#lore-discussion

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rare trail
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His goal is to start a massive war

keen summit
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Goal isnt action

rare trail
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Also roadhog and Junkrats goals aren’t heroic

worthy rose
keen summit
rare trail
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No???

keen summit
worthy rose
keen summit
worthy rose
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and that murderers goals were to be happy

keen summit
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Through what he does it is bas

worthy rose
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does it make what he does right?

keen summit
worthy rose
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So it isn't a good thing

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humanity was fine without war

keen summit
worthy rose
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his goals are baseless, evolution happens through adaptation to environments

keen summit
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Goal is what he wants to achieve WITH conglict

worthy rose
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but conflict does not adapt people, natural selection does

rare trail
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Roadhog doom ashe Junkrat reaper sombra symmetra widowmaker Moira don’t have heroic goals

worthy rose
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if one man dances next to a lion and another one is running away which one is going to be naturally selected?

keen summit
keen summit
worthy rose
worthy rose
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although not ethically

rare trail
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Ah yes moira who made Gabriel be constantly in pain and experiments on sentient living beings has heroic goals

keen summit
worthy rose
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just said she wanted evolution without conflict(as partially said in her cinematic if I recall)

keen summit
keen summit
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thats wrong

rare trail
keen summit
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she takes risks other scientist dont want to

worthy rose
rare trail
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Don’t like brig lions near people to help them adapt

keen summit
keen summit
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his goal is good, but how he does it is bad

worthy rose
keen summit
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helping humanity evolve is his goal.

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but how he does it is bad

worthy rose
rare trail
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evolution hasn’t changed humans in any noticeable way for 200,000 years

keen summit
worthy rose
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"We are on the brink on evolution. and I have dedicated my entire life into unraveling it"

keen summit
rare trail
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At best you could argue a massive war makes like military tech go faster

rare trail
keen summit
keen summit
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if it bring evolution its fine, she wants to use science and do anything for it

worthy rose
rare trail
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Like doomfists goal is to plunge humanity into a massive worldwide war the reasons why he does that are also fucked up but the goal isn’t anywhere near heroic

keen summit
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but again, dooms goals in theory arent bad, but its just that he overlooks well the losses of life. He only looks at "oh but the weak wouldnt get far!" its basically just a tribal way

keen summit
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you are confusing goal and means

worthy rose
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this all started from me asking who in overwatch were orphans

rare trail
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Widowmakers goals are heroic bc all she wants to do is feel alive fr

keen summit
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you really seem to not understand what im talking about

rare trail
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You’re confusing goals and intentions

keen summit
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dooms goal is: helping humanity evolve, thats why he says "only through conflict, do we evolve"
then his means are starting a war to achieve that

rare trail
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His goal is to start a massive war his intention is to “evolve” People

keen summit
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the war is the way he believes he'll ACHIEVE the goal

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cuz starting a war isnt hard for him

rare trail
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If it’s not hard why tf hasn’t he done it yet

worthy rose
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lmfao

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yeah

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like

keen summit
worthy rose
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literally the main war happening is omnic lack of rights, null sector, and father Ramattra being big mad

keen summit
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again his goal has always been evolving

keen summit
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while rama and talon were working together

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again doom is a bad person with a good goal but a bad way of trying to get it. sym has a good goal cuz she wants a better world but ignores what vishkar is really doing etc

rare trail
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All widowmaker wants to do is feel alive so she has a good goal/s

keen summit
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see now what i mean

rare trail
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Wanting to be happy isn’t selfish

keen summit
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widow wants to feel alive and doesnt care about anything else.

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so its only for yourself

rare trail
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The way she gets to be happy is selfish given she’s killing people but wanting to be happy isn’t selfish

keen summit
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compared to wanting to protect his own race, evolve humanity, etc etc

rare trail
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Being happy isn’t a good goal?

keen summit
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its more that its

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not one of those goals that are "good"

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like being for the entire world or race

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but

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doom goal is creating evolution

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means is a war

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and thats where hes wrong

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the reason why i dont consider widow's goal good is cuz she just focusses on herself making it more like yes its a goal but not like good with reasons greater than themselves, same with sombra her goal isnt like bad but not good either, she just wants all the info

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doom is a bad character with good morals

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thats how hes meant to be

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and reaper is the real just pure evil hero

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his goals are just vengeance, hes just angry and in pain so he just decided to kill cuz angry

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would you call ana bad cuz she also kills?

worthy rose
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you did?

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💀

keen summit
# worthy rose you did?

meant it as i explained later as in its only beneficial to yourself, meaning its more neutral than good

worthy rose
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not neutral

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selfish

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selfish is bad

keen summit
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cuz thats the best word i could choose to describe it

worthy rose
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instead of neutral?

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like you just said?

keen summit
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thats the thing

worthy rose
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you said it two minutes before your one sided convo

keen summit
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yes, cuz i then knew how to word it better

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selfish is as in that she kills for it.

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but her goal is neutral

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cuz its not beneficial but also not detremental to others as the goal

worthy rose
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doomfist kills for his goal

keen summit
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unlike reaper who's goal is legit killing

keen summit
worthy rose
keen summit
worthy rose
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widow literally killed a robot monk

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that seems detremental to others

keen summit
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but her goal isnt

worthy rose
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anyway i'm headed to bed like I was going to half an hour ago

keen summit
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GOAL

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her goal is to feel alive

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does her feeling alive in a vacuum mean others are hurt? no. but her means are killing so her means are bad

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see

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its really not hard

worthy rose
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omfg stop pinging me

keen summit
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you can just put ur phone away

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or do you have notifications

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bloody hell some people really just dont understand how writing works.

