lore-discussion

[ivory garnet]

he knows basic defense and offense

[wind portal]

I just question why Widow and Sombra would even try and target Zen knowing well they wouldn't let a mondatta 2.0 happen

[ivory garnet]

it would also be the point where we’d see if his orbs are canon (for pvp and healing, but we’d have to see them in one of the cutscenes)

[wind portal]

plus genji just existing and we know genji is more skilled than pretty much a solid 90% of talon

[ivory garnet]

i feel as they would get away if sombra maybe hacks his legs making him unable to move? if thats possible

[wind portal]

Genji can still deflect, I would assume he'd also be able to deflect bullets

[ivory garnet]

he probably could

[wind portal]

we know his ultimate is canon so sombra kinda done for regardless

[ivory garnet]

he only really uses his sword if deemed necessary

[wind portal]

against widow he would use it tbh

[ivory garnet]

he’d maybe use his tanto like blade, but not his sword

[wind portal]

Though if we're being real here, Sombra likely leaves Widow on her own and Widow is forced to retreat knowing Sombra betrayed her again

[ivory garnet]

wouldnt be surprised if sombra did

but sombra is also smart

[wind portal]

It's very much in her character lol, she knows not to mess with Overwatch

[ivory garnet]

and she’d know when to leave

[wind portal]

genji arriving would be a very clear sign for sombra to leave

[ivory garnet]

i just want to know their reason for (possibly) goingto kill or capture Zenyatt

Zenyatta

was it Ramattra’s command?

[wind portal]

I doubt it

would probably be Doomfist's command to see if Ram would still be loyal

[ivory garnet]

or maybe they’d make it seem like humans killed him

so if Ramattra saw

then maybe he’d get even more aggressive

[wind portal]

I would probably assume it would just be at Doom's command because I highly Doubt Ram would have the 'heart' to target Zen

[ivory garnet]

he would maybe target Zenyatta to capture him, not kill him

because he doesnt want Zenyatta to get hurt

[vital pier]

Sigma solos the whole verse

[zinc halo]

Rein is physically strongest human imo

Doom has his gauntlet which allows him to level skyscrapers

We talking raw physical strngth

[ivory garnet]

Doom is still physically stronger

[worthy rose]

Winston still kills Sigma

I doubt his gravity overpowers Winston

Actual strongest would be Symmetra or Winston

[dawn topaz]

Ok but can overwatch beat the pvz gw + bfn characters?

Tbh rose solos with her ability to slow down time in a radius and turn people into goats. Plus she has her own version of wraith

[viscid flame]

"NOTHING ESCAPES GRAVITY!"

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose Winston, Sigma, Orisa, and Symmetra are all contenders

We dont know enough about Sigma or Symmetra

[limpid agate]

He can't level skyscrapers

Some 8 year old kid said he can

We've seen him try. He can't.

[limpid agate]

I looked it up. This plant can't turn a lot of things into goats.

Pretty sure most of the OW cast is fine

[zinc halo]

Sym?

[silk gorge]

Yall how did reaper turn into that weird shadowy form?

[ivory garnet]

Moira tested on Reyes alot

we dont know what her goal was

but thats the root of his powers

[ivory garnet]

Symmetra’s hardlight or hardlight in general is probably the most unfair thing in the verse

if you know who green lantern, its just his powers but you dont need the power of will

just imagination

[ivory garnet]

it shows her doing it partially in her origin story (which i believe that part of it she is in blackwatch)

[flint merlin]

How did Cass and junk lose their hands

[limpid agate]

We dont know specifically

Cassidy lost his sometime after leaving Overwatch, and before present day

There's a 6 year gap there

And Junkrat probably blew his off with a bomb

Alongside his leg and finger

[sour trout]

does anyone know what happened to that mauga guy?

[limpid agate]

He was last seen in WYLB

When Bap triggered an explosion and he was unseen

We dont know what happened, I think he's fine

[sour trout]

oh

[limpid agate]

Others think he was injured and needed to be rebuilt

[peak escarp]

it would be a good excuse to change his kit so that he's not a shield tank anymore

[sour trout]

I’ve lost hope he’ll come to the game but just wanted to know

[limpid agate]

he doesnt need to be rebuilt to not be a shield tank

Just dont give him the shield

[limpid agate]

Oh he's still coming

Just a question of when

[sour trout]

it’s been what more than 4 years?

[limpid agate]

Almost 4

So

Junkerqueen was 4 years

Sojourn was 6

[sour trout]

do we have any info indecating that he’s coming

[limpid agate]

They said so years ago after Sigma released

[zinc halo]

Zarya basically same

[limpid agate]

No she isnt

[sour trout]

i was kinda dissapointed that sigma replaced mauga

[ivory garnet]

zarya doesnt use hardlight

[limpid agate]

It doesnt look like you are disappointed

[ivory garnet]

Mauga will be playable at some point

could maybe be the next tank we get

[sour trout]

Well i might have had a p picture with mauga if he was actually playable and i’m not saying sigma is bad or i dislike him in any way

[ivory garnet]

i only dislike sigma for the fact he isnt more involved with the story

probably will be once its more talon based

[limpid agate]

Even then he isn't important

[ivory garnet]

he’s a backliner

they shouldve just saved the kit for later

and made Mauga his own

[peak escarp]

it was easier to make a new character than it was to design a new kit

[ivory garnet]

yeah i get that

[sour trout]

Sigma’s lore:he got sucked up in a black hole and then he become crazy and joined talon pretending they’re actually not bad

[ivory garnet]

he didnt join talon willingly

[limpid agate]

That's not his lore

[sour trout]

ofc it’s not

[ivory garnet]

he is imprisoned in talon, just more leisure

[sour trout]

yea i know just wanted to make brief and not deep

like not accurate

[peak escarp]

he got brain damage from opening a tiny black hole and now Talon is using his gravity powers for their own uses

there - brief lore that's actually correct

[ivory garnet]

do we know if he was imprisoned originally for his mental issues or that he killed someone?

