widow wouldnt have had her brain anymore if ana didnt hesitate
#lore-discussion
ivory garnet
peak escarp
Ana hesitating shows that she's a better person
worthy rose
That’s what I’m saying
wind portal
There is a reason Ana's bounty was higher than Mccree's lol
ivory garnet
all of overwatch and ex overwatch agents have a bounty placed by Talon
Ana is high due to her marksmanship and info on Talon members
zinc halo
rein could beat mauga in 1v1
ivory garnet
not easily, or maybe he loses
past copper
Rein almost died to an OR-14
Mauga is probably tougher than that unit
Especially since he’s using mini-guns and apparently a barrier himself
wind portal
rein could beat mauga in 1v1
Considering Rein struggled to fight an OR-14 alone I doubt he'd be able to handle Mauga
ivory garnet
that was also a younger and much egotistical reinhardt that didnt take his job seriously
he is obviously old now
but also more wise and has better strategy
it would be a close fight imo
and what will a barrier do to his hammer, and 2 miniguns do to his shield?
sharp trench
rein’s shield already proved it can withstand extended fire
past copper
Rein’s barrier only stayed up a few minutes after the bastions used their turrets tho
Mauga can potentially do the same thing
wind portal
Mauga is also smarter than OR-14
past copper
But then again, seems he’s more or less like a mix between Rein and Orisa
If I had to guess
A barrier like Rein’s, guns like Orisa’s, and given he’s based off Talon Heavy Assault probably a charge like Rein or something
wind portal
what omnic model inspired Orisa again?
ivory garnet
Rein’s barrier only stayed up a few minutes after the bastions used their turret...
Reinhardt has definitely upgraded his shield after 50+ years
past copper
Made to protect Numbani
ivory garnet
what omnic model inspired Orisa again?
Or-15
past copper
Reinhardt has definitely upgraded his shield after 50+ years
True, but even he needed Brig’s help to hold off the Null Sector Titan
This shows his shield has it’s limits
ivory garnet
and their shields not failing shows he can easily hold back gunfire
its a huge laser vs gunshots
past copper
Maybe. But remember Null Sector units aren’t preprogrammed to do things
Mauga can think things through in a fight
I’m sure he can quickly strategize a way to take out Rein
At least in a 1v1
past copper
Maybe. But the kicker is we still don’t know what to expect from Mauga
We’ve seen everything Rein can do while we’ve only read about the few things Mauga can do
Not to mention, one would probably have more info on the other
Which could put one at a disadvantage
zinc halo
Rein’s barrier only stayed up a few minutes after the bastions used their turret...
there were like 8 bastions and other droids in turret form all shooting the barrier so its obvious it would break also reins armour is bulletproof
past copper
Literally a heated sword penetrated his master’s armor
Bullets have more power to them then a heated blade
At the most, those bullets were hitting the tech used to build the thruster
zinc halo
Literally a heated sword penetrated his master’s armor
armour that is now 30 years old
zinc halo
Bullets have more power to them then a heated blade
we see when in the cinematic at the end when rein shield breaks and he uses his body that the bullets do not penetrate his armour
also this armour has been ugpraded by torb so it is most likely way stronger
also i dont really see anyone else going against mauga apart from winston who willl most likely be fight doom
worthy rose
More skilled with a bow yeah
Arrows only go so far in a straight line.
If the opponent is far enough he's gonna have to start factoring in drop as well
winton overwach
Walking Zenyatta solos everyone tho
karmic turret
dumbass decision if so
vocal marsh
ivory garnet
dumbass decision if so
not really
she is literally a side quest giver in lore
she was only used for pharah and cassidy’s latest mission
worthy rose
So who's the oldest current Overwatch member
ivory garnet
mmm
worthy rose
By oldest I mean has been part of Overwatch the longest
ivory garnet
Soldier, Reaper, Ana
worthy rose
All ex
ivory garnet
but have all been there the longest
worthy rose
I mean current overwatch
ivory garnet
Reinhardt
worthy rose
hmmmmmmm
ivory garnet
he’s been there from early overwatch to current
worthy rose
He's basically retired tbh
ivory garnet
he’s apart of overwatch?
worthy rose
The only thing holding him together is his suit
ivory garnet
he still goes on missions
worthy rose
He gon die soon
worthy rose
Dude looks 80
ivory garnet
he’s barely 61
worthy rose
Bro didn't age well
ivory garnet
Reinhardt is the oldest current ow member
worthy rose
Or maybe it's the facial hair
ivory garnet
aged fine tbh, still very muscular and strong at 61
worthy rose
Roids
ivory garnet
no
wind portal
Roids
Considering Zarya has a lot of muscles and doesn't appear to have any signs of steroids in her it's reasonable to assume Reinhardt is also naturally muscular
ivory garnet
yeah
wind portal
I'd assume she's more focused on defending Russia but I would assume so
ivory garnet
her ex soldiers, overwatch, and people of russia
wind portal
I'm pretty sure her opinion on Overwatch is mixed
ivory garnet
not really
worthy rose
She joined them tho
wind portal
especially Torbjorn
worthy rose
ivory garnet
she only hesitated because she didnt want to leave Russia
Torbjorn isnt apart of overwatch
he is former
wind portal
Brig is taking his place but his inventions will still be a part of current overwatch
ivory garnet
only inventions in overwatch, are mercy’s staff and rein’s armor
wind portal
also there should be a 'lunar colony' for Hammond since he isn't really a Junker anymore
ivory garnet
PvE will change if he comes apart of overwatch again
no
no one is placed twice
and he is junker
junkertown is his home, he just travels the world
and dont see why Zarya would dislike torbjorn
wind portal
I meant that Lunar Colony should be it's own section for Hammond, we know Winston is now overwatch
wind portal
and dont see why Zarya would dislike torbjorn
I think there's backstory between Torb and Russia
ivory garnet
not that i can find
shadow parcel
Don’t think so
worthy rose
Genji is also former shimada
karmic turret
He's current overwatch though
worthy rose
Members who answered to the overwatch recall:
Mercy, Genji, Reinhardt (with Brigitte), Tracer, Mei
Members who were recruited to overwatch by McCree:
Baptist, Dva, Echo, Pharah, Zarya
vale knoll
Think you mean cassidy
ivory garnet
Members who answered to the overwatch recall:
Mercy, Genji, Reinhardt (with Brig...
its 1 per row
and members who came to overwatch a different way wouldnt matter in a group list
worthy rose
and members who came to overwatch a different way wouldnt matter in a group list
I’m not correcting I’m adding info
worthy rose
Think you mean cassidy
I once got bullied for calling him Cassidy people like to call him McCree for some reason
urban tendon
I once got bullied for calling him Cassidy people like to call him McCree for so...
