But they just dont have the mass
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
peak escarp
but their devices dont relate to their strength
limpid agate
And Tracer's is a weapon I assumed would be excluded
And even if it isnt, its just agility
ivory garnet
yeah, thats why I said nvm
peak escarp
the only heroes I can think of with gear that affects their strength are Doomfist (the gauntlet) and Mercy (the Valkyrie suit)
ivory garnet
I was gonna say Reinhardt’s too, but idk, its more of durability
ivory garnet
except those 2 are mostly durability suits/agility suits
limpid agate
Any mech suit fits that descriptor
Reinhardt's armor absolutely contributes to strength
Its got jets on it
I suppose Sojourn could use her jets for similar, but I dont think she has them in her arms
Does she?
ivory garnet
no
peak escarp
just her legs
limpid agate
Yeah
ivory garnet
she has an emote that inspects her gear, she doesnt open her elbows or anything
just her wrist and calves
if y’all ever do a durability tier thingy, just make sure Orisa has her own tier lol
definition of an Immovable Object
peak escarp
Reaper would be in his own tier too
ivory garnet
yeah, it just seems he isnt greatly affected by physical attacks
peak escarp
he can regenerate from almost anything it seems
but he has to actively do it - it's not automatic
wind portal
yeah, it just seems he isnt *greatly* affected by physical attacks
he seemed moderately damaged by a large omnic during the sombra trailer
ivory garnet
iirc, there is a voiceline saying Reaper has reached his peak with his powers, so i dont know if he can make it automatic at some point
peak escarp
and it's not instant
ivory garnet
he seemed moderately damaged by a large omnic during the sombra trailer
yeah but he walks it off at the end
he was probably just stunned
limpid agate
he seemed moderately damaged by a large omnic during the sombra trailer
That was a mech
Not an omnic
wind portal
mb, it would've been worse if it were an omnic
wind portal
Kiriko and Zarya are probably the only 2 that can do it though
limpid agate
Oh hum... I guess civilian omnics are just not stronger than humans universally then
ivory garnet
Kiriko and Zarya are probably the only 2 that can do it though
Doomfist can, we know he can
besides Orisa
wind portal
Doomfist is augmented by his gauntlet so that's not a fair comparison lol
tulip dome
i feel like rein is gonna die in the lore
wind portal
allthough his natural strength is insane for sure
wind portal
i feel like rein is gonna die in the lore
they won't kill off any main characters
tulip dome
they won't kill off any main characters
just in the lore
ivory garnet
none of the characters are goingto die, its highly unlikely
peak escarp
Kiriko was probably able to overpower the omnic due to the element of surprise
tulip dome
i mean when the pve thing releases and the cinematics come out
wind portal
the most we'll probably get is rammattra being captured by overwatch
ivory garnet
only characters I could see dying in lore, is Maximillien or however u spell it
tulip dome
there allready leaks of doom fighting sm1 from what it looks like
ivory garnet
most leaks arent real
ivory garnet
if ur talking about the horrible dialogue sequences that someone made with a Talon meeting and Doomfist vs Orisa
those arent real
runic halo
she has a crush?!! with one of the heroes? why dont we have voice lines of this smh its a missed opportunity
limpid agate
Brig, Sojourn, and Mercy had voicelines teasing that they have people they are either in a relationship with or interested in
We don't know anything beyond that
They could be new NPCs
ivory garnet
I’d reckon we’d be getting a Mercy x Someone soon in canon
cuz of the new Bap voiceline
wind portal
It's Genji.
tulip dome
i thought bap was gey w weaver
ivory garnet
not directly
they just flirted with eachother
and Bap is flirtatious with everyone
wind portal
I think that was teasing more-so than anything confirmed
runic halo
yeah i didnt catch any flirting vibes from the voicelines
i thought she was fangirling at best
limpid agate
People used similar lines to say there was soemthing between Jack and Ana
Jack ended up being gay
ivory garnet
and Reinhardt x Ana
limpid agate
Yeah
ivory garnet
still find it weird that Ana has a spray of Jack and his ex-Boyfriend
limpid agate
What
ivory garnet
Ana has an in game spray of Jack and his Ex Boyfriend iirc
limpid agate
Oh did they just blanket give all the Bastet sprays to Ana
ivory garnet
yeah
peak escarp
a lot of voice lines are frustratingly vague
tulip dome
yeah especially when soldier keeps mentioning what he did in past places and how they should try something out like when they did.... so on and so on
peak escarp
how about the one where he yells at Genji for not stopping Blackwatch... Jack you were in a position of authority Genji was a human weapon, if you couldn't stop them what makes you think he could?
ivory garnet
he does everything but taking in part of the blame
the 2 at fault are the same 2 ppl who fought in Switzerland, Jack and Reyes
and Moira ig?
peak escarp
Jack needs to look in the mirror once and a while
he's like the opposite of Hanzo
blames everyone but himself
ivory garnet
he’s also a piece of shit
told a guy who has inner battles with himself, that its his fault for not stopping Reyes
he doesnt blame Cassidy though right? Its just that hanamura voice line
peak escarp
yeah
zenith mango
doom without his guantlet is still INSANE
he literally punchd thru a wall out of prison
peak escarp
that's the power of cybernetics
zenith mango
hes strong regarless
long canopy
💵
long canopy
how about the one where he yells at Genji for not stopping Blackwatch... Jack yo...
Squid games
peak escarp
what
long canopy
what
upbeat violet
how powerful is hanzo compared to the rest of the ow cast
peak escarp
kinda average
he's a trained ninja/assassin
it's hard to factor in his dragons because we don't know what they can do besides as an attack
idle finch
skill sure but power/strength probably not
peak escarp
Genji would be stronger due to being a cyborg
idle finch
^
idle finch
no I don’t think so
peak escarp
she would probably have basic firearms/military training
since she would need to defend herself in the field
analog niche
Who is the least powerful character in lore?
limpid agate
Mei or Lifeweaver
dapper summit
Is doom strongest in the lore?
idle finch
depends
rare trail
Is doom strongest in the lore?
no
sigma winston sym and orisa are the strongest
winston and orisa have both beaten doomfist
dense nebula
Is doom strongest in the lore?
