#lore-discussion

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peak escarp
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no healing though (although his music does make you feel good)

rare trail
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a rhythm to fight to?

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what does that mean?

peak escarp
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he helps people fight in sync, so they can coordinate better

rare trail
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wait if sound barrier and that is canon he doesnt seem awful

peak escarp
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think of it like those exercise classes that are set to music

rare trail
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like not great but not an easy worst

ivory garnet
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he wouldnt care for them

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echo isnt an omnic

frank hearth
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See I thought that at first too, but then I looked at his interactions and in general he's actually very positive toward animals

ivory garnet
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brand of robot created at an Omnium

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morale boost instead of healing

dawn topaz
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Well she'd be omnic-adjacent since her creator worked at the omnica or whatever, wouldn't she?

ivory garnet
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you could say that

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but she isnt close to an omnic what-so-ever

peak escarp
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Echo is a robot but not an omnic

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a Ford is a car but not a Toyota

dawn topaz
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The point wasn't that she is an omnic

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It was that she was created alongside them by Mina Liao

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Not as one of them

peak escarp
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she was created long after the omnics

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Echo was created in the later days of Overwatch

dawn topaz
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fair enough

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I still don't see why Ramattra would see her as a mockery of omnics

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which was the whole argument

peak escarp
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I don't think he would either

dawn topaz
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The voicelines, while not canon, do paint pictures of how the characters see/would see eachother if they interacted. And Ramattra seems to only truly dislike her socializing with humans

rare trail
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ram doesnt like echo but not because "shes a mockery of omnics"

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its bc she likes humans

sage whale
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I think that all of the OW lore is from fortnite

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just sayin

sage whale
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dw about it

rare trail
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i dont remember a man who got a black hole in his brain and his mind got fractured and then captured by a eugenicist terrorist group and then never appeared again

dawn topaz
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I do believe Ramattra sees her as equal to his kind, but just has a personal dislike of her being an "observant pet" to humans

rare trail
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yeah

peak escarp
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he would want her to side with her own kind

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not with humans

rare trail
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like he doesnt like mondotta but he doesnt see him as a mockery of omnics

dawn topaz
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Ramattra does not seem to have a very good sense of humor, too

rare trail
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how much violence against omnics do you think ramattra has caused?

dawn topaz
rare trail
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i feel like there should be a distinction betwen sentient omnics and non sentient ones

dawn topaz
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Yet he laughs at Wrecking Ball's explanation of "A wheel would fall over"

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Is Luna or whatever her name is sentient?

rare trail
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aurora?

dawn topaz
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this lady here

rare trail
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what is she from?

dawn topaz
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she appears on one of the france maps

rare trail
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hmm

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probably

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theres a good chance she was made before aurora

dawn topaz
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I mean, she sings at a cabaret named after her, so probably

rare trail
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and i dont think civilian omnics were made after aurora anyway

ivory garnet
rare trail
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yeah

ivory garnet
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junkrat is racist towards them

rare trail
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even if junkrat said something he found funny he wouldnt laugh

dawn topaz
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I doubt that

ivory garnet
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there is no doubting

rare trail
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well like he hates junkrat

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like hates

ivory garnet
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all junkers are racist towards junkrat

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omnics*

dawn topaz
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Junkrat is just insane, he doesn't know to hate anyone

ivory garnet
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all junkers hate/are racist towards omnics

rare trail
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read going legit

dawn topaz
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He never shows any direct hate towards omnics though

rare trail
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watch the plan or whatever that ones called

rare trail
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"that one, hes all right. got his history straight. knows the omnics can't be trusted"

dawn topaz
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Fair enough

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Though he does seem to try and be a better person in overwatch 2, judging from his voicelines

rare trail
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"getting paid to blow up omnics? almost too good to be true"

dawn topaz
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The one with ana

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"It's so hard judging right from wrong, if only there was someone to guide me" or something like that

rare trail
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idk

ivory garnet
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cant always rely on voicelines

rare trail
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hes still racist though like

dawn topaz
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"an adoptive mother, if you will"

rare trail
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ehhh

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like you can just not be racist

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you dont have to have ana telling you racism is bad

dawn topaz
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I mean, it's alot deeper than that

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From that voiceline we can assume that junkrat had no parental figures in his life

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Not to mention he grew up in racism town, so obviously he'd have sucked up all that negative energy and propaganda

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He grew up hearing racism is good

rare trail
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yeah

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but like

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hes racist

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just because we know why hes racist doesnt mean its okay for him to be racist

dawn topaz
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Until proven otherwise*

rare trail
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?

dawn topaz
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He's racist until blizzard gives half of the cast some actual character development which will hopefully happen in the pve

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Because just his overwatch 2 design screams "reforming"

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I'm not saying that he'll become unracist

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But the possibility is there

rare trail
dawn topaz
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His hair

rare trail
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?

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cleaner hair = not racist?

dawn topaz
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He went from
"Hsbfjwjsheuwhdusj" to "G'day Ma'am how may I be of assitance"

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He is reintegrating into society

rare trail
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i dont think its that deep man

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and he cant really reintegrate

dawn topaz
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He has obvious character development, we just have no idea what his character developed into

rare trail
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why

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why do you think that

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different hair?

dawn topaz
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Yes

rare trail
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its just hair

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like until we see him reintegrating into society we cant say anything

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like he got a haircut

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thats all

dawn topaz
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That's the thing though

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He got a hair cut and it's not on fire

rare trail
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yes it is

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its got the little orange flame bits coming off it

dawn topaz
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Wait actually?

rare trail
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yeah

dawn topaz
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Shit he does

rare trail
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could be cool for him to reform

dawn topaz
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My entire character analysis is in shambles

