he recruited Pharah, Baptiste, Zarya and D.Va
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
peak escarp
what's this "since birth" crap?
Akande learned that through training
it's not like he can magically read people
peak escarp
also he butchered that name
rare trail
??????
twilit patrol
What am i reading ?
rare trail
everyone is talking about sigma having split personalities š
peak escarp
he's no stronger than any other omnic
celest hazel
I don't think Zen is a pacifist, he uses violence as necessary
twilit patrol
Bro it's absurd
rare trail
I don't think Zen is a pacifist, he uses violence as necessary
we've never seen him use violence
he seems very anti violence
celest hazel
Why is his kit like that then
fickle flower
we've never seen him use violence
he doesn't speak to us in a language we understand
opaque tundra
Thereās an interaction with Soldier in which Zen himself debunks the idea that heās a pacifist
rare trail
Why is his kit like that then
pvp isnt canon
peak escarp
rare trail
Thereās an interaction with Soldier in which Zen himself debunks the idea that h...
which interaction?
peak escarp
"What makes you think I am a pacificst?"
celest hazel
Y'know why did they have to make Zen's float non canon :(
rare trail
wdym?
ivory garnet
its not non canon
peak escarp
how is it not canon?
ivory garnet
we see him float in the pve trailer iirc
opaque tundra
We havenāt seen him float. Thereās a chance
rare trail
float is shown through voicelines so its maybe canon
celest hazel
He doesn't float out of game
rare trail
when have we seen him out of game
ivory garnet
we see him float in the PvE announcement iirc
rare trail
in like reflections?
past copper
He doesn't float out of game
Literally seen floating in behind the scenes for PvE
ivory garnet
he is floating then
celest hazel
Sticks and stones
ivory garnet
he is floating in reflections
celest hazel
Sym and Zen story
rare trail
you mean stone by stone?
peak escarp
He doesn't float out of game
celest hazel
I will gladly appreciate if he does in fact float canonically, apologies if I'm wrong (very well am)
rare trail
when does stone by stone say he cant float?
celest hazel
He's walking
past copper
He floats when meditating
celest hazel
Ah alright
celest hazel
I know he walks lmao
past copper
Though, ironically, some people didnāt like it for whatever reason
peak escarp
the issue wasn't whether he could walk
it was whether he could float
his stretching emote is his best emote
past copper
Iām saying that in game, it makes sense he can only float in game
celest hazel
Eh idk the clapping one is dope
past copper
Thatās his character
past copper
But he only seems to actually float when meditating
Whether he can move when floating is up to debate until we see in story mode
celest hazel
I hope so, it'd be dope as hell
past copper
Well, I mean, during the actual game heād float and move bc thatās just his character
I meant like in the animated scenes during the story
celest hazel
I'm looking forward to Ramattra and Zenyatta story
peak escarp
Ramattra didn't betray Mondatta, he just disagreed with him and left the monastery
Zenyatta looked up to Mondatta as a mentor
golden oak
Mondatta criticised null sector didnāt he
young lily
Ramattra didn't betray Mondatta, he just disagreed with him and left the monaste...
Is ram apart of talon or are they just have similar interests
peak escarp
Null Sector is working with Talon
Ramattra made a partnership with Doomfist at the end of Storm Rising
leaden reef
I thought he had just suggested the idea to him by then
peak escarp
Mondatta criticised null sector didnāt he
Null Sector didnt exist until after Ramattra left the Shambali
but yes, Mondatta denounced them
golden oak
Null Sector didnt exist until after Ramattra left the Shambali
Yes i know that, i meant after it was created
crystal crane
Any in-lore reason for why all the black heroes jump very high or run very fast?
solemn mauve
Is it in the lore that Genji sucks at everything?
golden oak
Any in-lore reason for why all the black heroes jump very high or run very fast?
Coincidence?
I mean a lot of characters in general do that
rare trail
Any in-lore reason for why all the black heroes jump very high or run very fast?
coincidence
or ig maybe implicit bias but ehhh
a lot of people run fast or jump high in overwatch lore
peak escarp
only one of those heroes do so by their own ability
the others use tech to do it
scratch that
they all use tech to do it
frozen axle
oh nah tf goin on in here
rare trail
yeah doomfist uses cybernetics soj uses cybernetics lucio uses uhh music + leg things and bap uses boots
frozen axle
its dingleborg in this bitch
peak escarp
yeah doomfist uses cybernetics soj uses cybernetics lucio uses uhh music + leg t...
Lucio has his skates
rare trail
is sym lgtbq?
i just saw a video that said she was but i dont remember that from the lore or anything
celest hazel
I thought sym was autistic
celest hazel
Yeah ik
peak escarp
the only confirmed LGBTQ heroes are Tracer and Soldier
anyone else is just speculation or headcanon
grave geyser
Yesh
worthy rose
Did Hanzo answer the recall?
twilit patrol
Did Hanzo answer the recall?
We don't know
surreal quest
What is a good hero for a new player
twilit patrol
What is a good hero for a new player
Soldier 76
surreal quest
For ranked mode is the wins on anything or just Unranked
stone mountain
wym
surreal quest
You need like 50 wins to play ranked
stone mountain
fr?
surreal quest
Yes
twilit patrol
he was never in overwatch
And itās will be complicated with Genji
peak escarp
Did Hanzo answer the recall?
Hanzo didn't get the Recall, he's not an Overwatch member
Hanzo isn't likely to join Overwatch
golden oak
Does he even know of itās existence
peak escarp
he's heard of it
worthy rose
Anyone know a good sombra or Dva guide video
tidal hawk
Can someone explain baptiste lore ? Like i dont understand his affiliation with talon
peak escarp
he used to be a Talon medic, but he saw what they were really doing so he left in the middle of a mission
now Talon wants him dead
tidal hawk
Ty for clearing that up for me š
golden oak
Baptiste did the reverse moira
golden oak
Does reaper even age after he was modified?
