lore-discussion

[rare trail]

he doesnt have the power of a black hole

he has some control over gravity we dont know how much

[limpid agate]

He is potentially the strongest member of talon

Depends on his power

There is still a chance that Doomfist is stronger

[rare trail]

based off of like what we know doom or reaper are strongest talon members but a highball sigma is stronger

[wind portal]

based on what we've seen, Reaper is stronger than Sigma, but Doom is stronger than Reaper

speculatively, Sigma should be stronger than both of them

but that's a pretty bad argument

[peak escarp]

Reaper hasn't fought Sigma

or Doomfist

so we haven't seen how they compare

Doomfist has beaten Orisa, then lost to her in the rematch

Reaper was beaten by Winston twice

[viscid flame]

Overall its a mostly fruitless endeavor to determine which hero is the strongest out of all them in the lore, because how do you define their strength?

Symmetra is as powerful as her creativity, but she's still a human and lacks in durability, Orisa doesn't have hard-light but she's a literal Tank, and can be continually upgraded and trained in weapons, Doomfist doesn't have crack-shot aim but he's got a gauntlet that can delete whatever is infront of it and his plans are responsible for the present narrative in OW

They are all the best in their field, any fight requires context and a fight between the characters in the lore will depend on that and who the writers want to win

[hot roost]

sigma the most powerful lorewise

[ivory garnet]

in speculation yeah

[royal adder]

Do you guys get the lore from the short films?

[worthy rose]

And comics

[quiet rune]

Thats what gave him his powers... so its a reasonable assumption the source of his power is a good gauge as to what he could do...

[quiet rune]

Hey dont say that in front of moira, she basically has control over Reaper, Widow, and nos Sigma... so yk

[quiet rune]

After she got reworked by Efi. important detail. Efi knows what it takes to beat Doomfist

[peak escarp]

Moira doesn't control anyone

[quiet rune]

She kinda does because she created Reaper + Widow, and Sigma is with her almost always as we now know

[peak escarp]

that doesn't mean she controls them

[quiet rune]

She has at least some power over them

she is also a devious MF

who I assume puts her own self intrests above others'

[ivory garnet]

she has no power over them

[peak escarp]

does your doctor control you?

[quiet rune]

No

because my doctor isnt a self experimenting psycopath

who kept me from dying by turning me into a murder ghost

[peak escarp]

that still doesn't mean she controls them

they have free will, and no obligation to her

[quiet rune]

This is mostly just speculation, but I would go out on a limb and say she probably did something to them so she can manipulate them

That is just what I would honestly do if I were her at least

[peak escarp]

she might manipulate them, or ask requests of them, but they don't have to obey her

[quiet rune]

2 cold blooded killers secretly under my thumb

[peak escarp]

even Widowmaker, who everyone claims is brainwashed, has enough free will to choose her own missions, visit her husband's grave

[quiet rune]

Yea, agreed. but we will see what lore the PvE story will brings us

[quiet rune]

True true

I meant more the cold blooded killer

Moira also understands (at least Widow) on a deeper level. She can tell when she is showing emotion when she shouldnt be

[quiet rune]

Yea, this is more what i meant i guess. but you never know with moira

[viscid flame]

That bit in the short story with her saving Reyes was great. Didn't do it for Talon, not out of friendship

Just did it because "hey, he's going to die and I got these chemicals right here, soooooo"

[quiet rune]

lol

didnt know that

[peak escarp]

Moira isn't a grand manipulator, not like Sombra

[quiet rune]

mad scientist moment

[quiet rune]

Yea (as far as we know)

I just get that vibe from her

but im just speculating

[peak escarp]

I'd say Moira is the most honest member of Talon - you know exactly what she wants from you

[quiet rune]

Moira is a free spirit, who is up for whatever

[quiet rune]

yea, even if it's ur life >:}

[peak escarp]

her motives are also clear - she doesn't want power or money or influence

she just cares about science

[quiet rune]

kinda power tho

power of science

[peak escarp]

she has a lot in common with GladOS from Portal

[quiet rune]

Also funding for science

probably

which is part of the reason she is with talon probably

[quiet rune]

Yea I can see that, they also sound similar

[peak escarp]

funding and test subjects

[quiet rune]

Yup

Wait

I forget

Is moira an anime fan

cuz her ult is basically a kame hame ha

[peak escarp]

the devs are anime fans

[quiet rune]

lol

[peak escarp]

I doubt Moira herself is

[quiet rune]

yea

for the same reasons as Doomfist + Soldier?

[peak escarp]

yes

[snow dock]

the voice actress for Moira could easily play her in live action. she even kind of looked like Moira in Andor

[quiet rune]

bro she was in Andor?

[peak escarp]

a lot of the voice actors could play their hero in live action

but I'd rather have an animated series

[quiet rune]

Vox Machina, now Andor? What other shows are OW chracters in?

[quiet rune]

Cassidy

for one

[quiet rune]

but same

[quiet rune]

proof

[peak escarp]

not even a challenge

[quiet rune]

thats just what he wears every saturday

thats not a costume

/j

[peak escarp]

a few of the VAs have cosplayed their heroes

[quiet rune]

as they should

they look awesome in the costumes

[peak escarp]

but I think they should stick with animation

Arcane showed that an animated series can be successful

[quiet rune]

The animation for the overwatch shorts is so good, they could make a movie with it. Ive thought it many times

Yea

[peak escarp]

maybe someday

[quiet rune]

I never really watched Arcane, but I can 100% apreciate the animation

[peak escarp]

the lead artist on Arcane was Nesskain, who did most of the OW origin trailers

unfortunately he has left Blizzard

[ivory garnet]

we could also just have the people who animate the cinematics work on a show lol

[peak escarp]

yeah

[ivory garnet]

because the reason Arcane looked so stunning is because Im pretty sure most of the people that worked on it also worked on the Valorant cinematics

which since are both made by Riot, have similar designs

[quiet rune]

fair

[chilly dawn]

where can i watch the lore?

or read it?

[rare sundial]

YouTube

Search for overwatch cinematics

[peak escarp]

the links are in the pins on this channel

[rare sundial]

Really?