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My entire argument:

ivory garnet
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junkrat’s entire character is supposed to look like an unprotected pyromancer

rare trail
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rest in piece battle mercy maniacs argument you will be missed

dawn topaz
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He does seem a bit more sane and especially more professional though

ivory garnet
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its a foil to roadhog

rare trail
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junkrat is buff omg

dawn topaz
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Idk what it is but overwatch 2 junkrat looks less like a threat because he seems like he knows what he's doing

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Meanwhile his overwatch 1 appearance is looks truly insane and unpredictable

ivory garnet
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he does know what he’s doing

dawn topaz
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Also he got healthier, his skin isn't pale anymore PogChimp

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My argument about him reforming has risen from it's grave

rare trail
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he is pretty underweight though

dawn topaz
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Yeah gotta eat more

ivory garnet
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also idk how much u can trust his ow2 skin

rare trail
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bros gotta bulk up

ivory garnet
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we’ve only seen him in ow1 skin and scarecrow

dawn topaz
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Bro's gotta eat roadhog

dawn topaz
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Because you can only give so much attention to everyone

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And because pve isn't even out yet

peak escarp
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incredible how much healthier you can be when you're not in a city of irradiated metal

dawn topaz
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Anyways @peak escarp since your the professional, how canon would you rate the redesigns

peak escarp
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they're all good

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they're as canon as their OW1 designs

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some of which we haven't seen in canon either

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like Mei's

dawn topaz
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So uhh, what happened to the doomfist gauntlet then

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Was it just upgraded or...

peak escarp
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it was upgraded when he took it from his mentor, it can be upgraded again

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his mentor wore it on his left arm

alpine pawn
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how did i miss junkrat talk

rare trail
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ye

alpine pawn
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anyway hot take hes hotter now

rare trail
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fr

dense nebula
rare trail
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thatll be doom buff

golden seal
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Junkrat might be redeemable when he ceases being Junkrat

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Cuz there's no erasing that he and Roadhog both killed innocent people/robbed the masses and have to answer for that eventually

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Even Roadhog doesn't really like Junkrat most of the time, he just knows Jamison is the best person to fuck everything up with little effort

peak escarp
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who wants to redeem Junkrat?

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that would ruin his character

urban summit
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Imagine killing your husband in his sleep😴

peak escarp
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imagine rescuing your wife from a kidnapping and just assuming she's okay to fall asleep around

alpine pawn
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i mean probably most junkers we get wont be above murder

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survival in a collapsed area and all that

dawn topaz
rare trail
dawn topaz
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Wife issue tbh

rare trail
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fr

alpine pawn
peak escarp
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I want to know what Amelie was like before

vapid tusk
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Is amelie widowmaker?

rare trail
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yrd

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yes

peak escarp
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Moira was only responsible for her conditioning after she killed Gerard

vapid tusk
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She was a retired ballet dancer wasn’t she

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Wife to some important guy that talon considered a threat

alpine pawn
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i just supposed she did first too, since she was treating her anyways, but yeah she joined talon after that

peak escarp
vapid tusk
rare trail
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neither got brainwashed

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widow was conditioned

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sigma wasnt changed at all

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by moira

alpine pawn
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wow she scaped a controling family for an even worse controling terrorist group, man i feel bad for her

peak escarp
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Moira is responsible for altering Widowmaker's physiology so she feels less emotion and her heart beats slower (turning her blue)

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Moira hasn't done anything to Sigma as far as we know

vapid tusk
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I thought talon influenced Sigma to work for them

dawn topaz
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Wasn't Widowmaker first designed to have wide open eyes all the time?

vapid tusk
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I’ve heard about that

rare trail
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but he isnt brainwashed or anything

vapid tusk
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Oh ok

alpine pawn
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it was a good change, in some scenes she would look terrifying but if she was always open eyed sometimes she would just look like a fish

vapid tusk
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I mean imo manipulating a mentally unstable person should count as brainwashing

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But that’s just me tho

dawn topaz
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Ehh, not really

rare trail
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i mean but they didnt brainwash him

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he just doesnt know theyre terrorists

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and eugenicists

dawn topaz
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Brainwashing is forcing someone to believe what you want them to

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Manipulating people has more class and style

rare trail
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theyre just lying to him

vapid tusk
dawn topaz
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Mid brainwashing vs chad lying skills

alpine pawn
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gaslighting lmao

vapid tusk
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Is Sigma the oldest

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Or is it ana

peak escarp
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Sigma is 62

rare trail
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i think sigma

peak escarp
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Ana is 60

rare trail
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reapers 58

peak escarp
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Reinhardt is 61

rare trail
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orisa is one month ol

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old

astral pumice
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Does the hamster have fleas🤔🤔🤔

alpine pawn
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i think shes a year now

random sigil
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So how old is Reapers daughter

rare trail
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does reaper have a kid?

peak escarp
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Reaper has a young son, he seems to be around 10 years old

astral pumice
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14 YEAR OLD HAMSTER????

alpine pawn
peak escarp
rare trail
peak escarp
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I made this before Ramattra was added

vapid tusk
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31 (40)

rare trail
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hes at most 30 right?

peak escarp
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he's around 30 yeah

vapid tusk
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31 (40)

alpine pawn
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i imagine 40 is counting cryo

rare trail
peak escarp
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Mei was 31 when she went into cryo 9 years ago

rare trail
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so she was born 40 years ago but its 31 biologically

vapid tusk
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I see

peak escarp
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so biologically she's 31

alpine pawn
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and mentally too since stasis

peak escarp
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but she has lived for 40 years

glad star
peak escarp
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Kiriko is 24

rare trail
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really?