[sour trout]

now that i think about it has talon ever send him on a mission

[ivory garnet]

and they wont

[peak escarp]

not that we know of

[peak escarp]

he was quarantined for safety

[ivory garnet]

i wouldnt let an insane man with gravity powers on a mission that would only take reaper and widow

he’s a liability to talon

he’ll most likely be used once something big happens

[peak escarp]

maybe in the future, when he's more stable

[ivory garnet]

on the regards of Talon

he could also just be their trump card

i wouldnt risk it per say

if the PvE is ever evolving, once the final few arcs arise, I’d imagine he’d get more involved

[sour trout]

well in an interaction between him and baptise sigma says:”my colleagues give me everything i need and baptise re spons saying:”i thought the same for too long”
Maybe this indecates the fact that sigma lives with the ilusion that talon isn’t actually using him

[ivory garnet]

im aware, which is why i give more leisure

because Sigma still does expirements im pretty sure

[peak escarp]

Talon gives him a lab and funds his research

he's happy to stay with them

[ivory garnet]

rather be imprisoned but able to do the thing that makes you the happiest, or locked up entirely

[sour trout]

so yea he can’t leave but that doesn’t really bothers him

[ivory garnet]

also Doctor Six, I wasnt playing ow1 alot when Heroes of the Storm was an event, what was the basis of it, and was it canon?

[limpid agate]

No

Its not

[ivory garnet]

alright thank you

[limpid agate]

HotS has its own canon seperate from each of the series its connected to

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

[sour trout]

as once said the best way to insure that one won’t escape,don’t make him feel imprisoned

[limpid agate]

So D.Va and Genji didnt fight Diablo in Hanamura

They never met

And Diablo is a fictional character in Overwatch

[ivory garnet]

so would he be like a fairytale/legend?

[peak escarp]

it's an alternate universe

[limpid agate]

No hes a video game character

Diablo the video game exists in Overwatch

[ivory garnet]

ohh okay

[limpid agate]

Like

Blizzardworld canonically exists

[sour trout]

and so is everyone but i got the point

[ivory garnet]

Im guessing its also just an in-corporation collab with Diablo (the actual video game)

[limpid agate]

What

[peak escarp]

Heroes of the Storm was the big crossover between Blizzard franchises

[ivory garnet]

blizzard has another title called Diablo

[limpid agate]

I still have no idea what you're talking about

[ivory garnet]

nothing, we may move it past it now

what did the Uprising event do to lore

like what happened in it

ik its post uprising comic

[peak escarp]

Uprising was our introduction to Null Sector, and Tracer's first mission as an Overwatch agent

[sour trout]

why in god can’t send images in chat?

[ivory garnet]

you have to get regular role

[sour trout]

?

[ivory garnet]

if you look at my roles, you’d see “regular”

you get it by contributing in anychat i believe

[sour trout]

Sorry for getting out of topic but what does that mean?

[ivory garnet]

you have to send a certain amount of messages in any chat i believe

to get the role

[sour trout]

ok

[ivory garnet]

which grants you the permission to send images

[sour trout]

Got it

[ivory garnet]

and thank you, I knew it was her first mission I just didnt know what it was about besides what the comic told us

[peak escarp]

the mission itself was to shut down air defenses so they could bring in Torbjorn's breaching device so they could break through the door of the power plant and save the hostages (including Mondatta and the mayor of London) inside

[ivory garnet]

so how much time passes inbetween Uprising and Alive?

[peak escarp]

7 years

[ivory garnet]

oh right, its during overwatch collapse right

(alive)

[ivory garnet]

which comic was that in?

was it also in Uprising?

it doesnt have the same style

[peak escarp]

it's the Tracer comic

London Calling

[ivory garnet]

oh

[peak escarp]

Tracer goes to talk with Mondatta before his rally

which makes the fact that she couldn't stop his assassination that much worse

[ivory garnet]

its sad that Widowmaker caught her offguard like that (making tracer rewind not knowing Mondatta was behind her)

[sour trout]

it would be a win-win situation for widow

[ivory garnet]

have we gotten any news for the next comic

[peak escarp]

not yet

[ivory garnet]

or we’re just kind of on the blank side of lore completely

[peak escarp]

we might get some lore with the map next season

[ivory garnet]

we’re getting a new map?

[peak escarp]

in season 3

[ivory garnet]

hm didnt know that

so we’re seemingly getting new heroes and a new map every season

although the gameplay is on the downside, atleast the content is fresh

[sour trout]

wait i know we have 20days left bu do we have any idea what hero we’re getting if we’re going to get one?

[ivory garnet]

no clue

its usually not until the last 7 days

just like how Ramattra was

we do know its a support though

it’ll most likely be a new character to lore

someone who will contribute to the PvE

[sour trout]

well we knew about ramattra a long time ago but it wasn’t guaranteed we were going to get him so i got your point

[peak escarp]

heroes come in even-numbered seasons

so season 4 will be our next hero

[sour trout]

what?

[peak escarp]

maps are on odd-numbered seasons

[ivory garnet]

thats what they announced?

[peak escarp]

yes

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

so we were lucky with season 2

[sour trout]

didn’t know that

[ivory garnet]

i guess thats nice

so we’d have to wait till double digit seasons for our next dos

dps

[sour trout]

dps?

[ivory garnet]

our next heroes will consist on supports and tanks

to even out the picks i assume

[sour trout]

didn’t we just get a tank so that means we’re probably getting a support

[ivory garnet]

its confirmed our next hero is a support

[sour trout]

yea

[ivory garnet]

however

[sour trout]

?

[ivory garnet]

interested on what location the next map may be

it may be Gothenburg (i think thats the name) which is a location for PvE

not much to see, but a ss taken in the location

[peak escarp]

Gothenburg was announced back in 2019 as a 2cp map

so it needs to be reworked to a core mode for it to be the next map

[ivory garnet]

which they can probably do

[sour trout]

is it me or does it look kind of like venice without the canals?

[ivory garnet]

just you

[sour trout]

oh

[ivory garnet]

if you go to eichenwald Attacker side, 1st spawn, you can see the city in the background of the ss

[sour trout]

ss?

[ivory garnet]

screenshot

the photo i sent

[sour trout]

oh

[peak escarp]

the city in the distance on Eichenwalde is Stuttgart

[ivory garnet]

it has the same architecture

[ivory garnet]

they look similar to me

[peak escarp]

similar, sure

[ivory garnet]

same sleek disign

[peak escarp]

but it's not the same city

[ivory garnet]

design*

[peak escarp]

Gothenburg is in Sweden

Eichenwalde is in Germany

[sour trout]

oh yea now that see it they look preety similar

[ivory garnet]

would be nice if we had it as a map though

or some map that will be involved in PvE

[sour trout]

i don’t understand why does it look like they’re so close

[ivory garnet]

Germany and Sweden are close

wouldnt be surprised if they shared architectural designers

[sour trout]

yea

but still

[ivory garnet]

also wouldnt be surprised if there was architects who build around the world

[peak escarp]

like Vishkar

[ivory garnet]

yeah

we could possibly expect a story mission in Numbani

as it seems Null Sector targets big cities with alot of life in it

I spoke about this earlier, but do you think it would be possible for the gwishin to get their own arc aswell?

