lore-discussion

[clear kestrel]

imagine thinking that makes your opinion more valid

how egotistical

[ivory garnet]

theres no reason for archives to come back

[worthy rose]

It would be kinda odd for them to bring back snowball fight and other event games so far and just never let anyone play archives again

[foggy ore]

No reason to think archives is affected by the pve mode coming

[clear kestrel]

also this
by this logic they wouldn't bring junkenstein back or make an entirely new mode

PVE is not for ages

[ivory garnet]

PvE comes out this year

[foggy ore]

As I said. The new pve mode is going to have alot more depth to it than the archives mode

[clear kestrel]

not for months potentially

[ivory garnet]

it can come out next season

[clear kestrel]

you love your conjecture don't you

you always speak like you actually have the definite answer on hand

[foggy ore]

Bro is on copium to not loose the argument

[ivory garnet]

i love stating the obvious

[clear kestrel]

obvious based on your own perception with nothing much backing it

[ivory garnet]

no, but im using reasons why archives wont be returning

[foggy ore]

Or. Hear me out

You could just accept what you said was dumb and take the L

[clear kestrel]

and your reasons arent concrete

[ivory garnet]

theres 0 reason for it to return

neither is yours!

[clear kestrel]

no mine are fairly grounded

[ivory garnet]

you used “achievements” as a reason

[clear kestrel]

yea and that's more evidence than you've provided

you've just given some vague statement about PVE affecting it

[ivory garnet]

thats roughly the same amount

[clear kestrel]

even though it really shouldn't

[ivory garnet]

it should

Archives has nothing to do with PvE

[clear kestrel]

it won't

[foggy ore]

All ow1 events have returned so far.

[clear kestrel]

exactly which is why bringing it back wouldn't affect it

[ivory garnet]

so why should Archives come back if archives is a plot to the story, even though it takes place years before

[worthy rose]

I see where you’re coming from but I wouldn’t say 0 reason, archives was meant to provide lore and I can only assume they’d want the new ow2 player base to be exposed to said lore without having to go searching for the wiki or play through.

[clear kestrel]

because it's an event?

with exclusive skins?

and game-modes?

[ivory garnet]

so was dusk

[clear kestrel]

that's happened annually almost every year

[ivory garnet]

code of violence*

[clear kestrel]

and the one time it didn't happen was because OW2 was releasing

but that would have applied to any event

[foggy ore]

Yeah. All the pre ow2 2022 events were anniversary remix

Apart from lunar new year

[ivory garnet]

and archives had no updates since the year it was initially released, besides the fact to keep on retelling the same story with the same rewards

[twilit patrol]

Yes i believe

[clear kestrel]

yes

as does every other event

you're reaching now

[ivory garnet]

and those are seasonal events

[foggy ore]

Also not even true. They did new modes for years 2 and 3

[ivory garnet]

archives isnt

[clear kestrel]

doesn't matter

it's still an annual event

please just concede

[ivory garnet]

archives has 0 reasoning of coming back just because of “achievements” are still shown

[worthy rose]

For all we know they’ll leave archives as a permanent pve mode to go along with the new one lol

Truth is we won’t know until something is announced

[clear kestrel]

yes and that's exactly why it'd make sense to bring them back

so players can get those achievements

and again
you don't have any counter evidence beyond
"I say it wont come back"

[ivory garnet]

why would they bring back something just for achievements for new players? bringing back archives would cloud up PvE. Its very easy to go online and search up the mission play-throughs. Bring Archives back could mix up the time with newer players for the PvE

[clear kestrel]

you're so goddamn presumptious

you're basing your entire argument

[ivory garnet]

no, its knowing what can happen

[clear kestrel]

off of the ASSUMPTION that these two things would release at the same time

that's your entire argument

[ivory garnet]

i never said they’d release at the same time did I?

[clear kestrel]

do you think Blizzard would be that dumb?

then what's your point?

it's a limited time event

[ivory garnet]

reas

read

[clear kestrel]

it'll be over by the time PVE roles around

[worthy rose]

How would it cloud up the main PVE if they only appear once a year?

[clear kestrel]

who the fuck cares?

it's not gonna cloud shit

you have no argument

[ivory garnet]

the story itself and characters

[clear kestrel]

lol

such a reach

[worthy rose]

Archives would add to the story though? Why introduce the playable story of OW’s present day and sacrifice the playable story of its past?

[clear kestrel]

honestly the logic I would expect from someone who thinks being a self proclaimed "overwatch lore expert" elevates their opinion above someone elses

[ivory garnet]

i never said i was an overwatch lore expert

but you can go off what u think ofc

[clear kestrel]

that's basically what you implied

unless you want to tell me something different

[ivory garnet]

im not talking abt myself there

[clear kestrel]

LOL

the backpedaling

[ivory garnet]

no?

[clear kestrel]

then who were you talking about?

[ivory garnet]

lore regular is a role

[clear kestrel]

ok and?

[ivory garnet]

something I dont have

[clear kestrel]

and?

[ivory garnet]

Doctor_Six

[clear kestrel]

and why should I care about what they think?

what do they know that I don't?

[ivory garnet]

because they are someone trusted in the community

[clear kestrel]

cool

that means shit

they know about as much as anyone else

[ivory garnet]

they probably know more than you

[clear kestrel]

about the story?
sure

but we're not talking about the story here

if archives doesn't come back
whatever, I'll concede
but until Blizz themselves outright confirm it

you can keep your baseless conjecture

[ivory garnet]

and you can keep yours

achievements can sit there

that doesnt have to mean anything

[clear kestrel]

no but it can

and that's more than you have to go off of

[ivory garnet]

but it also cant

[worn island]

Just read code of violence again

Man reapers lore is cool

but not well represented in game at all

he just sounds needlessly edgy in game

[clear kestrel]

tbf much time has passed

he's become very bitter and cynical

[stoic echo]

Hey guys, me and a few other colleagues of mine are testing our hypothesis, it's an easy 3 question survey, so please help us out! It's related to the lore

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf7H6nmbMmUhUSiU1pFgpC9ZGDSXzTr7dQaCmLVwvyO6HFJGw/viewform?usp=sf_link

Dammit, it's a Google form as you can see

[foggy ore]

I did it

[stoic echo]

Thank you!