Deadnaming the cowboy 😔
limpid agate
dumbass decision if so
Not every hero will be in the campaign. They literally gave her and Soldier dedicated stories plural to say that they will not be joining Overwatch
summer tulip
She trained with them
worthy rose
As in she isn't from the Shimada clan
summer tulip
I dont think so
worthy rose
She trained with them
Tbh it makes more sense to say they trained with her
worthy rose
I think I heard from a video that she was genji’s cousin?
They were trouble makers when they were kids
opaque scroll
I think I heard from a video that she was genji’s cousin?
She is Genji and Hanzo's martial arts/swordsmanship teacher's daughter
(As I understand she is the Asa-sensei Hanzo mentions in that one voiceline to Kiriko)
tropic shoal
Bro how did D.va the least important character in lore get her own animated short
But we don't get one for Sigma, Ramattra, ana, reaper etc
ivory garnet
Bro how did D.va the least important character in lore get her own animated shor...
?
she is now important in lore
as has future lore for her
Reaper has been in 3 animated shorts
ivory garnet
As in she isn't from the Shimada clan
she was relatives to the Shimada clan
cousins you could say
they saw her as one of their own due to their relationship to her family
ivory garnet
she is now important in lore
and the least important ppl in lore are prolly the junkers now
tropic shoal
Reaper has been in 3 animated shorts
And we haven't delved into his story
ivory garnet
we know alot abt him…
tropic shoal
The most interesting part of overwatch is how it collapsed and what happened between jack and reaper
D.va fought a big robot
Oh how riveting
ivory garnet
ex cop of LAPD pretty sure, had a wife and child, went into the same soldier enhancement program as Soldier, was named code named “Soldier 24”, was one of the founding members with Jack and Ana, has so many foils with Soldier, became commander of his own division inside of Overwatch known as “blackwatch”, and is one of Talon’s most important members
he has some of the most lore out of any character in overwatch
you should be saying junkerqueen shouldnt have had her own cinematic due to her not having any important to lore rn
there is also no way to make an Ana cinematic right now
she does nothing to lore rn
and cinematics arent supposed to show a singular character’s lore (except kiriko and junkerqueen due to them being new characters and Reinhardt because best tank)
its usually to show whats happening at that current timestamp
so I agree we should get more origin stories of older characters
but Reaper doesnt need his own cinematic
shadow marsh
I heard the Sojourn cinematic is yet to come
karmic turret
Not every hero will be in the campaign. They literally gave her and Soldier dedi...
source
shadow marsh
Could be expected before PvE comes?
ivory garnet
maybe
limpid agate
source
The devs said it on a stream back in 2019, citing the specific example of Junkrat.
Saying that not every hero would be in the story.
Unfortunately, like most streams from 2019
The source doesnt exist anymore
patent harness
But since 2019 a lot of things changed by Blizzard so who knows
ivory garnet
not much has changed in PvE as far as we know
Ana and Soldier have no reason of being in the PvE
hence its main importance is Overwatch vs Null Sector uprising with a hint of Talon
wooden sleet
What's talon up 2 at the moment
ivory garnet
PvE shows Sombra and Widow goingto kill Zen or something along the lines of that
right now they might just be backing up Null Sector and killing ow members still
wooden sleet
We saw doomfist talking to someone in his formal skin
wooden sleet
Wasn't there a specific part in the pve trailer
wooden sleet
Mhm. But atleast I was not mistaken
twin umbra
overwatch characters and their sentences if they were tried in court
livid sand
limpid agate
No
The original Overwatch was an official government institution
It got shut down, and Overwatch activity was made illegal
The current Overwatch led by Winston is doing Overwatch activity
Its not quite a vigilante group
But its also not quite legal either
limpid agate
overwatch characters and their sentences if they were tried in court
But this makes no sense at all
twin umbra
But this makes no sense at all
how
limpid agate
Tried for waht
twin umbra
if they were ever tried for their crimes
limpid agate
What crimes
twin umbra
What crimes
junkrat has probably murdered people in his crime sprees, doomfist is a tyrant who starts war, reaper straight up murders people, widow killed her own husbalnd, moira is experimenting beyond human eithics in horrible experiements, rammatra has probably killed innocent humans, roadhog has outright murdered, DO I NEED TO GO ON
worthy rose
What did Hanzo and Ana do
twin umbra
What did Hanzo and Ana do
hanzo is part of a crime family, and murdered his bro
limpid agate
Sigma, Junkerqueen, Hammond, and Torbjorn for starters have never broken a law.
twin umbra
Ana was a vigilante who probably killed lots of people
limpid agate
You keep using probably
worthy rose
What did Kiriko do?
limpid agate
Ana is equally guilty of vigilantism as Soldier 76.
twin umbra
Sigma, Junkerqueen, Hammond, and Torbjorn for starters have never broken a law.
