TIME TRAVEL ISN'T REAL EITHER
#lore-discussion
clear kestrel
rare trail
(lie)
ivory garnet
how is it a vibroblade when its just a regular katana
clear kestrel
omfg
rare trail
its just a really good katana
clear kestrel
there's no point arguing with you lot because you just refuse to understand these basic concepts
are you actually just trolling me now
merry mason
im just using that to say unexplained advances in technology
ivory garnet
ur making no sense in the logic you’re specifying
clear kestrel
for gods sake
rare trail
there's no point arguing with you lot because you just refuse to understand thes...
its just a good katana you have no evidence that its anything else
merry mason
why does the special tech need to be a revengance rip off anyway
clear kestrel
"lol a really good katana can just cut through a car unassisted lol"
no it fucking cant
merry mason
i never said that
rare trail
"lol a really good katana can just cut through a car unassisted lol"
no it fucki...
yes it can my guy
ivory garnet
yeah it can
clear kestrel
you have no idea what you're talking about holy shit
merry mason
wow these guys are insane ur rihgt
ivory garnet
you think theres no type of reinforced metal in the future?
clear kestrel
you can't comprehend the idea that that doesnt matter
ivory garnet
along with strength behind a cut
merry mason
it would probably crumple the car
clear kestrel
it doesn't matter how strong the material is
rare trail
you think that in 58 years it will be impossible that a katana can get more durable
merry mason
it's not just about being stronger
clear kestrel
DURABLITY
clear kestrel
holy shit you people just act like you know what you're talking about
rare trail
it wont shatter if it hits a car
clear kestrel
is it because you can't handle being wrong?
rare trail
you are the one who is wrong my guy
ivory garnet
you’re theorizing with no backup
clear kestrel
and you're theorizing out your ass and acting like you understand the subject matter
when you don't
sharp trench
if overwatch lore was realistic it would be much much different
merry mason
it would also somehow need to be way sharper than is possible
rare trail
it would also somehow need to be way sharper than is possible
genji is really strong it doesnt need to be really sharp
merry mason
or else the car would just crumple
ivory garnet
there has been no explanation on how or what material genji’s blade was made out of, best guess is its just reinforced metal from the future
sharp trench
consider this: overwatch lore is unrealistic so there's no point trying to add realism to it
rare trail
its just strong metal
its sharp enough that it would split a car instead of crumple it
genji is strong bc dragon
sharp trench
though a fully realist overwatch lore could be interesting this isn't it
rare trail
like through the rules set up in the overwatch universe its just a regular katana with a user whos really strong
clear kestrel
doesn't know how basic physics works
acts like they do anyway
rare trail
does genji and hanzos dad have a dragon spirit?
ivory garnet
you cant really expect physics to work like how it is irl man
sharp trench
why does genji have a katana that can cut through cars, hardened arms and deflect high velocity projectiles?
overwatch lore magic
merry mason
it's sliced through, not crushed. they would need to make some reason for the blade to be sharper than posible, no matter the srtength of the user
merry mason
why does genji have a katana that can cut through cars, hardened arms and deflec...
this is the real reason
ivory garnet
why does genji have a katana that can cut through cars, hardened arms and deflec...
genji doesnt use magic
rare trail
it's sliced through, not crushed. they would need to make some reason for the bl...
do you think its impossible for a katana to cut through a car at all? no matter how much force is behind it?
merry mason
not literal magic my guy
clear kestrel
you cant really expect physics to work like how it is irl man
well maybe you're right
Genji being able to fucking double jump should cause an explosion that should level a city
merry mason
do you think its impossible for a katana to cut through a car at all? no matter ...
if the blade isn't sharp enough it wouldn't be a clean cut
clear kestrel
but that's not the issue
sharp trench
genji doesnt use magic
the "magic" is the physics that are applied
peak escarp
why does genji have a katana that can cut through cars, hardened arms and deflec...
because Genj is a cyborg
clear kestrel
if you'd just said that from the start we wouldn't be having this conversation
rare trail
if the blade isn't sharp enough it wouldn't be a clean cut
so then, the balde is sharp enough
ivory garnet
if you'd just said that from the start we wouldn't be having this conversation
i said it earlier, so did someone else
merry mason
it can't be, blades can only get so sharp no matter what material they are made out of
ivory garnet
physics dont work the same in the overwatch universe
sharp trench
all it is is just overwatch lore saying it can do so
theres no point trying to apply a sense of realism or real world physics because this is a cartoon story and it wont work like irl because the authors decided so
rare trail
it can't be, blades can only get so sharp no matter what material they are made ...
its impossible for anything to cut through a car????
thats your take????
clear kestrel
its impossible for anything to cut through a car????
without being assisted by some exotic future tech that gives it such a refined cutting edge it can do so
yeah
merry mason
there would be warping and such
clear kestrel
does Genjis blade almost super heat the metal it cuts through
rare trail
also rewatch the short its not a perfectly clean cut
ivory garnet
does Genjis blade almost super heat the metal it cuts through
we’ve seen it cool off, but it doesnt leave any melted residue, so no
clear kestrel
we’ve seen it cool off, but it doesnt leave any melted residue, so no
that
doesn't matter
it didn't heat it to melting point
but it still got it glowing
sharp trench
this is pointless, it's just future tech that says it can do so because it said so, there's no rational explanation or anything
if genji had real world physics applied to him he would be obliterated in the time where he deflects the big cannon shot or whatever
rare trail
isnt that just from when he deflected teh shots in zero hour?
merry mason
this is pointless, it's just future tech that says it can do so because it said ...
again this is the real answer
ivory garnet
i said there was no explanation either yet u didnt notice
clear kestrel
this is pointless, it's just future tech that says it can do so because it said ...
he'd also obliterate a city block everytime he double jumps
sharp trench
isnt that just from when he deflected teh shots in zero hour?