5th strongest
He gets beat out by Winston and Orisa
And then Sigma and Symmetra have the potential to be the strongest characters lore wise
fading rampart
Sigma def #1, bro is omnipotent
wet cradle
the sym vishkar lore is pretty cool
ivory garnet
Sigma def #1, bro is omnipotent
he definitely is not omni potent
slender olive
did moira begin experimenting on gabriel before or after the switzerland hq blew up?
ivory garnet
before
rain shoal
i think she began experimenting on him even before the Venice incident but after the Switzerland HQ incident she injected him with an amplified version of that substance to save him
ivory garnet
correct
quiet rune
she would probably have basic firearms/military training
- she has a basic firearm and is not American
grand wedge
The money is clearly the strongest power in the Overwatch universe
analog niche
It goes for our universe, it makes sense
Actually, that feels funny that wealth or money does not feel it plays much significance in overwatch outside of mainly Maximilian
worthy rose
The strongest is Winston and Orisa
rare trail
sym and sigma are also strong
worthy rose
he survives explosions many times, daily
Winston has done so too
analog niche
Why doesn’t mercy just resurrect dead overwatch agents in the field, every 30 seconds?
Is she stupid?
fresh rock
Because that's an ability in the game, not the actual lore.
twilit patrol
Because that’s not canon
sturdy walrus
Sigma is absurdly above the entire ow roster in terms of raw power
Shit, even if he didn't have his gravity powers he's still an absolute brick wall of a man who could easily toss most dps characters around with his bare hands
rare trail
No
gravity powers are undefined in strength
he probably isnt that strong on his own(like in just a fist fight)
hes just a scientist without his powers
sturdy walrus
hes just a scientist without his powers
Bro is 8'1 (2.46m!!!) and built like a top tier bodybuilder
sturdy walrus
You could probably fit a whole soldier 76 between his shoulders
rare trail
no?
also his armor makes him look a lot bigger than he is
and either way being tall doesnt make you strong
also where are you getting 8'1 from
sturdy walrus
also where are you getting 8'1 from
There isn't an official source but it's around thar number
He is confirmed as the tallest hero in overwatch
rare trail
if there isnt an official source then it cant be confirmed
why do you think hes the tallest
in game he floats which isnt a fair comparison and regardless being tall doesnt make you strong
rare trail
when did jeff say that
sturdy walrus
Pure fucking muscle
rare trail
beach skin isnt canon
sturdy walrus
Still shows his physique tho
rare trail
looking strong is different than being strong
and i dont think he looks that strong there
like yea hes in shape
but hes not stronger than rein or anything
sturdy walrus
I will die on this hill because i am 100% correct
Sigma is a hulking mountain of meat and could toss any dps around like a ragdoll
rare trail
no
sturdy walrus
I never said he's stronger than rein
Rein would beat the shit out of him in a brawl
rare trail
also sigma has no fighting experience
he would probably lose to most dps in a fist fight because most are way more experienced than him
sturdy walrus
Bro could slap you and you'd get some air time
rare trail
you're just guessing that
sturdy walrus
Weight is the decuding factor in most fights
rare trail
not having any combat experience would be a deciding factor
rare trail
sigma doesnt have any of that
sturdy walrus
Weight makes a massive difference and such a difference like sigma and an average dps would be unimaginable
rare trail
how much do you think sigma weighs?
sturdy walrus
At least around 2 average dps heros
rare trail
thats not a weight
sigma without gravity is pretty weak he would just be a guy whos in shape
sturdy walrus
Bro has a foot over shaq bro!!!!!
sturdy walrus
People have measured it and even if i'm just going off the fact that he's taller than rein (7'4) he'd still be massive
rare trail
"people"
in game measurements shouldnt be taken as canon
and he is literally floating in game
sturdy walrus
They can measure his in game model?
And even then like i said he's at least taller than 7'4 according to JEFF
sturdy walrus
He said it during a seagull stream i think
rare trail
do you have a link to the stream?
sturdy walrus
No
rare trail
and regardless even if he was the tallest he still has no fighting experience and is 62
hes just a regular human without the gravity powers
sturdy walrus
He has a much bigger mass than almost every other hero
And he's a beefcake
Which means he would toss them around
Mass is king in fights
rare trail
having fighting experience matters
sturdy walrus
hes just a regular human without the gravity powers
When was the last time you saw a man who's taller than 7'4 and and has the shoulder width of an olympian god
sturdy walrus
he isnt that tall
Why are you arguing he literally is
He's confirmed taller than rein
sturdy walrus
Bro this isn't the bible
Bro is a massive meat wall and you only need a single eye to see that
rare trail
being tall doesnt make you good at fighting
especially when compared to literal super soldiers
sigma couldnt beat any dps without his powers
or anyone at all
besides for like maybe zen
sturdy walrus
Broooooo
You are tripping balls
Anybody who knows anything about fighting would tell you otherwise
rare trail
he gets easily killed by anyone with any sort of range
sturdy walrus
Of course he would lose if they have their kit and he has nothing
rare trail
yeah
sturdy walrus
I'm talking about a fist fight
rare trail
without his gravity powers hes very weak
sturdy walrus
No
He is weaker than a gun tho
upbeat violet
I'm talking about a fist fight
most characters have cybernetics
rare trail
in a fist fight he still loses to bastion cass doom echo genji hanzo jq kiriko lucio moira orisa ramattra reaper rein hog sojourn soldier winston and zarya
upbeat violet
does he lose to moira?
sturdy walrus
TO CASS??????????
rare trail
moira has fade
upbeat violet
I can’t recall her having fighting experience
rare trail
cass has robot arm
rare trail
I can’t recall her having fighting experience
retribution
sturdy walrus
We are talking about no powers fight
rare trail
also cass is an excellent strategist along with having his strong prosthetic
so just like not the character
sturdy walrus
Even then her fade means shit if she can't punch him
upbeat violet
sigma is also 62
rare trail
We are talking about no powers fight
what counts as a power?
