lore-discussion

[quiet rune]

WAT

HOW DAT WORK

So far.

Ye

[rare trail]

if youre doom or smth

or sym

or any omnic

just anyone with a prosthetic

[analog niche]

In terms of most powerful (not in a fight)

I think sombra is a contender

[wind portal]

Sombra isn't that strong

she can only hack omnics and other machineries

[analog niche]

I said not in a fight

Knowledge is power, and with the information she can gather, she is up there

[wind portal]

if we're going pure knowledge Winston and Hammond are the smartest

Sigma would be 3rd

then Moira

[peak escarp]

not Mercy?

or Mei?

[analog niche]

Even in terms of intelligence, Sym and Wife leaver are up there as well

Not just strong in terms of hard light

Also, wouldn’t echo have the potential to be one of, if not, the smartest “person” on the planet?

[peak escarp]

depends if you can count robots with immediate access to global databases

[analog niche]

Yeah but echo learns

[peak escarp]

or advanced learning protocols

[analog niche]

Anubis 📚

[quiet rune]

And soldiers legs apparently

[peak escarp]

that's just gameplay

[rare trail]

yeah the things sym can hack in game are weird

like she can hack echo in game iirc

[quiet rune]

Mei was in cryo for a few years, she didn’t even know OW was disbanded, think of all the tech and scientific discoveries that would have come out in that time?

[peak escarp]

she's still intelligent

she can catch up quickly

[quiet rune]

I was jokin

[quiet rune]

Fair, but she would prob be bellow the others

[peak escarp]

you don't need to ping with every reply

[quiet rune]

Especially LifeWeaver because he created hard life

[quiet rune]

Sorry, is there a way to change that in settings?

[peak escarp]

just click the thing where it says "@ on" and it turns off

there's no setting to default off, unfortunately

[analog niche]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-turn-ping-off-ping-off-ping-discord-discord-reply-ping-gif-26371724

[quiet rune]

Damn

[analog niche]

What is the lore behind sigma’s balls?

(His primary fire)

[worthy rose]

Well, they are called Hyperspheres

[analog niche]

I never knew that lol

[cerulean ledge]

no lore, just there for the game

not a lot of weapons have lore

[keen flame]

what weapons have lore?

[rare trail]

i think most have some sort of lore

[peak escarp]

Cassidy's gun was made by a master gunsmith
Ashe's gun is a family heirloom

Genji's sword is named Ryu-ichimonji

[keen flame]

whats the gist behind winstons lore? if he has one. sorry im new to the lore

[rare trail]

he was a space monkey on a lunar colony

genetically modified to be mroe like humans

he escaped after the colony collapsed because a bunch of the animals rebelled

now hes the leader of overwatch

[peak escarp]

a leader

[keen flame]

damn

[peak escarp]

not the leader

[twilit patrol]

''the''

[peak escarp]

from the cutscenes, it looks like Reinhardt and Sojourn take leadership positions as well

[limpid agate]

As of Zero Hour, Winston is the leader of Overwatch

By default

[analog niche]

Sojourn 🤡

[peak escarp]

what?

[twilit patrol]

[analog niche]

Sorry I just don’t like her

Testifying against overwatch looking ass

[peak escarp]

Overwatch had fallen from grace

[twilit patrol]

Why ? Because she's made Overwatch fall ?

[peak escarp]

I dont blame her

[analog niche]

I know, it’s the right thing to do

I just like having excuses not to like her

Bland character

Very disappointing

[peak escarp]

I hate Hammond for being a RODENT in a SIMIAN research facility

so I get it

[analog niche]

Yeah that was out of left field lol

[peak escarp]

but even more, I hate that it doesn't not make sense

it fits in the world, as stupid as it is

(now if he spoke, that would be drawing the line)

[analog niche]

That’s even more frustrating than expectations being subverted

I have thought of so many simple interactions and really small tweaks to her character that are 100% already there.

It’s not hard to make sojourn better, she’s just not bc I don’t think they want her to be more interesting or complicated than she is rn

[peak escarp]

what would you change to make Sojourn a better character?

[analog niche]

Her augmentations, make her want them so she can do better and constantly push herself to be the best and a latent insecurity about what if she’s not good enough

[peak escarp]

there's a bit of that in the novel

at first she hates them because she's singled-out for being a cyborg, but then she's able to save the mission because she can do what humans can't, and comes to appreciate (even enjoy) her cybernetics

[keen flame]

what would you say you found the most interesting out of all the lore you know?

[dreamy onyx]

How did sigma have control of a black hole why can’t he just make a huge black hole ball and kill everyone why does he have 2 small black holes

[viscid flame]

There wouldn't be a story if he could do that

[upbeat violet]

i dont think sigma can make a huge black hole ball

[dreamy onyx]

Yes he can

When u pick him he has a big black hole ball

[keen flame]

oh his ability to soak shots and turn it into health?

i never realized that was a black hole

[dreamy onyx]

No like when you pick him

[keen flame]

o

[analog niche]

Yeah that’s what I’d like to see more of in game but will have to wait for pve to see it

She’s a soldier

[peak escarp]

he doesn't make black holes

[peak escarp]

the novel really did improve her character, I recommend it

it's the case with quite a few heroes, where their characterization in the lore is completely different from in the game

Sojourn, Kiriko, D.Va, Pharah, Junker Queen

[worthy rose]

The difference between Kiriko's character in lore versus in-game is so incredibly jarring to me

[analog niche]

I hate kiriko

In game

[worthy rose]

I only find her somewhat annoying character-wise in-game, but it's like she's an entirely different person in lore

[upbeat violet]

i belive that's just a graviton

same with when you pick him

[dawn shell]

What about his ult, isn't that a literal black hole

[peak escarp]

it's not

[worthy rose]

The abilities that heroes have in-game aren't canon on their own

[peak escarp]

he just lifts people into the air and slams them down

a black hole would suck them in

[keen flame]

so its like a gravity thing

[peak escarp]

yes

[worthy rose]

The "black hole" in his ult is just there as an indicator (and eye candy to be honest)

[dawn shell]

then what is that ball exactly? can he change someone's gravity freely just like that or they need to be in range of smth special

[analog niche]

I only find her tolerable bc of the memes

[dawn shell]

For example, C-Moon

• he had to punch something to invert its gravity
  Can sigma invert gravity without doing anything special or he needs to do something

[peak escarp]

it's a targetting circle so the players know the area of effect

[dawn shell]

But in lore

[peak escarp]

it's just for gameplay

it doesn't exist in lore

[keen flame]

the "black hole" is just for looks then

[dawn shell]

💀 learned something new today..

