lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

unknown

she doesn't use any pronouns to talk about her crush

[ivory garnet]

its a voiceline with tracer right?

or was it sombra?

[peak escarp]

she has one with Tracer, one with Pharah about borrowing her wings for "inspiration", and one with Lucio about writing lyrics

she also mentions poetry with Hanzo

[ivory garnet]

yeah its tracer when she mentions about her “crush”

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/8eSUXCmD9PU

the poetry might not be related to her crush

[ivory garnet]

she has separate voicelines with tracer

sombra is about poetry

[peak escarp]

she's got a few about poetry

[ivory garnet]

Tracer: So what have you been up to? Seeing anyone?
Brigitte: Oh my gosh, Lena.
Tracer: Sooo... that's a no?
Brigitte: I'll... tell you later.

[peak escarp]

with different heroes

[ivory garnet]

seems quite big on poetry lol

[peak escarp]

would be fun if we could get a wedding themed season, and have Lena and Emily finally get married

they've been dating for at least 6 years

[wind portal]

If only Hana and Lucio had more interactions outside of what they have in their voicelines

[ivory garnet]

they’ll probably have their first canon interaction during PvE

[ivory garnet]

reinhardt in a tuxedo armor set 🙏

[peak escarp]

just give a bunch of heroes formalwear skins

[ivory garnet]

would definitely be cool if they were to do that

but i dont think they would give an entire season its theme for 1 playable character

[vocal marsh]

Widow bride skin

[vocal marsh]

Season 3 starts in February sooo… /j

[peak escarp]

they could find a way to make an event out of it

[vocal marsh]

Is Lunar New Year Event after BFO

[peak escarp]

yes

[vocal marsh]

Like right after?

[peak escarp]

starts next tuesday

[ivory garnet]

next season will maybe be something to do with lunar new year

[vocal marsh]

Ah

[ivory garnet]

would be cool atleast

[vocal marsh]

Wait but BFO has 7 more days

[peak escarp]

LNY is next week

[limpid agate]

If they did that, it would be season 4 since that overlaps June

Maybe 5

[vocal marsh]

Also why was BFO started on a Thursday instead of Tuesday

[peak escarp]

Lunar New Year event starting January 17 through February 1

[limpid agate]

All updates other than season starts since OW2 dropped were on Thursdays

[peak escarp]

This new limited-time event will start on January 5 and last until January 19.

BFO and LNY overlap by 2 days

[ivory garnet]

we’d probably get atleast 3 new LNY skins

[limpid agate]

We have 1

[vocal marsh]

Mei

[peak escarp]

yeah there's only 1

[ivory garnet]

unfortunate

[peak escarp]

unless they add more that they haven't shown

[ivory garnet]

thats what im guessing

[vocal marsh]

Have they had a zodiac based skin every year?

[peak escarp]

no

[limpid agate]

They usually dont

[peak escarp]

the only year they did was Bastion's Rooster skin, I think

[vocal marsh]

Was Baihu dropped last year

[limpid agate]

No, and if it did that isnt zodiac based

[peak escarp]

Baihu was 2018

[ivory garnet]

who could possibly be the next hero (the support) do you think it could possibly be a new character or someone from Yokai?

[vocal marsh]

It would be

If it was last year

[vocal marsh]

I think blizzard has given hints saying that there were clues on Midtown and Esperanca

[peak escarp]

they said those clues were for future story, not specifically heroes

[vocal marsh]

Ah

But I think someone new

Another Yokai would be too soon

Also I’ve heard Ana and Sombra were meant to be launch characters and Echo was meant to be a OW2 character is that true?

[limpid agate]

No

[ivory garnet]

i would wonder what faction the support will be from

possibly null sector aswell?

[limpid agate]

We will know in Season 3

too early to say who for certain

[ivory garnet]

you think we would get an origin story from them too on release, and maybe even sojourn’s cinematic finally

[peak escarp]

Ana and Sombra were in development before launch of OW1

[vocal marsh]

Also in Recall Sojourns pic was shown longer and more visible than the others, was that intentional?

[peak escarp]

but they were planned for release post-launch

[ivory garnet]

the pictures sped up then sped back down to show tracer,

[vocal marsh]

Ik

But sojourns was in that list

But I feel it was more clearly shown comparatively

[ivory garnet]

it was obvious we’d get her as a hero at somepoint, but I feel it was just a narrative tool

to show that this person will be in lore

[vocal marsh]

She was also hinted at I think in Storm Rising

Actually she was in it but

[ivory garnet]

yeah she was talking to the group

[vocal marsh]

She was hinted at being a bigger character

[worthy rose]

Yes I'm pretty sure Echo was supposed to be an OW 2 char

That's why she doesn't have an OW 1 skin

[ivory garnet]

or they just couldnt change her design

[peak escarp]

there's no lore reason to give her a new design

since she went straight from the pod to go help Winston

[ivory garnet]

argued with someone once that they give echo no attention, because they didnt give her an ow2 design

and they called me biased against echo

even though i stated she had no time to do anything as reunion was close to zero hour, and the first thing she did was go to him

[peak escarp]

and also post-Zero Hour... there's nobody around who could improve Echo's design, since Dr. Liao is dead and Torbjorn probably wouldn't want to mess with her

[ivory garnet]

they brought up the argument that she could get armored plates, but echo’s design is supposed to be moving swiftly through the air

armored plates would just slow her down

[deft prairie]

MCCREE

[peak escarp]

?

[ivory garnet]

he has a lny skin yeah, but not a zodiac one

[light adder]

when ramattra says that pharah was "one of anubis's jailers" what does that mean

[peak escarp]

Pharah's team are the ones who guard the place where Anubis is quarantined

[light adder]

what is anubis

[peak escarp]

Anubis is the god program that caused the omnic crisis

[ivory garnet]

is it a physical matter?

like a person

[peak escarp]

no it's a computer program

an AI

[light adder]

why does ramattra say that she shouldve destroyed it isnt he an omnic too

[peak escarp]

Ramattra sees Anubis as a failure

[ivory garnet]

what were to happen if Anubis “got out” or leaked

[peak escarp]

another global crisis most likely

good thing Pharah already stopped it

[light adder]

even after it almost destroyed humanity?

is ramattra a perfectionist

[peak escarp]

humanity won the crisis, Anubis lost

[ivory garnet]

was it in her comic

[peak escarp]

yes

[ivory garnet]

ooh okay, ima read that one rn then

[limpid agate]

Ramattra hates Anubis. He talks about it in his short story, Reflections

!!lorestories

[twilit nacelle]

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Code of Violence: https://bit.ly/33CeroL
Yōkai: https://bit.ly/3UDJzKb
Reflections: https://bit.ly/3FiMNx2

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[wind portal]

Did we ever find out how Dr Liao died or was it just natural circumstances?