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again if someone comes a bit later: my point was doom goal is good but means is bad. they thought doom goal is creating war but i explained that that is the method he takes not his goal

worthy rose
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bloody hell I don't want unneeded pings that I check in the morning

keen summit
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i didnt ping you.

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like right here

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you came back yourself.

worthy rose
keen summit
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i know

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so i didnt do it after you said it

worthy rose
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yes bc I knew you'd be saying something about me

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I have that instinct in servers

keen summit
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yes? no shit sherlock

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thank you, go sleep. you are special

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anyways

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as i said its important to seperate goals from action

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ready to drive the organization and humanity to its natural point of refinement through global conflict.

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even the site says it

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THROUGH global conflict

half wraith
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What happened

keen summit
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alot

warm kiln
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dva said that bob is cute

neat hazel
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agreed

warm kiln
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does that mean she has omnic fetish?

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hm interesting

neat hazel
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my brother likes echos feet do u blame him?

warm kiln
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isnt she simply just

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a robot?

neat hazel
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no difference 😸

warm kiln
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that brings me back to a question ive asked before

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do omnics mean robots in general now?

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or just robots produced by omnium

neat hazel
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omnics have a mission to target someone, they are a robot but like yk

rare trail
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omnics have two main meanings

keen summit
neat hazel
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true

rare trail
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It’s either built in an Omnium or it’s a sentient robot

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Ram uses omnic to exclusively mean a sentient robot from an omnium

rare trail
warm kiln
keen summit
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but tbf

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we've seen human omnic relationships since tracer cinematic

rare trail
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I think it’s fairly normal to have a romantic relationship with an omnic

keen summit
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yeah it is

rare trail
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From Alive

keen summit
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we've seen it alot

neat hazel
warm kiln
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i mean

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look at many people now

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theres a wide range of kinds of things people are attracted to

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and by things

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i can also mean things

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so it might be possible that dva has an omnic fetish

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i wonder what the word would be?

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omnicoromantic? omnicosexual? idk??

neat hazel
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2023 is gonna be a disaster ZenyattaCry

keen summit
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Just nothing probs

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You wouldnt call bekng attracted more to a certain race "whitesexual"

warm kiln
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hm

neat hazel
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if u like someone is it called humansexual?

warm kiln
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so youre saying

neat hazel
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of course not

warm kiln
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an omnic is simply a different race?

keen summit
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Cuz in sentience omnic is

warm kiln
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right

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very fair point

keen summit
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And in gendere from what we know the same

warm kiln
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speaking of gender

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do omnics have genders

keen summit
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Cuz omnics also habe genders

warm kiln
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ah yes

keen summit
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We know of male and female omnics and two non binary

warm kiln
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bastion is probably non binary

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whos the other non binary omnic

keen summit
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Hes he

neat hazel
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orisa is a girl correct?

keen summit
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And one frpm zarya comic

warm kiln
keen summit
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Not watch

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Read

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But those two both are they them

neat hazel
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for free?

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sure

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oh ur muted lmao

keen summit
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yknow accs are already free now

wind portal
spiral geyser
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who cares to be fair

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bastion probably doesnt have a dick anyways

polar sequoia
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Change topic now

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Where did bastion come from

rare trail
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made at an omnium by anubis

safe oriole
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Do we think a character will die off in PvE?

rare trail
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highly unlikely any playable characters will die

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doom or ramattra might be captured by they wont die

peak escarp
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npcs on the other hand...

nova cedar
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im confused how omnics "breathe" like you can see their chest move and hear them breathing but as zenyatta said in a voiceline with genji he cannot breathe

peak escarp
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maybe they're made to look like they're breathing because humans found it weird that they didn't?

rare trail
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new picture from loverwatch event

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i mean its not really canon but yk

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ik its not canon but i think this is teasting new zen stuff

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deep shell
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@analog geyser

peak escarp
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of course they're teasing us

keen summit
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called us out

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ivory garnet
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as its not anything lovey related

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its just a photo of young genji and hanzo

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also does that mean they dyed Genji’s hair black?

rare trail
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i think they dyed it green

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like the chances of his hair being naturally black and dyed green are a lot higher than the other way around

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also doesnt one of the young genjis show him with black hair?

ivory garnet
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yeah in kiriko’s origin

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i forgot abt that

rare trail
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oh yeah and genji says he hates who he was during blackwatch in loverwatch

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i mean loverwatch isnt canon but yk that might be canon

ivory garnet
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i think they mean the “dating” isnt canon

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cuz its player x character

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but pictures and some interactions like that may be canon

rare trail
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if you talk to hanzo about him almost killing genji he kinda gets mad

ivory garnet
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wouldnt doubt he would

dense nebula
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Only kinda tho

ivory garnet
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do we know if anyone has found the secret endingb

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?*

rare trail
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i have

ivory garnet
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ooo nice

rare trail
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you rizz up genji then mercy and when you start a new game you get to rizz up hanzo

ivory garnet
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LOL

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quite funny

rare trail
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zenyatta appears :)

soft dragon
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Loverwatch is a fever dream ☠️

soft dragon
ivory garnet
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this tease is killing me

limpid agate
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What tease

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We've seen his canon face in Dragons

ivory garnet
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not all of it tho

limpid agate
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And again in Blackwatch Genji

ivory garnet
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and we barely even see his face

limpid agate
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Okay, then Blackwatch Genji

ivory garnet
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you still dont see his entire face

weary raptor
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what about

ivory garnet
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young genji

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no scars

trail ridge
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I just wanna know what happened to his face

ivory garnet
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scarred

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possible metal jaw

open light
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oh boi

viscid flame
rare trail
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?