[analog niche]

What is the lore behind your pfp

[keen flame]

that lore is highly classified

[analog niche]

Fine

I’ll ask sombra to do some digging then

[vapid tusk]

And Soldier’s gun is a stolen replica (pretty sure)

[peak escarp]

it's a prototype stolen from a closed Overwatch base

[junior parrot]

I have no idea about overwatch lore so im going to throw this at you guys, why hasent talon wiped the floor with overwatch?

[peak escarp]

what do you mean?

[junior parrot]

like Most of the people in Talon are very strong like doom and reaper

cause reaper is immortal if iirc

[peak escarp]

Doom and Reaper are the exception

most of Talon are not like them

[junior parrot]

oh ok im just thinking now is what team comp canon doom can wipe the floor with

like 5v1

[peak escarp]

well he already wiped the floor with Tracer and Genji, only to get beaten himself by Winston

[junior parrot]

so genji would be there and tracer too

I would add dva as she is just a regular women in a mech suit

I feel like we can knock out mercy fairly well

but doom might struggle with high vertical mobility

[fallen juniper]

doom vs rein who wins

[junior parrot]

I dont know

depends if the highlight intros are canon

if they are doom wins for sure

I think he has a good shot against all the supports

[fallen juniper]

doom couldnt even beat winston

[junior parrot]

fair that's why I went with dva

[ivory garnet]

Doom beats Reinhardt

quite easily too

and highlight intros arent canon

[ivory garnet]

he outsmarted Genji, he doesnt have to worry about speed lol

and he anticipated Tracer’s blink

His upper cut attack launches him into the air by like 50-100 feet

[vapid tusk]

so basically Doom is brain and brawn

[ivory garnet]

yeah

he isnt the leader of Talon for nothing

Still loses to Orisa and Winston and MAYBE Symmetra and Sigma

[junior parrot]

So it would be rein, genji,tracer, and any support

[tranquil hound]

who else's queues are taking 20-40 mins and still not getting into a game?

I see so many ppl playing but I can't get into a game

[quiet rune]

But how does that relate to the lore

[dense nebula]

Tbf, one is a genetically altered Silverback gorilla with above average human intelligence, and the other is a robot designed for the sole purpose of countering him

You ever seen an angry normal silverback gorilla?

[crisp python]

Lame ass game, no skill, Spider-Man solos the verse

Spider-Man one taps any character no difficulty

[ivory garnet]

Spiderman can beat anyone in OW yes

Spiderman not holding back can low diff the verse

[dense nebula]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[tulip axle]

sigma is also with them

and sombra

[tulip axle]

are you dumb?

[peak escarp]

I mean the generic Talon agent

the ones who aren't playable heroes

Talon has a lot of members who are just normal humans with guns

[tulip axle]

overwatch was broken apart

before talon could do much

[crisp python]

Spider-Man one taps verse

not hard to understand

[tulip axle]

you do realize that characters like sigma control gravity and create blackhole, right?

let's go one by one for each character

let's start with tracer

[crisp python]

Spider-Man can move and react at light speed

He can lift 75K

good luck with that 💀👎🏼

[tulip axle]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[crisp python]

Spider-Man moves and is stronger then any OW character lol

And easily smarter

[tulip axle]

there's so many things I need to say for the stupidity of your comment

[crisp python]

Ow is a weak verse

[tulip axle]

I really don't know where to start

[crisp python]

You don’t read comics L lol

pick up a comic

Instead of playing a shit game 💀👎🏼

[dense nebula]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[tulip axle]

ah, lets go to comics where every character becomes the most powerful being for the most dumb reasons

making claims based on your comics is like me saying that soldier 76 can solo marvel

but if he were from some random comic i read where he became more powerful than realit

y

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[tulip axle]

comics are more of fanfiction but published by the actual company

@crisp python

[crisp python]

Marvel is a company so you are wrong lol

“Fanfic”

[crisp python]

Still makes them stronger then OW verse

Lol

[tulip axle]

lets have Electric Company Spider-Man fight all of overwatch and see how he survives

[heady sand]

is omen an octopus

[rigid ridge]

Spiderman is an iron man vicitm

[past copper]

@tulip axle @crisp python !!loreonly

[fresh rock]

Overwatch has comics hun

[fresh rock]

That's Valorant

[past copper]

People just don't like that Overwatch is more realistic and down to earth

While Marvel and DC are flat out unrealistic and over dramatized in what characters can do

[fresh rock]

Overwatch is set into the future.

[past copper]

And?

I don't see extraterrestrial threats, magical inhuman dangers, or overpowered beings endangering earth

Hence, Overwatch is more realistic since most of the characters use advanced science and technology

[tulip axle]

Ok

[winged scaffold]

Butter

[ancient hemlock]

2 butters

[remote drift]

is reinhardt reinhardt

and is hammond married to his ball

[pale imp]

yea he is

[remote drift]

figured

[bleak minnow]

then gtfo?

Your on a ow server

[low crypt]

spider man should be in the lore

[worthy rose]

My pee pee is hard right now

[twilit patrol]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[crisp python]

and OW verse is a spider-man victim

[crisp python]

OW has shit comics lol

[crisp python]

OW isn't realistic 💀

didn't know manipulating a blackhole was "realistic"

[crisp python]

No lol

[shadow marsh]

Remember guys, he wants your reaction out of this

[twilit patrol]

?

[crisp python]

Yes

[wind portal]

remember, OW is set atleast somewhat near in the future, and we can already kind of manipulate black holes or atleast, we have the technology to, so Sigma being able to isn't that farfetched

[vague matrix]

Sigma has dementia

[crisp python]

spider-man can lift 75K pounds on his back.

no OW character can do that.

yet no OW character can move at lightspeed.

like spider-man.

