lore-discussion

[short verge]

sombra is finna turn against talon and if im right im gonna destroy my lego baby yoda!

[wind portal]

Sombra probably won't turn to Talon, but I'm sure she'd find a way to let Sigma escape if she really wanted to, since she cares about him

turn against*

unless Winston somehow offers Sombra a better deal

#overwatch-serious don't mean to minimod

[peak escarp]

Sombra has already sabotaged one Talon mission

[atomic pier]

LOL sorry wrong chat

[peak escarp]

she's very likely to do it again

[wind portal]

I'm surprised she didn't sabotage the mission where they captured sigma

[ivory garnet]

even if she is to “sabotage” again, aslong as it helps Doom he will be fine

[worthy rose]

I feel bad for Junkrat. He seems like a nice guy but no one likes him

I know he’s a world class criminal but cmon

Never thought I’d say a sentence like that

[worthy rose]

I’ve got a sick cass edit. U wanna see it?

There’s 2 but which to send

[rare trail]

He does a little racism against omnics too

[worthy rose]

Oh ya

[rare trail]

Junkrats kinda silly

Product of his environment imo

I think he could be straightened out

[ivory garnet]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRt1RTGx/

Worst prediction ever

[rare trail]

This one is probably gonna be true

[ivory garnet]

all of OW can be seen as mcs

[peak escarp]

Ana and Rein are not going to die

[rare trail]

This is a pretty bad prediction

[peak escarp]

Moira is definitely not one of the main antagonists

[ivory garnet]

“Widow and Sombra betray Talon” or wtv 💀💀

[peak escarp]

we've already seen it once, we don't need a rematch

Widowmaker isn't going to betray Talon

[ivory garnet]

as much as i’d love to see widowmaker be healthy again, she wont

[rare trail]

They aren’t gonna kill a playable character

[peak escarp]

Widowmaker is loyal to Talon by choice

[rare trail]

Said ramattra is probably gonna die

💀

[peak escarp]

I can see Ramattra being defeated, but not killed

he'll probably be locked up, like Doomfist was

[ivory garnet]

he might be taken out of action

[peak escarp]

or possibly reformed by Overwatch

[rare trail]

The zen sacrificing himself isn’t a great prediction either

TikTok commenters are something else

[peak escarp]

Sigma would have no interest in taking over Talon

he just wants to do science

and he's not loyal to Talon so he can't betray them

I could see him being rescued though

[ivory garnet]

terrorist ≠ bad person ig

[peak escarp]

they need to put out some kind of lore primer before the PvE launches because the amount of lore illiteracy in the community is astounding

[rare trail]

Is there any evidence for the claim that dva was supposed to be underage but then people starting making nsfw stuff and they made her 19?

[peak escarp]

no

the closest thing is that when they were designing the hero, some designs had a child as the pilot, before they ever settled on D.Va

D.Va herself has always been 19

if people are going to make NSFW art, official ages aren't going to stop them

[worthy rose]

I mean… at heart he is a good person

He’s only fighting back for his people

[rare trail]

Uhh

[worthy rose]

Idk ram lore

[rare trail]

He did a little trolling to thousands of innocent people

[worthy rose]

Oh 💀

[rare trail]

And by a little trolling I mean murdered them

[worthy rose]

Yea they were human right

[rare trail]

Yeah

[worthy rose]

Ya makes sense

[rare trail]

He also works with talon

[worthy rose]

Oh

[rare trail]

Talon kinda goofy

[peak escarp]

Ramattra is a terrorist

it doesn't matter what his motives are

[final coyote]

@delicate tree blocked me after talking mad crap for asking me if i was a good tank and i responded the rank i was and proceeded to kick me and pretend she is gm, you are stuck plat and it’s pathetic how egotistical yall are😂 stay down there and pls dont come up here

[worthy rose]

Is he part of Talon? I killed him with sombra earlier and she said sorry boss

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[peak escarp]

Ramattra is working with Talon, yes

[ivory garnet]

He is the Leader of Null Sector

their factions are affiliated

but (i think) ramattra asks doom to assign his agents missions

[worthy rose]

gotcha. I started playing overwatch when the 2nd came out so I'm still learning like the lore and who's affiliated where, I know Talon is Doomfist, Sombra, Moira, widowmaker, reaper, sigma, ramattra and that's about it for the lore

[peak escarp]

nvm, this one is better

this will help you know who is connected to who

[worthy rose]

thanks

[ivory garnet]

did you send the list of “teams”?

[peak escarp]

a good place to start learning the lore is the official bios on the Overwatch website

I did

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

[peak escarp]

do you want that one?

[ivory garnet]

no, i was just confused by which image u sent since i didnt see it

[peak escarp]

well have it anyway

I like sharing my infographics

[ivory garnet]

you make good ones so🙏

[worthy rose]

thanks

[peak escarp]

if you have any questions, the regulars here are pretty knowledgeable

[ivory garnet]

are there only 3? Ive noticed only 3 people have that role

[worthy rose]

cool, I might start looking into the lore some but for now I'm just enjoying the game

[rare trail]

So genji and hanzo have different dragons

And hanzo gets two for some reason

[peak escarp]

we don't know if he has two dragons or if that's just for gameplay/visuals

[rare trail]

It with Kiriko spirit animal it’s just one fox that the people share

[ivory garnet]

we might get more info on the dragons (and maybe the Kitsune if Kiriko is in tbe short story)

[rare trail]

I thought two dragons were in dragons

[peak escarp]

they were

[ivory garnet]

yeah but it might be to imitate gameplay

[peak escarp]

"I choose you, spirit dragon" is singular

[rare trail]

Idk like it was in a cinematic isn’t that like by definition canon?

Hmm yeah that would be weird using singular nouns

[peak escarp]

he could have one dragon that manifests as two for the attack

[ivory garnet]

im with that idea

[rare trail]

Does genji and hanzos dad have a dragon?

[peak escarp]

the gameplay reason is so that it fills the hitbox of the ultimate

[peak escarp]

we don't know

[ivory garnet]

like i said, we might (HOPEFULLY🙏🙏🙏) get info on the dragons (and kitsune if Kiriko is in it)

[peak escarp]

hope we get the Hanzo story soon

[ivory garnet]

i’d imagine its after PvE release (if it isnt s4)

[safe perch]

elo

im newbie

[grim sorrel]

Who’s thinking who the season 4 hero is gonna be, as it’s gonna be a support based character was wondering what kind of hero or person it might be.