Sigma was in a mental institution to be contained for his madness, Junkerqueen is the leader of a bunch of raiders who steal and plunder shit, hammond uses a wrecking ball that has probably destroyed property, Torbjorn has been warned in the past for the things he creates
limpid agate
And unlike Soldier, Ana doesnt kill anymore
They specifically say she doesnt in New Blood
While Soldier literally kills people on screen in his appearances
twin umbra
I suppose i could fix ana and soldier then
shadow marsh
I do quite agree for Junkrat,Doomfist, Reaper, Widowmaker etc etc
limpid agate
Junkerqueen is not a leader of a bunch of raiders who steal and plunder
twin umbra
Junkerqueen is not a leader of a bunch of raiders who steal and plunder
THEY STEAL LITTERAL GOLD
AND OTHER STUFF
twin umbra
From who
junker queen is seen travelling around the world visiting places, and most likely committing crimes in them
limpid agate
No she isnt
That is just straight up untrue
We have never seen her outside Australia
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twin umbra
THERES A PICTURE OF HER IN MEXICO
twin umbra
GIMME A MOMENT
limpid agate
Also watch the caps
twin umbra
what the hell, did someone gaslight me
Im gonna slap the person who told me that was that one mexico map from overwatch
limpid agate
A lot of the stuff you wrote is just baseless speculation.
twin umbra
not really
limpid agate
Yes really,
twin umbra
most of it was engrained in fact
I said most
i did not mean all
you asked why sigma was in a mental institution, when he littearly was put into one in the lore
so believe me if i dont take you seriously
limpid agate
I dont think you understand Sigma's back story.
twin umbra
yes I understand his backstory
limpid agate
Then you understand that he hasnt done a single crime and was not institutionalized for madness.
Which is the opposite of what you said
twin umbra
Then you understand that he hasnt done a single crime and was not institutionali...
he was put into an institution because he was dangerous to other people, his power was unstable and he was insane
even if he had not commited a crime
he was still a danger to others
limpid agate
he was detained because he was dangerous and couldn't control or understand what was happening.
He can do that now
twin umbra
look its still a sentence regardless
shadow marsh
overwatch characters and their sentences if they were tried in court
I agree with the Deathrow part though. Self explanatory and all
limpid agate
There is no reason for him to be detained in an institution again.
The reason he was put there is no longer relevant
twin umbra
There is no reason for him to be detained in an institution again.
i put it as that because he was put into an institution
shadow marsh
In the lore, right now, he hasn't hurt anyone yet despite his condition
twin umbra
In the lore, right now, he hasn't hurt anyone yet despite his condition
hes still a risk
wooden sleet
What use does he serve then?
twin umbra
controlling gravity while not being sane is a bad combo
seriously Sigma could be the most powerful character in the overwatch universe
shadow marsh
That's why he's kept by Talon, keeping away from the outside world
twin umbra
So could Winston, Orisa, or Symmetra
not really gravity is stupid op
wooden sleet
How is talon any better? Especially under doomfist philosophy
shadow marsh
He hasn't stepped out yet, Talon knows how dangerous he is and that's an opportunity they'd take
limpid agate
Yes really.
The most powerful character is one of Winston, Orisa, Sigma, or Symmetra
twin umbra
you think a monkey could defy gravity
wooden sleet
Honestly after that marvel episode where they beat the man thatcan control gravity. I think Winston has a chance beating him
twin umbra
We dont know the extent of Sigma's power or limits
Sigma is capable of lifting a huge pound monkey into the air and squish him down with massive force
limpid agate
Honestly after that marvel episode where they beat the man thatcan control gravi...
Graviton, always a good example of how gravity manipulation is overrated.
twin umbra
he could probably crush winston with gravity
wooden sleet
XD
limpid agate
Sigma is capable of lifting a huge pound monkey into the air and squish him down...
Is he?
Based on what
twin umbra
Honestly after that marvel episode where they beat the man thatcan control gravi...
which episode what
limpid agate
It is possible he may be able to do that, and it is possible he is not able to do that.
shadow marsh
Just a speculation, but nobody probably knows what happened Dr. Kuiper besides Talon and the organization who got him out of his lab
twin umbra
Based on what
his ult
wooden sleet
First episode of earth's mightiest heroes avengers
limpid agate
Gameplay != Lore
twin umbra
Gameplay != Lore
Sigmas gameplay reflects on his lore
littearly during his ult you can hear wispers in his head
limpid agate
First episode of earth's mightiest heroes avengers
Was actually googling that to get a clip for it before you said anything. Good coincidence.
twin umbra
marvels gravity logic is dumb
limpid agate
Gameplay != Lore. In gameplay, Lucio can speedboost and heal his team with music. In universe, he can't.
In gameplay, Mei can heal in her cryofreeze. In lore, it actually harms her
wooden sleet
Discord orb isn't canon. Resurrect isn't cannon
twin umbra
In gameplay, Mei can heal in her cryofreeze. In lore, it actually harms her
based on what
seriously
limpid agate
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limpid agate
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twin umbra
Look its quite clear sigma is capable of controlling gravity, he almost made a full on black hole
which could indicate he may have some ability to even control black holes
wooden sleet
A couple of abilities are not canon and some are not even as powerful as we think they are. For example. Zayra ult that is said to be a Blackhole is not that dangerous
twin umbra
now think about it for a moment
do you think
an ape would win against a fight against a black hole
twin umbra
Sigma can't make black holes
YES HE CAN
limpid agate
No, he can't.
twin umbra
EVEN IN HIS GAMEPLAY HE MAKES A SMALL BLACK HOLE IN HIS HAND THAT HE USES TO SUCK PROJECTILES IN
limpid agate
Uh huh.
twin umbra
AND IN THE LORE VIDEO ITS CLEAR HE WAS HARNESSING A BLACK HOLE
limpid agate
Which lore video showed he had a black hole
limpid agate
Not a black hole
twin umbra
If it was a black hole, then the Earth would be gone.
it was a small black hole that failed
keen summit
junker queen is seen travelling around the world visiting places, and most likel...
thats all in australia
limpid agate
That's a singularity
twin umbra
thats it im not arguing with you anymore, your extremly stubborn in a way that makes zero sense
shadow marsh
I get the impression here that speculations aren't quite taken as facts here until it was truly shown canon
limpid agate
They arent. Especially when it comes to gameplay
twin umbra
it isnt speculation, Sigma was harnessing the power of a black hole
because gravity is a harness
limpid agate
That's a singularity, not a black hole.Two different things.
twin umbra
That's a singularity, not a black hole.Two different things.
its not a singularity ffs
limpid agate
You are mixing them up because there is a singularity at the center of a black hole
But not all singularities are black holes
twin umbra
But not all singularities are black holes
now your just gaslighting me and confusing me
shadow marsh
Interesting
twin umbra
please just stop talking now
shadow marsh
I've only known that today
twin umbra
im done with it
twin umbra
gaslighting means to make someone think that something is true when it is now
its essentially a form of lying
shadow marsh
Uh
twin umbra
design to make you believe something became true
limpid agate
Yeah thats wrong too
shadow marsh
Can we calm down
twin umbra
like if i said that your ballon was suppost to be green instead of red, thats gaslighting
twin umbra
Yeah thats wrong too
see thats gaslighting
limpid agate
Gaslighting is to make you question your sanity and your mental state, not lying. Otherwise all lying is gaslighting.