[ivory garnet]

explosion

pretty sure

[peak escarp]

she died in an attack on her lab

[ivory garnet]

if you look in echo origin, it shows Mina Liao flying back

[peak escarp]

probably by Talon

When Liao was killed in an attack on an Overwatch facility, Overwatch’s leadership feared the potential of such a robot without Liao’s careful stewardship. All development on Echo was shut down, and the robot was placed into quarantine.

[worthy rose]

Apogandolas luces

[keen summit]

Imho rama is so well written

Happy kiriko isnt the norm

[worthy rose]

Is Suzu canon?

[keen summit]

Probs not

We saw everything exceot that in her short

It also seems to be a smoke bomb in all her animations still so i wonder how last minute the smoke to suzu change was

[misty pasture]

sigma lore >>

[keen summit]

funny how hes legit a hero who was made really quickly

while kiriko was more than a year of time to write

yet sigma is way better written

[worthy rose]

You guys are gonna overhype him to the point where he becomes overrated, if not already

need one to chill with idc if you good dont be loud

[keen summit]

not saying hes the best in writing

[ivory garnet]

was abt to say lol

he has no writing to his name

[keen summit]

hes better than kiriko who had more time

[keen summit]

he does have better characterization and more originality in it + what he does have is better written

than kiriko who had more time

cuz sigma we know had less than a year as the actual character

cuz he first was mauga and then was changed to sigma cuz the kit didnt fit but they liked the kit too much to scrap it

[worthy rose]

Soldier is fucking gay?

Where in hell do y’all find this info?

[keen summit]

bastet story

[worthy rose]

What is that

[keen summit]

a short story novel

about ana with soldier in it too

[worthy rose]

!!lorecomics

[keen summit]

just look up bastet

overwatch

[worthy rose]

!!loreComics

Bruh

[keen summit]

its a physical book

[worthy rose]

Oh

[keen summit]

...

[worthy rose]

bruh

You know what maybe I shouldn’t ask about stuff I don’t know about

[keen summit]

you can be interested in someone without being in a relationship

[worthy rose]

My b

[worthy rose]

Not even that

[keen summit]

by that logic you cant be straight when ur single

[worthy rose]

You can know your sexuality without being in a relationship

Real question

[keen summit]

ik thats what i meant

[worthy rose]

Is Winton straight?

[keen summit]

not important

its a fucking monkey

[worthy rose]

Actually very important

I think as an ape he’s probably straight but it isn’t important because I don’t think he can get bitches anyways

Will we get more genetically modified monkeys

[keen summit]

likely no

[worthy rose]

sees female monkey
“Do you wanna hear my favourite joke about the periodic table?”
Winton rizz

Rizzton

[keen summit]

sexuality really doesnt matter

[worthy rose]

I just realised how much sadder the lore would be if Ana had been turned into a Talon sleeper agent instead of Amelie

Yeah their lives are on the line, the last thing they should be thinking about is rizzing

[dawn topaz]

there has been homosexual behaviours between gorillas that have been observed

[worthy rose]

Irl?

[ivory garnet]

winston has shown no love interest

[bleak kayak]

winton loves all

[worthy rose]

And all loves Winston

[keen summit]

There is no reason to just establish sexuality for all heroes

This isnt apex

Im all for representation but make it subtle atleast, treat gay relationships the same as straight ones and also dont make a huge deal about it

R6 and ow do that really well

[ivory garnet]

only sexualities we know of is ana, soldier, tracer, reaper, genji, and mercy

and its not dire to the story to learn abt sexualities

[keen summit]

Cuz it should be considered normal, not OH WOW LOOK AT ME IM THIS. like if it feels weird to hear people say that shit when you replace it with straight its probs bad writing

[mighty widget]

☝️

[keen summit]

And torb + genji amd mercy technically arent confirmed + all those technically could be bi

But yeah

I think the best way is to do it like r6 and ow do already

[mighty widget]

i am convinced that reaper isnt all so straight either tho 👀

[ivory garnet]

you’d be wrong then

[keen summit]

If soldier was straight the story wouldnt change, there arent big pointers with him being gay, no lines about hpw much he likes men

[ivory garnet]

its confirmed reaper is straight

[mighty widget]

it wasnt a confirmation tho

it just showed that he apparently had a family

[ivory garnet]

its confirmed he is straight through many sources

[mighty widget]

what sources?

they just showed the weird lore that no one liked

they didnt say that he was in fact straight

[keen summit]

The only thing we habe os a short bit that wouldnt chamge if ot was a guy or a girl and its not treated like "omg you had a bf?! Are you a minority?! How did it feel to like men? We love you for who you are soldier!" No its just like it was nothing special cuz it shouldnt be. It shouldnt be a personality trait, a bad thing or even a sad thing. It should just be normal like it should be irl

I hate it when stories do that

Im highly passionate about good writing sorry for the rant

[mighty widget]

i don't always mind it, sometimes its nice to have that type of story feel relatable to people

but yeah not in overwatch

[keen summit]

Its good to have representation

[ivory garnet]

1: Soldier and Reaper play opposites of eachother, Soldier gay, Reaper straight. Soldier is Catholic, Reaper is Atheist, Soldier is a country boy, Reaper is from the city
2: Its only been shown he has been straight with 0 interest into the male gender, he has an ex-wife and kid due to him being presumed dead
3: He still very much has feelings FOR his ex-wife

[keen summit]

That i agree on

[mighty widget]

since overwatch is also in the future like i cant see people even giving a shit about it anymore lel

[keen summit]

Thats the point yeah

[mighty widget]

lol thats not really good proof

[ivory garnet]

if you dont believe me, then believe Doctor Six as she explained it earlier

[ivory garnet]

you have 0 ways to speculate Reaper is bi

[keen summit]

Imho its good aslong as its done as tracer fir example

[mighty widget]

there is actually better proof of them being together than just saying that he is supposed to be a polar opposite

that would make the story kinda boring

[ivory garnet]

what proof is there of them being together

[mighty widget]

uh why not lol?

[ivory garnet]

he tried to kill soldier in cold blood

[keen summit]

Tracer isnt defined by being a lesbian, shes her own person with her own goals and personality, she doesnt hit on all females or something just is a normal person who happens to be lesbian

[mighty widget]

there isnt any fully yet, but there is some fruity things that have been spilled through the years

[ivory garnet]

soldier left his relationship because it wasnt healthy due to him being in a relationship with fighting/war

[ivory garnet]

list them?