Would be hyped to use brig in pve alot haha

[limpid agate]

The Collective Hero - Can be any role
Hamid Faisal - Can be any role
Nameless - Can be dps or support
Sanjay Korpal - Can be any role
Mohawk Guy - Can be any role
Kace - Can be dps or support
Sven - Can be any role
Analyst Nguyen - Can be dps or support

These are the candidates

[ivory garnet]

it can also be no one we have seen

[limpid agate]

Which I dont think is likely unless its the Collective hero

Especially if theyre from Peru

[ivory garnet]

very possible yeah

[grim sorrel]

Ngl the Nameless sounds like a dope idea for a support

[ivory garnet]

also for the Mohawk guy, I only see him being a dps

and I dont see Sanjay being playable

[grim sorrel]

Like having a 2nd robot for support would be fun to see the voice interactions with zen and nameless

Plus would allow a pretty neat kit as they are an omic and can customise their body

Lanet is also another probs good choice for a support

[limpid agate]

Lanet is dead

[grim sorrel]

Ah…

Shame

Rip that we can’t have Anubis

What about Tariq

Tariq could be a support

[limpid agate]

No he cant

[grim sorrel]

He is alive

[limpid agate]

Yeah so are Mirembe and Kimiko

He's an irrelevant and generic member of the organization

[grim sorrel]

So a background character can’t become a hero huh?

[limpid agate]

Blizzard is typically pretty obvious with their teasers

So not unless that background character is highlighted

[grim sorrel]

i guess

[limpid agate]

Tariq hasnt been mentioned since 2016

Neither has Sven, but the devs were on record of saying they werent done with Sven

Sadly I cant find the source for that

But I think it was Michael Chu

Based on how Blizzard typically announces and reveals heroes

[grim sorrel]

I would kinda would enjoy a character that wasn’t with any of the factions/group

[limpid agate]

The leading candidate is a member of The Collective from Peru

[grim sorrel]

Only problem

Is what kind of hero

We know it’s a support

[limpid agate]

What

[grim sorrel]

Like what kind of support hero would they be.

[limpid agate]

They can be literally anything its an empty concept

Its a blank slate that has 1 thing associated with it, and that's Durovidro

[grim sorrel]

There is the martins

[limpid agate]

It could be them

But I dont think it will be without new information

[grim sorrel]

mmm i guess

Im just hoping for a turret/summon kind of support hero

Because that would sound epic

[ivory garnet]

Torb/Symm?

[grim sorrel]

They still both use some type of weaponary i mean a full focus on summons

Just like drones or something

[ivory garnet]

wouldnt fit gameplay

[grim sorrel]

why wouldn't it fit gameplay?

we got robots...

we got basically cyborgs

what else..

[ivory garnet]

thats not the problem

having someone’s main attack being a summoning device (not hardlight) wouldnt fit gameplay

[grim sorrel]

why because it won’t be apealing?

I would say it would be pretty unique like we got basiclly a blank canvas here my dude…we got 2 melee characters and the rest are all range we need something spicy.

Another great idea would be a throwable type of weapon like nades

Heal nades and then like anti-heal nades sounds great

[north dome]

if kiriko trained with the shimada brothers, shouldnt she be older than her 20s? in lore videos and panels shes shown with them in their young skins

[ivory garnet]

they were a full decade older than her

the art depicts that

[grim sorrel]

I want a support demoman now that sounds very fun and fun to play

[grim sorrel]

one thing i don't get is that some skins are so weird for some characters like there is sprays and a skin for brig that gives her a robotic arm but in reality she doesn't have one :C

[limpid agate]

What

Thats not a robot arm, that's the shield arm

From her armor

But confusingly, they put it on the wrong arm

[grim sorrel]

it's conufss

[magic ivy]

Technically Moira owns reaper and genji

She's a 16th century slave trader

[ivory garnet]

why would she own genji

[golden oak]

Why’s Mitzi orange

[worthy rose]

could it be Brig is cheating on Mitzi with another cat?(This is how cats perceive it)

[worthy rose]

Not Genji

[austere agate]

in the PvE that coming eventually, will there be missions completing story lines we already know? like playing out the cinematics or storylines we already have

or will everything be new to the story?

[jolly dagger]

i was plat 5 and went to plat 3 after winning 5 and losing 1 tf???

[austere agate]

#overwatch-serious

[jolly dagger]

it makes no sense

[grand wedge]

We don't know yet. Their plan is to move the story foward, so I'd say probably not (but who knows)

[rare trail]

wrong channel and why are you complaining you went up two ranks

[jolly dagger]

wdym

plat 3 is better than 5?

tf

[rare trail]

yeah

[jolly dagger]

i DIDNT know that

im sorry

[rare trail]

np

you should ask #overwatch-serious next time though

[jolly dagger]

they were saying im trolling htere

there*

[vast plinth]

is there a website or tool that has all Overwatch quotes in text and up-to-date? none of the wikis I can find really have this

[limpid agate]

The wiki does

!!wiki Mei/Quotes

[twilit nacelle]

For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Mei/Quotes

[limpid agate]

Replace Mei with your choice of hero in the url

[vast plinth]

@limpid agatetrue but they're always incomplete

[limpid agate]

Mei was a bad example, her page actually is incomplete

Most heroes aren't

I'll get around to fixing mei's page later

[vocal marsh]

Widows is also incomplete

[viscid flame]

It seemed like Reaper just went off on his own after Moira saved him from the explosion and gave him the extra powers, in the vengeance short story I read it didn't mention Moira beyond that. Doesn't seem like they met again until Talon recruited her

[worthy rose]

Does this site have Kirikos “hoho hey” line

I need to hear it

It’s not on YouTube bro

[young lily]

Is there a canon explanation as to how doomfist got taller in ow2

[ivory garnet]

he grew like a normal person

[rare trail]

he was like 30

people usually stop getting taller when theyre like 18

my head canon is new cybernetics made him taller

[ivory garnet]

new interaction

Doomfist: "Who taught you the blade?"

Genji: "The best swordmaster in the world."

Doomfist: "Ah… her."

talking about Kiriko’s mother

the way he says “her” is as if he hates her

wonder if they have any history

[worthy rose]

The best sword master in the world wouldn't be a woman

Thats just feminism

inaccurate

Its biological physical difference

[ivory garnet]

katana swordmastery doesnt need physical strength

[worthy rose]

Its not physical strength

men dominate every physical activity

[ivory garnet]

doesnt matter if thats even remotely true, in the story Genji acknowledges Kiriko’s mom as the best swordmaster

and so does Doom

[worthy rose]

Its very much true

Doom doesnt confirm that she is the best

Genji is probably just being nice to kirirokos mom

[ivory garnet]

him assuming its Kiriko’s mother from Genji just saying “the best swordmaster in the world” is definitely Doom acknowledging her

Doom is one to give credit where its due

even if its for the enemies

[worthy rose]

Imagine if doom is thinking of another woman

And they dont correlate at all to kirikos mom

[wind portal]

I hope you knew what you were saying, this sounds wrong on so many levels.

