lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

it's the model of omnic that Orisa was made from

[rare trail]

oh like the robots in honor and glory?

the one that stabbed reinhardt

[peak escarp]

yes

[misty coral]

who need a diamond 1 player

[rare trail]

!!lfg

[twilit nacelle]

LOOKING FOR GROUP

If you are looking for people to play with, assign yourself an LFG role in #roles-old!

[gilded lake]

beep : )

[idle spoke]

do you main bastion

[gilded lake]

yes

[idle spoke]

oh

[gilded lake]

i also main ramatrra

[idle spoke]

L tank tho

[gilded lake]

: (

[idle spoke]

lol

[gilded lake]

Boop : 0

[woeful monolith]

bep boop

[gilded lake]

: 0

[maiden granite]

does tracers condition effect her aging?

[peak escarp]

no

[rare trail]

no

its means protector

[frosty gale]

Its a purposeful coincidence i bet.

[rare trail]

where is numbani?

[peak escarp]

Nigeria

Numbani seems to be a city-state, like Vatican City

[worthy rose]

Did Mercy make her wings herself?

[peak escarp]

she designed it with Torbjorn's help

[worthy rose]

Ok

But then why does Torbjorn ask for the airfoil ratio in a voiceline?

[peak escarp]

no idea

[sleek thunder]

Doom CONQUERS ALL FIST ON ✊🏾

[rare trail]

what are the knives on genjis legs for?

[sleek pebble]

Even Orisa?

[rare trail]

and winston

[sleek pebble]

wow

Doomfist is probably the most powerful tank in lore then

(not counting sigma)

[ivory garnet]

winston and orisa are stronger

[rare trail]

i misinterpreted what you meant i thought you were saying orisa was stronger than doom

but yeah doom is not the strongest tank

orisa winston are stronger

maybe ball

[ivory garnet]

i’d feel as if doom would crush his exoskeleton the same way he did to genji

ball’s robot is only made up of scraps

[rare trail]

i would think ball is made to be stronger than genji though

[sleek pebble]

yeah i think doom can punch ball

but idk ball is smarter

[rare trail]

ball is a hamster

hes not smarter than a human with above average intelligence

like hes smarter

probably smarter than the average person

[worthy rose]

Sure wasn't able to conquer a certain monkey 😉

[ivory garnet]

or a robot

[rare trail]

do you think rein could beat doom?

[worthy rose]

Nah

Doomfist is faster, more skilled, and has the strength to hurt Rein

I think the strongest Rein can beat is like Reaper maybe?

[rare trail]

reaper is probably stronger than doom

[ivory garnet]

reinhardt would die fighting doom

and reaper is arguably stronger than doom

[sleek pebble]

ah man

[ivory garnet]

reinhardt is way to slow to deal with reaper

we’ve legit seen him do flips

[sharp trench]

reinhardt could probably face down doom tbh

[wind portal]

reaper might be stronger physically but Doomfist is far stronger politically speaking

[limpid agate]

@wind portal Doomfist is also physically stronger

What makes Reaper potentially more powerful is his ability to negate that difference by turning into a mist

[rare trail]

assuming reaper doesnt do the reaper thing of being a cartoon villain i think he wins that fight

[limpid agate]

That's his biggest weakness is that he is a jobber

[warm locust]

Is Doomfist's Gauntlet breakable?

[rare trail]

yeah

[merry mason]

doomfist is also jobber though

[rare trail]

sometime this year

[edgy crag]

We haven't seen ramattra either

In lore I mean

Like, Orisa was made by modifying an or15 wasn't it

And null sector already had modified or 15s or 14s or whatever the null sector version were called

Not to mention that (unless bliz put for no reason a misleading conversation when we're about to get PvE) as seen in the wrecking ball ram banter in spawn, ramattra is an engineer too (I know they aren't canon but it also doesn't make sense to lie like that, no reason he couldn't be one )

So he's pretty smart too I'd say

[rare trail]

where is it shown that null sector has idinas?

[edgy crag]

The event in ow1 I believe

Also

The Orisa skin

[vocal marsh]

I think OR 15 because it’s in her name

But idk

[edgy crag]

I think or 15 is what Orisa is based on, but before the or 15 there were the or 14 that null sector had

[vocal marsh]

Yeah

[edgy crag]

Which the or 15 were based on

[rare trail]

in the hero of numbani book they confirm its or15

and i think its in her bio

and maybe origin

[vocal marsh]

Yeah

It’s easy to remember with OR15A

[rare trail]

"Built from parts of one of Numbani's short-lived OR15 defense robots, Orisa is the city's newest protector, though she still has much to learn."

yeah shes an or15

[warm locust]

Are null sector robots hackable?

[limpid agate]

Yeah

Sombra has hacked omnics before

Multiple times we've seen it

[warm locust]

Ok, thanks

Also, are they affected by electromagnetic pulses?

[edgy crag]

Yeah iirc

Guess what you deliver on kings row map

[warm locust]

Oh, yes

I'm sorry for my awful memory

[vale knoll]

What did sojourn do against Overwatch? Or is the “that’s for testifying against overwatch” a throwaway line

(In specific, ik what testifying means)

[peak escarp]

she testified against Overwatch during the UN hearings that led to the Petras Act

it means to give evidence in a trial

the dialogue from her origin trailer is part of that hearing

[clear heath]

Anyone know more about Orisa making doom retreat?

[rare trail]

read hero of numbani for details on the fight ig

[swift ridge]

Did mercy repair genjis dick

[dry trail]

reaper is 18

[rare trail]

!!shitposting @swift ridge

[twilit nacelle]

@swift ridge Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[rare trail]

no hes not

hes 58

[dry trail]

18 buddy

[rare trail]

when does anything canon ever say he is 18

[golden oak]

So I’m really confused with this pic
Can someone explain why Mercy and Cassidy barely aged while others aged a lot???

[peak escarp]

artistic interpretation

[echo cloud]

this might be a dumb question but whos the guy all the way crouched on the left?

[warm locust]

Same question as mine

[peak escarp]

we don't know yet

he hasn't been mentioned since this image

[warm locust]

All the way right is sojourn?