sturdy walrus
Of course a full powered full kit hero would win against a man with no powers no matter how big
rare trail
not a full power kit
sturdy walrus
You said moira can fade
rare trail
full lore power vs no gravity power sigma everyone wins against sigma
im just taking away their guns and shit
if you're saying like just no abilities at all do doomfist and genji and sojourn have limbs?
like are you just writing fanfiction of what if the characters werent the characters?
like is tracer just lost in time?
upbeat violet
I think they just mean genetical enhancements and weaponry
sturdy walrus
Without weapons, the people on your list who would get their ass handed to them: cass, maybe hanzo, kiriko, lucio, moira, maybe reaper, soldier
upbeat violet
which honestly is unfair
rare trail
Without weapons, the people on your list who would get their ass handed to them:...
cass is an excellent strategist and has a robot arm
upbeat violet
Without weapons, the people on your list who would get their ass handed to them:...
why is soldier there
sturdy walrus
He could win if he gets sigma down fast but sigma has a significant mass advantage
rare trail
sigma is an old man with no fighting experiene
sturdy walrus
Reaper has a much better chance since technically he can't die
sturdy walrus
sigma is an old man with no fighting experiene
MASS
rare trail
reaper can die
upbeat violet
mass doesn’t matter if you have light years of combat experience ahead of your opponent
sturdy walrus
You are massively wrong
upbeat violet
for all we know sigma could throw a punch and fall face first
rare trail
people with more combat experience than sigma
literally everyone besides like zen
sturdy walrus
Mass is way more important than experience
upbeat violet
you’re just lying now
rare trail
an old man with no combat experience wouldnt beat a super soldier
sturdy walrus
It is what it is
Why do you think martial arts have very strict weight classes
Even a slight weight advantage could let a rookie beat a pro
upbeat violet
no?
sturdy walrus
an old man with no combat experience wouldnt beat a super soldier
Sure, depends on how powerful the super soldier program made him
upbeat violet
if the rookie manages to beat a pro then maybe the pro isn’t really a pro
sturdy walrus
He has a good chance to bear sigma if he can down him quickly
upbeat violet
why are you talking as if sigma is at the epitome of his physical capabilities
he’s 62 and knows absolutely nothing about fighting
sturdy walrus
if the rookie manages to beat a pro then maybe the pro isn’t really a pro
No he just has a huge disadvantage because mass means more than skill
upbeat violet
depending on their technique they can easily defeat them
sturdy walrus
he’s 62 and knows absolutely nothing about fighting
He is taller than rein and ripped af
He could flail his arms around or just hold his opponent's head from afar and that's it
upbeat violet
and sigma being old + having so much mass (presumably) he’d get tired super quickly
rare trail
you are just guessing that hes taller than rein
sturdy walrus
He doesn't need to do much at that weight and height
upbeat violet
He is taller than rein and ripped af
He could flail his arms around or just hold...
how do you know he’s taller than rein? I don’t remember seeing that anywhere
rare trail
there is no official source that says sigma is taller than rein
sturdy walrus
Not only is his model bigger but jeff said so
I think it's in this stream not sure tho
upbeat violet
also, I assume soldier has definitely taken down opponents of sigmas size
he’s fought robots im sure he can take an inexperienced 62 year old man
sturdy walrus
Sure, you know what, i'll give it to soldier if he keeps his super powers
Just because we have no clue how busted he is in terms of strength
rare trail
https://youtu.be/pDzfxJmfCoc
when in this video does jeff say hes taller than rein?
sturdy walrus
Idk look at it yourself
sturdy walrus
I don't wanna spend 20 mins watcing that vid just to prove something you can see by simply looking at sigma
upbeat violet
no?
I can’t make the mathematics for someone’s weight and height by looking at their model
rare trail
like looking at a model in game where he is literally floating isnt a valid source for the height of a character
upbeat violet
^
sturdy walrus
You can get a good estimation tho
And jeff said that he's taller even if i won't go thru the whole stream to find it
rare trail
so you just have no source
sturdy walrus
like looking at a model in game where he is literally floating isnt a valid sour...
I swear to god i'll bring his model to blender and measure the exact difference between him and rein
rare trail
jeff said so source trust me
upbeat violet
no I can’t
sturdy walrus
I will be petty
upbeat violet
Ana is like 6 foot but you don’t get that from her game model
rare trail
I swear to god i'll bring his model to blender and measure the exact difference ...
model in game isnt a valid source for height
sturdy walrus
HOW?????? WE ARE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT THE VIDEO GAME OVERWATCH
upbeat violet
yes
rare trail
abilities in game arent canon either
upbeat violet
their height is relative to their hitbox
rare trail
like mercy resurrect is in game that doesnt make it canon
lilac anchor
model in game isnt a valid source for height
So you’re telling me that Torb can be taller than Moira because their game models aren’t reliable?
lilac anchor
But blender can be used cuz you can see how tall sigma is if you remove the floating distance of his feet to the ground compared to rein
rare trail
in game models arent reliable
upbeat violet
yes but there’s nothing confirming that he’s actually that height
lilac anchor
You can tell by eyesight
upbeat violet
no you can’t
lilac anchor
Why do you need official sources to use a human sense
rare trail
because in game models arent reliable
upbeat violet
being a master mathematician is definitely a basic human sense
lilac anchor
You need to be a master mathematician to calculate a persons height?
You must be in middle school
sturdy walrus
Bro is really saying that the overwatch game isn't canon in the overwatch game
upbeat violet
this is lore discussion
lilac anchor
My thoughts bro
rare trail
Bro is really saying that the overwatch game isn't canon in the overwatch game
it isnt
resurrect
many abilities in game arent canon
lucio heal and speed
zenyatta ult
lilac anchor
Those are abilities no size or height
rare trail
in game doesnt mean something is canon
lilac anchor
Nah you’re right, lore based off the game is completely irrelevant to the game
sturdy walrus
Bro even disregarding everything since apparently overwatch lore needs to be scientifically researched by a team of experts.....
