also im confused on how sigma couldve helped him given he was in jail or with talon after the experiment
#lore-discussion
rare trail
slow nymph
I don't mean god like literally like zues but more like a being of sheer power that is clearly overwhelming
rare trail
his passive is kinda confusing
like is it like lucio but only when on low health/has no cooldowns
and status effects are 50% weaker?
like anti nade only gets rid of half healing or?
slow nymph
also im confused on how sigma couldve helped him given he was in jail or with ta...
So sombra would kinda find him just lost or something somewhere find out he's some universe freak like sigma and get Sigma to help him with out the rest finding out they would find out eventually but thats another topic
slow nymph
and status effects are 50% weaker?
So like sleep is 3 seconds since sleep is 6 seconds long it would be cut in half
slow nymph
He is more of a support type healer then main healer so kinda like Lucio or Moira but to make up his primary fire does alot of healing maybe similar to bap but little less
rare trail
it depends on fire rate and the amount of healing
i just didnt read that right he does a good amount of healing
sounds interesting
and would give us more sigma lor
slow nymph
Yee
I didn't want him to be generic or busted like kiriko or jq
I kinda wanted to mix a bit of ram zen and sigma into a character while giving it a unique spin on things
And fire in overwatch is by far the most unique thing I could think since normally fire wouldn't work it would be either to strong or too weak
Thanks
rose fiber
hey does anyone have an explanation of Blackwatch(this is a noob when it comes to overwatch lore lmao)
rare trail
hey does anyone have an explanation of Blackwatch(this is a noob when it comes t...
black ops thing of overwatch made to take down talon
notable members are
cassidy
reaper
genji
moira
gerard(widows husband)
slow nymph
But then blackwatch became talon
Which I should update on my lore for him I said blackwatch instead of talon
rose fiber
ok who tf is gerard
warm locust
How did blackwatch members come to be Talon
slow nymph
The main talon characters now are doom reaper Moira sigma sombra
rare trail
But then blackwatch became talon
no
slow nymph
Not all of them
rare trail
ok who tf is gerard
widowmakers husband
slow nymph
But some did turn to talon
rare trail
How did blackwatch members come to be Talon
moira is there bc they let her do her experiments and reaper is there bc moira is there
rose fiber
widowmakers husband
thnxs
warm locust
moira is there bc they let her do her experiments and reaper is there bc moira i...
What is the relation between the two?
slow nymph
Also reaper kinda left because of soldier
warm locust
I know little in regards to that
rare trail
What is the relation between the two?
shes the reason hes a wraith
slow nymph
That too
warm locust
So he hates her?
slow nymph
Yes and no if I remember
rare trail
So he hates her?
its complicated
slow nymph
Isn't Jack Morrison reaper
rare trail
dead
slow nymph
Ok ok yee
I remember because both ana and jack went missing
And both were assumed dead
ivory garnet
yes
ivory garnet
Also reaper kinda left because of soldier
they left eachother
ivory garnet
Reaper blames Jack and Overwatch for what he has become, whilst Jack blames Cassidy nd Genji for the fall of overwatch
because Reyes is a criminal
ivory garnet
the time Soldier “found” Reyes, he almost died until Ana saved him
warm locust
The Meka team was formed to fight omnics, right?
peak escarp
to fight the Gwishin, specifically
MEKA was originally a drone force, but the Gwishin intercepted their signal and took control of them, so the drones were replaced by mechs with human pilots
rare trail
can sombra hack dvas mech?
frosty gale
can sombra hack dvas mech?
Cannonly? We dont know. Probably yes.
There hasnt been a situation where dva and sombra have been fighting each other
worthy rose
How does tactical visor work
ivory garnet
same way it works in game
dusty sapphire
How does tactical visor work
autoaim
worthy rose
same way it works in game
So the visor controls Soldier's arms
ivory garnet
it locks onto enemy guns or heads to disable them
ivory garnet
yes
peak escarp
he's just that good
ivory garnet
i’d hope he is, having been a soldier for years and being enhanced
vapid tusk
is symmetra autistic?
ivory garnet
yes
keen summit
is symmetra autistic?
pretty sure its now confirmed, at first was only heavily, HEAVILY implied
peak escarp
it's been confirmed since 2016
keen summit
yeah
keen summit
it's been confirmed since 2016
yeah wasnt sure if it was outright said
cuz i remember people theorizing and it being very likely but not said
peak escarp
keen summit
ah yeah
obsidian bay
Torb = god
dreamy epoch
soldier is just that guy
keen summit
very clear
worthy rose
If Soldier can be considered the Overwatch universe's Batman, would that make Reaper his Joker?
ivory garnet
i’d say deathstroke, not joker
rare trail
so far gay rep is soldier and tracer and autistic rep is symmetra right?
ivory garnet
mhm
edgy crag
Symmetra
One of our most beloved heroes
rare trail
are turrets and tele canon?
wind portal
If Soldier can be considered the Overwatch universe's Batman, would that make Re...
