i wouldnt say Or14s
#lore-discussion
rare trail
is reinhardt that strong? he seems pretty weak
sharp trench
if he can jump up 20 feet into the air and land while wielding a rocket armor and an armor probably wearing a ton
he's probably pretty physically strong
ivory garnet
he jumps 20 ft in the air due to his boosters on his armor and hammer
but we know he can sustain fall damage from great heights
sharp trench
not his armor booster
rare trail
but like sigma doom orisa symmetra winston genji reaper dva echo tracer zarya could probably all beat him
sharp trench
only his hammer booster that's got to be a really fucking powerful booster
rare trail
ig hes pretty strong
ivory garnet
but like sigma doom orisa symmetra winston genji reaper dva echo tracer zarya co...
most likely
rare trail
like he beats a lot of people
ivory garnet
he’s top 15
he is quite slow to swing his hammer when he isnt using his booster for his ult
rare trail
like i imagine him beating mei brig cass lucio junkrat bap torb jq ashe widow sojourn bastion ana and maybe sombra
opaque tundra
I'm pretty sure Zen knows at least basic self defense. In one of Ramattra's sprays and his voice lines when killing him, it's implied Ram taught Zen how to fight
ivory garnet
like i imagine him beating mei brig cass lucio junkrat bap torb jq ashe widow so...
he’d have to get to Widow and Ashe first
and sombra can just hack his armor most likely
peak escarp
Lucio is a support in the game but in the lore he is a freedom fighter who led a revolution and has no canonical healing
ivory garnet
malfunction it or something
Lucio just has morale boosting lol
thats basically it
peak escarp
yep
rare trail
cass is pretty high for just being a regular human with a robot arm
ivory garnet
I'm pretty sure Zen knows at least basic self defense. In one of Ramattra's spra...
he knows basic combat yes, but that isnt gonna cut it in overwatch universe
sharp trench
Granted the hammer with the booster on is probably going to kill anyone that gets hit by it instantly
rare trail
he knows basic combat yes, but that isnt gonna cut it in overwatch universe
i think dva with no mech beats zen
ivory garnet
dva has some type of augmented pistol
it doesnt shoot regular bullets
so probably
sharp trench
Granted the hammer with the booster on is probably going to kill anyone that get...
besides the sturdier bots like OR14/Orisa
rare trail
even without the special pistol i think her military training beats his self defense
like hand to hand dva wins i think
ivory garnet
Reinhardt can probably crush Or14s
sharp trench
Reinhardt struggled initially with the OR14s
ivory garnet
Balderich did it easily
ivory garnet
i mean he got stabbed still, but Or14s will still get crushed
and Orisa is an augmented Or15
sharp trench
My question is what makes Orisa superior to the OR14s outside of her new AI programming and weaponry
rare trail
no way rein is beating orisa
ivory garnet
Rein has 0 chance of beating Orisa
ivory garnet
My question is what makes Orisa superior to the OR14s outside of her new AI prog...
she is an Or15 lol
her durability is the best in the world
rare trail
rein either dominates or gets dominated in fights imo
ivory garnet
she casually catches and takes Doomfist’s punches that are stated to level skyscrapers
sharp trench
yeah
but what makes that happen
ivory garnet
her programming and engineering by Efi
sharp trench
her programming yeah
the engineering what makes it physically more durable?
ivory garnet
idk, but Efi didnt use the same material that regular Or15’s use
sharp trench
probably explains it, but didn't she use cannibalized OR15 parts?
ivory garnet
has to be some strong material that can take multiple punches from doom
rare trail
cannibalized?