Sigma is still absolutely fucking massive. Can't deny it.
rare trail
in game doesnt make something canon
there are many things in game that arent canon
sigma is pretty big
lilac anchor
The lore of OW is basically the new Velma show
rare trail
?????
lilac anchor
It just disregards everything it was based off and makes it new
rare trail
you dont know that
sturdy walrus
I do
rare trail
guessing random things yet again
rare trail
It just disregards everything it was based off and makes it new
velma might do that but not ow lore
some things in game are canon but being in the game doesnt make something canon
sturdy walrus
Bro is built like a fire truck and that's simply undeniable
sturdy walrus
There isn't even a need for precise estimation
viscid flame
If you take the Scuba skin as canon
Sigma is bloody BUILT
rare trail
hes in shape yea
sturdy walrus
It's like saying that i'm guessing that tracer isn't a bodybuilder because it was never denied in the official lore
Common sense and logical thinking
sturdy walrus
Not everything needs to have exact lore confirmation
rare trail
height does
sturdy walrus
no one is saying that
But according to lore she might be a bodybuilder no? Because it was never said that she isn't?
rare trail
you cant make a specific claim about height like "sigma is taller than rein" with no basis
rare trail
But according to lore she might be a bodybuilder no? Because it was never said t...
no????
no one is saying that tracer could be a bodybuilder
she isnt
nothing shows that
sturdy walrus
Well you have no proof
viscid flame
sturdy walrus
See it's the same argument
rare trail
Well you have no proof
what are you talking about???
sturdy walrus
Of course she isn't a bodybuilder she's a twink
rare trail
?????
sturdy walrus
It's common sense even tho there is no concrete proof for it in lore
rare trail
isnt twink a term that refers to gay men????
viscid flame
I love this discussion the amount of topics that keep getting introduced
sturdy walrus
Gotta keep it fresh
rare trail
Twink means tiny and thin basically and that's why i used that term
no idea where you're getting that from
sturdy walrus
It says slim and that's how it's usually used nowadays but if you want i can just say small and thin instead
Idk why you're focusing on that
rare trail
twink doesnt refer to women
rare trail
tracer isnt a bodybuilder because nothing in her lore suggests that
rare trail
also in canon material like her origin she isnt shown to be a bodybuilder
analog niche
The track and field stuff for her confirms that
sturdy walrus
Bro why are we focusing on the word twink
analog niche
The closest character to a Twink is probably Genji
atomic geyser
Is junkrat canonically a twink? 🤔
sturdy walrus
I used it as an intentionally absurd word because the overall meaning was the same and it was funnier
rare trail
it was confusing
sturdy walrus
That's besides the point tho
analog niche
It was incorrect
rare trail
using a word incorrectly muddles the meaning of your sentence
sturdy walrus
Tracer is basically a twink tho
rare trail
no?
analog niche
No
rare trail
she isnt a gay man
sturdy walrus
Yes.
analog niche
She has a runner slim build
analog niche
Did she actually? I thought that was just for summer games and she fit perfectly
rare trail
i thought she did
sturdy walrus
She has a runner slim build
Aka twink
sturdy walrus
Tracer is a massive twink but why did we get here
sturdy walrus
The focus should be on sigma
Who would bench press every hero on the dps roster
sturdy walrus
No
He IS big
If i can fit sombra's model between his shoulders will you admit defeat lmao
rare trail
no????
sturdy walrus
That's actually an interesting bet
I do wonder if she fits
I'm doing it
It's true and you know it
upbeat violet
😟
sturdy walrus
Sure they can
upbeat violet
what has become of the debate
sturdy walrus
Ain't nothin stopping them
upbeat violet
their gender??
upbeat violet
If i can fit sombra's model between his shoulders will you admit defeat lmao
how is this reliable information
sturdy walrus
JESUS CHRIST IT ISN'T
THIS IS A GOD DAMN GAME ABOUT WACKY CHARACTERS FIGHTING OVER A SILLY ROBOT
upbeat violet
no it’s not
sturdy walrus
Proving that sombra fits between his shoulder would just be an ultimate prpof of his giga beefcake physique
upbeat violet
sturdy walrus
Asking straight from the source proof for every detail makes lore discussions impossible and i'm just acting absurdly at this point because i see that there's no use to actuall trying
rare trail
me when someone asks for a source to my claims
if your claims dont have a source then like get better claims
upbeat violet
Asking straight from the source proof for every detail makes lore discussions im...
no one’s asking for proof of every detail
sturdy walrus
Some claims don't need hard proof
upbeat violet
I can only recall proof for sigmas height and the statement of him being taller than rein
which makes sense
rare trail
Some claims don't need hard proof
height claims do
sturdy walrus
And i even provided video proof even tho i was too lazy to find the exact timestamp in the vid
rare trail
you didnt provide proof
upbeat violet
I’m not going through an entire video just to prove a miserable point
that’s your job
you introduced the proof
rare trail
yeah
sturdy walrus
My statement was that sigma is an absolute beefcake and would toss most dps heroes around even if he was without grav powers
rare trail
the burden of proof is not on us
sturdy walrus
Him being 7'5 or 8'1 is not such a big deal here
rare trail
My statement was that sigma is an absolute beefcake and would toss most dps hero...