[chilly dawn]

thanks mate

[past copper]

They could make a movie, but there’s few places that would try it for obvious reasons

[rare sundial]

I wish they made a movie

[past copper]

HBOmax/WarnerBros would start it, then screw the creators over

Highly doubt Disney would do it, even though their animated shows are pretty good

[peak escarp]

it would be best if they did it themselves

[rare sundial]

With the animation they have from previous animations, they could easily hit some good ratings

[peak escarp]

rather than farming it out to another studio

[rare sundial]

They would just need the right director for the story

[past copper]

They could try it, but making an animated series or movie something that takes a lot of time

[chilly dawn]

disney should if theres gonna be enough money back

[past copper]

And people really

Well, I only said Disney bc of the Clone Wars and Bad Batch animation

[rare sundial]

Disney is falling off with their movies ngl

[past copper]

Their movies maybe, not their shows

At least their live action movies made from animated movies

[rare sundial]

Ya

[past copper]

And the other possibility to try an Overwatch series is Netflix

[rare sundial]

They did arcane

Why not overwatch at this point

[past copper]

Bc Blizzard has to sign a contract and make a deal with them

It might also be bc the Overwatch universe is still expanding

[rare sundial]

Oh

Going back to that, they need to stop adding more characters from the lore of junkertown

Maybe add a character from oasis

[past copper]

With each new hero or map added, the Overwatch world grows

Wut mean?

[rare sundial]

Or.. maybe a character from helix security

[peak escarp]

a series would be far better than a movie

[chilly dawn]

they still making bread tho

[past copper]

Junker Queen is literally the first Junker hero added years after Ball

[peak escarp]

we already have Moira

[rare sundial]

True

[rare sundial]

Why not add one more person then?

[past copper]

Look. We already have 2 supports and 1 tank on the way

[rare sundial]

oooOoo

[past copper]

If I remember, one of the supports gets added next season

[peak escarp]

yes

[rare sundial]

cool

[peak escarp]

probably connected to the Collective

which is featured on Esperança

[past copper]

Well, it depends what role they play in the OWW

[rare sundial]

What is the collective?

[past copper]

Are they a hero? Villain? Something in between

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/The_Collective

probably a hero

[molten shore]

So is the one punch man anime cannon to overwatch

[peak escarp]

it exists in the OW universe, if that's what you mean

[rain shoal]

take a shot everytime that question is asked here^^^

[rare trail]

sigma orisa winston symmetra

[ivory garnet]

Sigma/Symmetra in speculation
Winston/Orisa in feats shown

[tired night]

bru you mean doomfist???

doom is much more stronger than winton

and doom killed all the orisa robots from nubani

but sigma is the strongest in the entirety of OverWatch

[ivory garnet]

winston beat doom lol

and sigma has shown no powers

doomfist is 6th strongest or 5th

matters if u have a bias of reaper or doom

[warped latch]

yo I have a question. Who is the strongest hero lore wi—

[jovial nimbus]

Doom severely out classes widow, widow is in a group with reaper and sombra, in the infiltration cinematic showing the 3 are of the same "league" in term of strength reaper beats winston in one of the first cinematics

[ivory garnet]

Winston beat doom

[shadow marsh]

Also Orisa beat doom twice too

[ivory garnet]

theres no getting around that

Winston beat Doom in 1 punch if Im not mistaken

might be wrong on that

[jovial nimbus]

Bro doom killed almost all the orisas from nubani

[ivory garnet]

but ik he beat Doom in singapore

those are Or-15s, not Orisa

[peak escarp]

it's implied to be a single punch

[jovial nimbus]

Same material

[ivory garnet]

ah ty

[ivory garnet]

Same material yet Orisa can catch and withstand his punches with no damage done

Her and Lucio drove Doom out of Numbani

[jovial nimbus]

Where are you getting this from

[ivory garnet]

her novel

Hero of Numbani

and we know Winston beat Doom due to him being in jail for 6 months (i think it was that long) during his origin story, and him getting picked up in Masquerade

[jovial nimbus]

So

Doom beats everyone

[peak escarp]

for 5 years

[ivory garnet]

no

[ivory garnet]

ty

Doom cant beat Winston and Orisa

and Sigma and Symm MOST LIKELY beat Doom

[shadow marsh]

Reaper is 50/50

[ivory garnet]

and as I said before, Reaper vs Doom is whoever u have a bias for

[jovial nimbus]

The definition for doom is death, destruction, or some other terrible fate

Case closed

[shadow marsh]

Sorry to break it to you buddy, but doom couldn't budge a fortified Orisa

[jovial nimbus]

Wait till rework

[shadow marsh]

And chased him out of Numbani, clearly indicating he didn't fight back

"Making a coward run is no challenge"

[jovial nimbus]

💀 nah idek what to say bro

You win lol

[ivory garnet]

ur bringing up PvP vs lore lol

[jovial nimbus]

Its all i could think of 🤣

[peak escarp]

a lot of Doomfist's reputation is exaggerated

[ivory garnet]

like his “skyscraper leveling punch”

[peak escarp]

they say he could level a skyscraper, but no indication that he actually can

[ivory garnet]

is Doom’s Saitama cosplay the only one with an overwatch logo on it

that’d be kinda funny considering he is a bad guy but wearing an overwatch charm

[peak escarp]

does it?

[ivory garnet]

yeah, on the zipper

[shadow marsh]

So far in lore the only one who can beat him is a Gorilla(Capable of tearing your limbs with no effort in real life) and an Omnic built to beat him. No humans are able to best him yet

[peak escarp]

well it's not like he's an ordinary human himself

he's a cyborg

[gloomy radish]

No-

[gloomy radish]

He’s not

[ivory garnet]

he is

[shadow marsh]

He is

[gloomy radish]

Your able to remove his arm

[gloomy radish]

He is!)