[worthy rose]

its not wrong

Its legit facts

Wake up to the real world man

[wind portal]

no it's not?

[worthy rose]

Yes it is

who's the best runner in the world? A man

Who's the best boxer in the world? A man

[wind portal]

Okay, and?

[worthy rose]

etc etc

[worthy rose]

So a fighting skill

Would be a mans dominated game

[wind portal]

just because a man might hold a record doesn't mean women are physically incapable of getting those records as well

and plus like someone previously mentioned, swordsmanship requires little physical strength, it's strategy and conditioning

[worthy rose]

Conditioning

As in

Physical

[wind portal]

mental.

[worthy rose]

It definitely requires physical

It is not all mental at all

This isnt anime bro

[wind portal]

I mean, not much strength is required to lift up a sword

[worthy rose]

Physical doesnt only mean strength

[wind portal]

you don't need physicals to be a good swordsman

[worthy rose]

Yes you do

Thats literally the whole point

ITS BEING PHYSICAL

[wind portal]

or in this case, swordswoman

[worthy rose]

ITS A PHYSICAL SPORT/ FIGHTING STYLE

[wind portal]

I mean, just because it's a 'physical' sport doesn't mean that muscle is inherently required

[worthy rose]

Dude why do you keep mentioning muscles

Who tf is mentioning strength

Im saying that men are better physically at this stuff than woman

Over All

[wind portal]

they're not but keep going

[worthy rose]

Ever been to a Biology class

Clearly didnt pay attention

Men are literally built to be better in physical conditions

[wind portal]

what does that have to do with men being better than woman or woman being better than men?

I hope you realize it's not all physical for 'physical' sports

[worthy rose]

Dumbest quote of the year everyone

"You dont need to be physical for physical sports"

Are you even reading what you're saying

[wind portal]

First off, read what I said again.

It's not all physical activity.

[worthy rose]

Yes you do

Yes it is

Mental my ass

You gotta be physically conditioned to your maximum potential in all physical activities if you want to be the best

[wind portal]

that's not all, I don't know why you think it's all physical.

You also need to be in the right mentality. Sure, a man might be physically stronger but if he's not in the right mindset or has ego and if the woman is prepared, then the woman will always win that confrontation.

[worthy rose]

A woman will never win a fight against a man

Ever

[wind portal]

that's just plain wrong buddy.

[worthy rose]

Strength has so much to do with who wins

Hollywood movies really brainwashed you into thinking a small woman can take a 250 pound muscle man

"Oh she's just so skilled and knows karate!!!"

[wind portal]

'a small woman', I hope you know I'm referencing real world activities right?

and yes, a small woman can absolutely take on a man larger than her

[worthy rose]

Thats impossible

The only way would be if the man lets her

[wind portal]

You must be living in the past then

[worthy rose]

No

Im living in a factual world

Not your hollywood delusions

You've only seen a woman beat a man in a fight where

A MOVIE

FAKE

ITS NOT REAL

[wind portal]

I've seen plenty of woman beat a man in a fight, from schools to actual sporting events, and more.

[worthy rose]

Men Hold Back

Do you not know this

[wind portal]

I think you should stop claiming women will never beat a man because that is a statistical impossibility.

[worthy rose]

Men hardly fight back because they're afraid to kill a woman

[worthy rose]

Go search it up on google

and be amazed

[wind portal]

??? that's not even remotely true. It's moral code for men to never hit a lady.

of course, only exception is self defense but that's a last last resort

Anyways

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

fr

This man just talking about women

This is overwatch lore

[ivory garnet]

you’re discouraging that a woman cant be the strongest swordmaster, when it’s acknowledged by atleast 2 people (a professional swordsman and a top tier in the world) This is also MANY years in the future and humans evolve, Asa-Sensei can very well be the best swordmaster in the world

[peak escarp]

it doesn't matter

the lore says she is the strongest, so she is

[ivory garnet]

yes i agree

[rare trail]

so kirikos mom is a better swordmaster than prime hanzo?

thats cool

i mean at least in genjis opinion

[hollow pewter]

Feminists here I see

[teal sedge]

Damn awkward silence

I'm not even gonna touch the subject lol

[rare trail]

what?

how is it feminist to say that kirikos mom is the best swordmaster like thats just something genij says

[teal sedge]

[peak escarp]

what's wrong with being a feminist?

everyone should be one

[maiden granite]

Very true

[wind portal]

literally lol, or just have the natural decency to accept the fact that a woman can be the best swordsman lol

[ivory garnet]

and Doom also seems to acknowledge her as a good swordswoman

even though its Hanzo’s short story, I’d like them to glance at what the dragons really are and how they work, and more with history from teachings with Asa Sensei

[rare trail]

pretty weird to argue for 20 mins that a woman cant be the best swordsman as well

[ivory garnet]

very

[rare trail]

i wonder how good kiriko is with a sword

[wind portal]

very clear that he doesn't think woman can't be the best at anything lmao

[rare trail]

she seemed good at melee fighting in her short

[ivory garnet]

we KNOW she is good at fighting, having she taught 2 of the strongest swordsmen that we know of (even though they might be the only ones, with genji being the only swordsman now)

[vocal marsh]

She should roughly be in between Genji and Hanzo

I think she took it less seriously than Hanzo but more than Genji

[rare trail]

kiriko might be worse with a sword than current hanzo

neither of them have used it for many years

but kiriko has probably used it more recently

[ivory garnet]

i mean she’s very serious about protection, so I think she is more serious than Genji was

Kiriko hasnt used a sword since she was very young im pretty sure

[rare trail]

i would think her training would continue with her mom till she moved out but idk

[wispy lily]

Genji is pretty hot

[grim kite]

genjig

[pearl tendon]

gengij

genji gaming

[grim kite]

wth is this place

the heck

[safe oriole]

Side eye

[twin sage]

can i be lore

[maiden granite]

no

[ivory garnet]

we technically are apart of history in overwatch 2016 and down

[hollow pewter]

Y’all is Hammond from France

[peak escarp]

no

[magic ivy]

she remade him out of metal after hanzo killed him

[ivory garnet]

that was mercy

moira had nothing to do with Genji’s new body i believe

[peak escarp]

Mercy healed him, she didn't make Genji's body

[worthy rose]

HUH WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED HERE LMFAOO

[worthy rose]

^

[peak escarp]

just ignore it

[worthy rose]

technically from Horizon Lunar Colony, but landed in Australia

[worthy rose]

No I need to read this Coffee ☕

[ebon nova]

Can we talk about the shit policy for having to use a damm phone number

I ain’t got data so how am I supposed to play

Down bad

[peak escarp]

this is the lore channel

[worthy rose]

yeah ^

[worthy rose]

but its so if people are banned they cant get back in without a new phone number, which is pretty valid

[wind portal]

yeahg you don't want to know.