peak escarp
yes
golden oak
Too bad they donāt show how he looks like now
golden oak
I saw someone with a skin like that in game today
limpid agate
I believe all the short story skins are
ivory garnet
pretty sure they are
Bastet
Dusk
Talon Sombra, thats all i can think of ngl
and Shrike
peak escarp
Combat Medic Baptiste
vapid tusk
hello doctor
peak escarp
the short story skins are
Bastet Ana [Bastet]
Combat Medic Baptiste [What You Left Behind]
Doctor Ziegler Mercy [Valkyrie]
Marammat Symmetra [Stone by Stone]
Dusk Reaper [Code of Violence]
there's also Sandstorm Cassidy from New Blood
vapid tusk
Blackwatch skins :D
peak escarp
there are other lore skins, mostly added during the Archives event or with the Origins edition of OW1
vapid tusk
is there a reason for the differences in classic ow1 and ow2 skins
by classic i mean default
peak escarp
because time has passed
vapid tusk
oh i see
i wonder how omnics feel about getting their bodies modified
so i read somewhere that sym is lorewise top 5 strongest heroes
vapid tusk
what does she do
vapid tusk
ahh ok
i need to read up on sym lore
according to general opinion, who is the weakest hero lorewise
true locust
sym sigma winston orisa top 4
how come winston is up there?
rare trail
plot armor
peak escarp
Winston defeated Doomfist
wind portal
how come winston is up there?
genetically stronger than most of the OW cast, ontop of having a win over doomfist
true locust
ohh
vapid tusk
i wonder if he can draw out his full power at any time or if its just when he's enraged
by he i mean winton
who's the bad omnic that dresses in a fancy suit
i forgot his name
rare trail
maximilean?
vapid tusk
yeah him
he's my bae
i only saw the video where new OW team catches him
but what crime did he commit
vapid tusk
like specifically
vapid tusk
who did he try to kill
vapid tusk
i thought he was just running away and telling his guards to like fend them off or something
i may be thinking of the wrong short
grand wedge
i thought he was just running away and telling his guards to like fend them off ...
They couldnāt catch Doomfist up front so they decided to go for Talon accountant because it was likely he would protect himself and give them Doomfist (which he did by telling them he would be in Singapore 3 weeks later)
twilit patrol
he supports talon
You spell āāMaximileanāā i guess itās someone else 
opaque scroll
twilit patrol
Poor Maximilien
worthy rose
Literally as close as possible, thatās how you spell it
brave tundra
So where should I start learning the lore?
brave tundra
gotcha thankss
lilac prairie
Will we get a Reaper redemption arc?
Or just any redemption arc
I feel like Sombra is in Talon just because she's along for the ride, she doesn't even seem like a bad person, just does stuff for her own goal
Also random but why does everyone think Reaper is gay? š He had a wife and a kid. He could be bi but it wouldn't be with Soldier. They didn't even really seem close
twilit patrol
Also random but why does everyone think Reaper is gay? š He had a wife and a ki...
Who is āāeveryoneāā ?
Donāt put me i never thought Reaper is gay
worthy rose
reaper perhaps the greatest character
lilac prairie
Who is āāeveryoneāā ?
Sorry just everyone I've seen but maybe it's not actually a lot of people who think this š
twilit patrol
reaper perhaps the greatest character
Sorry i don't agree
twilit patrol
Sorry just everyone I've seen but maybe it's not actually a lot of people who th...
I'm afraid 
quiet rune
Donāt put me i never thought Reaper is gay
Same
rare trail
Yeah reaper isnāt gay
He had a wife
Heās supposed to be the opposite to soldier and soldier is gay
So it wouldnāt really make sense
twilit patrol
Imagine Soldier x Reaper
austere folio
Imagine Soldier x Reaper
No need to imagine my child, the Internet is full of wondrous things
woeful stratus
I feel like Sombra is in Talon just because she's along for the ride, she doesn'...
Sheās in talon because they give her the resources to drain mfs of their money and blackmail politicians. She doesnāt really care about talon and in a way sheās there for her own ulterior motive.
lilac prairie
Sheās in talon because they give her the resources to drain mfs of their money a...
I love that. She seems like the most chill out of them all idk
woeful stratus
I love that. She seems like the most chill out of them all idk
Sheās the reason I got Overwatch!
Sheās a super cool character
twilit patrol
I got Overwatch and Soldier is the reason
rare trail
rein was my reason
lilac prairie
Matthew Mercer
I love how he played a similar cowboy role in Cyberpunk Edgerunners I recognized his voice immediately
peak escarp
it all started because of Critical Role
woeful stratus
it all started because of Critical Role
Based critical role enjoyer
rain shoal
No need to imagine my child, the Internet is full of wondrous things
lmao ikr
twilit patrol
No need to imagine my child, the Internet is full of wondrous things
You right
But i'm not your child
lyric void
sigma solos
twilit patrol
sigma solos
Reaper solos
vapid tusk
Cassidy is my reason
DVa was the reason
Now itās the shiāmada-madaā brothers
lyric void
Reaper solos
in ur dreams
twilit patrol
in ur dreams
Iām sure there's one who is agree with me
grand wedge
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
subtle leaf
whats the black watch?
warped latch
Zenyatta was my reason to get into overwatch. Then I took a break for a couple yearsā then they brought in Ramattra. Iām back xD
twilit patrol
Zenyatta was my reason to get into overwatch. Then I took a break for a couple y...
You like omnics so ?
warped latch
You like omnics so ?
Just bots in general lol. Also avid transformers enjoyer haha
twilit patrol
Okay okay
grand wedge
whats the black watch?
Blackwatch was Overwatch black-ops division - it was led by Gabriel Reyes
red violet
overwatch
subtle leaf
Blackwatch was Overwatch black-ops division - it was led by Gabriel Reyes
reaper?
twilit patrol
It's Reaper
grand wedge
Gabriel Reyes is Reaper now, yes
peak escarp
notable members of Blackwatch were
- Gabriel Reyes (Reaper)
- Cole Cassidy
- Moira O'deorain
- Genji Shimada
manic sentinel
Blackwatch was Overwatch black-ops division - it was led by Gabriel Reyes
Wdym by black ops? Like their shadier missions?
grand wedge
Wdym by black ops? Like their shadier missions?
The ones where Overwatch couldn't officially be seen yeah
grand wedge
Wdym by black ops? Like their shadier missions?
A black operation or black op is a covert or clandestine operation by a government agency, a military unit or a paramilitary organization; it can include activities by private companies or groups. Key features of a black operation are that it is secret and it is not attributable to the organization carrying it out.
So yeap, they did missions that couldn't be attached to Overwatch
manic sentinel
Ah alright, but why was OW doing stuff that was shady in the first place?