[worn island]

hmm

that form was...certainly something

I think its only a matter of time before it gets removed

[hexed cobalt]

overwatch lore discussion is sooooo cool

[stable vapor]

Ong

[twilit patrol]

I agree

[foggy ore]

@stoic echo wait as it one character per category or was it multiple choice

[foggy ore]

Nah. I feel the ow team is 100% aware of the fact people simp these characters. Especially when they add stuff like the moira valentines line or the many many widow cosmetics that.. well you know

[worthy rose]

Even in lore he is the supreme edgelord lol

But no matter how hard he tries he can never be cooler than a certain scientist though ;)

[stoic echo]

do whatever you want, I chose the same character twice

[pastel geode]

Imagine dva gets a panic attack inside of her mech and gets claudthrophobia and ptsd when getting into her mech but she slowly comes back when she sees the suport from everyone around her and she gets a new drive to pilot

[peak escarp]

why would D.Va have a panic attack

[rare trail]

the updated bios changed this

they refer to bastion as he/him instead of it

its kinda weird calling bastion bastion bc like thats just the name of his model that would be like naming someone human

[pastel geode]

its just a hypothetical situation it could happen during a very intense mission agaist talon and she meets sigma and she is just about to crush her in her suit and her self eject isnt working

[peak escarp]

...that's an oddly specific hypothetical situation

[rare trail]

is she going to be in the pve?

[peak escarp]

Bastion's model is E54

[rare trail]

yea but i thought they were like called bastions though?

the bio kinda makes it seem like "Bastion-E54" is the full name of the model

[peak escarp]

the old bio listed its name as "SST Laboratories Siege Automaton E54"

[rare trail]

hmm

weird

[wet sand]

[twilit patrol]

[gray kayak]

@peak escarp Hopefully the quote/automod issue won't be a problem anymore

[peak escarp]

good

[worthy rose]

is genji hanzos brother?

[ivory garnet]

yes

[worthy rose]

is there a place i can go for all overwatch lore

[ivory garnet]

standard backgrounds are on the overwatch website

and so are comics

and short stories

[worthy rose]

youre top 17 widow

crazy

[ivory garnet]

in my dream

[worthy rose]

oh 😦

[grand wedge]

Start with the biographies and comics and such on the official website - also check the pinned messages in this channel 🙂

[raven forge]

Who is the strongest in overwatch 2 lore?

[peak escarp]

Sigma

[worthy rose]

Still Winston

[frozen epoch]

lol cringe

[low cipher]

What is ashes lore?

[peak escarp]

she's an heiress who got disowned by her family so she robbed them to take back her inheritance

[golden oak]

Valid

[worthy rose]

Is Sigma Talon skin canon?

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen it in the lore

[golden oak]

Wish there was talon skin for moira and reaper as well

[peak escarp]

their defaults are their Talon skins

[rare trail]

yea

would be cool to have the black white and red color scheme the other talon skins have

and reapers talon skin is kinda dusk

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[golden oak]

Then what are Sombra, widow, sigma and doom default skins

[ivory garnet]

just what they wear

all their talon uniforms are from the past

Widow was when she shot ana

Sombra appeared in Code of Violence

and idk if Doom and Sigma’s were shown anywhere

[rare trail]

is dooms talon skin even canon?

ik sigmas isnt

[peak escarp]

Doomfist's is

you can see it in the epilogue of Retribution

[ivory garnet]

ty ty

so its just sigma’s

[rain shoal]

since ramattra basically revived the B73 and OR-15 units in the kings row uprising then who's not to say that he wont revive his fellow R-7000 ravagers? i mean the concept art for null sector had enemies that resemble ramattra (the last ravager) from appearance to the advanced weaponry and one of the ones we've seen casually manipulates gravity so at this point expect anything

[peak escarp]

maybe

[wind portal]

who's most likely to be a hero that isn't mentioned in the game yet, Probably Mauga?

[ivory garnet]

yeah

for support i'd imagine its a new character

[rare trail]

could be one of the ones from the null sector story

but probably a new character

[ivory garnet]

i dont see nameless being a playable character

[ruby talon]

i reckon the omnics are actually the good guys

[peak escarp]

how so?

[rare trail]

i mean omnics arent bad guys

they exist

[ivory garnet]

majority of omnics are good

Null Sector’s drones, Ramattra, and Talon omnics are bad

[ornate lotus]

ramattra has reason to do what he does but talon omnics are bad bad

[rare trail]

wdym talon omnics

what omnics are in talon?

[ornate lotus]

just think talon bad guys and the bosses back in the ow1 archives

but ramattra

an omnic

basically being nice wasnt working

so war and war

[rare trail]

werent all enemies in the archives just guys in suits?

ramattra isnt in talon hes just working with them

[ornate lotus]

i know im talking about how some omnics are bad guys some arent

now talon bad bad

aight no explenation

but

[rare trail]

but like what talon omnics?

[ornate lotus]

idk that dude said talon omnics or im just crazy

but

most omnics are not bad

they do what they need to do to survive

so ramattra got angry cuz peace wasnt working

so he created null sector

and most of the omnics in his army

are mindless

but normal omnics like zen

have brains and hes trying to protect them

the only real bad guys are talons and jerk humans

omnics just want to defend them selves

[limpid agate]

The only known Talon Omnic is Maximilien

And he doesn't agree with Doomfist

[ornate lotus]

yeah he doesnt

[limpid agate]

So why are you saying Talon Omnics are bad bad

When he's the only one we know

Oh nevermind someone else said that

[ornate lotus]

yeah

[wind portal]

omnics aren't inherently good or evil, they just follow whatever programming they had, albiet some omnics, like bastion, have some capabilities of breaking their programming

[ornate lotus]

well they still have that programming in them but they break through and go down a different path but with the same programming like ramattra he was built for war

but most omnics had a mind of there own

at least the casual ones

[swift kiln]

Looking for 2 people for a full plat/ high gold stack ! pc only

[patent harness]

nice lore xD

[grand wedge]

!!shitposting @dense halo

[twilit nacelle]

@dense halo Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[golden oak]

Is Sombra’s EMP a canon ability?

[gritty yarrow]

id assume so

[golden oak]

So she could like kill all omnics in a certain area if she wanted to?

[worthy rose]

probably yea

[polar sequoia]

I swear this server is toxic as hell. I say an opinion about what I think and 10 people just shit on me. Its stupid

[twilit patrol]

Please don't put all of us in your story

[vapid tusk]

is Snowball an omnic

[peak escarp]

it's a drone

[dawn rover]

can mercy canonically raise the dead or is that just power creep?