the statement the video was about was him being taller than rein
sturdy walrus
He's massive and that's it
upbeat violet
yes it is
rare trail
Him being 7'5 or 8'1 is not such a big deal here
you've spent a long time arguing about his height for something thats not a "big deal"
sturdy walrus
the statement the video was about was him being taller than rein
And him being taller than rein and pretty buff means that he has a lot of mass which means he can ragdoll normal sizes people
upbeat violet
what you should’ve done from the beginning
instead of dragging out the argument for enough time the word twink was debated on
rare trail
"1 foot taller than reinhardt because of floating"
11:19
so not proof hes taller than rein
shadow marsh
Whats happening
rare trail
someone thinks that sigma would be good in a fistfight despite no combat experience and being 62
sturdy walrus
And having like 4 times the mass of an average man
rare trail
you're jsut guessing that
sturdy walrus
Sure
I don't know his exact measurements
But it doesn't really matter because they are much bigger than a normal person's
rare trail
you shouldnt make claims like 4 times the mass of the average person when you have no idea about its validity
sturdy walrus
I'm exaggerating but the point remains
rare trail
if the average guy is 150 pounds there is no way sigma is 600 pounds
sturdy walrus
This isn't a hard science this is overwatch
rare trail
dont just lie
upbeat violet
if he’s 4 times the mass of an average person without exercising and 62 years old I doubt he can last long in battle
rare trail
he might exercise
upbeat violet
This isn't a hard science this is overwatch
interesting claim when overwatch is literally based on science
rare trail
we dont really know what talon looks like for him
upbeat violet
at least most of it
any character coming from Japan is questionable when it comes to science
upbeat violet
we dont really know what talon looks like for him
true
I still doubt he can last long
sturdy walrus
interesting claim when overwatch is literally based on science
?????????
I love my scientific fox spirits
upbeat violet
I referenced that
Most other characters are based around things that could potentially be possible with science
rare trail
I love my scientific fox spirits
they literally said "at least most of it" directly after
sturdy walrus
Or the piss that heals people
rare trail
?
sturdy walrus
Or the vape that heals and protects
rare trail
its kinda canon
upbeat violet
I’m not entirely sure what you’re talking about
rare trail
doesnt do what it does in game though
rare trail
Or the vape that heals and protects
hogs thing is what i think this is referencing
sturdy walrus
Or the magnetic gauntlet who needs no power generator and can target specific objects
upbeat violet
who?
sturdy walrus
Or the pink black hole that only sucks people into its perimiter
rare trail
its not a black hole
upbeat violet
hogs thing is what i think this is referencing
oh
sturdy walrus
Or the gauntlet that can destroy a building and moves its user at speeds that would immediately kill any living being
rare trail
Or the gauntlet that can destroy a building and moves its user at speeds that wo...
????
what are you talking about
sturdy walrus
Overwatch is full of bs
upbeat violet
Or the gauntlet that can destroy a building and moves its user at speeds that wo...
yes a normal living being
sturdy walrus
Doom gauntlet
rare trail
dooms gauntlet has never been shown to take down a building
sturdy walrus
yes a normal living being
No, any living being
upbeat violet
this people are genetically and cybernetically enhanced
rare trail
a child said a thing one time in a short isnt evidence of it being able to take down a building
sturdy walrus
It could tear metal apart at those speed i'm pretty sure, doom's brain and organs ain't got shit on that
upbeat violet
doom has cybernetics
rare trail
yeah
sturdy walrus
But he's not a robot
rare trail
a lot of him is
sturdy walrus
At the very least he has a brain
upbeat violet
but his endurance imitates one
rare trail
yeah
sturdy walrus
Which would become soup
upbeat violet
no
sturdy walrus
Because of physics
sturdy walrus
Yeah
rare trail
why do you think the gauntlet would be so damaging
dense nebula
doom has cybernetics
He has a cybernetic arm, the rest are just implants
rare trail
how fast do you think hes moving???
upbeat violet
He has a cybernetic arm, the rest are just implants
which can still help him endure the presumed speed he goes at
I’m not sure what your point is
sturdy walrus
The speed itself is not the problem
rare trail
The acceleration and deceleration
how fast do you think hes accelerating and decelerating
sturdy walrus
which can still help him endure the presumed speed he goes at
His brain and organs would simply become mush from the sudden acceleration and deceleration
sturdy walrus
how fast do you think hes accelerating and decelerating
Very?
rare trail
His brain and organs would simply become mush from the sudden acceleration and d...
what canon material shows him accelerating and decelerating at an unrealistic speed
dense nebula
Well considering he isn’t breaking the sound barrier, he’s going below mach speed
sturdy walrus
Well considering he isn’t breaking the sound barrier, he’s going below mach spee...
The speed itself doesn't really matter
rare trail
The speed itself doesn't really matter
yes it does
sturdy walrus
It's the fact that he reaches that speed and then stops in a tiny amount of time
dense nebula
Who here knows the roller coaster Dododonpa?
rare trail
going from 5 mph to none matters a lot less than 100 to 0
upbeat violet
what makes you think he isn’t prepared for the acceleration and de acceleration
sturdy walrus
Stop taking everything i'm saying so literally
upbeat violet
he has some of the best scientists in the world in talon
sturdy walrus
Of course the overall speed matters but we know he's going fast
So the actual speed doesn't really matter
dense nebula
The roller coaster Dododonpa accelerates to 112 mph from 0 in 1.56 seconds
And people are fine on that ride
So use that as a reference
Damn chat died
Tldr; Doom punch is not as accelerating as a roller coaster and he could survive the initial launch and stop, possibly
dense nebula
How far does it go in game anyways?
dense nebula
That’s less speed
And more force of the punch
Force being mass x acceleration
To break concrete that seems to be 2500-3000 newtons
sturdy walrus
The thing is that doomfist's punch is a jerk motion which would increase the lethality severely
And also his deceleration is really quick which would crush his organs i think
dense nebula
The thing is that doomfist's punch is a jerk motion which would increase the let...
The deceleration depends on whether he hits something or not
vocal marsh
To break concrete that seems to be 2500-3000 newtons
Would that kill someone?