[mighty widget]

and that was before they made soldier come out

[keen summit]

This is what i hate tho

Making stereotypes is basically whst it is

[mighty widget]

yeah, but there is like an image from the comic i think, where i dont remember if it was reaper or soldier who literally a picture of one of them in their office

like idk about you, but i dont keep a singular picture of my closest friend on my desk or something

[keen summit]

It was everyone together

[ivory garnet]

^

[keen summit]

As comrades

[mighty widget]

no it wasnt there is another pic like that

i could try and find it

[keen summit]

Gp ahead

But reaper isnt the type to do thay

[mighty widget]

why wouldnt he, i mean their relationship was much more stronger than it was with Ana

ana truly felt like a best friend to them

imo

[ivory garnet]

Ana and Soldier was a stronger relationship than Soldier and Reaper

[keen summit]

This one has soldier and his ex

[ivory garnet]

and Soldier has a photo of him, reaper, and ana all together on his desk

[mighty widget]

thats not the one i mean

[mighty widget]

nah it became stronger tho

because of what happened to reaper

[ivory garnet]

what?

[mighty widget]

jeff kaplan himself said it

[ivory garnet]

reaper tried to kill soldier

how did it become stronger

[mighty widget]

as i said

thats when reaper turned into the reaper

then they werent friends anymore

so it was more Ana and soldier time lel

[ivory garnet]

Reaper, Soldier, and Ana were always a trio

[mighty widget]

exactly

[ivory garnet]

but Ana and Soldier had a better friendship than Soldier and Reaper

Soldier trusted Ana way more

[mighty widget]

yeah but thats like now

[ivory garnet]

its always been like that

[mighty widget]

i dont think so

[ivory garnet]

Reaper and Soldier both aswell dont care about love interests now

[mighty widget]

yeah not now

[ivory garnet]

yeah because Reaper lost everything he had and Soldier left his boyfriend for war

theres 0 indications of Reaper ever having interest into men

[mighty widget]

but soldier doesnt have that either

he doesnt show all the time that he had an interest in men

until that comic came out which showed that he used to have a husband

and thats it

[ivory garnet]

it was confirmed on twitter he had a boyfriend..

[mighty widget]

yeah

i know lol

thats why i said

[worthy rose]

Isn’t he gay

[ivory garnet]

yeah

[ivory garnet]

because he doesnt care about love anymore, he has a relationship with war

[mighty widget]

I mean i believe it, i feel like there is pretty good evidence that shows that they might have had something together but it hasnt yet to show on the lore or anything

[ivory garnet]

and he obviously still reminisces his ex

theres nothing to show it

[mighty widget]

it goes deeper than you think

[ivory garnet]

its not deep at all

you’re speculating with 0 evidence to back it up

it can be seen as shitposting atp

[mighty widget]

i dont feel like writing to you a bunch of stuff that i found, because i can tell you are already the type of person to just deny it all

[ivory garnet]

i wont deny it if its actual good evidence

[mighty widget]

if you wanna look for why it could be a possibility then why dont you look it up

[ivory garnet]

if you know why its a possibility, then why not tell

[mighty widget]

because as i said. if i am gonna start writing everything down, first off that will be a lot of information and secondly you are just gonna deny all of everything i say

and i dont feel like arguing with some rando on discord lol

[ivory garnet]

i wont if its good evidence

[mighty widget]

i can send you some links

[ivory garnet]

and if you arent goingto believe me with what im saying, then believe Doctor Six who is very knowledgeable on lore, or just believe the source material itself

[dawn topaz]

What did I miss?

[mighty widget]

but doctor six just says the info thats only come out from blizzard

[ivory garnet]

she gives evidence that also comes from narrative designers

and pieces stuff together

[ivory garnet]

sexualities of overwatch heroes

[dawn topaz]

oof

I think that characters are asexual and aromantic until proven otherwise

[mighty widget]

https://segadores-y-soldados.tumblr.com/post/167321630835/everything-you-want-to-know-about-reaper-and

[ivory garnet]

thats what they should be known as yes

[mighty widget]

this is a bit old, but still has some info

[dawn topaz]

Oh is this about soldier x reaper?

[mighty widget]

i had a suspicion before soldier even was announced as a gay character

and then when they announced it

it made my suspicions even bigger

[mighty widget]

yea

i cant find the image tho with i think reaper in his office alone with jack's picture on one of the screens

i certainly remember that existing

[dawn topaz]

Yeah I don't buy it tbh, before his death Reyes had a loving wife and child that he cared about and after his death he only knows pain and suffering

[ivory garnet]

1: Soldier and Reaper “loved” eachother platonically as it said, they were war buddies, just like Soldier “loved” Ana platonically
2: Sprays and most skins dont ≠ canon

Reaper wouldnt cheat with Soldier when he had a family

[dawn topaz]

exactly

And Jack was probably still thinking about Vince all the time

[ivory garnet]

Reaper was a douche at sometimes, but he isnt an asshole like that

[mighty widget]

fine you guys dont have to believe

after all it is a theory

but i do believe in it

[ivory garnet]

Reaper and Soldier both still reminisce their past relationships

[dawn topaz]

Reaper is like Shadow the Hedgehog in that regard, he's rough on the outside but cherishes his loved ones dearly

[mighty widget]

but bi people still exist

[ivory garnet]

never been shown

[mighty widget]

omg yea it hasnt

[dawn topaz]

ok but bi people also don't cheat on their partners

[mighty widget]

but it doesnt mean he ISNT xd

uh

whatever

[ivory garnet]

and theres 0 ways to speculate unless you bring non-canon stuff in like the tumblr blog did

[gray kayak]

Fan fiction is not canon and shouldn't be discussed here.

[mighty widget]

its not non canon

its all in the game

or stuff that was either in the comics

[ivory garnet]

gameplay ≠ canon

sprays arent canon

[mighty widget]

okay fine

[gray kayak]

There is a photo of John and Reyes but speculating that they are bisexual as a result is fan fiction.

As an example.