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what trans skins?

iron plume
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What are you on about?

rare trail
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what are you talking about

iron plume
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Kiriko's not a dude

rare trail
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no

iron plume
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No it's not.

rare trail
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thats not shown anywhere

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i mean headcanon all you want but thats not confirmed

iron plume
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In fact kiriko is one of the characters we can say are cis with almost complete certainty

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Unless she transitioned at age 8

rare trail
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headcanon is like your own personal canon like something you believe but its not confirmed

iron plume
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It's a useful one

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This isn't a headcanon however, it's just incorrect

rare trail
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also pretty weird to call someone who you thought was a trans woman a dude

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no

iron plume
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aaand there we go

rare trail
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trans women are women

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💀

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dont be transphobic challenge

iron plume
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Bye felicia

rare trail
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ty 🙏

ivory garnet
elfin tinsel
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what do you have to do to get the titles in loverwatch? i got the icons and highlight intro but no titles

maiden granite
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There aren't any trans characters yet right?

worthy rose
elfin tinsel
short bear
worthy rose
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i got secret ending

elfin tinsel
short bear
worthy rose
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ok

worthy rose
short bear
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Hmm, might just be a blizzard problem then. Might have to wait.

worthy rose
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i started again new game

ivory garnet
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none of this is lore related, however it’ll take up to 48 hrs to get into your account

worthy rose
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i will speedrun this

elfin tinsel
short bear
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The offical omori server.

worthy rose
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i completed it again and no hanzo rewards

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only player icons

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:/

ivory garnet
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hanzo rewards go directly to your account

worthy rose
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oh

ivory garnet
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it takes up to 48 hrs

worthy rose
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ok

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update:i only dont have hanzo skin i have everything else

peak escarp
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the skin isnt a reward

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it'll be in the store tomorrow

worthy rose
elfin tinsel
worthy rose
spark sequoia
peak escarp
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the titles aren't in the game yet

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also we're off topic

weary merlin
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Is it worth doing the dating sim

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Like what rewards do I get

peak escarp
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you can unlock 3 player icons, 2 titles and a highlight intro

weary merlin
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Eh

ivory garnet
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its 3 titles I believe

peak escarp
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right

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typo

worthy rose
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Guys are Ashe and Cassidy related or dating

weary merlin
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No

keen summit
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The dating sim actually once more explained the voice lines non canon thing "its that they never really spoke, but they would both say that and the information in the convos are true"

keen summit
worthy rose
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The fact that Genji and Mercy are not dating in a confirmed non-canonical world is very interesting

young shell
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i feel so bad for zen in loverwatch, bro had limited annual screentime

true locust
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even ana had more time than him

tacit quarry
maiden rain
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Reinhardt is secretly reiner from aot

worthy rose
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anybody tryna be my valentines iykwim ;))

wise tulip
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the new doomfist genji interaction is interesting

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doomfist knows who kiriko’s mom is

peak escarp
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Asa has a reputation

wise tulip
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and his reaction seemed bitter

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also i’m loving the symmetra character development

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she’s definitely more open minded

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and slowly becoming disillusioned with vishkar

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i like how she is growing more fond of lucio and enjoys listening to his music

polar sequoia
wind portal
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somewhere in america

peak escarp
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he's from Los Angeles

agile marsh
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Considering he’s Reaper being born in LA makes sense

worthy rose
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and as a sym main I think with pve she should get a new skin that shows her character development, like overtime there becomes more custom styles, like a mythic but for people who are working on the pve mission

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and for the pve part of it have it like a sneak mission where she would need to use hard light abilities in order to get the information she's searching for

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Honestly I think for like a duo mission it could be sym and lucio, not sure how'd that work tho

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but I am def saving up for pve as Overwatch lore has been inspiring me much more recently

peak escarp
ivory garnet
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Also we know the missions are only 4 player iirc

worthy rose
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it was just a idea

timber summit
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Idk if this is really fitting in here, but OW plays in the mid 2070's and Reinhardt is in his 60's, does that make him Gen Z? xd

rare trail
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nah

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gen z is earlier than that

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er

timber summit
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So he's gen alpha, that poor guy grew up to Despacito

rare trail
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1997 to 2012 so depending on what year in the 2070s

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hes either alpha or z

ivory garnet
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we’d be older than all of the overwatch playable cast

rare trail
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yeah

ivory garnet
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atleast i would, i’d be in my 70s

rare trail
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oldest is sigma whos 62 so he would be like 10ish rn

timber summit
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I see, I see, that's kind of funny to think about

ivory garnet
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and cool note, they’ve experienced all of our history up to 2016

timber summit
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I'll just assume they didn't grow up as iPad kiddies lol

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For my own sanity

ivory garnet
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tracer might’ve

timber summit
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Tracer needs subways surfer videos playing under everything she does

ivory garnet
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well not necessarily “ipads” but holopads or whatever

timber summit
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lol fair

opaque scroll
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maybe because it's like a Blizzard themed park

ivory garnet
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?

astral thorn
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Miau

warm locust
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Junkkit

young lily
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What time does overwatch take place

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I forgot

rare trail
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2070s

young lily
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ok

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so sigma was born on like 2013

rare trail
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yeah

young lily
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If sigma was somehow sane again would he lose his powers

rare trail
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he would probably keep his powers

young lily
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Since I’m pretty sure him going insane is tied in with his power of controlling gravity, mass momentum, black holes, etc

rare trail
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i mean he went insane when he got his powers but i doubt that if his mind was fixed he would lose them