[golden oak]

Yea

[peak escarp]

everyone else in this image is a hero, so chances are he's going to be important eventually

[golden oak]

She has straight hair for some reason

[warm locust]

Maybe he could be the next hero

[peak escarp]

possibly

[warm locust]

It's a support one iirc

[peak escarp]

next two heroes are supports

[warm locust]

interesting

That's a lot of new supports

[golden oak]

Can’t wait to see what next broken mechanic they’ll introduce

[rare trail]

pharah is in the middle right?

[peak escarp]

the support role is currently the smallest

[rare trail]

or fareeha

[peak escarp]

correct

[golden oak]

She’s the little girl

[peak escarp]

she's 12

Mercy and Cassidy are 17

[rare trail]

how old is pharah now?

[peak escarp]

32

this image is from 20 years ago

[warm locust]

TRUE

But I'm sure it'll be cool

I liked the past 4 characters

In general

In lore, gameplay and everything

[rare trail]

i dont love sojourn lore

[peak escarp]

I probably won't play them, I just care about their lore

[golden oak]

Yeah sojourn lore is kinda bland imo

[peak escarp]

her novel was good

added some depth to her and Morrison

and more details on the omnic crisis

[warm locust]

I didn't say i LOVED all of them, but i liked it a bit

Overwatch characters in general pique my interest ig

[golden oak]

This kinda makes sense now
I thought they were like in their 20s

[ivory garnet]

she’s a human

cyborg, same as genji

[peak escarp]

it's nice to see a Canadian hero that embodies our multiculturalism

[golden oak]

Yeah i don’t really like the super soldier vibe
She’s basically a female version of soldier 76 kinda

[ivory garnet]

her and morrison show no similarities

[peak escarp]

you've got 4 American heroes and 3 of them are white

[ivory garnet]

would you say reaper and soldier are similar then?

[golden oak]

Reaper, Sombra?

That’s still America

[ivory garnet]

sombra wasnt born in america

[peak escarp]

Sombra isn't American

[golden oak]

Guess what continent Mexico is

[peak escarp]

American = USA

[ivory garnet]

sombra was born in mexico

she isnt american

[golden oak]

Even then, Mexico is still North America

[peak escarp]

nobody says American when they mean south/central America

[ivory garnet]

Mexico is central america

[golden oak]

But technically they are, aren’t they

[peak escarp]

American is the demonym for people from the United States

yes, technically they are, but that's not what I'm talking about

[golden oak]

Ashe

[ivory garnet]

ashe

[peak escarp]

Ashe

[wind portal]

when winston doesn't have a nationality

[golden oak]

Wdym hes from moon

[peak escarp]

he pays Swiss taxes

so maybe he has Swiss citizenship

[warm locust]

Wait, Winston is swedish?

What a revelation

[peak escarp]

...

[ivory garnet]

Switzerland is swiss

[warm locust]

im just kidding, dw

[peak escarp]

heroes that don't have a nationality are Bastion, Zenyatta, Echo and Ramattra

most of the robots

[golden oak]

Isn’t Shambali in like Nepal or something

[peak escarp]

he wasn't made there

[ivory garnet]

i’d say their nationality is where they were built

[warm locust]

Where did that came from?

[peak escarp]

Storm Rising voice lines

[golden oak]

But omnics live there right?

[warm locust]

Ohh

[ivory garnet]

nationality is where you were born

[peak escarp]

omnics and humans

[warm locust]

That's surely unexpected

How do they even tax a monkey?

[peak escarp]

nationality is wherever you have citizenship, either natural or acquired

[ivory garnet]

still counts as a citizen

he lives and takes up electricity there

[peak escarp]

he got paid by Overwatch

I assume

gotta pay taxes on military salary

speaking of robots

we only know where two of them were built

[rare trail]

winstons nationality is kinda just like moon bc thats where he was born right?

[warm locust]

That makes sense, still is surely funny to think about

[rare trail]

ig nationality can also be where you have citizenship/where you live

[golden oak]

Interesting how we got colosseo and esperanca maps in OW2, maybe foreshadowing new characters?

[peak escarp]

Orisa was built in Numbani
Ramattra was built in the omnium mentioned in his short story (which is most likely in Antarctica)

Esperança is for sure - the devs said a future hero is tied to The Collective

[warm locust]

Talking about Antarctica, what was the mission of the Ecopoint?

[ivory garnet]

weather pretty sure

[peak escarp]

the mission of Ecopoint Antarctica was to study weather anomalies

[golden oak]

Colosseo has like some gladiator fights going on, maybe future tank?

[peak escarp]

possibly

[warm locust]

Oh

[peak escarp]

at least that's what Mei was there for

she's a climatologist

[ivory garnet]

whats the collective?

[warm locust]

Quite an obvious answer really, don't know what i expected

[golden oak]

What was ramattra made for

[ivory garnet]

to lead omnics into battle

be a shepherd

[warm locust]

What went wrong in the Ecopoint?

[golden oak]

Oh so he was made by omnics?

[ivory garnet]

made in the same omniums every omnic was made from yes

[ivory garnet]

capsules malfunctioned most likely which made Mei’s friends die

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/The_Collective

[gilded lake]

beep?

[warm locust]

Fallout 4 stylish?

[ivory garnet]

the mother and child was shot right? her friends just froze to death

but yes, same type of capsules

[warm locust]

Yeah, in the start of the game the cryo pods break and everyone dies

[gilded lake]

bozo

[warm locust]

Malfunction really

Also, the children wasn't shot

[golden oak]

If you got brig and torb in ur team on esperanca there’s a voice line of them talking about some people from there

[warm locust]

What's Lumerico and does it have any real importance?

[peak escarp]

Claudio and Hector Martins

they're the founders of the Collective

[peak escarp]

Lumerico runs the power plants in Dorado, Mexico

according to Sombra, they're corrupt

[warm locust]

Oh, understood

[golden oak]

Is it true roadhog and Junkrat robbed a bank in dorado?

[peak escarp]

yes

[warm locust]

Any chance we'll see something from Lumerico and similarish stuff connected to other characters again in the future?

