lore-discussion

[rare trail]

no shambali is a religion it doesnt give people souls

[ripe axle]

Is there a new leader for Shambali tho? Cuz Mondatta got killed

[peak escarp]

probably

we don't know who it is though

Zenyatta has already left the Shambali

[ripe axle]

Same with ram

[worthy rose]

Theory: Those two dragons are the ones who the Shimada clan descended from

I haven't seen it mentioned outright

But it would bring up some questions

[limpid agate]

Its just a story

The point was that there is a story that parallels the brothers

There is no literal ancient dragons

[worthy rose]

Why hanze have too drago

[limpid agate]

Because that looked better for gameplay

[worthy rose]

And gebnji have one

[limpid agate]

They give 0 lore explanations for them

[worthy rose]

Well it's cos Genji has 1 pp

And Hanzo has t-

[ripe axle]

Isn't it explained as technology or sth?

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[peak escarp]

it's not explained at all

[limpid agate]

@ripe axleNo

They dont talk about it at all

[worthy rose]

Dragon spirits

[limpid agate]

The most they said was "its not magic" and then they made Kiriko

So

[worthy rose]

Not tech

[limpid agate]

Who the fuck knows

[peak escarp]

the community tried to explain it, but that was thrown out when Kiriko was introduced

[ripe axle]

lmao

so it's unexplainable?

[worthy rose]

It could be the spirits of their dead ancestors

[peak escarp]

she told Zarya Sombra's real name

in the comic "Searching"

[worthy rose]

What is it?

[peak escarp]

Olivia Colomar

[ripe axle]

I just find it funny that DVa can just eat up a literal dragon

[worthy rose]

Technically no

She eats the arrow

[limpid agate]

Gameplay != Lore

[ripe axle]

Well, the arrow guiding it atleast

[worthy rose]

Can't eat the dragons

[ripe axle]

Yeah I understand

[worthy rose]

Why does Hanzo need an arrow to unleash the dragons?

Does Genji have a dragon tattoo?

[ripe axle]

Speaking of, before turning into Reaper, can Reyes turn into mist like form?

[ivory garnet]

he was getting his wraith before joining talon

[worthy rose]

No

Can I have your opinions on the best sounding ult lines?

[ripe axle]

Is there any source/comics that I can look for it?

[ivory garnet]

he started moira’s experiment whilst they were in blackwatch

[ripe axle]

Right

Tyty

[ivory garnet]

moira origin story

shows her experimenting on Reyes

[ripe axle]

I actually thought they started it after they joined talon

But thanks for the information

[ripe axle]

Kiriko with Japan va

And Lucio's Japanese va as well

[worthy rose]

I think Hanzo, then Genji, then Lucio

In their native languages

[ivory garnet]

its theorized he has the tattoo on his right arm, like hanzo has it on his left arm

no confirmation though im pretty sure

[worthy rose]

...J-Japanese....

[ripe axle]

Yes

[worthy rose]

Man just said Japanese and thought he'd get away with it

[ivory garnet]

summoning tool

[worthy rose]

[ripe axle]

U can change the dub of the game

I have my game as

Voice: Japanese
Text: English

[worthy rose]

Cassidy is so basic

[rare trail]

i love cass ult line

one of the best in the game

which one?

[worthy rose]

I was talking about their native languages

[ripe axle]

https://youtu.be/8quAQqCV6m4?t=22

Oh sry

[worthy rose]

Why everyone simp Sigma?

[rare trail]

i really like a lot of the voice lines

[ripe axle]

Yeah I like Lucio

[worthy rose]

He just a floaty old man

[rare trail]

i dont love friendly cass ult line

[worthy rose]

With mental issues

[rare trail]

we stan sigma

i can fix him

[ripe axle]

that saw the universe

My guy probably even witnessed the Iris

[worthy rose]

BYAKKU NO KENWO KURAE

[ivory garnet]

he saw a blackhole, never saw a universe pretty sure

[ripe axle]

oh sry mb

Yeah blackhole

[worthy rose]

What's Moira's line?

[rare trail]

D:sojourn

[ripe axle]

Submit to my will

[ivory garnet]

his mental is him hearing the sounds of the universe

is what he believes atleast

[rare trail]

you cant witness a state of being

i hate orisas bc her old one was so much better

balls is kinda weak too

i like winstons

reinhardts is so giid

[maiden granite]

winton

[rare trail]

good

[ripe axle]

winton

[rare trail]

tracers arent great\

[maiden granite]

ree

[ripe axle]

bombs ticking :D

[rare trail]

reapers is okay

kiriko is boring

brig is good

zenyatta is s tier

[worthy rose]

Very effortless but ok

I'd put all of A in S

Also I'm counting the dragon's roar as part of Genji's ult line

[ivory garnet]

Kiriko is a boring character in general

[ripe axle]

imo the Japanese version is much better

[worthy rose]

Kirikos one better than Reaper anyday

Even the friendly version

[rare trail]

i dont think kirikos voice is good in general

[worthy rose]

Nah it's a lot

[ripe axle]

https://youtu.be/lTA5Jpcf33U?t=47
Jp kiriko

[worthy rose]

The only good lines on kiriko are the ult lines

[ripe axle]

Ho Ho Hey

[ivory garnet]

this strayed from lore

[peak escarp]

not this again

[worthy rose]

Genji and Hanzos' alternate ult lines tho

[ripe axle]

lmao

[ivory garnet]

I’ll just put it like this

[worthy rose]

Soldier

[ivory garnet]

Speculation: Sigma
Everything we have seen: Symm or Winston

[worthy rose]

Winton Overwatch

No

Die

The white tiger becomes me!!