[worthy rose]

I read the first 20 messages and I left it there

[ebon nova]

It’s pretty bullshit I just waisted 2 hours downloading this game so my gf can teach me and I can’t play

Because I ain’t got data

[wind portal]

just use the standard phone number everyone uses to bypass it

[worthy rose]

if you can receive messages then you'll be all good

[worthy rose]

that exists?

[wind portal]

Mhm

[ebon nova]

Lol wish I knew that sooner before I uninstalled this crap

[worthy rose]

I'll keep that in mind

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

#overwatch-serious so we don't misuse channels

[vocal marsh]

In a voice line Rein mentions how his “old” music came from the 2030s

Judging by the fact that Rein is 61, could we assume that the events take place sometime around 2070

[ivory garnet]

we already know its someplace in 2070

[rare trail]

I thought there was a specific date pinned down by a poster that said like coming on march 7th Friday on one of the maps

[lusty tangle]

In Ana's origin story, who shot her? Was it someone we know, or someone completely different?

[upper leaf]

buy a burner

for like 30 dollars

[worthy rose]

30 dollars for a ftp game is a waste of money

[upper leaf]

man it is 30 dollars

the game before was 60

[worthy rose]

It was Widowmaker, as seen in her origin cinematic from the Overwatch channel at 1:10

[worthy rose]

get that account banned and you're spending the same as the ow1 players

also #overwatch-serious for that, I don't want to keep flooding this channel

[worthy rose]

To clarify, inside of Ana's cinematic which is her writing a letter to her daughter(Pharah)

[rare trail]

So why does everyone speak English?

[austere agate]

cuz you play the english version

[rare trail]

All the cinematics are in animated in English

Ig maybe shooting star could be in lore everyone is speaking Korean but it’s translated

But like dva talks to Cassidy so we know she knows english

Honor and glory should be German right?

[austere agate]

I think most all of them would know how to speak english, only because if they are to be working together they need a common language

[rare trail]

Yeah every playable character probably knows English

[austere agate]

and the lost spoken langue in the world is english

[rare trail]

I thought Chinese was the most spoken language

[austere agate]

that would make sense along with dvas in korean

dragons could be in japanese as well

[austere agate]

no unless google is lying to me

[rare trail]

Kiriko is Japanese probably

[austere agate]

chinese is a close second

[austere agate]

that would make sense considering her relationship to the shamadas

[rare trail]

Alive is a mix of English and French bc I don’t think widow would monologue to herself in nkt her first language

Hero is either Spanish or English

[austere agate]

yea and she talks to tracer

[austere agate]

this one idk, you’d think the kid speaks spanish and probably doesn’t know english

but I wonder how well soldier knows spanish lol

[rare trail]

Technically ram origin could be any language because I assume that omnics know all languages

But it’s probably English

[austere agate]

I wonder if any of the humans can understand bastion

[rare trail]

Torb might be able to

[austere agate]

torb is american right

[rare trail]

I thought he was German

He def speaks English though

[austere agate]

I have not a clue tbh

swedish

interesting

[half wraith]

How can ram and zen speak but bastion just beeps

[austere agate]

I believe bastion is an older more outdated omnic

he got an upgrade from torb but I guess not with the ability to speak

[worthy rose]

they speak english most of the time
This differs from country to country and on language settings, but it is so the players know what they're saying. Not really lore based but still

[opaque scroll]

Most heroes have voicelines in their native languages

[worthy rose]

mhm

[opaque scroll]

The only ones who dont that I remember would be rein and torb

[worthy rose]

soldier and reaper's whole set of voicelines are in their native language, same with any american

[opaque scroll]

Yeah

Tracer is british

Zen and Ram are omnics so I'll count them out

Wait does pharah have any voicelines in Egyptian

[worthy rose]

Well they didn't come from american based Omnium mines so I'd say they don't have any voicelines from their native language

[worthy rose]

I'm not sure, I don

agh

missclick

but I don't play pharah

[opaque scroll]

Yeah

[wooden cove]

They both have German/Swedish voicelines

Lol

[opaque scroll]

They do?

[wooden cove]

Yes

[opaque scroll]

Wait which ones

[wooden cove]

Idk but I have one of rein’s equipped from the polar express lookin skin

Where he says all aboard in German

He has other lines

As does torb

[opaque scroll]

Huh... mb then

[wooden cove]

[austere steppe]

you know how hanzo, genji and kiriko all have magic because of the fact they were born in japan

how the fuck can Echo copy that

[ivory garnet]

i believe echo cant actually “copy” abilities, but she knows prior knowledge of them because of Dr Mina Liao

[austere steppe]

thats the same thing as copying them.

[limpid agate]

No it isnt

She can copy their techniques, such Genji's swordsmanship or Hanzo's marksmanship

She can't copy the physical tools themselves, and by extension, the magic

[ivory garnet]

yeah i guess i’ll word it better

she cant mimic magic, reaper’s powers, and other special abilities like that

but she can copy techniques like Taiga listed

[vale knoll]

Then how does she fade with reaper and moira?

Or is that just gameplay

[ivory garnet]

thats just gameplay

she cant mimic reaper wraith

[austere steppe]

then how can she copy Hanzo's dragon or Kiriko's Kitsune rush

it doesn't make sense

[limpid agate]

She cant

Gameplay != Lore

[austere steppe]

ok

[worthy rose]

Hanzo and genji do not have magic, that is explained by hard light technology
Kiriko however has not had a explaination on her japanese uwu kawaii fox that balances blood sugar and blocks bullets 👉👈

[ivory garnet]

Genji and Hanzo dragons arent hardlight

[austere steppe]

yea

[worthy rose]

a dev did say that

lemme find it

[austere steppe]

in the dragons cinematic it said "only a shimada can control the dragons" implying that they aren't hard light

[ivory garnet]

the hardlight theory was destroyed when Kiriko was added

[austere steppe]

also why the fuck would hanzo and genji have access to vishkar technology

or did they make it themselves???