[peak escarp]

possibly

[ivory garnet]

im interested on where they are coming from

and who their leader or maker is

as they have designs that arent like anything you surprisingly see in the average overwatch world

[sleek tapir]

i have a question about your overwatch relationship web thing you have

[peak escarp]

I assume their leader is the gwishin colossus we've seen a few times

[peak escarp]

yes?

[sleek tapir]

who is the person that is enemies with junkrat and roadhog?

[limpid agate]

Can you repost the web

The one in pins is outdated

But if you mean the one in pins, that's the Queen

[sleek tapir]

ah

[ivory garnet]

can we repin that one and unpin the other?

[sleek tapir]

i couldnt really make out the person that was in the old pinned one

[ivory garnet]

do you have a picture?

[ivory garnet]

oh

[peak escarp]

yeah that one

[ivory garnet]

thats quite huge

[peak escarp]

the one described in D.Va's bio

More than two decades ago, South Korea was attacked by a colossal omnic monstrosity that rose from the depths of the East China Sea. The massive, lumbering construct caused catastrophic damage to coastal cities before it was driven back beneath the waves. In response, the South Korean government developed a mechanized armored drone unit, called MEKA, to protect urban environments in future engagements with the omnic threat.

[ivory garnet]

somewhat reminds me of the first boss in Nier:automata

hm so they prominently live in the ocean

makes sense since the ones we saw in the cinematic are squid like

possibly has its factory inside?

[peak escarp]

I would guess that all of the gwishin drones have an aquatic design to them

[ivory garnet]

yeah i’d hope

but then if thats the leader, you’d have to guess who made that thing

because it looks bigger than an omnium

or somewhat the same size

[limpid agate]

We havent seen the omnium in the East China Sea

[peak escarp]

omniums are the size of a city

[ivory garnet]

oh

[peak escarp]

Junkertown is built in an omnium

[ivory garnet]

i thought they were the length of an amazon warehouse but the height of the empire state building

is there anymore of junkertown that we havent seen in the pvp map?

[limpid agate]

Yes

The rest of the city

We only go into a small part of it

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

but can we count the gwishin as an omnic? ig we cant really answer that since theres not much known on them

[peak escarp]

It’s a long journey on the stratoscopter. When they finally cross the border and Chase catches sight of the omnium on the horizon, she feels a chill creep into her blood. The automated factory is on the outskirts of Detroit, near the township of Sumpter. Seeing it from here, Chase is reminded of driving to theme parks—how she could see the huge rides on the horizon from far away. How the sight of the drop tower and the pendulum rides or the apex of the biggest roller coaster would make her believe she was almost there, then she’d be disappointed to discover that they still had a half hour or more to drive. The omnium is much the same—a city-size factory many stories high, spread across several square kilometers. The size of it tricks her into thinking that they are closer than they are.

[ivory garnet]

thats in her novel right

[peak escarp]

description of the Detroit omnium from the Sojourn novel

[ivory garnet]

1729 acres

thats crazy

hope we do get to dive into the gwishin more

[acoustic marsh]

I have a question. Where does reaper get his guns?

it always confused me

[ivory garnet]

we dont know, but he only uses 2 pairs of shotguns whenever we see him

which he pulls from back part of his waist

also where is it stated that symmetra made a 1 km hammer

was it in a voice line or her short story

[peak escarp]

voice line

someone asks how big of a hammer she could make, she says around 1 km tall

[ivory garnet]

taller than the tallest thing humans have currently made

thats insane

[limpid agate]

It was Junkerqueen asking about an axe

But yes

[sour trout]

she said out of hard light sooo…

[peak escarp]

we don't know the limits of hard light

[sour trout]

indeed

[peak escarp]

which is why Symmetra is a contender for strongest hero

[sour trout]

If we talked about realism then yes

[ivory garnet]

overwatch isn’t realistic

[vocal marsh]

I think they mean in the reality of the game outside of combat

Lore wise rather than gameplay

[limpid agate]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[signal ore]

What is Echos lore?

[frosty gale]

She was a robot created by a doctor under overwatch(not mercy, someone else) and when her creator died, echo copied the personality of her creator.

[limpid agate]

Mina Liao

Thats not an accurate summary either

!!loreheroes echo

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/echo#story

[limpid agate]

Just read her bio

[midnight oar]

where all the rod wave fans at

[limpid agate]

The what

Thats not a thing in Overwatch, what are you on about

[worldly wyvern]

we require more about sigma 🍽️

[opaque tundra]

have you guys heard about the new short story collection coming out in october? i haven't seen much talk about it here

https://www.amazon.com/Overwatch-Heroes-Ascendant-Story-Collection/dp/195691630X

here's the amazon listing that looks to be the only source so far

[vocal marsh]

Though Jeannie Bolet did voice both Echo and Mina

Not that it means they’re the same just interesting

[peak escarp]

the new short story collection is exciting

since we'll most likely get those stories released throughout the year

it'll be the first time Hanzo has been featured in a piece of lore since Dragons in 2016

[last python]

Sigma strongest character Overwatch

[normal cave]

u mean symmetra

[wind portal]

Sigma's like, 3rd/2nd strongest

Sym would be strongest

[normal cave]

id say torborhan

[normal cave]

[wind portal]

Torb isn't that strong tbh

[last python]

How sym?

[normal cave]

he's pretty op in my opinion

[wind portal]

she can practically create anything with her light constructs

[normal cave]

the turret + he repairs it

has a buff

and the ult is really good

[wind portal]

this is lore, not in-game.

[normal cave]

wat

oh shoot

wrong channel

[last python]

Yea but sigma has the power of a black hole which can destroy any matter.

[normal cave]

i have a major point

he has his dogs out

so no

[plain forum]

Sigma can create black holes which light cannot escape

[wind portal]

We don't know if he can actually do that in lore, all we know is that he has significant control over gravity

[normal cave]

sym still better

yus

[plain forum]

she is pretty cool

[normal cave]

[plain forum]

👍 ❤️

[wind portal]

Doomfist is strongest from a political perspective however.

[normal cave]

political?

[wind portal]

in terms of political power in OW he has the most power rn

[normal cave]

o word, i didnt know

[last python]

In game he has an ability that can can consume anything.

[wind portal]

this is not in-game.

this is lore.

[normal cave]

even in game it only blocks bullets?!

it don do anything else

[wind portal]

!!loreonly

[normal cave]

[last python]

That’s true we don’t know much about sigma so it’s tied with sym

[normal cave]

but wait

he has his dogs out 24/7 🙏

[last python]

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN???

Winton or hampter? Smartness?