[golden oak]

That’s a long way from Australia

[peak escarp]

you can find Roadhog's canisters in the bank on the map

[golden oak]

That’s a nice Easter egg

[ivory garnet]

they had a string of robberies across the world

[peak escarp]

they went on a worldwide heist spree to gather treasure to get back into Junkertown with and blow up the Queen

https://youtu.be/_q0QGtk_AM0

[ivory garnet]

which failed, seeing the junkrat and roadhog cinematic

[peak escarp]

it's hilarious

[ruby mirage]

Gravity… gravity is a harness, my entire career has been devoted to this idea, to this moment, decades! If the unifying theories are correct, we will soon be able to harness the power of a black hole. WHAT IS THAT MELODY!? I will bring you a new understanding of the uni-VIOLENCE. THE UNIVERSE IS SINGING TO ME. I have harnessed the harness

[wind portal]

"I'VE GOT AN IDEA!"

[silent parrot]

what

[ember flame]

huh

[silent parrot]

🗿

[violet iron]

nice lore

[ember flame]

i never said such thing

[glass gale]

ME TOO

[ember flame]

silly goose

[past copper]

!!shitposting @foggy comet

[twilit nacelle]

@foggy comet Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[past copper]

!!shitposting @worthy rose

[twilit nacelle]

@safe lance Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[past copper]

You wanna lose access?

Keep trying

Then follow these wise words

Stupidity is not a right

Or what?

[ember flame]

woahh

[north walrus]

o shtt

[ember flame]

be nice

pls

[vocal marsh]

Ay Moira reference

[ember flame]

no more lore

[rare trail]

!!shitposting @foggy comet

[twilit nacelle]

@foggy comet Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[ivory garnet]

is it possible that Cassidy dawned an overwatch uniform before his blackwatch one?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[peak escarp]

iirc Cassidy was recruited directly into Blackwatch, he wasn't on any Overwatch strike teams before that

so it's unlikely he would have a blue uniform

[vocal marsh]

Reyes’s was…interesting

[peak escarp]

?

[limpid agate]

There was an era he was in Overwatch after Blackwatch was dissolved

[peak escarp]

they asked if he wore an Overwatch uniform before Blackwatch

[limpid agate]

Oh I misread

I thought they meant other than

No, it isnt possible, you're right

[peak escarp]

after Blackwatch disbanded, they seem to have ditched the blue uniforms

Uprising is the last time we see them

[vale knoll]

Muted 😹😹

[vocal marsh]

Didn’t Reyes have a blue uniform

The headpiece was atrocious

Or whatever it was on his head

[peak escarp]

no

Reyes didn't have a blue uniform

[vocal marsh]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/overwatch_gamepedia/images/b/bd/Overwatch_Soldiers.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150709025140

I can’t send the pic but

[peak escarp]

that's not Reyes

for one, Reyes isn't black

[vocal marsh]

Idk to me it looked like Reyes mb

[peak escarp]

a lot of people think it's him

[ivory garnet]

reyes never used an AR

[vocal marsh]

Either way it looked really bad though

[peak escarp]

one of the devs confirmed it wasn't, but I haven't been able to find the source

[vocal marsh]

I remember there was another art with the same member

[rare trail]

is doomfist talon skin canon?

[peak escarp]

yes

you can see it in the epilogue of Retribution

[rare trail]

so sigma has the only non canon talon skin?

[ivory garnet]

not shown, possible he does

[dense nacelle]

5 strongest tanks according to lore
1.Sigma
2.Doomfist
3.Winston
4.zarya
5.RoadHog

[worthy rose]

Winston beat Doom though

Winston's strength>Sigma's gravity

[limpid agate]

Thats not an accurate list

Winston is stronger than Doomfist

Orisa is also stronger than Doomfist.

[dense nacelle]

Yh u should be right

[limpid agate]

D.Va and Wrecking Ball are also stronger than Zarya and Roadhog.

[dense nacelle]

Y would u think so ?

[limpid agate]

We've seen her.

She was literally built to counter Doomfist

He cant do anything to her

She is also the single most physically durable character in the game

What.

[dense nacelle]

Hmmm but can she beat Zarya

[limpid agate]

Yes.

Zarya is just a human with a tank cannon.

A really strong human with a tank cannon.

But still just a human with a tank cannon.

Orisa is the tank.

And when I say tank, I mean like

A literal tank

[dense nacelle]

She ripped that hand cannon out of a huge omnic by herself I think she's stronger

[limpid agate]

Its not from an omnic

Its from a truck.

Its like someone carrying around the cannon from the back of a Warthog

[dense nacelle]

Ohk so how would u rank the list

[limpid agate]

Going by tanks alone

The strongest character is one of Sigma, Orisa, or Winston. We dont know which

Winston and Orisa are both explicitly stronger than Doomfist

D.Va and Hammond are piloting literal war machines.

So your only candidates for top 5 are:

• Sigma/Winston/Orisa contending for top 1
• Doomfist below both Winston and Orisa
• D.Va and Hammond below that

Then you get Zarya/Reinhardt/Roadhog

Junkerqueen has beaten mechs before, but not Wrecking Ball. And D.Va's is significantly more powerful than the kind she fights.

So where she places is weird

And Ramattra has no combat appearances

Or power appearances

He's just stood around

So if you want a firm top 5, I'd say

1-3. Winston, Orisa, Sigma
4. Doomfist
5. D.Va

That's looking at just tanks

If you add other roles to it, then Symmetra pushes D.Va out

Reaper is also a contender up there with Doomfist

[dense nacelle]

So ur tryna tell me Doomfist ain't all that

[limpid agate]

He isnt

He is strong

Most Overwatch characters are relatively weak when it comes to power scaling

Im still putting him above literal vehicle heroes like D.Va and Hammond

[dense nacelle]

Orisa Vs DVA
I think DVA would win

[limpid agate]

Hmmm

Most of Orisa's durability feats are to physical force rather than to fusion weapons

But she can also just lasso D.Va's mech and shield the missiles.

And D.Va's appearances havent dont much to make her mech look very impressive

[edgy crag]

Yeah it got fucked over by the gwishin omnics

[real basin]

Cant buy gold skin in overwatch 2 any fix?