[ivory garnet]

its not odd that friends take photos with eachother

[dawn topaz]

I'm open for a reaper x soldier relationship in some way, but at this point in time it's at most wishful thinking

[ivory garnet]

it would also make 0 sense in lore

[dawn topaz]

yeah it would take alot of good writing up to that point for something like that, plus time would have to pass for them to evolved as characters, and Jack doesn't exactly look like he'll live that long

which is why they also most likely won't bring the story forward in more extreme ways (like killing off one of the heroes)

[ivory garnet]

Jack also left his boyfriend because he wasnt committed to the relationship they had due to Jack being more committed to his job and love of war/fighting

[dawn topaz]

Sigma Male Grindset

[limpid agate]

Neither of them are bisexual\

Jack is explicitly gay.

[gray kayak]

I know, at least as far as canon is concerned.

Which is why I asked the person to stop.

[limpid agate]

Even the photo doesnt really apply as evidence however.

There is a photo of Torb and Rein

[gray kayak]

Correct, it does not.

[ivory garnet]

he was just giving an example on how a picture of them doesnt mean they’re gay for eachother to a recipient above

[limpid agate]

Okay I misunderstood

[dawn topaz]

Alright, more power scaling questions because I've got nothing else to do

Can the overwatch cast beat the team fortress 2 mercs

Medic's contraptions seem to outperform alot of overwatch tech with full invulnerability, a shield and the ability to revive people (mvm), but at the same time, uber needs to charge

[ripe axle]

Hi, is there any explanation of how dead eye works for Cass?

[ripe axle]

It would probably end in a stalemate

Or endless battle at least

[dawn topaz]

Here's the thing though, like...3-4 of the mercs don't need medic to revive them, medic included

[limpid agate]

Yes

Easily

[dawn topaz]

how though

[limpid agate]

He uses it in Reunion.

Its just a standoff

[limpid agate]

The mercs are largely just regular humans that are batshit insane.

[dawn topaz]

Scout is not just a "regular human"

He's god's gift to women

[limpid agate]

Like I said

[dawn topaz]

that's kind of a big deal

Can Sombra hack things that run on batteries?

[limpid agate]

If its a computer, yes

[dawn topaz]

Would this count as a computer?

[ripe axle]

lmao I did not expect to see a sapper

[worthy rose]

Im pretty sure she can only hack things that are wireless or have some kind of electromagnetic or radio connection idk I’m not a computer science major

Basically she probably can’t hack into your blender

[rare trail]

yeah i would expect that

so like genjis cybernetics cant be hacked

[peak escarp]

she can hack anything with a computer

[sharp trench]

feel like it’d go both ways

Sapper is a form of ECM

[rare trail]

i wish sombra would be more like spy

the hacking thing is so annoying in game

not lore related though

[sharp trench]

scout is also in touch with God or something so

[rare trail]

wdym in touch with god?

he almost died

and he met god

[sharp trench]

something around the lines of that

[rare trail]

but like hes as in touch with god as anyone else

i mean he has personally seen him

but i think like sniper probably saw god when he died

this is tf2 lore not overwatch lore though

is an afterlife canon in overwatch?

like the iris exists

[sharp trench]

no probably not

[rare trail]

idk

like the iris can make machines sentient

[sharp trench]

tbh im inclined to believe tf2 mercs win

[rare trail]

im gonna be honest overwatch wipes tf2 team

maybe if tf2 team is defending they win

overwatch is pretty weak but tf2 team just has guns

they do have uber though

[sharp trench]

nah tf2 wins if they have heavy and medic with ubercharge

heavy solos no cap

[rare trail]

sniper outsnipes widow

source i said so

[sharp trench]

widow crutched on visor

[peak escarp]

visor just lets her see through walls, it doesn't make her shoot better

[sharp trench]

seeing through walls kinda big if it also illuminates the enemy you see

though shes probably not as good of a shot if she missed volskaya fleeing

could’ve def shot her

[peak escarp]

she almost did

she hit Volskaya's earring

[sharp trench]

panicked shots probably not the best to do as a sniper

[peak escarp]

she wasn't panicked

she had the shot lined up but Volskaya's bodyguards pulled her out of the way

[sharp trench]

didnt she take like 3-4 shots

also wtf going on between ana and rein
does rein know ana isnt dead

[peak escarp]

not yet

but Mercy will probably tell him

[worthy rose]

TF2 wins, the lore behind each character is insane, hell sniper could probably kill the entire cast on his own that's how stupidly insane they srey

Are*

Trust me I wish overwatch won the match up

But lore wise TF2 wins

[peak escarp]

TF2 has lore?

[worthy rose]

Yeah

Sniper is a monster in lore

So is heavy

Soldier

Demo

Ect

[dawn topaz]

He's gods gift to women, an with how god reacted when scout told him nobody really slept with him, it makes him seem highly homophobic

Spy could also probably do alot of damage to most overwatch characters due to their technology based lifestyle and his sapper

and if we assume that his face masks are just a visual gag and for teammates to know what spy is disguised as, then he could easily be as dangerous, if not more dangerous than sombra

[rare trail]

It’s pretty much just a line of comics

[rare trail]

He can disguise as anyone

Like how he disguised as Tom jones

And if the battle is happening during Halloween they can make demomans eye a hazard for all

Scout gets bodied tbh

He’s really weak

[peak escarp]

but they're all just ordinary humans

[rare trail]

They have Uber charge which makes them invincible

Medic might be able to raise them from the dead

I mean medic has revived sniper before

Spy could probably instakill anyone

Overwatch does have a 3:1 numbers advantage

[peak escarp]

well that's boring

there's no risk if people can just be brought back

at least in Overwatch people stay dead when they die

[rare trail]

revive does take time though

and if australium exists they just cant be killed at all

we dont really know engies power level rn

we know he can teleport

tf2 team probably wins

i imagine sniper can kill winston with a well placed shot

[ivory garnet]

says for anyone in overwatch

and almost any other media

[rare trail]

even if widow lands a shot on sniper he can just be revived by medic

[ivory garnet]

and what if she kills medic first

[rare trail]

then overwatch might win

but that depends if medic positions himself wrong

[dawn topaz]

he has the power of telling god to send another flood, plus this guy feasts on radiation

[ivory garnet]

if its all vs all

they could probably kill medic no problem

widow could tell hanzo where he is

and scatter arrow

[dawn topaz]

medic would just come back from the dead anyway

you'd have to kill him like...8 times?

since he has the souls of his teammates in hell

[worthy rose]

Now hold on

Team fortress mfs have god on their side?

[rare trail]

yeah

[rare trail]

and satan

[worthy rose]

Bruh

[dawn topaz]

well not really on their side

[rare trail]

medic can come back from the dead

[dawn topaz]

satan just cant do shit against medics tricks

[rare trail]

he can revive people

engineer can make the non dying machines

assuming there is australium

[dawn topaz]

but australium is so rare

[ivory garnet]

spawn camp

[worthy rose]

What else is goku in team fortress too?

