so reaper is four rn
#lore-discussion
rare trail
dry trail
Dang Broski
rare trail
five this year
dry trail
Ur shitposting to
peak escarp
we don't know that
rare trail
but rn hes 4 or 5 right?
peak escarp
we don't know what year OW takes place in
crisp falcon
Yeah he could be dead or sm rn
peak escarp
so we don't know what year he was born
rare trail
54 years in the future i thought
dry trail
so we don't know what year he was born
Thats what i thought
peak escarp
it's "something like 60 years" from 2013-2016
dry trail
it's "something like 60 years" from 2013-2016
Cap
Overwatch came out about 7 years ago
peak escarp
which is some time in the 2070s
peak escarp
Overwatch came out about 7 years ago
OW development started in 2013
crisp falcon
which is some time in the 2070s
Damn imma be mad old when that year rolls around
dry trail
OW development started in 2013
Is this lore related?
peak escarp
yes
dry trail
Thats right, dont shitpost again.
crisp falcon
It’s like the Big Bang in their universe
crisp falcon
Thats right, dont shitpost again.
I think you just learning it’s definition has given you a power trip
rare trail
the date overwatch the game came out has no bearing on what year it is in the overwatch timeline
dry trail
I think you just learning it’s definition has given you a power trip
Lets keep this channel lore related. Please refrain from shitposting.
peak escarp
don't minimod
crisp falcon
Lets keep this channel lore related. Please refrain from shitposting.
Lmao
I didn’t even do anything
dry trail
don't minimod
Using fancy words is minimoding?
peak escarp
telling other users to stick to the rules is minimoding
dry trail
And is that against the rules?
crisp falcon
I’m not even gonna bother
dry trail
I didnt think so
peak escarp
it's not against the rules, but it is annoying
if you have a problem, contact modmail
dry trail
It seems ur the only one with a problem here buck,
peak escarp
buck?
crisp falcon
Isn’t it buckaroo
tall sleet
who cares move on
peak escarp
shadow marsh
Jesus, y'all need to know when a person is trolling you just to see your reaction.
peak escarp
here's the ages of all the heroes
tall sleet
Jesus, y'all need to know when a person is trolling you just to see your reactio...
TRUE
peak escarp
oh I know they're trolling, I just want them to take it too far and get banned
dry trail
zen is not 20
peak escarp
he is
dry trail
Hes not Periodt
tall sleet
speak your truth fr
dry trail
Female
tall sleet
yes so true
peak escarp
dry trail
Cap
tall sleet
any news on the pve / story mode for epic lore updates
peak escarp
not yet
tall sleet
dang flabbit
ivory garnet
^^ on wiki
and the wiki is all correct
peak escarp
it's mostly correct
there are some things that aren't sourced that people keep adding
ivory garnet
matters how much you guys (idk if its all of you lore regulars or just Taiga) recently check the wiki for mistakes
peak escarp
the wiki itself is not a source and shouldn't be treated as one - it's just a place to gather information and link the appropriate sources.
ivory garnet
the narrative design team is getting hyped up
i hope he is right about what he is saying
i have high hopes for the PvE
especially if its ever evolving
wind portal
https://twitter.com/GavinEtc/status/1613252575167676416?s=20
when d.va betrays overwatch and joins talon
peak escarp
no
wind portal
If it's not that type of crazy then it's not crazy imo lel
peak escarp
that's not crazy, that's just throwing out the lore
wind portal
with how many plot holes exist in OW lore atm I'm not expecting much from the narrative team as much as I enjoy the stories
peak escarp
what plot holes?
wind portal
not explaining reinhardt's mysterious 'retirement' from overwatch, Ana's lore just in herself amongst a bunch of other reasons
peak escarp
that's not plot holes
that's just missing information
there's not much "mysterious" about his forced retirement - a mission went badly, Reinhardt took the blame
wind portal
from the voice lines it seems like reinhardt didn't want to take the blame though
peak escarp
if it was his fault, then he didn't really have a choice
wind portal
imo, it sounds like a sabotage of the mission from someone rather than it being wholly reinhardt's fault
peak escarp
Sombra's voice line about it sounded sad... maybe he has a degenerative disease that he's hiding from Brigitte
wind portal
maybe, or she understood how hard of a situation it was for him to take in, and he's still hiding some feelings about it
peak escarp
maybe
wind portal
an overwatch member betraying their captain would be very traumatizing
sullen warren
genjis is definitly the best hero
peak escarp
after hearing her interactions with Sigma, Sombra has a lot more heart than I gave her credit for
rare trail
I think it’s kinda cool how there’s some in game counters and stuff that works for lore too
Like orisa is good against doom
wind portal
after hearing her interactions with Sigma, Sombra has a lot more heart than I ga...
Sombra doesn't care about talon she just wants secrets to finally be let out
which... tbh there are better ways for her to do it but she's more morally grey then the rest of talon
sullen warren
i mean lore included or excluded i think we can all agree genji is just top iter
peak escarp
no but she seems to genuinely care about Sigma
rare trail
genjis is definitly the best hero
Wdym best
sullen warren
like best story best gameplay
rare trail
Idk
wind portal
no but she seems to genuinely care about Sigma
She knows Sigma doesn't belong there
rare trail
I like sigma a lot
peak escarp
eh, Genji isn't that special
rare trail
I like his lore but sigmas is cooler imo
sullen warren
yeah but can sigma ghost dash?
peak escarp
Sojourn is cooler
sullen warren
dont think so
rare trail
yeah but can sigma ghost dash?