[wind portal]

this ain't a vs battle boi lol

[crisp python]

lol

just saying, spider-man no diffs the verse

[crisp python]

clone troopers>

[crisp python]

nah

clones>droids

clones easily outsmart them

[viscid flame]

Yes, through the power of bad writing

But this is offtopic

[viscid flame]

What does realism have to do with story quality? An unrealistic story can be just as good as a "realistic" one, they all depend on how they are written and their overall goal is

Overwatch primarily deals with Science and Technology but it still acknowledges mysticism. The Omnics becoming sapient through Aurora's spiritual transcendence, Shimada Dragons, and the Shrine Spirit Fox. The purpose of creating a universe means you can give it different rules and elements from our own, so just because a Spirit Fox may or may not exist in our real world, has no bearing on its existence in the story, all that matters is how its written

[crisp python]

Marvel also deals with science and tech lol

[shadow marsh]

Remember to take your pills guys

[remote heron]

uh

tracer?

Technically sym too since she has tps

then kiriko idk if id count moving at light speed, shes just cutting through space and time somehow lol

moira? maybe i mean she fades

but nvm shes still normal speed whe she does

Overwatch 1 Doom

[shadow marsh]

Saving your time buddy, there's no point of arguing with him

[crisp python]

she doesn't move at lightspeed.

and she needs to charge that shit up. limited jumps.

[remote heron]

BUDDY

its for the sake of the game

[crisp python]

game play and lore is different.

[remote heron]

okay she probably shouldnt do them a bunch of times

Yes

ur saying gameplay is lore

[crisp python]

im not lol

[remote heron]

u just contradicted yourself

I QUOTE

[crisp python]

it was shown in one of the lame ass animations she can jump limited times lol

[remote heron]

"she needs to charge that shit up. limited jumps"

any evidence?

hello

[crisp python]

watch that one lame ass animation where reaper was bullying the monkey

[remote heron]

yeah no shit i wouldnt do it the entire day either

[crisp python]

and tracer was helping out

and that little shit kid with the crippled arm was there

[remote heron]

MY BROTHER

[crisp python]

and his lame ass brother

[remote heron]

she got shot by reaper

dude if you dont like ow

[crisp python]

therefore she can't move at lightpseed.

[remote heron]

just gtfo lol

like

[crisp python]

nah cry

[remote heron]

ah yes

CRY?

[crisp python]

ironman solos the verse

[remote heron]

okay

sure

oh right ur comparing this with marvel

[crisp python]

yeah

[remote heron]

two completely different things

[crisp python]

yep

both are fictions

same for me

lol

ironman solos

[remote heron]

how she gonna do anything if shes moving at light speed the entire time

its a limited space of lightspeed

but she does

[crisp python]

she can't move at lightspeed.

[remote heron]

yes.

she can.

[crisp python]

how lol

[peak escarp]

what's the argument?

[remote heron]

HUH

he thinks tracer doesnt move at light speed

[crisp python]

bud thinks tracer moves at lightspeed

[crisp python]

she doesn't.

[remote heron]

yk that flash thing when you press right click/shift

thats her

moving herself

[crisp python]

im talking abt the lore bud

not the shit gameplay.

[remote heron]

her abilitys called BLINK

she moves

[peak escarp]

we don't know how fast she moves when she Blinks

[remote heron]

at the BLINK of an eye

[crisp python]

blink doesn't correlate to lightspeed.

[peak escarp]

probably not lightspeed though

[remote heron]

Okay but near

NEAR lightspeed at least jesus christ

[peak escarp]

and only for a very short time

[crisp python]

No.

[remote heron]

crosses several meters within 0.066 s

several meters

[peak escarp]

why does this matter?

[remote heron]

we can do some basic math

cuz hes being a pain in the ass lol

[crisp python]

that isn't lightpseed.

not even close to it.

[remote heron]

OKay sure

but

its not slow

[crisp python]

nah it's not slow

[remote heron]

OH yeah okay far off

FINE

U WIN

[crisp python]

im not saying tracer is slow

[remote heron]

but goddamn

[crisp python]

im saying she can't move at LS

but yk who can?

ironman

[remote heron]

he can not

actually

[peak escarp]

what does ironman have to do with Overwatch?

[crisp python]

he can

he's done it multiple times

[wind portal]

she doesn't, the chronal accelerator doesn't work like that

[crisp python]

and consistently.

[remote heron]

Tracer's chronal accelerator allows Tracer to move at near-light speeds, while speeding up her sense of time to allow her to experience her movement as an outside observer would. This, coincidentally, also accounts for the flash of light that Tracer leaves behind when she does this.

[crisp python]

smart guy

[remote heron]

NEAR light speed at least

Its a blink

[crisp python]

she would die if she was moving at that speed.

[remote heron]

her accelerator is mostlly so she doesnt poof

[crisp python]

she needs the accelerator to lock herself in time

[wind portal]

we haven't seen her move that fast, the best we've seen her do is dodge a sniper bullet from mid-range

[crisp python]

because she can skip through time lol

[remote heron]

She teleports through time

[crisp python]

she can go back or forth.

that's how she works.

[remote heron]

Literally into the future

[crisp python]

she can manipulate it with the accelator

if she doesn't have that, she's lost

[crisp python]

kinda

because she doesn't effect her what's around her, only herself

[wind portal]

we've seen her get hit by things that shouldn't have hit her if she were truly going near light speed

[crisp python]

it's more like she's destroying time with her own body but only affecting herself

not anyone or anything else.

[remote heron]

Einstein also said our universe has a speed limit: nothing can travel faster than the speed of light (186,000 miles per second). What does this mean for time travel? Well, according to this theory, the faster you travel, the slower you experience time. Scientists have done some experiments to show that this is true

[crisp python]

therfore ironman speedblitz her.

[remote heron]

Frame perfect hits what can i say

its fucking fiction

[crisp python]

time travel is very simple

[wind portal]

also entity this isn't the place for vs battles or crossover stuff lol

[crisp python]

just move at lightspeed.