Didnāt they just fight omnic rebellions?
grand wedge
Not only no
Overwatch was the peacekeeper and also a gatekeeper of anything that could lead to a second crisis like the Omnic Crisis one.
You can see with Retribution the kind of thing they did : you have a comic and an Archive mission
manic sentinel
Ah yeah I vaguely remember playing that but Iāll have to watch a play through to fully remember it
Genji got up to some sus stuff
I can imagine McCree, moira and reaper doing covert missions but not really genji
peak escarp
Ah alright, but why was OW doing stuff that was shady in the first place?
Overwatch were global peacekeepers - sometimes you have to do a little espionage and murder in the quest for global peace
manic sentinel
Lol
robust basalt
sigma on top fr
twilit patrol
sigma on top fr
I don't know i find Reaper is very strong with his powers
robust basalt
I don't know i find Reaper is very strong with his powers
sigma is the strongest character in lore
twilit patrol
sigma is the strongest character in lore
Yes in lore but i still have doubts
Reaper is very powerful with his powers
robust basalt
sigma controls blackholes and gravity reaper has shotguns and can go invisible basically for a few seconds it won't do much against gravity
worldly gull
sigma cannot control black holes
even if he could create them he would not be able to control them indefinitely
worldly gull
yea and thats very powerful but black holes are an entirely different magnitude of "strong"
black holes are possibly time alteringly powerful, gravity makes apples fall
robust basalt
Still the strongest character sigma šš
peak escarp
Sigma is potentially the strongest
worldly gull
Have they shown the extents of Sigmas powers
peak escarp
it depends on how much he can control his powers
worldly gull
Like he could very well be limited to just making people be unable to move
It lowkey depends on what they show because there's so much you can possibly do w gravity control
ivory garnet
sigma is the strongest character in lore
in speculation yeah, theres nothing to back it up tho
robust basalt
Considering he with the power of gravity he can tear planets if he has no limit I have reason to say heās the strongest
ivory garnet
gravity powers can also be pretty weka
weak
and Overwatch verse in general is pretty weak
twilit patrol
Considering he with the power of gravity he can tear planets if he has no limit ...
You're not the only one, almost all people are telling he's the strongest.
worldly gull
Considering he with the power of gravity he can tear planets if he has no limit ...
That depends on how strong is gravity powers are lol
ivory garnet
Sigma has nothing to show he is the strongest
robust basalt
In order to control gravity you need to be able to control space space isnāt a concept that stands by itself itās intrinsically tied to time itself Sigma at full potential could hypothetically control space and time thus all of reality
Sorry for the rant I like debating ppl
rare trail
Just vague āgravity powersā
ivory garnet
its only speculation because he has gravity manip
rare trail
In order to control gravity you need to be able to control space space isnāt a c...
Wdym full potential
ivory garnet
In order to control gravity you need to be able to control space space isnāt a c...
but he wont.
robust basalt
Wdym full potential
Meaning if he ever was at his peak
rare trail
We have no idea how strong he is or could be
ivory garnet
Overwatch verse is weak
giving him all of that would be stupid
he could be like Echoes act 3
wheres its just changing the weight of something
robust basalt
To control gravity you gotta control space so š¤·
twilit patrol
@ivory garnet Tell me, are you really sure ?
ivory garnet
about?
twilit patrol
From everything you said about Sigma
worldly gull
In order to control gravity you need to be able to control space space isnāt a c...
Being able to control gravity means you can possibly control space and therefore time. I'll use the most common example and say space is a fabric, a black hole bends the fabric of space through how insanely, mind bogglingly dense it is. Sigma couldn't just "control time" or create something out of nothing
robust basalt
Being able to control gravity means you can possibly control space and therefore...
I didnāt so he could conjure things out of nothing?
Say*
peak escarp
or he could just be able to change local gravity in an area
ivory garnet
or he could just be able to change local gravity in an area
^
peak escarp
we don't know the specifics of Sigma's powers
ivory garnet
If youāve watched Jojos Bizarre Adventure, there is Echoes act 3 which controls the weight of objects which can be termed as gravity manipulation, which is very weak in terms of gravity control. In part 6 there is Jumping Jack that allows the user to make the person being affected, a vacuum of a 20meter radius, that can suck the blood out of them. Then later theres C-Moon as anothee gravity manipulation stand that quite literally shifts gravity as it pleases
peak escarp
which is why he's only speculated to be the strongest
worldly gull
I didnāt so he could conjure things out of nothing?
Being able to control reality kinda implies being able to do something like that
robust basalt
If youāve watched Jojos Bizarre Adventure, there is Echoes act 3 which controls ...
We see him in game though he able to lift things all around him also in his trailer/ lore vid we can say things floating around him implying he can do more than stop people where they stand
worldly gull
Basic telekinesis powers
ivory garnet
his origin story was theatrical
worldly gull
his origin story was fucking awesome is what is was
ivory garnet
and gameplay isnt canon for him
weāve only ever seen his primary fire, which we cant 100% say is canon
worldly gull
I've seen his feet
Why is his constume so weird
Is there a lore reason behind the OW1 and OW2 costumes being different
twilit patrol
I understood what Mikucio means
robust basalt
If weāre using what we see then he is the strongest in lore I believe
my opinion
His Flying Dutchman skin>>>
peak escarp
Is there a lore reason behind the OW1 and OW2 costumes being different
because time has passed
worldly gull
oh
ivory garnet
like 6 years
worldly gull
is there a cooler reason
peak escarp
there's about a year between Recall and Zero Hour
and then some more time between Zero Hour and the OW2 story
twilit patrol
and then some more time between Zero Hour and the OW2 story
Some days or weeks you think ?
peak escarp
probably 2 years total at most
ivory garnet
years
peak escarp
from Recall to OW2
ivory garnet
from recall to ow2 pve
rare trail
We see him in game though he able to lift things all around him also in his trai...