Ghost?
wind portal
man a few of reaper's voicelines against moira it kind of sounds like he just wants to be human again
peak escarp
he didn't ask to be turned into a wraith
sullen warren
Ghost?
its when you dash instantly after getting the reset, and you skip the animation
rare trail
Tbh I think reaper would’ve preferred to die at Switzerland than turn into a wraith
sullen warren
i mean i dont see sigma doing anything cool like that
wind portal
I think there's a reason he wanted to visit Mercy and not just the 'kill her' tactic
sullen warren
mercy and ana are like close second though
rare trail
i mean i dont see sigma doing anything cool like that
Have them land on head during flux
sullen warren
nanoblade for the quadra is nice
or the constant damage boost
lets me carry
so idk
peak escarp
gameplay isn't lore
sullen warren
im talking about lore
rare trail
Mercy and genji don’t have much synergy
wind portal
im talking about lore
no you're not lol
peak escarp
ghost dashing isn't lore
wind portal
the whole anubis storyline is very interesting tbh
sullen warren
yeah agreed
especially when nasus walks in and starts q resetting
while in ghost
rare trail
Mercy and genji are good friends but in game they don’t work well together
sullen warren
yeah they do
wind portal
especially when nasus walks in and starts q resetting
I just recently fully quit league for valorant so that doesn't interest me anymore lmao
rare trail
Not really she can’t follow him into enemy lines well
sullen warren
the damage boost is wild though
you're combos are much more consistent
one shotting
it depends on the mercy
rare trail
But mercy can’t damage boost you that much bc you are usually very far up
peak escarp
again, gameplay isn't lore
sullen warren
im talking about lore, again
rare trail
Is damage boost canon?
peak escarp
no you're not
peak escarp
damage boost has not been seen in canon
rare trail
Saving genjis life doesn’t make damage boost canon
sullen warren
and in the overwatch cinmeatic genji vs hanzo you can see him ghost dashing
wind portal
@peak escarp do you think Reaper has the strongest chance to reform and join overwatch? or do you think Sombra would be the first one
rare trail
and in the overwatch cinmeatic genji vs hanzo you can see him ghost dashing
No you dont
sullen warren
its really fast, so you have to play genji to really notice it
peak escarp
<@207741110838231042> do you think Reaper has the strongest chance to reform and...
I think Reaper has 0 chance of reforming
rare trail
I don’t think overwatch would take him
peak escarp
he is too far gone
wind portal
I wouldn't say 0, he has hatred for Moira
peak escarp
also yeah, Overwatch wouldn't take him
rare trail
He doesn’t ghost dash in dragons
sullen warren
yeah he does you dont notice it
becauyse you dont play genji
you dont have the perception
peak escarp
he doesn't
wind portal
They wouldn't take him again nah
peak escarp
stop shitposting
sullen warren
??
rare trail
Genji mains don’t act elitist challenge
wind portal
but I think what's more likely to happen is that Reaper goes rogue or something, or just straight up retire
peak escarp
Reaper doesn't need Talon to do what he does
they're just convenient for him, and it's where Moira is
rare trail
Why is reaper in talon anyway?
sullen warren
why would overwatch take reapear though, they have genji to deflect his ult
rare trail
Does he need Moira or something?
peak escarp
because Moira is with Talon, and she saved his life
wind portal
He straight up warns Jack to not chase him in a voice-line which imo shows a bit of humanity
peak escarp
and I assume she's maintaining his condition
rare trail
why would overwatch take reapear though, they have genji to deflect his ult
We don’t know if genji could deflect all of those bullets
wind portal
well, he told ana to tell jack to stop chasing him
sullen warren
it depends on genji tbh
wind portal
why would overwatch take reapear though, they have genji to deflect his ult
#overwatch for gameplay
sullen warren
i think hes skilled enough
rare trail
He has a similar voice line with mercy
sullen warren
<#109672661671505920> for gameplay
im talking about lore
wind portal
No, what I'M talking about is lore, what you're doing is flooding the channel with stupid stuff not tryna mini-mod, just getting incredibly annoyed
rare trail
Genji doesn’t ghost dash
sullen warren
you just watched it?
rare trail
He might not be able to deflect death blossom we don’t know
rare trail
you just watched it?
Yea
sullen warren
maybe if he has mercy with him
wind portal
you just watched it?
most abilities in game are just representations of what they actually do in lore
rare trail
What time in the vid do you think he ghost dashes
limpid agate
Deflect and Death Blossom are both nothing special
limpid agate
We've seen both in the lore
limpid agate
No it isn't
rare trail
maybe if he has mercy with him
Why would mercy make him better at deflecting
sullen warren
gf buff
limpid agate
We see deflect in Dragons
sullen warren
most likely
wind portal
No it isn't
Maaz is a troll, I wouldn't give them attention
limpid agate
He is just manually deflecting arrows and still gets pressured back
rare trail
idk about mercy and genji relationship in lore though
There’s a couple voice lines
limpid agate
Maaz is a troll, I wouldn't give them attention
If its a troll then report then
rare trail
Yeah I don’t think genji can deflect a gun
wind portal
If its a troll then report then
Six already told them to stop several times
rare trail
If he doesn’t see it coming
limpid agate
We have seen nothing to suggest he can stop bullets
rare trail
Like he’s deflected arrows which are a lot slower than a gun
peak escarp
Six already told them to stop several times
I'm not a mod here, just a regular
rare trail
And he deflected the bullets or whatever the omnic in zero hour threw at him
sullen warren
We have seen nothing to suggest he can stop bullets
idk have you seen me deflect a widow shot back at her head and get that insta kill?
limpid agate
Both Deflect and Defence Matrix only stopped slow projectiles
limpid agate
idk have you seen me deflect a widow shot back at her head and get that insta ki...
