lore-discussion

[ivory garnet]

stating what it could may be

if it isnt “hard glass”

[golden oak]

Probably no cuz vishkar would destroy their ass

[ivory garnet]

theres different hardlight companies already

Vishkar is just the most known

[golden oak]

Yeah but didn’t they burn their competitors building once

[ivory garnet]

maybe, havent read Symm’s short

[golden oak]

Seems like vishkar would want a monopoly for their technology

[ivory garnet]

possibly, but we’ll find out in some weeks

glad they’re introducting The Collective though into the story possibly, they might play a role

[golden oak]

So entirely new character then

[peak escarp]

yes

[golden oak]

No one from Mei’s team survived right?

[ivory garnet]

only her and snowball

[peak escarp]

just her

yeah

[ivory garnet]

technically only her pod malfunctioned

[peak escarp]

what do you mean

hers was the only one that didn't fail

[ivory garnet]

well, they all malfunctioned in a way

as they werent supposed to be in there for 9 years right

[peak escarp]

right

Mei's pod exceeded expectations

it would have failed eventually if Winston hadn't sent out the Recall

[hollow flower]

where do you find out lore

and stuff

[golden oak]

So no more characters from Antarctica

[ivory garnet]

nope unless its a Null Sector drone

[ivory garnet]

overwatch website

youtube

all is in pins

!!loreguide

[twilit nacelle]

This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL

There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul

Also important for Overwatch 2 is Cassidy's comic series, New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB

There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE

The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC

[hollow flower]

wow ty

[earnest lantern]

Who wants to make a teir list

[vapid tusk]

what kind

[frosty igloo]

Win mercy have a villain ark

Ever

Arc

[ivory garnet]

no, because Moira is a thing

[naive ore]

roadhog should fucking die in the lore

[twilit patrol]

Wtf why ??

[naive ore]

because he's roadhog

[twilit patrol]

Hmm

[naive ore]

i have issues with him 🔥🔥

[twilit patrol]

And Widow should die in the lore

Because i hate this girl

[naive ore]

do u keep getting headshot

[twilit patrol]

Maybe

[naive ore]

😭

[half wraith]

Why does torbs voice go deep when he ults

[naive ore]

no clue

[twilit patrol]

No because i'm tank player

[naive ore]

btw is your birthday is March 23rd 🙀

[twilit patrol]

You see that

[naive ore]

you're sharing a birthday with my gf that's cool

[naive ore]

same same

[twilit patrol]

Oh your gf

[naive ore]

she can remove a ton of your hp too which can get annoying

[twilit patrol]

Yes i'm otp rein

[half wraith]

Um guys please stick to lore only -🤓

[naive ore]

real

[twilit patrol]

He started

[naive ore]

uh anyway back to the lore

[twilit patrol]

So i dont keep headshot

[naive ore]

roadhog should DIE

[twilit patrol]

And Widow should DIE

[naive ore]

and mei should DIE

[twilit patrol]

Ball should die

[naive ore]

i feel like rein is gonna die

I don't want him to but he probably will

[twilit patrol]

Wtf

You right

I have this feel too

[naive ore]

like a hero death

[twilit patrol]

I have the feeling that he will sacrifice himself

[naive ore]

probably for someone close to him

maybe ana

[twilit patrol]

In BlizzConLine they showed some cinematics and when you see that Brigitte and the whole team are depressed, it means that there is a death.

[naive ore]

where do i see that

[twilit patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRj-GotnNaQ

32:48

[naive ore]

ooo I'm gonna watch it

ty

[twilit patrol]

[twilit patrol]

You can't imagine how i shall cry if Rein dies

[tropic idol]

I thought Sombra and sigma were friends?

[frosty igloo]

i hope mercy enters a villain stage and force the game to remove mercy from the game entirly

[twilit patrol]

Funny

[frosty igloo]

idk bout u but i fucking hate mercy

[twilit patrol]

And i hate Ball

[frosty igloo]

hampster's got the best voicelines by far tho

[twilit patrol]

I don't care

I hate Hammond

[hollow flower]

Is the omnic that got shot in the head by widowmaker zenyatta or someone else?

[wind portal]

Mondatta

[twilit patrol]

His name is Mondatta

[hollow flower]

Oh wow thank you

[twilit patrol]

Slain by Widow at London like you know

Zen is still alive

But I don't know why she killed Mondatta

[rare trail]

talon wanted mondotta dead so they sent widow

i forget why they wanted him dead

ig just stir up stuff between omnics and humans

[twilit patrol]

Weird

Ram should be angry

[rare trail]

ram kinda hated mondotta

believed that mondottas teachings killed omnics

[twilit patrol]

Oh okay

I’m lost in the lore

[worthy rose]

Sigma is basically Talon’s own puppet they get to control

[rare trail]

yeah

he only does experiments though

i mean hes happy where he is

he likes it

yeah hes happy

?

what are you talking about?

voicelines arent fully canon and which voiceline?

invasive tests doesnt mean moira messed with his mind

what other track history?

she hasnt brainwashed people before

just made people wraiths or someones heart beat slower

yeah

turning someone into a wraith doesnt mean you would mess with sigmas mind

like whats the point of messing with his mind anyways

they just want his research and him to keep doing experiments

and theyre probably unwilling to do much to him given his powers

trying to control someone who could lash out and kill people is very dangerous

sigma has never been shown to create black holes on his own

not being the good guys doesnt just mean they want sigma to lash out and kill people

they are getting what they want out of sigma which is research they dont have a reason to mess with his mind

he didn't do that his equipment did

[worthy rose]

He can’t make them on his own

[rare trail]

thats not semantics

and the black hole took a lot of special equipment its not something he can just do

anyone like idk bridgette could create a black hole if she had the equipment he did

anyone would be able to make a black hole with that equipment

its not really a power he has

its just possible to create black holes with special equipment in the overwatch verse

[sly beacon]

Goose boy, what is your favorite piece of lore from overwock?