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we dont know though

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i mean we dont really know what his powers are

peak escarp
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his insanity is tied to the brain damage he suffered from the black hole

young lily
peak escarp
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healing his brain damage wouldn't take away his powers

young lily
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But even if he still had his powers while he was sane

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I don’t think he would want to use them

ivory garnet
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have*

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all that happened was the blackhole damaged his brain which made him mental

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that has nothing to do with his source of power in him

peak escarp
young lily
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pay attention to detail what he’s saying

peak escarp
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the origin trailer is very stylized

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I wouldn't take it at face value

young lily
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I mean it’s his origin story

peak escarp
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and what he says doesn't have anything to do with how he got his powers

young lily
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what’s happening also gives you an idea what happened

peak escarp
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the origin story is very choppy and told out of order

ivory garnet
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he got his powers from the incident, but it wont take away his powers if he became mentally stable

peak escarp
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and shows Sigma as an active Talon agent, which we are told he isn't

ivory garnet
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isnt he just a prisoner who does experiments in the background

peak escarp
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yep

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if you cured Tracer's condition, she would lose her powers because they are directly connected

ivory garnet
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if u cured reaper’s wouldnt he possibly die?

viscid flame
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I guess it would depend on the type of cure

peak escarp
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if you cured him of whatever Moira did, he'd probably die

young lily
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How tall is Winston when he is in primal rage form

peak escarp
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Sigma didn't have any control over his powers until he got to Talon

young lily
peak escarp
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he was not brainwashed

young lily
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your implying that he wouldn’t have control

limpid agate
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No they didnt

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He didnt have control

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Thats why he was locked up to begin with

peak escarp
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In their custody, De Kuiper slowly gained control of his powers. Now, gravity moved according to his will, and he was closer than ever to achieving his life's goal.

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De Kuiper continues to develop his powers in hopes of unlocking the secrets of the universe, unaware that Talon is using both him and his research.

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brainwashing or conditioning or any kind of Talon control over Sigma is not mentioned anywhere in his bio

young lily
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Mb I meant manipulating

peak escarp
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they're using his research, meaning he's kept in a lab and given what he needs to continue his research

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manipulating, sure

young lily
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notice how easily manipulating sigma was for talon, which made sigma more effective meaning his powers is linked to his mental state

peak escarp
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Sigma has better control over his powers, yet his mental state fluctuates

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which would indicate that they're not connected at all

worthy rose
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Who built Bastion and Orisa?

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Also where can I find Genji being a part of Blackwatch?

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Scratch that. Where can I read all the lore we know of ?

peak escarp
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Bastion was built in an omnium, Orisa was built by Efi Oladele

bitter remnant
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@proper mango dms

chrome sluice
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why is the loverwatch game so laggy

jovial pelican
keen summit
# young lily Mb I meant manipulating

Theyre more like not telling hum bout the bad stuff, they gave him a lab and let him research all he wants but use when he loses himself for other things, as implied in is origin story

civic kestrel
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why aint sigma got shoes on like bro someone get my mans some shoes

ivory garnet
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probably just a preference

keen summit
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But also cuz he got out of an asylum

civic kestrel
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why only sigma

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like

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cmon

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if u know what i mean

keen summit
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Cuz hes the only one who came from an asylum

civic kestrel
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yeah but

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cant he just stop by like a footlocker or sum

keen summit
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He doesnt want to

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Whats the problem with it

wet raven
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No shoes no service he cant get in the first place

keen summit
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Okay real quick i honestky dont understand whats so bad about feet, its legit just a part of the body that everyone has

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Like

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I legit dint get it

civic kestrel
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its just weird on how he dosent wear shoes

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like bro he in a battle

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and not wearing any shoes

keen summit
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He floats

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And again his shoes were taken away in the asylum

ivory garnet
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he doesnt even go in battle, he does expirements

keen summit
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If he does fine without why bother

keen summit
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In origin story

ivory garnet
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he doesnt.

civic kestrel
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really?

ivory garnet
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he only does experiments in the background

civic kestrel
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like lorewise he dosent fight

keen summit
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"i shall show you the meaning of... VIOLENCE"

civic kestrel
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whats up with his eyebrows

ivory garnet
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his origin shouldnt be something you take so heavily

keen summit
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And then hes there with everyone lifting ricks

civic kestrel
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he needs to get them done

keen summit
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And short moments

ivory garnet
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all we’ve been told and shown is he does experiments in the background

keen summit
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In reaper novel and ofcourse his own story

keen summit
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Thx to origin story

ivory garnet
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just because he says “violence” doesnt mean he is implied to fight

keen summit
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Why would they add the meaning of violence part and release me lined etc

ivory garnet
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release me is taken from his moment in the asylum

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and due to his mental state

keen summit
keen summit
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In gake

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He screams RELEASE ME

ivory garnet
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gameplay ≠ canon

keen summit
ivory garnet
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no

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lines are hypotheticals

keen summit
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Yes

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I know

ivory garnet
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and we dont know if nano is canon

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so nano voice lines arent canon at all

keen summit
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But thing is sigma has shown multiple times losing control

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The point isnt nano

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The point is the line

ivory garnet
#

the point IS nano, you’re talking about a voiceline that you get from a nano

keen summit
#

Release me is always in a different voice

keen summit
ivory garnet
#

do you not understand the comprehension of gameplay ≠ canon?

keen summit
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Thing is that isnt always true

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As you said they are hypotheticals

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So nano is sigma getting stronger