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how was she trained w/them?

glad star
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anti age cream

peak escarp
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Her bio says she was 12 when Sojiro was killed, which was 12 years ago

vapid tusk
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Women magic

peak escarp
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she was a child when they were teens

vapid tusk
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Poor genji

rare trail
vapid tusk
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Why does kiriko not use a sword tho

rare trail
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assuming kiriko is at least 6 in that image

rare trail
vapid tusk
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The fox becomes me!

peak escarp
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I'd guess Kiriko is 5, Genji is 16 and Hanzo is 19

vapid tusk
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Oh I keep forgetting she’s not a shimada

glad star
rare trail
alpine pawn
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bastion also is older than he acts but then again he spend since the omnic war deactivated

rare trail
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"older than he acts"

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like hes a robot

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thats

vapid tusk
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He’s a machine

rare trail
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like

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thats not how that works

alpine pawn
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idk if hes a full omnic

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no like honestly not sure lol, he seems to have a personality and opinions and all that so surely he is

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so if hes an omnic he can change and learn

vapid tusk
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He is an omnic

alpine pawn
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then he can mature

vapid tusk
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All machines that have sentient lives are omnics

alpine pawn
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like orisa was way more naive in ow 1 than now

vapid tusk
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The bastion units were a part of the omnic crisis

alpine pawn
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yeah then why would you assume he cant act based on his age as time hes existed, a person is not mature cause they grow grey hair as theres very wise young people, is experience and intronspection which are omnic capacities

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obviusly he skips the whole being a child thing but he was still like a couple months worth of experience

ivory garnet
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he’s not a battle machine like all of his other models were

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he’s friends with torbjorn’s group

alpine pawn
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yep thus the older than he acts

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zen and ram for example have all that lived and act like many humans at their age would, well obviathing their both big deals

peak escarp
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Bastion acts like a toddler

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because it doesn't know the world

alpine pawn
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exactly

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hes physically 30 but hes mentally just a kid, good thing hes not human there

golden seal
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Weird Hammond's description sort of counteracts what he's really up to lately

fair fox
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Torb made bastion? Right?

peak escarp
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Torbjorn designed the Bastion model

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but he didn't build them all himself

rare trail
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What’s the difference between conditioned and brainwashed in reference to how widowmaker was “made”

limpid agate
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Do you brainwash your dog to go to the front door when it needs to take a piss?

rare trail
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make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure.

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How is this not what they did to widow

limpid agate
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Because they didnt change her beliefs

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She volunteered

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And then they conditioned her

rare trail
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?

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She was kidnapped

limpid agate
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Thats not when she was made into Widowmaker

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!!loreheroes widowmaker

twilit nacelleBOT
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limpid agate
rare trail
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Yes but what did they do to her to make her think killing her husband is good

limpid agate
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She doesnt think killing her husband was good

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She still cares about Gerard

rare trail
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Before she was taken by talon she didn’t want to kill her husband

limpid agate
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And in present day

rare trail
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What happened in talon which made her want to do that

limpid agate
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She still cares about Gerard

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And defends his memory

rare trail
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Like she killed her husband right after being kidnapped by talon

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What did talon do to her

peak escarp
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they made her into a sleeper agent

rare trail
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But like isn’t that process called brainwashing?

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The way they made her into a sleeper agent

peak escarp
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In the dead of night, Talon operatives kidnapped Amélie and subjected her to an intense program of neural reconditioning, in effect creating a sleeper agent. Gerard devoted Overwatch’s every resource to recovering his bride, and it wasn’t long before the operation produced results. His agents saved Amélie, and a medical and psychological evaluation after the kidnapping found her to be apparently no worse for wear. Their official assessment proved fatally inaccurate two weeks later . . . when they discovered she had killed Gérard in his sleep.

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the description doesn't call it brainwashing, they call it neural reconditioning

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I suppose it's effectively the same thing

rare trail
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intense neural reconditioning sounds a lot like forcing someone to adopt radically different beliefs

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Idk

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It’s just semantics anyway

peak escarp
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the real question is... did she enjoy it because of what they did to her, or did murder awaken something in her that was always there?

rare trail
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I kinda want to believe it’s the latter but it’s probably the former

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Interesting thing to think about though

peak escarp
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maybe she could be rehabilitated, but that would be a boring end to her character

rare trail
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Yeah

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I wish reaper was more of a threat

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Like he just constantly takes losses

vocal marsh
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It’s mainly because of plot armor

peak escarp
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he just needs to fight someone who isn't Winston

rare trail
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Fr

peak escarp
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he did pretty good against the mechs in Infiltration

rare trail
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He fought Ana and soldier once

peak escarp
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and would have killed Jack if Ana hadn't been there

rare trail
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Yeah

peak escarp
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he retreated because he doesn't want to kill her

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she's probably the only person in Overwatch he doesn't want to kill

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(maybe Cassidy too - I can't WAIT to see that reunion)

rare trail
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How does he feel about genji?

peak escarp
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he wasn't that close with Genji

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Cassidy was pretty much his second-in-command of Blackwatch

rare trail
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How big was blackwatch,

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4 ppl?

peak escarp
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there were 4 named heroes, but they had a whole base and support staff

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plus they worked with Gerard

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side note - the Retribution comic is so good

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I love how the beep of the bomb transitions into the beep of the cardiograph

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also this panel

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the artist knew what he was doing

rare trail
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And that leads into the gameplay mission retribution?

peak escarp
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yep

rare trail
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That’s sick

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I wish I was playing when that was active

peak escarp
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well actually

rare trail
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I’m hoping they will bring it back w/story mode but idk

peak escarp
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which then leads into the mission

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because the trailer ends with Cassidy narrating, and that's how the mission starts

rare trail
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That’s cool

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How many of those missions were there

peak escarp
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three

rare trail
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Retribution and kings row uprising

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What’s the last one?

peak escarp
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Uprising, Retribution and Storm Rising

rare trail
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Storm rising is genji mercy tracer and rein iirc

peak escarp
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yes

rare trail
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Uprising is torb tracer rein and Ana maybe

peak escarp
rare trail
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Damn

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There’s a really small chance it’ll get brought back when story mode comes out but probably not