[peak escarp]

that's just gameplay

here's what resurrect looks like in the lore

[dawn rover]

that makes sense

[vapid tusk]

she can heal pretty much anything besides death right

lorewise

[limpid agate]

Not really

She can't just heal back Ana's eye for example

She can surgically give her a replacement, probably a cybernetic one, but she can't heal it back

She also evidently hasnt been able to heal other amputees like Torbjorn, Genji, Reinhardt

Or heal Tracer's Chronal Disassociation

Mercy even voiced concern to Winston over his bone strength, which he needs to take supplements for

And going back there now, I see the subtle pointer or reintroduction back towards the Space Station that later became Sigma. Probably a stretch for my hero prediction theory, but it matches Ramattra getting a background mention in an extended lore piece as a concept (Revators in Sojourn's novel)

[sudden sable]

So Mercy can heal gunshots or scrapes? If gunshots, why can’t she heal Rein’s scar? How does the Caduceus Staff work? Or is it just Mercy? The mysteries of man

[limpid agate]

Weve never seen her do anything major with it

The biggest healing feat she showed was the kid from Valkyrie

!!lorestories

[twilit nacelle]

Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul
Code of Violence: https://bit.ly/33CeroL

Lore Bites:
Yōkai: https://bit.ly/3UDJzKb
Reflections: https://bit.ly/3FiMNx2

Overwatch Novels. Note: These books are not free, but can be purchased online from a retailer like Amazon (linked)
The Hero of Numbai: https://amzn.to/3lYlzRT
Deadlock Rebels: https://amzn.to/3PRgDMl
Overwatch: Sojourn: https://amzn.to/3z4mc47

[peak escarp]

I don't think she can heal things that have already healed

[warm locust]

Yes, it's more a mark than a hurt

[spice reef]

If i was hurt in ow lore. Which healer should i go to for treatment?

[peak escarp]

Mercy

she's the only one who is an actual doctor

[spice reef]

Ok

[rare trail]

does moira have a phd?

[ivory garnet]

if so it would be as a chemist

not a doctor

[vocal marsh]

I think she’s a geneticist biologist and chemist sorta

But she has little experience taking care of patients from what we’ve seen so far

[ivory garnet]

she uses humans as experiments

seen with reaper and widowmaker

[wooden cove]

Kiriko

She’s literally magic

[spice reef]

Oh yh

[wooden cove]

Yeah

I’d go to her

[wind portal]

Mercy is a licensed doctor so I'd go to her

[ornate lotus]

nah cuh baptiste💀

[rare trail]

mercy kiriko bap ana and zen all heal in some way

mercy is the only one with a medical license though

lucio brig and moira you probably shouldnt go to

[wind portal]

baptiste ain't really a 'doctor', more like a battle medic

I'd prefer Bap in battle but if I have a headache or something I'm going to Mercy

[peak escarp]

Baptiste does at least work in a medical clinic

so he'd be okay to treat minor wounds

Ana isn't very good at first aid

Kiriko's got her magic healing, but I trust actual medicine more

[rare trail]

do we know the extent of the yellow biotic healing goo mercy invented?

[wooden cove]

Kiriko >

[austere agate]

in game if you get a kill with kiriko on certain characters, she’ll say “silly human” as if she’s not human herself

why is that

[limpid agate]

Its the mythic skin

[golden oak]

Yeah prob that, I never heard that

Every mythic and some legendaries have unique voice lines

[ivory garnet]

She says that because her skin is a God, not a mortal being, so thats why she says “Silly human”

and, I’d trust Mercy with healing me, next up Baptiste

wouldnt trust anyone else

Moira: Is a biologist/chemist
Ana: Purely just a sniper and knows how to patch up very minor wounds
Kiriko: I wouldnt trust magic
Lucio: Doesnt actually have healing
Zen: N/A
Brig: Same deal with Ana except not being a sniper

Bap was an actual combat medic, and Mercy has a phd in medicine

[peak escarp]

you forgot
Moira: is unethical

she could be the biggest medical genius ever and I still wouldn't let her anywhere near me

[warm locust]

What's the story between Sym and Zenyatta?

[peak escarp]

they met in the short story Stone By Stone, after Vishkar damaged a statue in a Shambali temple and Symm is sent to figure out how to make it right

it's my favourite of the short stories so far

[ivory garnet]

yeah i knew that, but jsut didnt know how to put it so I put biologist/chemist ty

[worn island]

✅ ✅

[obtuse snow]

when did the doomfist reveal trailer take place in the story?

[ivory garnet]

his origin story?

6 months or 2 years before Masquerade comic iirc

[worthy rose]

Guys

Is the Saitama Doomfist skin canon?

[worthy rose]

I'd trust Kiriko cos the fox spirit is cute

[limpid agate]

Of course it isn't

Even if you did suppose Doomfist went out and cosplayed as Saitama

The costume has an overwatch logo on it

[worthy rose]

bruh

wtf

Where

[limpid agate]

On the zipper

[viscid flame]

Yea pretty much lol Sombra's carpal tunnel line with her is hilarious

[warm locust]

Ohh, thanks for clarifying it

You're always very reliable about story questions, so a very honest thank you

[half wraith]

Would being hit my symettras gun hurt

[ivory garnet]

i think it’d burn you

[coarse saddle]

its hard light isnt it

thats how she makes her turrets

[cold topaz]

Opinions on echo (character) anyone? I want to use her as a main once I unlock her but I want to learn more. I currently main phara, widowmaker, orisa and/or d.va.

[worthy rose]

i think hog wil end up joining talon coz he doesn’t like junkrat that much anymore and he maybe is tired of junker town and he seems to get along with reaper in a voice line

[ivory garnet]

none of the junkers will move on from being junkers

[worthy rose]

ye but hog seems different idk why

[worthy rose]

lore accurate doomfist destroys everyone. true or false?

[peak escarp]

everyone except Winston and Orisa (and maybe Sigma and Symmetra)

[worthy rose]

I mean people with good agility and speed can maybe dodge his punches

[opaque scroll]

Doomfist is extremely good at using his fist, he even hit Tracer when she was zipping around so no

[worthy rose]

ye true

who would win genji or reaper

[ivory garnet]

doomfist outsmarted both of the most agile ppl in the verse

reaper would dominate genji

[worthy rose]

you sure

genji can wipe out dragon blade but reaper can fade away

[ivory garnet]

it seems physical attacks do little to no damage to reaper

[worthy rose]

reaper almost got killed by Winstons tesla canon so dragon blade wil kill him if genji lands it right

[ivory garnet]

tesla canon is elemental

a blade isnt

[worthy rose]

genjis blade isnt a normal blade

[ivory garnet]

it..kinda is…

we havent seen if his dragon does anything like hanzo’s

Reaper wipes Genji

[worthy rose]

anyways

i still think hog will join talon and separate from junkrat

[peak escarp]

why?

