lore-discussion

[rare trail]

lifeweaver might make the list be top 5 if we learn more about him

[peak escarp]

which tbh is still incredibly strong

[boreal fractal]

Now this guy is talking about doomfist

I didn’t bring up him

[peak escarp]

Doomfist is pretty powerful

but barely makes the top 5

[rare trail]

yeah

lifeweaver is basically sym right?

so he could be really powerful

only ones who rival sigma are like winston orisa and sym

[boreal fractal]

How strong is sym

Don’t know much abt her

[rare trail]

very strong

[boreal fractal]

Probably because I don’t like her

[rare trail]

shes basically green lantern but without the willpower thing

[boreal fractal]

I mean he can also create things

[peak escarp]

Lifeweaver can do everything Symmetra can do (but not as good as her)

plus he can heal

[boreal fractal]

But bro dropped out

[rare trail]

so is he top 5 strongest?

[peak escarp]

that's why I said not as good as her

[peak escarp]

potentially

[boreal fractal]

Mb

My fault

[peak escarp]

he's on the speculated list

[boreal fractal]

The only thing holding him down is his personality

[rare trail]

his powers might be shown better in sym story

[boreal fractal]

Also his lack of experience

[worthy rose]

Why not? I personally have him above Reaper and Rein but below Winston

[peak escarp]

top 5 is
Sigma
Symmetra
Winston
Orisa
Doomfist

[worthy rose]

Oh ok that makes sense

Though I'm not sure Sigs should make it though

[peak escarp]

Doomfist and Reaper are pretty close

Rein isn't even top 10

[worthy rose]

Not really tbh. Doomfist beat Tracer and Genji while Reaper and Tracer seemed pretty even

[peak escarp]

when did Reaper fight Tracer?

[worthy rose]

Museum?

[peak escarp]

she didn't fight him much

that was mostly Winston

or both of them at the same time

[worthy rose]

Maybe I should rewatch it

[worthy rose]

He's stronger than Reaps

[peak escarp]

how

[worthy rose]

He can't be put down

[peak escarp]

he's an old man in outdated power armor

Reaper is a supersoldier with wraith form

[worthy rose]

Rein was probrably stronger in his prime

[peak escarp]

Rein also has the tactical skill of a peanut

[worthy rose]

His armor takes tank blasts

And can stun Reaper with his ult

[peak escarp]

I don't think there's much of a decision

he charges in because that's all he knows

Reinhardt isn't a commander

his highest rank was lieutenant

[worthy rose]

Rein may be dumb but Reaper can't take him down due to durability

[peak escarp]

he was put in charge for one mission and that mission made Overwatch force him into retirement

[worthy rose]

Stalemate at best

Yeah

And Rein can stun with his ult

Which would leave Reaps open to a hammer to the head

[peak escarp]

in what universe would Reaper get close enough or stand still long enough for Reinhardt to slam him with his hammer?

he's smart enough to keep his distance

Reinhardt is strong for a human, but he's nowhere near Reaper's level

Reaper would outsmart Rein, get around his hammer with wraith, and shoot his armor's weak spots

[dense nebula]

How tactical is Ramattra lore wise?

Or do we not have a good gauge of that yet

[ebon frost]

Did u know that Cassidy banged dva

[rare trail]

he didnt

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[dense nebula]

Ngl, I’m not a fan of lore implicating relationships between heroes

Like romantic ones

There’s so much more that could be focused on before that

Yes I’m mainly referring to Lifeweaver and Baptiste

Cause I’m worried they’ll do it more

[peak escarp]

considering the only mission we've seen him launch was the King's Row uprising, I'd say he's not very tactical

[dense nebula]

And that was in the early years wasn’t it?

[peak escarp]

yes

[dense nebula]

So for all we know he improved his tactics

[peak escarp]

maybe he has improved since then

or gotten some tips from Doomfist

[dense nebula]

Mayhaps it went bad since he wasn’t there in person

Ram seems the type to lead better when on the frontlines

[worthy rose]

He's not. But Rein can stun him to the ground with his ult like does in game. Although actually Reaper might be able to predict this since he's worked with Reinhardt for a long time so he'd probably know him well enough if that makes sense.....

[worthy rose]

Is Lifeweaver a new character?

[ivory garnet]

new support

and Reaper beats Reinhardt

his necrotic rounds easily penetrate Reinhardt’s armor weak points

[worthy rose]

Probrably

[vapid tusk]

who would be the best chess player out of the overwatch roster

lore-wise

[cloud prawn]

Does he have any flirty voicelines with black people like doomfist, because if he does, we can determine that he is pan, because pan people date anybody, regardless of race or gender, so since he flirts with bap, we can determine that he is pan, (this is just me blizz may say something else during pride month we'll see)

[cloud prawn]

winston

or sigma

[peak escarp]

what does race have to do with it?

[cloud prawn]

oh sorry, I guess i confused race into it, never mind, he probably is bi

[peak escarp]

Pansexual means attraction to people of any gender

bisexual means attraction to two genders (or something - people have different definitions for it)

[cloud prawn]

true, this is my opinion, its that pansexual and bisexual are the same thing, but that's just me because both sexual oreintations are attracted to both genders

[peak escarp]

depends on how many genders you recognize

but this is getting off topic

[cloud prawn]

true

anyways...

if lifeweaver is bi, ill probably main him just because of that, also, what are his flirty voicelines? i would love to know who he flirts with to gather more info on him

[peak escarp]

Lifeweaver isn't bi, he's pan

[cloud prawn]

oh ok

[peak escarp]

he flirts with Bap - that's all we've heard so far

[cloud prawn]

ah ok

im dumb XD

[worthy rose]

Reaper seems to be the best at tactics

[rare trail]

Nah

Reaper kinda chokes a ton

[worthy rose]

He was picked to lead Overwatch for a reason

[rare trail]

Jack was picked for that

[worthy rose]

Reaper was initially the leader

He also proved to be smarter than Jack

[rare trail]

Like his actions in recall are so awful from a tactical standpoint

[worthy rose]

He can guess Jack's every movement before he does it

[rare trail]

He had Winston basically dead but he just monologued and choked so much

[rare trail]

????