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And his reaction is RELEASE ME

ivory garnet
#

that doesnt imply he fights

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ur using gameplay voicelines

keen summit
#

It implies he has alternate side

ivory garnet
#

which arent a good source unless they directly connect to the story

keen summit
#

Which we already know

ivory garnet
#

We KNOW and have been TOLD Sigma only does experiments in the background

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there is no implying he fights

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especially when you’re using a nano voiceline to reason

keen summit
#

Again you ignored the entire point.

ivory garnet
#

you’re ignoring what we’ve been told

keen summit
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That he himself isnt aware

keen summit
#

That he does research but is implied to fight thx to orogin story when the violent side takes over

ivory garnet
#

the origin story also shows us he is an active agent for Talon

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which we have been told he isnt

keen summit
#

I'd love to see it

ivory garnet
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i have no clue, im using info a Lore Regular has gave us

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and they have said the same as me, agreeing with me in fact

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that Sigma is a prisoner and only does experiments in the background

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we had this mini convo earlier discussing Sigma’s powers

keen summit
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sigma only knows he does it, but again its implied he does more but isnt aware. with sombra line for example asking if hes fine with everything they use him for and him going "whats there to be unhappy with? i have a lab and can expiriment!"

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its implied he does more, however never confirmed that he does more. thats why i said IMPLIED

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, unaware he’s been turning into a living weapon: Introducing Sigma.
From overwatch themselves

keen summit
tall sleet
#

are the only loverwatch options mercy + genji (and hanzo potentially ? )

worthy rose
#

okay what the fuck did I read

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stuff about nano lines

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non cannon and cannon

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like

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tf

worthy rose
tall sleet
#

lame

worthy rose
#

ik right

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like what about the better and more pickable options?

tall sleet
#

literally what about hog

worthy rose
#

okay I thought you were talking about heroes like bap, lucio, cassidy, etc.

tall sleet
#

LMFAOOO

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i want to romance lucio

worthy rose
#

exactly

tall sleet
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i think they could have done atleast 4 male and female characters

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bt i get it was just a small fun thing

worthy rose
#

they need to expand with new options next year <3

tall sleet
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for reals

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and im going against their wishes and adding all the new info into the wikis

worthy rose
#

I was originally here to talk about how pve is prob going to be just about as toxic as the pvp lol

worthy rose
tall sleet
#

i hope the pve is chill

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we can just listen to fun dialogue and shoot some evil boys

#

any1 ever think ab the families of the talon members we mass kill

worthy rose
#

nope

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I rather think on what symmetra is going to be like in pve

dawn topaz
#

Idc what loverwatch says genji 100% loves dinosaur chicken nuggets

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Proof is that his favouritr animal is a triceratops

true locust
floral furnace
#

Loverwatch was funny asf

floral furnace
copper cloak
#

Anyone else who did not get the Cupids kiss after doing the secret ending?

rare trail
#

the nano lines chat was interesting

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i mean they arent 100% non canon but like taking a voiceline from a non canon source of when sigma is fighting

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is not a great way to prove hes implied to fight in lore

keen summit
keen summit
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Cuz the calm version of sig we see doesnt fight no

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But he is used in that violent state as a weapin

rare trail
#

we dont know that though

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bio doesnt mention him fighting for talon

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"When Talon discovered De Kuiper's existence, they sent Reaper, Sombra, and ultimately, Widowmaker, to infiltrate the facility and break him out, planning to use his brilliance and research to further their plans."

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this doesnt mention using him for his fighting capabilities

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i should read code of violence they might mention why theyre capturing sigma in there

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"a molecular cleansing that was wiping Gabriel Reyes away piece by piece."

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is wraith form killing reyes?

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maybe he means it in a metaphorical way though

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like its wiping away the human side of him

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"Within moments, you will be landing at a military black site. Inside you will find a person whose knowledge will allow Talon to move into the next phase of our operation"

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yeah it seems like talon cares about sigmas knowledge

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not his fighting capabilities

iron plume
#

Good bet that they want the knowledge for fighting though

rare trail
#

yeah

iron plume
#

Since he's like
constantly broken down and replaced

rare trail
#

does hard light ever like look normal? is it ever like not see through?

iron plume
#

Yes
Symmetra's turrets are made of it

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and so are presumably the buildings Vishkar makes

rare trail
#

okay i thought it was always that translucent type thing

#

and can you walk through hardlight?

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like reins shield you can walk through in game but could you walk through it in lore?

iron plume
#

It's not confirmed but I see it as
"Normal" hard light is the translucent thing and it's fairly common in the world
Vishkar exclusively has the permanent version and it can look however they want

iron plume
half wraith
#

Is the Shambali monastery and Nepal the same place

golden oak
#

Is hard light like glass?

rare trail
#

well not the exact same

#

same mountain though i think?

#

er wait

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nepal is where zen currently is

#

nvm its not at nepal

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its at the himalayas

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at least according to the wiki

#

okay i did a little trolling

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zen isnt currently at nepal hes like wandering

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strangely zenyattas page on the heroes tab has him as currently at the monastery but in his bio it says he left there

#

but hes probably not at nepal

#

although in loverwatch genji went to nepal to see zenyatta which implies he lives there but its not fully canon so

keen summit
#

and that he will show you the meaning of violence

true locust
#

isn’t that why sombra feels bad for him? she acknowledges that talon is using him as a weapon

keen summit
#

yes

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and he doesnt see it cuz he thinks hes just in the lab

true locust
#

poor sigma

rare trail
#

the origin video is highly stylized dont take it completely at face value

keen summit
rare trail
#

yeah hes been turning into someone who can hurt people

#

that doesnt mean talon has been using him to do that

keen summit
#

Hes BEING used as a living weapon

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Is wgat it says

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Is using

rare trail
#

in fact talon has directly said they just want his knowledge they dont mention his fighting capabilities

keen summit
rare trail
#

no

keen summit
#

Cuz then he might try to leave

rare trail
#

im not talking about what they said to him

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this is what they told reaper