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Ig I just missed it

peak escarp
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it's possible it will be brought back in the PvE

spiral umbra
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Which character has the deepest backstory

civic yew
ivory garnet
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no

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he probably has one of the shallowest we have seen

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he only has his origin story

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Reaper, Tracer, Winston, Soldier, and Ana all probably have the deepest

civic yew
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But they have the most lore.Deepest is what hits hard or something like that right?

ivory garnet
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deepest could mean that

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or have the most

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imo Reaper or Genji has the deepest

civic yew
limpid agate
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So you dont know what Sigma's backstory is then

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Or Genjis

urban tendon
ivory garnet
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yes, Sigma had a tragic backstory, but I wouldnt say its worse than Genji

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i would rather be captive and insane, than my limbs getting sliced off by my own brother

urban tendon
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I think I’d take a cyber body and enlightenment in exchange for family issues and beratement

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Sigma got his brain sent into the 4th dimension by a blackhole and only got years in quarantine and being used as a weapon

dawn topaz
civic yew
dawn topaz
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exactly because blizzard cant give every character the attention they need

vagrant nymph
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I think sojourn is appart of the fnaf lore

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In fact, she's an animatronic

dawn topaz
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Did normal history happen in overwatch lore?

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Like did WW2 and other tragic events happen?

drowsy violet
grand wedge
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The Overwatch universe is like an alternate futuristic version of Earth

dawn topaz
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I know that, but I could've sworn that the devs said that a certain event or something didnt happen in the canon

grand wedge
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Hum…

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Maybe in the GDC talks from 2017? Or in the Artbook?

limpid agate
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Everything prior to 2016 happened in OW

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So anything afterwards didnt

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Like COVID or Ukraine

undone birch
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winton

ivory garnet
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fascinated with the future of Hanzo

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its mysterious

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and not easy to tell what will happen

cosmic yarrow
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bro

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how come anas darts know when to heal allies and when to damage enemies??

peak escarp
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she changes the darts as needed

dawn topaz
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If I had a penny for every support hero where their whole gimmick is having the same abilities but one heals and the other damages I'd have 3 pennies

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Zen has 2 orbs
Moira is all about her healing and damage
And Ana has her heal and antiheal stuff

ivory garnet
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idk if her anti heal is canon

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ik her grenade is

dawn topaz
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Well her primary fire is the same thing

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it both heals and damages

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and in canon she has to manually choose when to do what

ivory garnet
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anti-heal and dmg isnt the same

dawn topaz
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Pretty sure anti is a synonym for opposite, and the opposite of healing is damage

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the point is that the can both heal and damage people

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with the same ability

ivory garnet
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her anti heal is not being able to heal someone

dawn topaz
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I know what ana does

terse arch
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Biotic rifle

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Bio= living

deft nebula
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Lucio strongest in verse no lies

wet spruce
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Lol

rare trail
deep crest
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Is there any lore behind how Rein has basically every nationality type of skin?

peak escarp
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skins aren't canon

rare trail
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and ow1 and ow2 base skins

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balderich and griefhardt are kinda canon

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like that armor exists but rein wouldnt be wearing it

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oh yeah and lieutenant wilhelm

ivory garnet
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thise are extras

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same as bastion’s gwyshin, null sector, and his orange one

summer sonnet
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strongest lore character is me

random sigil
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So will mercy biologically stay the same age forever

opaque tundra
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Why does everyone think this

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As far as we know, every human character ages normally

peak escarp
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no, Mercy ages normally

static pollen
rare trail
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you agree/

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?

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what does that mean?

peak escarp
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about liking Cassidy

rare trail
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ohhhh

static pollen
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😭

bitter elm
maiden granite
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someone said a while ago that dva's in-game voicelines were "poorly chosen" or something similar. is that true and why?

ivory garnet
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i dont think they are, as they match up with her personality

limpid agate
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Reinhardt has his serious lines as well as his big boisterous Reinhardt lines.

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And his short showed bothsides.

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While D.Va in game is exclusively cocky gamer

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And D.Va in the short is exclusively solemn and serious

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If she had a few solemn and serious lines instead of literally 1 Eichenwalde line that didn't feel that solemn, it wouldn't be as jarring

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And in OW2, I dont think they added a single line.

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So she still just has a different personality in that short for no reason

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Kind of like how Kiriko has 3 different personalities across all 3 of her appearances

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Game, Short, and Story

edgy kindle
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Wait if tracer has the ability to control time, does that mean she never ages?

ivory garnet
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she cant control time

wind portal
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She does age but it's very weird

edgy kindle
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Oh dang

wind portal
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Like it's not in the normal way that everyone else ages

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because she's essentially lost to time

edgy kindle
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But I understand wym

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She cant control it, more like phase between it, kinda ? 💀

wind portal
#

It's more like a weird time shift

edgy kindle
#

Yeah

wind portal
#

and since this has been on my mind I might as well ask it, I'm assuming Hammond joined Overwatch at this point? since some Voice Lines are hard-pointing at Hammond joining overwatch in the actual game

ivory garnet
#

no

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hammond is adventuring the world pretty sure, unless he is still cooped up in junkertown

wind portal
#

Interesting, considering we got some lore drops about Hammond and Winston's relations and it would've been interesting

ivory garnet
#

neither have seen eachother since they both left lunar space colony pretty sure

peak escarp
wind portal
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I know her aging has weird properties though

peak escarp
#

it doesn't

wind portal
#

I think Chu explained it at some point

peak escarp
#

the idea that she ages differently has never come up in the lore - it's an invention by the community

wind portal
#

Ah, and another question I have. Did we finally understand what happened to Reinhardt when he got disbanded from Overwatch originally or did I just miss out on a part of the lore?

peak escarp
#

the details have never been given

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just that something happened on a mission he was leading, and he was forced to retire

wind portal
#

do we know the timeframe or was it just a random mission that he was 'forced' to retire?

limpid agate
#

It was between Uprising and Storm Rising

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Which were a year apart

dawn topaz
#

What are the limits of Sombra's hacking in the canon?