[ivory garnet]

Vishkar arent the only hardlight architects

just one of the most known

[austere steppe]

their the main one though

[limpid agate]

So is Orisa

So is every barrier in the game

So is Lucio

[ivory garnet]

however, yes, hardlight arent the basis of the dragons, thats why Im hoping for Hanzo’s short story to go over what they are

and how they were conceived

[austere steppe]

lucio got his stuff from vishkar

he stole it from them

[ivory garnet]

thats what they were saying

[austere steppe]

ok

[worthy rose]

to be fair when sym enters the push map on colleseo(i think thats how its called) she notes "the beautiful hard light sculptures" and how there are so many amazing architects(maybe artists?) there

[austere steppe]

so why would they have access to hard-light technology

[limpid agate]

That's like saying "why does BMW have access to Tesla technology?" because they make electric cars

[ivory garnet]

another note on this, theres a new voice line that indicates Symmetra enjoys Lucio’s music, let me find it

[limpid agate]

Electric Cars isnt Tesla technology

[worthy rose]

why would rein have access to it? why would sigma have access to it? why would ow1 orisa have access to it? why would early days bastion have access to it when in turret form?

[limpid agate]

Tesla is a company very famous for their production of electric cars

But they arent the only company that do so

[austere steppe]

genji and hanzo have zero affiliation with hard light

so why the fuck would they use it

[limpid agate]

Again

Missing the point

[ivory garnet]

wouldnt be surprised if the Shimada used to have any friendships with a hardlight company

back when they were young

[austere steppe]

makes sense, I suppose

[worthy rose]

the shimada family would prob have ties to Vishkar corp. so they may have had it made for the two brothers

[ivory garnet]

we dont know if the brothers controlled the dragons when they were younger though iirc

[worthy rose]

yes, but they could have had it made for when they were older

[ivory garnet]

Hanzo’s short story has the potential to cover alot, but i doubt it will

[austere steppe]

also can I just point out that kiriko does have an explanation for her fox thingamabob

its a spirit

its confirmed in one of her cinematics

[peak escarp]

the dragons are not explained by hard light

[worthy rose]

as I said
UwU kawaii anime fox spirit that balances blood sugar and eats bullets 👉👈

[peak escarp]

that was a fan theory

[worthy rose]

swore a dev said it somewhere

[peak escarp]

one that seems unlikely now that Kiriko has confirmed the existence of spirits

[ivory garnet]

^

[worthy rose]

I mean if I'm correct it was a fired dev so maybe things changed along with the new dev that took his spot? I don't read into the dev stuff too often tho so yeah

[limpid agate]

it wasnt a fired dev

[ivory garnet]

i only remember it being a theory

[limpid agate]

The previous lead writer said that the dragons were not magic

The new lead writer released Kiriko who has magic

[worthy rose]

omfg

so I was right that someone said it wasn't magic

[ivory garnet]

well

[worthy rose]

my memory is only spotty when I need to do things

[peak escarp]

he said it wasn't magic

he didn't say it was hard light

that could just mean that he considered "magic" and "spirit" as separate things

[ivory garnet]

likely

[worthy rose]

I mean I'd consider spirits a magical or religious thing

but like if we're going to go into magic things why is it only like the japanese heroes that have magic?

[peak escarp]

you can ask him on twitter, but I doubt you'll get an answer

Zenyatta has it too

his healing and his ability to float both come from the Iris

[worthy rose]

Zenyatta has science that cannot be explained (he says something similar to this)

[ivory garnet]

has something that science cant explain*

[worthy rose]

meaning the Iris is the one true religion ✊

[worthy rose]

as I said, something similar

[peak escarp]

he also straight up tells Sigma that he achieves his gifts through the Iris

[worthy rose]

.

but tbf not every interaction is cannon according to someone deep in this channel

[ivory garnet]

interactions are hypotheticals/can imply canon

[worthy rose]

Thank you

[ivory garnet]

some ARE canon because we see some happen in lore

[worthy rose]

which mean yes Mei is broke asf and has D.va buy her clothes

<3

[worthy rose]

ofc

[ivory garnet]

maybe when they meet, but they havent met yet as far as we know of in lore

[worthy rose]

According to D.va she has read Mei's journals and is a big fan

[ivory garnet]

technically, only overwatch member that has met the new recruits are Cassidy iirc

but we know that they all come together in the PvE

[worthy rose]

Hottake on pve -Pve should be free to ow1 players as they spent 60$ for a game that became ftp

[peak escarp]

...so players who bought one game should get a second game free?

that's not going to happen

[ivory garnet]

the main focus of the 2nd game for free aswell

[worthy rose]

tbf ow2 was literally just a patch with a new ftp format

[peak escarp]

also not all OW1 players paid $60

OW1 has been on sale for as low as $5

[worthy rose]

I forgot people didn't buy those deluxe ones

[ivory garnet]

real quick, has Talon ever used omnic soldiers? or was it only human soldiers?

[peak escarp]

you aren't entitled to anything just because you paid for the first game

[peak escarp]

all the ones we've fought have been human

but Maximilien is an omnic and he's on the council

[ivory garnet]

okay ty

yeah i was just meaning their foot soldier

soldiers*

[peak escarp]

I think realistically they probably do have some omnics in their ranks, but for gameplay sake they're all human

[ivory garnet]

are these guns used by those soldiers (map rialto)

[peak escarp]

yes

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

was wondering why there was a whole armory underground

its because its a talon base right?

[peak escarp]

yep

[ivory garnet]

the sniper looks like a skinnier version of widow’s

theres something interesting that i saw on the new map

in one of the spawns

blood stains?

[void vale]

ayoooo? i just found out chateau guillard is widowmakers home?

fr?

[ivory garnet]

chateau guillard has nothing to do with canon iirc

[void vale]

it says on the overwatch wiki

[ivory garnet]

isnt a reliable source as anyone can edit it

[void vale]

isnt guillard widowmakers maden name?

before she married gerard lacroix

[peak escarp]

it's a reference to The Thing

[ivory garnet]

ahh okay

thank you

[peak escarp]

a movie about a murderous shapechanger on an Antarctic base

[ivory garnet]

yeah, ive seen a few videos on that

[wet raven]

whats the lore on baptiste

why is he so god damn cool

[ivory garnet]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/baptiste/

[rare trail]

theres his bio origin video and he appears in new blood

i think thats all the lore on him you can get

voicelines too ig

[peak escarp]

there's also a short story

[rare trail]

oh yeah i forgot about what you left behind

[thick elk]

Why does widow work with talon if Moira experimented and tortured her

[peak escarp]

they make the feelings go away

[rare trail]

and she likes killing

[peak escarp]

also Moira didn't torture her

[rare trail]

it makes her feel "alive"

i mean intense neural reconditioning can be interpreted in a lot of different ways but its not confirmed there was torture

[peak escarp]

that wasn't Moira

[thick elk]

Oh so widow don't feel pain ?