When does he do that

[worthy rose]

He said so in the Old Soldiers comic

[rare trail]

That’s just reaper gloating

Ofc he’s gonna say that he’s the best he’s very arrogant and overconfident

Like in zero hour he completely fumbles and somehow loses to Winston after having him on the ground because he just like did a villain monologue for no reason

His tactics are not good

I cant think of a time his talon mission was successful

Ig code of violence

[worthy rose]

He was almost successful in the Infiltration short

He only lost because Sombra ruined it

He also would of killed Soldier had Ana not interferred

So some of his loses seem circumstantial

I mean if he was picked to lead an elite group of soldiers he has to at least be an experienced and decent leader

[peak escarp]

Jack would be best at chess

he actually likes chess

Reyes was picked to lead the original team because of his experience - Morrison was selected to lead after the crisis because he showed better leadership

Reyes is a good tactician, he just fails when the plot needs him to

like any time he fights Winston

[worthy rose]

And the fact that Winston is almost unbeatable when in Primal form

[worthy rose]

who would win hog or rein

[ivory garnet]

reinhardt

[worthy rose]

I think rein only wins coz he has armor

and hog doesn’t

[twilit patrol]

And with his hammer

[worthy rose]

ye

well hog can outrange he does have a shotgun

so that won’t do much either

[rare trail]

Yeah I think rein is fast enough to beat hog

[worthy rose]

ye but rein might get tired coz he is old but rein still wins

[rare trail]

My thoughts on rein vs people

Not ordered within the ranks btw

[worthy rose]

ye thats realy good ngl

[rare trail]

Bastion might be in wins hard given he destroyed a ton of those in honor and glory

[worthy rose]

but rein beats junkrat tho

[worthy rose]

Rein easy

[worthy rose]

But Sigma has zero feats

He doesn't lose hard

[rare trail]

Sigma has some feats

[worthy rose]

In lore?

[rare trail]

Yeah

His bio mentions some gravitational anomalies happening near him

[worthy rose]

rein easy beats junkrat

[rare trail]

Hmmm

[worthy rose]

he has a shield that can block most of junkrat attacks

[rare trail]

Yeah

And Junkrat gets bodied in one hit

[worthy rose]

Seems kinda vauge

Like we don't know how much he can lift with his powers

Unless we use gameplay feats

Sigma seems kinda highballed imo just because he can manipulate gravity

[rare trail]

“Gravity moves according to his will”

[worthy rose]

Thats not enough to measure his power

Whats the limit to his power? We have no idea

who beats sigma

sym maybe

[rare trail]

we don’t really know sigma has some vague control over gravity

[worthy rose]

Pretty any high tier character until we have an actual idea of how strong Sigma is

[rare trail]

Like rn sym Winston orisa ig they’re top 4 Ali g with sigma

[worthy rose]

Winston would beat Sigma for sure

[rare trail]

We don’t know that

[worthy rose]

Sigma has no feats to say he can overpower Winstons strength

[worthy rose]

Right so for now Winston is stronger

Until we see his true potential

[rare trail]

no

you’re just assuming his control over gravity is really weak

[worthy rose]

unless a hero gets added that has crazy powers

[rare trail]

the lifeweaver in question

Lifeweaver is prob top 5

[worthy rose]

lifeweaver is like A tier I would say in power level

we have to see more of him

[rare trail]

He’ll probably get more fleshed out in syms short story

[worthy rose]

I want a kung fu hero so bad actually

[keen summit]

We dont know his limits yet

[worthy rose]

Not really

I guess if we use gameplay feats. His best feat is creating a boulder

Which is decent

[keen summit]

And lifting orisa

[worthy rose]

Can he beat say Winston or Doom?

[rare trail]

Power tierlist in general

[worthy rose]

maybe

pretty accurate

Shouldn't Jesse be above Ashe?

[keen summit]

Alot of people forget how crazy orisa is

[rare trail]

His projectile eater and flux are way stronger

[rare trail]

Not ordered within tiers

[worthy rose]

Oh ok that makes sense

[rare trail]

Ashe isn’t c and cass isn’t a so

[keen summit]

Rein should be higher than zar imho

[worthy rose]

Briggete should be higher

[rare trail]

Idk rein is just a guy with a hammer like zarya has gravitons and stuff

[keen summit]

We've seen how string the crusadere qre

[worthy rose]

With super durable armor

[rare trail]

Idk brig has not shown herself it battle much

Aren’t zaryas bubbles semi canon as well?

[worthy rose]

I'd also say Mccree is above Zarya

He's faster on the draw than her

And I doubt Zar can withstand a bullet

[worthy rose]

Yeah but how durable is it?

[ivory garnet]

and I doubt he can dodge a Gravity Pull

Zarya would most likely beat Cass

[worthy rose]

He still has ranged attacks

[worthy rose]

Really?

[keen summit]

Cass is just a good shot

Depends on the range

[ivory garnet]

Cass isnt anything special lol

[worthy rose]

But can Zarya withstand a bullet to the head though?

[keen summit]

Hes a really good shot

[worthy rose]

She's also no bullet timer

[keen summit]

Again depends on the ranfe for the fight

[worthy rose]

Mccree can shoot a playing card 50 yards away or something iirc

[keen summit]

Why jq so low tho, she should defo be higher

[worthy rose]

Range isn't a huge problem

she can be bubble herself

[keen summit]

Shes fought a ton of omnics, fought 3 on 1 etc

[worthy rose]

Yeah but again Cass is faster on the draw

[rare trail]

I don’t really see Jq beating anyone with a gun

[keen summit]

Magnet

Take gun away

[rare trail]

magnets get less powerful the farther away though

So run away then shoot her

[keen summit]

Again look at the range of her knife even in cinematic

[rare trail]

And activating the magnet and taking the gun away takes a lot less time than shooting her

[keen summit]

Evrn on big things kike a huge metal plate

[rare trail]

Yeah her magnet stuff is odd

[ivory garnet]

idky we’re debating Zarya vs Cass, they’re teammates

[rare trail]

Yeah

[ivory garnet]

both have different strengths

as for everyone

[keen summit]

Tbf most are all close

[worthy rose]

So? People debate who would win between Avengers all the time

[ivory garnet]

everyone who has a gun or ranged weapon is close

[keen summit]

But we al agree on the upper echelons

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[keen summit]

I hope

[worthy rose]

Yeah Winston and Symm is definitely top tier

As is Doom

[keen summit]

Orisa too

[ivory garnet]

Doom is struggling for the 5th spot

[keen summit]

Orisa is insane

[rare trail]

Top 4 are mostly agreed as Winston orisa sym and sigma

[worthy rose]

Yeah even though shes lame

[keen summit]

In lore shes honestky insane tho

Beat doom in prototype phase

[rare trail]

Doom lifeweaver and reaper I think are 5th contenders

[worthy rose]

Still not as cool as the Monkey

[keen summit]

Reaper just doesnt die, doom is just powerfull and well weaver is architect but we dont know if hes as skillef

[worthy rose]

Wasn't he threatened by a gun to the head in Code of Violence?