[normal cave]

HE GOT NO SHOES ON

[normal cave]

winston all the way

💯

[last python]

Who smarter?

[normal cave]

he has glasses 💯

[last python]

Who is the better villain?

Like sombra, reaper, doom, etc

[peak escarp]

Ramattra

he's a complex villain

[limpid agate]

Ramattra is best, followed by Doomfist

Ramattra is the best written character they've released since Baptiste.

Or if you want to argue better than Baptiste, then... Best since the game released I suppose

[wind portal]

I wouldn't even say Ram is a Villain from a normal perspective

Like, he's certaintly not good but I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a villain the same way Reaper or Doom are

and I hardly consider Sombra a villain either at this point, morally grey

[peak escarp]

antagonist then

[wind portal]

that works

[limpid agate]

No.

Ramattra is a villain

Characters like Symmetra or Ashe are antagonists

But Ramattra is a full fledged villain

He is the leader of an international terrorist organization that is actively waging war on humanity across the globe and taking his own people hostage against there will.

Regardless of motivation or purpose, he's a villain

[worthy rose]

Reaper

[vocal marsh]

I like Sombra

[static sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWja1n5ZBnw

[median knoll]

Where would be the best place to start reading/watching the lore from the beginning?

[limpid agate]

There is a summary in pins

[sullen warren]

genji is the hero of overwatch

[limpid agate]

He is a hero of Overwatch

[sullen warren]

he is THE hero

[silent schooner]

[peak escarp]

Genji is a secondary character

Tracer and Winston are the main characters

[silent schooner]

Isn’t Lucio gonna be like the main character in the story mode

[sullen warren]

I can get winston from the cinematic and he's narrating, but tracer?

[peak escarp]

Uprising was about her first mission

she's the poster child for the franchise

[golden oak]

Why JQ banned Roadhog and Junkrat from entering junkertown?

[peak escarp]

because they're troublemakers

[golden oak]

Isn’t that town full of troublemakers tho?

[peak escarp]

they made trouble for the Queen

so she exiled them

[limpid agate]

No

We just think its full of trouble makers because the only two people we knew for years were

Wasted Land shows its just a normal town

A normal town with lax laws

But still a town with people just living in it

[golden oak]

But stealing is allowed

[light adder]

is there a main character

[peak escarp]

Winston and Tracer

[wind portal]

the funny thing is, there a few voicelines I believe that shows that JQ knows that she wouldn't be able to atleast beat Mako if he decided to reenter junkertown

[west barn]

Wha exactly is torbjorns overload? Like I know what it does but how exactly is he doing it? Is he even human? I've looked around on the wiki and have no answer for this burning question

[vocal marsh]

Gameplay

[peak escarp]

it's not canon

[west barn]

Oh damn😔 I thought the dwarf man was a dragon

[wind portal]

when did Roadhog steal Helix's equipment? was it before or after he met Junkrat

[vocal marsh]

Canonically who would win in a fight of:
Rein
Soldier
Tracer
Ana
Mercy
Vs.
Doom
Reaper
Widow
Moira
Bap

Or not really canon but

[peak escarp]

he didn't steal from Helix

[wind portal]

Ana alone has the best shot out of any members listed

[vocal marsh]

Widow is no slouch

[wind portal]

Ana is better

If she didn't hesistate, Widow would not be alive

[vocal marsh]

Also a single sniper doesn’t win the whole battle

Yes but that is also a sniper vs sniper event

Not a 5 v 5

[wind portal]

I mean, realistically they'er not getting near Ana so she alone could win that 5 v 5

[vocal marsh]

Widow

Reaper

Idk if Moiras fade is canon either

[worthy rose]

I'd pick team two since Moira has better healing and doesn't have to aim. They also have bigger guns like Doom

[ivory garnet]

Talon would win that fight

Reaper and Doom would be doing most of the heavy lifting

[clear kestrel]

baps and moira alone probably tip things in talons favor

[limpid agate]

You put in Reinhardt instead of Winston, so the Talon team

Bap isnt the tipper, its Doomfist and Reaper

And Widow is solid as well

You can probably remove Moira/Baptiste and that team would still win

Mercy's tech was shown to not be able to cure Reaper's necrotic wounds

Albeit that was a weaker application of it from Ana

[ivory garnet]

Reaper and Doom could probably beat them all by themselves

not including Winston was like you’re wanting OW to lose

[limpid agate]

One thing to note is

The campaign is probably going to be pitting us 4v1 against these characters

[ivory garnet]

but they’d be mega buffed

for the occasion

[limpid agate]

Thats gameplay

Story wise, look at their appearances

[vocal marsh]

what if rein was swapped for winston

[limpid agate]

Either Winston wins, or the good guys outnumber the bad guys and make them retreat

Then its much more interesting

[past copper]

Depends. I feel more like 4v2

[vocal marsh]

cuz hes beaten 3/5 in a fight

[past copper]

At least against hero characters

[limpid agate]

Winston has beaten 2/5 of them in a fight

[vocal marsh]

doom and reaper/widow

[limpid agate]

He never beat Widow

[vocal marsh]

ig it was kinda 2 v 2

but

[past copper]

Think like this. Null Sector will probably send a different boss every mission

[ivory garnet]

we’ll most likely only be playing OW members

[past copper]

While Talon uses 2 heroes as bosses

[ivory garnet]

we have Ramattra’s close friends (idk what they’re called) to face

[past copper]

I don’t know bout them. They walked out on him

The last two of them anyway

[ivory garnet]

eitherway, we cant really expect the enemies to win in any scenario

may they accomplish their goal? maybe, but they’d probably lose the fight

[past copper]

Don’t know bout that. They asked how dark they can make the world of Overwatch

I’m sure Talon will have small victories on their end

Because keep this in mind, the world has gone to hell with Null Sector invading major cities

So people are gonna be more focused on them. Giving Talon the opportunity to do as they please

At least until they run into Overwatch. Bc I think the encounter at the India temple was by coincidence between Overwatch and Talon

[ivory garnet]

i think it was just coincidence that Genji got there at that moment

because I do wonder if we will get missions that only use 1 person

[north walrus]

if torb "adopted" bastion wouldnt bastions name be bastion lindholm

[ivory garnet]

realistically yes

[north walrus]

on my mom im so smart

[ivory garnet]

and we do know omnics can have surnames

so it is possible he is Bastion Lindholm

[past copper]

True. It not like Overwatch or Genji could’ve known Talon was targeting Zen

[north walrus]

IM SO SMART !!!!!!!!!!!! 🗣️ 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

i just thought of this when i got on my laptop

[ivory garnet]

Im just wondering, if it is still a 4 player mission, who would go with Genji? I feel as if Zen is a special person to him due to Zen helping Genji find out who he is now

unless their goal is to bring him into safety?