[peak escarp]

Moira worked on her after she came back

after killing her husband

[rare trail]

moira didnt help in her brainwashing?

she just did the heart surgery?

[peak escarp]

Moira is a geneticist

not a... psychotherapist, or whatever

Moira was just responsible for the genetic therapy to slow her heart which turned her blue

[maiden granite]

is ashe fully evil?

[peak escarp]

depends how you define evil

[digital crag]

So, I was messing around with elimination lines and found out that Mei says "I'm sorry, Genji!" after eliminating, you guessed it, Genji. How strong is Genji and Mei's friendship?

[peak escarp]

they're both in Overwatch, but we haven't really seen them interact

so we don't know how close they are

[digital crag]

Ah. I was wondering if it was either undisclosed, or if I wasn't educated enough.

Thanks for informing

[ivory garnet]

is it possible Mina Liao and Cassidy had some sort of small connection? could that be the reason Echo likes to say his name and such?

[peak escarp]

Cassidy was assigned as her bodyguard

[ivory garnet]

yeah i saw that, is that why Echo and Cassidy have a friendship that makes it look like they’ve been lifelong friends?

[peak escarp]

yes

[ivory garnet]

thats cute in a friendship format

do we have a rough estimate of how old Mina Liao was?

[peak escarp]

hard to say

[wind portal]

if I had to estimate, probably late 30s early 40s?

[ivory garnet]

she helped create the first omnics right? or was it just omnics in general

[peak escarp]

she helped create the first omnics

and created Aurora

[ivory garnet]

so i’d guess 40s?

early-mid 40s

can we pin this or no due to it being ow1 ages

[dense cliff]

wait i thought mercy was 39

wow i guess i was very wrong

[ivory garnet]

born the same year as cassidy

[trail ridge]

I thought hanzo was like 42

[worthy rose]

I thought symmetra was 35

[ivory garnet]

no

[shadow marsh]

The Thing reference, most of the areas you can find in Antarctic Peninsula have a lot of it

Ohh nvm it was already pointed out

[peak escarp]

one of Mei's coworkers was also a reference

MacReady

[austere agate]

wait so i saw something today today saying no one knows about echos ability to duplicate besides cassidy

is that true

[peak escarp]

she might not be able to literally duplicate people like she does in the game

it's more likely she can just imitate other people's skills

[iron plume]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[iron plume]

Stop.

[ivory garnet]

saw an interesting topic, does Cassidy not know who Reaper is?

I thought all ow members knew who Reaper was

or did i just interpret ana’s reaction wrong

[iron plume]

Not as far as we know
But he likely will soon

[ivory garnet]

cant wait to see his reaction

[iron plume]

Because Ana and Soldier know from their time fighting him, and Ana told Mercy

Mercy is in new overwatch and has no reason not to tell them

[ivory garnet]

yeah, im intrigued if they give us a reaction of Cassidy or Genji

thats if Mercy hasnt told Genji yet

[bleak lodge]

Where is rammattra on the power list?

[limpid agate]

Unknown\

He has no combat appearances

Hes just been shown talking

[dense nebula]

Chances are tho, since he leads Null Sector and was influential enough to ally with Talon directly through Doomfist, he’s at least not a pushover

[glacial gyro]

I'm noon in lore

[rain shoal]

Ramattra would be about the same age as Bastion since they were created during the first omnic crisis
That might not be entirely accurate tho since Bastion can’t speak human languages unlike Ram and Zen

[wind portal]

Soldier would be 56-57, Echo is probably 5 years old or so, Sojourn around 35-36, Kiriko probably 29-30ish

[ivory garnet]

dont tell me this, im not the creator of the infographic lol

[peak escarp]

Echo would be older than that

she was made before Overwatch fell

[wind portal]

so around 8-9 years?

[peak escarp]

something like that

also Kiriko is early 20s

[wind portal]

I thought she'd be just slightly older since she trained with hanzo and genji when they were roughly teens or early teens

[peak escarp]

her bio says she was 12 when Sojiro was assassinated

which happened 12 years ago

so she's 24

she trained with them when she was a child and they were teens

so if she was 5, Genji was 16 and Hanzo was 19

that matches the artwork from her origin trailer

[vocal marsh]

Also Sojourn is 100% not in her 30s

[peak escarp]

oh yeah

I missed that

she's around Soldier's age

JQ would be in her 30s

and Ramattra would be <30 years old

[rare trail]

!!shitposting @fathom fractal

[twilit nacelle]

@fathom fractal Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

!!loreonly

damn

zeppelin?

nvm

[grand wedge]

Sojourn is in her 50´s she was early 20’s during the crisis which happened 30 years ago

[opaque scroll]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[golden oak]

She seems really immature for her age ngl

[dense nebula]

Older

[worthy rose]

ig I don't have Zeppelin rights

[grand wedge]

She was likely 22-23 in the beginning of the crisis - with at least 4 years of service in the Canadian army. So yeah, in her mid 50's sounds about right. Maybe they'll give us a real timeline and the real age of the heroes at some point - since they removed the old ages from the biographies witht the update - and have yet given us real dates of past events

[worthy rose]

Honestly funny

[pastel geode]

D.va modified her mech into the rave skin because lucio invited her to one his parties and she wanted to arrive in style

[rare trail]

i mean thats not impossible

[vague grove]

oh wrong

[iron plume]

@vague grove Not really a topic for this channel

[vague grove]

I didn't see

my bad

[pastel geode]

it is possible
they are both huge celebrities that obviously enjoy each others work and most likely hangout with each other a lot

[rare trail]

wdym likely

[peak escarp]

it's not possible

[rare trail]

they live across teh world

[peak escarp]

MEKA wouldn't let her modify the mech like that

[drowsy bolt]

I can imagine D.va just casually cursing over the pacific ocean with her mech boosters to visit lucio

She is korean right?