yeah
clear kestrel
i said there was no explanation either yet u didnt notice
I was arguing because you were acting like your attempt at explaining physics was how it worked irl
rare trail
he'd also obliterate a city block everytime he double jumps
not all abilities are canon
clear kestrel
not in overwatch
clear kestrel
not all abilities are canon
wasn't saying that but ok
ivory garnet
I was arguing because you were acting like your attempt at explaining physics wa...
no, i never stated it was the same physics
merry mason
also the blade is clearly glowing and has a little switch on it so it obviously does have technology in it
of what kind? who knows.
ivory garnet
where do you see a switch
merry mason
on the hilt
ivory garnet
show?
rare trail
has genji ever been shown double jumping in lore?
ivory garnet
no
sharp trench
the technology is literally just:
how it does it work?
source: trust me
but in a tech form
rare trail
oh yeah he does have a little switch on the hilt
sharp trench
so pretty much just that magic quote from some guy
ivory garnet
we dont know what its for though
probably just to get the sword out of the sheath
sharp trench
gamer RGB lighting
rare trail
probably just to get the sword out of the sheath
yeah that would make sense
merry mason
it has a zipper
rare trail
do you think genji could change the colors of his body away from green?
rare trail
it has a zipper
where?
ivory garnet
it has a zipper
yeah to uncase the sheath
merry mason
the scabbard has one
ivory garnet
cant expect him to do that everytime he wants his sword
rare trail
did tracer just miss a lot in doom origin or do her bullets just not do much
merry mason
he probably just pick it up
clear kestrel
did tracer just miss a lot in doom origin or do her bullets just not do much
doom is kind of
unnaturally durable
merry mason
why would there be a special swich to retreive the sword?
ivory garnet
did tracer just miss a lot in doom origin or do her bullets just not do much
they didnt do alot
ivory garnet
why would there be a special swich to retreive the sword?
because the blade is powerful
sharp trench
did tracer just miss a lot in doom origin or do her bullets just not do much
tracer has stormtrooper aim
clear kestrel
I mean he was able to punch down what I presume to be a concrete wall with his bare fists
no gauntlet
sharp trench
I mean he was able to punch down what I presume to be a concrete wall with his b...
wasnt it with the cybernetic implanted arm or whatever
peak escarp
did tracer just miss a lot in doom origin or do her bullets just not do much
he seems to have a personal shield of some kind (a representation of the Best Defense passive)
rare trail
I mean he was able to punch down what I presume to be a concrete wall with his b...
he has robot arms
merry mason
because the blade is powerful
but how would that lock it in the sheath
clear kestrel
he has robot arms
and they just
did nothing about that?
rare trail
and they just
did nothing about that?
yup
sharp trench
and they just
did nothing about that?
granted they probably should have taken the cybernetic arm away
peak escarp
you can't just remove someone's arm
merry mason
give him another
sharp trench
oh you can
clear kestrel
no but restraints exist
peak escarp
it's a cybernetic implant
rare trail
you can't just remove someone's arm
i mean you can
sharp trench
yeah nothing a little surgery will fix
rare trail
fr
ivory garnet
you expect helix to have surgeons on stand by to remove his implanted arm
merry mason
if he was in prison presumably for life they could surgically remove it and replace with a weaker one
peak escarp
plus there were Talon moles in the prison, so they probably rigged it so he'd keep his arm
sharp trench
id expect helix to be worth their shit if they're interning some of the world's most dangerous criminals
clear kestrel
you expect helix to have surgeons on stand by to remove his implanted arm
I'd expect overwatch to
sharp trench
you'd expect the world government to have all sorts of things to deal with bots before they go all overwatch crusader mode
helix is a private military contractor
peak escarp
in Hero of Numbani they mention his implants being removed, but not his arm
sharp trench
or something
clear kestrel
in Hero of Numbani they mention his implants being removed, but not his arm
oh yeah so he just punched out a wall with his bare. unassisted fist
sharp trench
yeah helix is a private military group
rare trail
i think its a mix of the cybernetic being hard to spot and you cant remove his arm easily and talon moles
clear kestrel
again
unnaturally durable
merry mason
his body must be tough enough to handle the force of his own punces
clear kestrel
dude was clearly getting hit by tracers shots they just
werent doing anything to him
sharp trench
again
unnaturally durable
what's unnatural is the incompetence in literally everyone
rare trail
like he also had a newspaper article of "new doomfist exhibit" like they werent going too hard on him
rare trail
oh yeah so he just punched out a wall with his bare. unassisted fist
no
he has a robotic arm
clear kestrel
well he didn't have his implants
rare trail
thats the one he used
peak escarp
merry mason
and when is that supposed to take place?
clear kestrel
uh huh
rare trail
he lost his arm in the omnic crisis
got a new one
and got battle implants in it
they took the implants out but he got to keep the arm
merry mason
he lost his arm in the omnic crisis
i don't think it was in the crisis
peak escarp
it was
ivory garnet
you'd expect the world government to have all sorts of things to deal with bots ...
talon has affiliates in governments
merry mason
it was? i thought his legendary skin blurb said it was a motor accident
sharp trench
idk why everyone just decided to disarm
rare trail
Ogundimu’s stellar professional fighting career was cut short with the loss of his right arm during the Omnic Crisis.
clear kestrel
you'd expect the world government to have all sorts of things to deal with bots ...
they do
but again
at this point in time Doomfist has people working for him on the inside
sharp trench
they do
but again
at this point in time Doomfist has people working for him on t...
during and before the omnic crisis is what i meant overall*
clear kestrel
fair enough
ivory garnet
Talon isnt really viewed as a mass terrorist organization in the general public I think
sharp trench
you'd expect them to have heavy weaponry
clear kestrel
Talon isnt really viewed as a mass terrorist organization in the general public ...