I would consider Winston as Batman tbh
ivory garnet
winston is superman
twilit patrol
Winton
edgy crag
Wait canonically ramattra has none of his abilities? Or do we just not know if he does?
peak escarp
we haven't seen him use any of them in the lore yet
rare trail
he has a staff but we dont know if it does anything
peak escarp
but he has only appeared twice and didn't fight either time
edgy crag
Huh ok
vapid ledge
Probably nanites related im assuming
Wasnt it stated not every gameplay ability is in the lore? Like mercy being able to revive ppl from the dead
ivory garnet
baffles me
ivory garnet
subject was abt genji “dying” by hanzo
rare trail
saying its impossible to survive being cut in half when theres a talking monkey and a robot ninja with a dragon spirit
ivory garnet
wasnt even cut in half
rare trail
i think its weird blackwatch gave him toes
ivory garnet
lol
ivory garnet
came to the assumption that Cassidy packs a mean right hook as a normal human being
ivory garnet
definitely the brawl type
he absolutely smashed the Talon soldier’s head in the retribution cutscene
ivory garnet
it shows him giving a soldier a mean right hook, the soldier was wearing their protective helmet
rare trail
ok ty
bold oar
"I couldve rebuilt you without all that metal "
rare trail
"I couldve rebuilt you *without* all that **metal** "
?
bold oar
moira line to genji
bold oar
im just saying moira tells genji she couldve reamalgamated him without the metal
and he tells her that wouldve made him another one of her monsters
rare trail
genji would be worse off if moira helped him imo
peak escarp
Moira probably would have used skin grafts and "donated" limbs
bold oar
Yeah im not sure what she did to reyes but
😬
Sigmas lore enthralls me honestly
i should look into it more
bold oar
the reddit seems to come up with a lot more from somewhere
rare trail
theyre wrong a lot though
rare trail
lore warlord posted a screenshot of the reddit where someone was really misinformed about reaper a while ago
peak escarp
Sigma does have a sort of cameo in Code of Violence
bold oar
one thread i was reading started talking about which characters would actually be most devastating
and they kept coming back to sigma
rare trail
jsut like a power tier list basically?
bold oar
I guess so, it was a bit ago now but like, irl if they were to go off the deep end
sigma being able to manipulate gravity and black holes
rare trail
i can imagine orisa just laying waste to a city
bold oar
i see
ivory garnet
just manipulates the gravity around him
ivory garnet
doubt we’ll get anything more of him till the end of the story
bold oar
end of the story?
ivory garnet
theres not a big role he plays
bold oar
is there a book ongoing i am missing out on??
ivory garnet
no
bold oar
Oh
limpid agate
They mean the upcoming campaign
rare trail
once they use sigma for whatever theyre gonna use him for
limpid agate
Which starts later this year
ivory garnet
all i can see Sigma being used for is a trump card
bold oar
poor beebee
ivory garnet
doubt we’ll be getting anything of sigma for the starting arc of PvE
we know we’ll be getting hints of Talon though, so who knows
ivory garnet
might be a possible lore skin, but I dont think so
peak escarp
can't tell based on that description
ivory garnet
it’d be nice if it was to be a skin that correlates to lore
doubt it is though, its probably just the mythic
wind portal
might be a possible lore skin, but I dont think so
Blackwatch Genji was already the best lore skin in OW1 so-
ivory garnet
imo its Dusk Reaper
wind portal
most Genji skins are the best skins anyway
ivory garnet
genji is better with simple skins
wind portal
Oni Genji
ivory garnet
simple skin, but overrated imo
past copper
Well, he sounds confident the community will be excited for the skin
rare trail
maybe sigma something
past copper
Honestly, my best guess is it’s for Sojourn since she’s kinda the new face for OW2
rare trail
if ramattra gets killed i want a like destroyed skin for him
past copper
I doubt they’ll do that
rare trail
kinda like this from battlefront
they probably wont kill ramattra
but a damaged skin would be cool anyway
past copper
They’ve already got a damaged skin as far as they’re willing to go
past copper
And that’s the Primordial skin
Sojourn is a higher possibility since she hasn’t gotten a new skin since the start of season 1
rare trail
yeah
past copper
While Queen, Kiriko, and Ram have gotten new skins
past copper
Honestly doubt Sanjay has any chance of being a hero
ivory garnet
our next hero isnt until season 4
past copper
He just doesn’t look like a combatant to me
rare trail
i think its cool how a lore guy on youtube made a video about likely future overwatch heroes and so far he has been right
like jq ram kiriko and sojourn were all on his lsit
rare trail
our next hero isnt until season 4
none for s3?
past copper
That’s bc outta the four of them we knew they were going to be heroes
ivory garnet
if Aaron is talking abt mythic, it’ll be Lucio or Bap. Mercy is blizzard continues their bias
ivory garnet
none for s3?
we only get a new map
peak escarp
like jq ram kiriko and sojourn were all on his lsit
well they were all pretty prominent characters in the lore, or were strongly hinted at ahead of time
ivory garnet
it’ll support lore possibly tho so Im not complaining
peak escarp
it's not hard to guess that they'd become heroes
ivory garnet
our next support will be someone new I believe
peak escarp
but we've run out of strong contenders for heroes, so the next few will be surprises
past copper
Kiriko more or less was outta left field. But the other 3 were hinted at back in OW1
rare trail
mauga is likely
peak escarp
he'll be a tank though
ivory garnet
yes
rare trail
he uploaded the video 7 months ago if that matters
past copper
They do, but seem to be having a tough time giving him a unique kit to his character
peak escarp
next two are supports
past copper
I’d imagine that is the hardest part to making a hero. Fitting them in the lore and designing their own unique abilities
rare trail
is kiriko the leader of the yokai?
peak escarp
someone from The Collective is likely
ivory garnet
do we know who the guy in the bottom left is
peak escarp
nope
rare trail
reminds me of zarya
peak escarp
how?