Yes

[peak escarp]

top 5 strongest: Sigma, Symmetra, Winston, Orisa, Reaper

[worthy rose]

Akumae, waga teki wa kurau!!!

[maiden granite]

in order?

[peak escarp]

yes

[ivory garnet]

yeah

symmetra’s hardlight is OP

[worthy rose]

Genji strongest in lore

[ivory garnet]

hardlight in general is

[worthy rose]

No cap

[peak escarp]

Genji got bodied by Doomfist

[worthy rose]

That's why they keep needing him

Cos he too op

[peak escarp]

he's not even in contention

[ivory garnet]

genji like

12 strongest maybe

if even that

[worthy rose]

Lucky shot

[ivory garnet]

blitzed him

[peak escarp]

that was Tracer

[worthy rose]

No that was Tracer

[peak escarp]

Doomfist punched Genji into a car

[worthy rose]

No

Into the floor

[ivory garnet]

into a car

[worthy rose]

Then he hit a car

Important detail

Also Genji didn't have his hoodie on in that fight

[peak escarp]

same difference

[worthy rose]

With the hoodie it would've been a different story

[rare trail]

?

[ivory garnet]

genji didnt get any stronger since then

[peak escarp]

every hero is as strong or as weak as the plot needs them to be

[worthy rose]

Therefore Genji strongest

Therefore need nerf

[ivory garnet]

its why winston has the most insane plotarmor in history

[worthy rose]

Also

winton overwach

[maiden granite]

💀

skull emoji

[peak escarp]

none of that here

go back to tiktok

[ivory garnet]

only fight we’ve seen Reaper win are against the robot in Infiltration, random security guards in Masquerade, and someone else who i forgot the name of

[peak escarp]

he fought Winston twice

once in Recall, once in the cinematic trailer

and lost both times

[ivory garnet]

lost both

[worthy rose]

Due to plot

[maiden granite]

has winston ever lost

[peak escarp]

no

[ivory garnet]

not that i have seen

winston is the main character, shared with tracer

[worthy rose]

Had to step on the glasses

Gave Winston enough time to get 2% more ult charge

[peak escarp]

Winston has plot armor

[rare trail]

wintons plot armor is thick

[worthy rose]

Imagine Genji with Valkyrie wings

[ivory garnet]

would be no use of him

[rare trail]

genji is pretty powerful

[ivory garnet]

why need valk wings when you can constantly dash and climb around

[rare trail]

i mean doom sigma winston sym reaper beat him but hes powerful

[worthy rose]

He could fly, dash in, kill dash off and fly away

[ivory garnet]

he’s fast enough to just dash in and dash out

he was already that fast technically in retribution

collabaration

[worthy rose]

And then where does he go

[ivory garnet]

im pretty sure

[ivory garnet]

into the shadows

[peak escarp]

that's from Heroes of the Storm, it's not canon

[rare trail]

dash reset isnt canon

[worthy rose]

With reaper waiting

[rare trail]

not canon just an ad

[ivory garnet]

genji constantly has dash

[worthy rose]

Yes, it's actually unlimited

[rare trail]

so fly is useless to him

[ivory garnet]

theres seemingly no recharge in overwatch besides Tracer’s blink and such

[rare trail]

nah tracer isnt that good

[worthy rose]

Can't dash on water

[rare trail]

blinks are limited

[ivory garnet]

tracer knocked widow’s gun out of her hands and made her retreat

[rare trail]

when would he be fighting on water

[worthy rose]

Wings could've saved him from Doomfist

[ivory garnet]

no they couldnt have

[rare trail]

no

[worthy rose]

But no

Yes

[rare trail]

wings wouldnt have saved him from doom

he wouldve cut through car and gotten killed anyways

[worthy rose]

He only got caught cos he couldn't move midair

[ivory garnet]

doom blitzed him, faster than genji’s reaction time when cutting through the car

[worthy rose]

He could've just moved

[ivory garnet]

widow just outsmarted her

she made tracer choose her life or mondatta’s

[rare trail]

he couldve moved with dash anyway he decided to cut through car

[rare trail]

i dont think tracer knew she was choosing

[worthy rose]

Can he dash midair?

[ivory garnet]

she didnt, but widow did

simply outsmarted tracer

[worthy rose]

Genji lightsaber when when

[rare trail]

genji basically has a lightsaber

[ivory garnet]

how come

needed to create conflict

and show the rivalry between the 2 ig

[worthy rose]

Cos widow mains always need to find bullshit angles

Also

Why aren't we talking about Tracer's potential canonical strength

[ivory garnet]

its not high

[worthy rose]

What is the extent of her time manipulating powers?