[keen summit]

Imho stopping a car by accident because you are standing somewhere is cooler

[rare trail]

I mean he can die it’s just very difficult to actually kill him

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[keen summit]

Cuz the constant regening and destruction of cells

[worthy rose]

I'm sure Winston could do the same. He also beat Doomfist

And schooled Reaper in Recall even though he was jobbing

[ivory garnet]

Reaper is also, very agile aswell lol

[keen summit]

Winston cant

[rare trail]

Winston would probably get run over if a car hit him and he didn’t see it coming

[keen summit]

Winston got punched back by doom, he cant stop a car without thinking about it

[ivory garnet]

Orisa has better durability

[worthy rose]

In primal form he took grenades and didn't even care

[ivory garnet]

thags not a debate

thats*

[keen summit]

Orisa legit was helping soneone cross the road and signalled to stop and crushed a car by accident

[ivory garnet]

she is quite literally an immovable force

[keen summit]

Orisa is the most durable in lore

[rare trail]

Primal form != just random passive not seeing a car coming

Primal form is just when the plot armor gets really good tbh

[keen summit]

The doom vs orisa dynamic as sprays hint at too is that doom is unstoppable force while orisa is the immovable object

[worthy rose]

I guess it depends on which form Winston is in then

[keen summit]

While orisa doesnt need to think about it

The strength and durability for that is insane

[worthy rose]

The durability to take grenades and not think about is insane as well. So it depends on the form

[keen summit]

Again i aint saying it isnt

Im saying orisa doesnt need to change form

So even if someone sneaks up

It doesnt matter

[worthy rose]

Fair

[keen summit]

Orisa vs winston is a pain to think about tho

Both are insanely durable but orisa more, her strength is insane too but shes not mobile at all while winston can jump

[worthy rose]

And shields and tesla canon

[keen summit]

The real question for orisa is what is her kit now, is it spear+ oold kit

[rare trail]

Has shield ever been used in lore I thought it was just a prototype

[keen summit]

Or is it only spear

[keen summit]

It has been used

In comic

[rare trail]

Which one?

[keen summit]

Pretty sure. One of last london calling ones

[worthy rose]

sombra has emp so he can just kill all omnics if she wants too

[keen summit]

We dont know if emp is canon

[ivory garnet]

EMP wont kill omnics

[keen summit]

But yes hack

[worthy rose]

yes it will it’s a emp

[ivory garnet]

all her hacking does is make them pass out and woozy

[worthy rose]

sry

still

then she can kill them

[keen summit]

I think if a rematch comes between orisa and doom itll be a race for sombra or winston to show up

[ivory garnet]

her “EMP” isnt really based on destroying electrical circuits, its more like scrambling the code for a bit

[keen summit]

We've seen that even theb they survive

[worthy rose]

doom won’t pull any punches for a rematch

[keen summit]

In zarya comic

[keen summit]

Doom cant beat orisa

[ivory garnet]

Doom already wasnt pulling punches lol

[keen summit]

I think the story will be that he surpassed winston

So they need orisa

While talon tries to take her out

[ivory garnet]

Lucio already knows Orisa pretty well, so hook ups

[keen summit]

Like end game

Yea

And efi likes overwatch too

I do beliebe orisa will play a part in the story lije that

Cuz shes the best answer to doom

Orisa might not be the strongest in lore in general but vs doom shes the strongest

I do believe doom will surpass winston in pve tho

But lifeweaver im not sure of at all, sym was extra good with hardlight, gifted, weaver dropped out early but did make the healing version

[worthy rose]

ramattra woul be strong too

[keen summit]

Another sigma situation where we got no idea what his limits are

Meabwhile jq who has fought a bunch of his type

We just need to know how much he can do with nanobots and how many he got

But we dont know if they already had nanobots for their design and if he made more tho

[worthy rose]

orisa and ram are the same power level I think

[keen summit]

Ehhhh

Im gonna be honest, and i love rama, but we dont at all know how powerfull he is

[worthy rose]

ram would fight until he falls

[keen summit]

Yes, doesnt mean that he could for long

[worthy rose]

but yk what’s crazy ram isn’t actually evil

he just wants a better life for omnics

[keen summit]

Tbf most of talon also has nobke goals

[worthy rose]

expect reaper

[keen summit]

Yeah and sombra who aldo isnt noble but not evil either

[worthy rose]

tbh idk even know what he wants

[keen summit]

Revenge

[worthy rose]

on jack

[keen summit]

He leads ground missions and namely overwatch hunt

[worthy rose]

or just overwatch

[keen summit]

Overwatch, the world etc

Reaper is really just angry

[worthy rose]

ye

what does widow want also revenge

[keen summit]

To feel alive

[worthy rose]

or just to feel alive

[keen summit]

Thats all

[worthy rose]

bruh

[keen summit]

She doesnt care bout everything else

[worthy rose]

she did feel alive when she killed mondatta

[keen summit]

Exactly

When she kills she feels alive

I called the writing parallels with rama and mondatta

[worthy rose]

ye

[keen summit]

But rama is also a corrupted version of mozes, think about it, staff like a shepherd,. Wants to free his people from slavery, egyptian inspired

But rama isnt a huge threat himself, stronger than humans yes but hes dangerous cuz his army

[worthy rose]

true

his null sector army is huge

[keen summit]

Yes and hes also a master tactician

[worthy rose]

rly

[keen summit]

Yes

His type was created as a commander omnic and it seems some parts stay with them from their purpose espec their skills

[worthy rose]

do you think anyone will join talon

[keen summit]

We know hes a master tactician but cant predict everything

[worthy rose]

from the roster

[keen summit]

I dont think so, there are enough people in talon who have enough to do and we also have characters likeky tied to talon like Hashimoto

[worthy rose]

I can’t think of anyone except for hog

maybe

[keen summit]

Hog is too selfish

Doom doesnt want that

[worthy rose]

he is the only one that maybe considers doing it

true

[keen summit]

Almlst everyone in talon council focus on future

Personal theory is that Hashimoto clan focusses on future aswell as they wear modern yakiza clithes instead of the samurai esque shimada had and that you have hanzo, tradition, genji and kiriko, mix of tradition and futuristic, so leader of Hashimoto being future based wouldvfit

[worthy rose]

ok

[rare trail]

Concept art for lifeweaver

[keen summit]

What i meant by this is
Doom: evolution for better future
Moira: science progress at all cost
Sanjay / vishkar: a better world
Max: provides the money for the orginization so they can accomplish it
Reaper: does ground missions to stop threats to the vision or get assets for it