[past copper]

I vaguely remember seeing Winston on the India map and Zarya I think

[ivory garnet]

was it the clip with the building burning down?

[past copper]

Yes and Winston on the India map fighting Talon Troopers

[ivory garnet]

hm yeah

and the 4th is Zen

[past copper]

I see it like this. Genji, Winston, Zarya, and Zenyatta is the team

[ivory garnet]

yeah because we’ve been seeing in EVERY story event that we have gotten, that there has only been 1 support

and 2 dps, or 2 tank

[past copper]

Trying to escape the temple while fighting Talon. Who are led by Widow and Sombra

[north walrus]

is bastion torbs pet omnic dog

[merry mason]

yeah pretty much

[ivory garnet]

but why would they seek out Zen, was it to seem like humans killed him knowing Ramattra and Zen were once close and to make Ramattra more aggressive? or was it a mission Ramattra asked Doom to put through to capture zen and keep him safe with Null Sector

[north walrus]

im so smart i ate this up

[past copper]

Hard to say. I’d imagine it’s because Zenyatta could pose a threat to Talon’s goal like Mondatta did and wanted to end him, bc Ram would still see him as a friend

So I think Ram is not the one wanting him dead

[ivory garnet]

I dont think Ramattra would want him dead

i feel as if it would make him possibly more aggressive?

[past copper]

But Idk. Maybe something slipped that Zenyatta was a target and Genji wanted to protect him

[ivory garnet]

well we most likely know he survives because blizzard has no reason to kill a main part of the ow cast

[past copper]

Cause we don’t know what happens between Rio Mission and India Mission

[ivory garnet]

also, we’ll be getting a hanzo novel?

[peak escarp]

short story

[past copper]

However, there is the possibility Ram views Zen as a threat bc he trained longer than him under Mondatta and achieved enlightenment

[ivory garnet]

either way thats good

[ivory garnet]

i feel like that mission is in the middle of the arc

Ramattra’s demise can go 2 maybe 3 possible ways

[peak escarp]

https://www.amazon.ca/Overwatch-Heroes-Ascendant-Story-Collection/dp/195691630X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=KUT4UDIGMGXB&keywords=overwatch+2+short+story+collection&qid=1673838682&sprefix=overwatch+2+short+story+collection%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-1

[past copper]

We’ll see. Only thing we got is Talon tries to kill Zen, burn down the temple, Zen joins Overwatch

[ivory garnet]

1: He gets destroyed entirely (maybe rebuilt for the future
2: He is imprisoned
3: Zen (maybe) has a politics talk with Ramattra which could end with possibility 1 or 2

[ivory garnet]

i’ll definitely be getting once it comes out

[past copper]

Ain’t no way he’ll be imprisoned. Too dangerous to be kept alive

[ivory garnet]

so was doom

[past copper]

Doom more than likely had help on the inside to escape tho and they never would’ve thought he’d escape without his tech

[ivory garnet]

he did yeah

also, if we get another yokai member as a playable character, we can possibly expect a yokai mission

[past copper]

We don’t even know where Yokai or Kiriko stand in the story tho. Honestly, probably nowhere

[ivory garnet]

adding a new character though could change it though

they all have builds of a dps/support

[north walrus]

i surprised that when bastun was with torb the mfs from overwatch wasnt gonna drag bastion

[ivory garnet]

reinhardt was goingto shatter bastion

[north walrus]

ong

"omg its the thing that gave rein trauma.."

[sage dune]

i know im late to the party but i just watched bastions lore and it was siiick

sad tho

look at the new netflix show

https://youtu.be/N3bHK3OvBbo

[ivory garnet]

those are just clips from his cinematic

there is no overwatch show

[sage dune]

its real

they reused some of the old clips

[peak escarp]

there is no Netflix show

that trailer is just The Last Bastion

[ivory garnet]

it would be released from the overwatch,blizzard, or netflix channel then

not some random youtuber who used sound effects and clips from Bastion’s cinematic

[sage dune]

did you even watch it through??

looks so good

[ivory garnet]

yes, I would love an overwatch show. But the chances of getting one is slim to none due to us getting the PvE

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/to8yh83jlXg

here's the full thing

[ivory garnet]

those are all clips from The Last Bastion

[sage dune]

they just resued some of the cinimatic for the trailer

[ivory garnet]

for the whole trailer

[sage dune]

just watch it through theirs newe stuff

netflix got lazy

[peak escarp]

there is not

[sage dune]

proof?

[ivory garnet]

only thing new in that video is sound effects

[peak escarp]

that's literally just the first 2 minutes of The Last Bastion with added sound effects

[ivory garnet]

watch the Bastion cinematic and you’d see they used the whole intro as their “trailer”

[sage dune]

whos they?? netflix?

[ivory garnet]

the random youtuber

[peak escarp]

it's not made by Netflix

[sage dune]

no man they just uploaded it there because its a leak

[peak escarp]

it's not

Netflix is not going to make a show out of recycled clips with shitty sound effects

[ivory garnet]

we wont be getting an Overwatch tv show

[sage dune]

they got lazy

[ivory garnet]

the chances are slim to none

[sage dune]

LOOK MAN THEY MADE A TRAILER

ITS RIGHT THERE

[peak escarp]

they did not

it's fake

[sage dune]

they did its right there

[haughty nest]

proof?

[ivory garnet]

the random youtuber used the cinematic clips with random sound effects

[haughty nest]

im so fucking hyped

[peak escarp]

any idiot can slap the Netflix stinger on the front of a clip

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/to8yh83jlXg

because the whole thing is right here

[haughty nest]

this isnt netflix

its clickbait

[ivory garnet]

this is clickbait

[ivory garnet]

this is not

[haughty nest]

its not even netflix

[ivory garnet]

yep

[sage dune]

so this is clickbait?

[sage dune]

and thisis not??

im confused i though you said it was fake

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @sage dune

[twilit nacelle]

@sage dune Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[sage dune]

nuh uh

[peak escarp]

just ignore the troll

[ivory garnet]

they just recycled the whole introduction of The Last Bastion and used horrible ear crunching sound effects

the people falling for the bait in the comments is quite sad

its the channel’s friends in the comments spreading false info

[olive musk]

are you guys talkiung about the new bastion show

wait what

its clickbait?

[haughty nest]

was it?

it looks so real!!!!