Especially with the spikes on the gauntlet
sturdy walrus
Well that depends on if you're going by in game or not
Because in game he stops moving incredibly quickly
vocal marsh
In lore
dense nebula
You’d have to figure out how many newtons it takes to break the skull or ribs for a killing blow
Doom’s biggest fear of strength regarding the punch THAT WE’VE SEEN
sturdy walrus
And when he hits people with his fist he always stops immediately at their location
dense nebula
Is the OR-15 massacre in Numbani
I say that we’ve seen since we’ve never seen him level a skyscraper
sturdy walrus
According to the overwatch wiki on fandom the maximum time from the start of the punch to the end is 0.5 secs
So he accelerates to what i think is 100mph (i remember seeing that number somewhere but i'll have to check), AND decelerates in less than half a sec
G force has to be insane lmao
rare trail
thats all in game
sturdy walrus
Good enough for me
rare trail
that doesnt make sense
in game doesnt make something canon
a weird edge case scenario of an ability shouldnt be taken as canon
sturdy walrus
Yeah he reaches 44m/s which would make the g force on his body (which is initiated by a jerk motion from his hand only) at the VERY VERY LEAST 9g but probably double that number
sturdy walrus
Oh and charged punch is even faster and maintains that g force for a longer time
rare trail
ok?
sturdy walrus
Doom a beast
rare trail
charged punch isnt canon either
sturdy walrus
Nah he's a beast
Bro punched a concrete wall with his bare fist until it broke, ragdolled genji and tracer who were fighting him at the same time, and beat orisa
sturdy walrus
Yes?
rare trail
no
he didnt punch a concrete wall with his bare fist
that was a prosthetic
he never beat orisa
he beat the inferior or15s
not orisa
sturdy walrus
Nope it's confirmed that the doctor removed his fist and hastily stitched him up so either a normal fist or a very slightly augmented fist
rare trail
nope
wrong
Akande Ogundimu lost his right arm in the Omnic Crisis
the loss of his right arm during the Omnic Crisis. And while his family’s technology could replace his arm,
sturdy walrus
And he beat orisa and didn't finish her and efi off cus he wanted to recruit her
upbeat violet
he’s from the future
sturdy walrus
"They were confronted by Orisa, and a firefight erupted. Doomfist recognised it as a reconfigured OR15, and managed to incapacitate her. However, before he could deliver the final blow, Efi Oladele intervened, begging Doomfist not to destroy Orisa. He explained his ideology to her, and revealed that he knew her as Orisa's creator, and that he was aware of her HollaGram alias, where she'd been posting her progress on Orisa for the world to see. She'd made Orisa stronger than an OR15, but not strong enough. There was, however, a place for her in Talon if she wanted it..."
sturdy walrus
Akande Ogundimu lost his right arm in the Omnic Crisis
Yeah you're right
rare trail
"They were confronted by Orisa, and a firefight erupted. Doomfist recognised it ...
where is this from
sturdy walrus
Overwatch wiki
rare trail
not a valid source
upbeat violet
yes they are
sturdy walrus
If the god damn overwatch wiki is not a valid source i give up
river quiver
Damn bros are more fed up with people talking about lore than they are when getting rolled in the actual game
sturdy walrus
Overwatch fans when you tell them doomfist is black: "actually jeff kaplan never wrote + signed it in an official letter to the press so not valid"
rare trail
no one is saying that
upbeat violet
I’m not sure how much of a joke that is
rare trail
thats just a strawman
peak escarp
I once got into an argument with someone because I called Lucio black
river quiver
I laughed
upbeat violet
😟
sturdy walrus
I once got into an argument with someone because I called Lucio black
That's overwatch fans baby
peak escarp
they argued "he's not black he's Brazilian"
river quiver
I once got into an argument with someone because I called Lucio black
I’m acxtually he’s Brazilian
peak escarp
worthy rose
lol
sturdy walrus
Fucking hell
river quiver
Lmfao
upbeat violet
crazy
peak escarp
and when I countered with the large population of Afro-Brazilians, they said "nothing indicates Lucio is Afro-Brazilian"
river quiver
That’s why I say “not white” cause I’m never technically wrong
upbeat violet
does it get worse?
peak escarp
nothing indicates Lucio is Afro-Brazilian
sturdy walrus
and when I countered with the large population of Afro-Brazilians, they said "no...
That's exactly what's been happening here today
rare trail
no
river quiver
So shoving the technically bs back at them is great
rare trail
That's exactly what's been happening here today
thats not true
upbeat violet
That's exactly what's been happening here today
No it’s not
you said a woman can be a twink
peak escarp
if you want explicit confirmation, you can look at the Overwatch Cookbook
sturdy walrus
"Sigma is big and strong because he physically occupies a lot of space and has muscles"
"No"
upbeat violet
"Sigma is big and strong because he physically occupies a lot of space and has m...
no one refused that
river quiver
Tho I will say that whole doom fist making his brain mush from punches was kinda stupid 🤣 coming from a car enthusiast who’s been in a dragster doing well over that speed and having to stop extremely fast is saying quite a bit lmfao
upbeat violet
you said he can defeat any dps with ease
rare trail
yeah
upbeat violet
while being slightly challenged by only some
rare trail
sigma is big and strong is extremely different from he can beat any dps (without his gravity powers)
sturdy walrus
Tho I will say that whole doom fist making his brain mush from punches was kinda...
100mph in a quarter of a sec in around 19g
Good luck doing that on a roadster
peak escarp
you're forgetting one thing
sturdy walrus
you said he can defeat any dps with ease
I said he could toss most of the dps roster around
peak escarp
Doomfist is a fictional character, and therefore isn't subject to G forces
upbeat violet
I said he could toss most of the dps roster around
no you said beat
gray kayak
Stop typing here and secure your account. Message ModMail when you've done that.
river quiver
Lmfao I only got to 10,000 hedge fund
rare trail
yeah change your password go into devices and remove the ones you dont recognize
sturdy walrus
My statement was that sigma is an absolute beefcake and would toss most dps hero...
.
leaden reef
Doomfist is a fictional character, and therefore isn't subject to G forces
Lore accurate doomfist when his skin flies off his face after a rocket punch
river quiver
I think that was a joke 😂
sturdy walrus
Sigma is absurdly above the entire ow roster in terms of raw power
Shit, even if...