[ivory garnet]

the power she has right now

tracer cant get any stronger

[worthy rose]

So how long is her recall cooldown canonically

[ivory garnet]

no clue

[peak pebble]

Who would win in a fight complete control tracer or sane sigma

[worthy rose]

Exactly

[ivory garnet]

sigma would

[worthy rose]

Sugma

[ivory garnet]

tracer is already at full control

[peak pebble]

Thought so

[worthy rose]

Can't Sigma just turn earth into a massive black hole

Instant win

[ivory garnet]

he has no theoretical abilities that have been shown

he cant create black holes

he manipulates gravity

[worthy rose]

Great

[peak pebble]

?!?!?!?!?!?

[ivory garnet]

zarya is the closest to a blackhole in lore abilities

[worthy rose]

Just increase Earth's gravity infinitely

Same effect as a black hole

[ivory garnet]

black holes consume

gravity doeent

doesnt

[peak pebble]

Cant he compress people to the earth like a pancake

[worthy rose]

And how do black holes consume things?

[ivory garnet]

by pulling in

mei

or zen

[peak pebble]

By pulling them in and turning them into there own mass

[ivory garnet]

most likely mei

[rare trail]

no

mei

lucio

[ivory garnet]

creating their own mass

[peak pebble]

Def no he has all ready reached transcendence

[worthy rose]

With what force?

[rare trail]

rein is pretty powerful getting killed by him aint bad

[ivory garnet]

he only knows basic offense and defense

his ult isnt real

[worthy rose]

Black holes are a result of gravity causing so much mass to combine that it becomes a singularity

[ivory garnet]

Zen and Sigma both have no shown lore avilities

abilities

[peak pebble]

So his suit amps it?

[modern locust]

That's true

[worthy rose]

Zen can float

[ivory garnet]

Sigma has his rocks, though pretty sure, shown in his origin story

[peak pebble]

True

[ivory garnet]

not a combative ability

that has something to do with his healing aswell

[peak pebble]

Yes

[ivory garnet]

something mercy doesnt understand

[peak pebble]

Oop-

No

[ivory garnet]

he has no abilities shown in lore

[peak pebble]

Thats just his ult

[ivory garnet]

he tried harnessing a black hole

which ruptured his mind

[peak pebble]

And then he was prisoned

[ivory garnet]

turning him insane

[peak pebble]

And talon saved him

[ivory garnet]

due to his power and insanity

[peak pebble]

“Saved”

[ivory garnet]

no

no one has been brainwashed

[peak pebble]

Widow

[ivory garnet]

conditioned

not brainwashed

[solemn cliff]

gravity
thats how black holes work

[ivory garnet]

she still has memories and feelings

quite funny how Sombra and Cassidy have both met but dont know that

[peak pebble]

Yeah

[ivory garnet]

yes, due to a surgery or experiment with moira

[peak pebble]

Moira

Like reaper a failed experiment

[ivory garnet]

failed but successful

upgrade also a downgrade

[peak pebble]

50/50

So talon is like the big bad guys

And ow is the “heros”

[ivory garnet]

Talon is one of the terrorist organizations yes

[peak pebble]

So they want to free anubis?

[ivory garnet]

Overwatch are “vigilanties” right now

only 2

[peak pebble]

Reaper and moira

[ivory garnet]

Sombra

Sigma

[peak pebble]

Sombra

[ivory garnet]

Sanjay

Maximillien

Mauga

Baptiste (former)

[peak pebble]

I forgot he was one

Thats why he has that voice line with sigma

[ivory garnet]

yeah, he seeked out Cassidy

Talon is constantly looking for him though

and pharah

thats the latest comic run

post “Zero Hour”

[worthy rose]

Ok

So canonically

[peak pebble]

Meanwhile Winston tracer mei rein Bridgette Genji and mercy were fight ing omnics in paris

[ivory garnet]

made by Taiga I believe

[worthy rose]

What are the strongest offense and defence abilities

[ivory garnet]

“New Blood” is post Zero Hour I believe

[peak pebble]

Ram was also former shambali

[ivory garnet]

Omnic Terrorist Group

the cause of the Paris attack

[peak pebble]

Genji was former shimada

[ivory garnet]

they are only shown in 1 category

Genji is xurrent overwtahc

[peak pebble]

They want to bring peace and equality between omnics and people

[ivory garnet]

overwatch

Relieved

when overwatch was deemed illegal

and split up

[peak escarp]

Torb left when Overwatch was disbanded by the UN

[peak pebble]

What is your guy’s fav hero interaction

[peak escarp]

I made this

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

it was sent by Taiga

so I had thought it was them

Also, Overwatch is still deemed illegal right Doctor?