past copper
What would be interesting is to get a new Talon hero. A new Talon support
ivory garnet
What would be interesting is to get a new Talon hero. A new Talon support
that’d be interesting
rare trail
idk similar haircut and kinda similar face
peak escarp
I want Sanjay as a hardlight support
rare trail
maximilean has a really cool design but he prob wont get added
ivory garnet
i personally want Sanjay as a story character, not playable one
peak escarp
he can have the healing turrets everyone wants Symmetra to have
past copper
Players could actually have a complete Talon team if they just got 1 more support
ivory garnet
do we know who the guy in the bottom left is
anyways, possible dps or support, most likely dps
peak escarp
one more omnic support and we can have a full omnic team
rare trail
technically you can have talon team with baptiste depending on what time talon you're talking about
ivory garnet
all time talon team yeah
past copper
I actually think it’ll be a while before we ever see another omnic hero
Ram did just drop after all
ivory garnet
i dont think so
peak escarp
so?
ivory garnet
null sector/omnics are the primary subject rn
peak escarp
we've had heroes from the same faction back to back before
rare trail
one more omnic support and we can have a full omnic team
who are the damages?
bastion and?
ivory garnet
silly
rare trail
genji sojourn and echo all kinda half count
ivory garnet
how
peak escarp
for some reason I was thinking of Orisa as dps
past copper
You could just call them the Machine Team
peak escarp
cyborgs are not omnics/part robot
ivory garnet
not omnic
rare trail
close though
ivory garnet
past copper
Not even close
rare trail
ashe could fill it out
rare trail
Not even close
robot
rare trail
half robot is closer to robot than like hanzo
past copper
No. It’s not. That’s a cyborg. Very different
rare trail
so ram/orisa for tank although orisa is only kinda an omnic because efi designed so shes not really from an omnium
rare trail
No. It’s not. That’s a cyborg. Very different
a cyborg is closer to omnic than hanzo
ivory garnet
Orisa is still an omnic
rare trail
like sojourn gets mistaken for an omnic by some sensors right?
past copper
What does Hanzo have to do with anything? He’s not a machine or cyborg
rare trail
Orisa is still an omnic
efis modifications dont change that?
rare trail
What does Hanzo have to do with anything? He’s not a machine or cyborg
hanzo is just a base for far away from omnic
ivory garnet
branded as an omnic
her name is quite literally Or-15 if u switch the numbets
numbers
you’d just be missing the a
rare trail
Orisa was still built in an omnium
not really though or-15s are from omniums she is a frankensteins monster of a couple or-15s i think shes different
like orisa isnt really from an omnium shes from efis workshop in my eyes
past copper
Cyborgs are not even close to omnics. Cyborgs eat, omnics don’t. Cyborgs breath, omnics don’t. Cyborgs have blood and organs, omnics don’t. Nothing alike
rare trail
Cyborgs are not even close to omnics. Cyborgs eat, omnics don’t. Cyborgs breath,...
cyborgs are pretty close sojourn gets mistaken for an omnic in her novel
ivory garnet
her body is 90% metal
past copper
That doesn’t mean anything. That’s just someone not knowing someone else
ivory garnet
Omnics are a brand of machine/robot built in an Omnium
rare trail
so like a robot thats from a different brand would be pretty close to an omnic right?
ivory garnet
only similarity is they’d both have machinery
rare trail
like they could have the same exact blueprints as an omnic but just be built somewhere else
thats close to an omnic
ivory garnet
you could say they are siblings, but with a different mom
past copper
And just bc they have machinery doesn’t mean they’re brothers in arms or anything
rare trail
you could say they are siblings, but with a different mom
so theyre pretty close
rare trail
theyre close though
ivory garnet
doesnt matter if they’re close, still a whole different race
ivory garnet
where do y’all think the new map will be at
rare trail
so in an all omnic team given we dont have 2 omnic damages sojourn or genji is the closest substitute
rare trail
where do y’all think the new map will be at
i think it could be cool for it to be talon related
like their headquarters or something
ivory garnet
so in an all omnic team given we dont have 2 omnic damages sojourn or genji is t...
ashe is
rare trail
bob is an omnic but like ashe isnt
ivory garnet
genji and sojourn arent either
rare trail
i think theyre still pretty good substitutes i mean ashe is better but they arent bad
ivory garnet
cyborgs and robots are 2 entirely different beings
rare trail
cyborgs and robots are 2 entirely different beings
theyre pretty close though
past copper
Just bc they have machinery? Saying cyborgs and robots are the same actually sounds kinda racist
Bc if you met someone right now with machinery prosthetics, would you call them a machine? No. You wouldn’t
past copper
India is going to be a story map and Gothenburg looks like an escort map
So more than likely the latter
ivory garnet
Gothenburg is also a story map
past copper
Yes. But it’s obviously an escort of sorts
ivory garnet
it would be a hero mission then
rare trail
Just bc they have machinery? Saying cyborgs and robots are the same actually sou...
i never said they were the same theyre just close
ivory garnet
Story Missions arent goingto have escort pretty sure
past copper
i never said they were the same theyre just close
Calling them close is close to to calling them the same
rare trail
Bc if you met someone right now with machinery prosthetics, would you call them ...