Origin is highly stylized and pvp isnt canon
robust basalt
Is there a possibility sigmas maestro could return?
worldly gull
i doubt it
robust basalt
Origin is highly stylized and pvp isnt canon
Exactly why I said from what weāve seen I believe hes the strongest that includes game and lord
rare trail
Sigma doesnāt really have any feats to go off of so you canāt really name him strongest
robust basalt
Lore*
rare trail
His kit in game isnāt indicative of his powers in lore
robust basalt
Thatās why I said out of everything in different words
peak escarp
we haven't seen Sigma do anything in the lore yet
rare trail
maybe heās really strong maybe he isnāt we donāt know
peak escarp
his one appearance was in Code of Violence, where he was basically part of the scenery
worldly gull
He probably wouldn't be able to time travel or tear the earth in half either way
rare trail
thereās nothing to suggest he could so
worldly gull
if you could control gravity you could maybe do that
rare trail
depends to the extent of his gravity control
worldly gull
Yea and I highly doubt he would have that much control
robust basalt
Thatās why Iām going off game basically I said out of everything in game he can basically summon a grasp capable of absorbing almost anything inside the hyperspheres contain orbs thatās my points but itās just my opinion so
peak escarp
gameplay isn't canon
robust basalt
gameplay isn't canon
Thatās why I said what weāve seen
twilit patrol
All these stuff is just a guess
rare trail
Thatās why I said what weāve seen
we havenāt seen anything
robust basalt
we havenāt seen anything
gameplay
peak escarp
you keep saying "in game"
peak escarp
in game is not canon
rare trail
it doesnāt count
robust basalt
I know itās not canon but we still see it
rare trail
gameplay canāt be used to powerscale
robust basalt
Sigma needs a cinematic
worldly gull
what is happening š
peak escarp
we also see Mercy resurrect dead heroes in the game but we know she can't actually do that
or Echo transforming into other people
robust basalt
I didnāt say it was canon though.
peak escarp
or Sombra hacking humans like Cassidy or Soldier
you're trying to base your assumptions of Sigma's power level based on what we've seen in the game
worthy rose
I mean maybe mcree being hacked,the hack could disable his robo arm in cannon.
peak escarp
yeah but that wouldn't stop him from rolling or throwing a grenade with his flesh arm
worthy rose
I mean heās holding his gun in his fleshy arm would be a bit awkward to do that but yea i get your point with the roll
peak escarp
hacking Soldier is worse
he doesn't have anything mechanical to be hacked
she might be able to disable his weapon and visor, but not him running
worthy rose
Helix rockets and his heal if you wanna stretch it that much but yea his legs are stupid
worldly gull
sombra after hacking soldier and he literally just beats the living shit out of her with his bare hands šŗšø šŗšø šŗšø šŗšø šŗšø šŗšø
manic sentinel
sombra after hacking soldier and he literally just beats the living shit out of ...
Lmao
Ok so in the lore Sigma, even when his mind was unstable, was dangerous enough to have to be locked up
But he didnāt destroy the planet with his gravity shifting or anything
twilit patrol
It would surprise me if it was advanced to destroy a planet
manic sentinel
Now he is the same strength as when he went mental, but he can just control it more accurately
Heās still limited by the constraints of something, whether thatās physics or just his mind being unable to handle that sort of power
So I think he has the potential to do a lot of damage in a local area, but nothing planet-destroying
peak escarp
he was locked up because there were gravity anomalies happening around him that he couldn't control
after Talon stole him away, he gained some control over it
manic sentinel
Like, overwatch characters have a good grasp of their powers
But they donāt have absolute power
Just because sigma has an ability to manipulate gravity, doesnāt mean he can harness it to such a strong degree that he could obliterate the planet
worldly gull
You can only apply so much physics to a guy controlling the only uncontrollable force in the cosmos
manic sentinel
When Tracer was phasing in and out of reality after her jet malfunctioned, did she know when she disappeared? Did she do anything during it?
Or would it just be like suddenly falling asleep and then waking up again
worldly gull
if she went to another universe do you think she ever saw people playing Overwatch
manic sentinel
I bet all her voice lines were gonna be Winstonās but she stole then before he could come up with them
I mean Overwatch the game could exist in the OW world
The characters in reality donāt go around fighting 5v5
Maybe theyād just see it in the same way SWAT teams see Rainbow Six Siege
peak escarp
Roadhog is Junkrat's bodyguard
rare trail
Ok so in the lore Sigma, even when his mind was unstable, was dangerous enough t...
his gravity shifting wasnt powerful enough
austere agate
I thought roadhog and junkrat were just partners in crime
I also thought roadhog isnāt actually very fond of junkrat
quiet rune
Roadhog is Junkrat's bodyguard
Huh, I never knew thatā¦
trim walrus
Did you guys know rein is actually french?
trim walrus
No
rare trail
?
prime portal
Yeah that's actually true according to magazine number 4 page 15
rare trail
shitposting is illegal actually !
prime portal
Shows his birth certificate
rare trail
you will go to jail !
trim walrus
You got me
prime portal
Yo scatter
trim walrus
hi
golden oak
I also thought roadhog isnāt actually very fond of junkrat
Heās not but he tolerates him since they have a 50/50 share from what they steal
golden oak
we haven't seen Sigma do anything in the lore yet
Didnāt he met the winstons in lunar colony
peak escarp
according to his voice lines he did
golden oak
Also from the interactions him and moira have, I feel like she knew him before talon ārecruitedā him
And before he did the experiment
peak escarp
she probably knew of him
golden oak
Yeah
peak escarp
he was a respected astrophysicist
golden oak
It feels like she doesnāt respect him as a person but does respect his science work since she does call him doctor every time
queen plaza
That could literally just be dumbed down to basic respect
Now if she called him sigma lmao, now we've got a issue
austere agate
do we not know what happened to cassidyās arm
peak escarp
not yet
austere agate
in the reunion cinematic how did he know that the deadlock gang would go for the train
he says āyouāre not one to turn down a good tipā or something like that
but who tipped off ashe
limpid agate
Its implied Cassidy himself
vapid tusk
Can someone an official source Hanzoās lore before the Dragons Cinematic
peak escarp
twilit patrol
Did you guys know rein is actually french?
Heās German not French
worthy rose
It would surprise me if it was advanced to destroy a planet
No
That would basically be a drastic shift in power
From street level to planet busting wouldn't make much sense
keen summit
His name is actually rĆØinhardt
Yes, thats a germanic name aswell
rain shoal
I mean Overwatch the game could exist in the OW world
The characters in reality ...