This shit is pure fantasy

[dawn topaz]

yes and his name is tom jones

[rare trail]

ubercharge + heavy kills everything pretty much

spy can do a ton to all of them

i think overwatch loses

symmetra might do a lot though

[worthy rose]

Of course they do

[rare trail]

and orisa

[peak escarp]

so what we've learned here is that it's unfair to compare OW heroes to characters from other games since the power scale is completely different

[rare trail]

ow loses i think

[worthy rose]

^^^

[dawn topaz]

skill issue

[rare trail]

i think tf2 beats ow

[ivory garnet]

not surprised as OW is the weakest blizzard verse

[worthy rose]

Okay nerfs genji

[peak escarp]

it's the most grounded in realism

[rare trail]

medic kinda carries tf2 team

[ivory garnet]

easy to kill for overwatch ngl

[peak escarp]

even with some scifi elements

[worthy rose]

It’s realistic futuristic

[rare trail]

medic has like 8 souls he would just come back

[worthy rose]

Except the part where sigma comes in

[ivory garnet]

spawn camp

[rare trail]

bc no one would protect medic

[ivory garnet]

i mean if they’re trapped in a room

[peak escarp]

even Sigma is at least given a scientific explanation

[ivory garnet]

and hanzo uses scatter arrows

they could also very well Zarya grav and dragon

[peak escarp]

the only ones who aren't are Kiriko, the Shimada and Zenyatta

[ivory garnet]

just like pvp would

[dawn topaz]

Actually, we can already take scout and thus god out of the equation because he dies in five nights at freddy's 2

[ivory garnet]

actually just a mock series bruh💀

[dawn topaz]

Alright, I'll try to make the fairest fight possible without counting all the crazy comic shit from tf2

Scout is an easy pick

he dies.

[worthy rose]

If they’re trapped in a room many things can be done, Reinhardt can team kill, junk rat ult, Cassidy ult, dva ult, doom fist ult, ball ult, junker queen ult, actually almost every ult in the game works

[ivory garnet]

junkrat ult hasnt been shown

[worthy rose]

Wdym

[ivory garnet]

cassidy ult is just heightened senses

ball ult hasnt been shown

[worthy rose]

Oh so we’re talking lore wise

[ivory garnet]

yeah..

[worthy rose]

Okay I feel you hol on

Lemme think

[ivory garnet]

just grav dragon

[worthy rose]

Anything can work with grav

Reinhardt

[ivory garnet]

death blossom

[dawn topaz]

Let's assume this ain't canon for the sake of bullshit

[rare trail]

ubercharge

[worthy rose]

Genji ult we know it is cannon

[ivory garnet]

bro💀

[worthy rose]

Tf is uber charge

[rare trail]

invincibility

[dawn topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-uber-tf2-ubercharge-charge-gif-25046008

[ivory garnet]

if gintama was a comic series and game:

[dawn topaz]

it's basically fortify

but on crack

[rare trail]

yes

[worthy rose]

Is rally ult canon?

[rare trail]

no

[worthy rose]

Bruh

[rare trail]

ow gets bodied

scout can throw his uhh mad "milk" everyone gets lifesteal

[dawn topaz]

but anyways, soldier would be easily dealt with because his iq is very low

[rare trail]

sniper has chemical warfare pee

[dawn topaz]

the question is, is mad milk canon?

[rare trail]

im p sure all weapons are

[worthy rose]

Wait brig can add her shield to Reinhardt’s shield I think that’s canon

[rare trail]

yes

[worthy rose]

Okay so they all just shoot behind the shield

Ez win

[dawn topaz]

I'd say for a fair fight, let's only use stock + any known weapons that appear elsewhere, like jarate, the quick fix, etc.

[rare trail]

saxton hale vs all of overwatch

[worthy rose]

Also canonically sombra is powerful her invis is really good and she can shoot while invis iirc I think it’s just her hand that appears

[dawn topaz]

I do believe tf2 could lose very easily

[worthy rose]

We just need Reinhardt’s shield

[rare trail]

okay so tf2 has
teleportation
revives
magic pee that makes you deal more damage
invincibility

sentry

dispenser

[gray kayak]

I'm beginning to forget which server I'm on with all of this TF2 talk

[worthy rose]

Overwatch has spinning Reinhardt shield ez win

[rare trail]

i think tf2 wins

theyre down in numbers but that doesnt matter when you have infinite lives

[worthy rose]

Infinite lives?????

How

[rare trail]

medic can revive

[worthy rose]

Okay?

[rare trail]

as long as medic is alive they have infinite lives

[worthy rose]

So just kill medic

Easy

[rare trail]

medic has many lives

like 8 ish

[dawn topaz]

Overwatch has:
Australians
teleportation
sentries
shield generators

[ivory garnet]

immor field

[rare trail]

and satan guaranteed 150 year life for medic so

[dawn topaz]

honestly medic would turn to overwatch's side to study their technology and have new test subjects

[worthy rose]

Bro all we need is two tanks and all support characters and they should be able to win

[peak escarp]

Medic and Moira would get along

[rare trail]

yeah

[worthy rose]

Dva to dive and Reinhardt to tank

[rare trail]

dive doesnt work against a sentry gun

[worthy rose]

Defence matrix

[dawn topaz]

the sentry gun when I shoot it:

[worthy rose]

On god

[rare trail]

also depends on if they have australium

[ivory garnet]

amplification matrix + bastion turret mode

[worthy rose]

Australians > australium

[rare trail]

spy can disguise as anyone

[worthy rose]

Holy fuck

[rare trail]

demoman has literally only drank liquor for the last 30 years and is fine

[dawn topaz]

I mean tf2 had a hard time against mutated bread

[rare trail]

mutated bread is insane though

[worthy rose]

Bruh 💀

[rare trail]

overwatch would get bodied by mutated bread

[worthy rose]

I’ve never played tf2 are y’all talking about actual bread?

[ivory garnet]

dont they have human level durability not counting uberwhatever

[worthy rose]

Yes they do

[worthy rose]

Just shoot it I guess

[ivory garnet]

looks like a forbidden object

[worthy rose]

Ana: sleep darts
Mutated bread: snores

[dawn topaz]

honestly just give the tf2 mercs tumors and they lose

after 3 days

[ivory garnet]

medic can revive people

but not get rid of tumors

[rare trail]

actually they didnt get tumors 🤓

[dawn topaz]

ribs also don't grow back in tf2, but everything else can get healed

[worthy rose]

Okay can mercy canonically revive?