[worthy rose]

coz he doesn't like junkrat much anymore and he seems to get along with reaper and maybe he wants something new

[peak escarp]

he's never met Reaper

he stays with Junkrat because he was promised money

[worthy rose]

in a voice line it seems like they get along

[peak escarp]

voice lines are hypothetica

so sure, they might get along if they met

but the opportunity isn't likely to come up

also getting along with Reaper doesn't mean Roadhog will vibe with Talon's whole mission statement

[worthy rose]

ye but it would be cool to see

[worthy rose]

when whas he promised money

[peak escarp]

in the comic Wasted Land

also you don't need to ping me for every reply

[wind portal]

Atleast he's not rude to Junkrat like 85

85% of the cast in voicelines lol

[peak escarp]

true

[limpid agate]

He is who here

Because Roadhog doesn't like Junkrat either

Other than the hook em and cook em line, all of their interactions in OW1 were hostile from Roadhog to Junkrat

And they dont have any in OW2

[rain shoal]

didnt they say that junkrat could dual wield grenade launchers with a talent in the pve? if it still is gonna be a thing then what if orisa had that talent too cuz in the rein cinematic one of the OR-15s had dual wield guns

not sure how would that work since with her rework she does use her left hand for the spear attacks

that 1000 degree blade the OR-15s had could be her melee attack with a talent

[rare trail]

what are you cooking?

[peak escarp]

the blade would be cool

maybe give her melee bleed damage

[rare trail]

i think redesigned spears for the different skins could be cool

im pretty disappointed that new orisas melee doesnt incorporate the spear

[worthy rose]

I'd kill for a character with an energy sword of some kind, those things are so cool

[rare trail]

yea

melee dps please 🙏

[safe oriole]

I think some form of melee support would be cool too

[simple widget]

kind of like brig but not brig

[iron plume]

Melee dps doesn't really work in a shooter
But that's a gameplay discussion

[rain shoal]

since when did people in the community knew that ana visited junkertown before in the lore? or was that just an interaction line in OW2?

[molten shore]

Did doom count as one technically?

[iron plume]

Doomfist is a ranged DPS where he is the projectile
slightly memey description aside, yes, but that's exactly why he didn't really work

[iron plume]

It's just an interaction

[rain shoal]

in OW1 some skins had text explaining their history or lore but they removed them in OW2
however i dont remember the ana junker skins having an explanation in OW1

[peak escarp]

it didn't

having a description didnt mean it was canon

Junker D.Va had a description and she's never been to Junkertown

[clear steppe]

in game voicelines seem to imply that moira had some hand in making widowmaker, does this work with the timeline though?? i thought moira would’ve still been part of blackwatch at the time widowmaker was created but maybe im wrong

[wind portal]

Moira was responsible for experimenting on Lacroix yeah

[peak escarp]

She worked on Widowmaker after leaving Blackwatch

she wasn't involved in creating Widowmaker

[glossy burrow]

Anyone wanne come up with ability ideas or character ideas for ow dm me

[peak escarp]

Moira is the reason Widowmaker is blue and has a slow heartrate

[wind portal]

all of that for Ana to still be the better shot

[rain shoal]

"i thought moira would’ve still been part of blackwatch at the time widowmaker was created"
No but she may have been involved in the creation of some of the talon units at the time of retribution since the descriptions of the talon enforcer and heavy assault mention genetic engineering + the talon snipers in the mission literally appear from black smoke like what Reyes became eventually

[austere agate]

is bastion a part of overwatch post recall?

[ivory garnet]

no

but its possible they recruit him

[austere agate]

i’m not too informed on his story besides his cinematic. I know he eventually meets torb who upgrades him correct?

[ivory garnet]

yes

[austere agate]

but like how does he meet him

[ivory garnet]

they come across eachother

you can read “Binary” comic

thats when they meet

[austere agate]

okay thanks

i’m hoping there is some rein and bastion interactions in the pve think that would be a coool dynamic

[ivory garnet]

we know Reinhardt and Bastion meet

i dont have the gif

but maybe someone else does

[austere agate]

I think i’ve seen what you are talking about

rein like runs up to bastion who enters turret form?

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[austere agate]

yea poor bastion looks so terrified

[late meteor]

@peak escarp i read somewhere that in Singapore during the doom v primal winton fight, doomfist got knocked out by the blast and winton broke every bone in his body.. i dont have the books and couldnt find anything anywhere,, how ttue is that though?

[peak escarp]

Winston didn't break every bone

we don't know what happened after the punch

this is the second time this has come up

where did you read it?

[peak escarp]

people shouldn't get their lore from tiktok

[austere agate]

100% where it’s from, I always see ppl say the most random and untrue things ab ow lore on tiktok

[gentle sky]

hey all im looking for a pc coach im an ana main

[ivory garnet]

wrong channel

[ivory garnet]

so based off of interactions in game and the Reunion cinematic, its entirely possible Mina Liao and Cassidy couldve became really close or even best friends due to how Echo acts towards Cassidy right?

I get that he was her bodyguard

but i feel as if it was more than just a bodyguard - protected relationship

[sage plank]

why was mcree changed to cassidy???

[worthy rose]

Problems with the guy irl they named him after

[proven imp]

They named him after a worker in blizzard and he did a bunch of no no things

[sage plank]

oh

[proven imp]

Yeah

[sage plank]

did he kill someone?

[stuck minnow]

he was part of that huge rampant sexual harassment business over at blizzard

[sage plank]

what is rampant

[worthy rose]

Ramping up. Increasing

[ivory garnet]

roadhog dislikes junkrat correct?

[worthy rose]

Well he seems to find him very annoying, and he only stays with him because he gets money for it

[hoary escarp]

my asshole burns

does cree have lung cancer?

i want to post images here of gangrenous feet

[worthy rose]

sir u what

ok so when is pve coming out

[ivory garnet]

sometime this year

[worthy rose]

"By the end of 2023" is what they have said

is it gonna be similar to the ow1 pve stuff or different?

[ivory garnet]

similar yes

the story mode will be

[peak escarp]

similar but more of it

[worthy rose]

Definitely will be similar to OW1's PvE. Differences will be enemies, characters you play, maps, basically everything outside of the core

[ivory garnet]

hero missions will basically be Player vs waves of ai whilst doing a PvP gamemode

[worthy rose]

I hope it's like an actual campaign rather than a lazy copy of ow1 stuff and tweaking map and enemies

[ivory garnet]

the ow1 layout isnt bad

[worthy rose]

It's not. We've seen a lot of teasers for it with tons of new things

[peak escarp]

it will be an actual campaign

[ivory garnet]

^^

still yet to know if it’ll be ever-evolving iirc

which i hope it is

[peak escarp]

it would be stupid not to be

in a live-service game

[ivory garnet]

yeah true

[worthy rose]

it isn't bad but it'll be boring to have basically the same stuff... we waited so long for this campaign

[ivory garnet]

it’ll be different each mission

theres TONS of new enemies

[worthy rose]

To be fair, I love OW1's PvE, so even if it was extremely similar, I'd still enjoy it

[twilit patrol]

Me too

[ivory garnet]

i’d expect we get a mini boss every mission

[worthy rose]

Surely there'll be one or a couple of strong enemies you'd encounter

Like that artillery thing, or other big boss-looking enemies they've shown off before

[ivory garnet]

right pic is concept art

left is enemies we have seen in the trailer

[worthy rose]

Yeah like the enemies that would charge at u and had huge hp from that blackwatch mission

[ivory garnet]

with some additions

possible we’ll also be fighting much weaker bastion/or14s

aswell

[worthy rose]

Yeah the so-called artillery is on the far left in the enemies we've seen and I love its design so much

[ivory garnet]

im excited for the rhinoceros looking enemy

and the tall drone with the long hair

[worthy rose]

Yeah the big guy looks awesome too

[worthy rose]

Honestly Null Sector is just damn good at making their units look badass

What do you think the " lady" looking enemy on the right is gonna do

[worthy rose]

This

[peak escarp]

she's the Puller

[ivory garnet]

ye

[peak escarp]

didn't you watch Blizzconline?