[worthy rose]

The power that Sigma himself has is the ability to control gravity

[rare trail]

my fav piece of lore is probably sigma origin

reflections is really good too

doomfist origin is great too

[sly beacon]

👍

[rare trail]

upcoming lore is the origin of whoever is the next hero

hanzo short story might be before then

[golden oak]

I hope Hanzo gets some redemption arc where he helps Kiriko get rid of Hashimotos

[worthy rose]

ye maybe genji will help

[golden oak]

It’s kinda Hanzos responsibility since he’s the shimada heir and he’s the one that should take care of people from kanezaka

Genji could help if overwatch gets involved

[worthy rose]

ye but hashimotos are kinda weak if they cant beat kiriko imagine what hanzo would do to help

and if hanzo somehow gets injured genji will 100 procent come and help

btw fun fact doomfist tried to recruit hanzo to join talon

[golden oak]

Afaik hashimotos have guns and stuff and they definitely outnumber yokai group

So I wouldn’t call them weak

[worthy rose]

true but kiriko and hanzo are realy trained and they can summon spirits btw idk if hanzos dragon is a spirit

so I think hanzo and kiriko can take the hashimotos

[golden oak]

Well yokai definitely needs some help if they want to take them down since all they did so far was just sabotage

[worthy rose]

ye

but I don’t think hashimotos wil get much attention in the campaign

sadly

[golden oak]

I think Hanzo would have to resume the shimada clan to take down hashimotos

[worthy rose]

ye the shimada clan is realy powerful

[golden oak]

Since that land belonged to shimadas

[golden oak]

Yeah but I meant that it’s shimada heritage so a shimada would have to claim it back

[worthy rose]

oh

yeah

but I hope hanzo and genji become friends again like in the past

[golden oak]

It’s a matter of time
Genji forgave his brother
Hanzo has to forgive himself

[worthy rose]

ye but he doesn’t

atleast now

maybe hanzo will get captured by talon coz doomfist once tried to recruit him but hanzo said no

in a interaction

but that doesn’t mean they will capture him tho

[golden oak]

That’s why he’s got to help kanezaka, to pay for his sins

[worthy rose]

what is sins?

sry if im stupid

[golden oak]

His wrongdoings

[worthy rose]

oh ok

[golden oak]

I know voice lines are not canon but I recently heard a Hanzo voice line in Esperanca
(Basically Hanzo says that they sent assassins after him there)
And I’m wondering what was he doing there

[worthy rose]

ok

[worthy rose]

Hanzo needs therapy

Genji did too

But he found a therapist

And a reason to live

Hanzo has neither

[fickle flower]

Wasn't Kiriko apart of the Shimada clan too?

[worthy rose]

No. She is not a Shimada

Hanzo and Genji and Kiriko were all trained at the same time though

[ivory garnet]

Yes, She was in the Shimada clan

that doesnt mean she is apart of the family

Shimada is a crime syndicate

[worthy rose]

She was?

Damn mb

[grand wedge]

Well, Kiriko's mother was the Shimada swordmaster. IDK if you can consider a kid under 12 y/o part of a crime family

But she was under their protection, as well as all the people living in Kanezaka and Hanamura

[ivory garnet]

i’d consider their family being apart of the syndicate

both of her parents had big roles in aiding the Shimada

[vale knoll]

Orisa has an archive skin in null sector, is that purely aesthetic or was she in null sector? The design seems a lot different than her current design. Can omnics even be “changed”? Very specific question that has probably never been answered

[rare trail]

i dont think she was in null sector

[worthy rose]

Not Orisa, but Null Sector used OR14-NS models during the King's Row uprising

Which is the skin she has in-game

[rare trail]

yeah so the or15s she was built from just defended numbani i thought they might have been repurposed soldiers from the omnic crisis

[dense nacelle]

if u can mainpulate gravity u can make black holes

[worthy rose]

There's no way Sigma's powers are strong enough to do that

[dense nacelle]

he is able to swallow projectiles in a void?

[worthy rose]

Well yeah, but the game itself is not canon

[ivory garnet]

none of his powers are shown canon lol

[ivory garnet]

thats an OR-14, Orisa was built from a destroyed OR-15

[worthy rose]

OR14-NS specifically 🤓

[rare trail]

we dont know the extent of his poewrs

[vale knoll]

Ah

[ivory garnet]

its apart of a category for “canon skins” i’d put in “other”

as Orisa was never an OR-14

but there are OR-14 from ND

NS*

same deal with Bastion

[cyan locust]

I've heard Lucio and Symmetra exchange snarky remarks towards each other during and before battle, why?

[ivory garnet]

Vishkar has history with Lucio’s Dad and hometown

im not the best on their lore, so thats all I got

[peak escarp]

Vishkar tried to develop Lucio's neighborhood and oppress the people there, so he led them in an uprising against Vishkar using his father's invention

Lucio stole the invention (his sonic gun) from Vishkar, because his father made it while working for Vishkar (Vishkar owned the patent)

[cyan locust]

What a chad, thanks

[topaz juniper]

OMG HIII @dim basin

[worthy rose]

Hey what’s with soldier 76 and reaper I heard they have history with each other I just don’t know

[peak escarp]

they were in the US army and Soldier Enhancement Program together

and were friends for around 30 years

[vernal jungle]

pretty sure reaper was jealous that soldier 76 was named as the leader for overwatch and wanted to get at him for it

[muted parcel]

I wish Moira dies on The lore

[peak escarp]

Reaper wasn't jealous

he didn't want the responsibility of strike commander

[snow dock]

It'd be weird if any of the playable characters died in the lore

[peak escarp]

it would be

[ivory garnet]

is the only reason for the “pharmercy” ship cuz of their “Knight in shining armor” line

[peak escarp]

people have shipped that since 2016

because they have in-game synergy

[ivory garnet]

thats stupid

[peak escarp]

you wanna hear a worse one?

[ivory garnet]

hm

[peak escarp]

the Cassidy/Hanzo ship started because when they game launched they were the only two young attractive male heroes

[ivory garnet]

thats actually dumb

[worthy rose]

Pardon me, what now?

[peak escarp]

yeah

[worthy rose]

lol

[peak escarp]

that's why that ship started

they barely even have any in-game interactions, and they've never met in the lore

[ivory garnet]

people mostly use “because he calls him attractive when he kills him” now, as if Hanzo doesnt say the same to Bap and Reinhardt

is there any stupid reason for the Reaper76?

[worthy rose]

probably not

They were friends for like 30 years and were both in the army and the soldier enhancement thing

ik

[ivory garnet]

yeah but i dont think thats where it started

[worthy rose]

It’s my only guess

[ivory garnet]

Reaper tries to kill Soldier twice “omg they’re gay for eachothee”

[peak escarp]

Reaper76 and WidowTracer are both "enemies to lovers"

[ivory garnet]

💀

[peak escarp]

even before those heroes were revealed to be gay

[ivory garnet]

werent people mad that Emily was brought up canon

[peak escarp]

they're very unlikely because Reyes had a wife (and isn't gay), and Tracer hates Widowmaker and Widowmaker can't feel emotion

a lot of people don't like Emily

[ivory garnet]

yeah, thats what i say to stupid tiktok comments because I like arguing with people lol

but then they say “they definitely linked up in secret”

and then I bring up Soldier literally left his boyfriend for his work

[worthy rose]

Wasn't Hanzo shipped with some dude called McCree?