Nonetheless
twin umbra
Gaslighting is to make you question your sanity and your mental state, not lying...
thats a straight up lie, gaslighting is just designed to make you believe something that isnt true
ivory garnet
singularities are events that cant be explained pretty sure, not 100% certain tho
limpid agate
Yeah, and the Overwatch devs arent really physicists either
They just take something that sounds cool and use it
Like Hard Light
Which is also physically impossible
twin umbra
the fuck is hard light anyways
limpid agate
Hard Light
ivory garnet
physical light
limpid agate
Exactly what it sounds like
ivory garnet
green lantern esc stuff
limpid agate
They will never tell us
twin umbra
Hard Light
out of context it just sounds like horny light
shadow marsh
Solid light..
limpid agate
But yeah basically Green Lantern shit
Also again, you dont need to ping every message
limpid agate
But if you want to come in here and post lore lists, you cant just have it filled with incorrect or speculative information and get overly defensive when people tell you otherwise.
That is how misinformation spreads.
And why 7 years later people still think Mercy resurrected Reaper
limpid agate
Like you said, someone told you that Junkerqueen was in Dorado
And then you continued that with your list
ivory garnet
Junkerqueen hasnt been out of the outback ever pretty sure
twin umbra
And then you continued that with your list
well not everyones crimes are outright stated
its hard to confirm everyones crimes in the overwatch universe
limpid agate
Before Zero Hour, most people had no crimes
twin umbra
because the Dev team refuses to share anyhting
wooden sleet
Well the overwatch wiki says he was attempting to harness a black hole but failed
twin umbra
Well the overwatch wiki says he was attempting to harness a black hole but faile...
im not gonna trust the wiki for once
infact I rarely do
worthy rose
I’m pretty sure sigma was very chaotic and insane when he failed he must’ve killed someone
ivory garnet
the overwatch wiki is good to read from my understanding
worthy rose
Didn’t they take him in because he was too dangerous?
limpid agate
I dont think they said anyone died
shadow marsh
At least in gameplay, some of it is 50% canon.. while the other 50% is for gameplay mechanics
wooden sleet
I don't think the overwatch wiki has ever posted large misleading information
limpid agate
It has, but I usually removed it
ivory garnet
all game abilities are in the pins if thats what ur referencing then centipede
wooden sleet
Oh
ivory garnet
all game abilities are in the pins if thats what ur referencing then centipede
that transfer to lore ^^
twin umbra
I never really liked the concept of phsyical light you can touch, if it was it would probably burn you
wooden sleet
We can always go with magic
limpid agate
We cannot
twin umbra
We can always go with magic
or just say its a diffrent universe with diffrent logic
limpid agate
The only magic in universe is in Japan
ivory garnet
only magic based character is Kiriko
twin umbra
and not try to make it like its our universe
wooden sleet
I still remember people going crazy over magic being confirmed
shadow marsh
all game abilities are in the pins if thats what ur referencing then centipede
Yup I've took a look of it before, just saying for the new peeps
keen summit
The only magic in universe is in Japan
which always makes me laugh
wooden sleet
The only magic in universe is in Japan
So unfair the Asians get all the cool stuff
From magic to gamer mechs. What's next
ivory garnet
Crusaders are cooler imo
twin umbra
the dutch get a gravity version of magneto
wooden sleet
That's because they are all buff and tall
twin umbra
so im happy
limpid agate
Terrorism - Baptiste, Doomfist, Ramattra, Reaper, Sombra, Widowmaker
Moira - Moira
Organised Crime - Ashe
International Crime Spree - Junkrat, Roadhog
Vigilantism - Ana, Cassidy, Kiriko, Soldier 76
Theft (from Vishkar) - Lucio
Nondescript Crime - Hanzo
Crimes for Vishkar - Symmetra
Feared symbol of the Crisis - Bastion
Minor assault in Binary that no one seems to care about anymore - Torbjorn
Post Zero Hour Overwatch - Brigitte, Echo, Genji, Mei, Mercy, Reinhardt, Tracer, Winston
Post New Blood Overwatch - D.Va, Pharah, Zarya
No Crimes - Junkerqueen, Orisa, Sigma, Sojourn, Hammond, Zenyatta
worthy rose
Junker queen has no crimes because she lives in a town with little rules
limpid agate
She lives in a town where she makes the rules
wooden sleet
I love how moira is her own category
shadow marsh
Far as I know Mauga was supposed to be the one with the Gravity powers, it was given to Sigma instead because it doesn't fit him
limpid agate
Far as I know Mauga was supposed to be the one with the Gravity powers, it was g...
Thats half right
mauga was supposed to have Sigma's kit
twin umbra
Far as I know Mauga was supposed to be the one with the Gravity powers, it was g...
pretty sure he was not gonna have gravity powers
limpid agate
But they didnt fit his personality, so they made Sigma and turned it into Gravity powers
wooden sleet
Wasn't it also that sigma kit was to passive for mauga personality
twin umbra
for once we agree taiga
wooden sleet
He was supposed to be like a crazy version of rien but with less restraints
ivory garnet
mauga is a much more aggressive fighter than sigma will ever be
worthy rose
Who the hell is mauga
twin umbra
they both got that giant body type, big heads, crazy hair
wooden sleet
I pray the rock does not voice act him
twin umbra
and they both samoan i think, mauga im not sure if he samoan or not
although maui was also mainly a Maori legend
wooden sleet
Who the hell is mauga
A character the overwatch community was hyped for but then got sigma instead
ivory garnet
Who the hell is mauga
Talon soldier
worthy rose
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/180471683759472640/591451514740932608/m...
