to overwatch
twilit patrol
i mean who am i to say i also abused back
I already did once
high nova
I already did once
hmm
eager summit
Really wish there was more lore on Oasis, first map not based on somewhere real and we don’t know a lot about it
fiery sinew
Narcissistic desire
he grew out of it tho
viscid flame
Ramattra literally signed with Talon unknowing they don't care about Omnics
Nothing says Rammatra is unaware of Talon's reputation and activities, their alliance is purely logistical
Doom wants a new global war so Humanity will be stronger, Rammatra wants a war so he can save his people before they succumb to extinction. Doom gives Ram resources, research, and other bits, and Ram creates the global war
If humanity beats Ram then humanity will have become stronger in Doom's eyes, if Ram beats humanity or gets his Omnic nation then that still fits his goals as humanity now has a rival which they can keep testing themselves against. None of the Talon characters we've seen besides Reaper and Widow hate omnics, and they both just hate or are apathetic to everything
worthy rose
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rare trail
and ram doesnt like mondotta
worthy rose
selling overwatch account check out my bio for the discord server
rare trail
theres even theories he helped in the assassination
high nova
he grew out of it tho
Ah brother I'd really talk with you on the topic, but I'm actually quite tired of this topic
Maybe tomorrow lol
young lily
In ow is it possible for a human concious to be transferred into an omnic
tepid sinew
Does Tracer age like a normal person?
zenith mango
yes
twilit patrol
In ow is it possible for a human concious to be transferred into an omnic
Maybe @peak escarp can answer. I'm really curious
peak escarp
no, it's not possible
twilit patrol
Huh
peak escarp
Does Tracer age like a normal person?
yes she does
zenith mango
hey i answered that
tepid sinew
yes she does
ok so im confused on the timeline then, tracer has the cadet oxton skin to go with the other og OW skins like ana's, mercy's, soldier's but for ana and soldier they are hella young in those skins yet tracer looks the same and mercy doesnt look like she aged much either?
zenith mango
ok so im confused on the timeline then, tracer has the cadet oxton skin to go wi...
tis a question for the allmighty
tepid sinew
tis a question for the allmighty
fr
peak escarp
Tracer joined Overwatch ~8 years ago
she has a uniform because all agents had a uniform
Soldier and Ana look young in theirs because theirs is from the omnic crisis ~30 years ago
Mercy's is also from ~8 years ago
tepid sinew
ah i see, i guess i kinda just thought all the uniforms were from the same time
peak escarp
and generally, women don't visibly age much between 29 and 37
golden oak
I don’t get one thing
Why does Soldier and Ana still look young here
peak escarp
because that art was made before the lore was written
they were just going for the feeling of "heroes"
and they only had Ana's younger design
so technically, that art isn't canon
golden oak
Oh
peak escarp
despite it being official art
golden oak
Also seeing Winston in a suit is pretty funny
peak escarp
if it was after the crisis, Winston, Tracer, Cassidy and Mercy wouldn't be there
vocal marsh
Could Overwatch members be split into 3 generations like:
1st Gen: Soldier, Ana, Reaper, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Sojourn
2nd Gen: Moira, Cassidy, Genji, Tracer, Mercy, Winston
3rd Gen: D.Va, Pharah, Zarya, Baptiste, Lucio, Bastion, Brigitte, Mei
I’m prob missing some but
zenith mango
is wibnton
peak escarp
pretty much
zenith mango
winton
peak escarp
Winston would be 2nd gen
vocal marsh
Sojourn would also be 2nd generation right?
twilit patrol
Hmm no
vocal marsh
What order did they all join Overwatch
Ik 1st Gen was all at the same time, barring Sojourn being last
And 3rd Gen I assume is in the order of the New Blood comics
Also assuming Mei was before New Blood
peak escarp
Founders: Reyes, Morrison, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Ana, Liao
Post-Crisis: Sojourn
20 years ago: Cassidy
15 years ago: Mercy
12 years ago: Genji
~10 years ago: Winston
7 years ago: Tracer
we don't know when Mei joined
peak escarp
Moira was recruited before Retribution, so about 8 years ago
peak escarp
she's probably 2nd gen
zenith mango
did cassidy want to be a member of ow
vocal marsh
1st Gen is late 50s and 60s?
peak escarp
yeah
zenith mango
did cassidy want to be a part of ow
peak escarp
they were in their 20s/30s during the crisis
vocal marsh
Originally or before New Blood
peak escarp
did cassidy want to be a part of ow
he was given the choice of Blackwatch or jail
he chose Blackwatch
zenith mango
wy didnt he leave later
vocal marsh
He spent a lot of time around Genji Liao Moira and Reyes I think
peak escarp
he would not join Talon
vocal marsh
Ashe wouldn’t either
peak escarp
he wants to do good
zenith mango
he wasnt very firm with doomfist in their interaction
vocal marsh
That was with Hanzo wasn’t it?
peak escarp
Cassidy has one too
zenith mango
are ashe's parents dead
peak escarp
no
vocal marsh
Maybe if the entire gang joins
peak escarp
she disowned them
vocal marsh
They just kinda ditched her
zenith mango
would she do anything to have her parents love her
peak escarp
she gave up on trying to get her parents approval, now she just wants revenge
vocal marsh
She seems more adamant on creating her own family with the deadlock gang
peak escarp
to punish them for abandoning her
vocal marsh
I still find it Funny her Name is Elizabeth
If she gets offered to join Talon with the entire Deadlock Gang do you think there’s a possibility?