#

Could she trigger D.Va's self destruction while also locking Hana in her mech?

limpid agate
#

The overdrive yes

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But not the explosion itself

#

As that had to be caused by shooting the reactor

magic ivy
#

Strike commander Morrison for soldeir

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Slipstream for tracer

#

These are all canon

limpid agate
#

Yes, SOME skins are canon

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But you cant just look at skins and say

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Yup these are all canon

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The question was

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Is there any lore behind how Rein has basically every nationality type of skin?

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The answer

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They're not canon

dawn topaz
#

ok but are the gods canon?

#

Like did the gods of olympus or whatever really look like the heroes in overwatch lore?

limpid agate
#

No of course not

ivory garnet
#

i still have to make the list

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and finish it

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its abt canon skins

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quite a few

#

Reaper’s canon skins are his base skins, dusk, masquerade, soldier 24, and blackwatch

zinc lynx
#

Where is Numbani located in Africa right now?

#

Why name a not existing country instead of using the existing one? Like we have all other countries in Overwatch

gaunt phoenix
zinc lynx
gaunt phoenix
#

And on the border of the African Savannah

zinc lynx
#

Is using an African country considered as offensive?
I mean there's also Marvel with Wakanda

gaunt phoenix
#

Not at all

eternal magnet
#

does anybody know baps lore 🙏

gaunt phoenix
eternal magnet
zinc lynx
gaunt phoenix
#

Numbani is near Nigeria. Its to give geo contexte too.

gaunt phoenix
dawn topaz
ivory garnet
#

gods of Olympus event isnt canon

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PvP isn’t necessarily canon, shouldnt be thinking it is

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the whole world would be in shambles if “Gods” fought like that on an unstable plain

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and if JQ was to have the most kills, it would make no sense for a JQ statue to be there in lore

limpid agate
#

Its just Blizzard flavour

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Same reason why Reinhardt's story has Junkrat and Roadhog, despite having never heard of their existence

rare trail
dawn topaz
#

They could be ancestors

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Hell Zeus slept with almost anything

ivory garnet
#
  • it doesnt line up with their mythology
rare trail
#

i think that the depictions of zeus just match up with jq in the lore

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they just happen to look similar

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and ilios just has a statue of zeus

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(or whoever wins the olympus thing and gets the statue)

dawn topaz
#

ok but why would people create a statue of a fucking cyclops or the minotaur

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They're not gods

rare trail
#

and greek related

ivory garnet
#

only events that are cannon is junkenstein, and all the archive missions

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storm rising, retribution, uprising

rare trail
#

junkenstein is canon?

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i thought it was just a legend in lore

ivory garnet
#

its seen as a halloween mock event

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or it could be seen as a fairytale-ish story

rare trail
#

i dont think that olympus event is canon but the statue is what imn trying to explain

ivory garnet
#

which would still make it canon, as its told in lore

rare trail
#

like the story is canon but it didnt really happen

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probably

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i think that poseidon just happens to look like ramattra so if they made a statue of poseidon it would look like ramattra

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and rein just kinda looks like a minotaur

dawn topaz
#

I mean

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Poseidon does not look like a robot at all

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The minotaur isn't a small guy in a suit but instead just a big bull guy

rare trail
dawn topaz
#

I meant the skin

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he looks like he'd literally just some armor around water

rare trail
#

i think he doe

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like the shoulder joints and stuff

rare trail
#

went into the soldier enhancement program with 76 and then joined overwatch when blackwatch was made he joined and became leader of that and then after overwatch fell he joined talon where moira experimented on him and when he almost died from an explosion a big dose of the stuff moira was experimenting on him with made him the wraith he is now

narrow spindle
#

Does reaper get the life steal mechanic from moiras purple stuff

rare trail
#

he doesnt have that in the lore

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he can constantly regenerate and degenerate

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so any hit that doesnt kill him he can come back from

narrow spindle
#

I mean I’m pretty sure when he kills a person he uses his cells to take in another persons cells

narrow spindle
rare trail
narrow spindle
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Nvm

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I think I just got miss information

rare trail
#

he knows and likes ana

narrow spindle
#

Isn’t pve coming out this year?

rare trail
#

probably

#

they said it is iirc

narrow spindle
#

Most likely will have to do with null sector

rare trail
#

yeah

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we already have kings row uprising and ram just released so theres a really good chance

narrow spindle
#

Hopefully it isn’t just a recycled version of the last null sector event

signal ore
#

I like mercy’s lore

rare trail
#

idk hers is kinda boring to me

gaunt phoenix
#

So Baptiste was born in Haïti but just before the Omnic crisis. After a lot of turmoil because of the Omnics, Talon came and 'saved' the town. After that Baptiste wanted to make some changes. So he joined Talon. But After seeing that they plunder and killed. He Saw a kid just like him and it clicked. He was doing more harm than good. So he deserted Talon and joined Overwatch.