[limpid agate]

Wrong channel

[sleek thunder]

Doom CONQUERS ALL FIST ON✊🏾

[warm locust]

Doomfist when monkey

[edgy crag]

You try beating a super smart armored gorilla with a jetpack while half naked

[warm locust]

JMWMSJWNDNENSWNWWBWNQ

But like

He didn't conquer all

That was my point

[viscid flame]

Doomfist nearly clutched a 1v3, took out Genji blade, beat a Tracer, and only finally lost to Primal Rage, all with no support

Who here has beaten a Genji blade and Tracer at once?

[viscid flame]

Its really bothered me ever since I noticed it, that D.Va's mech leaves her arms totally exposed, out in the open. Infact the whole design of the mech leaves both of her sides exposed

The Joysticks are on the outside of the mech too

WHY

That defeats the whole point of having a mech, like Reinhart always runs around with his helmet off and that's bad. But than you got the Korean mechs that basically paint a giant target on their pilots

[silent schooner]

Sigma IS number one, his altered and unpredictable state of mind coupled with his gravity manipulation makes him easily the strongest

Regarding Ramattra, do we know what discord does in lore?

[ivory garnet]

Doom and Winston were both arguably not fatigued at all. Genji and Tracer did 0 damage to Doom. When Winston and Doom fought it was on fair grounds. Winston beat Doomfist through and through

[ivory garnet]

Sigma has shown no feats, all speculation. Nothing of zen is canon either but voicelines imply he has healing orbs

[wet raven]

It really just buggers you up

[inland dew]

t

[rare trail]

maybe you meant zenyatta because discord is his ability and it isnt shown to be canon

[rare trail]

well his bio says he can control gravity somewhat

[silent schooner]

No, i’m certain that the orb in Ramattra’s staff is a discord orb, and the orb that hovers above him during his ultimate is also a discord orb

[rare trail]

when is that said?

[silent schooner]

It’s just an inference

Other people think it’s a discord orb too

[rare trail]

also discord orb isnt canon

[silent schooner]

what

[peak escarp]

it's not a discord orb

[rare trail]

so you think inside the staff is a discord orb even though that isnt stated anywhere? also discord isnt canon

[edgy crag]

The staff is called a void accelerator and is said to use nanites

Just like his ult

Basically ramattra has the power of NANOMACHINES SON

[rare trail]

where is that said?

[edgy crag]

https://youtu.be/UaW_ruhSAJg

[peak escarp]

the weapon names of all the heroes are listed on their bio pages

[rare trail]

i mean like where is it stated in lore that that is canon

[edgy crag]

We haven't seen anything in lore about ramattra regarding combat

[rare trail]

do we know how ram feels toward maximilean?

[edgy crag]

So until they deny it I'm choosing to take blizzard videos that have no reason to counter the lore rn as canon

[peak escarp]

it hasn't been mentioned

[rare trail]

so liek you assume gameplay abilities are canon?

[edgy crag]

Not always no

Some are some aren't

[vapid ermine]

Was Doomfist scared of prime ana?

[ivory garnet]

scared? not necessarily. worried? yeah

voicelines imply he is surprised of her work in the field

[rare trail]

wdym "prime"

like when she was in og overwatch?

[vapid ermine]

Yeah

[ivory garnet]

i would be too if I was a bad person going against the best sniper in the world

[shut trench]

she took out two guys in one shot from a long distance, guessing a guy with a metal fist would be worried about that yeah

if we're assuming voice lines are canon

[warm locust]

So

Is Doomfist head not protected?

[rare trail]

yes

best defense passive is canon though

i would assume his head has some cybernetics though

[warm locust]

oh

Interesting

[dawn topaz]

How did Moira (canonically weeb) react to genji?

[iron plume]

Moira having anime references in her design doesn't make her canonically a weeb

And she reacted the way she does with almost everything, with a mixture of scientific interest and disdain

[lunar stump]

I was serious

[iron plume]

If you meant what I think you meant, then it's not serious
nor is it allowed even if you are

If you didn't, phrase it better

[lunar stump]

I meant the balls she makes

[iron plume]

Anyway
On a personal level there wasn't much between her and Genji, he was distant from everyone on the Blackwatch team, just there to do the job

[lunar stump]

Anyways I think sigma i the strongest

[lucid sand]

Oh about moira

Her voiceline with widow makes me wonder if widow’s brainwash is wearing off

[rare trail]

coldest take imaginable

[rare trail]

which voiceline?

[lunar stump]

After mercy 😈😈😈

[lucid sand]

Something about an emotion

[warm locust]

I think the one where she asks "do i sense emotion in your voice, lacroix?"

And she says "never"

[lucid sand]

yes that one

[rare trail]

her emotions were never gone completely just suppressed

[errant minnow]

yo in one of the old animations is junkrat & roadhog talking about the Junker queen?

[rare trail]

in "the plan" yes they are

[peak escarp]

the first mentions of the Junkertown queen were in 2017 when the Junkertown map was added

and The Plan along with it

[rare trail]

when does jq cinematic take place?

[peak escarp]

~10 years ago supposedly

[rare trail]

have the like arena thing to declare the monarch been going on during that time?

[peak escarp]

yes

[rare trail]

So I’m confused about the arena thing is it like a 3v1? Bc it seemed like that octane cyborg guy and the yellow mech girl were on the same team with the king

[peak escarp]

it isn't really clear

[ivory garnet]

the fights stretch from any sort of battle i believe

[vital geode]

Is soldier confirmed lgbt

[rare trail]

Yea

In Bastet iirc

[vital geode]

Cool 👍

So theres two characters w confirmed sexualities?

[rare trail]

There’s more

Like reaper had a wife

Torb has kids

[vital geode]

Do we find out what happened to reapers wife?

[rare trail]

She’s alive but reaper isn’t in her life anymore

Widow was married to a man too

Ana as well

Depending on how you interpret voice lines genji and mercy are straight

So the people we know are
Straight: ana genji mercy reaper widow
Gay: tracer and soldier

I think no one else we know

[vital geode]

So no confirmed relationships between agents right? Just hinted?

[rare trail]

Genji and mercy are hinted

That’s all

[vital geode]

I think some ana rein voicelines hint it too

[rare trail]

Which ones?