like someone with machinery prosthetics is closer to something made out of complete machinery than a person without those prosthetics
rare trail
Calling them close is close to to calling them the same
but its not the same thign
past copper
There’s many reasons that explain how cyborgs and robots are completely different look it up
rare trail
they arent completely different
past copper
The biggest being that cyborgs still age and grow and die whereas robots don’t
rare trail
theyre similar
rare trail
like someone who has a robot arm is closer to a robot than someone without a robot arm
no one is saying theyre the same
theyre just similar
past copper
No they’re not. The fine line is that they’re not the same or similar. Get over it already
rare trail
they are similar
limpid agate
How
rare trail
genji who has robot legs a robot arm and robot eyes is similar to a robot
ivory garnet
Cyborg (DC) and Ultron (Marvel) are not the same
limpid agate
He doesnt have robot legs and a robot arm and robot eyes
I dont think you know what a robot is
past copper
Calling a cyborg and robot similar is like calling two different races similar
rare trail
He doesnt have robot legs and a robot arm and robot eyes
people say robot just to mean mechanical all the time
limpid agate
Uh huh
rare trail
Calling a cyborg and robot similar is like calling two different races similar
well like races can be similar too
ivory garnet
genji’s legs are prosthetics pretty sure
past copper
well like races can be similar too
Give it up. Nobody is with you in this argument
chrome sky
Calling a cyborg and robot similar is like calling two different races similar
Species would be a better word
rare trail
Give it up. Nobody is with you in this argument
im not gonna agree with you just because you disagree
limpid agate
Your premise is wrong from the start
merry mason
just because you have robots parts doesn't make you a robot
limpid agate
You are saying robot to mean not robot
rare trail
genji’s legs are prosthetics pretty sure
i mean they have to have some sort of electronics in them
rare trail
You are saying robot to mean not robot
people say robot to just mean mechanical all the time
limpid agate
You said that already
Saying it twice doesn't make it more correct
Its still just as incorrect
past copper
And humans are naturally born with electricity in their bodies. It’s what operates our nerves
rare trail
it is correct people say robot arm to mean just like a prosthetic mechanical arm
rare trail
im aware
limpid agate
You are saying this is a robot
merry mason
if you were white and got a transplant from a black organ donor you wouldn't suddenly be black
rare trail
if you were white and got a transplant from a black organ donor you wouldn't sud...
im not saying cyborgs are robots
limpid agate
You're saying they're similar
rare trail
theyre just similar
rare trail
similar is a subjective term anyway theres no objective right and wrong here
rare trail
this is a real Theseus's ship situation
in what way?
past copper
The main difference between cyborgs and robots is the presence of life
limpid agate
Thats not the same
past copper
Humans age and grow and die and require things robots don’t. Robots on the other hand don’t suffer from any these weaknesses
wind portal
similar is a subjective term anyway theres no objective right and wrong here
Cyborgs are still human, robots are not human.
rare trail
Cyborgs are still human, robots are not human.
yeah
wind portal
literally the biggest difference between them, they're not similar
limpid agate
Cyborgs are about as similar to robots as they are to barbie dolls
merry mason
in what way?
what makes someone robot or human? does replacing human parts with robot parts make you more of a robot? if so how many robot parts does it take to be more robot than human
that the question you ask here
past copper
By your logic, just bc Genji is a cyborg, Ram wouldn’t kill him but instead see him as a brother
rare trail
no???
rare trail
By your logic, just bc Genji is a cyborg, Ram wouldn’t kill him but instead see ...
i never said that
ivory garnet
lets just move on
merry mason
NO
ivory garnet
this isnt getting anywhere, its best if we do
rare trail
what makes someone robot or human? does replacing human parts with robot parts m...
i think replacing human parts with robot parts makes you more robot to be more robot than human doesnt really happen unless you replace your brain imo
like i would consider just a human brain being kept alive by robotic parts to be human
past copper
i never said that
You’ve been saying that the entire time! Calling them similar! They’re not! At this point, the fine line you’re looking for is an android
rare trail
You’ve been saying that the entire time! Calling them similar! They’re not! At t...
calling them similar isnt saying that ramattra would see them as the same
ivory garnet
The androids from dragonball arent cyborgs, so yes tgey are different
rare trail
yeah cyborgs robots and androids are different
ivory garnet
androids are closer to robots than a cyborg is though
so you might be thinking of those
rare trail
yeah
stone flame
I feel Overwatch isn't about robots as it is about "Omnics". Robots still exist in OW, and they are different to Omnics.
rare trail
theyre also similar
rare trail
I feel Overwatch isn't about robots as it is about "Omnics". Robots still exist ...
yeah i agree
ivory garnet
I feel Overwatch isn't about robots as it is about "Omnics". Robots still exist ...
Omnics are a brand of robot
stone flame
Omnics were a one and done creation. Meanwhile Torb turret isn't demanding workman's comp.
rare trail
i feel like there should be a different word for sentient omnics and regular omnics
stone flame
Similar to how humans have organic parts that can be seen as analogous to plants and most animals, they are not merely instinctual critters. There is more to humans.
Omnics are not merely robots, there is more to them.
peak escarp
i feel like there should be a different word for sentient omnics and regular omn...
all omnics are sentient
rare trail
all omnics are sentient
all? there were no omniums that ran after aurora ascended?
stone flame
i feel like there should be a different word for sentient omnics and regular omn...
Sentient Omnics and robots.
ivory garnet
all? there were no omniums that ran after aurora ascended?
omniums are still active, some atleast
peak escarp
they haven't really clarified that
stone flame
all? there were no omniums that ran after aurora ascended?
According to Ram, there are no more omniums, the only thing that created Omnics.
ivory garnet
there are
peak escarp
Ramattra has an omnium
rare trail
According to Ram, there are no more omniums, the only thing that created Omnics.
no they just cant create sentient omnics
peak escarp
that he makes drones in
ivory garnet
Omnics are born sentient pretty sure, not 100% tho
stone flame
Oh okay. That makes more sense for OW2
rare trail
Omnics are born sentient pretty sure, not 100% tho
doesnt ramattra create omnics that arent sentient?
like i thought everything standing behind him here were made at an omnium but not sentient
ivory garnet
i dont see how that would be possible to create a firewall to defend against Aurora
rare trail
well like aurora already ascended
peak escarp
I hesitated again.
“No,” I said at last. Beside me, Lanet struck the table with her fist.