!?*

[ivory garnet]

u can remove anyones arm

[gloomy radish]

Gauntlet*

[ivory garnet]

he has a fist that can shoot and a prosthetic arm

[gloomy radish]

Shit

I forgot

[ivory garnet]

heres the overwatch charm tho Doctor Six

full photo

[peak escarp]

huh so it does

[ivory garnet]

i cant seem to find one for Soldier, Kiriko, or Genji from what we are shown

[peak escarp]

he is - his right arm is cybernetic underneath the gauntlet

Akande Ogundimu was the son of a wealthy Nigerian family who owned a prosthetic-technology company. Well-trained and proficient in a wide spectrum of bone-shattering fighting styles, Ogundimu’s stellar professional fighting career was cut short with the loss of his right arm during the Omnic Crisis. And while his family’s technology could replace his arm, without the challenge and crucible of competition, Ogundimu felt utterly lost. In that time, he searched for something to devote himself to. It was only when the current Doomfist, Akinjide Adeyemi, tapped him to join his ranks that Ogundimu saw his way forward.

[ivory garnet]

so is his other arm also a prosthetic?

or is it normal

[peak escarp]

his left arm is normal, although he has implants in his knuckles for the pellet gun

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

[molten shore]

Yes

Thanks

Does this mean other animes could be cannon to it

[ivory garnet]

yes

[molten shore]

Specifically transformers headmasters

[ivory garnet]

if they decide to do a Transformers collabyes

collab yes*

[molten shore]

That would be cool

Bastion kinda looks like and has a skin that basically is shockwave

So part of me was thinking is he based off of him

[ivory garnet]

transformers would be cool, or voltron, because that’d mean all omnic/robot characters could get a skin

i’d expect Overwatch’s next collab to POSSIBLY be demon slayer, if they can get the license

[molten shore]

All I want is denji genji

[peak escarp]

why?

[ivory garnet]

im guessing overwatch would be similar to fortnite in a way that their collabs come with announcements of animes

[ivory garnet]

new demon slayer season coming out

[peak escarp]

OPM is a few years old

[ivory garnet]

yeah but they’re also confirmed to have a new season iirc

[peak escarp]

why would Overwatch be doing collabs based on new anime?

[ivory garnet]

in my pov its all kind of just to hype up new seasons or announcements

theres tons of good collabs they can do tho so

and they notably said they would love to do Dragon Ball and Naruto

[peak escarp]

the examples they gave in the interview were Dragonball and Street Fighter

I don't want all the collabs to be anime

[ivory garnet]

me neither

[peak escarp]

some game collabs would be cool

[ivory garnet]

its possible for a Metal Gear collab

if u think abt it ^

[peak escarp]

like Horizon or Monster Hunter

[ivory garnet]

Horizon?

the ps exclusive?

[peak escarp]

it's on PC too

I think

[ivory garnet]

it might be

havent checked

[peak escarp]

yeah the first one is

[ivory garnet]

the reason I say Metal Gear is because ofc Genji will get a skin, but also Soldier and some others

[peak escarp]

the second one is coming

Genji has enough skins

[ivory garnet]

agreed

but theres alot of source material

i’d love a Cassidy skin

Rango skin

DOOM guy Reaper

[ivory garnet]

only One Punch Man from what we know

they also recently said they wont do creator collabs

[golden oak]

Pokémon wrecking ball when

[austere agate]

so who is the best “shot” in overwatch, like best with a gun not specifically a sniper

I feel like soldier, cass, widow, and ana all have voicelines kinda claiming they’re the best

[keen summit]

Ana with sniper

Then widow and then cass

From what we know

[ivory garnet]

i’d say Ana used to be

as she doesnt have her mechanical eye now

So Widow, Ana, Cass/Ashe

[keen summit]

Yeah would make sense

Not ashe i'd say tho

Like yes shes better than average but..

[ivory garnet]

maybe, but she’s a remarkable marksman

Sojourn says in a voiceline she should turn sides and Overwatch could use her help

[austere agate]

that would be cool but idk if I could see that happening

[keen summit]

I'd say basically all gun heroes are better than average

Like the hitscan types

[distant tree]

Sup

[austere agate]

well yea most definitely

I just meant amongst them

[keen summit]

Except probs soldier tbh i mean in is cinematic we only see him hit alot after using vizor

[austere agate]

yeah bro needs aimbot

[keen summit]

But hes just physically insane

Cuz super soldier

[austere agate]

when did ana get her mechanical eye to begin with?

[keen summit]

So his aim isnt as good but everything else is better

[ivory garnet]

i forgot

quite late for me so cant remember right now

[keen summit]

We dont know exactly, she got it fot sniping

[ivory garnet]

it gave her the ability to noscope

and zoom in and out in her scope

quite a useful eye if I say

[austere agate]

okay, cause on her captain amari skin she doesn’t have it, I thought the mechanical eye replaced the one that got shot

[ivory garnet]

it was before she got shot

her eye looks exactly like a normal one

[austere agate]

oh okay that makes sense

[ivory garnet]

i might be wrong, not the biggest on ana, more so reaper and such

[keen summit]

Nope she jas it there

[ivory garnet]

okay yeah im right, it was before she got shot

[keen summit]

The reason why she survived was cuz the eye stopped the bullet

So thats why she survived

[austere agate]

janina kowalska

her real name?

[ivory garnet]

no

thats basically Jane/John Doe

meaning no name known

as at that time she couldnt remember her name due to an amnesiac episode

[austere agate]

gotcha

[austere agate]

I missed an interesting convo about reaper the other day

and his fade ability

[ivory garnet]

what abt it

[austere agate]

this may sound dumb but

[ivory garnet]

i wasnt there eithee

either*

[austere agate]

someone was saying how since he can turn into smoke, he could enter small places he typically couldn’t

then someone else said if he reformed he would die, but he’d be smart enough not to do that

but anyways my point was

can’t you fight reaper in a room with strong ventilation, then when he tries to fade he just gets like

sucked up

[ivory garnet]

from the points of us seeing him wraith

the smallest point we have seen him do is a small crack in a door (Infiltration cinematic)

and we know he wraiths on command obviously

the ventilation i feel as if could go up in the air? like its if he would be strong enough to withstand the pressure

[austere agate]

yea it’s a pretty out there hypothetical lol just a thought

is there any explanation of his wraith ability like how it works

[ivory garnet]

not directly

we’ve seen him use it acrobatic ways

his ult

something similar to moira fade

and for passage

[half orchid]

OUCH (I know that's Ana's eye when she got shot)

[ivory garnet]

yep, thats the scope shrapnel in her eye

[quiet rune]

Follow up Q to this

How do reaper's shotguns work?