#

Atleast thats what i remember.

eternal magnet
#

oh shit u remembered 😭

worthy rose
#

I just found out that widow maker has a voiceline where when she kills tracer, she says: “Looks like I hit you this time”. And in the widowmaker trailer tracer dodged the bullet but mondetta got hit instead. Idk if you guys alr know this but like me being me I just found out PogChimp

gaunt phoenix
#

I know thats why i said thats what i remember and i abriged it because of Time contraint.

limpid agate
#

Yeah but its mostly incorrect

#

Talon didn't save his town during the crisis.

rare trail
limpid agate
#

he was an orphan that joined the Caribbean Coalition when he was of age, which was basically a united army for the countries in the caribbean, and he became a combat medic/spec ops.

worthy rose
#

Idk the story behind ana eye patch can someone tell me

rare trail
limpid agate
#

Once he was done serving in the military, he joined Talon, which was a mercenary group that was looking for combat medics

worthy rose
#

Oh

#

Cool

eternal magnet
rare trail
#

Ana is a better shot than widow though

gaunt phoenix
worthy rose
rare trail
#

Ana just hesitated and was punished

limpid agate
#

His time with Talon started as just mecenary work, but then they started putting him in worse and worse missions, and he got disgusted with what he became, so he deserted

rare trail
#

There’s a comic about it

worthy rose
#

I just got into Overwatch lore so like winStare

limpid agate
#

Cassidy recruited him into Overwatch years later

rare trail
#

It’s called like legacy or something

gaunt phoenix
limpid agate
#

Talon may have not even existed at the time

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They had no part in it

#

They're unrelated

gaunt phoenix
#

I think im mixing up thing so it was the omnics?

limpid agate
#

What

#

Was what the omnics

gaunt phoenix
#

Or was it just a big riot?

limpid agate
#

What are you talking about

gaunt phoenix
#

Well for Baptiste !

rare trail
#

Anubis attacked Baptistes home when he was a kid

limpid agate
#

Baptiste joined the military after the Crisis ended

#

He didnt fight the crisis or a riot or Talon

#

Or anything notable

rare trail
#

Has he done anything in ow yet?

limpid agate
#

No

#

He just joined

#

He did help in Korea fend off the Gwisin in New Blood #5

#

Thats it

worthy rose
limpid agate
#

Years after the crisis

rare trail
limpid agate
#

Like, 20 years after

rare trail
#

how old is bap?

worthy rose
#

Aight

rare trail
#

36?

worthy rose
#

Yeah probably

#

Amari says he’s young

#

Who was the person in talon with baptist?

rare trail
#

mauga ig

#

baptiste was just a foot soldier in talon

dawn topaz
#

How canon is brit considering there's billboards of her in kanezaka

peak escarp
#

she seems to be a mascot for a virtual travel house

#

so she's canon meaning that she exists, but she's a fictional character within the world

dawn topaz
#

yes bestie is real

iron plume
#

Sorta

#

It's a character that had mechs as her abilities back when they were designing for Prometheus, which was the game that was scrapped and had its assets used for Overwatch

dawn topaz
#

What I still would like to know is what they meant by support and damage mechs

#

I'd love to play dps or support d.va

fast beacon
#

I think it would be cool if Sojurn had more lines with Genji because they're both highly cybernetically augmented humans.

past copper
#

Wouldn’t make much sense if that’s the only reason

#

Literally Torbjörn and Doomfist are cybernetic augmented humans

#

But you don’t see them interacting with each other or others like them for that only reason

crisp sail
#

Well I’m the lore technically people do get shot

peak escarp
#

many people have gotten shot

#

some have even died

wind portal
twilit hill
#

Anyone want watermelon

rare trail
#

getting shot doesnt seem that bad in ow

#

like winston can shrug off bullets

#

ana surived a headshot

peak escarp
#

Ana had a concussion and amnesia

#

Winston wears armor

#

getting shot is as bad in Overwatch as it is in real life

#

also Tracer got shot in the lung

#

and needed eight hours of surgery

lethal tendon
#

shot to the lung would kill u irl tho fs right?

#

actually maybe not

peak escarp
#

if you didn't get immediate medical attention

lethal tendon
#

tracer did so

peak escarp
#

it wouldn't kill you instantly

lethal tendon
#

ig u right

#

lore accurate sombra would be actually crazy in the game

ivory garnet
#

only thing that isnt lore accurate is she cant hack titan class omnics

#

as she can in lore

lethal tendon
#

notrre

#

i mean like being able to hack enemy gadgets to be beneficial to you like winstons shield or teleporters

#

stuff like that

wind portal
#

you'd just insta-win fights if you were able to control gravity on a level that sigma can

ivory garnet
#

he has no lore feats

#

his game version is currently stronger than his lore version

rare trail
#

idk the random gravity things around him seem kinda good

wind portal
#

he has a lot of experience with gravity from the stuff we do know about him in lore however

ivory garnet
#

its speculation that makes him that strong in lore

wind portal
#

Symmettra ain't speculation though

#

she could singlehandedly take down talon if she really wanted too

ivory garnet
#

when was symm apart of this, she is 2nd strongest

wind portal
#

if we're talking op overwatch characters

twilit epoch
#

whats monkey boys lore

twilit hill
#

Winstons lore is i dont know

peak escarp
#

he was a specimen on the Horizon Lunar Colony to test the long-term effects of living in space

#

the other apes on the colony rebelled against the scientists, killing them

#

Winston liked the scientists, so he built a rocket and returned to earth and joined Overwatch

wind portal
#

do we know how Doomfist's gauntlet works or is it just 'punch things harder'?

peak escarp
#

it hasn't been explained

worthy rose
clear olive
worthy rose
#

Indeed

#

Has a good relationship with Junker queen, in game she asks him to make her things and he accepts saying it’s too easy

clear olive
#

Damn, I like seeing the wholesome relationships between heros

worthy rose
#

Wouldn't getting shot by Ana's healing darts during battle be annoying?