[worthy rose]

Nah lol

She mesmerizes you and pulls you in, before stabbing you with her hair. Isn't that what we saw in the teaser?

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/lRj-GotnNaQ?t=1316

[worthy rose]

Thanks

I'll go watch this

[peak escarp]

she seems like an auto-kill enemy, so you have to deal with her right away

[ivory garnet]

idk abt auto-kill, but i’d say maybe a 2 shot?

[worthy rose]

Hope they execute it correctly. A well-executed one-shot enemy really makes you feel the dread if you can't manage to kill them

[ivory garnet]

oh nvm, it shows the down

yeah insta-down

elite grunts are goingto be annoying

[peak escarp]

they're the kind of enemies you HAVE to deal with

[worthy rose]

I'm going to watch the video again for a refresher. God it's so weird seeing Jeff in an Overwatch video again

[ivory garnet]

tank is goingto be a big role

the chain hit is a nice mechanic

hope they keepy

keep*

[worthy rose]

I love the chad stride of the Breacher

[twilit patrol]

My god it must be a hell

[ivory garnet]

keep in mind, those are only Null Sector units. Now I dont think Talon units will be more mechanical like NS, but we will probably be getting new Talon units aswell

[worthy rose]

I sure hope. Both Null Sector and Talon have really cool unit designs

[twilit patrol]

True

[ivory garnet]

also, gwishin aswell

[worthy rose]

I forgot about Gwishin

[ivory garnet]

wonder if we’ll get them at all in the future story

[twilit patrol]

I would like to know what technology Ram used to create such an army.

[ivory garnet]

he used an omnium still

[worthy rose]

I wonder what role Ramattra has in the campaign..

[ivory garnet]

most likely a background guy we’ll see in cutscenes, final boss for this section of the campaign

[twilit patrol]

We know already it will be antagonist

[peak escarp]

yeah Ramattra has final boss energy

[twilit patrol]

No i think not

[worthy rose]

Oh for sure, he's the leader of Null Sector

Not gonna lie, Ramattra feels like the kind of villain who just kind of oversees everything.. I don't know what they could do with a potential fight... or maybe that's just me lacking ideas right now

[ivory garnet]

nah, im with you on that

[twilit patrol]

Yeah and there is a difference between antagonist and villain, Ram fights for his people and that is noble.

[ivory garnet]

i dont see him as someone we’d fight more than once

he is still a terrorist

[worthy rose]

I'd still call Ram a villain

[ivory garnet]

he is fighting for his people in the wrong way

his goal is good, his actions arent

[worthy rose]

I'm sure they could figure something cool out for a potential fight with him

[twilit patrol]

Yes, his goal is good and his action arent i agree.

[worthy rose]

Yeah I just reached that part of the video. Probably gonna be one of those "Ugh, these guys?" kind of enemies

[twilit patrol]

But do you think this madness will allow omnics to coexist with humanity?

[ivory garnet]

matters with how they finish Ramattra’s portion of the story

[twilit patrol]

To be honest, i think.

[ivory garnet]

and plus, from what we know, Its 1 omnic thats doing something with an army of drones

Overwatch could very well advocate for peace among omnics and humans at the end of this “arc”

[twilit patrol]

Exactly

I like omnics 😔

[ivory garnet]

rewatching the story development section of the video

and

they made more parts of Toronto look beautiful

[twilit patrol]

Yes that's very interesting

[ivory garnet]

now they talk about being able to choose different characters for missions, but I wonder how that’ll work for the actual “canon” story

[worthy rose]

Maybe a select roster for those missions

Though...

That still begs the question of how that makes sense in canon

Maybe hero missions are the ones where you can play as anyone

(If they are separate from the story mode, which I think they are, unless I'm dumdum)

[peak escarp]

it's easy

the canon version is all of the available heroes went on that mission

hero missions are the ones where you can play as anyone

the QP of PvE

[worthy rose]

Right, of course

[ivory garnet]

from what we have seen, the india mission will have
Genji, Zarya, Winston, Zen, Pharah

[clear kestrel]

there was also concept art of that mission shown from the perspective of tracer
but take that one with a grain of salt

[worthy rose]

This just reignites the excitement I had for this stuff

[safe oriole]

Wouldn’t it be a lot like event missions? You can only choose from the roster given. Like for uprising you could only choose Rein, Tracer, Mercy, and Torb

[ivory garnet]

no, they stated we’ll have people to choose from

probably 2 people per category

[peak escarp]

the roster will be more than 4, but you can only choose 4

it makes the missions more replayable, since you can try it with different hero combinations

and get different dialogue

[ivory garnet]

yeah thats what they’re saying

it’ll be interesting if we get more genji x mercy dialogue

like we got in Storms Rising

also interested in more Cassidy and Echo interactions

maybe we finally find out how he lost his arm

[safe oriole]

Ohhh okay that’s where I was confused

[safe oriole]

Omg please

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @worthy rose

[twilit nacelle]

@daring arch Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[peak escarp]

I thought jokes had to be funny

it's not shitposting

making up random shit is shitposting

[rare trail]

why do people jump to transphobia when theyre called out for breaking the rules 💀

[peak escarp]

wow rude

imagine caring what pronouns someone uses

[rare trail]

he just sent me the t slur wtf

[peak escarp]

report and ignore

[swift kiln]

Didn’t know discord give bans for swearing lmao

[rare trail]

the t slur is different than swearing

[swift kiln]

Meh still swearing

[peak escarp]

they tried to message me too

[gray kayak]

They've been removed, please enjoy your lore discussions

[errant narwhal]

I dont know the ow lore

[rare trail]

its like

robots

then a evil ai gets the robots to try to kill people

then overwatch is formed to stop the robots

blackwatch is formed within overwatch to do shady stuff

[errant narwhal]

Damm

[rare trail]

blackwatch gets outed after they kill a guy

overwatch is shut down

people are racist towards the robots who are now sentient after the war

talon exists too and they wanna start a big war

[peak escarp]

this video is a pretty good summary

https://youtu.be/-aPY1OaEPjs

[rare trail]

and a couple of the robots start a terrorist group called null sector so get equality