ivory garnet
i think they mean re-used parts
ivory garnet
from Or15
sharp trench
she's got to have a shit load of resources to her disposal if she can get all that
ivory garnet
i dont think she used Or15 materials, but i dont know much abt her building
i just know she is strong and beats alot or most of the physical attack characters
besides Winston
she would most likely catch Reinhardt’s hammer
as he swings too slow and its weaker than doomfist gauntlet i assume
sharp trench
what about the earthshatter
or hammer down or whatever
considering that's a very powerful rocket booster coupled with the momentum it'd probably be really bad for Orisa
ivory garnet
its just a velocity slam
and Orisa isnt dumb enough to just stand there if she knows she cant catch it
but Shatter is just a velocity slam ig
just a bigger and harder attack
sharp trench
Velocity matters
ivory garnet
yeah, and Orisa stopped the velocity of Doom’s punch
sharp trench
she could probably avoid it, but if she gets hit she probably wont have a good day
sharp trench
yeah, and Orisa stopped the velocity of Doom’s punch
doom's punch as far as i know is mostly horizontal
sharp trench
depends honestly
doom doesn't have rocket boosters and a rocket hammer
all doom really has is his gauntlet and hand cannons as well as his talon army
something as heavy as rein and his hammer coming down combined with the rocket boosters and gravity
probably would incapacitate anyone
but thats only a single ability and it has it's drawbacks
rare trail
i dont think rein can take down a skyscraper with earthshatter
sharp trench
can the doomfist do that though
rare trail
yes
sharp trench
other than being said by that punch kid
in the first trailer
does he actually do that in any comic or is it just the single line from the kid
opaque scroll
if orisa can stop doom she can stop rein
Orisa specifically can, she is built to be able to beat doom
an average OR-unit couldnt
ashen ivy
roadhog solos all of them because hes big
past copper
Roadhog not bulletproof
ivory garnet
does he actually do that in any comic or is it just the single line from the kid
stated
not shown
but all statements have been true
peak escarp
"they say he could level a skyscraper"
doesn't mean
Doomfist can level a skyscraper
it's just part of his legend
proven lava
One interesting thing is Ramattra looks like he is breathing if you see his idle animation
zenith zinc
Wait so what's going on in King's Row? Is it run by Omnics?
proven lava
I think yes and no, but the payload you push is a giant EMP
ivory garnet
kings row is inhabited by omnics and humans
limpid agate
Wait so what's going on in King's Row? Is it run by Omnics?
No, Omnics are second class citizens in London
The final point is an underground ghetto called Underworld, which is home to the omnics that live there
zenith zinc
No, Omnics are second class citizens in London
but why is there an omnic statue in King's Row?
limpid agate
Its a memorial for Mondatta
Who was assassinated there
In the short, Alive
Have you watched the animated shorts?
proven lava
Overwatch does encourage racism, that is true
rare trail
not really
proven lava
That chat I'm usually in during rank is
limpid agate
!!shitposting @proven lava
twilit nacelleBOT
@proven lava Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
ivory garnet
even tho ur shit posting, overwatch as a game and lorewise is quite against it
dire bolt
Is mercy supernatural ik her wings and everything are mechanical but she looks the exact same in the present as she did in the beginning of overwatch or is her skin + youth just that flawless bc she has to be over 40
ivory garnet
she did join before Genji assassination though right?
ivory garnet
ah okay
also i’d expect Mercy to take care of her body and have a flawless skin care routine
maiden granite
she certainly looks like it 🤤
peak escarp
37-year-old women don't look that old
ivory garnet
Cass and Ana’s relationship was like a mother-son bond right? or was it older sister-younger brother?
peak escarp
closer to mother son
she mentored him a little, teaching him to be a better shot than he already was
worthy rose
Do we know zenyatta orgin
ivory garnet
only that he practiced in shambali, helped/trained genji, and had a brother like relationship with Ramattra
surprised he has yet to have an origin story
peak escarp
very few launch heroes got origin trailers
most of those are for heroes added post-launch
rare sinew
i think the only launch heroes that got one are tracer and soldier
idk if that criminal hour thing for junkrat and roadhog counts
ivory garnet
it does
the one where it states their weight and height is their origin story
and prequel to the junkrat and roadhog cinematic
rare trail
Can reaper teleport in the lore?
keen summit
and prequel to the junkrat and roadhog cinematic
But tbf the cinematoc is also a prequel to the origin story
rare trail
But tbf the cinematoc is also a prequel to the origin story
The animated short with the disguises takes place after the origin story
keen summit
Can reaper teleport in the lore?