Bob
shadow marsh
Quite unfortunate he didn't make it at the roster
wooden sleet
I really hope the next tank is him. I've been waiting for so long
limpid agate
The devs said they still wanted to make him a hero, so we will see him pop up eventually
twin umbra
Maui is pretty much the Loki of Maori mythos, hes a trickster god who can turn into animals, hes actually my favorite god because he beated up the sun with his mothers bonejaw (or demi god i think i cant remember that bit)
worthy rose
Tank yeah?
limpid agate
yes
ivory garnet
its only confirmed that that will be one of the mini bosses though right Taiga? its the same in Retribution right?
limpid agate
its only confirmed that that will be one of the mini bosses though right Taiga? ...
No
ivory garnet
looks similar
limpid agate
The picture is just a comparison gif to show that he is a Heavy Assault
The enemies in Retribution were heavy assaults
twin umbra
I really wonder whos gonna voice him
limpid agate
Its like how Widowmaker is a Talon Sniper
ivory garnet
ahh okay
twin umbra
Imagine if they actually got dwayne the rock to voice him lmao
ivory garnet
yeah i get it
wooden sleet
She lives in a town where she makes the rules
Can't she still be judged by the UN? Like this is a common thing done irl
shadow marsh
It's up to the devs to change him ig
ivory garnet
no, the outback/junkertown is its own place now
limpid agate
Junkrat and Junkerqueen were born and raised in Junkertown
wooden sleet
Like even though she makes the rules the UN can call then out on abusing things
limpid agate
Its not their fault its the way it is
shadow marsh
It's up to the devs to change him ig
At least more than a heavy assault
ivory garnet
Australia doesnt care about the outback anymore
twin umbra
bro he is so cool looking tho
keen summit
We dont know no
wooden sleet
I hope not
twin umbra
YES I GOT IT RIGHT MAUGA IS SAMOAN
limpid agate
Most likely
We dont know his ethnicity
But based on his name, he is probably Samoan
twin umbra
We dont know his ethnicity
his name means mountain in samoan
keen summit
It could be partly but we've seen people survive a ground crushing punch to the face like with genji
limpid agate
We still dont know his Ethnicity
twin umbra
even if hes not Maori id still love him to be in the game
limpid agate
Roadhog is speculated to be Maori
ivory garnet
It could be partly but we've seen people survive a ground crushing punch to the ...
he was punched in the chest
limpid agate
But he is Australian
In the same vein, Mauga is speculated to be Samoan
But he could be Canadian or something else
twin umbra
Roadhog is speculated to be Maori
I think hes Maori that just moved to Aus
keen summit
he was punched in the chest
Yes but still thats also a huge thing
keen summit
Cuz leveling skyscrapers is never shown with doom but putting huge craters has
twin umbra
what proves it for me is this taunt, the cup hes holding has a Maori cultural symbol often seen in their culture
twin umbra
Doomfist cant level skyscrapers
then why did that kid say that
shadow marsh
Merely an exaggeration
twin umbra
Because its a kid
I know i just wanted to mess around
limpid agate
Im not going to press do not distrub
twin umbra
why not
limpid agate
Because one person pings every message shouldnt prevent me from hearing notifications in every other server
twin umbra
Because one person pings every message shouldnt prevent me from hearing notifica...
do you work as a discord mod
limpid agate
I used to moderate this server, yes.
twin umbra
in any of those servers
limpid agate
And I do in others, yes.
twin umbra
alright then fair enough
if you didnt moderate in other servers id just tell you to stop making excuses because why should you care about people pinging you in other servers
but i respect discord mods so ill stop pinging you
limpid agate
You should respect people for asking, it shouldn't matter if they are staff or not on any server
bitter island
is Echo english?
ivory garnet
her primary language is english yes
twin umbra
not every person is gonna respect that
ivory garnet
no
twin umbra
thats why the do not disturb feature was made
bitter island
what nationality is echo
ivory garnet
omnic
twin umbra
ill stop pinging you
bitter island
omnics can have nationality too like zen is nepal
limpid agate
Echo is not an omnic
shadow marsh
She's an advance robot, I wouldn't say multilingual but she can probably speak language other than English
twin umbra
because im not like those discord dinguses
limpid agate
But she also doesn't have an ethnicity really
bitter island
no whats her home country
limpid agate
She was made in Switzerland
bitter island
she has a english accent
gray kayak
@twin umbra you've expressed your point, that's enough. Focus on lore discussion.
ivory garnet
Echo is not an omnic
yeah my bad
twin umbra
technically shes a singapore citizen
limpid agate
But she emulates the personality of her creator, Mina Liao, who was Singaporean
She isnt
twin umbra
<@674480719388737561> you've expressed your point, that's enough. Focus on lore ...
already moved on dw
limpid agate
Technically and literally she isn't a Singapore citizen
Echo isn't a citizen anywhere in the world
twin umbra
she is a singapore citizen, says so in the lore
limpid agate
No, it doesnt
ivory garnet
Mina Liao is yes
limpid agate
If you want to say it says so in the lore, provide a source
bitter island
i just hope we get a British character one day that isn't a Charles Dickens mega stereotype
ivory garnet
Echo isnt
limpid agate
Mina Liao, her creator, was a Singaporean citizen
twin umbra
she was created by a singapore person, making her a citizen of singapore
shadow marsh
Well she's created by a Singaporean scientist but.. yeah she's a robot
ivory garnet
no
limpid agate
That's not how that works
shadow marsh
Not the robot that has sentience
ivory garnet
citizenship doesnt work like that
bitter island
i thought she's a sentient AI not a robot
twin umbra
think of echo as her baby
limpid agate
If a man from Singapore goes to America, impregnates someone, then dies.