Are they part of his wraith abilities?

[ivory garnet]

we’ve only ever seen him use 2 pairs of shotguns

[quiet rune]

Or are there just generaly alot of them

[quiet rune]

Ah, I meant more in game

[ivory garnet]

so we dont know if they are created with his cells

[quiet rune]

Also with his ult

But yea

[ivory garnet]

his ult is constant rounds being fired out of one shotgun

[keen summit]

in game isnt canon

same with how others dont actually have infinite mags

[quiet rune]

But each shotgun only has 4 shots

so that wouldnt work

[quiet rune]

Yea, I was more asking that because of the way his reload system works

[ivory garnet]

he has necrotic rounds, we have no clue how his shotguns or ammo is made tho

[keen summit]

weve seen him in cinematics have 1 reload

[quiet rune]

we also see that emote where he keeps getting smaller ones and we can see he creates them out of thin air

[keen summit]

death blossom is only seen once too in the first cinematic

[ivory garnet]

thats just comedic relief

[quiet rune]

I just thought it was an intresting question

[keen summit]

emotes arent canon

[quiet rune]

He had those shells on his chest that he never used

I figured they were pre-loaded

[quiet rune]

As you have said. I am just saying.

[ivory garnet]

we know nothing abt his guns besides that they use necrotic rounds

[quiet rune]

Hmm

I want to know more about that

I feel like that is something they would have covered in the last book

The one where he became reaper or whatever

[ivory garnet]

Code of Violence?

that book is supposed to talk abt his inner feelings and Sigma’s break out

[quiet rune]

Huh

Still

its about him

I never read it tho

[iron plume]

You should, it's pretty good

[quiet rune]

didnt play during the challenge either :(

[iron plume]

In general though, Overwatch media is scarce on technical details

[quiet rune]

now I wannt the skin lol

[ivory garnet]

very

[quiet rune]

:[

[iron plume]

because it's a pretty soft sci-fi and the technology isn't the point

[quiet rune]

:[

Its the point TO ME

[ivory garnet]

really hoping they go over the dragons in Hanzo’s upcoming short story tho

[quiet rune]

OOOH?!

new short story?

Dragons?!

[ivory garnet]

theres 4 or 5 new ones

[iron plume]

Seeing how we know have Kiriko who straight up has magic, I'm pretty sure the Shimada dragons are getting that treatment too

[ivory garnet]

probably

would be nice on how they get it tho

[quiet rune]

[quiet rune]

Like Kiriko's fox, brobably extensive training

[ivory garnet]

We have
Ana and Soldier continuation
Hanzo + a familiar face
Symmetra and a Vishkar asset
History of Ashe and Bob

for the new upcoming short stories

Ana and Soldier will be about possibly finding an informant who knows what or who brought down Overwatch all those years ago

Hanzo is about Null Sector pods dropping in Tokyo

[junior flower]

Ok what did I miss

[ivory garnet]

?

[junior flower]

Since when is hanzo going to fight null sector

[ivory garnet]

idk the timeframe

but these short stories are coming out this year

[junior flower]

Who told you that

[keen summit]

Sym is also getting one right

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[keen summit]

The sym Novel im 90% sure itll hing to Sanjay being a hero

If not next hero the one after that

[lyric mountain]

Is "Toblestein" an actual thing in the OW universe or is it just a meme

[worthy rose]

It's a meme

[lyric mountain]

Alright thanks, cause I saw this on a Blizzard forum post:

When eliminating a Zarya, Sigma says something along the lines of

“The Toblestein’s work is still flawed. sigh Tragic.”

[limpid agate]

Its an actual thing

[worthy rose]

Is it really?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[worthy rose]

What is it then? Because I've only heard it been referred to as a meme

[limpid agate]

Zarya has a spray of it

Its related to her ult

Presumably what creates it

[lyric mountain]

Was it like a meme first, and then they implemented it in the game?

Cause i saw an interview a while back and jeff kaplan said it was just people misunderstanding her Russian voice line

[worthy rose]

Yeah the word originated from people misunderstanding what Zarya says, and I do remember Jeff confirming that it wasn't actually a real thing

[quiet rune]

No...

Cuz thats what Zarya says when she ults

And now Sigma has a seperate voice line with the asme word

Becasue her gun is what launches it

And we know it to be insanely heavy becasue she is the only one who can lift it (or whatever)

[worthy rose]

She doesn't actually say "tobelstein" in her ult line

[quiet rune]

What does she say then?

They may have changed their mind also

becasue Jeff is no longer in charge

[worthy rose]

Her ult line in Russian is "Ogon' po gotovnosti!"

[quiet rune]

huh

cool fact

but that dosnt answer my question?

what does she say during the ult line?

[worthy rose]

You asked what she says

[quiet rune]

Fire on readiness!

[worthy rose]

She says "Ogon' po gotovnosti!"

[quiet rune]

I dont know what the torblestein is about then

[quiet rune]

thats... what that means

Ogon' po gotovnosti = Fire on readiness

[worthy rose]

Yeah, she doesn't say "tobelstein"

It's the ult line that's misinterpreted, that's where "tobelstein" comes from

[lyric mountain]

Lmao

[quiet rune]

I always thought she was saying: "Im going for the tobelstein" lol

[viscid flame]

Tobelstein's Revenge

[iron plume]

Which is where the meme comes from

and it then became an inside joke when they called the technology a tobelstein reactor

So it comes from a mishearing but is now canon

[viscid flame]

Honestly the most insane thing in the game

I could never have a hand shotgun, my goofiness would lead to me shooting myself before the end of the day

[quiet rune]

lol

[quiet rune]

👀

[keen summit]

You lean on your hand while thinking, pop

But honestly most of the time you wouldnt have it facing you

[split saddle]

winton angry

[twilit patrol]

[ivory garnet]

we got a W out of today’s patch, skin descriptions are back

[rare trail]

lets go

[ivory garnet]

also, look whats in the hero gallery

[peak escarp]

probably to be used in Archives next season

maybe a new mission

[uneven isle]

Do we know the approximate age gap between Genji, Hanzo and Kiriko is?