He cant do that
Gameplay != Lore
wind portal
I'm not a mod here, just a regular
you really should have access to mod perms atleast in the lore channel, since you're basically the gate-guardian of it lmao
limpid agate
Widow also isnt dead
rare trail
idk have you seen me deflect a widow shot back at her head and get that insta ki...
In game =/= canon
ivory garnet
pvp doesnt, some maps and voicelines indicate canon
ivory garnet
just modmail
wind portal
we talk about how good Ram's lore is
rare trail
I really like his idealogy
wind portal
and his connection to Anubis
sullen warren
give her some empathy
rare trail
can widow be normal again
Maybe
peak escarp
Widowmaker would need a lot of therapy to be "normal" again
sullen warren
her blackwatch skin is fye
rare trail
She might still have that lust for blood though
wind portal
Widowmaker would need a lot of therapy to be "normal" again
I don't even think she can feel emotions anymore
sullen warren
idk what happened
ivory garnet
her blackwatch skin is fye
genji’s?
sullen warren
no widows
ivory garnet
I don't even think she can feel emotions anymore
she can
wind portal
considering what happened when she had that shootdown with ana
sullen warren
talon*****
limpid agate
Genji had nothing to do with Widow
sullen warren
her talon skin not her blackwatch mb
peak escarp
I don't even think she can feel emotions anymore
her emotions were suppressed by Talon
limpid agate
The two never met
ivory garnet
that was the whole point of her speech in Alive
limpid agate
Why would they
ivory garnet
she feels pleasure when she kills
wind portal
that was the whole point of her speech in Alive
killing is her only way of letting her emotions out is what I got
ivory garnet
and she still visits Gerards grave
rare trail
she feels pleasure when she kills
she might only feel pleasure bc of the brainwashing talon did right before she killed her husband
ivory garnet
she may have inhuman emotion yes, but she still has it
rare trail
Widow has emotions they’re just suppressed
sullen warren
from a nuerological perspective, they probably brainwashed her by depleting her dopamine levels, and artifically inducing dopamine levels whenever she gets a kill, and training her that way, so that she only feels good whenever she gets a kill, therefore making her addicting to killing.
just a theory though
ivory garnet
from a nuerological perspective, they probably brainwashed her by depleting her ...
didnt brainwash
sullen warren
i thought they did brianwash her
ivory garnet
conditioned
rare trail
“Intense neural conditioning”
peak escarp
they used neural reconditioning to turn her into a sleeper agent
rare trail
I consider what they did brainwashing but
ivory garnet
she wouldnt remember her husband if they brainwashed her
peak escarp
after the kill, she went back to Talon willingly to get them to make the feeling go away
rare trail
she wouldnt remember her husband if they brainwashed her
They just brainwashed her to be a sleeper agent not forget her life
sullen warren
I think they did brainwash her
ivory garnet
they didnt
sullen warren
conditioning her is not as extreme
ivory garnet
wasnt supposed to be extreme
rare trail
the process of pressuring someone into adopting radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible means.
sullen warren
I mean when she grapples on a wall and gets that mid air headshot, thats pretty hard to condition
rare trail
I think they brainwashed her
rare trail
I mean when she grapples on a wall and gets that mid air headshot, thats pretty ...
She’s just good at aiming
ivory garnet
I mean when she grapples on a wall and gets that mid air headshot, thats pretty ...
its just aim
peak escarp
she was trained to be an excellent sniper
rare trail
the process of pressuring someone into adopting radically different beliefs by u...
They pressured her into different beliefs by using forcible means
limpid agate
Ult doesn't exist
sullen warren
my bad
limpid agate
Knock it off
ivory garnet
her ult is 50% canon, just works for her
rare trail
They forcibly pressured her into different beliefs
limpid agate
Evidently not
ivory garnet
pvp ≠ lore
limpid agate
What the fuck are you taking about
peak escarp
it's training
rare trail
i dont think grapple resetting is conditioning though
What?
rare trail
Grapple resetting??
sullen warren
What the fuck are you taking about
tf are you talking about
limpid agate
Lore
limpid agate
This is the lore channel. Not random gameplay
limpid agate
Gameplay is not lore
sullen warren
im talking about lore
limpid agate
Stop acting like it is
rare trail
Widow would need a lot of therapy to get back the way she was
ivory garnet
also Goose Boy, u can believe what u want, but you’d be wrong as the data straight up says “neural reconditioning “
sullen warren
no therapy could fix widow
once certain things are lost
they're gone
from a nuerlogical perspective
i mean
theres never been cases of empathy being
conditioned out of a person
ivory garnet
widow can be fixed, not perfect, but she can get well enough again
sullen warren
but if a person doesn't have empathy
rare trail
also Goose Boy, u can believe what u want, but you’d be wrong as the data straig...