Thereās an overwatch show in the lore
limpid agate
Yeah its a cartoon
Efi was a fan of it
Roadhog might have been too, based on Catch-a-Mari. But thats questionably canon
solemn mauve
Dva is Korean, mei is Chinese but what are hanzo,Genji and Kirko, itās in my brain but I canāt find it
solemn mauve
Okay it makes sense
golden oak
Hanamura and Kanezaka are in Tokyo?
twilit patrol
I donāt know about Kanezaka
manic sentinel
he says āyouāre not one to turn down a good tipā or something like that
š³
weary flax
So like how did junkrat get here?
golden oak
I donāt know about Kanezaka
Itās close to Hanamura afaik
limpid agate
Hanamura and Kanezaka are in Tokyo?
Yes
heady tangle
I think widow is canonically my girlfriend
golden oak
Also was it explained why Hanzo has 2 dragons while genji has only 1
golden oak
Also was it explained why Hanzo has 2 dragons while genji has only 1
Or is it a metaphor for something
limpid agate
Or made up entirely
Made up entirely
And no its not explained
Up until Kiriko, the dragons weren't magic because there was no magic in Overwatch
But now they're magic so who the hell knows
grand wedge
Also was it explained why Hanzo has 2 dragons while genji has only 1
There is no lore explanation yet, but it's a gameplay reason : having just 1 dragon for the ultimate was not looking good and didn't read well, so two dragon it was.
twilit patrol
Hanzo has two dragons and one of them is to symbolize the death of his brother?
golden oak
There is no lore explanation yet, but it's a gameplay reason : having just 1 dra...
Not really they could pull of just 1 dragon flying
grand wedge
Not really they could pull of just 1 dragon flying
That's the explanation they gave us, you don't have to like it but that's their story about why 2 dragons and not just 1
tulip axle
Also was it explained why Hanzo has 2 dragons while genji has only 1
some say it is because of his inner dilemma and guilt of what he did to his brother
peak escarp
they made the hitbox for the ult too big, so they filled it with 2 dragons spiraling
golden oak
some say it is because of his inner dilemma and guilt of what he did to his brot...
Sounds like a stretch
tulip axle
Sounds like a stretch
peak escarp
there probably isn't a reason
peak escarp
yep
wind portal
I think the best logical reason is that the 2nd dragon represents Genji in a way, since Hanzo nearly killed him.
twilit patrol
I think the best logical reason is that the 2nd dragon represents Genji in a way...
Thatās what i meant
peak escarp
but he didn't actually kill him
and magic dragons would know that
the most logical explanation is that Hanzo has always had twin dragons
twilit patrol
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
snow dock
for real it's because twin dragons looked cooler
worldly gull
me when I lie
past copper
So, if Overwatch is doing crossovers every now and then, what shows you think are gonna be used?
I think it depends on popularity
limpid agate
Can't establish a pattern without a second
golden oak
I mean could be some other anime as well
golden oak
Also not really a crossover but they did say theyāre planning to do something similar like the pink mercy skin event
snow dock
Halo crossover would be so perfect.
peak escarp
they said they'd like to do more charity events in the future
rain shoal
i saw a video 3 months ago of all the currently playable heroes with lines about reviving allies for the pve, i hope that could mean the archives would return, maybe with a new mission.
i kinda doubt that they would rollout the main pve before blizzcon
peak escarp
similar to the Archives missions
past copper
Animated cut scenes and playing the game
Probably all starting out like demo
Beginning with a cut scene, establish a plan of attack, separate into a four man team and the game mission begins
Possibly cut scenes between missions and not just the end
Also, I think a possibility for a crossover event would Star Wars. Just a guess
Whatever the case. Just hope they donāt go overboard like Fortnite did
peak escarp
we don't know yet
people are expecting the PvE to be paid somehow, while the PvP will remain free, but that's just guesses
ivory garnet
im guessing its like Halo Infinite
you pay for the PvE/story mode
i think they made a good change
10$ for the 4 reskins of each hero
$15 for other/events
or seasonals
and 20 for new skins
it solely matters if you like it
peak escarp
yes
austere agate
so in the cinematic where they fight over dooms gauntlet, at the start the kids are watching some holovid talking about overwatch heros and what not
why are lucio zen and bastion shown when they arenāt part of ow
peak escarp
because that was made before the majority of the lore was writen
austere agate
fair enough
wonder what the possibility of one of those kids becoming a hero is
the teen should be old enough by now
rare trail
He should be in his twenties iirc
austere agate
I think he would be very fitting
tracer says āthe world could always use more herosā
also he could be considered ācuteā but itās probably a stretch for the newest hero
peak escarp
the older boy looked like he was 15
it's only been 2 years max since then
he would not be in his twenties
austere agate
oh then if heās only 17-18 I canāt really see them adding him but who knows
tepid sinew
Junker Queen isnt evil right? Like shes def a psychopath or sum like that but she hasnt done anything horrible and she isnt like anything other than the queen of junker town?
She just wanted to be the queen of junker town as well cuz like some with her family and she was a wastelander and no wastelander was every a ruler of junkertown or sum like that
delicate swan
Junker Queen isnt evil right? Like shes def a psychopath or sum like that but sh...
My honest opinion : 
rare trail
Junker Queen isnt evil right? Like shes def a psychopath or sum like that but sh...
Sheās very racist
Does a little trolling to omnics
(genocide)
austere agate
(genocide)
how? I thought she killed omnics but genocide?
and arenāt all junkers kinda inherently racist towards omnics
wind portal
she dislikes omnics because ravagers were/are attacking Junkertown
rare trail
I think killing every omnic is cringe and genocidal !
rare trail
and arenāt all junkers kinda inherently racist towards omnics
Erm inherently racist doesnāt exist racism is learnt not born
But yeah every junker we know is racist
austere agate
yea thatās basically what I meant, but youāre right thanks for clarifying
rare trail
she dislikes omnics because ravagers were/are attacking Junkertown
When is this stated + omnics attacking a very anti omnic place could just be because theyāre anti omnic rather than that being the cause of the anti omnic beliefs
And junkers are mainly racist because an omnium blew up and caused to place to be a wasteland
Jq is just racist because her parents were racist so she was taught that
and everyone around her is racist
Her parents were probably around when Australia became a wasteland
austere agate
But yeah every junker we know is racist
what about hammond?