[peak escarp]

yes

yep

[peak pebble]

My fav was sigmas and 76

lol

[ivory garnet]

my favorite was when Reaper nearly killed Soldier 76 then was saved by Ana

[peak pebble]

…

…—-….-…-…..—-

[ivory garnet]

hope we get a full face reveal of Reaper

I want to see what Ana full saw

[peak pebble]

Or moira

Kiriko is down bad for genji

[ivory garnet]

they have a sister/brother bond

[peak pebble]

lol

[ivory garnet]

Genji is canonically with Mercy

basically

[peak pebble]

Im so borrreeeeeddddd

[worthy rose]

Pharmercy shippers incoming

[ivory garnet]

age gap is crazy

[worthy rose]

5 years

[ivory garnet]

• Pharah has only been seen as straight

[peak pebble]

Pharah and mercy?

[ivory garnet]

same with Mercy

[worthy rose]

When do we see Pharah as straight?

[peak pebble]

Ewww

[ivory garnet]

reflections comic

[peak pebble]

Lucio- is right?

[worthy rose]

Genyatta

Cursed ship

[ivory garnet]

Tracer and Soldier are the only confirmed lgbtq i believe

[worthy rose]

Bruh

Naaaaaah

[peak pebble]

Not that bad compared to doomtiste

[worthy rose]

Gency for life

[worthy rose]

Hamston

[peak pebble]

Still not as bad

[worthy rose]

bruh

Anahardt

Hmm

Brigjorn

I dare you to say it isn't worse

[past copper]

That’s Sam. Pharah’s dad

[rare trail]

i wanna make an all canon skins list

[ivory garnet]

im almost done with mine

[rare trail]

theres a few halloween ones that are canon

[worthy rose]

Baihu

[ivory garnet]

Baihu has never been shown

[worthy rose]

Genji went China

Oni seems to be based off the nomad skins

[rare trail]

nah

[ivory garnet]

lucio’s only canon skin are his base skins pretty sure

genji’s nomad skins are a possibility, never been shown though

how?

[worthy rose]

Sparrow and Young Genji should be canon

[rare trail]

who has baihu skin?

[ivory garnet]

voicelines arent entirely canon

[ivory garnet]

genji

[ivory garnet]

only young genji i believe

[rare trail]

reaper pumpkin skin is canon

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[rare trail]

daredevil 76 is canon too

[ivory garnet]

Hanzo’s casual skin is canon

why would it be

[peak pebble]

I broke my controller because in comp someone kept t bagging me

😭

[ivory garnet]

no

thats her talon skin

[rare trail]

mercy witch is canon

[ivory garnet]

just modified more

mhm

mhm

[rare trail]

yeah

some talon skins arent canon though

[ivory garnet]

all talon skins are canon

just modified from what we have seen

[rare trail]

not necesarrily

[ivory garnet]

mhm

[rare trail]

sigma is never shown

[ivory garnet]

balderich isnt Reinhardt’s armor

so its in the extras

[rare trail]

but it does exist

bastions is 100% canon

[ivory garnet]

Dusk Reaper is canon

mhm

and sandstorm or duststorm cass

whatever its called

[rare trail]

dr ziegler

[ivory garnet]

masquerade reaper canon

[rare trail]

sombra talon might be

no

i dont think theyre shown

[ivory garnet]

its the same deal with widow

they have their talon skins

but they are modified

we have seen sombra in her talon in lore

Sombra Jester skin also canon

Odette Widow is canon, but slightly modified

overwatch skins are also canon

[rare trail]

yeah

[ivory garnet]

mhm

Sigma has the most canon skins

[rare trail]

despite only having origin video and being nowhere else

made after the abilities

[ivory garnet]

no

[rare trail]

nope

[ivory garnet]

he has never been seen with them

they MIGHT be canon to other models of his kind

so it’d be in the extra

[worthy rose]

Blackwatch Bastion

[ivory garnet]

yep

thats in masquerade

thats a possibility

its in the maybe area

[wanton galleon]

i forgor is moira affiliated with talon organization

i think she was with blackwatch but i donr rememr if she is affiliated with talon

i need a recap soon

[shadow marsh]

She was

Reyes(Reaper) recruited her

[peak escarp]

she was and currently still is

[wanton galleon]

thank yuo

[ivory garnet]

Doctor, do we know if “New Blood” takes place after “Zero Hour”

[limpid agate]

It takes place during

You can see them talking about the events of Zero Hour in the comics

!!newblood

[twilit nacelle]

Cassidy - New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB

[limpid agate]

At the start ofchapter 5

[ivory garnet]

ty lol

was abt to read all if them again

so its the day or day after

[wild light]

why r cassidy and echo not in deadlock

TELL MEEEEEE

[ivory garnet]

echo was bever in deadlock

never

cassidy is former deadlock

[wild light]

I watched the vid

OK WHY DID HE QUIT WTF HE JUST WENT IN AND STARTED SHOOTING

[ivory garnet]

he got arrested

then Reyes (reaper) gave him a choice of joining blackwatch under him, or spend his life in jail

[shadow marsh]

If the 2nd were to happen the Deadlock would have bailed him out or broken him out of prison anyways

Unless this Jail is completely reinforced

[rare trail]

echos beliefs dont align with deadlocks

cassidy is with overwatch now and doesnt want to leave

[shadow parcel]

ramattras travaler skin too

[rare trail]

what?

[rare trail]

what are you talking about?