Forcing someone to go through a recondition program which changes their beliefs is brainwashing
sullen warren
they simply lack the gene
peak escarp
she could use therapy to deal with the feeling of pleasure she gets from murder, rather than suppressing her emotions
limpid agate
She has empathy
rare trail
She doesn’t “lack the gene”
sullen warren
no she doesn;t
limpid agate
She just enjoys killing more, and her emotions were suppressed to not get in the way of the hunt
sullen warren
if she had emotions i wouldn't get headshot right out of spawn
rare trail
I still don’t think the surgery slowing her heart rate was a good idea
Like it’s impossible for her to blend in anywhere
ivory garnet
if she had emotions i wouldn't get headshot right out of spawn
thats why ana lost to widow
rare trail
She sticks out like a sore thumb
sullen warren
ana lost because there was no genji to nano blade
limpid agate
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
rare trail
Genji wasn’t in overwatch yet iirc
limpid agate
He was
rare trail
oh yeah nvm he was
sullen warren
!!shitposting
i think you're the one shitposting
tbh
Im tryna have a coherant and civilized discussion
rare trail
bc the only reason widow exists is because of blackwatch so it would have to be after genji
limpid agate
Then stop talking about gameplay
ivory garnet
ur bringing pvp into lore
limpid agate
Gameplay is not lore
rare trail
Is nano canon?
sullen warren
should be
rare trail
Fill in the blanks???
ivory garnet
we dont have the right evidence to speculate
peak escarp
lore is not about filling in the blanks yourself
rare trail
You can’t just assume it’s canon bc it’s in the game
limpid agate
The only evidence we have is an arm mounted dart exists
peak escarp
lore is about observing what we're given
sullen warren
lore is not about filling in the blanks yourself
well yeah thats why im here talking about it with you guys
limpid agate
What it does is an unknown
sullen warren
and also to find out more
rare trail
Ana has a couple canon skins right?
limpid agate
A few
ivory garnet
mhm
limpid agate
3 at least
sullen warren
i think sniper is canon
ivory garnet
not shown
limpid agate
Archives skins are not necessarily canon
For example, Equalizer
It's based on concept art
rare trail
Base skins
Corsair is the name but pirate
sullen warren
what genji skin is canon
rare trail
Wasteland is based off Ana concept art right?
sullen warren
i have all of them
rare trail
what genji skin is canon
Young genji
limpid agate
Just Blackwatch
rare trail
Blackwatch
sullen warren
his autos aren't has smooth on blackwatch though
ivory garnet
what genji skin is canon
base, blackwatch, and young genji
sullen warren
and young genji is just wack
rare trail
his autos aren't has smooth on blackwatch though
Autos?
rare trail
Again not lore related
limpid agate
Not a gameplay channel
ivory garnet
nomad would be cool to have it canon
rare trail
A more traditional shambali one could be cool for genji
ivory garnet
i do, but it’d be hard to fit the sword into canon
limpid agate
Its a cool skin but it's not very fitting for his post-Overwatch character
ivory garnet
dusk is my favorite canon skin imo
limpid agate
Which hero was that for
ivory garnet
reaper
limpid agate
Masquerade Reaper?
ivory garnet
shown in the short story
limpid agate
And Masquerade
ivory garnet
masquerade
sullen warren
does mcree smokes cigars or cigerettes
ivory garnet
cigars
sullen warren
i cant tell
ivory garnet
i believe so
limpid agate
Where
ivory garnet
i remember it somewhere
limpid agate
I dont remember
ivory garnet
let me find it
limpid agate
Him being Soldier 24 is different than the skin being shown
Like Winstons Specimen 26
peak escarp
iirc the skin itself isn't canon, but Reyes was Soldier 24 during the crisis
rare trail
Pumpkin is kinda canon
sullen warren
is pumpkin actually canon
limpid agate
Yes
rare trail
is pumpkin actually canon
Yeah it’s in a comic
sullen warren
it has the best guns
limpid agate
Those arent
limpid agate
It's just a Halloween costume he made
sullen warren
this is what im talking about
peak escarp
Pajama Mei is the same
sullen warren
shitposting
peak escarp
the skin is canon, but her gun never looked like that
rare trail
The guns aren’t canon from pumpkin skin
limpid agate
Because its a Halloween costume
sullen warren
yeah why would he make a half complete costume
limpid agate
None of the Halloween costumes have canon weapons
rare trail
why, because "it wasn't shown"
You think reaper changed the appearance of his guns put a lot of work and time Into them and then didn’t show them?
ivory garnet
its the same with alot of skins, there are minor changes to the lore ones and game ones
sullen warren
You think reaper changed the appearance of his guns put a lot of work and time I...
i mean maybe it wasn't relevant
limpid agate
She just made the Endothermic Blaster directly
ivory garnet
sombra talon is canon, although she has a different haircut
sullen warren
but he probably did
rare trail
but he probably did
Why would he
rare trail
to finish the costume
None of the others changed their guns
peak escarp
why would he need guns for a halloween costume?
sullen warren
for the penta death blossom
rare trail
Shitposting
And I don’t think he could do death blossom yet
He wasn’t experimented on by Moira
ivory garnet
widowmaker odile skin canon?
rare trail
Did reaper just have normal shotguns before Moira?
limpid agate
Whichever one is on the cover of Masquerade
ivory garnet
okay yeah
limpid agate
Did reaper just have normal shotguns before Moira?
And after
As seen in his short stroy
rare trail
I though he had magic hellfire shotguns after Moira
limpid agate
He didnt have them in Code of Violence and theyre not magic
ivory garnet
he had regular ones during dusk fit
rare trail
Does he have the infinite shotguns thing in lore?
limpid agate
Weve only seen him have 4 at any given time
rare trail
But like was he carrying four on him or did he like manifest them?
sullen warren
and you can spam reload
ivory garnet
also would we count Widowmaker’s talon skin canon? its nearly the same as the one in ana origin, just different top and headwear
peak escarp
he had two in his hands and pulled two more out of his coat
lunar dawn
dash feels clunky
keep this channel on-topic please
limpid agate
But like was he carrying four on him or did he like manifest them?