[remote heron]

YES

thats what she does

SHe

TRAVELS THROUGH TIME

and back

therefore

[crisp python]

she doesn't time travel

[remote heron]

lightspeedc

SHE DOES

it may not seem such in game

but she does

[wind portal]

that's not tracer doing it, that's the chronal accelerator

[crisp python]

okay so if tracer blinks, is she suddenly in the year 2099? no

she's in the same time

[remote heron]

YEAH BUT WHATS THAT ASTTACHED TO

[crisp python]

it's only her body that is moving

[remote heron]

FUCKING TRACER

its like saying oh i didnt kill anybody it was a gun

Dude

[crisp python]

funny how i quit overwatch a long ass time ago but i know how tracer works 💀

[remote heron]

time travel doesnt have to be in the distant future

[crisp python]

it is lol

[remote heron]

It does not

hello

[peak escarp]

travelling a few seconds into the future or past is still time travel

[crisp python]

tracer doesn't time travel, she just moving in a slower/faster time then everyone else.

[remote heron]

YEAH

TIME TRAVEL

[crisp python]

no lol

[wind portal]

the best way I can describe Tracer's ability is similar to how Ekko does it in League of Legends

[remote heron]

YES

[crisp python]

when tracer blinks she is destroying time

not time traveling

[remote heron]

she

[peak escarp]

destroying time?

[remote heron]

goes from one place

to another

immedeatly

[crisp python]

if she were to time travel and she blinks should be in a whole different year.

[remote heron]

without moving technically

[viscid flame]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-go-t-dothraki-itisknown-khaleesi-gif-5465236

[crisp python]

yes because if she's moving her body forward she's destroy the present time so her body jumps.

[remote heron]

SHE moves but like

[crisp python]

same with rewind

[remote heron]

you get what im saying

[wind portal]

I'm not agreeing with tracer having near light speed reactions but entity is being stupid rn lol

[remote heron]

time travel

[crisp python]

no.

[remote heron]

not near

light speed

[remote heron]

yes

[crisp python]

time travel and destroy time is 2 different things.

[remote heron]

why do you say iron man can time travel

[wind portal]

the point still stands that I don't agree with it lol

[remote heron]

also its the same concept with you

[crisp python]

if she can time travel she would be the most op character in the verse.

but she isn't

[remote heron]

its not him being fast, its his thingamabob

like?

theyre the same type of hero

fucked up and need some weird robotic shit

[crisp python]

he can if he wants

he moves at lightspeed.

[remote heron]

omfg

[wind portal]

also iron-man can not time travel, atleast not in the conventional since but that's off-topic

[crisp python]

tracer doesn't.

[remote heron]

no

his arc? i think

does

[remote heron]

EXACTly

[crisp python]

he's can escape a blackhole.

[remote heron]

his ship

escapes a black hole

[crisp python]

making him FTL+ lol

[crisp python]

his ship?

[viscid flame]

Ah you've gotten yourself into the whole Calcs, vs battle, "solar system level" fantasy battle, folks

[crisp python]

he was doing it in his armor

making him FTL+.

[remote heron]

okay so ur saying

[crisp python]

blackholes trap in light.

if ironman can escape one

[remote heron]

he was time traveling just a little bit faster than a black hole

[crisp python]

that makes him faster then light

[wind portal]

I am very tempted to pull out my debate side but I'm not going too because tracer isn't even top 5 strongest in lore lol

[crisp python]

it's common sense.

[remote heron]

so not into a lot of years ahead

so time traveling

[crisp python]

genji is top 5.

[remote heron]

yet u said

this is not time traveling

[wind portal]

nope

[remote heron]

Like dude

[crisp python]

Yes

[remote heron]

u keep contradicting yourself

[crisp python]

tracer doesn't move at LS

[remote heron]

she does

im losing braincells

[crisp python]

she would die if she did.

[viscid flame]

lol yea I get what ya mean. I remember getting really invested into that stuff some years ago, was some fun times

[remote heron]

no cuz shes got the thingamabob

[crisp python]

accelator would be damaged if she did lol

[remote heron]

ironman doesnt die?

[wind portal]

top 5 strongest is

1. Winston
2. Doomfist
3. Orisa
4. Sigma
5. Reaper

[crisp python]

his suit is much much more durable.

[remote heron]

ITS NOT ABOUT THE SUIT

help

its still just metal

or nanobots

[crisp python]

tracer doesn't have any kind of armor that can withstand LS lol.

[shadow marsh]

Oh my god

[crisp python]

tracer's weakness is literally having no accelator

she is nothing without it.

[remote heron]

theyre two different worlds

[crisp python]

she's just lost in time without it

[shadow marsh]

What's the argument rn

[remote heron]

iron mans weakness is not having an arc reactor

omfg

[crisp python]

he doesn't use that anymore

[remote heron]

he dies without it

[crisp python]

wrong

MCU is different from the comics.

[wind portal]

I don't know why we're talking about Overwatch and Marvel when they're completely different anyway, just ignore entity @remote heron and move on from it lol

[remote heron]

Yeah

[shadow marsh]

Prolly a kid that just wants your attention dude

[remote heron]

no point

yeah 15 year oild

[shadow marsh]

He'll just keep pulling bullshit from his ass

[remote heron]

wow

[wind portal]

entity is just a debate goon looking for any excuse to get into a debate

[remote heron]

a niner

[wind portal]

I've dealt with plenty of them before lol

[crisp python]

yes

[shadow marsh]

Like some bias shit about spiderman going at a speed of light when he can't even catch Gwen Stacy💀

[remote heron]

theres school clubs for that

[crisp python]

yeah and for some reason i undestand how TR works

[viscid flame]

Godzilla btfos Iron-man and that is canon to 616

[crisp python]

clubs are lame

[remote heron]

ofc

[crisp python]

crossover event. poorly written

all crossover events are shit lol

[remote heron]

so iron man in space?

[crisp python]

spider-man does move at FL in the comics, live action is lame af.

[wind portal]

!!movingon

[twilit nacelle]

Moving swiftly onwards

[crisp python]

wdym

[shadow marsh]

Source?