[peak escarp]

Genji is 35, Hanzo is 38, Kiriko is 24

[uneven isle]

Ah ok. thx

[rare trail]

kiriko is 24?

we got confirmation on age?

[peak escarp]

her bio says that Sojiro was assassinated when she was 12

according to Asa's letter, that happened 12 years ago

12 + 12 = 24

But where the Shimada gave, the Hashimoto take. After all, when one has many homes, one has none—and the Hashimoto clan claws at nearly every city in this nation. We are nothing special to them; one day they will drink us dry and move on, leaving us empty and broken. Even now, some twelve years on, I see the mark they have left on our city.

well, 12 years since the Hashimoto took over, which I assume was shortly after Sojiro's death, Genji and Hanzo's fight and Hanzo leaving the clan

so I'm confident in saying she's 24-25

[quiet rune]

Where, me wanty

[rare trail]

maybe next season we get some pve (we wont)

[peak escarp]

we should get Archives at the very least

[quiet rune]

Didn’t they say PvE would release in the spring? So by that logic Archives would come with PvE… and thusly these skins

[peak escarp]

they said 2023

didn't give a season

[quiet rune]

:|

[rare sundial]

At least it’s this year

I just hope it’s not going to be around Christmas season

[quiet rune]

:/

[peak escarp]

it will be worth the wait

[limpid agate]

Its found in the Season 3 Filter in the gallerey

[peak escarp]

we've had items cross seasons before

[limpid agate]

In promotional material

[peak escarp]

like the Echo and Lucio skins from season 1

[limpid agate]

Not in game

[peak escarp]

🤷‍♀️

[ivory garnet]

not home yet, but im guessing the skins are epic?

they dont seem legendary

[peak escarp]

they are legendary

[rare trail]

ig the texture is pretty different

idk they seem kinda epic to me too

[peak escarp]

they're most likely legendary because they're collaboration skins

[rare trail]

oh wait i was talking about the skins that were in the pve promo

mb

[ivory garnet]

the photos I sent are collabs?

thought it was PvE promo or archives

[peak escarp]

oh those

those are legendaries

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

[peak escarp]

I thought you meant the OPM skins

[ivory garnet]

no, i figured those were legendary lol

Kiriko’s shouldnt but

[rare trail]

so the pve skins are legendary?

the winter ones?

[ivory garnet]

seems so

[peak escarp]

seems like it

[rare trail]

if theyre in the gallery cant you confirm?

[ivory garnet]

i can check in a few

yeah I was at school, arriving home now tho

so i’ll check

[limpid agate]

Its just the two, they're both legendary

[ivory garnet]

okay

[limpid agate]

Which shouldnt need to be checked

Its obvious from looking at them that they dont conform to the base model

[rare trail]

theres some epics that arent base model either

like wasteland for bap

[limpid agate]

Thats the opposite

[rare trail]

shrike for ana

[limpid agate]

No those are epics

[rare trail]

yeah

[limpid agate]

Theyre base model

[rare trail]

those are examples of epics that arent base model

like theres stuff changed on them

[limpid agate]

theyre base model

[rare trail]

what about like the bap helmet on wasteland?

[limpid agate]

What about that

Thats why its an epic

[peak escarp]

epics often have different models for the head

but have the base model for the body

[limpid agate]

With the standards they set, there isnt a single epic that should be a higher rarity

The only legendaries that should be epics are Gingerbread (free), Tatsumaki (collab) and Mime Moira (inexcusable)

[rare trail]

so real

erm actually gingbread costs one coin so it isnt free 🤓

[limpid agate]

Since OW2 released*

[rare trail]

ig you can get that one coin in a free way though

[peak escarp]

and Meirry

oh

just OW2 skins

[keen summit]

with some slight changes sometimes like for example the camo bap skin, isntead of a scarf its leaves

[worthy rose]

I'm having a discussion with someone about Reaper's nationality. We both know he's American but has some Mexican heritage. They claim he also has Asian heritage though. Is this real?

[inner iron]

I don't think so, is it not confirmed that he's mexican?

[peak escarp]

he's American

from LA

but he has hispanic heritage

[gray kayak]

He's a born American with Hispanic heritage

[hushed cape]

Why doesn't Reaper have a talon skin?

[inner iron]

ohh, my bad

[worthy rose]

Hispanic... that's it

[inner iron]

Cuz his talon skin is his normal outfit

[peak escarp]

I believe the term for people like him is chicano

[hushed cape]

I honestly doubt it,

Cause the others have their talon skin

[worthy rose]

Reaper's default is literally his Talon outfit

[hushed cape]

And Reaper isn't even the boss of talon but rather a talon council member

[hushed cape]

Oh that sucks then

Is reaper immortal?

[peak escarp]

he can survive things that would kill an ordinary person

but he can probably still be killed

[hushed cape]

Interesting. Poor guy.

Moira is truly evil.

Speaking of how did he become her labrat?

[peak escarp]

he recruited her to help with some genetic issue he was having

probably related to his SEP treatments

[inner iron]

SEP?

[hushed cape]

What's SEP?

[peak escarp]

soldier enhancement program

[inner iron]

Ohh

[peak escarp]

it's the supersoldier program that Reaper and Soldier were both part of in the US Army

during the crisis

[inner iron]

Is moiras fade ability the polished version of reapers... well, form?

[peak escarp]

pretty much

[hushed cape]

What genetic issue was he having?

[peak escarp]

we don't know the specifics

[hushed cape]

And why does reaper look so damn fine

[inner iron]

Lol

[peak escarp]

but he didn't ask Moira to turn him into a wraith - she did that on her own

[inner iron]

ohh, explains that

[hushed cape]

Oh yeah he's also in constant pain.

[peak escarp]

and then when he was nearly killed in the Swiss HQ explosion, she megadosed him to save his life

[hushed cape]

Kinda like Darth Vader

[peak escarp]

similar, yeah

she truly did mean to save his life

at the cost of his humanity

[hushed cape]

Why doesn't OW tell us more lore about reaper?

[inner iron]

but turned him into a wraith?