Hard to tell from the animation
rare trail
So he just has normal shotguns?
limpid agate
And his big coat
rare trail
But with a lot of ammo ig
peak escarp
it's the ammo that has special properties
limpid agate
Well, theyre not normal. Theyre cumbersome to reload and have necrotic ammo
peak escarp
when he shoots Soldier in Bastet they're loaded with necrotic ammo
limpid agate
also would we count Widowmaker’s talon skin canon? its nearly the same as the on...
Yeah it's the same outfit
rare trail
Necrotic?
ivory garnet
Yeah it's the same outfit
alr ty
rare trail
Oh
peak escarp
basically makes cells die
rare trail
That’s like a war crime
sullen warren
is that how reaper heals
rare trail
Literally
peak escarp
yup
rare trail
Chemical warfare I think that falls under
ivory garnet
is that how reaper heals
he is seemingly always healing and hurting
limpid agate
is that how reaper heals
No, he heals the same way as Jack, but at an accelerated rate
rare trail
Is soldiers healing station thing canon?
ivory garnet
yes
sullen warren
how do you know then
limpid agate
Anas twitter teaser
sullen warren
is nano boost canon
limpid agate
Scroll up
ivory garnet
she has her wrist device but it isnt shown what it is
limpid agate
We already answered that
ivory garnet
thats what Taiga said
limpid agate
Dont waste people's time
ivory garnet
they were getting the material you wanted
sharp trench
basically makes cells die
weapnized skin cancer
why necrotic shells though
seems really specific and bad especially if you’re shooting harder targets like omnics or smth
peak escarp
because it inhibits Jack's healing
sharp trench
so otherwise Reaper’s shotguns presumably use normal ammunition
sharp trench
Like it’s impossible for her to blend in anywhere
real world smurf
viscid summit
i’ve always wondered where do the junkers actually come into the overwatch lore, like junkertown is cool and all but it never crosses over with any of the main plots
apart from hammond ig
peak escarp
Junkrat's secret might bring them into relevance with the main plot
he found a secret deep in the omnium that Junkertown is built out of... the same omnium that Dr. Liao worked in before the omnic crisis
and since Dr. Liao made Aurora, I believe the secret he found is related to how Aurora gained sentience
wind portal
I'm still questioning the echo statues in the original anubis map tbh lol
peak escarp
it's just a different model of omnic
we've seen two omnics with that model
Echo and Leonora Botruvio
keen summit
and since Dr. Liao made Aurora, I believe the secret he found is related to how ...
Never expected fucking junkrat to be the one who might finally be able to explain the iris
keen summit
i’ve always wondered where do the junkers actually come into the overwatch lore,...
Also a way i could see it is the junkers helping ow not cuz of heroics but they can fight almost unlimited amounts of omnics!
keen summit
and since Dr. Liao made Aurora, I believe the secret he found is related to how ...
But i also noticed he has less bad lines to omnics now
Checked, he has none
Only lines are to echo and bastion and theyre not rude. Its legit friendly
viscid summit
Never expected fucking junkrat to be the one who might finally be able to explai...
what is the iris
i’m kinda new to this stuff
keen summit
what is the iris
i’m kinda new to this stuff
Good question!
viscid summit
oh
keen summit
Yea
We dont really have an answer yet, just that the shambali believes in it
It could be a program, virus, who knows it could be secret org behind the scenes but most likely a virus dr liao made by accident in aurora
Then basically aurora gave all other omnics that sapience
I have my theories but well the facts are aurora gave sapience by her sacrifice and shambali momks say that the iris granted them sapience and powers
keen summit
Personal theory is that as i saud i believe its a virus or program that just was made to make aurora as close to human as possible but it changed and made it really good, then aurora send her data to all omnics giving them the same sapience
keen summit
Doesnt explain the healing abilities from zen but eh
Also makes echo make alot of sense to why shes very human in how she acts cuz the same creator
Could even be that aurora much like echo was at first just learning but the program was too good basically
Making echo thematically the new aurora
viscid summit
which is why echo was given limits
viscid summit
oh-
keen summit
Keep in mind
What is ramas reason for acting now?
Cuz sentient omnics are finite
What if echo as liao said is there for a better future?
Second wave of sentience
Would stop ramas reasoning too
keen summit
Thats what i think is likely
viscid summit
so echo is gonna somehow stop omnics from being hostile?
keen summit
Not necessarily
If she can solve the problem of sapient omnics being finite
Then rama and overwatch can maybe have a place for omnics
Meaning null sector can be disbanded
And talon will be the main threat
viscid summit
If she can solve the problem of sapient omnics being finite
why exactly are they finite?
keen summit
why exactly are they finite?
Aurora's awakening was only one wave, only one generation
viscid summit
oh
keen summit
The new omnics arent sapient
viscid summit
they can only be programmed by the awakened omnics?
keen summit
The explicit sapient omnics we have are only zen bastion and rama
keen summit
they can only be programmed by the awakened omnics?