[golden oak]

Pretty sure vishkar is supposed to be “Big company™️” they just want money and power

[keen summit]

thing is we dont know, them using talon to destroy stuff for them is very likely and it could be that they do truly want a "perfect world" as perfection is so important for them

[golden oak]

Maybe but pretty sure they don’t build their creations for free

And they even blackmail their competitors to make sure they get commissioned and not some other

Being a monopoly is money and power, “perfect world” might just be an excuse

[keen summit]

but tbf from what we know thx to lifeweaver it seems more likely they truly want a perfect world, just believe that only they can bring it

[golden oak]

Yeah so they do want power, otherwise they would let LW keep rights to biolight

[keen summit]

Tbh he did make it on their grounds

However its also insane marketing

[golden oak]

Well if you invented something by using technology that belongs to the company you work for, you’d still want rights to your invention or at least credit for it

[worthy rose]

Lore

[golden oak]

Lore

[primal sphinx]

This reads like a renaissance painting

[golden oak]

Too bad there’s no LW Lucio interaction, they both hate vishkar after all

[dreamy epoch]

wait actually

dang that's a missed opportunity

[wind portal]

you know someone's a true friend if they hate they company but are still friends with a person who's a prominent figure in vishkar

they hate a company*

[golden oak]

Lucio doesn’t hate symmetra pretty sure

[wind portal]

I don't think Lucio knows Sym in lore

he just knows and hates vishkar

[golden oak]

Oh, well in game interactions he doesn’t seem to dislike her, just what vishkar is doing

[wind portal]

Sym isn't as bad as the other vishkar people which is probably the reason

[golden oak]

That and also she doesn’t make decisions

[wind portal]

she was also 'enlightened' by zen as well

[rugged ocean]

Zen is hot

[blissful lagoon]

i cant imagine you being happy

[rugged ocean]

joke joking

[merry mason]

Actually as a robot he does not produce body heat

[blissful lagoon]

how do you know

[rare trail]

he probably produces heat

like computers have fans for a reason they get hot while running

[blissful lagoon]

thats what im saying

[sleek bane]

that has sense🧐

therefore the hottest character is Bastion

[merry mason]

He can’t produce body heat not because he has not heat but because he has no body

[sleek bane]

it seems like this is the only subserver where Overwatch is discussed

in the other 3 people discuss everything except the game😄

[merry mason]

This channel is the only reason I’m still here

[worthy rose]

The other channels meant for Overwatch still talk about it, but it derails frequently

[sleek bane]

good we have this one at least

[rare trail]

wdym? zen has a body

[merry mason]

That’s just hardware

[rare trail]

its still a body

like genjis cyborg parts are still a part of his body

[sleek bane]

but hardware produces heat, like your graphic card or a cpu

i guess omnics have some electronic parts inside of them therefore they could produce heat

[merry mason]

Are they really?

What counts as a body really

[floral escarp]

I keep seeing ppl say that genii and mercy are dating, but then other people say mercy and road hog are then there are ppl saying that road hog and junk rat are dating I’m confusion

Posting this here instead lol

[rare trail]

genji and mercy are implied to have romantic interest in one another but its not confirmed mercy and roadhog have never met junkrat and roadhog arent romantic

[floral escarp]

Also there’s life weavers voice line w roadhog and junk where he keeps avoiding and deflecting accusations lol

[rare trail]

whats the voice line?

[peak escarp]

Junkrat doesn't understand what Lifeweaver is trying to say

which is a pretty good indicator that they're not a couple

[floral escarp]

Mm not good enough for me

He was pretending obv 🌚🙈🙈

[floral escarp]

He asks if they’re a couple but he diverts essentially

[worthy rose]

yes

[dreamy epoch]

"diverts"

the point of the joke is that he literally doesn't understand what lifeweaver is saying/means by that at all

Lifeweaver: 🏳️‍🌈 ?
Junkrat: 💣

[worthy rose]

🗣️

[sonic vale]

Would zen and rammatra be actual brothers, or are they just brothers in the same way that nuns call each other sisters?

[idle finch]

2nd

[peak escarp]

both

[hollow maple]

Based Junkrat reply.

[iron plume]

What's that supposed to mean, exactly

[worthy rose]

torbjorn is god.

[twilit patrol]

Rein is god

[warped latch]

do we know how omnics run? like do they charge or anything, have a battery life? or just ✨futuristic technology✨

[golden oak]

Don’t they drink oil or something

[worthy rose]

No torb is more god

[pure mist]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/12hg2i8/liveweaver_release_date/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=15 Please help me id appreciate it.

[strange briar]

lucio is hot

[analog niche]

more like not

[strange briar]

the internet pics say otherwise

[analog niche]

The internet pics of literally everybody say otherwise

Wrecking ball and bastion can be made just as hot by some artist

[twilit patrol]

He’s cute

[summer tulip]

I am curious now

[analog niche]

NO DONT

[gray kayak]

Do not misuse this channel; it is specifically for debate or discussion about Overwatch lore.

[analog niche]

What’s the deal with esperanca?

Like what is it’s lore, or relevance

[peak escarp]

it's the location of the Great Wall of Durovidro, which was made by the founders of the Collective

[analog niche]

It will probably be in pve

Like most new maps

And I don’t just mean the map itself, but the setting in general

[merry mason]

they fought a battle during the omnic crisis there iirc

[white cairn]

Doomfist at his prime vs Hammond without ball

[tulip cave]

Hammond everytime

[analog niche]

Who would win in a fight, Ramattra or Doomfist?

[white cairn]

Doomfist obviously

But we don’t really know what ramattra is capable of

[analog niche]

I feel like it would be an unstoppable force (doom) vs an immovable object (ram)

[dense nebula]

Unlike Doom Ram isn’t brute force all the time. Doom uses his strength in his tactics where Ram uses Nemesis Form as a last resort

[rare trail]

we've never seen ram use nemesis so its not really canon

100% doom

even if nemesis were canon still probably doom

[dense nebula]

I know in game dialogue isn’t good to go off of due to it not really being canon, but Ram mentions when Junkrat asks why he doesn’t say in Nemesis Form is that he prefers precision over brute force

[rare trail]

yeah i wonder how powerful his staff is

[dense nebula]

Prob about the same as any other weapon

[rare trail]

its probably not better than tracers little pulse pistols though which makes me think ram loses

given doom has been shown to resist her pistols before

[worthy rose]

ye

[wet sapphire]

someone told me that mercy and roadhog are married???? is this true or am i being gaslighted?