Oh yeah and torb is straight I forgot that one

[vital geode]

Couldve sworn there was a voiceline where theyre like “still looking good” or smth

[surreal ermine]

Is ram and doom teaming up?

[rare trail]

Yea

Talon and null sector are working together

[peak escarp]

technically none of those heroes are confirmed to be "straight"

[rare trail]

Yea

[peak escarp]

they're just in straight relationships

[rare trail]

They could be bi or pan or whatever

[peak escarp]

the two gay/lesbian heroes were specifically confirmed to be gay/lesbian

[vital geode]

About tracer

How many times has her gf shown up in media?

[surreal ermine]

Who is her gf

[peak escarp]

she was introduced in Reflections (2016) and reappeared in London Calling (2020-2021)

[rare trail]

Emily is her name

Not connected to anything iirc

Just tracers gf

[vital geode]

Oh does soldier have a bf/husband or an ex??

[rare trail]

Ex

[surreal ermine]

He dose

[peak escarp]

his ex before the Crisis was Vincent

he's been single since then

[rare trail]

He pursued his work

[rare trail]

He was on the sigma male grind set no time for relationships

[vital geode]

Damn that long ago

[peak escarp]

30 years

he's married to his work

[vital geode]

Hung up over a 30 yr relationship? 😭

Well 30 yrs ago

[surreal ermine]

Didn't know it was 30 years

[peak escarp]

I guess Vincent is the one that got away

[limpid agate]

Yeah. That was part of the criticism of the reveal

[peak escarp]

it's not weird that Jack had a boyfriend
it's weird that he still carries A4 sized photos of his ex boyfriend from 30 years ago in the year 2070-whatever

dude could at least get wallet sized ones

[surreal ermine]

Where was everyone else when null sector rose ?

[peak escarp]

Null Sector rose in the last few years of Overwatch

[surreal ermine]

Yea that's odd

[peak escarp]

the King's Row Uprising was their first major attack

the Ramattra short story goes into detail about the founding years of Null Sector

it started around 10 years ago

I have a theory connecting the start of Null Sector with the data that Mei gathered

maybe even the cause of the polar storm that forced them into cryosleep

[vital geode]

When did mercy join ow?

Why does she look so young compared to say ana or soldier?

[limpid agate]

Mercy joined about 15 years ago

She looks young because she's 2 full decades years yonger than them

[vital geode]

Damn

[limpid agate]

For comparison, Ana was 30 when overwatch was founded 30 years prior

Mercy was in her early 20s when she joined around 15 years prior

[vital geode]

I see

How bout tracer?

[limpid agate]

7 years ago

Uprising was her first mission

[vital geode]

Why does reinhardt look so old compared to some of the ow members who i think are around his age? Like the pic of the ijc meet

Hes got full white hair n everything

[scenic yew]

Was widow trained by ana?

[peak escarp]

no

she was trained by Talon

[peak escarp]

that image was drawn before they had decided on everyone's ages

Reinhardt is the second oldest hero in the game, at 61 years old

[vital geode]

Ahh

Whos the oldest?

[peak escarp]

Sigma

[vital geode]

Lookin p good for a 62 yr old

Holy shit junk is in his 20s??

I thought he was in his 30s

[peak escarp]

radiation will do that to you

[vital geode]

Where do you find these ages btw?

[peak escarp]

they used to be listed on the bio pages

but they aren't anymore

[vital geode]

Ah man

[scenic yew]

Damn symetra young

[peak escarp]

they might get updated at some point, since there's a timeskip between OW1 and OW2

[vital geode]

Is that why some of the newer heroes dont jave their ages?

[peak escarp]

yes

they don't have official ages

neither do Echo and Soldier

[scenic yew]

Also why does everyone hate moira?

[ivory garnet]

soldier is speculated at 2 years younger than Reyes or 1 year, and Kiriko is speculated mid-late 20s

[peak escarp]

yes

we have guesses

[wind portal]

I'd suspect Kiriko will be in her early 20s

[peak escarp]

JQ is most likely in her 30s, Sojourn is probably late 50s

[ivory garnet]

mercy hates moira due to her expirements

[scenic yew]

I thought realer is pharas dad

[ivory garnet]

no

[scenic yew]

Reaper

Lol

[vital geode]

Pharahs dad is sam or smth right

[ivory garnet]

yes

[scenic yew]

I bet he hot

Is brigs mom alive?

[ivory garnet]

yes

all of her main family is (no info on grandparents)

[scenic yew]

They nerfed my queen nasty

[peak escarp]

Brigitte's mom's name is Ingrid

[scenic yew]

Holy daddys

Rein lookin fine

[vital geode]

Rein is basically like the “friend of parents that we call an uncle” right

[rare trail]

What’s the white cat on the couch named?

[ivory garnet]

godfather of Brig

[wind portal]

Rein's basically a god-father

[scenic yew]

OH DANN

[vital geode]

Ahh

[peak escarp]

Mitzi

[ivory garnet]

he named Brig after all

[scenic yew]

rein queen

Bring back stunn

Kinda made her weak now

Her god father n dad are beasts why they made her dirty now

[vital geode]

What happened to the crusaders? Did they just disappear after the omnic crisis ended?

[peak escarp]

they weren't needed after the crisis ended

so they probably retired

[ivory garnet]

Crusaders were only used during Omnic Crisis I believe

[vital geode]

What abt the korean bots? Forgot their name

[wind portal]

I think a few of them died or retired, I know some of them died during the reinhardt cinematic

[ivory garnet]

gwishin still attack

[vital geode]

Whatre they fighting??

[ivory garnet]

they attack Korea

and other areas nearby iirc

[vital geode]

Oh lmao i thought that was the name of the korean mechs haha

[ivory garnet]

those are MEKA

[wind portal]

It's cool Gwishin are Null Sector, explains their darker colors

[ivory garnet]

gwishin are different pretty sure

[wind portal]

I think they come from the same place though

[peak escarp]

Gwishin are not Null Sector

[ivory garnet]

no, gwishin come from the sea

[peak escarp]

the Gwishin come from an omnium in the ocean

[ivory garnet]

hence their sea-like appearance

[wind portal]

the hell are they doing in the ocean lmfao

[peak escarp]

Null Sector comes from an omnium in antarctica

[vital geode]

Why are the gwishin attacking anyway

[ivory garnet]

the colossus live in the ocean

[peak escarp]

because that's what they do? idk it's never explained why they attack

[wind portal]

I don't think a reason was ever specified

[vital geode]

Just for funsies

[wind portal]

but they're highly adaptable

[scenic yew]

When brig hits someone... for how much does she heal?