[hushed cape]

He's a father and a husband

Well ex husband

[peak escarp]

he's supposed to be an enigma

[inner iron]

I think it adds to his like, mysterious personality I guess

[peak escarp]

I'm sure they'll go into more detail in the future

[inner iron]

personality for lack of a better word rn

oh

enigma

yeah that works

lol

[worthy rose]

Even his description in the hero gallery just refers to him as "a black-robed terrorist" and that no one knows anything about him other than "where he goes, death follows"

[hushed cape]

When will they fix the voicelines for reaper when he's in his blackwatch/soldier 24 skin

[inner iron]

don't think they ever will

[peak escarp]

it's been 5 years, I don't think they're going to

[hushed cape]

It makes me think he smoked alot and is stuck with a tube in his neck

[inner iron]

they'd have to do that for ana for her younger skin like sniper wouldn't they?

[peak escarp]

her voice hasn't changed as much

[inner iron]

I mean I'd imagine that her voice wouldn't change that much

[hushed cape]

They'd have to get another VA for that

[inner iron]

true

[peak escarp]

it would have to be client-side anyway

[inner iron]

how old is she in game now?

[peak escarp]

to keep gameplay clear

Ana is 60

[hushed cape]

Reaper is 62

[inner iron]

o, thought she was 62

may have confused them

[peak escarp]

Reaper is 58

[hushed cape]

Making him the oldest OW character

Oh.

Nvm then.

[peak escarp]

Sigma is 62

[inner iron]

isn't sigma 62

[peak escarp]

Reinhardt is 61

[inner iron]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

they're the oldest

[hushed cape]

Oh he's the oldest then

Youngest is Orisa

But it could be echo

[hushed cape]

Cause she looks like a newer model

[peak escarp]

heroes marked ?? we don't have official ages for

[hushed cape]

Oh yeah

I forgot Mei was stuck in cyro

Stolen fallout 4 start lore lmao

[inner iron]

Lol

[peak escarp]

but we have guesses:
Echo is 10-15 years old
Kiriko is 24-25
Sojourn is 50-55
Junker Queen is 35-40
Soldier is 57 (one year younger than Reaper)

[hushed cape]

I think Kiriko would be around genji age

[inner iron]

Yeah

since they grew up together n stuff

but maybe a significance difference

[peak escarp]

her bio says that Sojiro was assassinated when she was 12
according to Asa's letter, the Hashimoto took over 12 years ago
12 + 12 = 24

[hushed cape]

Why does JQ look so fine as hell but her voice is hideous.

[worthy rose]

I mean... I think her voice is hilarious

[hushed cape]

I like the voice too but it's weird when she looks so pretty

[inner iron]

nah I think her voice suits her

[hushed cape]

When we giving bastion a voice

[peak escarp]

Bastion has a voice

[worthy rose]

Never. Keep the beeps and boops

[peak escarp]

it's voiced by Chris Metzen

[ivory garnet]

Dusk can be interpreted as his talon outfit

[hushed cape]

Looks bad ass ngl

Too bad I can't get it

Same with baset

[snow dock]

everyone's so old

except junk rat and zarya. Would've thought they're late 30s

[worthy rose]

And Orisa, who's like a month old

[ivory garnet]

possible year now

we havent had any updates on how much time has passed

[snow dock]

she's changed a lot in a month - year

[hushed cape]

Is reaper racist?

[rare trail]

no?

[ivory garnet]

only shown racists is younger Zarya and junkers

but Junkers arent that racist anymore

and Zarya isnt at all

[limpid agate]

No, the Junkers still hate Omnics

[worthy rose]

Proven by JQ's very discriminatory voice lines in-game towards Omnics and cybernetics

[ivory garnet]

they’ve shown less of it tho

[limpid agate]

Its not that they've shown less of it

Its that we've seen less of their interactions with omnics

[warped latch]

Bro like half these characters are not the age I would have guessed for them 😂

I wonder if their lifespans are slightly longer since they’re in a more futuristic world

[rare trail]

i mean hamster is 14 so

[warped latch]

tbf he was an experiment. And is much larger than a normal hamster

[peak escarp]

Hammond and Winston are the only ones with altered lifespans

[rare trail]

meis is kinda altered

[merry mason]

yeah technecally

[worthy rose]

What is Hanzo lore?

He's ma brother but I forgor his backstory

[rare trail]

so he was in the shimada clan and was like loyal to it and stuff and his brother was like a playboy and acting goofy so he was sent to straighten him out but genji said no and they fought and hanzo thought he killed genji and then he stopped being a part of the clan and like 15 years later "dragons" happens

[austere agate]

so what’s the deal with kirikos bike?

i’ve been thinking ab it a lot recently

[true locust]

You should see her on it.

[tardy tusk]

who was echo's predecessor?

[rare trail]

athena ig

aurora*

[keen summit]

Sge has one. Thats all

She just has a bike, it really doesbt go further. It might be used in hanzo story if they team up

[ivory garnet]

kiriko joins the battle, on her bike

[summer zenith]

Fnaf lore

ong

[keen summit]

We waited to see her on her bike, and it happened!

[summer zenith]

She then stops to go mug winton

[worthy rose]

hampter

[muted parcel]

hamter is stronger than ramatra in the lore

[wet raven]

Hamster got that space rabies in his bite

[twilit patrol]

Ram >

[upbeat thistle]

i think in kirikos ult she says let the kitsune bike you

[twilit patrol]

Let the kitsune GUIDE youu

[upbeat thistle]

nope pretty sure its bike

you should see her on her bike

[twilit patrol]

I don't know, i don't play Kiriko.

I'm tank player

[upbeat thistle]

same

junker queen>

[twilit patrol]

JQ is very sexy bro

[upbeat thistle]

bro

[twilit patrol]

She's the freshest girl in OW

[upbeat thistle]

dont sexualize game characters 😩

[twilit patrol]

I'm sorry, i love this girl.

[quiet rune]

Junkerqueen, & Reinherdt

[upbeat thistle]

my fav heroes fr

[tardy tusk]

brruhhhh, have you ever LOOKED at their design?