That child isn't a citizen of Singapore
twin umbra
then shes swedish
ivory garnet
think of echo as her baby
if a person born in australia moved to the US and had a child there, the baby isnt a Australian citizen
limpid agate
She isn't Swedish
twin umbra
WHEREVER
limpid agate
Switzerland
bitter island
nationality is where you're from
twin umbra
sorry
bitter island
she doesn't have rights?
limpid agate
Evidently not
ivory garnet
doesn’t necessarily need them
twin umbra
you have no idea how much i want to slap you for saying that, no offence
shadow marsh
i thought she's a sentient AI not a robot
She's sapient(?)
twin umbra
especially after playing detroit becomes human
wooden sleet
Echo isn't viewed as a person
gasp what about all my echo ships
limpid agate
Well if she was a person
twin umbra
Echo is not an object
limpid agate
She wouldn't have been on an American Military freight train on her way to an airplane graveyard
She is legally an object
She's not an omnic
twin umbra
she shouldnt be legally an object
bitter island
yeah a lot of Overwatch characters would get really mad if you called Echo an object and not a person
limpid agate
America is a country that gives Omnics rights
bitter island
Winston would primal rage
limpid agate
Echo isn't an omnic
ivory garnet
she wasnt built as an omnic
shadow marsh
She's an adapting robot
twin umbra
she was built by the inventor of omnics wasnt she
limpid agate
So was Athena
twin umbra
or someone who made omnics
ivory garnet
doesnt make her an omnic
wooden sleet
Isn't she just an advance ai
twin umbra
so shes excluded because she was not built to be an omnic
but was made by the same person who made omnic for a company hence their name omnic
and I thought the racism in harry potter was bad
ivory garnet
Echo was Mina Liao’s own project/property
bitter island
i thought Athena was Echo
twin umbra
thats a car
ivory garnet
i thought Athena was Echo
no
twin umbra
im not a car expert sorry
limpid agate
Echo is not an omnic
twin umbra
look
wooden sleet
Clever analogy
twin umbra
yes i get that echo is not an omnic, but she shouldnt be an object either
twin umbra
she is capable of thoughts, like the rest of the omnics
limpid agate
Im not arguing based on my opinion. Im arguing based on what was shown in universe
twin umbra
even if she is just copying people, she clearly just copys what she finds to be useful or what she enjoys
wooden sleet
Echo is echo. It doesn't matter what other people think. What she thinks o herself should matter
ivory garnet
she cant shapeshift
twin umbra
im sorry i just love echo as a character, she is my favorite
limpid agate
The point is that this started with someone asking about what ethnicity or nationality Echo is
She doesn't have one
twin umbra
well shes singapore in my eyes
limpid agate
She's emulating the personality of her Singaporean creator
But she herself is not Singaporean
twin umbra
even if the lore does not say it
ivory garnet
she would be swedish if she was a human
limpid agate
No she wouldnt
twin umbra
can she even get citizenship in a country
limpid agate
Echo has been known to be in 3 countries
bitter island
i think she's English because of her accent
ivory garnet
i mean swiss btw, not swedish
twin umbra
echos voice is inconsistant
in the overwatch 2 trailer
she has a completely diffrent voice
or the voice actor
ivory garnet
she had 3 different VA if im not mistaken
twin umbra
forgot how to voice her
shadow marsh
In the Rio de Janeiro PvE too
twin umbra
i dont like what blizzard has done to echo
its like they dont really care about her
they didnt even model a overwatch 2 skin for her
ivory garnet
^
limpid agate
Widowmaker and I think Mercy also had 2 VAs
shadow marsh
Although that's who she is right now in lore, she's a favorite to me still despite the inconsistency
limpid agate
But they got replaced before launch
ivory garnet
they didnt even model a overwatch 2 skin for her
whats there to remodel?
twin umbra
whats there to remodel?
id say the same for every other character with that logic
ivory garnet
the other characters are able to change their gear
limpid agate
The only reason Echo released in OW1 was because they promised her back at Blizzcon 2018
twin umbra
the other characters are able to change their gear
echo could get some new armor plating, or start wearing clothes like genji did
ivory garnet
echo, someone who was in a case all until right before Zero Hour, would have time to change
shadow marsh
All I've known is she's an adapting robot that learns. She understands everything but probably not like how humans do in social norms
Unless, there's a better explanation than that
twin umbra
echo just reminds me of myself in some aspects
i say some aspects
i wouldnt be so arrogant to claim i am littearly her
ivory garnet
echo could get some new armor plating, or start wearing clothes like genji did
she was in a case for a very long time until right before zero hour, and clothes would get in the way of her machinery
twin umbra
she was in a case for a very long time until right before zero hour, and clothes...
look why does every character apart from the new ones that were added in overwatch 2 get overwatch 2 skins, why is she excluded, it feels wrong to me
ivory garnet
because…they can change how they look and were able to..
shadow marsh
Though gameplay isn't entirely canon, one of her hero spray shows she's wearing an apron
twin umbra
because…they can change how they look and were able to..
and they couldnt even try for echo, that just sounds lazy
ivory garnet
or like they cant change her because the lore wouldnt be right…
twin umbra
bro her overwatch 2 look could come from after she meets the gang from reunion
like winston upgrades her look
to make her function even better then before
ivory garnet
she didnt see winston until zero hour…
ivory garnet
ow2 skins are from zero hour+
twin umbra
its really not that hard to just give her some changes
ivory garnet
it is…
ivory garnet
you can tell by the amount of skins she has how hard it is to give her a canon look
shadow marsh
I doubt Echo needed more upgrades, she herself is far advanced than an average omnic
twin umbra
you can tell by the amount of skins she has how hard it is to give her a canon l...
what is that even suppost to mean
twin umbra
she doesnt have many skins…
thats because the dev team dont prioritize her
ivory garnet
they cant prioritize everybody…
twin umbra
all of which arent canon mess with her whole model…
her millitary model version could be what the echo model design was based off of
and not every character has a canon version skin either
twin umbra
no
shadow marsh
I doubt Echo needed more upgrades, she herself is far advanced than an average o...