.
river quiver
Okay wait if we’re going off that logic of doom fist what about Genji dash
peak escarp
the laws of physics only apply in fiction when the plot requires it
upbeat violet
I'm talking about a fist fight
.
sturdy walrus
Most dps weigh between 60 to 90kg?
Sigma is taller than shaq (potentially up to 8'1) and is buff?
That's it
sturdy walrus
Okay wait if we’re going off that logic of doom fist what about Genji dash
Immediate death
rare trail
you keep making baseless statements about sigmas height
upbeat violet
there’s nowhere that says he’s either taller than shaq or up to 8’1
sturdy walrus
Rein is 7'4
river quiver
Immediate death
Genji stops literally instantly after the dash
All momentum just “nah”
sturdy walrus
Infinite g
river quiver
It’s actually very similar to tracer
river quiver
Well yea but Genji shoots forward and instantly stops momentum
upbeat violet
because it’s a game
sturdy walrus
But he interacts with matter
river quiver
But what if he doesn’t
He’s a cyborg mostly robot
Maybe they did a tracer doohickey
river quiver
And made Genji just a not tracer tracer
rare trail
Maybe they did a tracer doohickey
you cant just give someone tracers powers
river quiver
But his dash is the same speed as tracers blink
river quiver
Now I’m just purposely trying to throw random bs out there and see who bites the hook of Malding 🤣
gray kayak
(Watch how mad they get lmao)
Because this is the lore discussion channel and not shitpost central?
river quiver
But that would actually be kinda cool if they did
gray kayak
Keep it appropriate to the channel or go chat in #overwatch
upbeat violet
Genji and tracer are both twinks so it makes sense
neither of them are twinks
river quiver
Did tracer come before or after Ziegler saved genji?
sturdy walrus
Tracer and genji being twinks is an important aspect of the lore c-dad
This is an integral part of their character
upbeat violet
gray kayak
Don't push your luck friend, either use the channel appropriately or go somewhere else.
river quiver
Did tracer come before or after Ziegler saved genji?
I don’t know the specific times of the comics and such but I think tracers chrono accelerator was made for her before they made Genji into a weapon
Literally the only reason why I’m asking now is because after his dash in the cutscene those vials popped out of his suit like it was a cooldown. So maybe they did add some kind of chrono acceleration process into Genji. That would explain his ability to dash forward like that
But naturally since his state of matter isn’t fluctuating constantly and randomly they had to almost force it rather than assist it like they did tracer
Which would explain how he can stop on a dime and get no real momentum off it cause he’s simply fast forwarding himself in time that short distance and has to cool down before doing it again
upbeat violet
I think he’s just going really fast
river quiver
Those two are the only characters who really have that style ability, and both worked with Ziegler and Winston at some point in time. Even Moira doesn’t have patients that can essentially “blink” forward like that
Unless she worked on Genji too while in black watch
Cause angela worked with tracer too, it would make sense if she picked up a thing or two from Winston
rare trail
i dont think she did
theres some voicelines where moira says that she could've remade genjis body without all the metal
river quiver
True, but it sounds like Genji refused with “and left me a monster like your other creations?”
rare trail
yeah
river quiver
So Moira works mostly with matter. That’s how she made reapers fade. Whereas Angela is electronics like her wings and the healing staff
The chrono accelerator is also an electronic device
rare trail
yeah
river quiver
It’s entirely possible
river quiver
Exactly. So what really prevents the idea that Genji could have some kind of prototype blink ability
rare trail
genji doesnt have chronal disassociation
river quiver
That’s why I said earlier, that’s why he can’t do it all the time. Cause rather than tracer having to be assisted with anchoring herself
Genji would essentially need to be forced to have it
Anyone would want to recreate that ability to shoot forward in time. Imagine if a character like doom fist just had it in his back pocket. It’s extremely powerful
So, simply if Genji was made to be a living weapon. Why wouldn’t they try to recreate a very very powerful ability
Even if it’s not the full thing with lack of cronal disassociation
rare trail
i dont think there is a way to make it without chronal disassociation
peak escarp
because the chronal disassociation is the thing that makes blinks possible
river quiver
She didn’t just come across it one day
rare trail
the spaceship is what gave her chronal disassociation
river quiver
Exactly. And she gained it from an incident with the spaceship
peak escarp
it's not an accident they can replicate
rare trail
also her bio says she was gone for months
river quiver
So you’re telling me you can’t replicate a nuclear bomb because one country randomly found out “hey atoms do this when you cut them”
rare trail
what?
river quiver
Naturally that’s going to be a study that everyone wants to figure out
rare trail
thats not the same thing
river quiver
It really is
river quiver
It’s a phenomenon that caused an insane power
river quiver
And?
rare trail
people thought she died
river quiver
What does that change
rare trail
people wouldnt want to replicate that
river quiver
That’s a lie and you know it
rare trail
no its not wtf
river quiver
Chernoble??? People still use radiation
rare trail
people dont want to disappear for multiple months
rare trail
thats different
river quiver
So naturally why wouldn’t they try to recreate something that would give them power even if it was dangerous
How?
rare trail
chernobyl isnt a required thing for nuclear energy to work disappear for months would be required for tracers thing
peak escarp
it's also dangerous and not guaranteed to work
Overwatch wouldn't intentionally risk someone's life like that
peak escarp
Talon might, but they don't have the teleporting fighter jet
river quiver
Which was a shady organization In the first place
rare trail
also its just a vague malfunction that caused tracers thing
they probably dont even knwo what caused it
river quiver
Literally none of these debunk the idea
rare trail
yes they do
river quiver
And clearly they had to have some idea of Winston made a device to anchor it
rare trail
major health and safety risks
river quiver
And yet they have cybernetic enhancements
rare trail
what???