[peak escarp]

only that they've attack every few years since the crisis and every time they do, they adapt to whatever tech the Korean army sends against them

[ivory garnet]

they’re more advanced than Null Sector omnics i assume

[ivory garnet]

or drones as we’ve established

[wind portal]

they gwishin started attacking every week though recently as shown in the shooting star cinematic

[peak escarp]

MEKA used to be unmanned drones, until the gwishin learned how to take command of them - so the Korean army drafted esports pros and an F1 driver with fast reflexes to pilot the drones as mechs

[rare trail]

in lore the heal isnt canon and in gameplay one inspire proc gives you 15 healing per second for 5 seconds

[gilded lake]

Whats my lore?

[edgy crag]

Well rn we have the basic lore that we were a unit created to fight and hate humans but eventually we found our way to shambali

[gilded lake]

oh ok

waittttt

[edgy crag]

But due to seeing the omnics outside still being treated like shit we decided not to just stay away in the monastery and do something

[gilded lake]

a minute

heyyyyyy

[gilded lake]

oh ok ty

[rare trail]

you were built during the omnic crisis to lead omnics into war then the war ended you gained sentience joined shambali made friends with zenyatta left shambali founded null sector bc omnics arent treated well and now are doing a bit of terrorism and are ganged up with talon

[edgy crag]

And that doing something was creating null sector

Which then attacked kings row

But overwatch destroyed the null sector robots

But a lot of time after we made an alliance with talon

[rare trail]

kings row uprising happened and all of rams omnic null sector friends left or died

overwatch did stop the uprising though

[gilded lake]

oh so thats whats about when i killed zen and i heared im sorry brother

[rare trail]

yeah you and zen were friends

he probably doesnt like you anymore given the whole terrorist thing

[gilded lake]

:0 noooooooooooooooooooo

[edgy crag]

Idk I think it's like a relationship where both still like each other as beings but not the path the other is headed down

Like, their interactions are still fond

[viscid flame]

Junkrat has been a character that has disturbed me for a long time

In the overwatch heist trailer the police report says he is 6'5

He is the exact height of Jeremy Clarkson

https://youtu.be/JC9WsS5PIzk

[rare trail]

zen might not know about null sector

like that ram is the leader of it

[stuck pumice]

bro no way

[rare trail]

?

[ivory garnet]

Zen most likely knows about Null Sector

majority of the world does

[rare trail]

yeah i just mean like he doesnt know ram is involved

[viscid flame]

I could see a modification of his intro trailer happening in-universe, afterall he wants to free and unite Omnics. He may have not revealed himself in london, but he had an omnic leading the forces. The forces at his command are non-sentient drones, so someone has to be the face of the organization, him broadcasting that out on frequencies makes sense

[ivory garnet]

if you’re saying Ramattra isnt the leader of Null Sector, you’re wrong

[solid elm]

guys is hog actually married to mercy? y/n?

[peak escarp]

no

they've never met

[rare trail]

yeah it would make sense for him to have some sort of recruitment video

and it not featuring him would make sense too

[peak escarp]

why would he need a recruitment video?

his soldiers are all mass produced drones from his omnium

many omnics condemn Null Sector

they don't believe equality can be achieved through violence

[rare trail]

another sentient omnic could help

like be another commander or something

idk

[limpid agate]

Kace is presumably a member of Null Sector

[rare trail]

kace?

whos that?

[limpid agate]

The antagonist from Tracer's comic

London Calling

[worthy rose]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[gilded lake]

Does anyone main zen?

[past copper]

Wrong channel

[gilded lake]

No

[past copper]

Yes it is. This is for Lore only. Not gaming

[midnight oar]

why is tracker British

[worthy rose]

Tracker isn't British

Tracker is actually non-existent

[rare trail]

Wdym “why is tracer British” like bc she was born in the uk idk what to tell you

Why the choice was made was probably bc blizz probably anticipated that a lot of eu people would play the game and they wanted to show that the overwatch organization is global

[sharp trench]

who yall think would win in a fight rein or dva

[naive robin]

who is brig's dad

[peak escarp]

Torbjorn

[wind portal]

rein has more experience in the field, he also has more experience fighting tough as nails omnics so I'd assume he'd be able to handle D.va's mech since the gwishin are capable of outpacing them

[sharp trench]

probably, but dva could probably evade rein’s attacks for a while

but Rein’s shield will negate hers

[wind portal]

Rein's large shield means most if not all of d.va's attacks will be negated

[sharp trench]

all of d.va’s attacks would be negated

and if dva got cocky rein could probably take her down with a single good blow

[rare trail]

And dvas mech seems kinda fragile

It could probably go down in one good swing

Although self destruct might do wonders but Maybe hardlight can block that

[sharp trench]

yeah, if that glass shattered then dva probably dies with it

[sharp trench]

self destruct could be blocked by rein

shield destroyed and rein probably battered

but d.va would be 10x worse

[rare trail]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

blowing up her mech would take them both out of the fight

[rare trail]

Dva has a lot more mobility though

[sharp trench]

dva on foot is not escaping a charging rocket hammer armed man screaming “beer”

i doubt that unless she gets into a crevice or something

or hides

[peak escarp]

D.Va on foot isn't escaping the range of her mech self-destructing

[rare trail]

Do we know how strong reins shield is?

[sharp trench]

enough to sustain fire for a while

probably stronger too

[peak escarp]

sustained fire from several Bastions seemed to eat through it pretty quickly

[sharp trench]

since honor and glory

[sharp trench]

yeah but that was an entire battlegroup of bastions

[rare trail]

Yeah that is a ton of force though

[sharp trench]

thats a very high standard

[rare trail]

How can you store hardlight?

Just like in batteries?