It’d also further the Cassidy vs Ashe plot line
golden oak
Is kiriko gonna join overwatch soon?
twilit patrol
Is kiriko gonna join overwatch soon?
That's what I wish but I have doubts
golden oak
I know voice lines aren’t canon but there’s one where she says “look mom, I’m an overwatch agent” or something
When you have like overwatch members on your team
twilit patrol
Yeah that's just a VL in-game
vocal marsh
I think she said it as a joke
golden oak
A voice line in game teased moira release
I think it would make sense for her to join since she’s a vigilante too and overwatch could help her take down Hashimotos
hollow tinsel
What's that little thing under Ana's eye? Like the line? Is it a tattoo or something?
peak escarp
zenith mango
the ankh is the symbol of isis, who was the mother of horus
peak escarp
it's not an ankh
zenith mango
i think it is
zenith mango
darn it
quasi sparrow
An ankh is this
Oops
Did that work
Or is it linked to my friends dms
J tried to copy the message link
Oh it was that
Damn
What did I do
Yes i delete dot
peak escarp
yes I know what an ankh is
hollow tinsel
it's a wedjat, or Eye of Horus
Oh ok. But what she just tattooed it on?
peak escarp
yes
hollow tinsel
Oh
high nova
Hey gamers
worthy rose
Hey
ripe wren
i was checking in the files and i found some evidence that implies that rammatra used to be a barista? idk if its true or not
errant shard
peak escarp
incorrect
limpid agate
i was checking in the files and i found some evidence that implies that rammatra...
Do you mean Zenyatta?
He has a bunch of random answers for what he used to be before he became a monk
ripe wren
i think it's rammatra!
ripe wren
He has a bunch of random answers for what he used to be before he became a monk
interesting!
limpid agate
None of them are true, presumably
desert yacht
If she gets offered to join Talon with the entire Deadlock Gang do you think the...
doubt it she seems like the type who wants to be in charge instead of someone's underling or puppet
ripe wren
None of them are true, presumably
no it was definitely rammatra
limpid agate
The line is definitely Zenyatta
ripe wren
The line is definitely Zenyatta
yeah no it wasnt a voice line it was a png
limpid agate
Possible outcomes are:
- I collected payments at a laser tag arena.
- I was a lifeguard at a water park.
- I served coffee.
- I drove a tractor.
- I massaged sheep on a free-range pasture.
limpid agate
yeah no it wasnt a voice line it was a png
Link?
limpid agate
Then delete it...
ripe wren
Then delete it...
it's okay the cat can't hurt you :)
here!
@limpid agate i got the proof here
limpid agate
Yeah... He didnt used to be a barista.
ripe wren
Yeah... He didnt used to be a barista.
why? i thought the image was pretty incriminating
ripe wren
Yeah... He didnt used to be a barista.
wait nvm im not arguing with you you've been on the overwatch server since before the trump administration 💀 boss up lil bro have a nice day
peak escarp
that image has nothing to do with lore
ripe wren
that image has nothing to do with lore
i'm pretty sure rammatra being a barista is important to his lore but since we're talking the 650 hours you wasted playing cassidy could have been used to make (at the very least) 3347 dollars and 50 cents. get your money up not your funny up. have a nice day bro hope your life is full of light and joy
peak escarp
...what
ripe wren
i said what i said big dawg 🙏 have a good one
peak escarp
!!shitposting @ripe wren
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ivory garnet
blud thinks u cant have a job and play a game at the same time😭😭
ripe wren
blud thinks u cant have a job and play a game at the same time😭😭
i love hatsune miku too thats cool
peak escarp
if I worked 650 hours rather than playing Cassidy, I'd make a lot more than $3347.50
ripe wren
cool 👍
vocal zinc
So what would happen if Zarya met the Heavy?
winged compass
So what would happen if Zarya met the Heavy?
They would speak Russian or sum ig
sacred hinge
Ramattra is the leader of Null Sector, right
merry token
Ramattra is the leader of Null Sector, right
Yes
sacred hinge
And he wants peace for his people, right
merry token
And he wants peace for his people, right
He wants omnic rights, but his methods include violence
sacred hinge
Yeah, so
Why doesn't he just threaten overwatch with some huge bioterrorism bomb that'll eradicate humans but preserve omnics, and just say like "hey stop killing my dudes or boom time" or something like that
Like considering his military power, I'm sure he has the capacity to take over the world if he really wanted to. He doesn't really need Doomfist's guidance
worthy rose
Because humans have nuclear weapon capabilities
Its very easy to defeat omnics
But overwatch civilians are simply weak
in real life things would go differently
No theyre not smart enough
Not as intelligent as me
Or u
ez W
limpid agate
No theyre not smart enough
Do not spread misinformation.