[upbeat thistle]

yeah?

do you know how hot it is in australia ☠️

roadhog and junkrat have half naked designs too

[tardy tusk]

i've never seen any aussie wear anything close to that lol

[upbeat thistle]

everyone in junker town is shirtless

[tardy tusk]

explain the cleveage

[upbeat thistle]

so because a character has a cleavage they gotta be sexualized?

youre weird man

[worthy rose]

Do you not see the bunda on widowmaker

[tardy tusk]

smh

thats your opinion

and if you cant see it

then idc

its so obv

[upbeat thistle]

a characters design has nothing to do whether they gotta be sexualised

[rare trail]

i think this is straying off topic

[iron fiber]

Sexualisation isn't lore lmao

[upbeat thistle]

they turned it into that not me

[iron fiber]

I wasn't calling anyone out I just happened to see the.. uh.. topic

[tardy tusk]

they're ALREADY SEXUALIZED

PLEASER

lOOK WIDOW, LOOK ASHE SKINS

U BLIND OR SUM

[rare trail]

not the place to talk about this goog

[tardy tusk]

i didnt start it

so why call me out

[rare trail]

that doesnt matter

[upbeat thistle]

you did

its wtv

[rare trail]

you shouldn't continue talking about it regardless

doesnt matter "who started it"

[iron fiber]

Sexualisation only occurs when you yourself view it as sexualisation.. idk what to tell you, let's move on amigos

[tardy tusk]

it does , you only call me out but not the ones who start it

makes no sense

[tardy tusk]

.

before i even said anything

[twilit patrol]

Hey what's matter ?

[rare trail]

im not only calling you out everyone is straying off topic

[twilit patrol]

I just said ''JQ is very sexy''

[tardy tusk]

read ur own messages lmao

[rare trail]

i have

also

dont talk about this here

not the place

[quiet rune]

good point

[quiet rune]

PREACH KING

[keen summit]

Man i cant believe women would dare wear something that shows skin

[tardy tusk]

brb im ga;er

game*

[rare trail]

cant believe ashe shows her ankles in some skins!!!!!

[worthy rose]

nice lore

[rare trail]

real

ashes parents are probably that type the whole "dont show your ankles" type thing

[quiet rune]

How is Ashe sexualized? And widow is dressed like that to increase the efficiency of her grapple...

[quiet rune]

He never did that...

[worthy rose]

ashe doesn't care about her parents like her parents dint care about ashe

[quiet rune]

What have you done /lh

[quiet rune]

OMG LORE?!?!

[twilit patrol]

You see that.

[worthy rose]

...

[quiet rune]

IN THE LORE CHANNEL?!

[twilit patrol]

I said the truth

[worthy rose]

rare huh

[rare trail]

are ashe's parents alive?

[worthy rose]

idk

probably

[quiet rune]

Agreed, Mr Family Guy took it off the rails tho lol

[tardy tusk]

game a,lsmot done

[twilit patrol]

[quiet rune]

I think so, they just abandoned her with B.O.B. after she was done her formative years I believe

[rare trail]

was bob sentient when she was a kid?

[worthy rose]

ye

[quiet rune]

Wat s,top using com,mas in the midd,le of your sent,ances

[rare trail]

how old is she?

[quiet rune]

age list

[tardy tusk]

multitasking while in game is hard

[worthy rose]

you have google

[rare trail]

ok ashe is 39 so she wouldve been at least 19 when bob became sentient

[quiet rune]

Just wait?

[quiet rune]

But by the looks of things she is okay with it

[tardy tusk]

people keep responding and making arguments, so when i have a bit of time i explain

[rare trail]

yeah ashe is a certified not racist overwatch character

[worthy rose]

she hated and still hates her parents

[tardy tusk]

anyways,

[tardy tusk]

you say this but then

[rare trail]

so bob was just a regular robot all of ashes childhood

[tardy tusk]

you only call me out

[quiet rune]

YAY, NOT RACIST

[tardy tusk]

literally

so you're capping

[quiet rune]

Fair, they dipped out of her life

[quiet rune]

Then BAM sentience

[worthy rose]

ye and her parents dint care about ashe at all

[rare trail]

you were the only person who kept off topic after i asked when i sent that message

[worthy rose]

only bob

[tardy tusk]

and taking in real physics into account, widows very deep clevage makes no sense at all, for better grapple distance she's had to be wearing skin tight shorts

[quiet rune]

Why did thay have her again?

or was it an accident

[rare trail]

i wonder how much bob remembers of her childhood

[worthy rose]

idk

[tardy tusk]

are you actually blind? look the message sent after you said that

you said nothing about those

[rare trail]

probably just to have an heir of some kind

[tardy tusk]

so don't even try

[quiet rune]

i feel like they would have had ||abortion|| legalized/still legalized

[rare trail]

yeah

[worthy rose]

i love how you and goose boy are argueing in the lore channel

[quiet rune]

because you kept going with the convo and ignored him

[quiet rune]

makes sense

[tardy tusk]

but someone else kept going before i kept going and they said nothing

also, they're not a mod are they? its also kinda lore related so

why do we even listen to goose?

[worthy rose]

anyways

[vernal siren]

yall are off topic now tf just be quiet

[worthy rose]

fr

[vernal siren]

and discuss lore lmao go to dms

[quiet rune]

A) Dosnt matter, they are just trying to be helpful so the mods dont have to intervene
B) SEXUALIZING CHARACTERS IS NOT RELATED TO LORE

okay Im done

[rare trail]

not the place to talk about this

[tardy tusk]

its not off topic, we're talking about skins, someone claimed widows clevage was not sexualized and it was there because of lose

lore*

[tardy tusk]

it is its lore right? lore discussion

[tardy tusk]

it does because their outfits = lore

[rare trail]

talking about skins being sexualized isnt lore

[vernal siren]

how is a skin being sexualized lore related?

[quiet rune]

exactly

[tardy tusk]

the over person claimed jq clothes are because of the temps in australia

it is lore related

[quiet rune]

No

[vernal siren]

No..