[peak escarp]

it skips over a lot though

[rare trail]

and overwatch gets back together to fight talon in recall

[worthy rose]

And then a Swedish dwarf befriends a former war machine

[rare trail]

yea

[worthy rose]

what I want too is that you can play every heroes story and get a reward once you complete one like imagine playing sigmas story would be sick

[peak escarp]

individual stories aren't as important as the overall story

[worthy rose]

ye but just as a side thing

[viscid flame]

Rammatra really likes cable hair, he's got Wire hair drip and he made sure his drones have literal weaponized cable hair

[rain shoal]

while the breachers are supposed to be the new version of the detonators from uprising they look about the same height as the common troopers, i assume they would be weaker than the detonators but spawn much more frequently
it would also be fitting if they had support units with utility like healing or damage boost, i mean that short warlock looking unit in the concept art would be perfect for things like a necromancer type role with mass rez

also i just noticed there's a dog like enemy on the bottom right in the concept art
flashbacks to COD zombies hellhounds

[worthy rose]

Yeah that dog-thing also caught my eyes the first time I saw it

[rain shoal]

and im afraid that there willl be elite versions of other basic enemies, imagine an elite jumper (skirmisher in the 2019 demo) or an elite breacher

[ivory garnet]

i dont believe there will be

im pretty certain its just the base soldiers

[worthy rose]

Can someone explain the lore to me

[ivory garnet]

this is a good video thats relatively short to tell u about the basis of the main events

(didnt mean to ping u im sorry Doctor Six)

[peak escarp]

I helped him write it

so it's the one I reccomend

[ivory garnet]

thats cool

[pale turret]

I have a complaint for the lore of Overwatch, actually

Straight up, killed an Omnic with one of the coolest designs

Poor Lanet

[wicked lava]

Hold on if doomfist is in talon then why does he fight along with the overwatch people

[pale turret]

The pvps in the game ain't canon, bruh

[wicked lava]

I didn’t think of that

My bad

[pale turret]

All good

[terse wyvern]

How powerful is Echo in lore vs in game

[peak escarp]

I'd say she's stronger in the game

she can't actually transform into other people in the lore

she can just copy their skills

[round rune]

Echo in lore adapts to any situation and copies any skills, I'd say that's stronger than 5 sticky nades and a laser beam

[peak escarp]

she can still use the sticky nades

and maybe the beam

[round rune]

Yea but in lore she's an ever evolving ai

Also isn't she connected to Athena somehow

[peak escarp]

Liao also made Athena

so you could consider them siblings

[round rune]

I know next to nothing about lore btw

I watched the cinematics and heard a bit about stuff but aside from that I'm clueless

[peak escarp]

well there's lots of resources in the pins to learn

[ivory garnet]

Echo gameplay would beat Echo lore

also

[viscid flame]

That is

That is honestly a bit disappointing

[ivory garnet]

theres no way that could work imo

[peak escarp]

a lot of abilities don't work the way they do in the game

[ivory garnet]

she isnt a shapeshifter, she’s a physical metal built robot

[peak escarp]

orbs of discord and harmony are meditation tools, not offensive weapons

[ivory garnet]

have we even seen damage boost/healing beam in lore

or does she only use her staff to fly

[peak escarp]

Mercy used her healing on the kids in Valkryie

but damage boost hasn't been seen

neither has Lucio's healing

[ivory garnet]

it’d be weird for lucio’s healing

but i think they can make it like soldier’s in game pod?

[peak escarp]

Brigitte can't throw armor at people

the best healing she can do is first aid

[ivory garnet]

like he spews out biotic healing from somewhere (maybe his boots?) in an aoe fashion

i’d say Brig is as good maybe slightly better than an Athletic Trainer

[viscid flame]

He's just got the healing beats

[ivory garnet]

healing hasnt been shown at all

only his “speed” boost

which is mostly just a morale boost

[viscid flame]

Oh it was just a joke about his lines

They are basically burned into my head

[ivory garnet]

yeah i realized after i said it lol

[vapid tusk]

so in the cosmetics list, there's a voiceline for hanzo that's something along the lines of "The Shimada empire will rise again." (Halloween Terror)
does this mean that hanzo still thinks about rebuilding the Shimada empire?
or is it completely unrelated to the lore

[trail rock]

Did brig create her own shield ?

[peak escarp]

yes

[trail rock]

Oh

So how does torb carry around all that lava

[peak escarp]

he doesn't

that's just in the game

[trail rock]

M

[vapid tusk]

couldn't really find anything specific about her shield but it is said on the OW wiki that she started creating her armor in secret to help Reinhardt. At some point, Torbjorn added to the armor's design

I'm assuming that the shield was part of the armor set

[vapid tusk]

@peak escarp ^ could you answer this pls

[peak escarp]

it's not related to the lore

[vapid tusk]

alr

[peak escarp]

Hanzo doesn't want the Shimada clan to come back

[vapid tusk]

thats what i thought

just wanted to make sure

[shadow kite]

a lot of in game interactions arent canon correct

[vapid tusk]

a lot of abilities that characters have aren't canon lol

[peak escarp]

because the game itself isn't canon

[shadow kite]

like some of the heroes havent even met each other in lore or am i wrong

[vapid tusk]

idk if it amounts to 'a lot' but i know for a fact that Orisa and Hanzo never interacted canonically

[peak escarp]

correct

[rare trail]

Yea

Like Ashe hasn’t met like anyone in the overwatch roster

Besides for cass and echo

[peak escarp]

here's a relationship web I made so you can see who knows who

[rare trail]

She didn’t really meet echo tho

[shadow kite]

nah hanzo def uses her as transportation

its true

im blizzard

[rare trail]

Have sym and Lucio ever met face to face?

[peak escarp]

not that we know of

[vapid tusk]

i have a photoshop canvas that depicts that lol

how do mirrors not have existential crises

by mirrors i mean dittos aka same characters on opposing teams

[worthy rose]

Well, Roadhog sometimes says “Got me” when he kills another Roadhog

[peak escarp]

some heroes have lines for eliminating themselves

Hanzo says "I always knew I was self-defeating"

[ivory garnet]

and plus their story isnt like Valorant where mirrors fighting originals is canon

[arctic wind]

what is complicated about winton and hampter

are they dating?

[peak escarp]

no

Hammond is angry at Winston for using the rocket blueprints that he made

and leaving him behind on the moon

well, trying to leave him behind

[worthy rose]

When did Ashe meet echo?