[rare wasp]

McCree is Cassidy they changed his name lol. Im newer to OW so that also threw me off for awhile because I thought they were different ppl 😅

[worthy rose]

He’s American I’m pretty sure

[junior flower]

Yes

He is American

From Los Angeles

[twilit patrol]

He was born in LA

Oh

[junior flower]

He was a cop

A traffic cop

[worthy rose]

reaper is chicano just to be clear, mexican born in the US

[rare trail]

i wish we had more information on emily

she only appears in reflections right?

[worthy rose]

And on one of Tracer’s sprays I believe, but that’s not important

[proven imp]

Isn’t Emily Tracers gf or something?

[rare trail]

yea

[proven imp]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

she appears in London Calling too

Reyes wasn't a traffic cop, he was a regular cop

[echo monolith]

Does anyone know lucios lore

[peak escarp]

^

[junior flower]

All I knows is that he's from Rio de Janeiro,pariso

And that the company that Sim works for (I forgot there name) decided to f Rio de Janeiro up and the citizens there because money

[peak escarp]

Vishkar

[junior flower]

Yea that one

[junior flower]

I think that sigmas lore should be expanded is it can lead to some cool stories

[maiden granite]

do we know much about emilys personality

[peak escarp]

she's very supportive of Tracer

[junior flower]

Ignored again

[rare trail]

there aint much to respond to

[junior flower]

But I still think my point stands

Sigma lore could be a-mei-zeing

[peak escarp]

or it could be very boring

aside from his accident, not much has happened to him

[rare trail]

yea

[junior flower]

I think that we could get much more

It's not being used enough

[rare trail]

i mean they would have to make him like do something

rather than just be a scientist

[junior flower]

Yes

[peak escarp]

you could say that about any hero

[junior flower]

I know

[peak escarp]

except maybe Soldier, Reaper, Tracer and Cassidy

[rare trail]

not winton?

[junior flower]

Listen I just want actual sigma lore ok

[peak escarp]

we'll get some eventually

[junior flower]

(Not cuz I main him or something)

[rare trail]

sigma lore might go hard

they dont really have anywhere to go with him rn tho

[junior flower]

Yes I want it to

[junior flower]

Yeah

Some day tho Some day

[merry mason]

Sigma lore one day

[golden oak]

He met Winston didn’t he

[rare trail]

i dont think so

[golden oak]

Or one of the scientists there

[peak escarp]

Sigma did meet both Dr. Winston and monkey Winston

when Winston was small

[golden oak]

Does overwatch know about talon keeping sigma with them?

[peak escarp]

probably not

[golden oak]

Damn so No chance of rescue

[urban copper]

I need all the lord explained rn

[rare trail]

robots are built

evil robot turns hacks all the robots and makes them fight humanity

some good guys get together and start overwatch

they beat the evil robots

overwatch continues and starts a black ops division called blackwatch

blackwatch kills a guy and gets exposed

overwatch gets disbanded after getting exposed

a couple years later overwatch is recalled by winston to fight bad guys called talon and null sector

talon wants to start a big worldwide war and null sector wants equality for robots

oh yeah and the robots they were fighting are sentient

and not evil now

[urban copper]

Thank you very much

[rare trail]

theres more lore for specific characters

like orisa ashe zen kiriko hanzo sym and lucio arent included in there

and the junkers are off doing their thing

[tepid sinew]

are the junkers even evil or just weird

cuz junkrat, hog, and junkerqueen dont seem like they are as evil as someone like doom or any talon member

[ivory garnet]

junkrat and hog are worldwide terrorists

[rare trail]

i mean theyre really racist

like all the junkers are very racist and junkrat and roadhog are terrorists like mikucio said

[sleek sleet]

Do we have any kiriko fanart?

[rare trail]

theres some in #fanart

#fanart message

[limpid agate]

Just weird

Roadhog and Junkrat are terrorirists , like the other user mentioned, but they people of Junkertown are just people

Same with the Queen

[tepid sinew]

who cares about a little terrorism

hog is funny

:3

[quiet rune]

:3

[sharp trench]

i want some rein lore

more rein lore

[ivory garnet]

not much to know

[rich island]

Australia is one of the most racist countries in the world! checks out >.>

[rare trail]

It is?

Huh

[rare trail]

He joined the crusaders and fought off omnics but left the crusaders to join overwatch and fight omnics and he was just yk doing overwatch stuff for a while till it got disbanded and then he was just like traveling around with his god daughter brig till the recall

And he’s friends with torb

[rich island]

yyyyep it's nuts, governments corrupt beyond the reasonable limit too, there is LITERALLY no doubt theyd do exactly what they did in OW lmao, also junkertown is ridiculously accurate to some places ive had to visit. only they weren't as technologically advanced

so kudos to the devs for being so on point

[sharp trench]

we need more lore for rein

fr

[rare trail]

Reins gonna be in pve so he should get some more

[rare trail]

Huh

The robot racism is accurate ig

[rich island]

yeppers!

[dusty coral]

Would anyone be interested in a debate between a theoretical fight between tracer and scout from tf2? Looking for outside opinions, I have a thesis prepared if preferred.

[celest thistle]

I mean they have a right to be
All they’ve known and lived around was a result of Omnics but tbh junkrat seems willing to be kind to omnics by the way he talks to bastion and rammatra, but then again he’s just trying to befriend everyone

[dusty coral]

ping me if you're interested in the debate I mentioned before

here we go

so 1st reaper, I've prepared a small article on my stance on the topic, would you prefer to read that, or shall we go back and forth

[ivory garnet]

do it in dms if ur gonna debate

[limpid agate]

Its not a debate

While Overwatch has low power level

TF2 is even lower

[rare trail]

Yea tracer wins

Medic is by far the most powerful on tf2 team scout is just a guy with a gun

Unless scout knows to shoot the anchor in tracers chest she wins

Idk if a bullet could destroy it though presumably it’s pretty strong

I mean there is a scenario that if scout somehow destroys the anchor he wins but that’s pretty unlikely

Tracer soloes

[vapid tusk]

made by winton so has to be

gorilla glue can work wonders as well

[rare trail]