[keen summit]

Why would they be

[shadow parcel]

text that a while ago when yous where talking about skins

bad internet

[quick skiff]

is it true kirikos real name is credence

[keen summit]

No

Alot of heroes have their hero name beibg their name

Ana, genji, kiriko, hanzo, torbjorn, reinhardt, brigitte, zen, rama, orisa etc

[rare trail]

most have it as either their name or like callsign

like tracer

zenyatta moira lucio kiriko brigitte ana baptiste torbjorn sombra sojourn pharah mei hanzo genji echo cassidy bstion ashe zarya winston sigma reinhardt ramattra orisa

all are their real names

[keen summit]

Sigma

[rare trail]

sigma

[keen summit]

Thats not his name

[rare trail]

yeah

mb

not sigma

[keen summit]

His name is Siebren de kuiper

You have him in there

[rare trail]

symmettra might be her real name

[keen summit]

Pharah also isnt

Its close but her name is fareeha

Sombra also isnt

Sym is called satya

[rare trail]

doom dva roadhog junkrat reaper 76 widow tracer pharah sombra symmettra are like callsigns

like nicknames

[keen summit]

Its kinda half half

But often you can tell when its a callsign

Like nobody would be called widowmaker

[peak escarp]

Sombra, Sojourn, Pharah and Zarya aren't real names either

Fareeha Amari

Pharah is her callsign

and Zarya is only part of her name - her full name is Aleksandra Zaryanova

[keen summit]

Eh i'd add shortened versions as name

[limpid agate]

That's not a shortened version

That's her dad's name

[molten shore]

What's sombras real name

[limpid agate]

Olivia Colomar

And Sojourn is Vivian Chase

[cobalt warren]

Does Anyone Else Think Zenyatta is Evil?

[limpid agate]

He isn't.

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[cobalt warren]

Ok then it wasn’t a Shit Post but Alright

[ivory garnet]

theories or speculations with no backup can be seen as shitposting

theres no indication he is or ever will be evil

Blizzard is very forward with who their villains are

[cobalt warren]

I was Going to Back it Up, but I’d Rather Not Get Muted or Something

Carry On

[light adder]

whos the most powerful hero lore accurately

[limpid agate]

Winston, Orisa, Sigma, or Symmetra

One of those 4

We cant say who

[ivory garnet]

Sigma due to speculation, Winston or Symmetra based off of what we have seen

[cobalt warren]

Sigma Probably has the Most Raw Power

But None of the Control

Gravity and Black Holes are a Bit Wonky in the Ow Universe tho

So Idk

[ivory garnet]

no one can use blackholes

closest thing to one is Zarya’s gravity flux

[cobalt warren]

Fair Enough

[ivory garnet]

a blackhole was just the cause of Sigma’s power

[midnight crag]

they just made tracer GF cannon!!

in the voice line to lucio she mentions her vinyls!!!

[rare trail]

its been canon

[midnight crag]

no

[rare trail]

voice lines arent necessarily canon

[midnight crag]

yes they are

they are in game

[rare trail]

no they arent

[midnight crag]

goose boy relax

[rare trail]

jack o lantern hamster skin is in game and thats not canon

[rare trail]

tracer gf has been shown in comics for a while its been known

[limpid agate]

She's been canon since she was introduced back in 2016.

[midnight crag]

do you even read the comics brother

[limpid agate]

Yes

And she was canon in the comic

[rare trail]

yes

[limpid agate]

And she's still canon now.

Nothing changed.

She is just as canon today as she was 6 years ago.

[rare trail]

reflections comic

[midnight crag]

its 2023

just ya know

[limpid agate]

It was December 2016

Its January 2023

That's 6 years ago.

[midnight crag]

no u silly

[rare trail]

tracer gf has been canon for years

[limpid agate]

The comic came out 72 months ago

72 months is 6 years.

You dont say "Season 2 was a year ago" because it wasn't a year ago.

It started last year

But it was a month ago

[ivory garnet]

tracer’s girlfriend has been in many novels and comics

[midnight crag]

ive read every novel

[limpid agate]

She wasnt in any novels

But she was in multiple comics

[midnight crag]

new year new me

[limpid agate]

Tracer isnt in any of the novels though.

[midnight crag]

yes she is?

[limpid agate]

Which one is she in

[ivory garnet]

no, i was weong

[midnight crag]

the doomfist novel

[ivory garnet]

wrong

[limpid agate]

There is no Doomfist novel.

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[ivory garnet]

doomfist doesnt have a novel

[rare trail]

so then why did you think tracer gf was just canonized

[rare trail]

there is no doomfist novel maybe you're thinking of hero of numbani doom is in that

[ivory garnet]

is the new Sojourn book a novel Taiga?

[limpid agate]

And Tracer isnt in that either.

Yes

We have 3 novels

Hero of Numbani
Deadlock Rebels
Sojourn

[midnight crag]

listen

tracers gf is cannon

[ivory garnet]

been known

[midnight crag]

i seen it

[limpid agate]

She's been canon for 6 years.

[rare trail]

yes

shes been canon for years

[midnight crag]

go yahoo search it or something

[limpid agate]

Again

[rare trail]

yahoo search what?