[peak escarp]

we don't have much info on how hardlight works

[rare trail]

Because there has to be some way it shrinks so small to fit into reins arm thing

[sharp trench]

its not that small to be fair

but id have to guess batteries

[rare trail]

Yeah

I wonder how much sym can carry at a time

[sharp trench]

probably a shit load with her tech

[rare trail]

Probably a lot given they have had 60 years to develop batteries

[sharp trench]

rein and sym should team up

[rare trail]

Yeah that would be cool

[sharp trench]

2000 meter hammer

hammer down to the next level

[rare trail]

How many characters are all abilities canon?

[sharp trench]

rein

dva

[rare trail]

Ja

[sharp trench]

zarya?

[rare trail]

Jq

Kinda

[sharp trench]

does zarya bubble exist in OW lore

[rare trail]

Idk if ult is canon

[sharp trench]

no it is

[rare trail]

it is?

[sharp trench]

I think so

soldier

[rare trail]

Old bastion

Old cass

Genji

Old hanzo

[wind portal]

d.va's missiles and gunshots wouldn't have the same type of impact as those bastion models

[sharp trench]

yes but its not the same level of like 15 bastions all with rotary cannons firing on a single shield

[rare trail]

Symmetra

Tracer

Widow

[sharp trench]

is sym teleporter canon?

[peak escarp]

yes

[rare trail]

I thought it was

[wind portal]

pretty much anything sym is canon because of how her light constructs work

[rare trail]

Bap

[sharp trench]

is ana canon

[rare trail]

Not nano

[sharp trench]

with her anti nade or sleep datt

oh rifht

[rare trail]

Sleep is canon I thought

[sharp trench]

junkrat

probably

[rare trail]

Yeah riptide is a maybe

[peak escarp]

the tire itself has been seen, but we haven't seen him use it

[rare trail]

Was old orisa all canon?

[sharp trench]

tire is probably a “sort of”

[sharp trench]

idk if bongo was canon

or shield

[rare trail]

Winston is close

[peak escarp]

supercharger was

[rare trail]

Just alt fire

[peak escarp]

Lucio fixed it in the novel

[rare trail]

Does overwatch just not care about lucios movement it seems like they would like it

[sharp trench]

depends

[rare trail]

They might want to stay on good terms with vishkar

[sharp trench]

oh yeah definitely

or maybe they will take vishkar down

maybe vishkar helped arm or develop null sector or smth

probably talon

[peak escarp]

Sanjay Korpal is a Vishkar executive

he's also on the Talon council

it's unknown whether Vishkar is aware of his extracurriculars

[sharp trench]

yeah then Talon is most probably in Vishkar’s pocket

or vice versa

who wouldn’t want a group of elite PMCs to do your dirtywork

[rare trail]

Can Sanjay control hardlight?

Because I thought only specific people could

[sharp trench]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew how to

[rare trail]

Is it something you can like practice?

I thought it was like either you can or you can’t

[ivory garnet]

he seemingly joins overwatch in PvE

[vital geode]

What color are genjis eyes?

[ivory garnet]

red

but his new ones are mostly implanted

[grand wedge]

In dragons his eyes are light brown. But I think his Blackwatch skin has this red thing just because it looks cool on the design

Not because he got given new eyes

We can’t really know for sure… maybe we’ll know more with PVE and if we see him mask less.

[rare trail]

Well we know blackwatch skin is canon

I assume he can like switch them out

So like after zenyattas stuff and his style change to the base skin he probably changed his eyes to look more like his original ones

I wonder if he can change the green accents on his armor to like another color

[keen summit]

Probs, personal theory is that he might use hardlight to weaponize or something cuz then it would fit with what you have in the coucil

You hae moira, science. Reaper, overwatch hunt. Doom, the leader. Maximillian, finances so then sanjay could be in this theory the weapon production or just making things and providing tech

Ofcourse not confirmed

[rare trail]

Yeah I assume Sanjay provides talon with weapons or something

[ivory garnet]

probably, but it also sets up a dynamic with hanzo with the “Dragons” story that was being told

[pale turret]

She'd just rez herself

[pale turret]

Where does Sig fit into all this?

Science?

[rare trail]

why?

[rare trail]

rez isnt canon and shes dead she couldnt do anything

killing her in lore wouldnt affect anything in game blizz wouldnt delete all that work

!!shitposting @worthy rose

[twilit nacelle]

@trail urchin Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[keen summit]

not part of the talon council

[vague tundra]

What if ramattra joins then leaves after a few and try’s to get his omnic group stronger then talons then get talon to join it just a thought

[rare trail]

joins and leaves what? wdym after a few a few what? days months years? and then he tries to get talon to join null sector by making null sector more powerful but he already has their resources so why would he do that?

[vague tundra]

Years but he gains the knowledge of each member

[rare trail]

but like why not just stay the way he is with talon right now

[vague tundra]

Become more powerful

[rare trail]

he can ask any of the talon council what their opinion is on things

he can get more powerful with talons resources

[vague tundra]

Yea can’t wait for mercy to be the main villain

[rare trail]

?

[vague tundra]

Who is the main villain in this lore is it moria?

Or Doomfist

[rare trail]

ramattra/doomfist

theyre null sector and talon leaders

[vague tundra]

Ok

[pale turret]

This man just hating on Mercy

[idle spoke]

moira*

[gilded lake]

y u talking about me behind my back >:((

[hollow pewter]

kendoka genji or karasu tengu?

[gilded lake]

wtf did u just say?

[hollow pewter]

kendoka genji or karasu tengu

[gilded lake]

?

[hollow pewter]

my guy its a skin

[gilded lake]

oh

bru

[rare trail]

Not quite lore related but kendoka 200%

[golden oak]

Why are certain overwatch members numbered? And why their numbers change? Like rein has 08 on his old skin and 09 on his new skin

[peak escarp]

the numbers change to show that time has passed

[golden oak]

And torb had 03, 02, and 07

But do they mean anything?

[peak escarp]

as for why they're numbered, I believe that's the version of their weapons/armor

[golden oak]

Oh, I thought every member has their number

Makes sense now

[naive robin]

why did hanzo kill genji?