Also not, they are just robots
viscid summit
oh ok
keen summit
No will of their own
viscid summit
makes sense
keen summit
Unless programmed in
keen summit
So with my idea of echo beibg the second aurora basically could make it forever possible
keen summit
are they sapient
Only ours
viscid summit
interesting
keen summit
Hes the last one
The rest either died or were made after
Bastion was the only one from his generation who survived from what we know
And je gained sapience
viscid summit
alr
keen summit
But i like the concept of echo being the second aurora
viscid summit
yeah
keen summit
Cuz i dont see blizz killing off characters
Espec not a character like rama cuz hes a savior to omnics
viscid summit
yep
keen summit
I see him getting punishedcafter
And also amother note
Hos entire reason for usibg null sector omnics is cuz they arent sapient
Theyre just drones basically
So when they turn sapient he would never try to atk
Also spreads the messages of overwatch "everyone can be a hero" "fight fir a better future" lots of heroes fit these themes, even the "bad guys"
Moira is a hero to science cuz she does risky stuff. Doom wants a better future for humanity, rama for omnics
clear rampart
cassidy
keen summit
Only a few dont fot the themes
viscid summit
does whatever he wants lol
keen summit
And i wouldnt be surprised if it comes in later
viscid summit
ashe is pure evil tho ngl
clear rampart
cole cassidy
clear rampart
and a toxic fandom
keen summit
ashe is pure evil tho ngl
She wants to protect her new family
viscid summit
ohhh
worthy rose
She just wants the money
keen summit
One of those who dont fit is junkrat
keen summit
She just wants the money
Origin story.
viscid summit
One of those who dont fit is junkrat
however with the secret he might…
clear rampart
blackwatch genji was a menace
keen summit
however with the secret he might…
Edactly
clear rampart
if you wanna talk about true evil
viscid summit
what abt widow
clear rampart
blackwatch genji is the definition
viscid summit
isn’t she like a brainless monster
viscid summit
blackwatch genji is the definition
was that before he was trained by zen
worthy rose
Origin story.
She just wants money and to make her parents life hell
clear rampart
was that before he was trained by zen
yes
worthy rose
blackwatch genji is the definition
He's not put evil.
He's pure anger issues.
keen summit
what abt widow
Shes indeed one of those but thats the point, with her its about her maybe gettibg better future
clear rampart
He's not put evil.
He's pure anger issues.
true
keen summit
She just wants money and to make her parents life hell
She calls the gang her new family my guy
worthy rose
She just wants money and a family
viscid summit
does reaper still have full control of his decisions, like why does he do what he does
keen summit
Only real just evil hero is reaper imho
The rest have actual reasons
He legit just kinda is like grr angery
keen summit
He wasnt a bad guy, just acted on impulses
worthy rose
does reaper still have full control of his decisions, like why does he do what h...
Yes
worthy rose
was gabriel reyes ever a good guy
Yeah but jealousy and rivalry got him
It turned him into an 60 y/O edgy emo teen
keen summit
Exactly
The rest either has understandable reasons that dont feel explicitly evil
While widow is brainwashed like yes but she doesnt really have a choice
Reaper is just "grr me mad i kill!"
clear kestrel
or did jack getting the glory slowly turn him
Jack getting the glory was never the reason
Gabe wasn't fueled by jealousy
he just become disillusioned with Overwatch as an organization and his place in it
with how little change he was actually making
night escarp
life
keen summit
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul
Also important for Overwatch 2 is Cassidy's comic series, New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
quasi orbit
THANK YOU!! :D
keen summit
if you have any further questions do ask
only ones i really cant answer are bout ashe cuz have 0 interest in hers
quasi orbit
i do remember one of my friends said D.VA’s age was changed from 16 to 19, is that true??
keen summit
i do remember one of my friends said D.VA’s age was changed from 16 to 19, is th...
no
its false
she was a champ at 16 so there the misconception came from
she always in game has been 19
quasi orbit
oh i see, okay that makes alot of sense thank you ^^
keen summit
still hate to see so many people having misconceptions bout rama
like people say he hates all humans etc
rare trail
“If omnics are choosing death,” I said carefully, “we must take that choice away.”
i really like that line
keen summit
Yes
light adder
is reaper just soldier 76 but better
rare trail
is reaper just soldier 76 but better
he is more powerful but theyre pretty different
soldier is more long range
he has the visor
he isnt constantly in pain
but reaper beats soldier in a fight
i think its old soldiers or legacy where he does that
ana bails soldier out who reaper didnt want to kill so no one died
ruby rapids
@light adder Soldier is old but reaper has magic smonk powers so yeah.
twilit nacelleBOT
Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul
Code of Violence: https://bit.ly/33CeroL
Yōkai: https://bit.ly/3UDJzKb
Reflections: https://bit.ly/3FiMNx2
Overwatch Novels. Note: These books are not free, but can be purchased online from a retailer like Amazon (linked)
The Hero of Numbai: https://amzn.to/3lYlzRT
Deadlock Rebels: https://amzn.to/3PRgDMl
Overwatch: Sojourn: https://amzn.to/3z4mc47
limpid agate
im not sure about a child
He has a kid
raven oracle
he joined talon bc of moira i think
he didnt join talon because of moira he joined because of doomfists influence
when doomfist was defeated reyes talked to doomfist and doomfist told him something that caused his doubt in his head leading to black watch. Then right after with the entire situation and fight between reyes and soldier 76 which lead to the destruction of the Overwatch building he was saved by moira then he joined talon with moira and works for doomfist because he wants to build a better world. He has a wife and kid but he doesnt want to show his face to them because he believes they would see him as a monster but he still goes to visit them in the shadows
peak escarp
that's the ideology behind why he sided with Talon
peak escarp
but he literally joined Talon because Moira brought him to Talon when she saved his life
raven oracle
overwatch didnt end bc reyes and soldier fought
i didnt say it ended that way. The building got destroyed because of their fight
rare trail
oh mb i misread
raven oracle
overwatch ended because people didnt like them and wanted them to disband especially after what happened to antonio a respected man in the community killed by reyes
peak escarp
eugenicists?