I donāt think he would be but idk
rare trail
Idk he might be
Probably grew up around omnics though so he might not be racist
Is the ball an omnic ?
onyx vigil
is doom dating lucio
peak escarp
no
onyx vigil
:(
keen summit
like Siri or Alexa
Yeah + google Translate for hamsters automatically
keen summit
doom and Lucio donāt like each other
Yeah he knows, they tried to be funny but failed
golden oak
Junker Queen isnt evil right? Like shes def a psychopath or sum like that but sh...
She killed omnics for no reason
You can even see omnic parts on her armour
Like trophies
So I guess you could even say she did it for fun
golden oak
what about hammond?
Probably no since he didnāt grew up there just visited there because he happened to land nearby
echo monolith
is doom dating lucio
Bro what
twilit patrol
is doom dating lucio
???
idle berry
river osprey
Is the ball an omnic ?
I guess
Though itās a mech that does not really have free will
Which means itās probably not an omnic
limpid agate
Free will isnt the definition of omnic
Echo has free will
Echo is not an omnic
The OR15s did not have free will
The OR15s were omnics
worthy rose
So who was the first omnic to get freewill?
limpid agate
Aurora
manic sentinel
junkers are racist because australia got ruined after an omnium was constructed there lol
By the way, why does Kiriko act like shes a teenager or something?
She was childhood friends with genji and Hanzo, who are both in their mid/late 30s
limpid agate
Because she is not very well written
manic sentinel
lmao
limpid agate
There isnt an excuse or reason or anything
She's just straight up the worst character in the franchise
In every respect
manic sentinel
š
limpid agate
She has a different personality in the game than she does in the short
And she has a third personality in her short story
Its just a mess
manic sentinel
what are the 3 personalities like?
limpid agate
Inconsistent
manic sentinel
wait til you see her on her bike
weak knot
guys, honestly what does the inside of hammonds ball look like
golden oak
By the way, why does Kiriko act like shes a teenager or something?
In her early twenties I guess,
Her age wasnāt announced
tepid sinew
Sheās very racist
oh right, forgot that lol. Well i dont like playing the omnic characters either but i love playing JQ and playing with myself to JQ so idrc
twilit patrol
Sheās very racist
Racist with omnics?
golden oak
Yes
tepid sinew
By the way, why does Kiriko act like shes a teenager or something?
shes a lot younger than them and she also is a complete loser character I hate kiriko's personality, looks, voice, and fighting her in game makes se so genuinely sad
tepid sinew
Racist with omnics?
omnics arent real people so its not really racism š
twilit patrol
shes a lot younger than them and she also is a complete loser character I hate k...
I think Kiriko is cute
tepid sinew
I think Kiriko is cute
i hate her stupid fox hat and she doesnt even have an exaggerated lower half like the rest of OW women
peak escarp
?
golden oak
Um
twilit patrol
I think also Kiriko was made for the fan service
twilit patrol
i hate her stupid fox hat and she doesnt even have an exaggerated lower half lik...
You really hate it 
tepid sinew
You really hate it <:KirikoRage:1047085053261389826>
i moire hate her hair tbh, the hats fine
peak escarp
yes, the "exaggerated lower half" of Pharah, Ana, Zarya, Symmetra...
tepid sinew
dude her animation too all her dialogue makes me so sick and i cringe so hard that shi is actually so hard to watch
peak escarp
just say that you don't like that her ass is covered
tepid sinew
yes, the "exaggerated lower half" of Pharah, Ana, Zarya, Symmetra...
zaryas whole body is exaggerated, sym has a big one idk what your talkin about, ana has a good shape and pharah just takes imagination
tepid sinew
just say that you don't like that her ass is covered
š
twilit patrol
I like Kiriko because she's very cute
tepid sinew
brudda kiriko is actually like a wooden board go to her character in the hero menu and just roate it sideways lol
i sound like a complete degenerate
peak escarp
yes you do
tepid sinew
but she really doesnt follow the formula of a lot of OW women
peak escarp
glad you realize it
tepid sinew
also you saying that i dont like her ass being covered doesnt make sense
like every OW girl wears pants im pretty sure aside from a few skins
manic sentinel
š¤Ø
peak escarp
that's not what I mean
twilit patrol
I don't know what he want say honestly
tepid sinew
that's not what I mean
what did you mean
twilit patrol
It's complicated
peak escarp
covered as in she has those flaps over her lower body
tepid sinew
covered as in she has those flaps over her lower body
oh yeah
peak escarp
yes all the Overwatch women wear pants or some kind of covering
if you don't like those then use one of her casual skins
tepid sinew
idrc about those
i dont play characters and i dont like/dislike characters based on ass size im just sayin what i see yk what i mean
this is an odd "lore" discussion should we stop this conversation?
twilit patrol
As you want
tepid sinew
is mercys revive ability sum she does like in lore or just gameplay
cuz that shi dont make no sense
worthy rose
No it's not canon
twilit patrol
is mercys revive ability sum she does like in lore or just gameplay
No it's just ability in game
tepid sinew
ok
peak escarp
tepid sinew
what about JQ's axe is that in canon or nah
peak escarp
this is what resurrect looks like in the lore
tepid sinew
cuz that doesnt seem realistic
peak escarp
what's not realistic about it, it's an axe
peak escarp
she's strong
tepid sinew
but it looks heavy
peak escarp
have you seen her muscles?
tepid sinew
have you seen her muscles?
trust me bro ive inspected her muscles š¤¤
twilit patrol
But why JQ is very tall ?
peak escarp
because she is?
twilit patrol
Womens can be tall like this ?
manic sentinel
trust me bro ive inspected her muscles š¤¤
Youāre a degen
peak escarp
her height is unusual, but it's not beyond human possibility
and she did grow up in an irradiated wasteland
manic sentinel
Womens can be tall like this ?
In the world where gorillas are born on the moon and speak English, yeah
JQ being strong and tall is one of the less weird things going on by far
whole flare
Womens can be tall like this ?
the tallest woman in the world currently is just a little over 7 feet or 215 centimeters
woeful stratus
i hate her stupid fox hat and she doesnt even have an exaggerated lower half lik...
Bombastic side eye
Not every girl is gonna have a fatty
You must learn to appreciate ladies as they are
austere agate
and her fox hat is cute
woeful stratus
the tallest woman in the world currently is just a little over 7 feet or 215 cen...