[rare trail]

no

[ivory garnet]

no

[worthy rose]

Moira can can’t she?

[ivory garnet]

no

once ur dead ur dead in ow

[worthy rose]

Okay hear me out

[rare trail]

medic can revive his bird :)

[worthy rose]

One self destruct from diva is enough to win the war

[dawn topaz]

ok but if overwatch kills more than 2 mercs, medic will have a hard time keeping up with revives

[rare trail]

what if they like walked away

[worthy rose]

Okay okay

[ivory garnet]

zarya grav

[worthy rose]

Zarya grav

[ivory garnet]

feel as if overwatch can do it, just a matter if it happens perfectly

[worthy rose]

They need prep time that’s it

[dawn topaz]

yeah tbh

[ivory garnet]

who has better plot armor tho, Winston or someone in tf2

[worthy rose]

But if tf2 entered the over watch universe and did a surprise attack they’re done

Winton angry

Everyone die

[rare trail]

winton gets bodied by minigun

[ivory garnet]

immortality field

[worthy rose]

Overwatch have a minigun

I don’t know if immortality field is canon Ngl

[ivory garnet]

it is

[peak escarp]

it is

[worthy rose]

Nice

[ivory garnet]

its in New Blood vol 5

[dawn topaz]

I mean, tf2 mercs have like, no armor, too

they'd drop like flies

[peak escarp]

but it has only been used to reduce the effects of an explosion

unknown how it would work against bullets

[worthy rose]

It’s called immortality field

[ivory garnet]

if tf2 has human level durability, OW would have no problem killing them, they’d just have to get the chance to

[worthy rose]

Aka prep time

[ivory garnet]

cuz they could do many things

zarya grav + reinhardt shatter and all of a sudden medic is the only one coming back

but they could continue to just spawn camp him

[peak escarp]

it's just a name, it doesn't actually make you immortal

[worthy rose]

Wait don’t overwatch have more people that just aren’t part of overwatch?

Would Reinhardt’s dead leader be in the war?

[ivory garnet]

we’re only using alive named characters

[worthy rose]

And all tf2 characters are alive?

[ivory garnet]

yes

the mercs are all alive from my knowledge

[peak escarp]

doesn't TF2 take place more than 100 years before Overwatch?

Overwatch is set in the 2070s

[ivory garnet]

if so, then technology alone could kill the mercs

and what if we just let Anubis out and get into their systems

🤷‍♂️

[rare trail]

yes

tf2 takes place in like the 1980s

[ivory garnet]

so they have cold war technology

[peak escarp]

oh I thought it was 1960s

[rare trail]

i mean they have a bit more than that

i dont remember teleportation in the 80s

[ivory garnet]

eh true

couldnt sombra hack their devices aswell

does medic use a device to revive?

[rare trail]

no

[dawn topaz]

yes

[ivory garnet]

as in a computerized device

[rare trail]

uhh

maybe

i think he uses a defibulator

[dawn topaz]

he uses like, these ghostbusters traps

[rare trail]

i need to reread the comics

[rare trail]

im talking about when he revives people in the comics

like sniper and archimedes

[dawn topaz]

Then he just points his medigun at it and heas as the bodyparts come connect back together

[ivory garnet]

😧

[rare trail]

yeah he has a few ways to revive people

[dawn topaz]

he also has a shield

medic tank confirmed

oh yeah the shield also deals damage

[ivory garnet]

how does it deal damage

[dawn topaz]

it's like, science bs

they run at it and get disintegrated

[ivory garnet]

scott pilgrim typa verse bruh

[rare trail]

yeah

tf2 is kinda op

[peak escarp]

games with canonical respawning are weird

[ivory garnet]

anyways, lets get back to ow lore lol

turned into a “how satire the tf2 verse can be”

[peak escarp]

yeah

any hopes/predictions for the story mode?

[dawn topaz]

bastion being recolored into null sector colors and being a spy

and infiltrating some null sector unit

[peak escarp]

they used Bastions 7 years ago, during the Uprising

[ivory garnet]

doubt Null Sector even knows of his existence

[peak escarp]

but those bots were made using old tech

I don't think they'd keep using an outdated model like the Bastion

[ivory garnet]

they use their own bots now

[dawn topaz]

I don't see why not

if it ain't broken don't fix it

[peak escarp]

they have access to better tech now, thanks to Talon

[dawn topaz]

better tech?

There is no "better tech"

there is only bastion

[ivory garnet]

materials, omniums, etc

[peak escarp]

newer models of omnics

like the Puller

[ivory garnet]

which one is that

[peak escarp]

using a Bastion is like using a WW2 tank

[ivory garnet]

you think bastion’s ult can be canon if torbjorn mods bastion?

[dawn topaz]

Ok but who couldn't use a ww2 tank

[peak escarp]

it was shown in 2021 - she pulls you in and kills you with her "hair"

[ivory garnet]

seems likely

as she has talons for hair ends

[rare trail]

i thought tank form was canon

[ivory garnet]

tank form is yes

[rare trail]

i mean didnt we see it in kings row uprising mission?

oh you mean artillery

[peak escarp]

if you had access to cutting edge tanks, why would you continue to use WW2 tanks?

[dawn topaz]

Because they are sick

[ivory garnet]

yes, his ow2 ult not ow1

[rare trail]

yeah its probably possible with modding

[dawn topaz]

To quote hanzo, the modern ones would be "too easy to kill with"

[rare trail]

fr

chad bastion vs virgin modern tanks

[dawn topaz]

Plus how many of your friends could claim to have a cool ww2 tank? Exactly

Everyone has the new tanks

[peak escarp]

it doesn't matter how cool they are

[dawn topaz]

To you, maybe

[rare trail]

bastion is kinda outdated though

[ivory garnet]

Ramattra definitely would use the ones that can get the job done easier

[peak escarp]

if you're trying to win, you'll use the strongest option

which isnt Bastion

[dawn topaz]

if you need to use meta to win that's a skill issue tbh

[peak escarp]

I'm talking about in war

[ivory garnet]

i mean overwatch uses double shields so

[dawn topaz]

same here

[peak escarp]

nobody talks about concepts like "meta" in real world combat

[dawn topaz]

I mean, even in real life certain weapons and other things get banned for usage in war

so I don't see why nobody uses the word "meta" alongside real word combat

anyways we are straying offtopic

[rare trail]

does ana use necrotic rounds?