[grand wedge]

She only saw her unactivated in the crate/pod

[wet raven]

Would of thought Hammond was always pissed at winston

I'd be pissed if he took my rocket design without me

[limpid agate]

He is pissed at Winston

For exactly that reason

[warm obsidian]

ee

[neat violet]

If Genji was part of the Overwatch group why wasn't he in this picture

[rare trail]

he wasnt in overwatch yet

[sly beacon]

Probably with zen at the time this picture was taken no?

Or is that way later

[rare trail]

he might have not had the fight with genji yet

that picture is pretty old

[neat violet]

Hanzo you mean

[rare trail]

oh yea hanzo mb

[neat violet]

Do we know anything about the dude on the far left or do we just wait until they eventually add him

[worthy rose]

Oh yeah right, because Genji was taken in by Overwatch when he was rescued by Mercy, right?

[rare trail]

we dont know anything about the guy on the left

[rare trail]

yea

he went into blackwatch which is kinda different from overwatch though

[sly beacon]

Wait Reyes and mccree were part of overwatch before blackwatch?

[ivory garnet]

yes

not cassidy tho

[rare trail]

reyes was in overwatch since it started iirc

[ivory garnet]

yeah he was a founder

[rare trail]

cass went straight into blackwatch though

[ivory garnet]

but Reyes and Cassidy were the first 2 blackwatch members

and in that photo, blackwatch was forming

[rare trail]

when was that photo taken?

[sly beacon]

That's why im confused

[ivory garnet]

when Cassidy was 17

[rare trail]

pharah looks 10ish in it so like 16 years ago?

[neat violet]

Why was he in the photo? Isn't blackwatch an opposing group to overwatch

[ivory garnet]

no, they’re apart of overwatxh

[neat violet]

Damn he got that anime "I'm just an average 14 year old middle schooler" vibe

[sly beacon]

You're thinking of talon

[neat violet]

a part or apart

[rare trail]

how old is he now?

[neat violet]

~37

[ivory garnet]

38

[rare trail]

so that pic was taken 19 years ago?

[ivory garnet]

Mercy and Cass were both 17 when they joined

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[neat violet]

In their time yes, but as someone on reddit found out, overwatch takes part somewhere during the 2070s

[rare trail]

okay so yea genji was still alive and well

like he wasnt a cyborg yet

[ivory garnet]

he was still human

[rare trail]

yea

[ivory garnet]

didnt get “killed” till early 20s

[rare trail]

yea hanzo almost killed him when he was like 23?

[ivory garnet]

roughly yeah

[late meteor]

does anyone have any footage of the acourge and the savior? (doomfist)

[rare trail]

?

acourge?

[ivory garnet]

only footage we have of him is Storms Rising epilogue and Origin

[rare trail]

hes in a couple comics but thats not footage

[late meteor]

scourge***

[late meteor]

works

[late meteor]

where

[rare trail]

i think hes in masquerade? idk i haven't read that one

[ivory garnet]

yee

[late meteor]

ah i thought you meant

[ivory garnet]

on youtube

[late meteor]

hm

storms rising epilogue is the successor no?

[rare trail]

is he in code of violence?

[late meteor]

havent read it

[ivory garnet]

no

[ivory garnet]

Storm Rising epilogue is a conversation between Doomfist and Ramattra

[late meteor]

theres 3 doomfists

there was*

[ivory garnet]

its Akande

[late meteor]

if you mean the doomfist we have now

yeah

the successor

im asking for the scourge and the savior

the first 2

[rare trail]

akande is the doomfist in origin storm rising and in game

[ivory garnet]

theres no reason for any other doomfist to be mentioned during overwatch

and the Savior is shown in a video

I forgot where

[late meteor]

the savior was a hero during omnic crisis and the second was akande's mentor

[sly beacon]

Was the doomfist before our current one also leader of talon or did talon start with akande?

[late meteor]

second was part of talon iirc

[rare trail]

talon started with akande

[ivory garnet]

Akande was the only Doomfist in talon iirc

[late meteor]

did it?

[rare trail]

hes the founder

[late meteor]

oh nvm

[sly beacon]

I have very little understanding of the overwatch lore but i find it interensting

[late meteor]

the scourge was just the mentor

akande joined talon before he was doomfist

no bo

scourge joined before akande

scourge recruited akande to talon

[rare trail]

why do you think that?

where is that shown?

[sly beacon]

Scourge is ngumi right?

[late meteor]

akande joined talon after the venice incident

[rare trail]

why do you think that?

[late meteor]

i cant afford books so i j googled it ngl

talon was operating following the omnic crisis app

[clear kestrel]

I don't think he was ever officially part of overwatch at first
at this point in time he was probably part of blackwatch exclusively

[ivory garnet]

Genji wasnt apart of overwatch in that photo

[rare trail]

cass was apart of blackwatch exclusively and hes in that photo

its just bc genji wasnt in blackwatch yet

[peak escarp]

the photo was taken 20 years ago

[rare trail]

oh so genji was like 15

[peak escarp]

yeah, Genji would still be with his family at this point

[worthy rose]

im waiting for that guy to get his own backstory the guy on the left

on that fhoto

[versed quarry]

here for the lucio/zen lore

[worthy rose]

i dont know much about lucio

I do know a thing or too about zen

[peak escarp]

Lucio was a DJ in Rio who gained fame when he led his community in an uprising against Vishkar, who had moved in to gentrify the neighbourhood

[worthy rose]

and lucio will join overwatch in the campaign

[twilit patrol]

Exactly

[pastel geode]

What mains do you respect in each role?

[peak escarp]

all of them

[rain shoal]

im hoping that he's a new hero this year cuz seriously that photo has one the of the most prominent characters for overwatch in the lore and every person in that photo is a playable hero EXCEPT him

[peak escarp]

there's a good chance he'll be a hero eventually

[worthy rose]

I hope so. He looks like a cool dude in my opinion

[swift kiln]

Is tracer gay or not, I need answers

[worthy rose]

She's lesbian, so yeah

[rare trail]

tracer and soldier are gay

torb widow reaper and ana all were/are in straight relationships

[swift kiln]

Did overwatch announce that or is it made up shit, because I know lot of people saying she is

[rare trail]

genji and mercy are hinted to be straight because they probably like each other

shes gay

read the comic reflections

[worthy rose]

She has a girlfriend who is seen in comics and stuff

[swift kiln]

Fair enough

[rare trail]

soldier is confirmed to have had a bf in bastet

dva is probably straight too given in voice lines she says bob is cute

[night kraken]

those arent canon

i think

[rare trail]

they imply canon

loverwatch explains it really well

[night kraken]

what does loverwatch say

[rare trail]

they explain it like
tracer and hammond have pre match dialogue where they says they like cheeseburgers
maybe they both do like chessburgers and would say that to each other but they haven't ever met to actually say that to eachother

[night kraken]

ohhhh

that makes alot of sense

[peak escarp]

hypothetical

is the word you're looking for

[night kraken]

wait

dvas a member of overwatch?