We can see how she avoided the missiles through with aerial maneuver in Zero Hour.
twin umbra
i think you are biased against echo
ivory garnet
ur biased for echo…
ivory garnet
im not…im stating how hard it’d be to give her another canon skin…
twin umbra
and whats with the ... btw
ivory garnet
and how she wouldnt have had time to change her look between reunion and zero hour
twin umbra
it makes you look nervous, like your afraid what your saying is gonna made me tear you apart limb from limb
ivory garnet
because everything ur saying is based off of bias
twin umbra
so is u
ivory garnet
no
twin umbra
yes
twin umbra
your explanations behind why blizzard refuses to do much with echo makes no logical sense, every hero was given fair amounts of attention exept echo, and i believe its because they do not really care for her character, they essentially forgot her
ivory garnet
zenyatta has 0 to no lore
shadow marsh
Can we calm down, this Lore discussion
twin umbra
if blizzard focused on echo better she may have had more skins or content
twin umbra
zenyatta has 0 to no lore
that is deliberate
okay lets just sotp
stop
move on
new topic
ivory garnet
if they forgot her she wouldnt have been in zero hour
twin umbra
I like reinheart
reinhardt
i forget to spell his name
it sounds like heart
lore discussion just died lmao
wooden sleet
So like anyone hyped for the pve story this year
shadow marsh
Been waiting for it since ow2 was released, Just lowering my expectations and hope it won't go to a stalemate so quickly
ivory garnet
we had a peak at what the PvE will look like in the halloween event
its not exactly like it
but it has that hud
limpid agate
I hope that its not like the Halloween event
And they learn from that
That event had no replayability
For PvE to be successful, and for them to continue expanding it
It needs to be good
And for it to be good, it needs to have replayability
rare trail
when did echoes creator die?
peak escarp
unknown
rare trail
it was after anubis right?
rare trail
so like around 25ish years ago
peak escarp
probably more recent than that
peak escarp
20 years
rare trail
when is the golden age?
peak escarp
shadow marsh
Does anyone have an image of Aurora with Symmetra in it?
rare trail
when did the doom attack take place?
peak escarp
rare trail
i dont like the idea of orisa joining overwatch
i really like her current lore of defending her city and i wouldnt want overwatch to have another big doom counter
peak escarp
it probably wouldn't be permanent
shadow marsh
I doubt she would join
rare trail
like having 2 of the 4 most powerful in overwatch seems kinda op
peak escarp
like having 2 of the 4 most powerful in overwatch seems kinda op
well the game is called Overwatch
rare trail
yeah all orisa cares about is numbani
peak escarp
what's wrong with the title group having powerful characters?
rare trail
it kinda lowers the stakes if the main characters are really really powerful
peak escarp
I don't expect high stakes from the story mode
rare trail
is the staff rework canon?
peak escarp
also, Winston is a top 4 strongest hero yet we all feared he would die in Zero Hour
rare trail
yeah
peak escarp
so having powerful heroes doesn't really affect the stakes because they're only as powerful as the plot requires
wooden sleet
you know its hilarious how many people miss this in other forms of media
signal ore
Yup
bitter island
are the Omnic statues in Nepal and Shambali technically "AI generated art"?
peak escarp
lol depends if omnics made them I guess
bitter island
oh i assumed the omnics definitely made them which i also thought was weirdly vain for monks
had a lot of time to think about them with all my running back from spawn💀
rare trail
are the Omnic statues in Nepal and Shambali technically "AI generated art"?
depends on if you consider omnics ai
bitter island
i think they're sentient but they must qualify for "artificial intelligence"
rare trail
well not really
like their intelligence isnt artificial
their sentience happened after aurora ascended
her ascension caused the omncs to become sentient
or ig sapient is a better word
omnics as robots arent natural they are created by humans
but their intelligence isnt artificial
peak escarp
intelligence and sentience aren't the same thing
their intelligence is artificially made
their sentience/sapience came from Aurora
and we don't know how she achieved it
rare trail
if liao was still alive could they replicate aurora?
silent schooner
has sigma technically ascended in the same way Aurora did? he has a voice line with zenyatta where he tells zen he met with the iris
or could that just be sigma being insane
rare trail
hes probably just crazy
you cant "meet" a state of being
so it doesnt make sense to meet the iris
peak escarp
if liao was still alive could they replicate aurora?
Liao didn't even know how Aurora became sentient
zinc halo
i could see D.VA fighting Mauga
Why dva
zinc halo
she is literally a side quest giver in lore
She has pve voicelines so she is prolly
zinc halo
I suppose i could fix ana and soldier then
Rein
wind portal
it kinda lowers the stakes if the main characters are really really powerful
Winston is genetically engineered, Doomfist is just a man with a gauntlet.
the fight wasn't fair regardless
rare trail
Winston is genetically engineered, Doomfist is just a man with a gauntlet.
Doomfist is a man with many cybernetic enhancements and a very powerful punch we didn’t see the whole fight it could’ve been close
wind portal
Winston would definitely win a second time if they ever encountered each other again, since Winston is also smarter and probably has more battle IQ than their first encounter
also the one thing I hate about the Zero Hour cinematic is that it literally takes place at the end of Storm Rising, and Mercy was definitely still with them so idk why she just up and left
rare trail
Winston would definitely win a second time if they ever encountered each other a...
You don’t know Winston would win a second time dooms cybernetics have definitely improved since then and both have more experience in battle since then
Winston has a better chance but it’s not 100%
wind portal
Winston was able to out-smart Reaper a few years after that fight went down, Reaper is significantly stronger than Doomfist at this point in time so I'd place my bet on Winston winning again
rare trail
Outsmarting reaper doesn’t mean he could outsmart doom and he didn’t really outsmart reaper it was just reapers arrogance that lost him that fight
peak escarp
Winston would win because he's the main character
rare trail
Yeah
wind portal
Winston would win because he's the main character
on-top of just being genetically stronger than doomfist
rare trail
I mean he’s genetically stronger but without plot armor doom has a chance
Do you think genjis armor could take a bullet?