[rare trail]

he didnt

he tried to kill him bc he wouldnt straighten out

[naive robin]

wdym straigten out

[rare trail]

he was a playboy who didnt follow the gangs rules hanzo and the gangs elders wanted genji to be more proper and disciplined

[naive robin]

oh okay

[rare trail]

his bio is a good place to learn about this

they go in depth there

[naive robin]

okay thanks

[rare trail]

this isnt the place to talk about game balance

np

[warm locust]

Has the world Overwatch takes place in had problems with pollution?

[rare trail]

kinda

[warm locust]

It may as well just be a random question with no proper answer

But I'm curious

[rare trail]

australia has major radiation

[warm locust]

Oh, yes

[rare trail]

thats why hog and junk are kinda weird

[warm locust]

Which i didn't know until as of lately

Never came to think about it

[warm locust]

But pollution nothing?

[rare trail]

i dont think so

[warm locust]

Interesting

The cars are hover cars so maybe they operate in clean energy?

And we've seen a biig industry center thing (Volskaya) but maybe they have advanced enough filters?

[ivory garnet]

the world of overwatch has had our history from 2016 and below

so yes

[warm locust]

Ohhh

So I'm guessing technology evolved

And got rid of those problems

[ivory garnet]

we are in the 2070s

so yes

[low cipher]

this is probably completely irrelevant or just a vague question

but is there any significance of that fish thing whatever

mei has a cup of it

in the rise and shine animation

and the little girl from hero has a purse like that fish thing

[peak escarp]

it's a Murloc from WoW

[low cipher]

oh ok ty

just a reference ig lol since same company

[peak escarp]

World of Warcraft exists in the universe of Overwatch

[low cipher]

oh fr

[peak escarp]

as does every other Blizzard game except Overwatch

and maybe HotS?

[low cipher]

ok and to make things clear

how did the other cryo c hamber people die

and mei somehow was the one who lived

[peak escarp]

their chambers all failed one by one

they weren't designed to work for 9 years

it was just chance that Mei's was the last one still working

[pale turret]

Lorewise, you guys think we'll ever see Lynx 17 again?

Or will they be forgotten to time?

[peak escarp]

possibly

[pale turret]

Rad

[peak escarp]

I'd like to see them again

they're an interesting character

[pale turret]

Lil eared omnic dude

Could be Sombra's "nice" variant

[peak escarp]

they are mentioned in Zarya's bio, so there's hope

However, in the wake of an unsuccessful assassination plot against Katya Volskaya by Talon operatives, Zarya was given a new mission: bring the Talon-affiliated hacker, Sombra, to justice. In her global search, Zarya was forced to partner with an omnic named Lynx Seventeen. The unlikely duo located Sombra in Dorado, though she slipped through their fingers after revealing that Katya was obtaining her anti-omnic technology from an omnic source. Grappling with the weight of this knowledge—and with a newfound appreciation of omnics thanks to Lynx—Zarya returned to the front lines in Siberia.

[limpid agate]

Personally, I expect not

I think they were just straight up replaced by Nameless as a character design

[pale turret]

Weh

Don't make me sad :(

[wind portal]

Honestly I'm not surprised that their 'anti-omnic' technology comes from actual omnics lol

[low cipher]

I have a question, who infiltrated the lab Dr. Mina Liao was in?

[peak escarp]

we don't have details on that

[limpid agate]

Talon presumably

[low cipher]

Sorry im not too educated lore wise

[peak escarp]

yeah it was probably Talon

[light adder]

why is overwatch viewed as a terrorist organization

[pale turret]

Because of Blackwatch

Right?

[low cipher]

i think blackwatch'

ye maybe

nobody knew about it anyways i believe

and then since it was disbanded i think the members like moira and reaper joined talon

[peak escarp]

Blackwatch getting exposed to the public was the beginning of the end for Overwatch

[low cipher]

moira joined talon cause she wanted to continue her experiments right?

[peak escarp]

yes

they provided funding and subjects for her experiments

[limpid agate]

Theyre not

They're viewed as illegal

But not as terrorists

[low cipher]

it was just the amount of danger their missions were?

like the retribution event

[ivory garnet]

no, its because society started to not trust Overwatch when they found out Blackwatch did stuff illegally

[low cipher]

idk theirs so many organizations in overwatch like vishkar and lumerico

[vital geode]

Hello maybe a weird question but

Is there still racism in ow 😭

And not between omnics vs humans

[peak escarp]

probably?

they don't go into it because that's not what the story is about

[shadow parcel]

Also cause that might get the devs a lot of shit

[peak escarp]

also that

[vital geode]

Yea lol i was just thinking abt the fact that ow is made up of ppl from all over the world and how smth like that prob wouldnt work irl

[ivory garnet]

its not story relevant but human on human racism has probably died down a ton

[keen summit]

we havent seen anything with it so probs not

its supposed to show a better future

and the message is meant to be "anyone can be a hero"

most heroes do actually fit that, even some from talon

example: moira is a hero to science, she does bad stuff for progress making her advancements further than anyone else, making her both work to a "better future" and also being a hero to science

very few dont fit it, example of who doesnt is reaper who legit just is mad

and sadly cant bash kiriko for it cuz yes she fits it too

and if you have any others that dont fit tell me

[summer tulip]

Ball probably

Like he just exists and doesnt really do anything if im right

[keen summit]

yeah but he is considered a hero to junkertown as hes champ there

[half wraith]

What abt junk rat and road hog their criminals

[keen summit]

Hog fought for what he believed was good for the outback, no omnics

Junk

Yeah he exists

But i feel he might have sum more in store

[foggy moss]

What about the monkyes lore

who is he

[low cipher]

he came from the same lab in space

as ball*

[foggy moss]

cool

[rare trail]

genetically engineered

so hes stronger and will live longer than a regular gorilla

[worthy rose]

Also way smarter than anyone

[rare trail]

yeah

winston is smart

[worthy rose]

His iq allowed him to outsmart and beat the noggin out of the Reaper

[rare trail]

reaper is just a cartoon villain who monologued too long against winston

he just got lucky imo

[bold oar]

Reaper step on monke glasses Monke get mad

[rare trail]

fr

[bold oar]

Monke go BRRRRR

So are wintons glasses prescription or just an accessory