#

And what happens if she hits a vital or important area?

worthy rose
#

Imagine her team just walking out of battle with a bunch of darts stuck in their backs

#

And poor Rein not getting any heals

worthy rose
#

Lol they would get overdosed and faint lmao

#

Idk if they would faint or not but whatever the side effects are they won't be fun

urban tendon
worthy rose
#

I think ana’s weapon doesn’t shoot darts or anything solid

#

Probably compressed healing liquid/gas like in Baptist’s bombs

ivory garnet
#

its liquid

#

or, biotic

#

so same as bap yes

limpid agate
#

@ivory garnet @worthy rose It does shoot darts

#

We've seen the darts

ivory garnet
#

yes i know its darts

opaque scroll
limpid agate
#

They just said it doesnt shoot darts and you agreed

ivory garnet
#

darts use liquids to extract the healing or dmg process

limpid agate
#

!!loreComics

twilit nacelleBOT
#

Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG

Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI

Tracer - London Calling:
Use !!LondonCalling

Cassidy - New Blood:
Use !!NewBlood

ivory garnet
limpid agate
ivory garnet
#

yes i know, ive sent that ss here before

limpid agate
#

I cant remember if the original tweet says its darts

#

!!loreTweets

twilit nacelleBOT
#
ivory garnet
#

it touches up about how her rifle works, but im pretty sure her darts use biotics like mercy’s staff, soldier’s healing pod

limpid agate
#

Yes

ivory garnet
#

i just misread their comment, as i thought it said it is darts

worthy rose
#

Then what about Baptist?

ivory garnet
#

uses biotic healing

#

same as mercy, ana, soldier

limpid agate
#

!!shitposting

twilit nacelleBOT
#

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

surreal socket
alpine pawn
#

some people do be finding basic instructions hard

uneven tulip
#

no extended sigma lore why live 😔

latent quail
#

Genji is the best

rare trail
uneven tulip
#

still 😔

remote kayak
#

Why does everyone always say to hanzo something along the lines of him being a coward or something like that

dry marlin
#

prob bc he killed his bruvha

rare trail
dry marlin
remote kayak
#

I looked it up! He killed his brother

dry marlin
#

see

#

its "bruvha" btw

ivory garnet
#

he severely injured him

dry marlin
#

well you right kinda

#

he said he killed him

#

but he was still aline

#

now he cyborj

wind portal
remote kayak
#

How did he do that?

rare trail
#

they wanted him to kill genji

#

he was following orders

wind portal
#

but he still didn't, IIRC he didn't want too

rare trail
#

he didnt want to but he thought he killed him

#

like he went through with it

wind portal
#

atleast their relationship is more lore accurate in game than it was in OW1

#

my boi hanzo was straight up toxic towards genji

rare trail
#

what are their interactions?

#

also genji could beat hanzos ass in a fight its not even close

wind portal
#

a bit of resentment mostly

wind portal
drowsy violet
#

When Ram talks to Pharah about being, "One of Anubis' Jailers", and that... "You should've destroyed it"

#

what does that mean?

#

What is Anubis (other than the place)

peak escarp
#

read the comic "Mission Statement"

#

the god program Anubis was quarantined in the Temple of Anubis after the omnic crisis, which Pharah's team is supposed to be guarding

#

Anubis was the cause of the omnic crisis

drowsy violet
#

sheesh

ivory garnet
#

he’s just shocked and conflicted

#

clouded mind and judgement

mortal hemlock
#

need more junk lore

wind portal
#

atleast we know he is or was a scientist at some point

peak escarp
#

Junkrat?

#

he was never a scientist

mortal hemlock
#

I wanna know about his damn arm

wind portal
#

He was something before he went crazy though

peak escarp
#

he didn't go crazy

#

he was always like that

#

he was born in the irradiated outback

mortal hemlock
#

probably bomb related but it's not confirmed how he lost his arm, if I remember correctly he has a voiceline about the leg

#

junk has the potential to be the best writen character in overwatch

peak escarp
#

Junkrat is a joke character

mortal hemlock
#

exactly

#

that's the reason

wind portal
#

man I love how they fixed the interactions between Symmettra and Zenyatta though

mortal hemlock
#

like, what was his childhood like too?

#

what inspired the riptire

wind portal
#

in OW1 Sym was a dick to Zen in the game even though Sym sought him out for advice in lore, and now in OW2 Sym is a lot more kind to Zen

peak escarp
wind portal
#

Don't blame Junk tbh, Hammond is essentially king of the arena

mortal hemlock
proud iron
#

give widow maker her ass back!

#

#widowmakerneedshelp2023!

worthy rose
# wind portal but he still didn't, IIRC he didn't want too

Hanzo’z father was killed, Hanzo becomes leader of the clan, elders ask Hanzo to kill his brother, Hanzo agrees, Hanzo realises what he’s done and leaves the clan out of shame, to honour his brother he still goes back to the place they fought and does some Japanese culture things idk also he doesn’t use swords anymore because he used one to kill his brother, one time when he’s honouring his brother some cyborg appears and reveals himself to be Genji

worthy rose
#

Sigma solos

viscid flame
#

LIke there's a difference between stabbing a dude and whatever happened to Genji

#

Like Hanzo was just supposed to kill Genji, not literally cut him to pieces but somehow still not kill him

#

I want to know what exactly he bloody did lol

limpid agate
#

Hanzo was supposed to straighten out Genji and make him fall in line

#

Not kill him

viscid flame
#

Hanzo after giving genji the EP3 Anakin special (He was just trying to teach him discipline lol)

signal ore
#

Hanzo must have the most lore written for him.

shadow parcel
scarlet saffron
#

hi

mortal hemlock
#

more ball lore

drowsy violet
#

AND ROADIE GOT THE MUNCHIES

#

AND THENNNNNN!

#

Roadhog ate it

#

like how he eats everything around him

#

including pachimaris

rare trail
#

like is there a short story about it?

dark lichen
#

Mostly through interactions and other hints I believe.

#

But yeah, Hanzo wasn't told to kill Genji, just to get him in line and to act more mature.

#

They broke into an argument which then broke into a fight, with Hanzo messing Genji up pretty bad. Believing he killed him, he fled the scene, or something.