Idk it didn’t take much to destroy it in doomfist origin

And it’s probably built light rather than built strong

[vapid tusk]

it's doom though

lore doom is like super powerful isnt he

[rare trail]

I mean yeah he is but idk

I feel like a bullet would be able to destroy it but it’s future tech so

[ivory garnet]

whats stronger, being smashed into a wall or a bullet

[rare trail]

She wasn’t smashed into a wall

[peak escarp]

Widowmaker slammed her into a wall and damaged her chronal accelerator

[ivory garnet]

^^^

[rare trail]

Yeah so a bullet could probably get through it

Although Winston’s armor could be on it which is pretty strong against bullets

[peak escarp]

if the chronal accelerator was bulletproof Tracer wouldn't have recalled out of the way of Widow's shot

[junior flower]

Yeah

[vapid tusk]

well me personally if i was wearing a bulletproof vest i would still choose to not get hit by bullets

but it makes sense

[maiden granite]

is tracer a good person

[peak escarp]

yes

[lavish raft]

Since I'm new to the whole overwatch series

How is hanzo and genji related and some1 talks about hanzo using a sword

[peak escarp]

Hanzo is Genji's older brother

Hanzo was trained to use the sword, but swore never to use it again after he nearly killed Genji

[maiden granite]

did he mean to do that?

[lavish raft]

Honestly kinda sad but thank you for the info

[peak escarp]

after his father was assassinated, the clan elders told Hanzo to get his brother to get his act together and help run the clan (the Shimada clan was a yakuza clan)

Genji refused, and Hanzo attacked

Hanzo thought he killed his brother, but Genji was rescued by Overwatch, who was spying on the Shimada family

Overwatch offered to give Genji a cybernetic body in exchange for his help taking down the Shimada clan - Genji agreed to it because he wanted to walk again (Hanzo's attack left him paralyzed)

[lavish raft]

Damn

[worthy rose]

Does Reaper need to eat?

[ivory garnet]

yeah

most likely

[worthy rose]

Y

He ded af

[mellow terrace]

whats dooms deal

[iron plume]

start war
humanity has to adapt and create new technology to survive war

humanity improved, supposedly

[golden oak]

His cells regenerate and decay faster so I’d say he has to eat even more than regular human

[twilit patrol]

And drink ?

[golden oak]

Yeah I guess

His modification didn’t make him immortal afaik, he can turn into smoke and is stronger than regular human and that’s it I think

[twilit patrol]

It would not be coherent if he is immortal.

[wind portal]

Technically, Reyes doesn't need to eat because of his faster regeneration, don't forget he's also a super soldier

[golden oak]

Fast regeneration would require lots of energy tho

[wind portal]

not necessarily, IIRC the regeneration is DNA based

which is something Moira knows how to work with

[twilit patrol]

Super soldier ok but not immortal

[north walrus]

what "family" relation does bastion have w brig

[wind portal]

from what we can tell, brig helped torbjorn not hate omnics anymore so she's presumably friends with Bastion

[clear kestrel]

do not tell TF2 fans this they have extremely fragile egos especially when their favorite game is threatened

[lofty oak]

I was just talking to a tf2 player earlier, we made a bet and now he gotta play ow2

he almost cried

[clear kestrel]

no seriously TF2 fans think OW fans are out to get them

[lofty oak]

ik

it's sad

[clear kestrel]

meanwhile I have never in my life met an OW fan who even gives a fuck about TF2
and if they do they usually like it

and if they don't that's what
one person?

oh and the community is full of phobes too

then again so is this one surprisingly but I guess any moderately popular multiplayer shooter attracts those kinds of people regardless of how inclusive it is

[lofty oak]

I tried tf2 once cuz I'm not gonna criticize something I've never played and holy shot it was like a CoD lobby

[brisk aspen]

💃

[dusty coral]

Replying to archive

So I’ve actually done quite a lot of research and comparison on this topic, I’ve outlined my points on a small article, Am I allowed to put it here?

[ivory garnet]

adoptive family

[dusty coral]

Also just to say I agree that the average tf2 player who joins an overwatch server will most likely be there to insult the game and it’s fanbase, but I’m just here to get a perspective supporting the opposite side of my view, I’m not criticizing the game by any means, just comparing and contrasting, finally as far as lobbies go I’d says it’s a hit or miss, I completely get what you mean with the cod lobby statement, but I’ve also seen ones that were chill af

[worthy rose]

Yeah he's superior to most OW characters imo. Including high tiers like Reaper and Reinhardt

[lofty oak]

the game does no justice to that fact

reaper is broken lore wise tho

[junior flower]

Yeah

[quiet rune]

He was already stronger, b/c the USA super soldier program he was in (Soldier 24)

[golden oak]

Since hes a tank now
Tank’s primary job is to make space for the team so the dps could get kill easier
When there’s a tank with high kill potential like hog used to be people were complaining so that’s why

Also afaik he was broken as dps

[rare trail]

i like doomfist as a tank bc hes the leader of talon so it like puts him in that role

[twilit patrol]

And i like Ramattra as tank because he’s the leader of Null Sector

[rare trail]

yea

its in bastet

[hollow flicker]

I actually didn’t know that

Holy shit the ships I’m boutta make with that information

[peak escarp]

Tracer is gay too

[hollow flicker]

HOLY SHIT

I DIDNT KNOW TRACER WAS GAY

That’s cool

[hollow flicker]

Happy for sis

Isn’t it tho?

[peak escarp]

Jesse McCree was his fake name

[hollow flicker]

Wait

YEAH I WAS BOUTTA SAY THAT

cole cassidy

[peak escarp]

a lot of outlaws have fake names

[hollow flicker]

I remembered bc that voice line where echo likes saying his name

[peak escarp]

like Billy the Kid (Henry McCarty) and Butch Cassidy (Robert Leroy Parker)

they should do a wedding event and let Lena and Emily finally get married

Winston can be the best man

[wet raven]

Can lore accurate doomfist just use a vacuum cleaner to kill reaper

Seems like a smart idea

[iron plume]

lore accurate doomfist would have no reason to kill reaper

for one

[rare trail]

it is an interesting question what would happen if reaper smoke was forced into a small space then he stopped being smoke

[wet raven]

yeah but what if he did for like

the funny

[quiet rune]

We've only seen their relationship once tho... Maybe there will be more details about it (and all the lore) in the PvE story line. [that is a good idea tho]

[peak escarp]

we've seen them together twice

in Reflections and in London Calling

[quiet rune]

So you know how water cant go into spaces that cant hold all its volume? Like how you phisically cant contain 5 liters of water in 4.5 liters space

[quiet rune]

Oh i didnt read one of those, only the Christmas one.