[crisp python]

dm me ill send panels

[remote heron]

"i made it the fuck up"

[shadow marsh]

No just send it here

Send me the link here

[crisp python]

i can send pics here?

[shadow marsh]

Everyone wants it

[remote heron]

send link to it

or image link

thats allowed

[wind portal]

anyways, now that we have lifeweaver, who do ya'll think is the next best support?

[remote heron]

like current

or new?

[shadow marsh]

Well Biolight is a big advancement in overwatch

[crisp python]

i don't have links

only panels lol

just dm me

[wind portal]

Biolight is interesting but I don't think it'll be expanded upon outside of Lifeweaver stories

[shadow marsh]

What's the comic

[wind portal]

Don't feed the troll

[crisp python]

early spider-man comics

[shadow marsh]

What's the title

[remote heron]

No. Spider-Man can't physically move faster than light even if his Spider-Sense could.

R: Spider-Man is not faster than light, nor hypersonic, nor supersonic. He has reactions in the very few milliseconds. He can fairly easily react to and move out of the way of supersonic projectiles and attacks when they are already travelling, but not straight-up outspeed said projectiles or attacks.Dec 2, 2016

How fast could Spider-Man travel?
The 40kph figure seems about right, but remember: Spider-Man can leap 40 feet without trying, and is strong enough to leap ten times that. The comics hate showing him leaping that far, but it may be that some of his swings are really leaping momentum with the webs to steer him. He's slowed down by zigzagging.

though he can't move faster than a bullet nor see one coming, Spider-Man's Spidey-sense allows a precognition that enables him to seem to dodge bullets. Instead of being fast enough to move after the bullet is fired, the Spidey-sense makes Peter instinctively move to to a safe position before the shot is taken.

[wind portal]

I wouldn't trust a random google search to give you a definitive answers as someone who's a fan of marvel

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[remote heron]

OKAY true but like

it wouldnt make sense for him to time travel

[wind portal]

I've been trying to tell them to move on for like, minutes now lol

[crisp python]

send you the panels in dm

[crisp python]

there is panels of him dodging lightspeed projectile/attacks

[remote heron]

Yeah i gotta stop

[wind portal]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[remote heron]

i remember the first short i watched for overwatch was the hanzo vs genji one in hanamura

stunning

ever since that video i was interested in finding out about their lore

i know about the painting in the KOTH map (forgot the name) and the skins

but is trhere anything else

[peak escarp]

they were the two sons of the head of the Shimada clan, raised from birth to be his successors

but Genji didn't want that lifestyle - he did ninja training, but was a playboy and didn't pull his weight in the family

so when Sojiro was assassinated, the clan elders tasked Hanzo with straightening out his brother and getting him to fall in line

Genji refused, and Hanzo attacked him, leaving him near death

[remote heron]

yep know that

[peak escarp]

fortunately, Overwatch had been surveilling the Shimada clan and had agents on the ground who could evacuate Genji to their medical team in time to save his life, although he was left unable to walk by the attack

[remote heron]

mhm

[peak escarp]

then Overwatch gave Genji an offer - a full cyborg body in exchange for his help in dismantling the Shimada clan

Genji accepted because he wanted to walk again

meanwhile it's unknown how much longer Hanzo stayed with the clan, but eventually his guilt overcame him and he left to wander the world in search of redemption

[remote heron]

mhm

lovely story

[peak escarp]

after Genji completed his task with Overwatch, he struggled with reconciling his identity with his new cyborg body - eventually he left Overwatch in search of inner peace, and Zenyatta found him

that's pretty much all we know about them

Hanzo will be getting another short story some time soon

where he helps defend Tokyo from a Null Sector attack

[shadow marsh]

What was Jack and Cassidy's connection in Hanamura?

[peak escarp]

Cassidy was part of Blackwatch, who were the ones sent to take down the Shimada clan

Jack was the head of Overwatch, and authorized the mission

[marsh crag]

Is vishkar evil

[peak escarp]

they're a corporate entity that exploits people

they're not good, but I wouldn't consider them evil

[limpid agate]

They are an antagonistic faction

[worthy rose]

guys wat moiira loree

[limpid agate]

!!loreheroes moira

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/moira#story

[worthy rose]

moiiraa good guy right or

[limpid agate]

No

She is one of the villains

She is one of the leaders of Talon, which is the main villain of the franchise

[past copper]

Overwatch is using actual science that's bring studied today. And we can literally create mini black holes with tech now with particle accelerators

[worthy rose]

but what mooirraa wants is to improve humanitty

just seesm a bit extreeme tho right

[past copper]

How bout you get your nose out of the comic books and learn some science

[fresh rock]

Bro let it GO

Don't give them attention

[fresh rock]

She sees herself in improving humanity, but in reality she is destroying it. She is also TECHNICALLY the reason why Overwatch fell.

[limpid agate]

That's not an accurate assessment

She is working to improve humanity and the realm of science

But the way she does it is without the limits of ethics

So she does a lot of human experimention

She isn't "destroying it"

[peak escarp]

Sanjay being on Talon's council doesn't make Vishkar evil

Vishkar may not even know that Sanjay is working with Talon

[viscid flame]

At best Vishkar is a better version of Amazon

At worst Vishkar is Amazon

[ivory garnet]

dont see how that analogy makes sense

[livid pond]

wait

so sombra's translocator was stolen

[peak escarp]

she made it from the technology behind Tracer's chronal accelerator

[livid pond]

so how exactly does the translocator work?