I wouldn’t think it could given it’s probably solely built for agility
wind portal
He'd deflect the bullet before it could hit him tbh
rare trail
Not necessarily
idk how good his reaction time is
the only things we've seen of deflect is hanzos arrows (slow compared to bullets) and the omnic from zero hours bullet which he knew was coming and was slower than a regular bullet
wind portal
his reaction is good enough to deflect hanzo arrows up close, and isn't afraid to fight omnics with bullets or something
wind portal
the only things we've seen of deflect is hanzos arrows (slow compared to bullets...
he deflected the arrows almost point black iirc
rare trail
something i think is odd from dragons is the amount of force that goes into hanzos arrows
like at 3:40 he fires an arrow which launches genji 10ish feet and puts him through a thin wall
rare trail
it's like a futuristic compound bow
you still need to put the same amount of force in
compound bows are harder to pull back
clear kestrel
well then it's just a technologically advanced future bow
it fires arrow with more force
rare trail
but like you cant just generate energy
like its possible that its electric somehow but that seems kinda unlikely
clear kestrel
railgun disguised as a bow
rare trail
i mean the arrows can reorient themselves midair so it having a lot of force isnt the most unrealistic part
clear kestrel
I mean if we're talking about realism what the fuck is Genji's sword made of
rare trail
also btw do we have an explanation for how they do that?
wdym?
its just like steel i assume?
ivory garnet
I mean if we're talking about realism what the fuck is Genji's sword made of
some type of metal
like any other katana
clear kestrel
I mean if we're talking about realism what the fuck is Genji's sword made of
how is that thing able to slice through a robot
rare trail
genji got that rgb lighting
ivory garnet
how is that thing able to slice through a robot
force
clear kestrel
the size of a titan
rare trail
how is that thing able to slice through a robot
its strong
ivory garnet
velocity
clear kestrel
maybe it intense vibrates and is made from some kind of exotic material so the cutting edge is
the way it is
clear kestrel
it can withstand some metal in a robot
that's
not
How it works
rare trail
that's
not
How it works
yes
it
is
ivory garnet
ur questioning a futuristic katana, but not a flail that rips through omnics like nothing
clear kestrel
strength doesn't equal cutting ability
rare trail
hanzo wasnt using it
he didnt say let the dragon flow through you or whatever he says
clear kestrel
no but it probably articificially enhances his strength anyway
rare trail
in zero hour you can hear genji saying his thing
rare trail
no but it probably articificially enhances his strength anyway
uh source?
clear kestrel
there is no source
we're hypothesizing
ivory garnet
my speculation is their dragons represent 2 different forces through their summoning tools
Genji: A striking force
Hanzo: A constant force
rare trail
like it might enhance his strength but we dont know
yeah genjis seems to like enhance his strength in short bursts
and hanzos
it uhh
can shoot at peopel
clear kestrel
and the sword itself is probably special
rare trail
and damage them maybe
ivory garnet
Genji wouldnt have been able to cut through the hand most likely without his spirit
clear kestrel
it's not just a regular katana
clear kestrel
I mean in terms of materials
ivory garnet
well it obviously has a good enough material and that he has enough strength to cut straight through a car with no problem
rare trail
yeah
its very durable
maybe in overwatch another metal is found out or something to make reins hammer armor etc
clear kestrel
strength of material and strength of the wielder do not equate to cutting power
so either it's the dragon spirit that gives it the ability to cut through anything
rare trail
i dont think it can cut through anything
clear kestrel
or it's a vibroblade with a ridiculously fine cutting edge
rare trail
what exactly is a vibroblade?
ivory garnet
a strength of the material does equal to cutting power…it has to be durable enough to handle the force behind the object cutting
clear kestrel
that's just to withstand
it doesn't dictate how sharp the object is
rare trail
its just a really fancy durable katana probably supplied by overwatch or something and genji is really strong
clear kestrel
omfg
rare trail
even like unsharpened with enough force it can go through robot hand
like are you asking how its sharp?
ivory garnet
so either it's the dragon spirit that gives it the ability to cut through anythi...
if he could cut through anything, he’d be the most powerful in the verse
peak escarp
it's implied to be made by Kiriko's father
clear kestrel
if he could cut through anything, he’d be the most powerful in the verse
I mean isn't that already implied?
ivory garnet
no?
peak escarp
since he was blacksmith to the Shimada family
clear kestrel
not the strongest entirely but close to it
ivory garnet
he isnt close wt all
ivory garnet
he’s like top 13
rare trail
like doom solos him easily
clear kestrel
you're still wrong about the sword thing though
peak escarp
Genji got wrecked by Doomfist in one punch
rare trail
genji is not durable but hes really strong
clear kestrel
what exactly is a vibroblade?
the idea is that the blade vibrates so intensely that it's able to cut through shit on a molecular level
rare trail
if genji was a stand
power: a
speed: a
range:d
stamina:b
precision:a
merry mason
doomfist cant be more durable than a giant metal hand
rare trail
the idea is that the blade vibrates so intensely that it's able to cut through s...
i think its just a normal katana my guy
merry mason
nah its got sci fi magic
ivory garnet
kiriko does
rare trail
nah its got sci fi magic
not really
theres nothing hinting toward it being anything else than just a katana
peak escarp
he's got a spirit dragon
merry mason
not really
did u see the dragon (also it has a light switch)
peak escarp
the sword itself doesn't seem to be anything special
sharp trench
plot balanced katana with magic spirit dragon
ivory garnet
my theory is his dragon amps with strength
clear kestrel
fine
then the spirit dragon is the only reason it can cut through shit the way it does
on it's own it'd just break
rare trail
the dragon isnt a part of the sword
ivory garnet
fine
then the spirit dragon is the only reason it can cut through shit the way i...
the sword is pretty durable
rare trail
fine
then the spirit dragon is the only reason it can cut through shit the way i...
i dont think so
its just a really good katana
clear kestrel
the sword is pretty durable
make up your mind
merry mason
there's no katana that good
ivory garnet
we dont know
clear kestrel
then it wont break but it certainly wont cut on its own
rare trail
there's no katana that good
its 58 years in the future theres better katana making processes by then
clear kestrel
no sword is that good on its own
that's now how it works
doesn't matter what its made of
rare trail
what is the sword made of to you
just liek steel
ivory garnet
then it wont break but it certainly wont cut on its own
he cut a car without the dragon
rare trail
again 58 years in the future
clear kestrel
then it's a vibroblade
it's just basic physics
merry mason
its 58 years in the future theres better katana making processes by then
so it is a scifi magic katana
ivory garnet
genji doesnt use magic
rare trail
so it is a scifi magic katana
its not magic itself its just well made
rare trail
then it's a vibroblade
it's just basic physics
no
merry mason
then it's a vibroblade
it's just basic physics
vibroblade isnt real technology
clear kestrel
NOTHING IN OW IS REAL TECH
rare trail
being really durable =/= vibroblade