[olive musk]

thats what these people

are asaying

i thought so too but look i think it is

[peak escarp]

scroll up

I've linked the real thing

[haughty nest]

im like 99.9999999% sure its real

dont click that link its a virus

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/to8yh83jlXg

[olive musk]

that looks kinda sketchy

[haughty nest]

^ do not click

[olive musk]

youtu.be is a proxy isnt it

[haughty nest]

dont recognize link

[olive musk]

why not use real website

[ivory garnet]

can you accept the friend req real quick

[peak escarp]

it's from the official youtube

[haughty nest]

def a proxy

[olive musk]

i think this is just such hot news that nobody knows about it yet

im kind of excited :DD

[haughty nest]

im actually fucking hyped!

[peak escarp]

[haughty nest]

?

its real

[olive musk]

i just checked out their channel, they seem pretty legit

i didnt watch any of the videos but they opst a bunch of hot news stuff

:000

[haughty nest]

yeah they have pretty educational content wow

wasnt expecting that

[wind portal]

Do they just not bother to listen or?

[peak escarp]

they're probably friends with the guy who posted it

[wind portal]

Would make sense

[ivory garnet]

they are, their pfps and names match up with the comments in the video

[stiff radish]

Is lore symmetra strong? And does anyone have a video I can watch to get educated on the lore.

[keen summit]

One of the strongest in lore

Like art the top with sigma and orisa

!!loreguide

[twilit nacelle]

This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL

There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul

Also important for Overwatch 2 is Cassidy's comic series, New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB

There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE

The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC

[ivory garnet]

you can watch the one in pins

https://youtu.be/-aPY1OaEPjs

or this one

but it doesnt go into character depth

just main events

[stiff radish]

Thank you

[stiff radish]

Thanks

[limpid agate]

We don't know, but she is potentially the strongest character in the lore. potentially

[stiff radish]

Can’t she bend reality with hard light or something

[limpid agate]

Not exactly but also kinda

[stiff radish]

Alr Ty

[limpid agate]

We don't know her limits or full capabilities

But from what she said she is capable of, as well as her bio, she sounds like the Green Lantern

[stiff radish]

Ahhh so energy constructs that’s pretty OP

[ivory garnet]

and its just through imagination, not will

so its even more free

[sullen warren]

i was looking through the pinned messages, which link is for genji comics

if he has any

[keen summit]

he doesnt have any

[sullen warren]

:(

[keen summit]

hes featured in 2

[sullen warren]

any short stories or anything like that

[keen summit]

he has a short

dragons

[sullen warren]

haha yeah

[keen summit]

and is featured in doomfist origin story and uprising comic

[sullen warren]

i watched that

[keen summit]

also in reflections hes featured

[sullen warren]

how relevant is he

[keen summit]

ehhhh

pretty relevant as hes part of overwatch

and has ties to zen, who in turn has ties to ramattra the main villain

hes featured in a few things

[sullen warren]

what about his black watch backstory

[keen summit]

more relevant than hanzo for sure

[keen summit]

well

[sullen warren]

cuz i know the skin is canon

[keen summit]

he was just mad cuz he almost died

do you know what blackwatch is?

[keen summit]

some are

[sullen warren]

i don’t know what black watch is

not really too big on lore but some of its interesting to me

and i’ve been liking it

[keen summit]

blackwatch was the darkside of overwatch

doing the things like interogations, assasinations and just questionable things

moira, reaper, cassidy and genji were the notable members we know off

[sullen warren]

ohhh i see doing the kind of dirty work right

[keen summit]

moira was the darkside of science, reaper was well quick to anger and did things on impulses and cassidy was saved from prison by joining

genji was just mad

[sullen warren]

lol that hanzo tried to kill him right

reminds of anbu black ops from naruto if you ever watched that

[keen summit]

yeah and well his family wanting him gone

the least important characters to the main story are hanzo and kiriko tbf

[sullen warren]

well kiriko is new though

[keen summit]

jq is more important than her

sojourn too

jq shows greater omnic hatred

much like hog and junk

sojourn was in ow

or ramattra, newest hero who is legit the most important

together with doom and winston

[sullen warren]

what comic should i start with

or short story

[keen summit]

!!loreguide

[twilit nacelle]

This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL

There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul

Also important for Overwatch 2 is Cassidy's comic series, New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB

There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE

The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC

[keen summit]

short stories?

you mean origin or cinematics?

good thing to do is watch all and watch zero hour last

[sullen warren]

origin

[keen summit]

so you understand the heroes

[sullen warren]

not like the youtube cinematically

[keen summit]

order doesnt matter there

[sullen warren]

yeah

i see

[keen summit]

i'd advice watching all

but origin stories are the lore for each hero

and then uprising too which is important for overwatch and ramattra

cuz thats the start of null sector

[sullen warren]

i’ll check it out, thanks for the info

very helpful

[keen summit]

no worries

i love talking bout the lore

i just hope hanzo and kiriko get something, anything to be important

you could make hashimoto work with talon or null sector or something to give them a reason to be important

[grand wedge]

there is a short story coming somewhen this year about Hanzo ^^

As Null Sector drop pods rain down on Tokyo, Hanzo hears the ghost of his father — and meets with a familiar face — in an electrifying tale by E.C. Myers.

[ivory garnet]

we can maybe expect a mission in Japan

that will involve Kiriko or Hanzo

[grand wedge]

if they do this kind of missions - and give us a story to go with it, i'm all for that kind of things!

I loved when we had the Retribution comic and then we played the mission

[ivory garnet]

they also did it with Uprising which was nice

[sour trout]

yo what’s up

[silent schooner]

I feel like it would be smart if Overwatch invited Orisa, Lucio, and Kiriko to be members

[limpid agate]

What do you mean

[silent schooner]

Let me rephrase: Overwatch and Orisa, Lucio, and Kiriko would benefit from them being members

Overwatch would be able to help them out by covering Numbani, Kanezaka, and Rio, while also letting the three of them(Orisa, Kiriko, and Lucio) help out other people out

Not to mention Efi could also help out

[limpid agate]

Overwatch is a smaller team. They cant exactly cover all of those places simultaneously

Its just like, 12 people

Lucio will be joining, we saw that much

I dont think Kiriko will

And Orisa might help out on a mission, but I dont know if she would join

[sour trout]

Does anyone know what relation Ana has with roadhog

?

[limpid agate]

They never met

[dawn topaz]

oh, honor and glory as in reinhardt and brigitte going to eichenwaldt

[sour trout]

well there is an interacts between them and ana said that she has been to j town

[limpid agate]

Yes

[sour trout]

as far as i know there is nothing between them.soo… is that interaction there just because?