How were they in the other?

[rare trail]

the amount of smoke that appears when reaper goes smoky is not an entire bodies worth of smoke

[quiet rune]

You never said a smaller space than his smoke, only "a small space"

[rare trail]

a small space implies a smaller space than reyes could fit into\

like smoky reyes has a lot less volume than human reyes

the volume just uhh

goes away ig

[quiet rune]

Thats what happens when he reforms normally...

all the smoke goes away

[rare trail]

the amount of smoke generated for the amount of body lost isnt equal

like some of the volume is lost

cells degenerating or smth

[quiet rune]

The smoke is the excess cells, when he reforms, (i believe) he only keeps his (semi) regular amount of cells the rest remain smoke and fade away (correct me if im wrong)

[rare trail]

also smoke can fit into a lot more places that a human body can like even if the smoke was the same volume as reyes is what would happen if you put it in a really thin area and reyes turns back into his non smoke form

[quiet rune]

We agree that a 6 foot by 1 foot by 2 foot shape cannot be held in a space smaller than itself?

[rare trail]

i dont think fully smoky reyes has the same volume as normal reyes

[quiet rune]

No, but ur question is that smoke reyes can go into a space real reyes cant fit into

what happens if he goes back to normal reyes in that space

[rare trail]

yea

what would happen if he stops being smoky and cant fit

would he die?

would he break something?

[quiet rune]

Implosion

basically

he would be forced in on himself

(depending on the space) his spine would either colapse or fold in on itself

[peak escarp]

I think he would be smart enough to not materialize in a space that can't hold him

[rare trail]

yea

[quiet rune]

Well obvi

this is a hypothetical

lol

[wet raven]

given he acts like a cartoon villain half the time he'd probably be trapped there forever and the day would be saved

[jovial nimbus]

Would reaper heal if he shot himself

[undone anvil]

@jovial nimbus a little, but the regen is only a percentage so there would be no benefit and only loss.

[ivory garnet]

he would heal normally

his necrotic rounds wont damage him due to him having fast regeneration and degeneration

[brisk aspen]

Cassidy wants Moira

[ivory garnet]

idk if we should take this as canon or not. But that means Doomfist is a fan of Saitama, Soldier is a fan of Mumen Rider, and Kiriko is a fan of Tatsumaki

[peak escarp]

it just means that the skins are costumes, not the actual crossover characters like they do in Fortnite

[rare trail]

so is doomfist canoically a fan of an anime that came out before he was born?

[peak escarp]

I strongly doubt that a Nigerian warlord in 2076 is going to be a big fan of an anime character from 2015

[rare trail]

:(

so doomfist doesnt like saitama? :(

[ivory garnet]

its possible, not likely tho

[past copper]

These are fully grown adults

Who’ve lived through war

Doubt they have time to be fans of anime

The only one who would be is Kiriko

[rare trail]

they like silly little half century old cartoons

fr

[ivory garnet]

who is to say Doom doesnt watch his weekly showing of anime late at night

[hazy sentinel]

Yeah like surely when he does have free time who is to say he doesn’t

[viscid flame]

He is a fan of fighting games

[hazy sentinel]

You know I could see that

[rare trail]

that would be so cute

doom playing the new street fighter 25

[hallow shuttle]

in that case, I'm gonna say all skins are canon
and sombra's a joker fan

[ivory garnet]

we see sombra use that skin in Masquerade

[peak escarp]

that's not Joker

[ivory garnet]

i know, i was just saying that she has her jester outfit in Masquerade

[merry mason]

she said the thing!!!

[void vale]

why does zen have 9 balls and ram only has 1?

[peak escarp]

Zen is more enlightened

[void vale]

so 9 is the maximum because zen is like a monk and everything? or can there be more

[peak escarp]

idk

we don't know much about the Shambali's hierarchy

[void vale]

ah ok

even tho ram is like all violence and stuff how did he get that one orb? like to earn it?

[peak escarp]

he probably made it from nanites

[void vale]

ah ok

[quiet rune]

The thing!?

[quiet rune]

Yea, it seems to behave differently than Zens orbs

[maiden granite]

🤨

[rain shoal]

its interesting that most of Sigma's powers in-game arent canon yet but Zarya's graviton surge IS canon

[ivory garnet]

because Zarya has her comic, Sigma has his origin story

and a part of Code of Violence

but thats just him getting broken out

[rain shoal]

it obviously cant be a black hole since black holes that big will have about the same mass as jupiter

[ivory garnet]

only thing thats partially canon is his regular weapon

[rare trail]

btw the omnic crisis orisa skin is just null sector skin pretty much

null sector skin but orange

[ivory garnet]

its the same thing we saw in Honor and Glory iirc

[rain shoal]

though one has a barrier and the other had an energy sword

[ivory garnet]

where is the omnic crisis skin you guys are talking abt

[rain shoal]

which's why im kinda mad its not in-game yet since the last 3 events for OW1 had recolored skins AND bastion has both omnic crisis and null sector skins

[ivory garnet]

oh, you want it lol

[rare trail]

yeah

kinda cringe

[ivory garnet]

it’d just be OR-14NS reskin

[rare trail]

it would still be cool though\

[rain shoal]

and now watch them sell it in a bundle for like 20$

[rare trail]

i would want a recolored or-14ns\

[rain shoal]

unless they make obtainable in the PvE
it wouldnt make sense for the highly anticipated PvE to not give you good rewards after waiting all of these years

[ivory garnet]

it’d be nice if we got rewards

for like 3starring a mission

[rare trail]

wouldnt make sense to give omnic crisis skin though in pve

[ivory garnet]

if they implement that

[rare trail]

given pve is about null sector and talon

[ivory garnet]

yeah

[rare trail]

i could see them giving the talon skins for it though

or null sector skins

[ivory garnet]

for who though

All talon characters have talon skins (Reaper and Moira base skins ARE their talon skins, Dusk could be called “Talon”)

[merry mason]

widowmaker's default is her "talon skin" but she was the first to get a talon skin.