[ivory garnet]

no

biotics

[rare trail]

the purple ones are just regular bullets?

[ivory garnet]

i mean they’re still darts

and she doesnt kill her enemies anymore

[rare trail]

theyre just like anesthetic?

[ivory garnet]

ig so

[rare trail]

thats lame how does she expect to like take down talon without killing anyone

like

idk

[ivory garnet]

seems perfectly fine by me

she is still alive after all

[rare trail]

ig so

[sullen warren]

they should just send genji

[merry mason]

why assume that the tech came from talon

[chrome grotto]

Yes. I believe a lot of tech is readily available considering Efi made Orisa out of an OR15.

[dreamy epoch]

mother...

ahem

[ivory garnet]

Talon funds Null Sector

[ivory garnet]

doomfist knocked genji back into earth when they fought

and reaper is arguably stronger than doom

[worthy rose]

No

Reaper is god

[dawn topaz]

I really dislike that animation because it's pretty inconsistent

In one shot doomfist has to track tracer and genji and block their attacks

in the next he just stands there and takes it as if nothing is happening

[ivory garnet]

because he thought they’d actually do damage

he has best defense always active

[peak escarp]

rule of cool

[plush shuttle]

So my friend had about 400 hours as genji but his ps broke and he got a new xbox, is there a way for him to recover that account and all the stuff he had? He Probably had 15 gold weapons

[soft jay]

log back in idiot

[languid urchin]

Mei feet?

[toxic verge]

💀

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[modest raft]

In lore is mercy a heal bot?

[wheat birch]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/overwatchlove/smash-or-pass-these-overwatch-2-characters-b7w2n8sti1 OW2 BUZZFEED SMASH OR PASS QUIZ!!

[vale knoll]

No

She has a voiceline about boosting when you boost someome

And healing

She also has damage beam in one of her highlight intros

[modest raft]

I didn’t know if anything in game was canon because you have voicelines between characters working together who realistically never would

[peak escarp]

the voice lines in the game are hypothetical

[vale knoll]

Well

If you can damage boost in the story mode i think that makes it canon

[fallow quail]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/overwatchlove/smash-or-pass-these-overwatch-2-characters-b7w2n8sti1 hey i made a buzzfeed quiz today if u guys would check it out it would be greatly appreciated 😊

[peak escarp]

no

[fallow quail]

u dont need to say no just ignore it and keep moving

[peak escarp]

no

[vale knoll]

No

[ivory garnet]

no

it would have to be shown in a comic or cinematic

[sullen raptor]

Only kiriko does that so far

I mean a child able to lift an axe and do full throw 360' spin while sprinting? Lol

[shadow iris]

is briggets dad reinhart or torbjoun

[keen summit]

Torb

Rein is her godfather

[warm locust]

I've noticed that yellow is always a color to represent healing, tranquility or well being in general
And purple, on the contrary, being a color to represent destruction, damage and well
Pain
And just recently i have noticed that pretty obviously, Ramattra is the inverse of Zenyatta, with Zen healing and helping with a huge yellow aura while Ram destroys and takes away life also with aura, which is purple in his case
I don't know if it is just something I'm making up while talking about this, buuuut i feel like Rammatra has more arms inspired in Zenyatta's ascension (his ultimate)
So, in reference to the power of the Iris, he has a pair of extra arms to make allusion to this

[keen summit]

Yoy are wrong in one aspect

Zen isnt the opposite, hes the balanced

Mondatta is opposite of rama and sen in in the middle hence why he has discord andharmony orb

[misty pasture]

Is there a Lucio origin/lore video ?

[warm locust]

That does make sense

So we are yet to see an omnic which is fully peaceful?

A hero omnic at least

[wind portal]

you can be peaceful and still be okay with fighting if there's no other option

which is the case with zenyatta

[warm locust]

I meant in the way of balance

If Ram is complete discord, Zen is balanced

[keen summit]

Well there was

Hes dead now

[warm locust]

Oh

[keen summit]

Mondatta

Rama and zen's master

He only spoke

Instead of taking action

Zen helps people but doesnt take large action

[worthy rose]

So did Moira change Widow?

[limpid agate]

Physically, yes

[worthy rose]

Oh okay, I'm still learning new stuff about Moira

I also wanna know, are Moira and Mercy ever Rivals? Do they hate each other?

[limpid agate]

They're not rivals

Moira adapted Mercy's tech and thinks Mercy is too narrow minded for not fully exploring her research, but respects what she has progressed on.
Mercy dislikes Moira for reusing and weaponizing her research, and also just not having any care for scientific morality at all.

[worthy rose]

Ohh okay.

[merry mason]

is blizzard world real

[vocal marsh]

Irl no

But in game the heroes have voice lines about it and while they aren’t canon, it shows they know it exists

[limpid agate]

It exists in the lore if that's what you're asking

[silent schooner]

Zenyatta and Mondatta, and maybe Bastion and Orisa

[alpine pawn]

almost all omnics we see are peaceful lmao

[silent schooner]

Bastion is peaceful now but hasn’t always been

Orisa isn’t 100% passive like Zenyatta and Mondatta

[vocal marsh]

What characters haven’t answered Lucio’s animal question

I can think of Ana

And Orisa

[peak escarp]

Cassidy

Tracer

Hanzo

[vocal marsh]

Ah

[peak escarp]

Lucio needs to answer his own question

[vocal marsh]

I still find it funny that Doomfist likes starlings

Also interesting that Zen and Ram both answered ants

Also Reaper/Soldier haven’t

[sleek thunder]

Doom OP

[young slate]

I think it’s obvious what his favourite animal is if there what u think

[peak escarp]

it is obvious, but so is Kiriko's

[young slate]

If that’s what you mean*

[peak escarp]

and she answers

[young slate]

I’m so sleep deprived I can’t type properly

Also was baps answer tiger shark

[vocal marsh]

Yeah

[steady cedar]

junkrat >

[ivory garnet]

unfortunate

[past copper]

Failing to see what’s unfortunate here

Clearly nobody is at liberty to discuss the story mode at the moment

Or any of the revealed behind the scenes

[ivory garnet]

that we arent getting the sojourn cinematic any time soon

[peak escarp]

we'll get it when we get PvE

[ivory garnet]

Gavin already discussed that they have high hopes for it

[peak escarp]

having high hopes doesn't mean they can talk about it

[ivory garnet]

dont see why they need to atm, we could still be seasons out from getting it

[past copper]

Or we could be getting it for what was once the Archives event or even in the summer

Either way, it takes time and preparation

Players just need to be patient

How’s the saying go? Rome wasn’t built in a day

[vocal marsh]

Is that Murphy?