“Ramattra, these robots are mindless drones. They’re outdated! They’re—”
“Expendable,” I finished. “And you are not. Our people are not.”```I'm guessing that's what Null Sector has to be, drones. Otherwise OW2's story may have some ludo narrative dissonance.
rare trail
and his people wouldnt be finite if they could just build more and make them sentient
ivory garnet
```“You know we’re right,” they said. “We built the resistance there together. L...
so they’re mindless soldiers
peak escarp
Ramattra doesn't consider them omnics
rare trail
so ram only considers sentient omnics to be omnics?
not just something created at an omnium?
peak escarp
so I suppose "omnic" should mean "sentient robot built in an omnium"
rare trail
yeah
peak escarp
a non-sentient robot built in an omnium is just a drone
stone flame
Basically, Ram is leading an army of omnic monkeys.
rare trail
they arent really omnics though
stone flame
Robo winton
rare trail
im going to go with ramattras definition of omnic when i use that word
rare trail
Robo winton
winton isnt a monkey 🤓
ivory garnet
monkey’s are pretty smart, wouldnt compare them to a drone
rare trail
it depends on what "smart" is
stone flame
You need to meet more monkeys
rare trail
like robots can do complex equations very fast
but they dont really learn like monkeys do
stone flame
We and I can't compare Humans and Omnics to monkeys and robots, but it's a close analogy
ivory garnet
i’d compare the drones to dogs
stone flame
Omnics are a new form of life.
Different to humans or most other multicellular life.
ivory garnet
a non-sentient robot built in an omnium is just a drone
what location would u want the new map to be at
peak escarp
the Atlantic Arcology
stone flame
Just like how humans aren't monkeys, but people like to make a comparison for disparaging reasons, Omnics aren't robots except to those trying to reduce them.
peak escarp
or in the Antarctic Omnium
ivory garnet
gwishin colossus
hoping its Gothenburg
just because it’d be cool to see a titan class omnic in the background
peak escarp
I don't think that omnic will be there in the PvP map
ivory garnet
i feel it’d be nice setting up for the PvE in a way though
and that could be the start of having details in the background
like mass details
although I dont think the giant ship should be there
merry mason
I'd like a map on a plane or something
ivory garnet
feel as if it’d be too small
light adder
is junker queen a bad person
ivory garnet
the Omnium would be the best bet for a map
light adder
or is she good
ivory garnet
Junkers are in the gray area besides Junkrat and Roadhog
light adder
so neutral
ivory garnet
Junkrat and Roadhog arent evil to the main cast, but they are to the world
ivory garnet
so neutral
yeah, they have no place in good or evil compared to overwatch, talon, null sector
wind portal
Junkrat and Roadhog arent evil to the main cast, but they are to the world
Roadhog seems a lot more evil than Junkrat does from an 'evil' perspective
wind portal
Junkrat is the best comic relief though
ivory garnet
very true
wind portal
Roadhog is the fucker you don't want to mess with
light adder
is junkrat like team rocket
ivory garnet
i’d compare them to insects
wind portal
Nah Junkrat actually does shit successfully for the most part
ivory garnet
besides from getting back into Junkertown
wind portal
tbf you could probably contribute most of their success to Roadhog
who seems to be doing most of the heavy-lifting
light adder
is roadhog ever shown without a mask
ivory garnet
nope
same with reaper without his mask (post swiss explosion)
closest glimpse we have
limpid agate
This also isnt a fan fiction channel
peak escarp
this isn't the place to post hero concepts
ivory garnet
honestly surprised that message wasnt immediately deleted for spam
peak escarp
your lore didn't fit the game either
ivory garnet
The main talon characters now are doom reaper Moira sigma sombra
main talon characters are Moira, Doom, Reaper. Lesser are Widow, Sombra, Sigma
light adder
what does sigma do in talon
ivory garnet
and Sanjay and Maximillien (characters who arent playable but main talon)
rare trail
what does sigma do in talon
like experiments or something
slow nymph
your lore didn't fit the game either
i didnt mean to put blackwatch meant to put talon lol
light adder
what does sigma use his powers for
ivory garnet
no idea
we dont know of his abilities in lore besides that he can manipulate the gravity around him
light adder
oh alr
rare trail
do we know if sigma can control the gravity?
like is there anything saying its not just random?
rare trail
so it could just be like random chaos around him
ivory garnet
maybe, but I’d expect he can control it
rare trail
yea me too
peak escarp
When Talon discovered De Kuiper's existence, they sent Reaper, Sombra, and ultimately, Widowmaker, to infiltrate the facility and break him out, planning to use his brilliance and research to further their plans. In their custody, De Kuiper slowly gained control of his powers. Now, gravity moved according to his will, and he was closer than ever to achieving his life's goal. But the same experiment that had opened his mind had also fractured it, and he struggled to keep the pieces together.
he does have some control over it
at least enough that there isn't chaos around him
light adder
we are in the dark for sigma
so besides ramattra sigma is the most unknown hero
rare trail
wait whats that from?
ivory garnet
thats what I’d expect yeah, makes the story telling easier + easier for talon
peak escarp
from his official bio
rare trail
i didnt know he was in a story?
ivory garnet
so besides ramattra sigma is the most unknown hero
yes
rare trail
oh ty
rare trail
Brilliant astrophysicist Dr. Siebren de Kuiper's life changed forever when an experiment gone wrong gave him the ability to control gravity; now, Talon manipulates him to their own ends.
ivory garnet
but Ramattra wont be in the dark soon once PvE starts
rare trail
so he can control it right?