[static sequoia]

Who tf told you that

😭

[opaque scroll]

and why are so many people being told that

what is the source of this tomfoolery

mercy and roadhog, as has been said here many times, haven't even met each other

[dense nebula]

Don’t take any in game quotes as evidence of things

Cause those are all theoreticals if they met

It doesn’t mean they actually met

Cause Junkrat has never encountered Doomfist to my knowledge

[worthy rose]

Who’s strongest lore wise

[trail ridge]

Sigma is apparently the strongest lore wise

I think

[worthy rose]

Nah it’s symmetry

[trail ridge]

💀

[worthy rose]

She can bend reality with light

FTL attacks that bend reality

[worthy rose]

symmetry

💀

[twilit patrol]

It's Winton

[golden oak]

Orca is tracer’s ship?

[analog niche]

Who tf is orca

[peak escarp]

the Orca is the name of the dropship that you see on most control maps

they're piloted by Tracer

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/MV-261_Orca

[golden oak]

Is there any mention of Ilios in the lore?

[analog niche]

Ohhh ok

[dense nebula]

Tracer’s ship was called the Slipstream

[worthy rose]

The teleporting aircraft, yes, but not the dropship on control maps

[analog niche]

It looks like an orca lol

[ivory garnet]

Echo and Tracer are both pilots of the Orca

[analog niche]

I forgot about ray lmao

Jeez, I feel old now

[raven sleet]

bend over

[analog niche]

🤨📸

Oh wait I get it now

[tepid sinew]

yeah but the dropship that they all ride in for the control maps that has the basketball in it is also tracers ship. Im pretty sure the orca is also the ship that tracer pilots used in the zero hour cinematic but i might be wrong

does anyone else think tracer is like an in cannon baddie

[cerulean knot]

i want dva to be part of my lore so bad

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[tepid sinew]

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/j for the people that dont understand im being sarcastic

[worthy rose]

Symms followed by Orisa then Monke

[rare trail]

sigma somewhere in there too

[dense nebula]

Monke then Orisa

Then Doomfist

[ivory garnet]

Sigma and Symm are top 2 in speculation. Then Winston and Orisa. Then Doom OR Reaper

[rare trail]

lifeweaver is probably up there too

[worthy rose]

Wasn't Orisa gaining the upper hand on Doom in her prototype phase?

[worthy rose]

Doom is stronger than Reaper

He would beat him the way he beat Tracer

[ivory garnet]

debatable

Reaper vs Doom is a very debatable fight

[rare trail]

yeah

orisa wins against doom

[rare trail]

maybe he can do more damage but actually hitting reaper is a lot harder than hitting tracer

[round sandal]

doom is easily stronger than reaper what lmao

why would reaper allow someone to be his leader if he was stronger than them

thats why they brainwash sigma

[rare trail]

they dont brainwash sigma

[round sandal]

if sigma wasnt delusional to what they were doing to him, sigma would easily kill everyone in talon

yes they do?

[rare trail]

reaper just doesnt want to be the leader of talon

[round sandal]

so many voicelines imply that

[rare trail]

voicelines arent canon

[round sandal]

i mean then what is then

[rare trail]

short stories cinematics bios

comics

[round sandal]

i guess

either way sigma decimates talon if he felt like it

[rare trail]

we dont know that

[round sandal]

its kinda obvious

[rare trail]

he has a vague "control over gravity" we dont know how strong that is

[round sandal]

but yeah, thinking about it now, reaper might be stronger than doom

but no real way of knowing since they never fight

i dont understand why voicelines and in game lore wouldnt be canon

since yk, its IN GAME

[rare trail]

in game != canon

pvp isnt canon

in game abilties arent canon

[round sandal]

i mean with the cinematic of reaper and widow vs those two little kids and winston and tracer

we saw death blossom

pretty canon to me

[rare trail]

yeah some are but being an ability in game doesnt mean its canon

like mercy cant revive

[round sandal]

thats kinda a weird take but alr lmao

yeah

ofc

[rare trail]

its not a weird take its a correct one

its not really a take its just a fact

just being an in game ability doesnt make something canon

[round sandal]

either way, floating 7 foot tall man who is mentally insane and can control a good portion of gravity is stronger than talon as a whole

[rare trail]

we dont know about that good portion part

his control could be weak

we dont know hes barely been in stuff

[round sandal]

his release trailer showed him harnessing a literal black hole in between his hands

[rare trail]

no

that was a graviton the black hole was only there for a very short time

and he wasnt harnessing it he didnt have control

[round sandal]

totally

[wind portal]

that small snip bit of a black hole had essentially destroyed his mind, I doubt he'd even be able to control one even if he was all held enough together too

[round sandal]

never know, might get to know more this season since, this seaosn is kinda based around him

[wind portal]

Sigma probably won't be in the lore much

[rare trail]

i mean hes the main villain of starwatch but that doesnt really matter

not gonna affect main lroe

[wind portal]

Overwatch vs Null Sector is the main point of lore in OW2

[rare trail]

yeah

[wind portal]

It's funny I think Talon is gonna be the Team Rocket of the plot lmfao

[rare trail]

null sector is linked to talon which is linked to sigma but i still highly doubt hes gonna be in it much

[wind portal]

Talon doesn't really have an influence on Null Sector outside of being connected though so that doesn't even help much

[worthy rose]

Auto correct

[peak escarp]

Talon and Null Sector are working together to start a second Omnic Crisis

[fresh rock]

That makes me sad, but it may be true, although, Doomfist did meet up with Ramattra, so maybe it will be a mix of the two?

[fresh rock]

That sounds more like the junkers

[fresh rock]

I'm thinking for when we get more Talon members into the game, the PvE slowly expands, a game full of bosses would be fun.

[worthy rose]

Tracer is faster than Reaper though

By feats

[rare trail]

Tracer is still able to be hit though reaper can completely make himself invulnerable by turning completely into smoke

[worthy rose]

He can't attack while in this phase though

[rare trail]

Yeah

[worthy rose]

Doom is gonna hit him eventually

And he can dodge electricity

So shot guns are no problem

[rare trail]

He can dodge electricity???

What are you talking about

[worthy rose]

When he fought Winston?

[rare trail]

In his origin he didn’t dodge electricity

[peak escarp]

he didn't dodge it

Reaper got fried

[worthy rose]

I'm talking about Doom

[worthy rose]

Winston fired the tesla canon and Doomfist dodged it

Unless its aim dodging

Which fair maybe

[rare trail]

Also we don’t really know how fast that electricity is

And he’s not shown to dodge tracers bullets

Reapers bullets are a lot faster than Winston’s thing

[worthy rose]

Fair

Can Reaps bypass Doom's shields?