does the public even know it exists?
sharp trench
instead of having infantry going out on fields without any vehicle support or anything
rare trail
does the public even know it exists?
yes
ivory garnet
does the public even know it exists?
yeah
rare trail
theyre a private military company
sharp trench
talon is probably a mega-corporation or something
talon could be a corporation with relatively high power turned-military
sharp trench
before or after retribution?
clear kestrel
was about to ask that
peak escarp
after, I would assume
ivory garnet
quite interesting citizens of countries who’s governments are affiliated with Talon dont riot
peak escarp
since Baptiste joined without knowing what they really did
clear kestrel
yea if it was before people would question Bartolini having Talon forces on his payroll
peak escarp
they probably seemed to be just a mercenary group
clear kestrel
did we ever get any insight into how the post petras act world percieves the petras act
like was there ever a call to reverse it
sharp trench
overwatch lore contains a lot of corruption evidently then
clear kestrel
I guess it was largely unanimous though which is weird
because there's no real mention of any conflict spawning because of the petras act
even though lesser actions have sparked it
sharp trench
I guess it was largely unanimous though which is weird
yeah I could definitely have seen a sizable majority going against the petras act
even during its proposal stage
merry mason
there could have been
ivory garnet
because there's no real mention of any conflict spawning because of the petras a...
Null Sector uprising
peak escarp
there's very little mention of the Petras Act period
clear kestrel
Null Sector uprising
no I mean
in response to the petras act itself by people who advocate for overwatch
ivory garnet
yeah, they knew it would be pointless
clear kestrel
that hasn't stopped people before
ivory garnet
due to overwatch/blackwatch digging themself a big hole
sharp trench
wasn't null sector pre-petras
ivory garnet
yeah, but they grew more post-petras
peak escarp
the King's Row Uprising was before the Petras Act
sharp trench
yeah, but Kings row still refused overwatch aid
peak escarp
but Null Sector's current rise is after
clear kestrel
funny that was probably one of the major catalysts for it though
peak escarp
their current war is because of Doomfist's escape
Ramattra has been biding his time for 6 years
waiting for Doomfist's escape
clear kestrel
forgive me if I misremembering but doesn't Zaryas new blood comic tell us that the russian omnium at least is still doing mining operations to fuel it's troops
merry mason
I wonder how they amassed such a large army so quickly
clear kestrel
maybe the got help from the Russian and gwishin omnics
ivory garnet
Russia doesnt control much of Russia anymore, Null Sector does pretty sure
peak escarp
I wonder how they amassed such a large army so quickly
they have control of at least 1 omnium
speculated to be in Antarctica
clear kestrel
yknow
that'd be a perfect place to prevent attack
merry mason
speculated to be in Antarctica
what is the reason for this speculation ?
clear kestrel
world governments would probably be hesitant to start throwing bombs at the poles
yknow
at risk of catastrophic flooding and all that
peak escarp
what is the reason for this speculation ?
because the location is described as being covered in ice and rock
and the timing of the omnium being reactivated coincides with the strange atmospheric fluctuations that Mei observed
9 years ago
and I believe there will be a PvE mission to go to that omnium
sharp trench
Russia doesnt control much of Russia anymore, Null Sector does pretty sure
I dont think so
Russia is at war with the omnics but I believe they have it largely contained
to lesser population areas
rare trail
and I believe there will be a PvE mission to go to that omnium
i love that rein costume
clear kestrel
and I believe there will be a PvE mission to go to that omnium
yo what is this
peak escarp
it was shown in the launch trailer
clear kestrel
do we have any indication of when we'll start seeing more PVE news or
is it just "it'll happen when it happens"
peak escarp
some time in 2023
so it could be any day now
my guess is we'll start hearing news in season 3
fingers crossed for PvE in season 4
zinc halo
I think rein would be a better fit bc In lore hes done nothing since ow unlike dva
ivory garnet
it would be any tank besides winston hopefully
ivory garnet
fingers crossed for PvE in season 4
best bet
probably hear our PvE news mid-season 3
worthy rose
I want the Hanamura massacre as a PvE mission
And the Swiss base incident
Actually that wouldn't work would it
ivory garnet
PvE is on current events
would be cool if they added that for a new archives mission, although that wont be happening
ivory garnet
dlc esc missions?
worthy rose
dlc esc missions?
That would work too
worthy rose
Nono
ivory garnet
since u possibly have to pay for missions
worthy rose
PvP is the dlc
ivory garnet
we’ll learn more in the future
its a speculation pretty sure
due to a leak i think
idk much on it
worthy rose
ivory garnet
just have to wait for news
zinc halo
What are maugas abilitys so far
clear kestrel
Mauga's still happening?
rare trail
they were going to make him have a shield a throwable projectile dealing 100 damage a defense matrix type ability giving the damage it takes as shields having the primary be two projectiles dealing like 80 damage combined and an ult where in an area of effect it deals 50% damage to anyone inside
but then they decided that didnt fit mauga
ivory garnet
they made sigma’s kit and figured it didnt fit with mauga
laughing that the fact u named sigma’s kit and not just say “sigma’s kit”
shadow marsh
Oh well it was stated here his kit would be similar to a Heavy Assault, the ones we see in Retribution PvE
Actually no, he IS a Heavy Assault.
ivory garnet
he is a heavy assault
but he’ll be different from them
as he is a named character
keen summit
PvP is the dlc
no? its both just ow2
little lark
ok so im a sigma main and my friends are always telling me i should learn about his lore for some reason, i watched like one video and saw a picture of him in front of a chalkboard so i think he's a teacher? idk but anyway if someone could give me a bit of a crash course that'd be cool :)
oh and also im new here, hi im gray
keen summit
ok so im a sigma main and my friends are always telling me i should learn about ...