Fuck yeah
woeful stratus
and her fox hat is cute
Eh. I like it because a kid she cares about gave it to her.
twilit patrol
You must learn to appreciate ladies as they are
austere agate
I dunno people hate kiriko but I like her, I feel like itās hard to bring in a brand new character to an already established lore
woeful stratus
I dunno people hate kiriko but I like her, I feel like itās hard to bring in a b...
I like her but I feel like her writing is weak
Itās inconsistent
tepid sinew
You must learn to appreciate ladies as they are
i dont appreciate kiko and its mostly cuz shes annoying asf
whole flare
I like kiriko for her potential but they keep fumbling on her writing outside of her cinematic
tepid sinew
"ive got a few tricks" "wait till you see me on my bike" "go push a rock up a hill"
woeful stratus
They could do better than what theyāve done so far
woeful stratus
"ive got a few tricks" "wait till you see me on my bike" "go push a rock up a hi...
The third one is a Greek mythology reference
woeful stratus
I like kiriko for her potential but they keep fumbling on her writing outside of...
This is exactly what I mean
tepid sinew
The third one is a Greek mythology reference
so its not allowed to be annoying?
austere agate
if sheās in hanzos new short story, maybe we can get some clarification on her backstory
woeful stratus
Sheās a cute character but likeā¦ not written well
whole flare
"ive got a few tricks" "wait till you see me on my bike" "go push a rock up a hi...
yeah even I can agree that her game dialogue is horrible. its like they recorded all her lines before her lore was even done
woeful stratus
so its not allowed to be annoying?
I wouldnāt know broski I donāt pay attention to voice lines unless theyāre voice interactions or engaging audio cues
Focusing too hard on whatās goin on in my matches
austere agate
she may have her flaws
but wait till you see her on her bike
then itāll all make sense
whole flare
if sheās in hanzos new short story, maybe we can get some clarification on her b...
it feels odd to me how she interacts with hanzo so far given he attempted to kill his brother and her childhood friend, I donāt know how she wouldnāt know about that or atleast genji disappearing
stray quail
i dont know a shit about overwatches plot
red violet
Junkrat is packing canonically
cyan spire
Junkrat is packing canonically
like calcium cannonically?
red violet
Yes
twilit patrol
cyan spire
<:JunkratShock:585666073685393409>
would u smash junkrat?
cyan spire
leave then š
twilit patrol
Ok ok š
cyan spire
Ok ok š
what abt sigma š
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
golden oak
What kind of bike is it
I think itās a motorbike
In other languages itās translated as motorbike
I donāt think she would be flexing a bicycle
rain shoal
ikr imagine flexing a bicycle on the year 2070+
heavy pewter
im trying to get potg with all heros, i did all tanks & damage now i just need healer, i need help with mercy
i need an ana to nano me
rare trail
!!lfg
twilit nacelleBOT
manic sentinel
I feel like Mercy isn't actually that kind a character
she's good to the people she likes, but is unhelpful to others, even when it comes to medical advice
she also seems kinda arrogant
I know voice lines aren't cannon as in they didn't actually happen, but I imagine it's accurate to what the hero would say if they were in a team with these random people
Junkrat has concerns about an (irradiated) infection he has
And Mercy basically just tells him to shut up
peak escarp
she does have some sass
iron plume
Mercy is kind
but she's not nice
worldly gull
she does have some sass
i thought this said ass and that you finally broke character
peak escarp
wind portal
I feel like Mercy isn't actually that kind a character
Mercy has that mom energy lmao, if it's not people she likes or genji she's slightly rude too lmao
ivory garnet
i thought this said ass and that you finally broke character
that made me laugh
ivory garnet
Junkrat has concerns about an (irradiated) infection he has
And Mercy basically ...
could also be due to him being a world renown criminal worth 25 mil
golden oak
Yeah she doesnāt like morally wrong characters
manic sentinel
Doctors literally swear an oath
And part of that is to help people regardless of their background
rare trail
i mean she still heals them
we've never seen her not heal someone because of moral differences
manic sentinel
I mean with the junkrat one, she just trolls him
rare trail
ig so but thats mid battle so eh
manic sentinel
Itās a pre-fight conversation
rare trail
oh it is?
eh idk 30 seconds away from fighting isnt quite the time to treat someone
and voice lines arent canon anyways
manic sentinel
Yeah but even without what she says to people she doesnāt like, she doesnāt come off as exactly the most humble
iron plume
I mean would you be
manic sentinel
Bro literally goes around in an Angel costume
worldly gull
eh idk 30 seconds away from fighting isnt quite the time to treat someone
That's literally what doctors do
Sometimes you can't get people off the battlefield
idk what were talking about i just hope mercy chooses me
iron plume
Doctors who are protected by the Geneva Conventions preventing people from shooting them or their patients
not ones who are about to get domed
but either way the banter isn't really representative of their actions
It's not like she can fix that infection in that time anyway
rare trail
That's literally what doctors do
its not an immediate thing
regardless pvp isnt canon
worldly gull
yea I was talking more irl tbf
iron plume
and we've seen that she does treat people she dislikes
She blames soldier for like 80% of what's gone wrong with her life and she helps him in Bastet
worldly gull
as a doctor should
manic sentinel
Wel yeah, sheās mean to soldier too
iron plume
no hornyposting
worldly gull
im kidding
manic sentinel
But yeah, sheās far from the worst person on the roster
But she comes off as a bit of a narcissist to me
ivory garnet
she has a reason to be mean
as i said, world renown criminal
and she probably would try to help
but I would tell junkrat to shut up aswell
wind portal
But she comes off as a bit of a narcissist to me
I mean, when you've been in the field since like what, 17 and have been around a whole bunch of people as a battle medic, your personality does change lmao
peak escarp
she was a student at 17
didnt become a surgeon or join Overwatch until 22
a lot of her gruffness comes from growing up around Torbjorn
since she's a "family friend" of his
golden oak
This reminds me of that one voice line between bastion and Zenyatta where zen says that heās beginning to act similar to torbjorn
I guess torbjornās personality is infectious
prime portal
Brigg is not related to torb because he's small and she's normal
trim walrus
True i've seen in lore she's just his cousin
warped latch
Oh man you guys are gonna love punnett squares when you finally reach the 8th grade
peak escarp
people with dwarfism can have normal children
even when both parents have it
Brigitte's mom is normal, so it's likely most of Brigitte's siblings are normal too
prime portal
Is that a pic of their family
trim walrus
Is the guy torb?