[rare trail]

His shields haven’t really been shown to block anything really

In his origin he used his gauntlet to block stuff

Tracer seemed to be missing a lot of shots too and I doubt her pistols are as strong as reapers shotguns

Rewatching doom origin why did Winston just like sit there while tracer and genji nearly got killed

[worthy rose]

Plot based reasons

So Winston would get angry and beat up Doomy

[rare trail]

Oh wait nvm I skipped around and didn’t see doom punching Winston away

I mean he could’ve helped when tracer and doom were attacking each other but that happened in a matter of seconds

[worthy rose]

He could've helped when Genji and Tracer were attacking him

[rare trail]

He was knocked away

He had only just gotten back up after genji was defeated

[worthy rose]

Oh ok

[vapid tusk]

he's not as fast as genji and tracer

when he caught up they were hurt

that's my theory

[keen summit]

He was hit real hard, he mightve been out and after that wabted to check in on genji, when tracer was doing stuff he mightve gotten in the way and he was punched away in a second the first time, jumping in wouldbe just had the same result so waiting a bit mightve been smarter

[golden oak]

I feel like lifeweaver could be potentially stronger than symmetra

[keen summit]

we havent seen him in action so we dont know

sym was extra talented too

[sonic vale]

Would zen and rammatra be actual brothers, or are they just brothers in the same way that nuns call each other sisters?

I need an answer before I do what I’m about to do

[keen summit]

the second one, they call eachother brothers cuz they were monks together

[golden oak]

They were both in a monastery, I’d say that’s self explanatory

[golden oak]

Yeah but sigma says biolight could be turned into a powerful weapon if it got into wrong hands

[keen summit]

i mean yeah seems logical but hardlight also is hella powerfull, we'll have to see him in action to know

[golden oak]

Doubt we’ll see it’s full potential

[digital sleet]

I’m curious now

[quick parrot]

When is extra nsfw lore getting added?

[swift kiln]

Yeah they should add it

[sonic vale]

What does that even mean

[lyric tinsel]

when are we getting an edgerunners esque OW anime

[rare trail]

probably never not as many people play overwatch for the lore unlike cyberpunk

[wind portal]

Winston tried to fight but got knocked out, Genji actually seemed to be doing better than the 2 before he got le paunched

[analog niche]

le paunch

[fresh rock]

Okay, say we get a new cinematic, who would you want it to be of?? This choice can add lore to a certain character.

[rare trail]

i would want sigma

[fresh rock]

Dude, Sigma would be amazing right, maybe have it be one where Talon is on a mission with Sigma, and then we get a flashback to where Talon breaks him out?

[rare trail]

we kinda have when talon broke sigma out wiht code of violence

and sigma doesnt really go no missions but i would just like to see him in his daily life like doing an experiment it getting out of control and him handling it

and showing the extent of his pwoers would be cool

[fresh rock]

That would be cool, yes but

[fresh rock]

That does make sense, considering he's not one of the higher ups?

[peak escarp]

he's a lab rat

[worthy rose]

zen

[twilit patrol]

Lucio

[worthy rose]

zen or ball or doom

[peak escarp]

I'd like to see Symmetra

[worthy rose]

we are getting lifeweaver so it’s possible for sym to get the next one

[rare trail]

she is about to get a short story though so they might not give her one

i would expect the next to be setting up pve

[worthy rose]

i hate sym tho

so rip me

[worthy rose]

the devs said we are getting a ramattra animated short so that could be setting up pve

[celest thistle]

Honestly I’d say roadhogs early life and what made him so bitter could make a very emotional cinematic

[fresh rock]

Wait that could be fire!!

[fresh rock]

Zen is quite the secret

[peak escarp]

when did they say that?

[fresh rock]

Oooh it could work

[fresh rock]

We haven't had one of those in a while!

[worthy rose]

a dev said in a vid on yt that keep a eye out for a upcoming animated short for ramattra

[peak escarp]

hmm

[celest thistle]

That’d be sick

[worthy rose]

te vid is still up

[celest thistle]

I know it’s gotta be in the single player when it’s out but I’ve gotta see a final battle between soldier and reaper
Get some good cane on wheelchair action

[fresh rock]

That can also work

It's funny how Reaper has battled Winston more times than 76 so far in the Cinematics

[worthy rose]

I want genji vs reaper

[peak escarp]

I want to see Cassidy vs Reaper

[celest thistle]

You feel like reaper is going to have a redemption arc and not actually align with Talon?
Cause I’m almost 100% sure sombra will end up stabbing them in the back in the story because 1 she’s sombra and 2 I don’t think she really agrees with them in the slightest

[safe oriole]

I second this

[peak escarp]

Cassidy would definitely recognize his old mentor

[worthy rose]

cassidy fight again would be interesting

[worthy rose]

can’t doom just fire sombra then

[celest thistle]

I mean more like just being undercover within talon and secretly doing things to lead to their downfall

[worthy rose]

but I don’t think reaper will be on the good side ever even if talon gets shut down

[celest thistle]

Yeah true

But I can’t help but see a bit of a Darth Vader in him

[worthy rose]

ye that would be cool

but it will probably never happen

[fresh rock]

If she does that she brings Sigma with her, take it or leave it

[worthy rose]

maybe sigma will have a redemption arc

[celest thistle]

Yeah def

[peak escarp]

Sigma isn't really a bad guy, to there's nothing to redeem

Hanzo needs a redemption arc

[celest thistle]

Ashe too

[worthy rose]

ye I agree

[peak escarp]

Ashe doesn't want redemption

[worthy rose]

nah Ashe will never

ashe wants revenge

[fresh rock]

In PvE, this had always been on my mind, where would Hanzo fit in?

[peak escarp]

she's happy being a criminal, living by her own rules

[fresh rock]

And Ashe?

[peak escarp]

I don't think he will fit in

[fresh rock]

Lord have mercy the HOLES

[worthy rose]

hanzo needs to join overwatch with genji

[fresh rock]

No, that wouldn't work

[peak escarp]

not all heroes will be in the Story missions

[fresh rock]

Right yeah

[worthy rose]

I think hanzo will just be alone

Forever

[celest thistle]

I feel like maybe some time where genji is in trouble during pve and it looks like he’ll die Hanzo comes in and is like “I have your back brother!” Or something like that

[analog niche]

Nah

[peak escarp]

heroes like Ashe, Hanzo, the Junkers, will probably not appear in the Null Sector story arc

[fresh rock]

Oh yeah, we can debunk us playing as Talon, we only have ONE Talon healer. It's utterly impossible to have us do a Talon mission if the S6 hero isn't from Talon

[celest thistle]

Honestly I can see Cass hiring Junkrat and Roadhog

Then maybe queen and ball track them down?