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why would they be lying to reaper

keen summit
#

Cuz again its not his main thing no

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Hes not focussed fighting

rare trail
#

theres no evidence hes ever fought for talon his bio says talon wants his research code of violence says they just want his knowledge

#

they never talk about using him for fighting

keen summit
#

Thing is its heavily implied with many lines that he does also fight

rare trail
#

no its not

keen summit
#

Living weapon

rare trail
#

living weapon just means that he has the ability to harm people

#

winston is a "living weapon" in that respect

keen summit
#

What u got wring there is very simple

#

Weapons, are used

rare trail
#

not necessarily

#

one line in the description of an origin isnt good evidence

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like sigma has never been shown to be used as a weapon

rare trail
keen summit
keen summit
#

It means that thats why theyvtook the risk

rare trail
#

why would talon never mention using him as a weapon?

#

why would the story never focus on that?

#

what missions would he have gone on?

#

why has he never been on any missions that we know of?

keen summit
#

Sigma was made up on the spot

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They didnt have grand plans for him

rare trail
#

so the story doesnt care about sigma but they do care enough to drop tiny hints that mean hes being used as a weapon for talon?

keen summit
#

And it coud be that they changed the story but we dont know that

rare trail
#

and they also dont care enough to actually confirm rather than slightly allude to it and never have talon say anything about using him as a weapon

keen summit
#

Listen, you actively swipe aside evidence thati show and then act like there us none

rare trail
#

you are actively swiping aside what code of violence and the bio tell us

keen summit
#

Im not tho

rare trail
#

theres no reason they wouldnt mention him being used for combat if he was actually being used for combat

keen summit
#

Im saying that it doesnt mention he doent

rare trail
#

why wouldnt it mention he does

keen summit
#

I dont know, thing is the origin story points to him being used as a weapon, couldbe been retconned but until completely confirmed its not certain

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That is my point

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Because sorru but if you have sigma in his battle suit looking mad at the camera after saying i have harnessed the harness with ricks flying around him + description says hes being used as luving weapon+ its shown he has a crazy secondary side. That all points to him also going into battle

rare trail
#

talon never mentions using him for battle just using his research and knowledge it doesnt make sense for the story to never mention it i mean headcanon sigma being a soldier all you want but it isnt canon\

keen summit
#

... alright just skip right over everything i said thats fine

rare trail
#

its literally a counterargument to what you said

keen summit
#

Again it couldall be retconned, but its also never said they dint yse him for it. Its been said he has a violent side, is used as a living weapon AND he does research in yhe lab

keen summit
rare trail
#

it wouldnt make sense for them to not mention it in code of violence or his bio if he was being used as a soldier

keen summit
#

Look at mondattas death

rare trail
#

it doesnt make sense for bio and code of violence to not mention it

keen summit
#

Oh ramattra was with talon during mondatta gettibg killed. He hated mondatta but well doesnt say in bio that he was involved so ig not

rare trail
#

yeah its not gonna mention every single event that happened and the characters relation if it was something major that affected their day to day life such as being a soldier for talon that would be mentioned

keen summit
rare trail
#

its never stated he is used as a living weapon

#

thats not what the origin says

#

thats not what his bio says

keen summit
#

Check description

rare trail
#

the description says it was turning him into a living weapon not that he is being used as one

#

theres a big difference there

keen summit
#

Peek inside the mind of an eccentric astrophysicist who hopes to unlock the secrets of the universe, unaware he’s been turning into a living weapon
yeah ur right bout that. thing is that still means talon wants to use him for that

#

anyways im out

rare trail
#

the description doesnt mention talon

keen summit
#

and btw i said IMPLIED for a reason most of the time, because its also not stated explicitly that he does fight, its just implied by some sources. now gtg

safe oriole
#

It’s most definitely implied that talon uses sigma as a weapon

eternal forum
#

so how did kiriko join overwatch? or have not seen that part yet?

#

i think she mentions something about being an ow agent, might be tripping tho

peak escarp
#

she didn't join Overwatch

fair terrace
#

bastion was origanlly inteded to be a gay sex bot

#

ingame

rare trail
#

!!shitposting @fair terrace

twilit nacelleBOT
#

@fair terrace Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

woven glacier
#

little known fact actually

fair terrace
wind portal
fair terrace
#

its not

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im just talking about the facts mp

rare trail
#

bastion was built for military purposes

fair terrace
#

not in my head cannon

peak escarp
#

your headcanon doesn't matter here

wind portal
#

your headcanon =/= actual lore

fair terrace
#

never said it was actual lore

wind portal
#

like you may ship pharamercy, but the two have barely if ever interacted in lore

fair terrace
#

i dont

rare trail
#

pharmercy is shipped?

wind portal
#

yep.