raven oracle
IT depends. Null sector is being led by rammatra right?
peak escarp
Talon are not eugenicists
rare trail
like people who do eugenics
raven oracle
rammatra is fighting for the rights of robots
peak escarp
Talon are terrorists
raven oracle
Talon are terrorists
yes
rare trail
terrorists can be eugenicists
raven oracle
they believe they are trying to fix the world
but in reality its almost like they want to rule it
rare trail
"Eugenicists worldwide believed that they could perfect human beings and eliminate so-called social ills through genetics and heredity. They believed the use of methods such as involuntary sterilization, segregation and social exclusion would rid society of individuals deemed by them to be unfit."
this sounds a lot liek talons plan
rare trail
their plan to to get rid of the weak
raven oracle
moira has her own objectives
peak escarp
Talon's plan is to push humanity's progress through conflict
rare trail
thats eliminating the "weak" from the population
raven oracle
Moira and sombra made it clear " once talon no longer fit what they want they will leave
peak escarp
it's not about "getting rid of the weak" at all
rare trail
which changes the gene pool
raven oracle
yeah thats not the point of talon
peak escarp
no
"the strong survive" is never mentioned
Now, Doomfist has retaken his place in Talon, ready to drive the organization and humanity to its natural point of refinement through global conflict.
their plan has nothing to do with eugenics
rare trail
driving humanity to its natural point of refinement is eugenicist
peak escarp
eugenics isn't about the end goal, it's about the methods
and Talon doesn't use any of those methods
rare trail
if the method is purging humanity into a war where the weaker would die
thats eugenics
peak escarp
that's not their goal and that's not eugenics
eugenics is using breeding programs and forced sterilization to eliminate "weaker" genetics
peak escarp
Doomfist doesn't give a shit about the genetic qualities of humans
his concern is the progress of humanity as a whole
raven oracle
i feel @rare trail is trolling at this point
peak escarp
literally the only character who cares about genetics is Moira
and even she doesn't care about improving the genetic quality of humans - she just wants to push the boundaries of scientific progress
rare trail
im kinda disappointed kiriko doesnt use a sword in some way
raven oracle
she was trained to use a sword and could use one when she wants but its up ot her
kunais are her thing
ivory garnet
she gave up the sword when she was very young
she liked using the kunai more
glad she doesnt have a sword, gives weapon diversity to the japanese heroes, whilst them all still being some type if samurai/ninja
sullen warren
personally, I think the cyborg ninja genji has the deepest lore
limpid agate
Unless it was in Doomfist Origin, Genji was never shown to double jump
ivory garnet
wasnt shown in Doomfist Origin, he was boosted up by Doomfist hitting the ground
double jump has never been shown in lore
sullen warren
well whatever, i had my fun last night, later
opaque tundra
I finished Sojourn. It was extremely short and the prose had major first draft energy but other than that it was ok. For some reason I had a Mandela effect moment because I thought Ravagers were mentioned in the book and I was weirded out when I found out they weren’t lol
peak escarp
not by name
but there was a description that matches them
They’re creatures she’s never seen before, these menacing monsters the omnium has dreamed up in the dark. Tall humanoid robots reinforced with superhuman strength and speed, heavily armed. As soon as Chase and the doctor leap off the maglift, the omnics crash toward them.
opaque tundra
Yeah that’s all they did. I thought they had more of a presence but I guess they didn’t wanna give away too much lore
dawn topaz
she was trained to use a sword and could use one when she wants but its up ot he...
new kiriko ult when 
Anyways time to ask the most idiotic character scaling question: Who can beat goku
peak escarp
nobody in Overwatch
dawn topaz
What about talon or people outside of ow
peak escarp
OW is nowhere near that sort of power scale
limpid agate
No one in Overwatch can beat Spiderman
And Spiderman isnt near Goku's power level
Overwatch power scaling is pretty weak
dawn topaz
No one in Overwatch can beat Spiderman
Could Reaper or Moira use their "shadow step forms" to enter someones body and the re-materialize inside them?
limpid agate
I don't think it works like that
sharp trench
Could Reaper or Moira use their "shadow step forms" to enter someones body and t...
idk if they have shadow steps
they have the wraith thing tho
golden oak
Can somebody explain why pharah called kiriko a criminal?
dawn topaz
they have the wraith thing tho
that's what I meant
peak escarp
Can somebody explain why pharah called kiriko a criminal?
because Kiriko is part of a gang of vigilantes called Yokai
golden oak
because Kiriko is part of a gang of vigilantes called Yokai
Wasn’t pharah part of a gang too?