[worthy rose]

that would be funny

[fresh rock]

The Junkers are just Team Rocket

[worthy rose]

to see

[analog niche]

He’ll like third party talon/null sector when Genji/OW is in a tough spot but than leave without wanting further involvement

[peak escarp]

he'd probably turn them in for their bounty

[worthy rose]

that would be funny to see

anyone know how you got the "world of warcraft" emblems by chance? more specifically the queen of blades one

[celest thistle]

He could also kinda relate to them as a former criminal too I think
He didn’t turn in bap

[worthy rose]

why would queen track junkrat and hog queen hates them

[peak escarp]

I think they were a preorder bonus for the Warcraft 3 remaster

[celest thistle]

Exactly
Revenge

If ball kills one he says “the queen sends her regards” so I could kinda see that

[fresh rock]

Ball would go after Winston, maybe?

[worthy rose]

or kiriko

[fresh rock]

Damn it all

[worthy rose]

ball hates Winston

[celest thistle]

Or all 3 😳

[worthy rose]

and they all use their ultra

ults

all 3

[celest thistle]

That’d be sick

[worthy rose]

im asking cause i got one and i don't know how

[fresh rock]

I just want to see the destruction of the maps.

[peak escarp]

oh

idk then

[worthy rose]

im trying to figure out how i got it

the queen of blades one

i did not pre order nothing

so idk

[peak escarp]

maybe it was a free icon

[worthy rose]

is it?

do u have it?

[peak escarp]

yes

[worthy rose]

huh

anyone else have it?

so it's not really rare

[peak escarp]

not really

[worthy rose]

It would-be sick in battle genji hanzo and kiriko all use their ults to defeat null sector bots

they gave it away for free?

or challenges of some sort

maybe

[worthy rose]

nice lore

[worthy rose]

no one else would respond in the other chatso

and it kinda is lore

kinda

like 0000000.1

lol

yea

[fresh rock]

Maybe? Hanzo forest arrows, and his dragon's are slow, really, Kiriko's ult wouldn't really help if they all popped ults

[worthy rose]

but that 1

[worthy rose]

it would be sick to see tho

[celest thistle]

I think Sombra hacking them to use against Nul sector would be sick too

[peak escarp]

Sombra can't hack spirits

[worthy rose]

ye I was about to say that

[worthy rose]

how do u think u got it tho?

the only talon member that can prevent those ults are sigma or reaper

[celest thistle]

Are the basic ground ones sentient?

Cause if so that makes overwatch like…genocidal

[fresh rock]

Okay question, and this is a big one

[past copper]

So, while I know it will be non-canon

[worthy rose]

ok

[fresh rock]

Which Overwatch map would be the first mission in PvE?

[past copper]

Anyone looking forward to the Starwatch comic

[worthy rose]

rio

[fresh rock]

Yeah it'd be cool, like some Star Trek stuff

[worthy rose]

we saw it in that demo type thing

[fresh rock]

Starwatch is basically just Star Trek and Star Wars merged into one.

[past copper]

Eh. I'm more inclined to believe it is more like Star Wars then Trek

But let's not open that can o worms

[worthy rose]

when I first saw starwatch I thought it was Star Wars I was so hyped

[peak escarp]

I'm hyped for the Starwatch AU

[past copper]

Starwatch going all out. I'm hyped for it

[worthy rose]

AU? My acronyms are not in check

[peak escarp]

alternate universe

[worthy rose]

Ooh, right

[peak escarp]

like Junkenstein

[past copper]

The skins for each hero look dope. Including omnic Junk and Hog

[worthy rose]

Yeah I'm looking forward to it as well. I really like the in-universe tale of Junkenstein

[peak escarp]

I've been wanting them to go all in on the season theme like this

[past copper]

And I guess the new map is interesting

Need to play on it to give an opinion tho

[peak escarp]

ever since season 1 was less than 25% Cyberpunk content

[worthy rose]

the theme is like a space theme I’m all for it

what theme would you guys like to see

[past copper]

People love sy-fi convince me I'm wrong

[worthy rose]

for future seasons

[worthy rose]

Y'know I was super-excited learning that literally all of the skins in the bp this season are themed ones, and not stuff like park ranger Cassidy or something else out of the blue lol

[peak escarp]

just for fun I did the math

[past copper]

Well the devs are learning from past BP

[peak escarp]

and I'm going to do an analysis on the theme for each season

[worthy rose]

Man, I haven't this hyped for Overwatch in years...

[worthy rose]

rly

[past copper]

Cyberpunk, Mythology, Shinto, Scy-fi

[worthy rose]

Yes, really. S4 got me pumped

[past copper]

S4 gone be the biggest season yet

So far anyway

[peak escarp]

so far

[past copper]

And we can only go up form there

[peak escarp]

it's good to see them improving

[worthy rose]

The one I'm the most excited for. The skins in it are awesome imo

ye it kinda feels like overwatch knows what they are doing again

[past copper]

Not gone hold ya that Sigma skin is sick

[worthy rose]

ye

[peak escarp]

I want to see a literature theme... and a Fantasy/D&D theme...

[safe oriole]

Fantasy would be so good

[past copper]

We might see a medievel fantasy event

[peak escarp]

Galactic Emperor Sigma is the best mythic so far

[fresh rock]

Yes

[worthy rose]

Dude please, I love those themes when they are done right

[fresh rock]

100%

[past copper]

We have some skins like that

[fresh rock]

I'm tired of saying this

JQ's mythic was underwhelming

And Kiriko's mythic was meh

[north walrus]

did cass or ashe blow up trains

[fresh rock]

Genji's was good, but Sigma's just blows it away

[worthy rose]

JQ's mythic is my favorite skin of hers (except maybe the new mob boss skin), but it wasn't good enough (nor was the bp itself good enough) for me to buy it

[fresh rock]

Btw I just wanna let you know all of Sigma's skins are great

[worthy rose]

I want to see a superhero theme

[past copper]

I mean, what would make them better is more customizable choices for mythics

[fresh rock]

Tsssss not so sure about that

[rare trail]

he has the most canon skins btw

[north walrus]

so liek..