[twilit patrol]

Yes probably

[peak escarp]

she is now

she was recruited in issue 5 of New Blood

[devout slate]

what exactly happened to genji

did hanzo cut him to pieces or something

[rare trail]

hanzo attacked him

probably severed his spin

spine

hanzo cut off is legs right arm damaged his eyes

all his skins have a cybernetic spine near the neck which is probably hanzos doing

[devout slate]

is this like

confirmed

[rare trail]

yeah

[devout slate]

the uh

cutting his arms and legs off part

[rare trail]

its in hanzos backstory that he almost killed genji

[worthy rose]

We don't get explicit detail on the wounds Genji got, but it's probably something like that (afaik)

[rare trail]

yeah the legs and arms part is confirmed

[worthy rose]

mb

[rare trail]

we dont really get explicit detail

just a vague idea

his right arm is gone

you can see on reload animations that its cybernetic

[worthy rose]

Yeah that's right

His right arm is a shuriken dispenser, so yeah that thing is not organic

[rare trail]

his left arm is fine though

you can see on blackwatch skin

[worthy rose]

Yeah I was about to say

It still appears very scarred on that skin

[rare trail]

his eyes have scars in dragons when he takes the mask off

and his eyes are a different color in the blackwatch skin so maybe hanzo got those too

[worthy rose]

The organic parts he still has are for sure very scarred

Wait what color eyes does he have on the Blackwatch skin compared to other instances where his eyes are visible?

[devout slate]

imagine hes just a chest arm and head

[rare trail]

he has red eyes on that one

he has brown eyes on young genji skin iirc

[devout slate]

black

dark brown

same thing

[worthy rose]

I was trying to see what color Genji's eyes were in the Dragons cinematic, and they don't look red to me. Maybe the red eyes he gets on the Blackwatch skin were just enhancements just because

[rare trail]

yeah i assume he got them switched out for more natural ones

or its just a non canon detail on the blackwatch skin

[devout slate]

they should drop a canon animation of what exactly happened

[worthy rose]

I don't know how they'd be able to do that without making it too gory for the game's rating

Maybe in an extremely ambiguous art style if anything

[devout slate]

i guess

i just dont like when companies make fans rely on headcanons for lore purposes

[worthy rose]

Well Genji's near-fatal injuries from fighting Hanzo is not headcanon, it's just straight up canon

[devout slate]

well

yea

but what im saying is

instead of us speculating the ways it could of happen they should just release how it actually happened

[grand wedge]

For Genji's injuries inflicted by Hanzo : we don't know the extent, but we know that Genji agreed to have a cybernetic body to "be able to walk again" -

In Sojourn novel - spoilers (kinda) - you learn that you can undrego a procedure to give you cybernetic legs if you're paralysed.

It's hard to picture Hanzo cut his brother arm and both legs, I'm a firm believer that Genji got cut in the spine, and that they had to remove his legs so he could walk again. (speculation)

[night kraken]

Why did hanzo attack genji

[peak escarp]

it is not confirmed how Genji lost his arms and legs

they could have been amputated as part of the cyberization process

like Sojourn's

[snow dock]

Does he still have man parts

[peak escarp]

why wouldn't he?

[snow dock]

eunuchy snip snip

[peak escarp]

why though?

[snow dock]

what better way to ensure he does not further taint the shimada name. also I'm just curious how much he lost

[jaunty horizon]

Did echo’s creator like implanted herself into echo?

When she died

[worthy rose]

Echo had spent most of her life learning from her creator, so she inherited her speech patterns and such afaik

[peak escarp]

Echo is just mimicking her creator

she's not Dr.Liao in a robot body

[ivory garnet]

everyone in their blackwatch skin has red eyes, its purely for appearance lol, for drama effect

[worthy rose]

Awesome. I love digging into headcanon stuff for minor aesthetic details

[ivory garnet]

BESIDES for Cassidy though

because his eyes are hard to tell lol

but I think they are brown

to shoe he was the most human in blackwatch

show*

[peak escarp]

yeah they're brown

[ivory garnet]

i dont like making headcanons, but its that the other 3 have atleast 1 red eye. To show their inner conflict and how morally bad they are (not 100% on that last part) whilst Cassidy has his brown eyes to show he is the most human on the team

[peak escarp]

other 3? When does Reyes have red eyes?

Moira naturally has one red eye, so she shouldn't be counted

[quiet violet]

is there an explanation for how genji can slice through the giant robots hand other than "high tech blade"

and how his smaller sword could deflect attacks from that energy weapon? i mean the answer is just probably "good metal" or something but i was wondering if anybody had any actual ideas

[peak escarp]

there isn't an explanation for it

[golden oak]

I think it’s just cybernetics

But yeah genji did mentioned he was fuelled by anger at that time so maybe that’s for representing that

[dry ravine]

f

[scarlet apex]

the only conclusive explanation rn is a combination of cybernetics, whatever renewable energy that's been discovered (why soldier's and mccassidy's bullets are all blue + what powers the omnics and all the flying cars), and hard light

bc kiriko straight up broke the sci fi lore

[golden oak]

Didnt Hanzo and genji do that earlier with their magic dragons

Btw do you think next heroes could be other yokai members?

[limpid agate]

No

[golden oak]

Thats would be cool but i think there would be too many japanese characters
So I’m guessing new characters might be related to that new faction from esperanca

[peak escarp]

probably

[golden oak]

Too bad theres No hints like that graffiti in kanezaka or NQS

[limpid agate]

There are hints, just less obvious ones

Gotta wait to see which ones are the hints

[golden oak]

Like?

[limpid agate]

Peru

[golden oak]

Huh

[ivory garnet]

i’d like a portuguese hero just because im portuguese, which is why I like “The Collection” possibly being a hero

[golden oak]

Btw I gotta go into custom games and go through Antarctic peninsula to look for things I could not notice while playing

[limpid agate]

Collective

Not Collection

[ivory garnet]

my fault

[golden oak]

Do we know anyone from that faction?

[limpid agate]

The Martins

[golden oak]

And what they do exactly

[ivory garnet]

I dont see how the martins can be a support though

[limpid agate]

They're husbands and scientists that created durovidro and built the seawall that kept Anubis at bay during the crisis

Durovidro is hard glass

The hero might not be them

[ivory garnet]

so maybe either one of them or one of their workers with weapons/armor of thatv

[limpid agate]

Just someone from their faction

Maybe a son or daughter

[ivory garnet]

hard glass? thats a concept lol

[limpid agate]

Its only called Durovidro

Not hard glass officially

Thats just what it literally translates to

[ivory garnet]

ohhh okay

possible hardlight company aswell?

[golden oak]

That’s a different thing

[ivory garnet]

never said they were the same