#

Then Overwatch shortly after showed up, likely to sort out the clan.

limpid agate
#

!!loreheroes hanzo

twilit nacelleBOT
#
limpid agate
#

@rare trail

rare trail
#

like oopsie woopsie i accidentally killed someone

#

by chopping of their legs and arm

#

maybe by forced to kill him the elders said something like if genji refuses you have to kill him or hanzo did it out of obligation because he thought the elders would say that

peak escarp
#

it's possible that Hanzo just delivered a single blow that severed his spine

#

and the limb replacements were all part of becoming a cyborg

#

my guess is that Hanzo asked Genji to fall in line, Genji refused, Hanzo got angry and lashed out

#

he does seem to have anger issues

karmic turret
#

God I love the rein + ana voice lines

#

I swear if blizz doesn't give us a nice cutscene with rein meeting ana again in the pve

#

Ima be mad

limpid agate
#

Ana probably wont be in the PvE

rare trail
#

the doomfist short is so good

rare trail
#

he isnt in it

#

he wouldnt have known about the recall and wasnt recruited in new blood

peak escarp
#

Genji told him to "pick a side"

rare trail
#

kiriko is kinda like orisa

peak escarp
#

but didn't outright invite him to join Overwatch

rare trail
#

like kiriko just cares about protecting her city just like orisa

peak pebble
#

Where do i fight people to party with

#

What chat

#

-_-

silent schooner
#

i feel like ramattra is the “new” main villain of overwatch and not doomfist

peak escarp
#

he is

#

the first PvE story arc will probably end with Ramattra being defeated

patent star
#

To lame tho

silent schooner
#

there’s gotta be at least some build up

#

hell, it could even be through a cinematic with Ramattra and his presumed work with Talon

peak escarp
#

cinematics are likely

latent quail
#

Hi anyone on

zinc halo
#

rein vs ram 1v1

ivory garnet
silent schooner
#

the focus is on null sector

ivory garnet
#

PvE’s focus is still on both groups

silent schooner
#

talon will 100% be coming back but there hasn’t been much happening with them

rare trail
#

i mean if they did like foot soldiers or something

#

like what bap was

ivory garnet
#

we do fight talon members

#

thats already been shown

peak escarp
#

we fought Talon in Retribution and Storm Rising

#

and they have been shown as an enemy faction in the PvE

ivory garnet
peak escarp
#

because her heart is slowed

wind portal
#

she's an experiment of moira's

rare trail
#

its not finished yet so the skins tones might not be perfect

#

also is that implying that widow can shoot shurikens out of the air?

wind portal
#

Widow is an extremely trained assassin so yeah

#

though Genji would still be the better of the 2 imo

rare trail
#

yeah genji is way more powerful than widow

peak escarp
#

Widowmaker is most effective when you don't know she's trying to kill you

#

in a 1v1, Genji would win

rare trail
peak escarp
#

at range, Widowmaker would win

wind portal
#

Genji can handle himself against range

#

he's superior to hanzo after all

#

and I would place my bet on hanzo being more skilled at range than widow any day

ivory garnet
#

widow would win if far away

#

she is more skilled at range

rare trail
#

he might be able to deflect though

ivory garnet
#

deflect what

rare trail
#

the bullet

ivory garnet
#

with

rare trail
#

im talking about genji

#

are you talking about hanzo?

ivory garnet
#

mhm

peak escarp
#

Widowmaker is a better shot than Hanzo

#

she's also skilled at hand to hand combat, but Genji is a cyborg

ivory garnet
#

genji could undoubtedly get up close to widow so it wouldnt be hard for him to win

peak escarp
#

he'd overpower her

ivory garnet
#

quite interested on if sombra will canonically hack genji’s suit during the mission tho

peak escarp
#

I wonder if she even can

ivory garnet
#

i feel as if it should be possible

#

as its still cybernetic

peak escarp
#

can she hack cybernetics?

ivory garnet
#

i dont think so

rare trail
#

i doubt she could hack genji

peak escarp
#

I would only expect her to be able to hack things that have computers

ivory garnet
#

maybe

#

but it being machine makes me believe she can

peak escarp
#

we've seen her hack omnics and security systems

wind portal
ivory garnet
#

they’re both cybernetics

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just because it isnt sojourn’s doesnt mean she cant hack them

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I doubt Sombra would even be fast enough too even if she could, considering Genji is faster

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we havent seen sombra try and hack cybernetics

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doesnt take long for sombra to hack something

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Genji would probably just blitz both before they can do anything, since Genji can more consistently track Tracer which Widow struggled to

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widow struggled to track tracer?

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she fairly kept up with her

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She couldn't keep up with Tracer in a 1v1

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she beat tracer in the 1v1

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its an equal series rn

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1-1

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The only reason she managed to catch tracer was because she got super lucky with her venom placement

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no

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did you miss the whole part where she shot her bomb out of midair?

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she was tracking tracer perfectly fine, ofc she would have trouble with it due to it being at close distance. Widow tracked Tracer going up the stairs perfectly fine, knew where she was going hence her venom mine, and outsmarted tracer

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widow won that 1v1

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no luck was needed

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it was when Widow went for the shot on Mondatta that she was able to finally beat tracer but that was only because tracer got so incredibly pissed off

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Tracer got mad after she saw Mondatta dead

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and Widow didnt try to fight her after that since her work was done and she was ready for pick up

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and we still don't have an overwatch vs talon civil war styled fight yet smh

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widow won that 1v1 v tracer in alvie

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alive

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i dont understand why she didnt just take the shot at the beginning on mondotta though like she had a second before tracer interrupted her

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for the drama

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King's Row has to be the worst place to live in though fr

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Are you mocking the UK or is it because of the Omnic uprise?

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both

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widow

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Widow

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Ana

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Ana outclasses everyone in Aim

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Ana is indeed better than widow, widow was able to take her eye but before that ana hit her in the head with a bullet

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Ana was in a bad position when Widow managed to get the hit on her

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She was caught off guard which is why she lost her eye

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What does that have to do with the story

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Ana was the better shot, but she hesitated