watch his origin story
i'd hate to spoil it
just look up sigma origin sotry
story
past copper
Given this is basically Mauga
And what we’ve seen these guys are capable of
Along with what was read on Mauga. I think I can pin down his abilities
limpid agate
Theyll probably change a lot of it
Like removing the shield
I just hope he has the knockback swipe
past copper
Well, based off art, probably remove one of the guns
limpid agate
What
That I disagree with
Especially the based off art part
We've seen him with both guns
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past copper
limpid agate
That's not Mauga
past copper
Literally the new design for Heavy Assault
past copper
Why would Mauga be the only one left still in his OW1 design?
limpid agate
Same reason as Widowmaker
past copper
She’s always had a pistol tho
And in Widow’s case, her rifle has two functions
Sniper and assault
limpid agate
Mauga is not just a Talon Heavy Assault
He's an elite named unit
Like how Widow isn't just a Talon Sniper
She's an elite named unit
past copper
Yeah. But gameplay wise, they wouldn’t give him two mini-guns
past copper
It be like fighting two bastions
limpid agate
No it wouldnt
Bastion is 12 damage per bullet at 30 shots per second.
Just dont make it 12 fucking damage per bullet
past copper
They’d have to really think to balance his gunfire tho
limpid agate
You can do that very easily
Hammond for example is 5 damage per bullet at 25 per second
You can scale up the speed and scale down the damage. Or not, since Hammond is only 125 dps.
You can make it headshot incapable
That lets you have a higher base damage
past copper
Whatever. One Gun or two. Doesn’t matter, that’s his prime weapon
limpid agate
Most likely two
Since two is the Mauga everyone knows
And they've been good about giving people the hero they want rather than something else
Like Doomfist is a fisty punching hero
past copper
Anyway, I’d say his other abilities would probably be the shield, but it probably works like Rein’s
limpid agate
Junkerqueen has her axe
past copper
Can’t fire when in use
limpid agate
I dont think they'll give him the shield
They generally want to reduce the number of shields in OW2
past copper
Another ability would probably be either the swipe as you think and or the charge
limpid agate
The miniguns and the swipe are the only real requirements
past copper
And for ult... I... can’t really think of anything
Best guess. Something like firing shots upward that rain down on enemies?
past copper
Another idea. Maybe some kind of explosive ult?
Influenced by how his friend tried to blow him up or something like that
Wouldn’t be the first time we get a hero who’s got something connected with another hero
limpid agate
Well generally those have a more meaningful link
I think they'll just do the Tryndamere ult
rare trail
i assume hes gonna have shield some sort of charging foward ability kinda like reins pin and probably a minigun
limpid agate
Without the Minigun they cant make skins based on his existing lore appearances
Which rely on the miniguns
past copper
We’ll just have to wait and see what the future holds for Mauga
limpid agate
Season 6 the earliest
past copper
Didn’t they say the next coming hero was another tank?
past copper
Hm. Honestly, I think we’re all at a loss for who’s coming to the game
But that’s part of why I love it
shadow marsh
Given this is basically Mauga
An absolute fucking unit
past copper
The new and unique heroes
shadow marsh
I remembered watching a vid of a Korean hacker who was able to play that thing in Junkertown. But that was like, forever ago
dawn topaz
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/incomplete-list-of-potential-heroe...
What about pompamoto
limpid agate
Ill be making a new post when Season 3 drops
rare trail
i really want mauga to get a talon skin
dawn topaz
I really want Recluse as a tank
limpid agate
I thought Junkerqueen would use Recluse's design
Since we were told she was a gladitorial mech champion
But they changed that
dawn topaz
Recluse could be reworked into a junkertown support tbh, like her weird minions would seek out hurt teammates and heal them
like little, walking symmetra turrets that heal
rare trail
thats so weird seeing prometheus stuff because like theres so many heroes that i recognize
dawn topaz
I'd kill for more prometheus characters
like brit, who canonically somewhat exists in the overwatch universe as seen with the billboards on kanezaka
Make her the edgy Sonic Adventure 2 style rival to D.Va
limpid agate
Brit is a fictional character
dawn topaz
Where is this stated, if I may ask?
limpid agate
On the sign
rare trail
https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Unreleased_heroes for some reason this doesnt have mauga
rare trail
i remember her on signs in busan or lijang
rare trail
A billboard advert for the Virtual Travel Agency in the Kanezaka map features a larger clearer image of Brit.
dawn topaz
On the sign
I thought it said virtual travel agency
limpid agate
Yes
limpid agate
Because she exists in virtual space
keen summit
What about pompamoto
I'd see the boss maybe as a hero eventually, make him have ties to talon too and bam kiriko has a reason to be important
rare trail
yeah she could just be a mascot for teh company
limpid agate
That's like saying Hatsune Miku or Gawr Gura are fictional characters
rare trail
gawr gura?
dawn topaz
Fighting the urge to shitpost
limpid agate
Gawr Gura is a virtual youtuber.
I think she's currently the biggest one in the world
dawn topaz
I thought she was part of some weird vtuber group?
keen summit
I think she's currently the biggest one in the world
One of yea
limpid agate
She is
keen summit
I thought she was part of some weird vtuber group?