ram isnt in the dark rn
hes got a whole short story for him
light adder
hes got a whole short story for him
so does sigma though
ivory garnet
Ramattra has more lore yes, but the same amount of knowledge for abilities like Sigma
ivory garnet
But i’d say we know Sigma has his (in game) left click
rare trail
yeah
i think his ult is likely too
lifting someone up and slamming them down seems like a basic gravity power
ivory garnet
i dont know about that, best we know of is his main fire
light adder
wait so all in game abilities arent guaranteed to be in the actual lore
ivory garnet
and its the same with Ramattra’s staff
rare trail
wait so all in game abilities arent guaranteed to be in the actual lore
they are not guaranteed
ivory garnet
wait so all in game abilities arent guaranteed to be in the actual lore
yep
ivory garnet
Nano is in the dark aswell
light adder
is zenyatta even able to fight
ivory garnet
we see Ana has her wrist gauntlet, but we dont know what it does
rare trail
is zenyatta even able to fight
hes shown sparring with ramattra in sprays
so
maybe
but not well
ivory garnet
is zenyatta even able to fight
he knows basic combat, having he trained with genji (even though most of it was emotionally)
light adder
does he do the ball throwing thing that he does in game though
peak escarp
some abilities act exactly the same in the lore and in the game
some abilities act differently between the lore and the game
some abilities do not exist in the lore at all
ivory garnet
no idea
rare trail
does he do the ball throwing thing that he does in game though
i dont think so
he can heal in some way
ivory garnet
we’ll find out in the PvE
rare trail
yeah
light adder
when does pve come out
rare trail
later this year
ivory garnet
s4 earliest
peak escarp
Zenyatta's orbs are an example of an ability that is completely different in the lore
rare trail
are all of reins abilities canon?
ivory garnet
a random crusader ≠ reinhardt
rare trail
well like he has the same gear though
peak escarp
well if a random crusader can do it, it's very likely that Reinhardt can do it too
ivory garnet
very likely, but its in the dark
we havent seen him use it or mention it in any media
rare trail
yeah
rare trail
where is earthshatter shown i forgot
ivory garnet
soldier
rare trail
except for new ult and grenade
i havent finished orisa novel yet is her stuff shown to be canon?
rare trail
dva reinhardt winston zarya for tank
ivory garnet
i dont remember
rare trail
maybe ball
ivory garnet
winston secondary hasnt been shown
rare trail
oh yeah i forgot about that
ivory garnet
i havent finished orisa novel yet is her stuff shown to be canon?
judging from the message in pins, no
light adder
where is junkrat riptire shown
peak escarp
the shield, halt, her gun, her supercharger
rare trail
for damage reaper soldier tracer widowmaker symmetra
peak escarp
only thing not seen was fortify, I think
ivory garnet
we havent seen reaper tp yet pretty sure
ivory garnet
only thing not seen was fortify, I think
i think she is constantly in fortify
just doesnt show the golden effect
light adder
is echo able to turn into people like her ult
ivory garnet
no
rare trail
is echo able to turn into people like her ult
kinda
not really though
not random people
rare trail
i dont think genji is all canon
ivory garnet
not shapeshift tho
rare trail
bc of double jump
ivory garnet
i dont think genji is all canon
passive
vapid tusk
She can echo people 
ivory garnet
i dont count passives
rare trail
technically they do bc tank passive
and in ow1 he got a buff to make people gain 30% less ult charge
ivory garnet
no clue then
rare trail
roadhog just has hook right?
ivory garnet
she has been in media yes
vapid tusk
She was sick but saved by rocket legs and then becomes an enhanced soldier
ivory garnet
she has both of her gun fires and slide
rare trail
weird how her voice lines dont make sense with her e anymore
ivory garnet
might be rejoining OW so maybe
pretty sure she does rejoin by looking at the scenes we have seen
rare trail
im confused why ana and soldier dont rejoin overwatch
ig they both faked their deaths
ivory garnet
very old
rare trail
but overwatch could help them fight talon
ivory garnet
and soldier seems to consider overwatch a bad past
peak escarp
they have their own vendetta
ivory garnet
ana helps from the side though
vapid tusk
Ex: encounter w reaper
wind portal
I would assume either Winston or Sojourn become the new leader of New Overwatch
rare trail
winton
ivory garnet
Winston is the new leader
vapid tusk
Sojourn, no
peak escarp
Sojourn would help
wind portal
Winston would probably want Sojourn to be the new leader
peak escarp
probably be 2ic
ivory garnet
2nd in command
light adder
winston monkey strong ape intelligence
wind portal
Sojourn has more leading experience than Winston does technically
ivory garnet
Winston was the one to reunite those who want overwatch back, and had a “successful” first mission and recruit Sojourn back. Sojourn would def be 2ic
also feel like Sojourn wouldnt want the leader position too
ivory garnet
his animation looks off, I get its an early cut though
wind portal
It's weird to see that though, maybe she just doesn't want reinhardt all that hurt
peak escarp
probably arguing about Reinhardt being back in action
Overwatch did force him to retire after all
wind portal
that too, since there's a voice line with Ana about it
ivory garnet
same thing alot of overwatch would do
ivory garnet
someone in this discord compares her to a generic anime mc
peak escarp
kiriko is literally naruto
no
light adder
someone in this discord compares her to a generic anime mc
ninja with fox
peak escarp
the only thing they have in common is being a ninja with a fox spirit
there's a lot more that they don't have in common
ivory garnet
and using a kunai ig
peak escarp
character-wise
ivory garnet
they dont share anything character-wise besides something that is very common within Japanese storytelling
wouldnt be surprised if Null Sector also possibly attacks Japan though
would be nice to see an interaction between Kiriko and Genji
ivory garnet
ohh okay, I didnt know if we knew about the premise of his short story
peak escarp
As Null Sector drop pods rain down on Tokyo, Hanzo hears the ghost of his father—and meets with a familiar face—in an electrifying tale by E.C. Myers.