[ivory garnet]

Emily is quite frequent in Tracer lore

[limpid agate]

She's been canon for 6 years.

[midnight crag]

tracer gf

[rare trail]

it will just tell you shes been canon for six years

[midnight crag]

theres a fine line between tracer and emily

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[ivory garnet]

there is no line, they’re a couple

[limpid agate]

If you're just here to troll, knock it off

[rare trail]

i mean they are different people so yeah but emily is connected to tracer

[midnight crag]

trust my knowledge

ive been playin since beta

[rare trail]

you're wrong

[ivory garnet]

you would know that Emily has been canon since 6 years ago then

[rare trail]

reflections comic came out december 20th 2016

emily was in that comic

[midnight crag]

remember the comic where tracer was in her apartment with a girol

turns out the girl was emily

[rare trail]

reflections

yeah

[rare trail]

we knew that

[midnight crag]

so you see

tracer gf is cannon.

[rare trail]

correct it has been canon for six years

[ivory garnet]

goose boy just leave it, its obvious shitposting

[midnight crag]

whats shitposting

[limpid agate]

Just report them to modmail

[midnight crag]

why would you report me?

this is lore discussion..

[maiden granite]

i see some stupid stuff going on here

tracer having a gf is canon lol

i need to read more of emily

whats she like

[unique plume]

Who do you guys think is the strongest(lore)?

[maiden granite]

monke

[rare trail]

sigma

winston

[unique plume]

I think sigma got nerfed by the thing that he has diff personalities or something

[rare trail]

mind is fractured

still controlling gravity is crazy

[unique plume]

For real,just imagine if his mind was n t fractured

[rare trail]

we dont know how messed up his mind is now though

hes had a while to control it

[unique plume]

They really need to make a movie

About the lore and studd

Stuff

[limpid agate]

Just answered this earlier.

Its one of

Winston/Orisa/Sigma/Symmetra

We cant say who

But its one of those 4

Also, Sigma doesnt have different personalities

[unique plume]

Symmetra??? Rlly?

[rare trail]

hardlight is op

shes basically green lantern

[maiden granite]

is it likely to be definitively confirmed in the future?

[limpid agate]

No.

[rare trail]

what are you talking about?

[maiden granite]

whos the strongest

[limpid agate]

Future lore can clarify it

But itll never be explicitly confirmed

[rare trail]

yeah we probably wont get them

[ivory garnet]

Blizzard wont care enough about power scaling

it’ll most likely be up to the fanbase to say who is stronger than who

Sigma is the strongest, even though he has 0 feats

Winston, Symmetra, or Orisa are the strongest

as they have the best feats

[ivory garnet]

Symmetra is arguably 2nd strongest or 3rd strongest

due to her hardlight being op, as any hardlight is

[light adder]

Is ramattra any strong in the actual lore

[peak escarp]

that line was about Iggy, not Emily

[midnight crag]

whos emily then

[maiden granite]

tracers gf

🤦‍♂️

[peak escarp]

Emily is Tracer's girlfriend

[midnight crag]

intresting

[peak escarp]

Iggy is an omnic Tracer made friends with in the comic London Calling

[midnight crag]

im connecting the dots here

[peak escarp]

who shares her interest in vintage vinyl

[maiden granite]

tracer likes vinyl?

noted

[midnight crag]

she wants you bro

[maiden granite]

wrojng

i wish

[midnight crag]

isnt she lesbian ?

or bi

[maiden granite]

lesbian

[midnight crag]

damn

[maiden granite]

afaik she isnt bi

[midnight crag]

is there a trans hero in ow yet?

ik apex legends has 1

[peak escarp]

not yet

[maiden granite]

they might add one

[peak escarp]

maybe

[limpid agate]

She isnt bi.

She is lesbian.

They confirmed as much

[ivory garnet]

he has no lore feats

i’d speculate around or slightly weaker than doom though

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen Ramattra fight in the lore yet

[ivory garnet]

what was his model built for? Was it for war? does it say what it was used for in his story?

[limpid agate]

Yes

It says in his origin short

[ivory garnet]

ur probably thinking right

i just forgot

[limpid agate]

!!loreOrigin

[twilit nacelle]

Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Sojourn: https://bit.ly/3KH4lmY
Junkerqueen: https://bit.ly/3tKMPrA
Kiriko: https://bit.ly/3qTLZXv
Ramattra: https://bit.ly/3U5M47C

For Cinematic Shorts, use !!loreShorts
For other videos, use !!loreVideos

[limpid agate]

There

Ramattra origin

Its the first scene

[unique plume]

He has an interesting backstory tho

[ivory garnet]

yeah

its quite literally the first thing he says

[peak escarp]

he was made by Anubis to lead omnics into war

[unique plume]

Who is "Anubis"

?

Never heard of him

[peak escarp]

Sojourn sees them being built in the novel when she, Morrison, Torbjorn and Liao infiltrate an omnium in Detroit

Anubis is the god program that started the omnic crisis

[ivory garnet]

is Ramattra the last of his model?

[unique plume]

I really want to listen to a video with detailed parts of the lore

Like missions or something

[ivory garnet]

The PvE is big on Null Sector Im pretty sure

[peak escarp]

most other Ravagers have been killed

[unique plume]

I wonder what the next hero will be...