rare trail
#

huh

fair terrace
#

not by me

wind portal
#

Not one that I agree with but people will be people

rare trail
#

thats odd

woven glacier
rare trail
#

i mean theyve probably met given theyre both in overwatch which is more than you can say for a lot of ships

fair terrace
#

where can i discoss my fan fics

rare trail
woven glacier
#

hammond x bastion

fair terrace
peak escarp
#

!!loreonly

twilit nacelleBOT
#

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

fair terrace
#

dont talk about fanficss ty

rare trail
#

its not really a fanfic

#

we know dva likes bob

#

they havent met though

fair terrace
#

lore wise junk and roadhog are my favourite

rare trail
#

hammond is weird

fair terrace
#

there robbery arc goes hard

woven glacier
rare trail
#

ig hes like a genius or something bc genetic therapy or whatever

#

genetic engineering*

woven glacier
rare trail
fair terrace
peak escarp
#

lore wise Roadhog finds Junkrat annoying and is only there for the money

woven glacier
rare trail
#

most likely ship is genji and mercy

#

of in game characters

fair terrace
rare trail
fair terrace
#

u called hammy weird

woven glacier
#

winston x hammond

peak escarp
#

Hammond hates Winston

fair terrace
#

pre escape tho

rare trail
# fair terrace nah

valentines voice lines and we know they at least keep in touch through the reflections comic

rare trail
fair terrace
#

on lunar space conolly

woven glacier
#

hammond will forgive winston

peak escarp
#

because Winston used the rocket plans he found in the Horizon computers... which was Hammonds

#

Winston didn't know Hammond had made them

fair terrace
#

and he left hammy

rare trail
#

oh so hammond is like really smart?

#

like rocket science smart?

fair terrace
#

yes

rare trail
#

huh

#

what a goober

fair terrace
#

he made a escape pod to attach to winstons rocket

#

rocket science fr

fair terrace
rare trail
fair terrace
#

ok

rare trail
#

very funny joke though!!! french bad!!! very original ive never heard that one before!!!!

elfin tinsel
#

anyone know if there's a known bug not allowing titles to be claimed from loverwatch? I have eevrything else but the titles

rare trail
#

this isnt really the place to talk about that and yes its a known bug

elfin tinsel
#

well there's no question channel and the main channel is too crowded nobody answered

trail ridge
#

What happened to Dr. Winston

peak escarp
#

he was killed by the apes

#

it's implied that they were tricked into the airlock and ejected onto the moon's surface without spacesuits

rare trail
#

could you like not post sexual things in lore discussion 🙏

wind portal
#

!shitposting

rare trail
#

wrong channel mb

twilit nacelleBOT
#

Keep things on topic and serious to lore in here.

slow bane
#

Is there any reason why Zen is so secretive about his past? Does he just not see it as of note, is it a hazy memory, trolling, or is he possibly hiding something?

rare trail
#

its probably because he was created by anubis to be a soldier but im not sure

#

er

#

when did the omnic crisis end?

slow bane
#

Idk, I'm very new to the lore side of things.

rare trail
#

zen was probably created by anubis to fight given hes only 20

#

so that might be why hes secretive

slow bane
#

That would make sense. It was just some conflicting things he says on Junkenstein that confused me.
Hopefully they do more with him for the PVE mode. He and the Australians seem a bit seperated to the story thus far

peak escarp
#

the Omnic Crisis ended around 25 years ago

#

Zenyatta is 20

#

he wasn't build by Anubis

rare trail
#

wait they kept making omnics after the omnic crisis ended?

#

so that means aurora happened after omnic crisis too

slow bane
#

Didn't Ram start the crisis because their numbers were finite or is this the modern wave of chaos that Winston mentioned in the infamous OW1 opening that everyone loved

rare trail
#

ram didnt start the omnic crisis

peak escarp
#

Ramattra was created by Aubis to be a commander in the crisis

rare trail
#

ram wouldve only became sentient like 10 years after the crisis ended

peak escarp
raven forge
#

Who is stronger in ow lore? Doomfist or ramattra?

rare trail
#

doomfist

#

ramattra has no canon fighting capabilities

#

other than like some sort of strength surrounding being a military omnic

#

but he was a commander so he might not be that durable or strong

peak escarp
#

we haven't seen Ramattra fight so we don't know who is stronger

rare trail
#

yeah

#

but if were just taking canon feats into account doomfist

ivory garnet
#

doubt Ramattra would be stronger than doomfist thought all in all

#

he crushed the Or15s, which we built later than Ramattra’s moe

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model*

#

but we’ll see

viscid flame
#

Plus Doom is pretty durable his bare skin was taking gunfire, impacts, debris and other stuff without a scratch

Taking the MP interaction information as fact, Junker Queen has apparently fought and beat other Omnics of Ram's model and won, but those were feral and didn't have Ram's intellect and experience

#

It would depend on the writing situation, and both Ram and Doomfist have an army

peak escarp
#

there's a lot of factors

#

it would be hard to say who wins between any two heroes unless we've seen them fight before

#

Winston has defeated Reaper (twice), Doomfist
Orisa has scared off Doomfist
Tracer fought evenly with Widowmaker, only losing because of her anger

#

Cassidy beat Ashe, Bob and 4 members of the Deadlock Gang

#

Reaper would have beaten Soldier if Ana hadn't interfered

#

Doomfist has beaten Genji and Tracer

ivory garnet
#

yeah, overwatch is one of those medias where we have to see it happen unless it was like a obvious thought on who would win

#

like Zen vs Winston

peak escarp
#

the plot plays a big role in deciding who wins

ivory garnet
#

yeah

peak escarp
#

on paper, Reaper should beat Winston every time

ivory garnet
#

most definitely

#

we’ve seen the heroes win though mostly every time besides some occurrences

#

like Tracer failing to save Mondatta

#

hope they give some wins to the enemies in the PvE though

peak escarp
#

the only time we see the badguys win is when the good guys aren't involved

#

like Reaper against the Svyatogors

ivory garnet
#

is that the Infiltration cinematic?