peak escarp
no that's the family from Little People Big World
prime portal
So then that's not lore
peak escarp
So then that's not lore
it's not lore, but it is science
sick coral
question
prime portal
Oh wait I get it rein is her dad that is why she isn't small
worthy rose
Didnāt widowmaker killed the leader of omnics or something like that
sick coral
is torbjorn brigs daddy or is rein her daddy
peak escarp
Torbjorn is her father
trim walrus
Why isn't hog there?
ivory garnet
he is her godfather
peak escarp
Ingrid is her mother
worthy rose
Ya
prime portal
He's a god?
prime portal
Ingrid is her mother
Is she a new support
ivory garnet
Didnāt widowmaker killed the leader of omnics or something like that
she killed an omnic speaker
there is no leader of the omnics
ivory garnet
Is she a new support
Ingrid has no reason of being a support, so no, she is not likely
prime portal
So santa is lore in ow?
trim walrus
Is that zarya?
peak escarp
no
prime portal
Why are none of the kids dwarves
worthy rose
she killed an omnic speaker
Oh ok
worthy rose
she killed an omnic speaker
What is its name
ivory garnet
Mondatta
worthy rose
Oh ok
ivory garnet
he protested for equality across humans and omnics iirc
prime portal
So widow is racist
sick coral
No it was zenyatta
IT WAS ?
trim walrus
When did they release sombra again?
trim walrus
Widow just did her job
She a janitor?
sick coral
shouldnāt widow be apart of black watch
trim walrus
shouldnāt widow be apart of black watch
Why not white watch huh?
prime portal
shouldnāt widow be apart of black watch
But she's purple
lilac palm
blue
peak escarp
youāre so patient itās kinda funny
this is a serious discussion channel - I take things seriously
trim walrus
So do we
prime portal
I'm confused
trim walrus
Just asking question dingle doodle
prime portal
Is dva Chinese?
ivory garnet
Kim Jon Un isnt alive during Overwatch
trim walrus
Why not?
ivory garnet
its in the 2070s
sick coral
š
trim walrus
I wanna play kim ling ling
sick coral
this is a serious discussion channel - I take things seriously
i can see that
prime portal
i can see that
Stop being rude
sick coral
WHAT I DO
prime portal
Yes
prime portal
dabs
young lily
What is the thing on the back of sigmas head
Is it a mind control device or the only thing that keeps sigma alive, by stabilizing his head (the area where the black hole teared through it)
upbeat lotus
this is related to an original character i'm trying to make
does overwatch canon have any examples of nanobots currently existing
limpid agate
No.
upbeat lotus
yeah that's. hmn
what would it take for someone to invent nanobots believably speaking
much less them communicating as a hivemind/swarm... or uploading his own brain into the swarm
peak escarp
Ramattra uses nanites
there are no examples of anyone uploading their brain to a computer though
upbeat lotus
yeah that's
lemme fetch the character profile in question
the t-3000 terminator may have inspired some of this o o p
this character is a massive work in progress. how can i better fit them into existing overwatch lore
upbeat lotus
i want them to have a decently close relationship with genji and zenyatta as well so that's. hm
young lily
Are omnics one of a kind?
like if they die thatās it, they cannot be saved through accessing their memory port from their body or something like that
limpid agate
That's right
raw lion
ever thought of where kiriko's dad is?
limpid agate
He's with the Hashimoto
rain shoal
Why are none of the kids dwarves
Dwarfism is commonly a dominant gene but in some cases itās recessive
snow dock
I thought Torb wasn't actually a dwarf, he's just really short
fresh crown
then why is brigitte like average height
peak escarp
because dwarfs can have normal children
tall temple
bronze mica
Wrong!
agile quiver
manic sentinel
but I would tell junkrat to shut up aswell
Toxic
golden oak
Almost every character in the game is annoyed by Junkrat tho
manic sentinel
Junkrat is fucking mental and a criminal
But so is Roadhog, and people treat him fine
ivory garnet
because he isnt annoying
Roadhog is quite tame as a social person
not as eccentric like junkrat
barren plaza
Pretty sure everyone likes a person who doesnāt speak rather than someone who speaks to much.
manic sentinel
I mean would you like a guy who didnāt speak, hung around you with a massive shotgun, and was renowned for being a murderer and terrorist?
barren plaza
I would take that over junkrat anyday.
manic sentinel
Lol
manic sentinel
Theyāre all desert crackheads
barren plaza
Iāll take the guard anyday of the year
manic sentinel
Roadhog still was a bad person before he met junkrat
barren plaza
Actually not
manic sentinel
He lets like a gang of robbers live purely because he thought people deserved them lol
But apart from that, he just kills people
golden oak
But so is Roadhog, and people treat him fine
Not everyone, brig criticised his tactics (pulling enemies closer) and reaper was also hostile towards him
barren plaza
In terms of lore. He was a normal person until the Omnic uprising.
The Omnics destroyed his home and then he joined a resistance
manic sentinel
Not everyone, brig criticised his tactics (pulling enemies closer) and reaper wa...
Thatās true, he just trolls her
But thatās not really an insult on his character
golden oak
And Junker Queen also
barren plaza
After the Resistence is when he went to junkertown
Met junkrat
And became a criminal
manic sentinel
He definitely was doing shady stuff before that
In the comic before he meets junkrat, itās already said that he shouldnāt be seen in junkertown anymore
golden oak
Heās labelled as a merciless murderer in his character bio
manic sentinel
In the comic before he meets junkrat, itās already said that he shouldnāt be see...
He also starts this comic by robbing people for drug money
Or whatever is in his canister
I like to think Roadhog wears a gas mask purely so he can hotbox it with canister fumes
golden oak
He wears it either because of radiation or because heās a criminal and wants to hide his identity
coral breach
Is the mercyĆgenji canon? or just hinted. (Not game interaction wise, lore wise)
twilit patrol
Greetings
coral breach
šš» hello
ivory garnet
Is the mercyĆgenji canon? or just hinted. (Not game interaction wise, lore wise)
its shown, not confirmed tho
theyāre most likely to be canon