Hololive yea biggest corp
limpid agate
And I checked, she is the most popular by a few million subscribers
dawn topaz
Hololive yea biggest corp
yeah, they collaborated with among us
dawn topaz
But still, blizzard could just as easily say that brit was a model as there i no real evidence for both her virtual presence, or her realism
I doubt they will
ivory garnet
i really want mauga to get a talon skin
every talon hero has a talon skin besides moira and reaper
mauga is a talon soldier
his regular skin would be his talon skin most likely
dawn topaz
he needs his casual hawaiian shirt as a skin
ivory garnet
every talon hero has a talon skin besides moira and reaper
you can argue that Dusk is Reaper’s talon skin
ivory garnet
he needs his casual hawaiian shirt as a skin
summer skin yeah
rare trail
his regular skin would be his talon skin most likely
i mean like just base heavy gunner
ivory garnet
unless ur referencing u want his talon skin to be from retribution
rare trail
yeah i want like that talon skin specifically
im kinda disappointed with baptiste talon skin
shadow marsh
If Mauga becomes a playable hero his default skin would be different I guess
ivory garnet
he shouldve had his headpiece like sigma did
rare trail
we dont know sigma accepted his
shadow marsh
His talon skin would probably be the one with his Heavy Assault outfit except his head is exposed
ivory garnet
If Mauga becomes a playable hero his default skin would be different I guess
he is a named character so its most likely he’ll have a different suit from other lower class heavy assaults
rare trail
like i dont think we even know if dooms talon is canon
shadow marsh
Keyword "probably" we'll never know when will he come
ivory garnet
but my point is, his base skin will have a talon patch
ivory garnet
Keyword "probably" we'll never know when will he come
my guess is when next tank comes out hopefully
ivory garnet
my guess is when next tank comes out hopefully
or the season when PvE comes out
rare trail
i really hope he doesnt have a shield
shadow marsh
i think his base skin might not have i
Yeah my thoughts too exactly
Like Bap's Talon skin with his cool dreadlocks that was first shown in his origin story, but still different to his default skin
rare trail
theres a chance it will but no current talon members like widow or reaper or moira or doom or sombra have talon patch
to be fair baptiste isnt current talon
ivory garnet
Like Bap's Talon skin with his cool dreadlocks that was first shown in his origi...
difference is, Baptiste wasnt talon
at the time of his release
Mauga will still be talon
shadow marsh
Oh I think I misword
dawn topaz
We gotta wait for overwatch 3 to give him a non-talon base skin
ivory garnet
he’s also a chairman of Talon, or important character of talon
rare trail
we've never seen a foot soldier whos current talon so we dont really know
shadow marsh
My point was uhhh Talon skin should be a separate skin, differs from the Default
rare trail
he might have patch he might not
shadow marsh
If that makes sense
ivory garnet
he can still have a talon patch and a different talon skin
he’s still just a soldier
rare trail
i doubt he would have a talon patch though
shadow marsh
Like Mauge still being with Talon, but we wouldn't know what his default would look like
rare trail
yeah
like we know the higher ups dont wear their talon outfits
we dont know about current members who are lower ranked though
ivory garnet
doomfist’s talon skin was when Akande was rather young
Moira and Reaper dont have talon skins
unless you want to make the argument that Dusk is his talon skin
rare trail
i mean like sombra and widow dont wear their talon skins
not currently at least
i just dont think its definite for him to have talon mark
for base skin
ivory garnet
Sombra and Widowmaker both used their talon skins when they were younger
and they obviously went up the ranka
ranks
whilst Mauga is still just a soldier
rare trail
and now they dont have a talon mark
we dont know
he might have one he might not
we dont know what maugas base skin is gonna look like
atomic parcel
when will mauga be added
rare trail
when will mauga be added
we dont know
atomic parcel
we dont know
would be nice if hes the next hero to be added but since they just added ram they prob wont add another tank
rare trail
next hero is a support
after that probably tnak bc they said they dont wanna add many damages
atomic parcel
next hero is a support
any idea who that could be
rare trail
nope
atomic parcel
I want efi to be added but shes still a kid
rare trail
maybe sanjay or max
atomic parcel
so they wont
rare trail
and efi has like no fighting potential
atomic parcel
maybe sanjay or max
max I dont think he will be a hero
sanjay though maybe
@rare trail what if they make mauga a support
rare trail
thats pretty unlikely
he seems like a tank from everything we've seen so far
big hitbox
minigun
seems tanky
atomic parcel
seems tanky
they could make him a tanky support
a bit like brig
but yeah its unlikely
limpid agate
Mauga will be a tank
They will never make another hero like Brig
Brig is the single most hated hero in the game
atomic parcel
Brig is the single most hated hero in the game
hog says hello
limpid agate
Brig is still the most hated hero in the game
rare trail
roadhog moment
brig isnt the mosthated rn
its hog
brig isnt good enough to be hated in the current meta
gleaming karma
Wrong
limpid agate
It doesnt matter who is public enemy #1 in present day
Throughout the entire history of Overwatch
Brig is the most hated hero in the game
She still is
People still hate Brig. They hate Roadhog too, currently they hate Roadhog more, but Brig is the most hated hero overall
limpid agate
It doesnt matter. We can have a day where D.Va or Bastion is the most hated hero
Brig is still the single most hated hero in the franchise
rare trail
i mean since ow2s release i havent seen much hate for her
ivory garnet
idk how any of this is lore related but, alot of Brig’s hate was her release and stun in ow1, you dont see hate for her now because theres more annoying heroes like hog and a pocketed sojourn
rare trail
yeah especially because there are more annoying heroes and her stun is gone
ivory garnet
they could make him a tanky support
difference between Brig and Mauga is their size difference and how Mauga plays
rare trail
people also mightve seen more of her character in zero hour which mightve made them like her more
ivory garnet
Mauga would be an ult battery if he was a support, it would be a throw pick atp
also brig is a very good support, reason we dont see her in meta is because it doesnt fit her in it. Once Ramattra becomes more meta or sojourn/mercy get a small nerf, brig will pop in meta
worthy rose
idk how any of this is lore related but, alot of Brig’s hate was her release and...