[worthy rose]

sigma’s design is rly good so the skins will be even better

[vocal marsh]

Copyright:

[north walrus]

so did ashe or cass blow up trains

[worthy rose]

both

[past copper]

Also noticed Widow getting a harlequin skin

[worthy rose]

ye

kinda suspicious from blizzard

to just add a harlequin skin

with no explanation

They practically also turned Bap into a Mandalorian with his new skin

[past copper]

We have several heroes with jester skins tho

Junkrat and Sombra

[worthy rose]

mandalorian looks way different

[fresh rock]

It's close

[worthy rose]

It's clearly what the skin references though

ye but widow skin is called harlequin

[past copper]

Actually Bap looks like the character from Battleborn

[worthy rose]

they could have just do jester

[fresh rock]

I'm glad most of the Shop skins don't have much to do with the theme

But also this season is lacking in events.

[worthy rose]

kinda

yeah

[past copper]

Bap look like Oscar Mike from Battleborn

[worthy rose]

It has the pride event and Starwatch.. so yeah

[fresh rock]

Like bro I don't care bout no Lifewiever or no Symmetra

That Ball skin is okay

[fresh rock]

Pride event gives us nothing but flags

Meh

[worthy rose]

Still an event.. but yeah lol

[fresh rock]

A bland one at that

They took away 'MERICA

[past copper]

Omnic Junk and Hog tho look dope too

[worthy rose]

starwatch is a actual event

[past copper]

Ironic too

[worthy rose]

Who knows, maybe Starwatch is so good that we don't need other events

[fresh rock]

No

It'll just be

Okay

It'll be a two week event

[worthy rose]

I won't make a final opinion until I've experienced it

[fresh rock]

That we finish in half a week

[fresh rock]

Right.

I'm just not so sure

Maybe it's because I don't like Lifewiever nor Symmetra, so I'm not so hyped.

[worthy rose]

Starwatch is not about Lifeweaver or Sym

afaik

[past copper]

Interested in seeing how things go

Look like there are three groups in Starwatch

[worthy rose]

im gonna be the evil group

if there is one

lol

[past copper]

The empire — Sigma, Moira, Sojourn, Soldier, Moira, D.Va, Mercy, Brig?

Good guys — Lucio, JQ, Echo, Bastion

Bounty hunter heroes? — Doomfist, Winston, Ashe Bob, Bap

That's just a guess based how I'm seeing it. Tho might only be two groups

Depending on your views toward galactic Bounty hunters

[fresh rock]

Moira didn't get a skin

Did she?

[past copper]

She did

She got a galactic empress skin

At least that what I assume it is

She dressed like an empress

Guess someone in the devs shipped Sigma and Moira

[safe oriole]

She is so mommy in that skin

[peak escarp]

that Moira skin is called Wicked

it's an OWL skin

not Spacewatch

[past copper]

I kinda think Pharah's skin from S1 can also fit in this season

[peak escarp]

it's an evil fairytale queen skin

[golden oak]

Yeah looks like it’s inspired by the evil queen from Snow White

[warm oriole]

i can see reaper as darth vader and soldier as luke then phara as princess lea

moira as the emporer and ana as obi wan

ash as han solo and bob as chewy

[peak escarp]

Lucio is our Princess Leia stand in

[rare trail]

which makes sigma the emperor/darth vader?

probably emperor given thats the name of the skin lol

[warm oriole]

maybe casidy can be the bounty hunter han shoots in the cantina

[rare trail]

greedo?

doom seems like a bounty hunter

wha tis bastion?

[warm oriole]

the avarege stoormtroper

[rare trail]

"infinite annihilator"

[peak escarp]

Ashe is Han Solo (the skin is called Galactic Smuggler)

[rare trail]

yeah

[peak escarp]

Echo is C-3PO (3CH-O)

[rare trail]

bastion-stormtrooper
ashe-han solo
sigma-emperor

yea lucio def leia

[warm oriole]

she seems more like r2d2 as a character

[peak escarp]

a bit of both

[rare trail]

new skin isnt showing up for me for some reason

[peak escarp]

some of the new skins aren't in the game yet

Torbjorn's isn't either, I think

[warm oriole]

https://youtu.be/oxlVVrXJwyo we have intell

[rare trail]

for some reason sorting by legendary worked

what is trobs called?

so which characters have starwatch skins anyways?

[hasty walrus]

-Sigma
-Soldier
-Mercy
-Bastion
-Sojourn (I think?)
-D.VA
-Hammond
-Winton
-Doomfist
-Lucio
-Torb
-Ashe maybe

[rare trail]

dva-infinite ace
soldier-infinite guard 76
bastion-infinite annihilator
lucio-space prince
winston-extraterrestrial
ashe-intergalactic smuggler
doomfist-bonebreaker
mercy-infinite seer
sigma-galactic emperor
echo-3ch-o

[hasty walrus]

The echo skin is I think a reference to another famous robot film and not starwatch

[rare trail]

starwatch itself is a reference to star wars though

[hasty walrus]

It's not an explicit reference

It's a space opera

[peak escarp]

Infinite Empire: Sigma, D.Va, Soldier, Bastion, Mercy, Brigitte, Sojourn
The Watchers: Lucio, Hammond, Doomfist, Winston, Ashe, Torbjorn, Echo

[hasty walrus]

Which Star Wars is of that genre

[rare trail]

torb?

[hasty walrus]

Torb was seen in the trailer

[rare trail]

lucio skin is princess leia this isnt a coincidence

[hasty walrus]

Very excited to play my boy in Starwatch if it means I get the mythic early

Many characters fulfill similar roles

But thats cause space operas usually go similarly to star wars

[rare trail]

intergalactic emperor as the main bad guy and galactic emperor

[hasty walrus]

Evil space empire is bad, rebels stop them

^basically the plot of any space opera

[rare trail]

theres more similarities than that

[hasty walrus]

It is quite similar to star wars, which is nice cause I love star wars

[rare trail]

ooh cool

[hasty walrus]

I wonder if the infinite empire will get a star destroyer

I'll lose my marbles with hype

[hushed cape]

Reaper would be more like Boba Fett though

[ashen wagon]

Why Reaper joined Talon?

[worthy rose]

Oh I just thought you were another symmetra main

They do that sometimes

[misty vortex]

i was sure that he was like drugged and kidnapped by moira, and ended up being brainwashed or something like that. I do know that he was like some sort of human experiment for moira. if you go to the blizzard website, there is a book about it. i haven't read it though.

[peak escarp]

the short story is Code of Violence

Reaper wasn't brainwashed

Doomfist convinced him that doing things the right way wasn't working

that he would have to go outside the law to get justice

[worthy rose]

Nah