[hasty bay]

IMPORTANT LORE NEWS

genji is black

[rare trail]

?

hes asian

[rain shoal]

its interesting how in that skin her color isnt blue yet

[peak escarp]

because that's at the beginning of her training

before Moira's work had its affect on her

[maiden granite]

does dva appear in any of the comics

[ivory garnet]

yeah, we see her IN her Talon Skin though

[ivory garnet]

New Blood vol 5

[ivory garnet]

Unlike the others (besides Sigma and Doom iirc) We see Sombra, Bap, and Widow in their Talon named skins. However we never see Moira or Reaper wear any other suit other than the ones we see them in now, ofc besides Dusk Reaper but thats up to you to decide if thats his “Talon” archive skin

[rain shoal]

the OR-14s there kept their original OR-14 design, i hope its different when the PvE is released since the current null sector units look radically different from their uprising counterparts

[ivory garnet]

thats if we see much nerfed bastion/OR units

and those are still OR-14s in New Blood iirc

OR-15 were self defense units

or just defense units

[rain shoal]

i got the number wrong lol

[ivory garnet]

hm

so blue beam is canon, just dont know what it does

it seems its giving Genji a surge though

[wind portal]

looks like an energy amp

[ivory garnet]

maybe, hopefully we get insight on what it is

[shy otter]

Dmg boost lol

[ivory garnet]

theres nothing telling us its damage boost

just because it looks similar doesnt mean it is

[worthy rose]

Yep she just electrocuting her allies

[rare trail]

which comic is that?

[ivory garnet]

new blood vol 5

[worthy rose]

Nah they changed it

[opaque scroll]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[half orchid]

He's asian

[half orchid]

She says that line in her Ult if you're on the enemy team, or you're playing as her (apagando las luces)

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[half orchid]

I really hope the Mumen Rider skin isn't paid because I fucking hate spending money on a game I already spent money on

[ivory garnet]

Mumen Rider isnt paid

[half orchid]

Good

[ivory garnet]

its free thru the event

[golden oak]

What does Ana say in Arabic while delivering nanoboost

[worthy rose]

GET IN THERR

[iron plume]

"Show them your strength"

[golden oak]

Thanks

[quiet rune]

The venom skin ain’t that bad tho…

[iron plume]

Not really a discussion for this channel

[upbeat thistle]

riud e withebs or smt

[golden oak]

Soldier skin lowkey ugly tho

[rare trail]

i think you're straying a lil off topic

i think in junkenstein comic soldier wears the 1776 skin

so its kinda canon

[peak escarp]

he's wearing one of his daredevil skins

[rare trail]

oh mb

[novel oar]

i have that skin, shit is so thug

[ivory garnet]

would be interesting to see that Reinhardt skin in game

[golden oak]

Damn rein general? Looks so good

Or captain

Looks like ship captain

[peak escarp]

I'd call it Admiral

[nova bridge]

So wait- did Ana use the biotic rifle while she was in overwatch or only when she became shrike and onwards?

[peak escarp]

only after

it's not known how she got it, but she probably just stole it from an old Overwatch base like Soldier did for his weapon

[golden oak]

Didnt torbjorb make it for her

[peak escarp]

he did, but it was just a prototype and she didn't get to use it before she "died"

[golden oak]

Ohh

They used Mercy’s technology for it didnt they and she wasnt very happy about it

[golden oak]

Is that the healing pad soldier has underneath?

[peak escarp]

yes

[golden oak]

I assume brigitte’s equipment was made by torbjorn as well

[peak escarp]

she probably made it herself, with his help

[ivory garnet]

she made her gear herself from what we saw in her Origin Story, but yeah probably with Torb’s help

[latent heron]

doomfist should get buff cuz he has one of the most strongest weapons in the story

[golden oak]

Bap and Ana interaction is so funny like, why does he wanna rizz up a granny 😭

[north walrus]

so like what did bastion do after torbjorb adopted him

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen what happens next yet

that'll be in the PvE

but here's a preview

[rare trail]

that video goes hard

whats it from?

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/lRj-GotnNaQ

lots of storyboards and half-finished cutscenes in this panel

[worthy rose]

I hate this shot. Bastion looks so scared, the poor guy

[peak escarp]

you would be too if a 7" tall angry German man was running towards you

[rare trail]

yeah

reinhardt kinda a goober for scaring bastion like that

[peak escarp]

but at least Reinhardt recognizes that Bastion isn't attacking, so they have a chance to talk

[worthy rose]

That's true

[peak escarp]

there's storyboards that seem to be the scene after - Torbjorn shows up and explains the situation

also other storyboards where Bastion is in a dropship with the Overwatch team, so it seems like it goes with them on missions

[rare trail]

ig thats rein meeting bastion

pretty irresponsible of torb to leave bastion there with rein imo

[north walrus]

oh my god thank you ive been looking 4 this video clip

[ivory garnet]

its irresponsible of Torb for not introducing them

[quiet rune]

If u pitted him against a Winston, a Tracer, a Mercy, and a Genji he would for sure lose it n the current meta lol

[rare trail]

mercy?

she wasnt in the fight in singapore

[worthy rose]

hello

[rare trail]

hi

[hallow quiver]

I love queuing up for quickplay and getting hacked 1932748132764 times because i decided to play a hero i enjoy

[opaque scroll]

wrong channel

[limpid agate]

I don't think she would have made a difference

Genji and Tracer both had mechanical problems

Rather than getting injured

[rare trail]

Yeah I agree

[peak escarp]

I believe Mercy was sent to deal with the situation in Egypt during that time

[earnest dirge]

Does storm rising take place before or after the London Null sector attack?

[peak escarp]

after

Retribution was 8 years ago
Uprising was 7 years ago
Storm Rising was 6 years ago

[earnest dirge]

This is probably a dumb question but 8,7,6 years from what event?

[ivory garnet]

present events

[peak escarp]

from Overwatch 1's present day

which is when Winston sent out the Recall

Overwatch 2 is set a few years later, but we don't know exactly how long

[opaque scroll]

what

[peak escarp]

most of the time, when you see "X years ago" in the lore, they're using Recall as the anchor point

[opaque scroll]

I thought ow2 was supposed to be set exactly 1 year from recall

[peak escarp]

Zero Hour is 1 year after Recall

OW2 has a further timeskip

which explains Orisa's change in personality

[ivory garnet]

it’ll prolly tell us as a screen when loading up the first mission/cutscnee

cutscene*

im guessing they’ll have dates shown on the mission screens

[worthy rose]

Are her mechanical changes canon?

Like the lack of shield and bongo?