False, I still get bullied when I play her
ivory garnet
a skilled brig will dominate against other squishies unless certain ones
worthy rose
Also she can be in the meta if doomfist and winton got buffed
ivory garnet
she wont fit with doom in meta
worthy rose
Not with doom
Against him
Because he’s a dive tank
Basically you see the enemy team picked a dive character like winton or tracer so you pick brig to protect your other support
rare trail
Also she can be in the meta if doomfist and winton got buffed
winston was really good in s1 but she wasnt picked
lucio and her cant be meta at the same time
(besides for goats)
ivory garnet
kiriko will most likely be in every meta unless this next support is something greater, the 2nd support will always be changing
rare trail
or until kiriko gets a nerf
ivory garnet
doubt she will
rare trail
i think its possible
they think shes an issue given the ult nerfs and swift step nerf
peak escarp
I think we've gotten off topic
peak escarp
not yet
ivory garnet
could possibly meet in PvE
peak escarp
they'll meet when Lucio teams up with Overwatch after the Rio mission
tiny brook
peak escarp
it's been like 5 seconds
ivory garnet
they'll meet when Lucio teams up with Overwatch after the Rio mission
i forget, do the story missions have set playable characters like the halloween event had?
peak escarp
yes
ivory garnet
okay, and the hero missions is the way to upgrade your heroes for when they eventually come into PvE
rare trail
do you think we'll ever play as talon in pve?
ivory garnet
i dont think so, i mean its a possibility, but a very slight one
maybe 1-3 missions
mattering how big the PvE even will be
rare trail
i mean i would think they wouldnt want to limit pve to only some of the cast
like you just couldnt play doom
if theres no talon
ivory garnet
the main story in the PvE is overwatch vs null sector pretty sure
rare trail
i wonder if we'll get to play as ram
ivory garnet
i dont think we’ll play as null sector
limpid agate
The main campaign of the launch arc should be OW vs Null Sector
With some OW vs Talon
We will get to play as Talon in a future arc
ivory garnet
do we know if it’ll be an ever building story?
limpid agate
Most likely
ivory garnet
more and more missions as time goes on?
ivory garnet
feel as if the starting “arc” you mentioned should be free, and the future ones will be behind a paywall but will become free as time goes on
atomic parcel
difference between Brig and Mauga is their size difference and how Mauga plays
Yeah his size would be an issue
worthy rose
winston was really good in s1 but she wasnt picked
Yeah but after Winston got off meta Brigitte got a huge buff (+50 shield)
tough patio
Hi, complete ow noobie here.
Do omnics sleep/dream? =o
opaque tundra
Zen has mentioned having dreams in voice lines and he has asked another omnic hero if they’ve dreamt before (I think It was orisa?) so most likely yes
tough patio
That's wild
gray kayak
If it makes you feel any better we still don't really know how or why humans dream.
still cradle
who’s strongest in lore?
rare trail
who’s strongest in lore?
sigma winston symmetra orisa
limpid agate
One of those four
still cradle
what puts sym up there?
still cradle
i see i see
limpid agate
She's like the Green lantern
tranquil creek
symmetry is green lantern wow?!
limpid agate
Kinda
dreamy epoch
opaque tundra
I know it’s waaaaay too early to tell but what do you guys think will happen to Ramattra after the campaign? It’s obvious Overwatch is gonna beat him up but will they just arrest him? Redemption arc possibly? Ramattra is too cool of a character to toss aside
rare trail
def arrest
hes a terrorist
i dont know if he is redeemable at all
like he has killed thousands of innocent people
ivory garnet
I know it’s waaaaay too early to tell but what do you guys think will happen to ...
he is irredeemable
he’ll probably be tossed aside until later use after first PvE section
peak escarp
arrested/killed at the end of the arc, escaped/rebuilt in a future arc for drama
worthy rose
I know it’s waaaaay too early to tell but what do you guys think will happen to ...
Blackwatch 2
opaque tundra
I know it’s silly but personally I’d like to see some sort of redemption for Ramattra. More of an internal one, like he wants to redeem himself for his people and to find inner peace sort of redemption. I just don’t see Ramattra getting killed off especially for the type of narrative they’re going for
worthy rose
You want a buff Zenyatta basically
rare trail
yes
opaque tundra
I mean he kinda already is one
worthy rose
Nah but with all the wise talk and unnecessary breathing noises
ivory garnet
Ramattra is irredeemable for no matter the cost of it
- if he does end up stupidly being able to redeem himself
Talon will most likely assassinate him
or take him into their prison
opaque tundra
Why?
Actually never mind it makes sense now that I’ve thought about it
Talon probably would screw over Ramattra
shadow marsh
Sounds like a Talon thing to do, but who knows
peak escarp
definitely
sharp trench
is ram’s nemesis form canon in any way
tired sable
is ram’s nemesis form canon in any way
I mean if it’s in game
peak escarp
not everything in the game is canon
rare trail
Yeah like revive
Sigmas whole kit
Ashes coach gun
Is the whole orisa spear thing canon?
worthy rose
sigma winston symmetra orisa
Winston
rare trail
Winston
Yes
Winston has beaten doomfist and reaper
He’s very strong durable and smart
worthy rose
Winston's strength>Sigma's gravity
tired sable
not everything in the game is canon
I mean his void accelerator is made from nano bots, so I don’t see why his transformation isn’t canon, when it’s his staff basically thats part of the transformation
rare trail
Winston's strength>Sigma's gravity
Winston’s plot armor>sigmas gravity
worthy rose
Basically lol
rare trail
I mean his void accelerator is made from nano bots, so I don’t see why his trans...