[ivory garnet]

a support

[peak escarp]

he's not the last, but his model are rare

[unique plume]

Support?

It should ve been dps

[ivory garnet]

was it said in the Sojourn novel?

[peak escarp]

we have enough dps

[ivory garnet]

there wont be another dps until s8

[unique plume]

Wha...?

[ivory garnet]

its to balance out the character picks, but this isnt lore related unless its based on a lore character

[peak escarp]

it was said in the Ramattra short story

[ivory garnet]

hm, mustve missed it then

Sanjay could be used as a support tho

[unique plume]

Who do you guys think has the saddest backstory?

[peak escarp]

“Or dead at human hands,” I said.```

[peak escarp]

Mei

[ivory garnet]

I wouldnt say Sigma’s is sad, yeah it’s unfortunate, but not sad

[unique plume]

Rammatra should be on the list too

Like he has been watching his comrades die...

[ivory garnet]

that could be said for anyone

[peak escarp]

I feel like everyone except Brigitte has a tragic backstory

[ivory garnet]

true

what about D.VA?

feel she is the same as Brig

[unique plume]

Lucio? +

[peak escarp]

Lucio led a rebellion against Vishkar who were trying to gentrify his neighbourhood

maybe not tragic, but certainly not happy

[ivory garnet]

same as Sigma i’d say

unfortunate

well I guess Sigma is more

how did he lose his hand

never knew how

[unique plume]

Holy shit bro,there is so much thing i don t know about the lore,when can I get Information

[ivory garnet]

through origin stories

cinematics

comics

novels

all are in pins

[sharp trench]

reaper's?

[ivory garnet]

https://youtu.be/-aPY1OaEPjs

either watch this video or the timeline one in the pins

[sharp trench]

i dont think reaper has a very tragic one

[ivory garnet]

his is unfortunate

it is tragic how his life went into pieces though

[sharp trench]

bc of the OW HQ exploding?

[peak escarp]

he lost his hand during Operation: White Dome

[ivory garnet]

he felt left behind

it isnt as bad as others

but it is tragic somewhat

tragic and sad have 2 different meanings ig

also, have we had news about the next comic yet

either a tank or support

no clue who the support is

[unique plume]

Like generally I know all of them from cinematics,but I don t knoe about like about the more detailed things

[ivory garnet]

watch the videos

or read the comics and novels

[peak escarp]

if you want to know all the lore, read the bios on the official website, then go through all the links here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit?usp=sharing

[rare trail]

?

is that the quran?

[maiden granite]

this isnt overwatch lore

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[maiden granite]

no

[nova sphinx]

It’s been removed

Please keep this channel strictly related to OW lore

[maiden granite]

thank you mod

[blazing carbon]

Basement dweller 💀

[rare trail]

why do people think sombra is trans?

is it like hinted to anywhere?

[maiden granite]

people said the same about tracer

[rare trail]

i wanna make a tierlist based on how much trauma each character has gone through

[maiden granite]

im sure most have gone through a fair bit

[worthy rose]

Hmm

[rare trail]

what should the tiers be\

rn its
life altering
heavy
mid
light
no

[worthy rose]

What would be more traumatizing:

a. Dying
b. Getting lost in time
c. Living with the fact that your mentor died cos of you

[rare trail]

has zen gone through anything?

ig he is an omnic so

[worthy rose]

Not that we know of

But you can tell Ramattra's been through some shit

[rare trail]

ill put him in light just bc yk hes a part of a marginalized group

[ivory garnet]

you wouldnt feel traumatized because you died

[rare trail]

you would just be dead

[worthy rose]

Reaper and Genji:

[ivory garnet]

never died

[rare trail]

neither are dead

[ivory garnet]

they were just injured basly

[worthy rose]

Counts as dying

[ivory garnet]

badly

[worthy rose]

Genji isn't even human anymore

[rare trail]

moira seems to have no trauma

[worthy rose]

[rare trail]

yes he is

[worthy rose]

Nu

[ivory garnet]

cyborg

[worthy rose]

He Green Cyborg Ninja

[rare trail]

hes got robot legs but hes still human

[worthy rose]

nu

[rare trail]

and a robot arm

[ivory garnet]

he’s classified as a cyborg

[worthy rose]

And an artificial voicebox

[rare trail]

i mean like his species didnt change

[worthy rose]

And what seems to be an artificial spine

[rare trail]

hes just had a lot of surgeries

like sojourn is human

[worthy rose]

No

[rare trail]

she literally is

[worthy rose]

Sojourn is omnic

[rare trail]

no shes not

[peak escarp]

cyborgs are still human

[rare trail]

read the novel my guy(responding to snek)

[worthy rose]

Orisa is human tho

[rare trail]

in the novel she says she isnt

[ivory garnet]

cyborgs are still human yes

[rare trail]

no

[peak escarp]

having cybernetic arms and legs doesn't suddenly make you an omnic

[shadow marsh]

Y'all know he's messing with you?