[peak escarp]

idk

it's never explained

[livid pond]

does it replace the space around it with her, or does she move in time?

oh

ok

[worthy rose]

guys whats zarya lore

[iron plume]

Used to be a world-tier weightlifter, gave that up to be a soldier when Russia and specifically her village were attacked by Omnics

has some shady dealings with Volskaya who's the biggest weapon manufacturer in Russia but those haven't gone anywhere much

For the last part see New Blood pt. 4 https://assets.blz-contentstack.com/v3/assets/blt2477dcaf4ebd440c/bltd491d56e1606d412/61fdc39da6bb9250d3e44a53/OW_2.4_Final_EN.pdf

[compact rapids]

Do we know what hard light is or is just future magic

[rain shoal]

pretty much future magic i would say cuz light particles are photons and have no mass so i dont think its possible to make objects that have mass using light

[peak escarp]

it's scifi tech

[gritty wave]

Not sure if this is considered a lore message but I feel crazy for saying that the image of Liveweaver’s wanted poster feels really strange to me. Like it feels kind of creepy in a way I can’t pin down? Sorry if this is the wrong channel, I’m kinda new 😅

[analog niche]

Ramattra is the kind of character that taking out a few lines of dialogue kinda makes him the good guy

[zenith mango]

Ehhhhhhh

If you look at it like that then everyone would be a “good guy”

[rancid spindle]

I Think that takes segregation, discrimination and technically a Bullying by race turns he to a good guy, no?

Omnics literally suffer by racism in the lore

Rammatra is right

[wise junco]

If you see robots brutally slaughtering all your friends and family, and then those same type of robots are now part of society, of course you would be pissed off too no?

[true locust]

it’s weird to expect people to accept the robots as part of human society when they were just destroying the world

[peak escarp]

it's weird to accept humans as part of society when humans are waging war around the world

the civilian omnics are not the ones who attacked humanity

well, they're not the ones who were made to fight in the crisis

it would be like hating all Russians because of the war in Russia

[broken patio]

ram is like the malcom x of overwatch

and i love it

one of my fav characters lore wise

[rare trail]

Ram is like Malcolm x but ramattra does a lot of terrorism so

Is there any lore behind Hollywood?

[ivory garnet]

its a movie set

not much behind it

[autumn lodge]

Wait is Chairman Volskaya also the leader of Russia or is she just the head of the company?

[grand wedge]

head of the company

[grand wedge]

The lore was that the famous omnic film director HAL-Fred Glitchbot got death threats, and is in need of bodygards to escort him.

[shadow marsh]

Ohh so that's why

[grand wedge]

yeah, he received threats from an anti-omnic group

he has nice voicelines when the heroes are his bodyguard in hollywood, shame you can't hear it well when you play

[analog niche]

But that still happens though

[analog niche]

But… he’s already on the property?

[grand wedge]

The PvP maps just have a setting, but you don’t play the canon mission, that will be for the story mode (and we may not have a story mode for Hollywood anyway)

[dense nebula]

More like the Magneto if anything

[peak escarp]

I know it happens, doesn't make it right

[analog niche]

I know it doesn’t make it right, it happens

[worthy rose]

BRO I just got banned from comp for 20hours because my screen glitch and was stuck on a loading screen

[worthy rose]

Looks around

[peak escarp]

there's plenty of examples in history of an entire culture/country of people being blamed and punished for the actions of a few, whether they agreed with those actions or not

so it's not surprising that omnics face the same kind of prejudice

[zenith mango]

yeah

[scenic path]

whats the bounty on hanzos head?

if anybody knows

since I cant find anything online, so im not sure if he even has a specific number

[peak escarp]

he doesn't have a specific number

he's not wanted globally, like Cassidy/Ana/the Junkers

just by the Hashimoto clan

[zenith mango]

yep

wait why is cass and ana wanted globally

[peak escarp]

Cassidy has worked as a mercenary/bounty hunter since the fall of Overwatch

Ana is a vigilante in Cairo known as the Shrike

[scenic path]

Ye ik, I just didnt remember if hanzo had one or not

like a set number

[spice reef]

Someone remind me Pharah’s sexuality is pls.

[peak escarp]

unknown

she hasn't shown any interest one way or another

[grave ocean]

does anyone have the artwork of mccloud that's featured in kings row? 🤔 i also wonder if he has been permanently relegated to artwork in-game

[grand wedge]

This artwork was used again in Esperança

[grave ocean]

oooooo neat

[peak escarp]

he's just artwork

he won't be a hero

[worthy rose]

Mid to high Plat

0/1
1/2
0/2

[twilit patrol]

What ?

[limpid agate]

Whether or not they are becoming a hero

McCloud canonically exists in universe

[analog niche]

I hope so though

Cool af

Sexy af

[golden oak]

Efi's cousin is in Talon???

[limpid agate]

Bisi was yeah

Its talked about in the novel

[dreamy onyx]

How did sigma fail his experiment if he planned to harness the power of a black hole?

And why didn’t he just make a huge black hole or something with his power?

Like why can he die in game when he can kill everyone by sending them out of orbit

[limpid agate]

That's not how it works

[dreamy onyx]

Yes it does work

Trust me

They said once he can send everyone out of orbit

He can do much more than shoot tiny black holes

The only reason why he doesn’t do anything else is because he’s goofy

[analog niche]

Which came first, the idea of omnics, or the design for zenyatta?

[limpid agate]

Omnics

[proven cradle]

zenyatta is not that old

[sleek echo]

best reaper skin?

[keen summit]

He said eventually maybe they could, he didnt expect it to happen and ofcourse wasnt ready

[keen summit]

No matter how much offense something has they can still die if they dont have defense

[fathom canyon]

How fast do you think zenyatta could run on his feet

We ask only the most important questions here

[grave ocean]

SWEEEEET what lore does he have?

How do you know he canonically exists instead of just being artwork?

And why would they have current artwork for one of the characters / members of Overwatch? 😿

[rare trail]

?

do you think mccloud is in overwatch the group?

[grave ocean]

I figured as much, yeah

I remember him being in the same selection of heroes as original tracer, pharrah, etc

They can’t make all celts villains surely 🗿

[analog niche]

That’s honestly a good question

Maybe?

I think it could go either way

[pallid urchin]

sombra = mexican hacker

[lilac scaffold]

How do you think Kiriko will play a part in the pve

[rare trail]

she probably wont

[analog niche]

Good

[rare trail]

why good?

[analog niche]

I am unfairly biased toward kiriko in game

I dislike her

[upbeat violet]

what about in a shimada clan involved mission?

[viscid flame]

I imagine most of the characters like Kiriko, Hanzo, won't be appearing in the PVE outside of Easter Eggs. I've been thinking they'll probably do 3 big arcs

Rammatra Null Sector
Talon
And maybe after them they'll have Anubis and the other God Programs return at some point.