[maiden granite]

yes

[vocal marsh]

She’d also have to cross the continent

[frail fern]

why does sigma get distracted by the melody ⁉️

[peak escarp]

because it's distracting

[frail fern]

I need answers

[hot cedar]

How does reaper have an endless stock of shotguns on him? Is it thanks to his smoke shadow powers?

[rare trail]

thats tf2 lore and its just bc they like each other

its not that deep

wdym relised?

[ivory garnet]

we’ve only ever seen him use 2 pairs of hellfire shotguns, so we dont know

[worthy rose]

his shadow powers might take the guns when he throws them to the ground and and takes apart the shotguns to remake them dumb thoery tho

[fair heron]

Winston was on the moon during his childhood right ?

[rare trail]

yeah

[fair heron]

so if i remember well, he escaped but how ?

[rare trail]

escape pod on the station iirc

its probably in his bio

[fair heron]

oh ok

[rare trail]

"Winston built a makeshift rocket and escaped the base."

[fair heron]

which type of experience did the scientific did to Winston ?

[rare trail]

i think they were just trying to test like how human he was

bc that was the point of altering the gorillas genes

[peak escarp]

they were testing the effects of living on the moon

[fair heron]

but did one of the experiences make winston ultimate?

[peak escarp]

Lucheng Interstellar established the Horizon Lunar Colony as a first step for humanity’s renewed exploration of space. Among its residents was a group of genetically enhanced animals that were intended to test the effects of prolonged habitation in space.

One gorilla displayed such rapid brain development from the gene therapy that he was taken under the wing of Dr. Harold Winston, who taught him science and inspired him with tales of human ingenuity.

[south niche]

Does anyone know when pve might come out?

[peak escarp]

2023

within the next 11 months

[rare trail]

So yk those like 1m lions vs x thing

How many lions can overwatch beat?

[keen summit]

So now doom is confirmed to know Asa

[peak escarp]

he knows of her at least

[keen summit]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

she might have been there when Talon tried to recruit Sojiro

[keen summit]

And efi having cousin who was with talon

[peak escarp]

that's from the novel

we meet her cousin Bisi and he even tries to recruit Efi to Talon

[keen summit]

Yeah but nice that its ingame now too

[peak escarp]

yeah

and they fixed his name

that interaction was added in the beta, but they got his name wrong

Sibi instead of Bisi

I pointed it out on Twitter, and they fixed it

[keen summit]

Ahh nice nice

[peak escarp]

surprising that they'd get the name wrong though

[polar sequoia]

Stupid question:
If everyone fought in death battle, who'd die first. Lore wise

[rare trail]

Mei proabably

Probably*

Zen is kinda weak too

[polar sequoia]

But Zen is spiritually smart tho. That does nothing?
Cree and Ashe are just western folks

[rare trail]

Zen can maybe float and heal people which doesn’t do much to help his survivability

[polar sequoia]

I think sigma would win? We don't know how powerful his gravity is

[rare trail]

Cass is a very good strategist and has taken out the entire deadlock gang solo before

[polar sequoia]

Ooo

[rare trail]

Sigma orisa Winston or Symmetra would win

Sigma and sym are mostly speculation though

[polar sequoia]

Sym??

What she do

[rare trail]

Yeah she has hardlight

Hardlight can like build anything

So it’s like green lantern

But without the constraint of willpower or whatever

[polar sequoia]

Oh

[rare trail]

Orisa and Winston bc they’re strong 💪

And durable

Reaper has a decent chance of winning

Same with doomfist

They’re like 5 and 6 most powerful

Reaper probably wins because it’s really hard to kill him

Highball sigma sigma would probably be able to kill him though

[cerulean vortex]

Doomfist solos

[wind portal]

Symmetra actually has some lore to back up her higher rating though

but yeash sigma is just speculation

[polar sequoia]

Reaper is badass
What is his weakness?

[rare trail]

Uhh

He doesn’t really have one

He’s in pain all the time ig

That’s pretty bad

[polar sequoia]

He can just wraith forever?

[cerulean vortex]

A monkey and a British girl are his weakness

[polar sequoia]

I should know this because I play reaper

[peak escarp]

his weakness is the plot

[polar sequoia]

Lol

[rare trail]

His weakness is being a cartoon villain who refuses to kill his targets before monologuing for 15 mins

[peak escarp]

facts

[polar sequoia]

Huh

[polar sequoia]

Oh so when he wraiths. It hurts his body?

[rare trail]

He’s just in pain regardless his cells are constantly regenerating and degenerating

[polar sequoia]

At a fast rate?

Soo freeze him? Cells slow down

[keen summit]

he cant really win but also cant really lose

only person who could theoretically kill him is sigma

cuz black hole, but we dont know if sigma can just control black holes aswell just cause he did create it once

[wind portal]

thereotically, if you have the technology, you could keep consistently attacking Reaper until you overwhelm his regeneration, which is something we kind of saw with winston in the cinematic, albiet, it has to be really consistent damage at all times

his ability isn't that overpowered in lore it's just currently no one in lore has the capabilities of dealing with that much regeneration outside of maybe winston or sigma but sigma is speculation

[worthy rose]

Can we get a orphan list rq? like the heroes with no parents from a young age(18-)

Winston

Hammond

Sombra

Mercy

Bap

Doomfist?(not sure)

All I can remember

[grand wedge]

Sombra Mercy and Baptiste - nothing is said about Doomfist parents

[worthy rose]

I mean winston and hammond

they have a stunning lack of parents in their life

[keen summit]

Doom had parents cuz the enhancements where cuz the family had company

[worthy rose]

Everyone I listed had parents 💀

[keen summit]

It seems likely at least he'd still be tied to parents

But from yiung age

[worthy rose]

like I said
anyone 18- that became orphans

[keen summit]

Even then doom is yknow not confirmed or denied

[keen summit]

Thing is as he has enhancements till very late

[worthy rose]

Doomfist has to have at least fatherless issues

[keen summit]

He had to be atleasy moee yhan 16

To get enhancements like that atleast

We also saw him around 15-16 still doing martial arts thx to sprays

[worthy rose]

Doomfist should just find someone to love him imo

[keen summit]

Nah

Hes busy

He doesnt care

[worthy rose]

He's busy bc he never had a personality after 18 that wasn't "oonga boonga building go boom"

[keen summit]

Nah

Cuz he only cares bout his philosophy

Which is a fighters type of thinking: only through conflict can people evolve. Cuz its kindoff correct in nature and fighting

[worthy rose]

I mean has anybody considered just putting him into freezing temps so his body diverts blood from his arms and stuff to his vital organs?

like he couldn't do anything if he just doesn't get food

[keen summit]