#

or his short story

ivory garnet
peak escarp
#

Infiltration

#

good point

ivory garnet
#

as she got her goal and Tracer couldnt stop her

#

and she let Tracer take her down at the end

#

so yeah, the main factor is just plot demands

#

also, is “Alive” post recall?

peak escarp
#

yes

#

wait

#

I don't remember

ivory garnet
#

you had an infographic somewhere

peak escarp
#

you see the order of things in London Calling

ivory garnet
#

ohh yeah

#

forgot

#

i’ll have to reread that line

peak escarp
#

I think Alive is slightly before

#

probably the only good thing to come out of London Calling

#

that and Iggy

ivory garnet
#

so whats the final point in Kings row? a factory with the Grid below?

peak escarp
#

a power plant

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with an Omnic city below

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called the Underworld

ivory garnet
#

interesting

#

would be cool if we got that as a map

#

somehow in someway

peak escarp
#

maybe we'll go down there in PvE

ivory garnet
#

i know we’ll be getting another section of Kings Row in the PvE possibly

#

the big gate

#

on the left side of the map

atomic pier
#

Did Mercy design Ana’s weapon?

ivory garnet
#

yes

#

Mercy and Torb helped create those type of weapons iirc

#

as you can see, they also created soldier’s healing pod

limpid agate
#

That's not what that says

atomic pier
#

It makes sense, though. Jack made Angela the Head of Medical Research for OW. So, I can see her having her hand in a lot of the healing mechanics we see being used.

#

I just naturally thought Ana would've created her own weapon.

peak escarp
#

Ana isn't an engineer

golden oak
#

Afaik mercy wasn’t so happy they used her tech for Ana’s rifle

thick elk
#

Why was ashe and mcree fight each other

peak escarp
#

because Cassidy betrayed the gang's values when he joined Blackwatch and sold out the gang

ivory garnet
#

to be honest, i’d rather be apart of a spec ops group instead of spending a life in prison

devout slate
#

is soldiers mask stuck to his face like genji

rare trail
#

No

#

He takes it off in old soldiers

rare trail
devout slate
#

dope

#

also

#

so like

#

im tryna see more animated shit

#

whys he not have a cinematic

peak escarp
#

he does

devout slate
#

where

peak escarp
devout slate
#

oh

#

oops

#

i meant

#

reaper

#

lol

#

guess i didnt type reaper

peak escarp
#

Reaper is in Infiltration and Recall

rare trail
#

I want a missing in pibe where we play as talon

#

Like Moira reaper widow doom

devout slate
#

whats the one where he uses death blossom

#

against uh

#

tracer and whoever else

peak escarp
rare trail
#

Oh yeah that’s like the original trailer

devout slate
#

dope

rare trail
#

The one where they’re stealing the gauntlet

devout slate
#

thanks

#

also where does this dude keep getting new guns from

#

i know its fictional but like

#

he just pulls guns from his asshole

worthy rose
#

He's a wizard

peak escarp
#

he has only used 2 pairs of guns

#

he probably just keeps a spare set in his coat

keen summit
#

Shows how rich talon is cuz at the end of sombra cinematic he just drops em

keen summit
#

But yes reaper in game with reloads isnt completely canon. There is a spray where it shows him having spares in his coat but we dont know if we should just take it as a joke. But frankly no he cant infinitely do it but he migh have spares

rare trail
#

In loverwatch he completely takes the whole helmet off but loverwatch isn’t canon so

half wraith
#

Where does talon get money from

rare trail
#

Maximilian

peak escarp
#

crime

rare trail
#

I assume Sanjay also gives them money

#

Talon like robs banks?

keen summit
#

We dont know exactly

#

One we do know is from maxi with his casino

half wraith
#

Do the push maps have lore

peak escarp
#

they are locations that exist in the OW universe

rare trail
#

Like junkertown

#

The attackers represent junkrat and roadhog who want to go blow up junkertown because they don’t like the queen

grand wedge
rare trail
#

The defenders represent friends of junkertown who want to stop the attackers from blowing junkertown up

grand wedge
#

The objective are not lore tho

rare trail
#

Some are like junkertown

#

Although in canon the gate never opened

grand wedge
#

Junkertown is basically Junkrat plan to blow up the Queen as seen in the short story

rare trail
#

The one right after first point

grand wedge
#

But you are not playing the lore… PvP isn’t story mode

rare trail
#

Yeah

grand wedge
#

BUT

The maps do have interesting lore

#

Take Esperança : the museum is full of lore (if you understand Portuguese)

rare trail
#

I mean if you play junkrat and roadhog on offense and like ball ig on defense that could be considered like a possible canon matchup if ball was there and wanted to fight and junkrat got past the gate after first point

grand wedge
#

It… that’s not how the lore works in a PvP setting

#

Damn I can’t speak English this morning gwadaRip

#

In JT : you have different voicelines from the Queen when you open the gates with different characters tho

rare trail
#

The old numbani spawn was really cool too

grand wedge
#

That’s how you learn JT has double-cows (lol?)

rare trail
#

The aftermath of the doom fight

grand wedge
#

It’s kinda boring since you’ve see it all in the book and the orisa origins tho

#

I’m far more interested in lore bites that are not already shown somewhere else

#

But it was cool that they change it to destroy it and now change back to a restored airport

#

Like when the opened the crate of Echo on R66

half wraith
#

What is doomfists intentions

lyric mountain
#

Conflict

hardy finch
#

whats the story behind nano boost?

#

or like all of the ults for that matter

#

that have some lore behind them

#

bc im curious

half wraith
hardy finch
#

but im curious about the others

#

like how did soldier 76 get a tactical visor, how did ana get a dart to empower people, how does winton get so angry in situations, how does ramattra know annihilation

#

stuff like that

keen summit
#

Which je achieves through conflict