You can’t just assume nemesis is canon bc nano bots exist
worthy rose
One punch and Sig's head is sent flying off his body
rare trail
One punch and Sig's head is sent flying off his body
Fr
tired sable
You can’t just assume nemesis is canon bc nano bots exist
His void accelerator is made from nano bots
rare trail
His void accelerator is made from nano bots
When is that said?
tired sable
Dude he legit has his staff in his origin story
rare trail
That doesn’t mean it’s made from nano bots
rare trail
They don’t say in the past origin that it’s made from nano bots
tired sable
His staff becomes part of his nemesis form
rare trail
His staff becomes part of his nemesis form
The staff isn’t as big as his arms
Also nemesis form isn’t canon
tired sable
There’s obviously more nano bots added when he transforms
rare trail
Like the staff might be nano bots but it’s not confirmed
ivory garnet
Ramattra quite literally has 0 lore powers that we know of besides his staff
we can’t speculate his strength like we can with Sigma’s
rare trail
We don’t even really know what the staff does
Well maybe we do I’m in the middle or reading reflections rn
tired sable
Ramattra quite literally has 0 lore powers that we know of besides his staff
If he can transform to his nemesis form he might be the strongest
After sigma
ivory garnet
symmetra would and probably still could defeat him
but theres no showing his nemesis is canon rn
we’d have to wait till PvE
rare trail
If he can transform to his nemesis form he might be the strongest
It would depend on how strong nemesis is
ivory garnet
and its most likely he’ll be defeated in some type of way
rare trail
Like I could imagine genji slicing through ramattra easily with his katana
ivory garnet
Ramattra/Null Sector is mostly a stepping stone for Overwatch comeback rn
tired sable
we’d have to wait till PvE
Isn’t he like the leader of those bots
rare trail
Even with nemesis Winston would still probably beat him in a fight
ivory garnet
Isn’t he like the leader of those bots
yes
rare trail
Ramattra started null sector
ivory garnet
Even with nemesis Winston would still probably beat him in a fight
and orisa probably too
tired sable
Dam
rare trail
and orisa probably too
Yeah
ivory garnet
i’d imagine the top 4 could
tired sable
I gotta be honest guys
rare trail
Doom might be able to
ivory garnet
good way to get introduced into it
this video goes into detail
and if u ever want to know something abt a character, u can ask someone trusted in lore or go to the wiki
peak escarp
Thought it’ll be a hour long vid 😂
and that's the short version
the long one is 1:46:15
tired sable
the long one is 1:46:15
Jesus Christ
peak escarp
there's quite a bit of lore to go through
SVB's video is good enough - I consulted on it
he does leave out a lot, but it's all stuff that isn't really important to the main plot
rare trail
i understand ram a lot more after reading reflections
i dont think i disagree with the idea of like distancing yourself from your oppressors
and like being forced to use violence because your people are dying
he gets pretty extreme in the uprising in kings row but like his people were being treated horribly by the city and many people there werent doing anything to stop it
like i dont think hes wrong for having a negative view of humans
like many of his people are slaves for humans
clear kestrel
definitely isn't
but I appreciate that he isn't like
"there's no such thing as a good human, the only good human is a dead human"
he's not genocidal which goes a long way to making him more sympathetic
rare trail
yeah
he just wants equality and hes done with trying to make peace with his oppressors
rare trail
theres a quote in reflections
"Because Mondatta places the burden of peace on the oppressed and not their oppressors"
like im sure he didnt like killing innocent people in kings row
he just viewed it as necessary
worthy rose
Are these in chronological order?
What do I start with if I want to read Overwatch comics for the first time?
worthy rose
Okie
rare trail
you should probably read the short stories too
limpid agate
Are these in chronological order?
They're in release order
worthy rose
Will the campaign have actual story or will it be like a horde mode?
rare trail
i think actual story
iirc its gonna be like retribution and kings row uprising
stuff like that
ivory garnet
Will the campaign have actual story or will it be like a horde mode?
actual story
limpid agate
Will the campaign have actual story or will it be like a horde mode?
There will be both.
There will be a campaign
And there will also be "Hero Missions" which are your all heroes horde mode
patent harness
Hero mission doesn't have to be always horde mode
They could be like boss battle too
Or a weird mix
wind portal
Rammattra will probably be a boss battle
rare trail
i wonder how they will handle fights against other heroes
maybe just buff them and have an ai controlling them
lunar stump
Tbh nerf genji
surreal quest
Anyone want to play
worthy rose
Anyone want to play
This isn’t the right channel for recruiting a squad
surreal quest
@worthy rose how do I cancel merge
worthy rose
I don’t know what that is and this is probably also not the right channel to ask
rugged hare
hey people, I'm confused with the lore right now. is junkrat temporarily working with the Overwatch? his interaction with Sojourn makes me a lil bit confused right now. or is he being insane like he always do?
rare trail
he isnt working with overwatch
not all voicelines are canon
sojourn isnt in overwatch
rugged hare
wait, I thought she is, as she was playing a part during an event in ow1
rare trail
storm rising was during the golden age of overwatch
she didnt respond to winstons recall
rugged hare
ah, I see... man, ow has never been clear with their lore
peak escarp
Sojourn will be going back to Overwatch
we saw her in unfinished cutscenes
Junkrat is not working with Overwatch
rugged hare
oh, alright. thank you for letting me know!
edgy kelp
How did Genji Survive the battle against Hanzo? ik Mercy healed him but how did he survive in the first place?
rare trail
overwatch got to him before he died
medical technology progressed enough in 40 years that he could be saved from those injuries
he wouldve died if ow didnt help him
edgy kelp
Is it just me or does young sombra look like the same girl that Soldier saved in the animatic?
rare trail
i dont think timeline matches up there
eternal depot
Lf 1 dps silver
dusk sparrow
Does he know?
peak escarp
Is it just me or does young sombra look like the same girl that Soldier saved in...
that girl is Alejandra
she lives in Dorado and knows Sombra's real name
ivory garnet
Is it just me or does young sombra look like the same girl that Soldier saved in...