Or does canon Orisa have both kits now

Cos man, she'd be a unit

If she had both

Would almost make beating Doomfist believable

[ivory garnet]

only her ow1 abilities are showed canon

[rare trail]

I thought fortify wasn’t shown

[rare trail]

Doomfist isn’t perfect especially against a robot built by a genius specifically made to beat doomfist

[ivory garnet]

built in fortify

her armor plating is already her fortify

[worthy rose]

That's the only thing she had going for her

At least a secondary and more effective form of attack would make sense if she was designed to beat Doomfist

cough cough javelin cough cough

[worthy rose]

Is fortify as busted as it is in game

[ivory garnet]

uhm, hard to say

her armor is extremely durable as we know

but idk if its the same foot planting mechanism the OR-14 used or not

i dont think so

[worthy rose]

Would canon fortify protect her from dying to Dva bomb?

[ivory garnet]

having the dva survived the wave of the blast

i’d say Orisa has a good chance

[worthy rose]

Oh

Forgot to mention

[ivory garnet]

its not like D.VA can use that alot tho

[worthy rose]

point blank Dva Bomb

[rare trail]

I don’t think anyones surviving point blank dva bomb

[ivory garnet]

^^^

[rare trail]

Maybe like reaper

[worthy rose]

Cos b4 the Fortify health nerf, she could in game

[rare trail]

But even reaper would probably get killed

[ivory garnet]

reaper probably wouldnt get killed, he’d definitely be blown away tho (wraith form ofc)

in human form he’d probably die

[worthy rose]

"They can't kill me in a way that matters"

[rare trail]

Sym might be able to make a wall quick enough

Rein and brig shield might stop it somewhat

[solid elm]

could doomfist take on angry winston, i know winston and tracer won that battle but what about a one on one

[chilly widget]

Probably

[iron plume]

Winston won against Doomfist when Genji and Tracer were already out

[chilly widget]

Their battle in Singapore wasn’t one sided

[ivory garnet]

it was

[viscid flame]

Rammatra might be able to survive, depending on how good his nanite abilities are in lore

[quiet rune]

I think they are… because Efi (I think that’s how u spell it) made changes to her kit I believe

[past coral]

Have you ever thought about the fact that zenyatta can jump even tho he is hovering already

[warm locust]

Just hover higher

[past coral]

Yeah but why if he is already hovering

[iron plume]

@solemn vigil Not a question for this channel

[iron plume]

I mean
the same reason you jump, to get over higher obstacles
he doesn't hover very high

[rare trail]

do we know how close angry winton vs doomfist was?

[golden oak]

Who’s stronger? Ramattra or Doom, ramattra or sigma

[twilit patrol]

Doom and Sigma

(My opinion)

[rare trail]

ram has no feats

neither does sigma

but probably sigma

[twilit patrol]

[hallow shuttle]

next they're gonna turn the elden beast into a player character

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[young lily]

Who was the 3rd crusader in the honor and glory cinematic

1:57

[peak escarp]

none of the other crusaders have names

[young lily]

Isn’t it a bit ironic that Mei uses freeze technology when considering that’s how her friends died

[peak escarp]

she had to make use of what she had available

[golden oak]

She seems to really like ice tho

[dense nebula]

You’re usually fascinated and obsessed with what brings you to near death

[half orchid]

Good

[formal dune]

is rammatra an omnic

[wet raven]

he's a robot like bastion and orisa i swear

[peak escarp]

Ramattra is an omnic, yes

[worthy rose]

ramattra is a fnaf animatronic

[spice reef]

Who is the oldest character again? 😭

[worthy rose]

Sigma, I'm pretty sure

[spice reef]

👍

[peak escarp]

Sigma is 62
Reinhardt is 61
Ana is 60

[peak escarp]

Bastion was only made 30 years ago

[junior flower]

Ana looking hella old for just 60

[upbeat thistle]

probably the overwatch effect

[golden oak]

Is orisa sentient like omnics or programmed

[tight matrix]

Yes

Sentient identity

[wind portal]

she's a rebuilt omnic

[golden oak]

But OR15 weren’t?

[iron plume]

correct

Orisa's personality is Efi's doing

[ivory garnet]

OR15’s were built after the sentience began

[ivory garnet]

shot in the dark, but possible next support is peruvian or samoan?

[past copper]

Mauga is Samoan I believe

So doubtful there

[golden oak]

Who knows, also could be someone from esperanca or colosseo

Although I ran through esperanca to search for some clues but all I found was some portraits but doubt that’s anything important

And only clue in colosseo is the gladiators but they fit the tank role more I guess

[worthy rose]

Who is mercy dating if she is dating someone

[rare trail]

she isnt dating anyone

its hinted shes maybe dating genji

[peak escarp]

Genji

[worthy rose]

I need a good sombra guide

[true locust]

This is the lore channel

[pseudo vigil]

use my temu link and ill buy u nitro

[hot idol]

Me

[solemn jay]

switch to tracer yw

[grand crater]

do we know how long ago ramattra joined and left the shambali

[peak escarp]

according to his short story, he left the Shambali 4 years before the uprising, which was 7 years before present

so 11 years ago

we don't know when he joined

[grand crater]

i see i see

ty

[keen summit]

Pr could be Sanjay/ max but no teasers makes it all hard

I'd say not maximillian cuz then circuit would probs have teasers by niw

[limpid agate]

Max also wont be a hero

He's not a combatant

[keen summit]

how i see it he could be forced to and could use a controlled suit like we thought orisa would be or liek the cars in circuit

again i dont remember whic trailer but there is a line were max says "i cant do this.."

ofcourse i think if this theory would happen there would be build up with us seeing the suit being made and being placed in circuit royale somewhere maybe up stairs in casino

[tidal cave]

Does our historical events also occur in overwatch timeline? (WW2 & others)

[ivory garnet]

he says that for the PVE trailer to talon, which makes us believe he might change sides

[ivory garnet]

yes, everything up to 2016 has happened for them aswell

[warped latch]

damn the world of overwatch was never hit w covid

[keen summit]

its never ACTUALLY confirmed tbh, but likely yes

[coral path]

Ye he is

Tbh

I just want Mauga in the game

I just think he's cool asf

[wind portal]

Mauga will likely be in the game at some point

after we get the supports

[coral path]

Yea

Pretty sure they did say after the supports its gonna be a tank

Might be remembering that wrong tho

[wind portal]

It'll probably be Mauga when we get a tank

[coral path]

Ye

[limpid agate]

Almost certainly

[wind portal]

It'd be a miss opportunity

if they didn't include Mauga

[coral path]

Fax

[limpid agate]

That season will be announced at Blizzcon too

[keen summit]

s8 probs is tank

[limpid agate]