[limpid agate]

There is an interaction between Mei and Sigma

Sigma has been to China

They've never met

There are interactions with Lucio and the whole bloody cast

He's never met anyone but orisa and Doomfist

Not even Sym, who has an entire history with Brazil and the favelas

[sour trout]

right

but i’d say it’s a little different

[limpid agate]

It really isnt

[rare sundial]

for the PVE I wonder how the ow team will keep a location protected if they finished that mission

like say they capture route 66 from null sector

how will they defend it against null sector if they are in another location like paris?

[limpid agate]

There wont be a good explanation for it

[rare sundial]

that sucks

[vast summit]

isn't there an actual army that fought the null sector before overwatch showed up? by the UN or smth? once overwatch has removed the null sector foothold from there holding it is much easier

[peak escarp]

probably the French military, but Null Sector sent them into retreat

[merry mason]

in the sojourn novel, there was some sort of device that they were trying to defend that helped them deactivate an omnium. I remember hearing someone complaining it was too video gamey in concept to work in the story, could someone who read it describe the details?

[peak escarp]

they were trying to disrupt external communications of the omnium

which had to be done at several points

similar to hacking the access nodes in Uprising

[rose fiber]

can anyone give a semi noob a brief overwatch lore brush up plz

[merry mason]

Humans created AI servants called omnics, after the omnics rebelled a group of the world's best soldiers called overwatch was formed. once the war against robots was over, overwatch focused on more standard disaster relief and counterterrorism. People looked at the overwatch members as superheroes (and they kind of are) however, after the overwatch black ops division, creatively named blackwatch, was exposed, their popularity plummeted and they were eventually disbanded. Five years later, criminal activity from Overwatch's arch enemy, Talon, and a group of omnic extremists called Null Sector, cause Overwatch to be unofficially reinstated.

[sharp trench]

they completely eradicate the null sector forces in that area meaning there's no units to attack that area

[rose fiber]

ok but what did blackwatch do wrong

[ivory garnet]

an unauthorized illegal mission

killed a higher up in the world

[rose fiber]

oh ok

who was the higher up

[merry mason]

he was a respected buisness man from Italy that was secretly a member of talon. he ordered the bombing of an overwatch facility, killing dozens of overwatch members. Blackwatch was sent to extract him for interrogation but when he taunted them the blackwatch leader, Gabriel Reyes, shot him in the face. this drew the attention of talon's soldiers, and blackwatch basically massacred the soldiers as they retreated. The battle became to big to cover up, so blackwatch was investigated.

yeah he's reaper

[rose fiber]

ok sry i needed a catch up on all this stuff

[merry mason]

what do you mean?

[rose fiber]

i played overwatch a little bit got into the lore a little bit too but forgot as i played other games

so thnxs for that

[merry mason]

you're welcome!

[peak escarp]

you can find links to all the lore in the pins on this channel

[rose fiber]

ah ok

[errant minnow]

Mei trying to sleep but all her friends are haunting her dreams

I never figured out what relation she had with everyone in cryostasis

[maiden granite]

mei needs hugs

[peak escarp]

they were crewmates

probably stationed there together for years

[maiden granite]

what is meis real name

[peak escarp]

Dr. Meiling Zhou

[ivory garnet]

close friends

[worthy rose]

Anyone want to join a group

[ivory garnet]

wrong channel, look in lfg

[worthy rose]

Satan doesn't sleep

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @worthy rose

[twilit nacelle]

@native harbor Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

Sorry Dr. McCree

[peak escarp]

[past copper]

Sigh so cringe. Leave the comedy to the guys who make the big bucks

[ivory garnet]

[worthy rose]

Is Tactical visor canon and if yes how TF does it work

[keen summit]

null sector is constantly making new omnics

new drones basically

[ivory garnet]

yes it is canon

we saw it in “Hero” cinematic

[warm locust]

How do they get the resources?

[keen summit]

Well

Omniums

[sharp trench]

yeah but how are they gonna get omnics across an ocean

[keen summit]

Those flying factories

We've seen em alot

Atleasy its implied those things are factories

Thx to transition from one of those to new omnics beibg made

[dawn topaz]

crewmates?

[sharp trench]

crewmates????

[ivory garnet]

Talon

[keen summit]

Nope

He had it before talon existed

[ivory garnet]

he gets his resources from talon…

Talon funds their making of omnics

[keen summit]

Was that said on the story

Mightve missed it

Cuz yknow null sector's first attack on uprising

[ivory garnet]

yeah

[keen summit]

Lemme just reread it

Nope

Never mentioned in his lore bite

Also not in bio

@ivory garnet where dod you het the info

Also ive seen lots say in here "it wasnt a black hole with sigma" it was

[undone plaza]

Yalls mind if I drop some in depth overwatch character concepts?

Like shower thoughts and stuff yknow

[keen summit]

Wr dont really have channel for it

[undone plaza]

Aww rip..

[keen summit]

for what its worth you can send me

im very interested in concepts + i know alot bout the core of things

[silent schooner]

the end of the storm rising cinematic

it implies that doomfist and talon are helping ramattra create soldiers and give resources for null sector

https://youtu.be/BaX2bhHsMiI

that’s how he grew null sector from being like a local gang to a full fledged army

[keen summit]

yes

thing is we dont know how talon helps

it implies but it could also mean theyre disrupting the governments etc

[keen summit]

also false, its never mentioned he used talon to grow the army

it could be but there is no outright evidence other than speculation

[silent schooner]

implies

“but with talon’s help”

[keen summit]

yes?

[worthy rose]

Nerds

[keen summit]

mondatta died cuz of talon

that could also be part of the plan

cuz rama hated mondatta cuz he only spoke instead of just taking action

[worthy rose]

Bunch of irrelevant names massive L

[keen summit]

ramattra is legit the main villain, if you dont like it stay out

[worthy rose]

L Tank

Orisa better

Literally made doomfist run off

[keen summit]

but again its not like he used it for his army, it could be all kinds of things. all we know is that he uses the old omniums

[worthy rose]

W voicelines

[keen summit]

shes insanely strong yeah

[worthy rose]

Yknow who's stronger

Kratos

Aka

Me

[silent schooner]

don’t take the

[silent schooner]

but that is true

a lot of people disregard her strength

she’s easily a top 10 strongest heroes in the lore

she was remade and redesigned to counter doomfist who is (imo) the fourth strongest in the lore as of now

[ivory garnet]

most people have orisa in the top 5

doomfist is arguably 5th or 6th

[worthy rose]

Only knew it cuz of voicelines lol

Got better stuff to do than learn lord

[silent schooner]

who is he behind?

[limpid agate]

Winston, Orisa, and possibly Sigma and or Symmetra

I can see the argument for Reaper too

But I think that's just him having a good matchup against Doomfist than him being stronger

[ivory garnet]

^

[silent schooner]

“possibly sigma” bro????