ivory garnet
familiar face could be 3 named people we know of
2 are likely, I wouldnt say the other is
peak escarp
it's most likely Kiriko
ivory garnet
thats who I think too
peak escarp
since she's the one that's still in Tokyo
ivory garnet
yeah, but never know if him and genji meet if he goes on a mission to Japan
would be cool if those 3 unitr
unite
wind portal
either Kiriko or Genji
ivory garnet
and their interactions
peak escarp
Genji is with Overwatch
ivory garnet
its unlikely to be both, most likely just Kiriko
short stories are the ones we get for free right (Ramattra, Code of Violence, Bastet, etc) and Novels we get 1 section for free and have to buy the actual book for the rest (Sojourn, Hero of Numbani, and Deadlock) right?
wind portal
short stories are the ones we get for free right (Ramattra, Code of Violence, Ba...
Tbh I'm very tempted to buy the books because OW2 be looking crazy so far
peak escarp
yes
ivory garnet
I want to get the Sojourn and Deadlock
peak escarp
all the short stories so far have been free
wind portal
I'll probably get Sojourn since I want to learn more about her
ivory garnet
do the short stories ever come out in physical copies?
peak escarp
yes
the first 5 are part of a hardcover collection
this upcoming collection will have 8 stories
peak escarp
uncertain
past copper
It is true. This probably meant to drop sometime after the Story Mode
As a means to continue expanding the story
peak escarp
idk if this is true
you can check the description in the Amazon link I just sent
past copper
Mostly seems to be for heroes who potentially won’t be in the story mode
peak escarp
seems like it
just because they aren't in story mode doesn't mean they won't get lore
past copper
Makes sense
peak escarp
I really want to see the Old Soldiers plotline continue, but that definitely won't be part of the playable story
past copper
I still think the story could drop in February and these collections are for the heroes who don’t appear
That said, pretty sure Numbani could mean either Efi or Orisa, Junker Queen is obvious, but possibly also Junkrat and Roadhog
I don’t know about the last two places tho
vocal marsh
I assume the PvE will be mostly like Cassidy D.Va Zarya Baptiste Pharah and older characters like Bastion Reinhardt
past copper
Liliang could be a new hero and the stars could be talking about the residents on Horizon Lunar Colony
peak escarp
basically everyone in Overwatch
ivory garnet
or maybe Hammond or Sigma
peak escarp
past copper
Hammond and Sigma aren’t on Horizon anymore. But the animals are
ivory garnet
I dont think we’ll be playing as Cassidy much
ivory garnet
Hammond and Sigma aren’t on Horizon anymore. But the animals are
they were in space at a point of time
wind portal
I love how the relationship between Junkrat and Junker Queen is complicated
wind portal
She definitely hates Roadhog though
wouldn't Lucio and Symmettra be on 'it's complicated?
past copper
I honestly think a new line could be made. One for alliance. At least to indicate Ram and Doom
Maybe Sombra with Talon too
peak escarp
they have a line
wind portal
I honestly think a new line could be made. One for alliance. At least to indicat...
Honestly that would probably be the most 'It's complicated' thing out there
ivory garnet
they both have a line
peak escarp
I made "it's complicated" so I didn't have to have a dozen different line colours
ivory garnet
what application do you use for your charts ?
peak escarp
I just made it the hard way in photoshop
past copper
I meant for “Alliance” not “It’s Complicated” since Ram, Doom, and Sombra all have their own personal goals but have to work together
peak escarp
"it's complicated" covers everything from allies to rivals to "friends"
wind portal
I don't really consider Ram a member of talon from like, a traditional standpoint anyway
ivory garnet
he isnt
peak escarp
he's not a member of Talon
ivory garnet
he has his own faction
peak escarp
he's a member of Null Sector, who is allied with Talon
ivory garnet
whats the tiger like symbol that hates the shimada?
peak escarp
the Hashimoto clan
the ones who took over Hanamura and Kanezaka after the Shimada left
ivory garnet
ah okay
past copper
There is also the line between Zarya and Sombra. Kinda think that should be complicated
ivory garnet
for what reason?
peak escarp
you can find that emblem in the Tora no Sumika bar on the Kanezaka map
past copper
Bc does she see Sombra as an enemy after their meeting
peak escarp
which is known to be a front for the Hashimoto
ivory garnet
there is a line for Sombra and Zarya
wind portal
Sombra and Talon should be it's complicated tbh
wind portal
It's a weird silver lining
past copper
there is a line for Sombra and Zarya
I didn’t say there wasn’t a line. I said it should be complicated instead of enemies after their meeting in Zarya’s comic
wind portal
I'm kinda glad Sombra has the most heart out of the rest of the talon members *excluding bap who was former talon(
light adder
whats the thing that symettra is a member of
light adder
why is lucio enemies with them
ivory garnet
ruined his home
peak escarp
they basically tried to gentrify his neighbourhood
wind portal
lucio fighting Vishkar with his father's tech
thorny cobalt
Who would you guys say is the most powerful character in canon? Is it still Winston since he beat Doomfist?