It makes the most sense to save characters like Kiriko, Volskya/Sombra, for a Talon arc as the elements of their story best work with that rather than a Null Sector invasion

[analog niche]

What about the junkertown characters?

[viscid flame]

I'm almost certain they would appear by the time/if they ever do a campaign on the God Program, but not sure if they'll appear in the Null Sector campaign, would be really cool if they did

I like all 3

[scenic nacelle]

does hammond count? cuz he fell off (…) the space station and landed there

[analog niche]

I mean technically yes

But I understand what you mean

[upbeat violet]

would characters from Egypt appear in a god program campaign?

[viscid flame]

Oh it would be guaranteed since they are always involved when the story focuses on the God Programs

[analog niche]

Egyptians aren’t real

• Jada Pinkett Smith probably

[analog niche]

Who tf is that

🤤

[viscid flame]

Arnold Vosloo who plays Imhotep in Brandon Frasier The Mummy 1999 and The Mummy Returns 2004, one of my favorite duologies, totally recommend

[analog niche]

Brandon Frasier 🐐

I want a gwyshin hero now

Plz

Would be neat

[fluid knoll]

wait how do i get a fortnite sugar daddy

[dense nebula]

Not the right channel

Nor the right server

I wonder what culture a North African hero would take after

Would they be Tunisian? Libyan?

Or does Orisa and Doomfist count as North African since they’re from Nigeria?

[analog niche]

I mean Egypt is North Africa

So we got two already I suppose

[jagged gull]

you gotta be American ain't no way bro 🤔

[dense nebula]

I looked up North Africa and it showed Nigeria as a part of it

I personally don’t think it’s North African I think it’s West African but that’s what I saw

Also why tf does me being American mean anything unless you’re stereotyping?

[peak escarp]

Nigeria is considered West Africa

it would be nice to get more African rep, maybe from a central or southern country

[potent briar]

Imagine they somehow make Efi playable

Like they give her an iron man type drone she controls outside the battlefield

[limpid agate]

Orisa is supposed to be her surrogate

I think Anubis would make for a more interesting remote drone hero

Especially if you make the drones disposable

[potent briar]

True

[dense nebula]

Problem is Anubis is over and done in the story

For a while now

[limpid agate]

No it isnt

[dense nebula]

It isn’t?

[limpid agate]

No.

[dense nebula]

I could’ve sworn he was locked up

[limpid agate]

Yeah

So was Doomfist

[dense nebula]

Fair

But I honestly did think they wouldn’t bring him back

If they do, you think he’ll start a civil war between his loyalists and Ramattra’s Null Sector?

[limpid agate]

They've made Anubis more important in the past year than he has been in the first 6 years of Overwatch

[dense nebula]

Since it seems Ram isn’t a big fan of him

[limpid agate]

Or 7 I suppose

[peak escarp]

I don't expect Anubis to appear in the story again until after Ramattra is dealt with

[dense nebula]

I personally would prefer a cool Civil war subplot with Ram v Anubis

[peak escarp]

Pharah's team successfully put it back into quarantine

[dense nebula]

Would tie it all up in a bow since Ram’s early concepts had him with a more Egyptian look

[zenith mango]

what is anubis

[rare trail]

god program that made all the omnics fight

[zenith mango]

why would ram be against that

[late sigil]

Which hero has the best lore

[zenith mango]

i like genjis

[peak escarp]

because Anubis lost to the humans

Ramattra sees Anubis as a failure

[zenith mango]

ohhhh

anubis is the reason omnics became self aware?

[peak escarp]

Ramattra thinks he can do better

omnics gained sentience from Aurora

who spontaneously gained sentience on her own

Anubis controlled the omnics during the crisis, Aurora gave them free will

[zenith mango]

who made aurora and anubis

[peak escarp]

Dr. Liao made Aurora

we don't know who made Anubis

[zenith mango]

why did they make aurora

[near moat]

ey for an edit if u guys have a fav quote from any hero dm me it and you'll be featured in an edit

[peak escarp]

she was just an omnic, part of a production run

she wasn't meant to have sentience

[zenith mango]

why did liao make aurora

[peak escarp]

because that was her job

Dr. Liao helped create the omnics

[zenith mango]

oh

[peak escarp]

she worked for Omnica Corporation

[zenith mango]

was aurora special in any way

[peak escarp]

gaining sentience is what made her special

[zenith mango]

why her specifically

was it random

[peak escarp]

yes

[zenith mango]

oh

is she still alive

[peak escarp]

no

[zenith mango]

was she killed

[peak escarp]

she transcended

she sacrificed herself to give omnics sentience

[zenith mango]

how does thta work

[peak escarp]

nobody knows

[zenith mango]

oh

did liao make echo

[peak escarp]

yes

she also made Athena

[zenith mango]

is she dead

[peak escarp]

who, Dr. Liao?

yes

she was killed when Talon attacked her lab

[runic halo]

Any shippers?

I ship Brig and Vantage from Apex

They make the cutest power couple

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[runic halo]

Noted 👍

[twilit patrol]

Brig has a crush that's all we know

[analog niche]

I honestly think Genji is cuter with Brig than with Angela

[zenith mango]

why was rein reluctant to rejoin ow?

and what did brig mean by "what they did to you" in the short honor and glodry?

[peak escarp]

Overwatch forced Reinhardt to retire after a mission he was leading went badly

he gave his entire life to Overwatch, and Brigitte is mad because they forced him to retire

[tulip dome]

isn't he like 90-80 now

[peak escarp]

61

[twilit patrol]

He's like yes but not really

[peak escarp]

the oldest hero is Sigma, at 62

[tulip dome]

isn't it bastion?

[twilit patrol]

?

No

[peak escarp]

Bastion is 30

the omnic crisis was only 30 years ago

[tulip dome]

oh

[zenith mango]

why was echo made

[peak escarp]

to be an adaptive multirole robot

to show the world the true potential of omnics

[zenith mango]

wasd she made to be "good"

[peak escarp]

yes

[worthy rose]

People are always asking, who is the strongest? But nobody's asking who is the weakest? (Bastion?)