[tardy tusk]

because they WEAR THOSE SKINS BECAUSE OF LORE OML

[rare trail]

the reason her clothes are like that are lore related it being sexualized isnt lroe related

[quiet rune]

THATS JUST F***ING WEATHER PATTERNS IN GENERAL

[worthy rose]

this is just chaos

[tardy tusk]

what? JQ = Australia = part of her lore

[quiet rune]

I wear my skin since birth :)

[tardy tusk]

its because australia turned into a wasteland in OW

[vernal siren]

u said a while ago that her being sexualized is lore related lmao what are u on

[quiet rune]

agreed

[tardy tusk]

perhaps uuhh

dont join in

because i dont want to explain from the beginning

[quiet rune]

u r pulling on fraying strings

[vernal siren]

or u stop saying shit

just stfu

[tardy tusk]

i am not, im sitting at my desk typing

[tardy tusk]

why?

[worthy rose]

when is this gonna stop

[quiet rune]

because you dont want him to be right?

[tardy tusk]

idk

[worthy rose]

when ow3 comes out probably

[rare trail]

jq shows a lot of skin bc it gets hot in australia

[tardy tusk]

keep assuming bro

[quiet rune]

metaphoricaly you bafoon

[rare trail]

especially after the omnic factory (i forgor the name) blew up it probably got hotter

[tardy tusk]

yeah, thats what the over person said, so

you see it has to do with lore

[quiet rune]

LOL

[tardy tusk]

because of the wasteland temps n stuff makes what outfit they wear

[quiet rune]

✨ Nuclear radiation ✨

[rare trail]

the sexualization (or lack there of) isnt a part of the lore

[rare trail]

so real

[quiet rune]

Yea

this

[rare trail]

roadhog looking cute in that gas mask

i wonder why junkrat doesn't wear a gas mask or use hogdrogen

[worthy rose]

why would he

[tardy tusk]

the other person said its not sexualization and part of lore

[quiet rune]

[vernal siren]

sexualizing skins really isnt lore related bro im sorry

[quiet rune]

I think Mako wears the gas mask because of his healing things + he dosnt want people to see his face

[worthy rose]

there is no use of gasmasks in junkertown hog probably wears it for style or to cover his face

[tardy tusk]

here

[tardy tusk]

its makes 0 sense however

[quiet rune]

Did I ask?

[rare trail]

you are talking about the sexualization though if you were just talking about skins and why characters wear them that would be fine

[tardy tusk]

the other person claimed it was, but I said its not and they were also denying it was sexualized

[quiet rune]

I believe it is the 2nd point

[tardy tusk]

thats how it started

[worthy rose]

ah shi here we go again

[tardy tusk]

Did i ask if u asked?

[rare trail]

hog mask goes hard

[quiet rune]

no >:]

[rare trail]

i love roadhogs mohawk too

[tardy tusk]

uncorrect, it was a discussion about if JQ is sexualized or if its lore related

[worthy rose]

that Mohawk is probably fake

[tardy tusk]

another game be there (hopefully) not soon

[quiet rune]

I kinda like the ponytail but mowhawk is good too

[rare trail]

whether or not jq is sexualized isnt lore related

[upbeat thistle]

how tf is that even a question ☠️

[quiet rune]

actually, correct

[twilit patrol]

I just said ''JQ is very sexy''

Because i love this girl

[quiet rune]

LOL

[rare trail]

jq has been queen for like 15 years iirc

[twilit patrol]

And ?

[worthy rose]

question for you all who would be the scariest hero to see in the woods at night

[upbeat thistle]

lucio

[worthy rose]

probably hog for me

[quiet rune]

roadhog or Kiriko

[twilit patrol]

Reaper

[worthy rose]

lol

[rare trail]

junkrat imo

[upbeat thistle]

yall forgetting hanzo can climb trees and murder everyone

[rare trail]

genji would be pretty scary

[worthy rose]

reaper isnt that scary tbh

[twilit patrol]

Reaper is worst

[rare trail]

reaper would be scary yea

[worthy rose]

reaper would just try to be scary and edgy

[quiet rune]

yea but as he says, "killing brings me no pleasure"

[worthy rose]

hog would be the scariest

[twilit patrol]

Just try ?

[quiet rune]

He's just a goofy guy tho

[rare trail]

he would probably also like kill you though

[worthy rose]

ye true

[rare trail]

no equipment who do you think is the strongest

so like genji no cybernetics

before he was nearly killed

[worthy rose]

widow would be scary too

[quiet rune]

then he would be dead

oh

And no fist for Doom right?

[rare trail]

yea

assuming he didnt lose his arm

[worthy rose]

doom

[rare trail]

i think rein would be strong too

[worthy rose]

doom has alot of fighting experience

[twilit patrol]

[rare trail]

soldier if you dont count super soldier as equipment

[twilit patrol]

Rein ?

[quiet rune]

Then probably Orisa, Reinhardt, or Zarya

[grand wedge]

Doomfist was definitely trained to fight

[rare trail]

oh yeah i forgot about orisa

[quiet rune]

No, It would be Zarya

[rare trail]

doom was a boxer iirc

[grand wedge]

Sarya was trained to weightlift

[worthy rose]

nah it would be torb

[quiet rune]

because she is the canonically strongast woman in russia

[grand wedge]

MMA no?

[rare trail]

orisa strongest bc robot

same with bob probably

[twilit patrol]

Lol just because robot ?

[quiet rune]

I dont think robots count, because then Bastion would

[rare trail]

robot strong

[quiet rune]

becasue machine gun

[rare trail]

🦾

[grand wedge]

"Well-trained and proficient in a wide spectrum of bone-shattering fighting styles"

[rare trail]

i think out of the humans zarya probably

[quiet rune]

*Omnics are basically just equiptment

[worthy rose]

you all forgetting about ramattra

[twilit patrol]

I see that

[rare trail]

woah do we have an anti omnic racist right here!!!!

[quiet rune]

or Rein yea

[twilit patrol]

Yea Rein >>

[worthy rose]

or doom

[quiet rune]

IN THE TERMS OF THE QUESTION

[rare trail]

peak rein def strongest

[twilit patrol]

[quiet rune]

THEY ARE BUILT AS EQUIPTMET

[quiet rune]

ye ye ye

[rare trail]

given current rein beats zarya in arm wrestling sometimes