peak escarp
using nuclear weapons isn't an option
peak escarp
Why doesn't he just threaten overwatch with some huge bioterrorism bomb that'll ...
because Ramattra doesn't want to kill all humans
sacred hinge
True
peak escarp
doesn't seem like the type to bluff
sacred hinge
Of course not
But still, I feel like he has a bit more authority than Mondatta did when he was alive, so if he wanted to get the rights for omnics, he could just resort to diplomacy. After all, i don't think anybody from Overwatch really doubts his sincerity or wants to mess with him directly (except maybe Winston or Soldier)
peak escarp
Ramattra doesn't have any authority
he's the leader of a terrorist group
not a diplomat
sacred hinge
Could be though, he seems distinguished enough
A very extremist and terroristic diplomat, at that
peak escarp
but he's not the leader of a nation or a religious group
so there's no reason for anyone to negotiate with him
he speaks for omnics, but most omnics don't even side with him
sacred hinge
So he's delusional
peak escarp
kinda
sacred hinge
Still, I feel like one way or another he's gonna be a major key in the lore when it comes to omnics
He might get what he wants or he might possibly just end up ruining everything for everyone
past copper
He's started another war barely 10 years after a similar war just ended
In a majority of the world
While people were still trying to live side by side with omnics again
Of course he's going to ruin everything fir everyone
His actions are gonna set years worth of human and omnic equality relations back for years
worthy rose
is there any ramattra lore apart from: hes racist
twilit patrol
He isn’t racist
worthy rose
Ramattra is literally a pickme robot
He doesn't want peace for shit if he's pulling those type of stunts
limpid agate
A what
silk frost
what’s the project morrison is referring to in the legacy comic?
merry token
A what
A pick me is someone who pedestals themself by demeaning other people and showing how different they are from those other people
wind portal
Yeah he doesn't really do that
he treats almost all omnics equally
even if his methods are very not good
merry token
Not quite sure the other person called ram a pick me 😭
golden oak
i was checking in the files and i found some evidence that implies that rammatra...
R-7000 model (which is ramattra model) were soldier omnics afaik
modest mango
Ram is more a redditor who thinks they would have solved the problems of history
merry token
R-7000 model (which is ramattra model) were soldier omnics afaik
Think they were just shitposting
shadow marsh
Afaik the ravagers were created during the crisis. Since civilian omnics are first to be created, does that mean Zen is older than Ram?
patent thunder
why the fuck is the OW logo with the lgbtq flag in it?
hollow tinsel
why the fuck is the OW logo with the lgbtq flag in it?
Cuz it's pride month??
worthy rose
Cuz it's pride month??
lmao
twilit patrol
why the fuck is the OW logo with the lgbtq flag in it?
Pride month
I don’t see the problem ?
golden oak
What are gwishin
shadow marsh
An omnic faction still actively attacks a small part of humanity — specifically south korea. It's been stated their omnium is under the sea.
molten ferry
That could play a part in some of it, but it’s mostly due to the Omnic Crisis that happened in the past
twilit patrol
They don't hate any of them
It's mainly units like Ramattra that were hated (the ravagers)
I'm not a lore nerd then maybe I'm wrong
twilit patrol
Is it just cause they are robots
Some people are treated omnics like a sh.. because they're robots I think yes
But we don't know why exactly
shadow marsh
It's mainly units like Ramattra that were hated (the ravagers)
In King's Row even the civilian omnics are hated
And killed
twilit patrol
By the Null Sector or humans ?
hollow tinsel
By humans I think, there's some graffitis that says like "meant to serve" next to drawings of omnics
honest spear
!!is Lucio dead in lore?
twilit nacelleBOT
Outlook good.
peak escarp
no
elfin fiber
Is ramattra a villain? He's considered evil or just trying to have peace at any cost
twilit patrol
Is ramattra a villain? He's considered evil or just trying to have peace at any ...
I would say ''antagonist''
elfin fiber
And who's the protagonist?
twilit patrol
But I have the feeling that they want Ramattra to be as evil as Aatrox (LoL)
''Suffer as I have'' is so familiar
elfin fiber
But I have the feeling that they want Ramattra to be as evil as Aatrox (LoL)
I haven't played LoL.. Yet
twilit patrol
I haven't played LoL.. Yet
You cannot understand then
elfin fiber
I think so
fleet isle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTOhItq5Xow Overwatch song
twilit patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTOhItq5Xow Overwatch song
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
hollow tinsel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTOhItq5Xow Overwatch song
This ain't an Overwatch song 😂
astral acorn
golden oak
Did mercy ever use her pistol in the lore?
wind portal
But I have the feeling that they want Ramattra to be as evil as Aatrox (LoL)
That won't happen lol, as someone who's a LoL lore fanatic, Aatrox might honestly just be one of the most evil people in that lore, Ram couldn't match up in terms of what Aatrox has done so far atleast
what Ram does is tame compared to what Aatrox does
but they both share the same VA so comparing Ram to Aatrox gets a pass
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