[peak escarp]

Mei would be weakest

Bastion is still a war machine with a minigun

[worthy rose]

You think?

How come?

[peak escarp]

Mei and Zenyatta would be weakest

[tulip dome]

baby dva

[worthy rose]

I thought zen was meant to be op or something

[tulip dome]

hammond

[worthy rose]

Couldn't mei freeze bastion or wall him off, etc

[peak escarp]

Mei is a scientist with no combat training

[worthy rose]

Didn't he become the champion of junker town

[peak escarp]

D.Va is at least military trained, even without her mech

Hammond without his mech would be pretty weak

[worthy rose]

Well yeah he's a god damn hamster

[tulip dome]

shes like 4 foot tall and weights 50 pounds

[peak escarp]

he's a 1'4" hamster

[worthy rose]

That's like saying doomfist without his gauntlet would be weak

Well no shit

[tulip dome]

doesn't matter if she's trained or not

[worthy rose]

Sorry if I'm coming across as rude lmao

[peak escarp]

Doomfist without his gauntlet is still a trained martial artist with a prosthetic arm

[worthy rose]

He's got a prosthetic?

[peak escarp]

yes

he lost his right arm during the crisis

[worthy rose]

Oh shit

[peak escarp]

which disqualified him from the martial arts tournaments he was participating in

[worthy rose]

People like that exist irl, not anything special really

[peak escarp]

still stronger than someone like Mei

[worthy rose]

True

I was just using that as an example for the argument about Hammond

[worthy rose]

Also I take it that's a no

[worthy rose]

And that

[peak escarp]

most of the heroes would be pretty weak without their weapons

Mei could wall off Bastion, but he'd just blast through it

[tulip dome]

even without his gauntlet doom could wipe out a town with a punch right

[peak escarp]

and no, Zen is just a regular omnic

[worthy rose]

What 💀

[peak escarp]

he punched his way out of prison with just the prosthetic arm

[tulip dome]

yeah he level skyscrapers with easy (i think)

[peak escarp]

he didn't get the gauntlet back until after he broke out

they say he could level a skyscraper ... doesn't mean he actually can

it's just part of his legend

[tulip dome]

oh alr

[analog niche]

My legend is how many pizzas I can eat

It’s highly exaggerated

But still propagated

[peak escarp]

I'd say the strongest without any weapons would be...

• Sigma (can control gravity)
• Reaper (innate wraith powers and superhuman strength)
• Winston (genetically enhanced gorilla)
• Soldier (superhuman strength)
• Zarya (strongest woman in the world)

plus all the omnics would be above Zarya

even a cyborg like Sojourn or Genji doesn't match an omnic's physical strength

[tulip dome]

rein?

[limpid agate]

Doomfist should be up there too

Unless you intentionally excluded all cyborgs

But he is the strongest of the bunch

[peak escarp]

no, I forgot

[tulip dome]

reinhardt th

[peak escarp]

cyborgs would go above Zarya too

[limpid agate]

Not sure about Genji/Sojourn

Its a grey area they never elaborated on

And they have no strength feats, more just speed and agility

[peak escarp]

I was mostly going off Sojourn's line in the novel about being stronger than most humans but weaker than most omnics

[limpid agate]

That's fair

Okay she's below Zarya

[peak escarp]

Rein is strong, but his age is a factor

peak Rein might beat peak Zarya

but she has also trained most of her life to lift weights

and I'm judging on physical strength alone

[limpid agate]

Quick thoughts. Rows are unsorted

Rein/Road/Genji/Sojourn can probably shift around

I put Torb in his tier because cybernetics are just naturally stronger, like we see in Train Hopper

[peak escarp]

I appreciate that you put Widowmaker in the middle tier

[limpid agate]

I should have put Sym there too, but hers I feel would be more... Fragile?

Symmetra and Lifeweaver would be in the same tier

[peak escarp]

yeah

[limpid agate]

Junkrat's cybernetics are just garbage

Sorry

Prosthetics

Because they're not cyber at all

[surreal leaf]

its a fucking pegleg

[limpid agate]

With shock absorbers

But yes

[peak escarp]

his arm is pretty basic too

[limpid agate]

The human is mostly trained humans. But I think they are below those above

Who are also mostly trained humans

[peak escarp]

and finger? which he also seems to have lost between 1 and 2

[dreamy onyx]

I think Reinhardt outside of his armor is like 6’6

[limpid agate]

Zarya, Reinhardt, Roadhog are just fucking strong

[ivory garnet]

he is still massive

[dreamy onyx]

In the cinematic you could see him outside of his armor and how tall the armor was sitting down

[peak escarp]

they could probably lift a car

[limpid agate]

They cant

[dreamy onyx]

Yea but why is Doomfist so tall and how the hell does rein get into his armor

[limpid agate]

A car weighs double Zarya's record

[dreamy onyx]

Back in ow1 he was shorter now he’s almost reins height

[limpid agate]

Maybe with their armor or gear, but not unarmed

[ivory garnet]

to make him a tank’s height

[surreal leaf]

why is zen in inhuman? is he just really strong

[ivory garnet]

an omnic

he isnt human

[limpid agate]

He is inhuman

[dreamy onyx]

Ok but why didn’t they make him tall in ow1?

[limpid agate]

And we dont really know how strong he is relative to others, physically

[ivory garnet]

he was a dps, needs a smaller hitbox

[limpid agate]

But with Doc's quote from earlier, "most omnics" are stronger than Sojourn

And most omnics are civillian class

[dreamy onyx]

Bastion is a dps and like 7 foot

[limpid agate]

Its the same reason I put Bastion up there

And Echo since similar tech

[peak escarp]

robots are on a different level from humans

[ivory garnet]

it’s controversial, but i’d put Sombra/Tracer up 1

[peak escarp]

why

[limpid agate]

I initially had Sombra lower

I bumped her up to that

[peak escarp]

we're talking physical strength here, not power levels

[ivory garnet]

oh physical strength

[limpid agate]

And Tracer is probably about as strong as D.Va and Kiriko

[ivory garnet]

nvm then

[limpid agate]

They're trained and fit