Sombra and Alejandra somewhat are interlinked
as Alejandra told Zarya her real name (Sombra)
and Sombra is also known with the gang in Dorado
edgy kelp
ah i got you
dry trail
Does widowmaker ever have intercourse throughout her lore?
peak escarp
no
dry trail
Frick
rare trail
Does widowmaker ever have intercourse throughout her lore?
no
she had a husband
but no kids
dry trail
fuckk man
rare trail
maybe she did maybe she didnt
peak escarp
nsfw isn't allowed here
rare trail
theres not really any evidence for either side
dry trail
I just wanted to see if she was a virgin
rare trail
we dont know
dry trail
Ive actually been writing down all the females that arent virgins
dry trail
Sombra mercy kirkio
rare trail
why are you calling women females and also why do you care
dry trail
What do u want me to call females
rare trail
women
rare trail
why do you care about whether or not theyre virgins?
peak escarp
wow
dry trail
why do you care about whether or not theyre virgins?
Why do you ask
rare trail
just super fucking weird to call women females and also super fucking weird to care about whether fictional characters are virgins
dry trail
Actually i have widowmaker coming to life now
rare trail
we dont really know whether or not anyone is a virgin in overwatch other than if they have kids
dry trail
i spent my life savings on a 3d printer so i can print overwatch 2 females
dry trail
Dont make me @ a mod
rare trail
also why do you think kiriko mercy and sombra arent virgins theres no evidence for that non of them have kids
rare trail
Are you judging me because i print females?
i think its weird as fuck to call women females
dry trail
Well they just gotta be virgins
peak escarp
calling women "females" is gross
rare trail
fr
peak escarp
and caring about fictional women being virgins is also gross
rare trail
females is dehumanizing
dry trail
and caring about fictional women being virgins is also gross
Dick riding mcree is also gross
rare trail
Dick riding mcree is also gross
????
rare trail
its still weird as fuck to say
peak escarp
???
rare trail
reaper torb and ana are the only ow heroes in game with kids
but like why do you care about their virginities
dry trail
Yeah but reaper and mercy are dating i beleive
wind portal
Yeah but reaper and mercy are dating i beleive
that's about the worst crack-ship tbh
rare trail
a 20 year age gap
dry trail
isnt reaper like 18 19
rare trail
b reaper and mercy have very different ideals
rare trail
you didnt give me any time to respond
dry trail
stil no proof
rare trail
yeah i dont have a link on hand all the time
dry trail
Well u better change that
rare trail
no
dry trail
My widowmaker print out is almost done
rare trail
im not gonna just have a link to proof of reapers age on hand all the time
peak escarp
dry trail
she will be 3rd to my collection of pillows
rare trail
My widowmaker print out is almost done
keep discussion lore related
dry trail
dont try to make cgi
rare trail
its the rules my guy
dry trail
Oh so now ur saying the rules
rare trail
like i dont have to be a minimod to tell you to follow the rules
dry trail
i thought were supposed to keep this" lore related"
dry trail
you're the one veering off course
^ this doesnt sound lore related to me
dry trail
trying to change the subject?
rare trail
^ this doesnt sound lore related to me
holy shit youre so dumb
dry trail
Gotcha buddy
rare trail
trying to change the subject?
you're literally the one who changed the subject dumbass
dry trail
Oh yeah I know
rare trail
im trying to change the subject bc what you were talking about wasnt lore related
is that so hard to understand?
rare trail
reaper and mercy arent dating
20 year age gap
reaper is an asshole
mercy is a part of overwatch
dry trail
calling reaper an asshole?
rare trail
yes
rare trail
reaper is an asshole
dry trail
Yep thats a ban
rare trail
calling a fictional character an asshole you think is gonna get me banned?
rare trail
you're either trolling or really fucking stupid neither of which are worth my time
dry trail
you're either trolling or really fucking stupid neither of which are worth my ti...
?
ur the one trolling
u called reaper 58
rare trail
reaper is a eugenicist
rare trail
u called reaper 58
reaper is 58 buddy
rare trail
no hes not
hes in talon
talon is a eugenicist group
rare trail
hes part of the overwatch team
no hes not
what the fuck are you on
read his bio
hes not in overwatch
hes not 19
dry trail
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/reaper/
not the official link pal
rare trail
he is a eugenicist
dry trail
Hes an Character
rare trail
characters can be eugenicists
rare trail
not the official link pal
yes it is
dry trail
and EXTREMELY rude
rare trail
he is a part of a eugenicist group
he is a eugenicist
fictional characters can be eugenicists
peak escarp
what's going on
dry trail
This ignorant Gummy bear thinks reaper is 58
rare trail
saying reaper is a eugenicist isnt making him non fictional
peak escarp
Reaper is 58
rare trail
This ignorant Gummy bear thinks reaper is 58
reaper is 58
peak escarp
I already gave you a source
peak escarp
source?
dry trail
I have proof
rare trail
the original overwatch is older than that
dry trail
I cant send it here
rare trail
he was in the original overwatch
peak escarp
then it's not proof
dry trail
i cant send pictures
rare trail
I cant send it here
send in dms
peak escarp
send a link to it
dry trail
I cant send links
rare trail
then send in dm
rare trail
where does this say he is 19
dry trail
click on it
rare trail
it doesnt say hes 19
peak escarp
and?
dry trail
Proof?
peak escarp
first off, the wiki isn't an official source
rare trail
i just did a search of "19" using control f its only used 7 times and those arent about his age
crisp falcon
hes not 19
Yeah reaper is old af
peak escarp
second, it says he's 58 right here
rare trail
nineteen isnt in the article at all
dry trail
Oh i never saw that
peak escarp
!!shitposting @dry trail
twilit nacelleBOT
@dry trail Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
dry trail
What
rare trail
it doesnt say anywhere that hes 19
dry trail
What is shitposting
rare trail
you linked to a source that
- isnt official
- doesnt even corroborate your claim
peak escarp
shitposting is intentionally being disruptive and can make you lose access to this channel
crisp falcon
Yikes