peak escarp
Pharah was in the military
and then in a private security firm
she's all about the law
Orisa and Pharah are probably the closest thing to cops that we have
and Reaper is an ex-cop
vivid delta
and then in a private security firm
I thought Prarah was part of a PMC , unless thats the same thing
peak escarp
yeah basically the same thing
Helix Security International is a private security force/paramilitary
golden oak
Oh ok because Soldier 76 doesn’t like Helix so I thought that was like a gang too or something
peak escarp
they basically filled the void when Overwatch was disbanded
limpid agate
He isnt
Helix Rockets have the name because they travel in a Helix
No relation to the company
Soldier is also an enemy of the American and Swiss governments
ruby rain
💀
young slate
No one in Overwatch can beat Spiderman
Sigma slams mcu spiderman, if ur talking comic spidey then no
limpid agate
MCU Spiderman is significantly weaker
MCU Spiderman is one of the weakest versions
He would also probably lose to Winston
And cant do anything to Orisa
Outside of MCU
No
Overwatch power scaling in general is pretty weak
golden oak
No relation to the company
I swear there’s a quote in the game where he says that Helix makes good stuff when he gets a kill with his rockets
raven oracle
because Kiriko is part of a gang of vigilantes called Yokai
what is hen- oh i mean yokai
peak escarp
limpid agate
Yokai is a gang of vigilantes based in Kanezaka
peak escarp
here's the article about Soldier stealing his gun from a decomissioned Overwatch base
limpid agate
Then why did you ask
frank portal
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/19809235/
I looked at this and thought it was a half life reference
golden oak
Helix didnt make his rifle
Maybe an error in translation then? I’m not playing an English version
golden oak
That line doesn't exist in English
Wow that’s so weird
light adder
who is jack
peak escarp
yes
light adder
oh i saw a voiceline where reaper told ana to tell jack to stop chasing him
peak escarp
yeah
Soldier is chasing Reaper, trying to get justice for what happened in Switzerland
light adder
what happened there
peak escarp
the building was sabotaged and blown up, with both Jack and Gabriel Reyes (Reaper) inside
they were both believed killed, but both secretly survived
Soldier thinks Talon/Reaper was responsible
worthy rose
Theory: Baihu Genji got a White Tiger spirit from somewhere to spite the Hashimotos
||It's a joke, no need to get all in my face about it||
peak escarp
the Baihu skin is a reference to the White Dragon of the Four Symbols of Chinese myth
this is a serious discussion channel, not the place for shitposting
worthy rose
Has Genji ever canonically wielded a sword other than his base Japanese versions?
peak escarp
as far as we know, no
golden oak
Why it says Catholic 💀
peak escarp
because Soldier is Catholic
golden oak
Oh
worthy rose
Soldier was a man of God
worthy rose
Until the Swiss base
golden oak
Then why it says nonbinary
peak escarp
it does't say nonbinary
peak escarp
it says
Reyes
Gabriel
06 0000 0024
AB Negative
None
Soldier and Reaper are basically opposites
worthy rose
Who has the highest body count?
golden oak
It looks like B ngl
worthy rose
Would it be Reaper?
peak escarp
Soldier is a farmboy, white, catholic, gay, single, universal donor blood type
Reaper is from the city, hispanic, atheist, straight, married, universal recipient blood type
highest on screen body count is Sombra I think
but Reaper has probably killed the most
worthy rose
How does Ana heal Reinhardt with her rifle
peak escarp
she uses healing darts
worthy rose
How would they penetrate the armour?
rare trail
did ana use healing darts during her time in overwatch?
worthy rose
She'd have to be shooting the back of his head
rare trail
i dont think ana can heal rein while he has his armor on
dreamy epoch
she's a good shot
worthy rose
Soldier is a farmboy, white, catholic, gay, single, universal donor blood type
R...
Lol he's gay and catholic
Doesn't sound very christian like
peak escarp
maybe by the 2070s people have gotten over it
worthy rose
I guess
peak escarp
there's plenty of gay catholics
worthy rose
Fair
peak escarp
they're just quiet about it
vocal marsh
Soldier is a farmboy, white, catholic, gay, single, universal donor blood type
R...
I think that would be AB+ because - can’t receive from +
ivory garnet
yeah i know what you mean
peak escarp
Soldier has always been married to his work, no time for family/relationships
ivory garnet
didnt he leave his boyfriend for overwatch
peak escarp
they broke up because Jack couldn't give him the attention he deserved
give him.” Jack sighed. “We both knew that I could never
put anything above my duty. Everything I fought for was to
protect people like him… That’s the sacrifice I made.”```and from Code of Violence, much of Reaper's thoughts are about his wife and what she would think of what he has become
it's clear that he still loves her
ivory garnet
yeah, reflections shows that too kinda
watching from afar as his wife and kid be with her new man
that was his kid though right? or the new guy’s kid
peak escarp
based on context I'd guess it's Reyes' kid
the flashback in CoV was on his son's sixth birthday
the kid in Reflections looks more like 11-12
which works with the timeline
it's hard to judge ages from art though
dreamy epoch
soldier is a real one for being committed
now he just has to
commit to better things...
limpid agate
Soldier isnt comitted
ivory garnet
he wasnt committed to his relationship
rare trail
hes just committed to bringing down talon ig
peak escarp
we have father/daughter with Torb and Brigitte
mother/daughter with Ana and Pharah
but no father/son or mother/son relationships in the heroes
ivory garnet
doubt we’d get another relationship like that along the line if playable heroes
peak escarp
maybe long term
but I don't see anything with the heroes we currently have
Reaper's son is too young, Genji/Hanzo's father is dead
and none of the other heroes' fathers/mothers are relevant
ivory garnet
if genji and mercy were to be confirmed, it would be the first “boyfriend/girlfriend” duo right?
peak escarp
it would
ivory garnet
you can make arguments of non-biological relationships like those
peak escarp
none of the other romantic relationships we currently have seem likely to make it into the game as playable heroes
Sam, Emily, Martina and Ingrid are civilians, Gerard is dead
Vincent is irrelevant
ivory garnet
it’d be hard to make a relationship like that unless it were to introduce an entirely new character
peak escarp
Brigitte has interactions hinting that she has a crush/new relationship though
we don't know who it is
it could be an existing hero, or someone new
ivory garnet
is she in her 20s?
ivory garnet
feel as if its someone who hasnt been introduced yet
cant think of anyone she would have a “crush” on out of anyone we have ever met
rare trail
do we know if brig is gay?