[worthy rose]

Cos she's a suit for Efi

[ivory garnet]

photo from taken from Doctor

[rare trail]

snek is hard trolling

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @worthy rose

[twilit nacelle]

@native harbor Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

Why does the blackwatch skin show Genji with red eyes

[rare trail]

bc robot eyes

[worthy rose]

Whereas the short makes it seem like they're organic

[ivory garnet]

his eyes most likely were injured and not able to see anymore

[rare trail]

have lucio and zarya been through much?

like trauma

[ivory garnet]

lucio has to deal with Vishkar

i dont know why

or remember why

[rare trail]

ill put him in light

[ivory garnet]

Zarya is something to do with omnic crisis i believe

[rare trail]

ill put her in mid if she fought

[worthy rose]

Zarya has a scar

Much trauma

[maiden granite]

where would you put mei

[rare trail]

https://tiermaker.com/create/overwatch-2-heroes-up-to-ramattra---season-2-1593464

[ivory garnet]

she didnt fight in the omnic crisis, only 2nd one i believe

[rare trail]

tier list

[rare trail]

heavy

[ivory garnet]

most tragic

[rare trail]

all her friends are dead

[worthy rose]

Heavy

[rare trail]

i mean theres 5 above mei but shes in heavy

[worthy rose]

Ram would be in life altering

[rare trail]

he is

[ivory garnet]

you should have to screenshot and snip your tierlist btw, it wont show as your own

[rare trail]

oh ok

[worthy rose]

Genji too

[rare trail]

i dont have embed

[ivory garnet]

dm me it

[ivory garnet]

every other omnic would be life altering as well then

[worthy rose]

Doom's "trauma" did change him, but it wasn't really cos of the trauma

[rare trail]

ram is especially bad

like in origin we see him holding a dying omnic

[ivory garnet]

junkers should be higher imo

besides ball

[worthy rose]

Doubt every other omnic has been through as much war as him

[ivory garnet]

he created the war himself

[rare trail]

does ram remember his time in anubis?

[worthy rose]

How is Ashe in no trauma

[rare trail]

zen vaugely remembers his time before sentience

[limpid agate]

Yes

[rare trail]

she hasnt gone through much

bastion has secondhand trauma

[worthy rose]

Anyone else think Ram kinda hot for an omnic

[ivory garnet]

what makes D.VA have higher trauma than reinhardt

[rare trail]

they arent ordered within tiers

[ivory garnet]

ah okay

[rare trail]

i can order them within tiers though

[worthy rose]

Can omnics feel love?

[limpid agate]

D.Va still too high

[ivory garnet]

omnics have emotion yes

sentient atleast

[limpid agate]

Swap D.Va and Winston

[rare trail]

what has winston gone through

[limpid agate]

The moon

[rare trail]

he got angry a couple times

the moon aint trauma

he liked his time there

[shadow marsh]

I guess hamsters are easy to cope

[limpid agate]

His father figure was murdered by the other apes and he had to flee the moon

[worthy rose]

Ye

[ivory garnet]

D.VA’s life has always been together from what we have seen

[rare trail]

shes got ptsd i thought

[limpid agate]

She doesnt

[worthy rose]

From what

[rare trail]

thats the impression i got from shooting star

[worthy rose]

Eh

[limpid agate]

Everyone winston cared about was murdered by everyone else he knew on the Moon

[rare trail]

yeah

[ivory garnet]

her only time facing omnics in war is the Gwyshin attacks

[shadow marsh]

Does abandonment count as trauma? Since it was shown that Winston unintentionally left him behind in the lunar colony

[limpid agate]

And he had to flee to another planet

D.Va has no ptsd

Swap those two

[ivory garnet]

i argue he has light trauma due to abandonment

[rare trail]

dva def has trauma

[limpid agate]

light

[ivory garnet]

maybe being bullied by a higher grade but thats it

[rare trail]

yeah

[maiden granite]

wow so traumatic

[shadow marsh]

The in-game interactions aren't 50% canon but we hear Hammond definitely has a grudge to Winston

[ivory garnet]

junkers should be bottom mid tier

their lives changed completely

[worthy rose]

She lived in a wasteland for 13 years

Seems like she had to raise her siblings

Had a few family members die

Don't remember which ones

[limpid agate]

She had to bury her parents

And probably a sibling or two

[ivory garnet]

mei should be in the same tier as genji and them imo

[worthy rose]

Nah

[ivory garnet]

she woke up to her close friends dead

[worthy rose]

That's about it

[rare trail]

doom is pretty high

[limpid agate]

Doomfist is too high on your list

[rare trail]

maybe i should lower him

[shadow marsh]

Nah Mei should be high

[worthy rose]

Doom's issues aren't just trauma

[rare trail]

dooms going in mid imo

[limpid agate]

Even mid is too high

[rare trail]

yeah

[shadow marsh]

In her short she literally mourned for a very long time, it's a subtle detail everyone didn't see.

[limpid agate]

Doomfist's only trauma is that he is an amputee

[rare trail]

top of light i think

[limpid agate]

And you put Cassidy in no trauma for that

Doomfist would then also be no trauma

You put Sym in no trauma, and she is an amputee that grew up in poverty