[peak escarp]

we don't know the scope/limit of Sigma's powers

[silent schooner]

it’s gravity manipulation it should honestly speak for itself

[peak escarp]

being able to manipulate gravity is potentially very powerful

[vale knoll]

Sym ? 😭

[limpid agate]

Yes

[peak escarp]

hardlight is also potentially very powerful

[light adder]

what is ramattra's ultimate

like what does it do to damage people

or is it just something random

[vocal marsh]

Gameplay wise?

Or lore?

[peak escarp]

his nanites attack people, I assume

[vocal marsh]

But we don’t 100% know yet

[silent schooner]

yeah and with his state of mind/being it’s all the more powerful due to it’s randomness in fluctuations

[vocal marsh]

He hasn’t shown up except for in Storm Rising and his own comics which is more of his background

[viscid flame]

I always assumed it was a deal where Talon was feeding Rammatra raw resources, tech schematics, and power since Ram has a whole underground factory in that short story he doesn't need any manufacturing from them

[gray kayak]

This is a very safe assumption. When you're actually playing you'll notice the ticking sound of the nanites attacking enemies within the radius. It's the same sound used for his primary fire. (I understand that in-game doesn't necessarily equate to canon/lore, but it's a great guess.)

[peak escarp]

and unlike Reaper, Ramattra does actually have nanites

[ivory garnet]

people had thought reaper has nanites?

[limpid agate]

Yes

Annoyingly

[rare trail]

does zenyatta and mondotta mean anything?

are they like connected in some way?

bc in jojo they renamed oingo and boingo to zenyatta and mondotta so like are the names connected or do they just rhyme?

[ivory garnet]

though not ow based, didnt they keep oingo boingo? havent seen anything that changed them

[rare trail]

localization stuff

like king crimson being emperor crimson

and gold experience being changed to golden wind

it depends on where you get jojo from though

[ivory garnet]

Zenyatta Mondatta is an album, but idk if that has any correlation to ow

[rare trail]

yeah thats probably it

so they are connected

kinda

[ivory garnet]

they got copyrighted so VIZ forced changed to Zenyatta and Mondatta

[karmic turret]

@peak escarp is it true that mercy damage boost is canon in the lore.

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen her use it

[karmic turret]

Ah makes a lot of sense

[old eagle]

What makes the game itself not canon though? Did Blizz say that it wasn't?

[rare trail]

you cant assume game is canon by default

if you do it causes a lot of problems

like revive

[ivory garnet]

2 winstons

[rare trail]

reaper and mercy fighting side by side

[ivory garnet]

that could be possible

if u use blackwatch reaper and combat medic zielger

[rare trail]

yeah

but like symmetra and lucio

stuff like that

[ivory garnet]

yeah

only semi-canon things in gameplay is voicelines

but those are hypotheticals

like D.VA and Lucio havent even met yet

but in game they have flirty voice lines

[peak escarp]

I can't find the link, but a dev once said it was like playing with action figures

it's not like Apex where the Apex Games are a thing in-universe

[ivory garnet]

yeah i understand

or like valorant where its double earths

[ivory garnet]

it surely doesnt make more sense for him turning into wraith

dont see why nanobots would construct his body then de-construct it

• we see in Moira’s origin some type of smoke coming off of his shoulder

[ivory garnet]

whats the sub-reddit bte

btw

[peak escarp]

it's incredible to me that anyone still thinks this after Moira's introduction

[peak escarp]

r/Overwatch

[ivory garnet]

oh just that one

[rare trail]

theres so much misinformation there

like mercy didnt help reaper theres no nanomachines with him "cloud form" isnt what its called

[peak escarp]

yeah

this is the state of lore knowledge among the OW playerbase

[rare trail]

most well informed r/overwatch regular tbh

[old sail]

Cassidy kisses Ashe

[ivory garnet]

they had a brother/sister relationship i believe

may be wrong

[viscid flame]

Do you A:

Blame the Irish Mad Scientist who can turn herself into invisible smoke, has committed innumerable war crimes against humanity, is responsible for all the experiments and mutations in Talon, says she could have rebuilt Genji biologically, is literally evil

Or B: Blame the Swedish Doctor

The answer is simple

Mercy is evil

[ivory garnet]

her fade isnt shown to be canon

[viscid flame]

I refuse to believe Moira is just walking everywhere all the time

[ivory garnet]

thats what we have to believe until its proven otherwise

[peak escarp]

who?

[ivory garnet]

the person you were replying to is who they were speaking of

[peak escarp]

oh lol

[slow nymph]

Yoo idk if this is where I would post this but what ever lol

I had this new character idea for a support its kinda dumb since it's hard to come up with a support who's main abilities are fire base

new healers idea
name is combustion. He was a former astronaut who was sent to help lunar base horizon when it went into chaos but while exiting hyperspeed the engines burned out and the rocket was stuck in a lunar drift for 100 years floating through cosmos and galaxies until one day he ran into a solar nebula and entire body was burnt to ash as his mind was left to wonder the rest of the universe. As the solar nebula which his body was no destroyed by cooled down it gain a new body one of a god but the mind of a man sent to stop chaos and cosmos. With the help of blackwater sigma who was told by the universe itself sigma hid combustion from everyone as he got used to his body just like sigma. Now with the flames of the gods he wishes to ignite the flames of everyones heart into peace. His kit Consists of 3 main abilities a passive and an ult. His passive burn off when low hp or has 0 cool downs him and his teammates slowly heal all status affects are 50% weaker. His e is burn the wall. It is a gaint wall that burns enemy's and heal teammates while providing cover for 5 seconds the timer is 12 seconds Does 15 hps and 10 dps his left shift is called sparked shock. It implants a spark on the enemy kinda like discord and after enough damage done to them the target will explode doing 160 damage and healing done to them is significantly lowered. For his last ability it is called flash fire you are allowed to select 2 teammates and for 3 seconds a spark is implemented in them and depending on how much damage they do or take they gain overhealth accordingly. For example 300 damage would be like 150 overhealth for his ult inferno a gsint wave of heat is shoved over the field as teammates and himself gain extra overhealth and are given flash flood sparks and enemies are given a weaker variant of spark shock also for his main weapon he throws fire balls that linger that heal teammates and damage enemies like bap direct hits heal more. The aoe is similar to baps

Like I said most of it is kinda bs but it is hard to make a fire base healer that would fit overwatch playstyle

[rare trail]

seems like a contender for most powerful

[slow nymph]

Like in lore wise for sure

[rare trail]

also wdym "the gods"