peak escarp
Winston is in the top 5
vapid ledge
I would say sigma is number 1
limpid agate
We cant say who is
vapid ledge
True but controlling gravity is pretty broken
vocal marsh
We don’t know that he can control it
He’s linked in lore as having strange graviton fluctuations around him
But lore wise we don’t actually know
ivory garnet
we know he can control it a bit
vapid ledge
Oh true true. I always thought they implied he can depending on his state of mind
Which is unstable rn
gray tinsel
Ram is not a talon member he just protects omnics and anyone who hurts them he will kill
rare trail
Ram is not a talon member he just protects omnics and anyone who hurts them he w...
he is working with talon
gray kayak
he is working with talon
Is this confirmed via a comic or interview or something? The only thing I know is that Doomfist piqued Ram's interest at the end of the Maximilian cinematic, I didn't know they officially allied
rare trail
Is this confirmed via a comic or interview or something? The only thing I know i...
i mean ramattra just said "you have my attention" then it cut off but i just kinda assumed they were working together after that
and in masquerade he was disappointed about kings row uprising failing
blue is reaper yellow is doomfist
worthy rose
is hanzo more powerful than sigma lore wise
worthy rose
isnt he in the short with overwatch x heart stone i think 1v1 the queen of all dragons i think
rare trail
we dont have a good powerscale for his dragon
worthy rose
is that in the lore?
rare trail
isnt he in the short with overwatch x heart stone i think 1v1 the queen of all d...
not canon though
worthy rose
why
rare trail
because hearthstone isnt canon in overwatch
worthy rose
was it confirmed
rare trail
is it confirmed that hearthstone isnt canon to overwatch?
worthy rose
im not into lore i just wanted to know
rare trail
im not into lore i just wanted to know
hearthstone is set in the world of warcraft universe which conflicts with overwatch universe
that short isnt canon
just promotional
worthy rose
i looked it up it was heros of the storm
worthy rose
is it just a short
worthy rose
same with the genji short
rare trail
we've only seen hanzo in dragons iirc
rare trail
same with the genji short
dragons is canon fight with genji dva vs diablo isnt
worthy rose
ok
rare trail
hanzo is weak in lore
worthy rose
wasnt genji super fast
rare trail
genji is pretty fast
worthy rose
that he is like faster than bullet
rare trail
no
genji might have the reaction time to deflect a bullet
he deflected the omnics shots in zero hour but he had a lot of time to do that
worthy rose
When was the last lore book thing
rare trail
sojourn released a few months ago
ramattra origin in the most recent origin
theres a short story involving him too
worthy rose
hanzo is weak in lore
True
make hanzo stronger in lore
McCree would blast Hanzo's a$$
cassidy*
worthy rose
No idc I'm calling him Mccree
rare trail
No idc I'm calling him Mccree
why
worthy rose
Because Cole Cassidy sucks
bronze jasper
cz the original name was mccree
rare trail
is it so hard to say a different name that isnt named after a sa
worthy rose
is it so hard to say a different name that isnt named after a sa
Is it?
worthy rose
cz the original name was mccree
do you know why they changed it
bronze jasper
is it so hard to say a different name that isnt named after a sa
imean its not hard they saying they dont want to do it
rare trail
Is it?
jesse mcree was an employee at blizzard who sexually assaulted people and thats who cassidy was named after they changed it
worthy rose
Jesse Mccree is better than lame a$$ Cole Cassidy
worthy rose
jesse mcree was an employee at blizzard who sexually assaulted people and thats ...
So?
rare trail
Jesse Mccree is better than lame a$$ Cole Cassidy
cole cassidy also isnt the name honoring someone who committed sexual assault
worthy rose
is hanzo more powerful than sigma lore wise
Sigmas a$$ is wanked as hell. He stomps Hanzo though
rare trail
who is strongest in lore im gonna get angry if its sigma
sigma probably
symmetra
winston
orisa
worthy rose
sigma is dooms dog?
Winston
and doom is stronger than winton
Ah no
Winston beat him
worthy rose
he got like 4v1
You mean those flies known as Tracer and Genji? Please they didn't damage him
rare trail
he got like 4v1
he got tracer and genji out of the fight immediately and didnt take damage
rare trail
doomfist origin?
what
clyde just blocked my image that was just all of the heroes with green red or yellow marks next to them
weird
i just cropped it differently and now its fine
rare trail
green is would beat hanzo red is would get beat by hanzo and yellow is even / not enough info
worthy rose
winton didnt beat doomfist
worthy rose
how they just fisted eachother
rare trail
how they just fisted eachother
it cut off then doomfist was in jail
he lost
and was locked up
it thought it was explicit
what
red is gets beat
yellow is even fight/not enough info
green is beats doomfist
worthy rose
torbjorn is strongest?
rare trail
no
rare trail
torbjorn is strongest?
sigma symmetra winston and orisa are strongest
worthy rose
how is symmetra strong
rare trail
hardlight
she can build anything
kinda like green lantern
so she could like just build a gun
and shoot you
or build a box around you
worthy rose
but doom and ramattra has the most power over the whole ovewatch universe
wet dove
Ram < shield
worthy rose
and ramattra owns like every omnic
worthy rose
but i saw it in tiktok comments
rare trail
he doesnt own any omnics
rare trail
but i saw it in tiktok comments
not a good source for info
i dont know how many omnics are in null sector
it might be just him
worthy rose
zenyatta must be powerful because he has transedence
rare trail
zenyatta must be powerful because he has transedence
not canon
wet dove
I think the most favorable hero is soldier
worthy rose
no
rare trail
wdym favorable?
worthy rose
hate him
rare trail
I think the most favorable hero is soldier
like most likable or what does favorable mean?
worthy rose
isnt that super big omnic thing that is in zero hour stronger than winston and everyone
they needed to team up on him
worthy rose
winston cant
rare trail
that super big omnic thing is powerful though