[peak escarp]

yes that's Murphy

[vocal marsh]

Also are Max and Efi the only significant characters with voice actors that aren’t in the game?

Out of the still alive characters

[peak escarp]

plus the NPCs in the cinematics

like Alejandra's mother, Pompamoto, Mr. Yoshida and Akari

depends how significant you think they are

[worthy rose]

By peaceful he means a pacifist, none of the mentioned omnics fall under that except Mondatta, who isn't a playable char.

Bastion gets close, but still I wouldn't say he is completely peaceful

OW 2 Orisa is a straight up murder machine

[ivory garnet]

bastion is quite a pacifist

he hasnt killed anyone yet

[peak escarp]

someone has a list of heroes who haven't killed anyone

[vocal marsh]

To our knowledge or we know for a fact?

[peak escarp]

as far as we've been told/shown

[crystal gazelle]

i dont know much about lore but Im tryna make mercy pockets in my canon

[wind portal]

Mercy is one of them I believe

[rustic heron]

CAP

[peak escarp]

heroes who have not killed anyone: Bastion, Kiriko, Lucio, Orisa, Sigma, Zenyatta
heroes who have not killed any humans: Brigitte, D.Va, Echo, Mercy, Mei, Orisa, Reinhardt, Sojourn, Torbjorn, Tracer, Winston, Zarya
heroes who are likely to have killed: Ashe, Baptiste, Hanzo, Junker Queen, Ramattra, Wrecking Ball
heroes who are confirmed to have killed: Doomfist, Symmetra
heroes who have killed on-screen: Ana, Cassidy, Genji, Junkrat, Moira, Reaper, Roadhog, Soldier, Sombra, Widowmaker

[golden oak]

A frog obviously

[ivory garnet]

feel as if Hanzo likes wolves as his favorite animal

it could match with his wolf skins (tho not canon)

[golden oak]

If we’re going by skins then
Ana - owl
Orisa - beetle

[ivory garnet]

well Ana and Orisa never answered

[golden oak]

Cass doesn’t have an animal skin afaik but I’d say coyote or something

[ivory garnet]

so

Cassidy would most likely choose a western animal, so I’d say a coyote aswell

and plus Hanzo fits the wolf type, though not having a pack

he fits the “lone wolf” trope

[golden oak]

Ana is considered a wise character which is associated with the owl and also owls are birds of prey and Ana is a sniper so kinda fitting as well

[ivory garnet]

and Orisa just looks like a beetle

wouldnt be surprised if she said dog thougj

because doesnt she have a dog emote

[golden oak]

Her head is bug like but her body is horse like (she even has a voice line with Hanzo asking him if he wants to ride her to battle)

[ivory garnet]

she could choose different animals

[golden oak]

Ngl that would fit her since she’s was made to be a companion

[ivory garnet]

i have no idea what tracer’s would be

[wind portal]

tracer would probably be a cheetah

[golden oak]

She’s a pilot right? Some bird maybe then?

[ivory garnet]

falcon?

[golden oak]

What about a bird that is also really fast

[ivory garnet]

a falcon

fastest breed of falcon can reach 240mph

which is the fastest bird in the world

[golden oak]

Did pharah say her animal?

[ivory garnet]

i believe everyone has besides 5 people

not including lucio

[golden oak]

Did sigma say it?

[peak escarp]

Sigma hasn't

[golden oak]

What about pharah

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/Mdrdzlhl4pk?t=162

[ivory garnet]

winston has us as his favorite animals :]

[golden oak]

Pharahs response doesn’t really fit her, I guess that’s why I didn’t remember it

[ivory garnet]

she is talking about old mongolian war dogs?

[rustic heron]

top ten monkeyws

[peak escarp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_Bear_Dog

[ivory garnet]

ah

quite cool

[wind portal]

cuties

[golden oak]

I like how Ram and Zen have the same answer

[wind portal]

tbf ants are cool

[peak escarp]

and for Zarya... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Giant_rabbit

jeez these are huge

[ivory garnet]

holy

Sigma would be funny if he said shrimp

[peak escarp]

he should say tardigrades

[ivory garnet]

such an ugly animal

[rustic heron]

ong

[vocal marsh]

Though Doom and Genji's are unexpected

[ivory garnet]

2 spreads of PvE units we may face

we MAY also fight a Titan class omnic

unless its just for background purposes

and its possible we may fight null sector Or14s and Bastion models

Bastion model on the left, Or14 on the right

[wind portal]

I hope the null sector omnics are hard, considering we know how well developed they are

[ivory garnet]

the difficulty will go up depending on who you are facing

because theres null sector bots

(the ones we saw in Zero Hour)

and advanced Null sector bots

that have a reddish orange armor

elite troopers ig

[wind portal]

can we also just appreciate d.va's mech kinda looking smug

[ivory garnet]

we could expect a mission thats in Korea/Busan

and we fight gwshin or null sector

[wind portal]

Gwishin sounds cool tbh

[ivory garnet]

i hope they expand the gwishin more

[wind portal]

I prefer their omnic designs to the null sector even if they're the lesser omnics combat wise

[ivory garnet]

i just hope we get an arc in the PvE that expands on them

they have amazing designs

[wind portal]

d.va lucio pve arc in busan

[ivory garnet]

speaking from the robots we saw and bastion’s gwishin design

and where do they come from

who is their maker/leader

[wind portal]

man it would be really nice if we get a rammattra boss fight though since he's appearantly going to be a major part of the null sector fights

[ivory garnet]

I think we will

would be a big let down if we didnt

[wind portal]

I want it to be hard

[ivory garnet]

they’d have to gigabuff him

[wind portal]

then Ram learns talon is bad and joins OW

[ivory garnet]

(pve only)

feel as if Overwatch will destroy him completely

[wind portal]

Zen might prevent that

if Zen is a part of the fight at all

which is a big possibility

[ivory garnet]

we’ll see though, because we did see Genji with Zen

so maybe he brings Zen to the ow hw

[wind portal]

Zen would also be the only one to convince Ram given their history in the past

[ivory garnet]

hq

interesting though is that Widowmaker and Sombra are seemingly tryingto assassinate zen?

with some foot soldiers

certainly cant wait for that section

[wind portal]

I doubt they'd be able to since Zen didn't seem phased and Genji is more skilled than both Widow and Sombra

I would assume Zen is also more skilled since he was in part responsible for reforming and training genji