S8 is a tank

Not probs

[keen summit]

yea

[wind portal]

if it's not mauga I'll mald

[keen summit]

who knows maybe they for some reason throw a curveball

to support

[coral path]

Same

[keen summit]

would be hella stupid

[limpid agate]

Its 2 supports and a tank

In that order

[coral path]

Ye

[keen summit]

its 2 supports and not a dps

[coral path]

Wonder when the next dps is comin

[keen summit]

only thing confirmed is s8 isnt dps

[limpid agate]

Its 2 supports and a tank in that order

[keen summit]

when it comes down to it

[keen summit]

i think so too but its not confirmed

its 2 supports

and not dps

so its probs tank

[coral path]

Yea it is? I think

[limpid agate]

It is confirmed

Its 2 supports and a tank in that order

[coral path]

Yea

[keen summit]

where? cuz they only said next 2 heroes are support

if i missed sum i'd love to know

all i know is that it was said till after s8 no dps heroes

and next 2 heroes are support

leaving last hero most likely tank but technicaly COULD be support aswell

hella unlikely cuz they wouldve said next 3 heroes are support but technically is possible

[opaque scroll]

this is a certified ☝️🤓

[worthy rose]

I doubt we’re gonna get 3 supports in a row. That’d annoy me

[keen summit]

I doubt it too, but it IS blizz

Imagine we get a tank and its just random character who comes outta nowhere like ashe or sigma did

[golden oak]

I mean, Lucio was a DJ and Mei was a scientist but they fight also so I don’t see them not being trained to fight a problem, especially if he will be support

[limpid agate]

Lucio and Mei were introduced as heroes

Maximilien was introduced as a non-combatant

While Lucio and Mei didnt even exist as speculatable before they released

[keen summit]

everything is possible if he wanted

[versed torrent]

Where tf does ball fit in

[thorn kindle]

Hampter

[limpid agate]

Hammond came from the same moon base as Winston, and latched onto Winston's escape pod.

Hammond landed in Australia near Junkertown

Converted his escape pod into a mech

And became the champion of the Scrapyard

Now, he is Junkerqueen's bodyguard

[thorn kindle]

Hamper. He’s simply a legend

[versed torrent]

😂

Some smart ass rat came in and beat up a bunch of warriors and protects their queen lol

Must feel bad

[thorn kindle]

I genuinely wonder if Winston and hammonds friendship will ever be mended.

[limpid agate]

Probably not

[thorn kindle]

Id be mad too if I was being left to fend for myself in space and barely escaped

[wooden cove]

You’ve been here since the beginning of time

You must know all the lore answers

[limpid agate]

Yes.

[wooden cove]

Who is the strongest / weakest in lore?

[limpid agate]

Its debated between Winston, Orisa, Sigma, and Symmetra

[wooden cove]

Winston got his ass beat in every cinematic

I feel like it would be Sigma

[golden oak]

What about doom

[limpid agate]

Doomfist lost in a fist fight to Winston when he had the Doomfist gauntlet

And he literally couldnt do anything to Orisa

[golden oak]

So Sigma > Orisa > Winston > Doom

[limpid agate]

No

The strongest is one of Winston, Orisa, Sigma, or Symmetra

The second strongest is one of Winston, Orisa, Sigma, or Symmetra

[golden oak]

Why sym?

[limpid agate]

The third strongest is one of Winston, Orisa, Sigma, Symmetra, or Doomfist if exactly Winston and Orisa are top 2

Symmetra's hard light bending is overpowered

Like

Absurdly

And unlike Sigma

She has feats that are rediculous

[golden oak]

Is her photon projector canon?

[limpid agate]

Of course

[golden oak]

But what is she capable of doing with it

[limpid agate]

She can build city infrastructure "in the blink of an eye," she can build structures tallest than the tallest building in the world that exists right now, she can casually create teleports and other physics defying creations. She also made Zenyatta's transcendence on a larger scale

Like, where do you live, somewhere in the US?

Think of the tallest building you've seen

Put a second copy of that building on top of it

She can build structures taller than that

[worthy rose]

Symmetra is literally in creative mode

[wooden cove]

Symmetra creative mode moment

[thorn kindle]

I feel like orisa would be the strongest due to her ability

And agility…

She’s apparently chased down people

[limpid agate]

Yeah people

Not Winston, Sigma, or Symmetra

Who are also in a different league than most people she chases down

[thorn kindle]

Well Winston has a thruster and sigma can levitate so…

How does sigma even levitate

[limpid agate]

He has some manipulation over Gravity

[thorn kindle]

I thought he was just mentally insane

[limpid agate]

We dont know how much

No

He isnt mentally insane

[thorn kindle]

Then what is he? Since talon was able to manipulate him so easily

Almost like he was a child

[limpid agate]

Not that extreme

His mind broke due to an experiment gone wrong, and so he isn't all collected

His mind is scattered

But its still his mind

And its still collected enough for him to work on things that he needs to work on

He's still doing research

[thorn kindle]

So was the experiment that went wrong also the experiment that gave him the ability to manipulate gravity?

[limpid agate]

Yes

Read his bio

!!loreheroes sigma

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sigma#story

[thorn kindle]

For sure

[thorn kindle]

But also what exactly is soj? I never really knew how she was explained besides some interactions in game with her and orisa were she was being praised

[limpid agate]

What?

She's a cyborg

Most of her body is cyberized

Again, read her bio

!!loreheroes sojourn

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sojourn#story

[wooden cove]

She has 200k polygons of thighs

[wind portal]

tbf, I don't necessarily think Winston is top 5 strongest, the reason people put him up that high is 'because the plot wants him to be'

[worthy rose]

Winston has plot armor

[wind portal]

He doesn't beat Reaper in a vacuum for example, which was already mostly shown in the recall cinematic, Reaper just got cocky and Winston took advantage of that

[rain shoal]

bruh ikr, Vishkar must be a really powerful corporation for that reason

[worthy rose]

well winston as mostly unprepared and was kinda rusty at the time

[rain shoal]

her thighs have more polygons than the pie from the Reunion cinematic lol

[iron plume]

well they are
They basically run the cities they "helped" entirely

[quiet rune]

Also he used ult when Reaper didnt have his

[iron plume]

That's not really a thing in lore

[rare trail]

no

winston has beaten him

orisa too

sigma and sym likely beat him

[quiet rune]

I figured, it was more a joke, but the point still stands

[quiet rune]

Yea, it’s known sigma is one of the strongest members of talon especially because, you know, he has the power of a black hole. He’s just a baby tho

But Sym probably not