river quiver
Plenty of health and safety risks there too
upbeat violet
And clearly they had to have some idea of Winston made a device to anchor it
the idea for it arises because it happened
rare trail
what are you talking about
upbeat violet
not because they knew it would
rare trail
cybernetic enhancements are very different from "lets mess with an engine to maybe recreate something that made someone be gone for multiple months"
river quiver
not because they knew it would
Exactly. But now that they know it happened, people are going to think “this is extremely powerful. If I could recreate it, this would be a huge advancement”
rare trail
they dont know how it happened
peak escarp
cybernetics aren't likely to kill the person
rare trail
just a vague "malfunction" in the teleportation matrix
river quiver
Why else would they enhance soldiers and make people exactly the same as sojourn and soldier 76
For power
rare trail
what
river quiver
For military power
rare trail
sojourn isnt enhanced like soldier
peak escarp
that was during the omnic crisis
peak escarp
basically world war 3
rare trail
She’s pretty damn close
not in the same way
river quiver
She even said in a voice line that hers is old
peak escarp
Soldier doesn't have rocket legs
river quiver
Okay and? Doesn’t mean it’s not similar
river quiver
It’s still an enhancement meant to do the same thing
rare trail
also hundreds of people died from the thing soldier and reaper went through
peak escarp
Soldier is a supersoldier - genetically enhanced
Sojourn is a cyborg - technologically enhanced
there's a difference
rare trail
yeah
river quiver
Still both made for one thing
river quiver
Both were made in order to gain power
peak escarp
Sojourn wasn't made a cyborg to gain power
rare trail
thats like saying a bow and arrow and a nuclear warhead are the same thing
peak escarp
she was made a cyborg to save her life
rare trail
yeah
rare trail
ok?
river quiver
Either way they both became very powerful in a military style way
rare trail
ok?
upbeat violet
Exactly. But now that they know it happened, people are going to think “this is ...
you’re not thinking at it from an ethical way
rare trail
Either way they both became very powerful in a military style way
whats your point
river quiver
Dude nobody does. If everyone looked at things in an ethical way we wouldn’t have wars and conflicts
There literally wouldn’t be a reason for overwatch
It would be the perfect world
rare trail
no one looked at sigmas experiment and said "lets try that to make more gravity using guys"
river quiver
I highly doubt that
Man y’all really aren’t too bright are you? You don’t know how people work huh 😂
rare trail
you arent making any sense
river quiver
No homie. YOURE not making any sense
Look at guns for example
They are powerful and the second they were found everyone wanted them
rare trail
ok?
rare trail
making a gun or bomb is different from sigma and tracer
upbeat violet
making a gun is different from the sigma experiment
river quiver
Who wouldn’t want to at the very least TRY to replicate it though?
upbeat violet
want to yes
river quiver
What country with a developed military WOULDNT WANT TO
rare trail
no one has tried to
peak escarp
the risks outweigh the benefit
rare trail
yeah
river quiver
So they experiment and experiment and experiment until SOMETHING works
That’s the definition of prototype
rare trail
they would be experimenting with human lives
upbeat violet
you’re putting people at risk
river quiver
the risks outweigh the benefit
And that’s very wrong
rare trail
thats why they arent doing it
river quiver
Very very incorrect
upbeat violet
And that’s very wrong
😟?
peak escarp
according to you
river quiver
If you could control gravity you are the most powerful person on the planet
rare trail
also
river quiver
If you control gravity somehow you can control literally anything
rare trail
most people dont know sigma exists
river quiver
It’s essentially using the force
upbeat violet
If you could control gravity you are the most powerful person on the planet
sigma literally went insane
rare trail
we dont know how strong sigmas powers are
you think people saw sigma screaming "WHAT IS THAT MELODY" and were like oh yeah ive gotta try this
river quiver
sigma literally went insane
Right, but that doesn’t mean the scientists are doing it to themselves
upbeat violet
Right, but that doesn’t mean the scientists are doing it to themselves
no one would want to willingly go insane
river quiver
They test it on their other subjects to see how far they can push it
peak escarp
subjecting anyone to that would be unethical
river quiver
Humans test shit on people all the time
Death row inmates, kidnappees
It’s a fucked up world
upbeat violet
yes let’s give a death row inmate the power to control gravity
river quiver
Hence the reason overwatch exists as an organization
upbeat violet
what could go wrong
river quiver
Plenty, which is why they test these things on people who mean nothing to them
Until they make a breakthrough
And suddenly things get a little more worth it. The reward starts to outweigh the risk little by little
That’s why drugs are a thin girl
Irl
rare trail
ok so according to you people would want to give death row inmates and kidnappees time powers and control over gravity???
river quiver
They had tracer in a capsule to hold her for the time being didn’t they?
rare trail
you arent making sense
river quiver
They managed to lock up sigma
upbeat violet
They had tracer in a capsule to hold her for the time being didn’t they?
tracer was a reputable pilot
river quiver
Talon helped him escape I believe
upbeat violet
and she wasn’t kidnapped or anything of the sort
river quiver
What difference does that make? They found a way to contain her
Put a lock on the door
upbeat violet
because they wanted to help her
river quiver
WhOAH cRaZy
Literally none of you have read any kind of history book before have you
rare trail
river quiver
Literally none of you have read any kind of history book before have you
This is a legitimate question
rare trail
we dont know if she was truly forced to be in there or if she would just leave
upbeat violet
They managed to lock up sigma
yes because he was mentally insane and he willingly performed the experiment
river quiver
Well of course she wasn’t forced to she wanted help
upbeat violet
a death row inmate wouldn’t do the same presumably
river quiver
But it’s not very hard to grab a random dude off the street who signs a piece of paper and lock them in.
rare trail
like there is no one that someone would
a. be willing to sacrifice
b. be willing to give immense power to
those two things dont go together
river quiver
Here’s yet another example
Going to space
The first people watched rockets blow up
upbeat violet
But it’s not very hard to grab a random dude off the street who signs a piece of...
because they would want a random man they grabbed off the streets for such an experiment
rare trail
going to space is a lot different than tracer and sigmas things
river quiver
They don’t know wtf is up with space they don’t know if there’s air or it’s cold or if they have any way home
They just go because they want to
rare trail
you keep making references to history that dont make any sense