That'd be inhumane

[worthy rose]

its unethical but so is "Building go boom boom"

[keen summit]

Thing is it doesnt make you more of a hero than him

Thats the idea

Again its much like irl

[worthy rose]

so is killing innocent people for your opinon

[worthy rose]

I mean one death could save thousands, even if unethical it is true

[keen summit]

A person can have killed multiple people but not get death themselves. Thats how it is in lots of countries

[worthy rose]

and a lot of these countries had to have changed opinions in the 50 year difference from now and the game

[keen summit]

Not really

As in fact

Death penalty is getting less the more time go on

More people are excused

[worthy rose]

bc of popular media and stuff

[keen summit]

And the penalty gets abolished in more countries

[rare trail]

Blood doesn’t go to his arms

[keen summit]

Yes, that would still exist

[rare trail]

His arms are prosthetic

[worthy rose]

oh fuck yeah

just take away his arm rights

[keen summit]

And also parts of his legs, chest and head are

[rare trail]

I mean if you want a really inhumane way of killing someone freezing them to death works

But yeah the reason doom could break out of jail was bc they didn’t take away his robot arms

[worthy rose]

I mean revoking body part rights to protect people seem fair

[keen summit]

Thing is, there was a mole in the prison

[worthy rose]

stupid people

[rare trail]

Probably because talon had ties inside the prison

[keen summit]

Thsts why ge got out

[keen summit]

There were moles

[worthy rose]

sombra can really just hack him and have him take himself apart

[rare trail]

I assume talon meddling is what stopped that

[keen summit]

Who where stopping people from checking

Like they would check

Say everything is fine

[worthy rose]

I'm just saying but revoking arm rights is what someone needs to do

revoke his arm rights

no more destruction bc where arms

[rare trail]

Yeah to keep him in jail you would need to take away his very strong prosthetics

[keen summit]

Again they actually changes his arm

But once more he got a stronger arm thx to people inside

[worthy rose]

you said they were prosthetics?

[keen summit]

You need to keep his arms cuz again inhumane

[keen summit]

Yes, they changed which type it was

[worthy rose]

he is more inhumane than just taking away his arms

[keen summit]

Notice how in the trailer he didbt have guns

[rare trail]

I mean they’re just prosthetics you can remove them without hurting him

[keen summit]

On his hand

[worthy rose]

like bro he can have a assistant to help his lack of arms

[keen summit]

Yes but you leave him disabled

[keen summit]

Then that wouldbe allowed him yo get out too

[worthy rose]

get him a assistant to help his armlessness

[rare trail]

Skill issue shouldn’t have been a terrorist

[worthy rose]

okay so we just don't give him a assistant

no arms

[rare trail]

Also you can replace them with arms that like don’t punch through concrete

[worthy rose]

he can be spoon fed

[keen summit]

Thing is again that was the plan

But there were moles

[worthy rose]

just don't give him arms guys

[rare trail]

We don’t know the inner workings of the prison you don’t know that was the plan

[keen summit]

His family owns a prosthetic company

[worthy rose]

spoon feed him

[keen summit]

A well known one too

[keen summit]

Agaon his arms were changed

[rare trail]

I mean the reason he kept his arms was probably because of talon moles but the prison could’ve just goofed up

[keen summit]

Thing is the prison wouldve needed to check on him but ghe moles probs made it impossible

[worthy rose]

people just capture him again and remove arms

[rare trail]

“just capture him again”

[keen summit]

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Helix_Securities_maximum_security_prison

[rare trail]

The first time only happened because they knew where he would be and because they sent their strongest heroes it’s not likely he gets captured again

[worthy rose]

I'm not reading the wiki

[worthy rose]

but if he does

just- take his arms

spoon feed him

ez

[keen summit]

The craft passed through the range of the installation’s defense systems without incident (this feat led some individuals to believe later that Talon had moles within Helix).

[keen summit]

Now orisa exists

[worthy rose]

And orisa can stab his arms off

<3

more ethical than terrorism imo

[rare trail]

Orisa isn’t working with overwatch

[keen summit]

Yes i know

[worthy rose]

she's working to protect Numbani from doomfist

so

stabby stabby bye bye arms

[keen summit]

Its more that if they can get orisa to work with them just to take doom down

Doom will probs be locked up after he realises he was wrong and his philosophy was bad, at overwatch he'd be locked up instead and there they have good tech

To truely keep him stuck

[worthy rose]

to truly keep him stuck you remove his arms

[keen summit]

Or just give him shitty ones without anyone changing it.

Like yknow, cass arms

[worthy rose]

or remove them

[rare trail]

Why do you think doom will have a change of heart and completely change his philosophy

[keen summit]

Wouldnt fit overwatch

[keen summit]

Cuz its overwatch

"everubody can be a hero"

[ivory garnet]

we have only seen good people turn bad

[keen summit]

Doomfist sees himself as the hero

[ivory garnet]

not the other way around

hero is whats viewed by an audience, you can think ur a hero but have horrible morals and a bad ideology

[rare trail]

Yeah doomfist thinks he’s right there’s nothing to show he’s starting to doubt his ideas or anything

[worthy rose]

they killed dictators
They can remove doomfists arms without being "Owh mwy gwod Iwm swo sowwy"

[rare trail]

Which dictators did overwatch kill?

[keen summit]

Nah irs more about "being the better people"

[worthy rose]

its either kill or take down

[keen summit]

Hanzo kinda

[worthy rose]

hanzo was never shown to really change

[rare trail]

also wouldn’t the prison be the one removing dooms arms? Bc like overwatch doesn’t have a prison

[worthy rose]

to my knowledge

[keen summit]

Exactly, not yet

[worthy rose]

he said a ow prison so 🤷‍♂️

[keen summit]

Its more about that overwatch would make one, fits how the story goes

Cuz there arent talon peeps with them

They know talon is everywhere, so instead theyd keeo them themselves

All heroes have heroic goals tho, exceot reaper and widow ig.

[rare trail]

Doomfists goal isn’t really heroic

[keen summit]

Thays why i think doom wont be redeemed but just give up

[rare trail]

Ashes goal isn’t heroic

Sombras goal isnt heroic

[keen summit]

It is, he wants to help humanity evolve

[rare trail]

He wants to plunge humanity into a massive war

[keen summit]

She wants jer found family to be happy

[worthy rose]

OMFG HE AGREES WITH A TERRORIST

[keen summit]

No?

[worthy rose]

she robs, kills, etc

[keen summit]

I said his goals are good his actions are bad