Kinda, it works by him breaking down his body like in wraith form and just getting together on the other location
keen summit
The animated short with the disguises takes place after the origin story
And before
The start is before
Where they get kicked out
keen summit
People got mad at me for saying genji x mercy is closest to confirmed shit
worthy rose
It is tho
keen summit
Yeah ik
But the person wanted pharah mercy to be true
I was like "imagine dating a person who worked with your mother"
rare trail
I don’t think pharah or mercy are even gay
uncut ibex
Very strange
It seems that through the lore, black characters are given the ability to run fast or jump high
It could represent that racism could be an overt force in the OW world on top of anti-Omnic sentiment, causing POC to become marginalized into athletics
Doom fist, Winston, Sojourn, Lucio
rare trail
pharah has shown no feelings to either genders
Some ppl think she’s gay because the hades skin makes a reference to hades wife
ivory garnet
Pharah was thought lesbian way before the Hades skin
rare trail
It could represent that racism could be an overt force in the OW world on top of...
I dont think it’s that deep my guy
uncut ibex
it is
ivory garnet
even if pharah is lesbian, Mercy isnt
uncut ibex
Or it could be implicit bias from OW2 writers
ivory garnet
Lucio has no amps or anything
rare trail
I think it’s just a coincidence
ivory garnet
he is only a DJ
rare trail
Doom fist, Winston, Sojourn, Lucio
Winston isn’t a poc
uncut ibex
you sure about that?
rare trail
He’s not human
ivory garnet
Winston is a gorilla, not a human being
uncut ibex
he’s a moc
rare trail
He can’t be a person of color if he’s not human
uncut ibex
Monkey of color
rare trail
Monkeys don’t have race I thought maybe I’m wrong though
uncut ibex
It’s well known that monkeys are also racist. They class themselves by skin color
ivory garnet
the only racism in Overwatch is omnic-racism
uncut ibex
monkeys will different skin or fur colors are rejected by their group
rare trail
Let’s get back to the lore instead of monkey racism
rare trail
Like Lucio doom and sojourn all having movement abilities isnt racist
uncut ibex
Either way it’s a really crazy nuance
ivory garnet
technically 2, cuz Lucio is only a DJ who has morale boost
uncut ibex
Baptiste aswell
ivory garnet
I’ll have to reread how he helped Orisa though
rare trail
Baptiste aswell
Baptiste can’t run fast
ivory garnet
wait, how does sojourn fit in this category?
uncut ibex
He jumps high tho
ivory garnet
of your shitposting?
rare trail
wait, how does sojourn fit in this category?
Slide ig
ivory garnet
anyone can slide, we’ve seen tracer do it and even widowmaker
rare trail
Like tons of characters have mobility
uncut ibex
but none of the characters that don’t are black
rare trail
Just because the black people in overwatch have mobility doesn’t mean overwatch is racist
ivory garnet
Genji can also jump high, your point?
uncut ibex
yup
rare trail
It’s like calling it racist that only Japanese characters can climb
ivory garnet
Soldier quite literally has combat sprint
rare trail
So many characters that aren’t black have movement
rare trail
So there’s only like 3 black characters it’s just a coincidence
uncut ibex
5/5 black characters are fast or jump high
ivory garnet
everyone in overwatch have some sort of mobility ability
uncut ibex
It’s a clear trope
rare trail
everyone in overwatch have some sort of mobility ability
Ana
uncut ibex
It’s just not clear why it’s there
ivory garnet
theres only 3
ivory garnet
Bap, Sojourn, and Doom
uncut ibex
how they might continue to add fast/ high jumping black characters
rare trail
Black characters just happen to be fast in game that’s not racism it’s just a coincidence
uncut ibex
I’d honestly be impressed if OW2 writers were conscious about it
“Just happen”
xD
OW2 writers spend hours revolving their stories about sexual orientation, gender, etc.
rare trail
Almost every character has movement of some sort 5 people getting movement isn’t a crazy thing
ivory garnet
Soldier has combat sprint, Sombra has a sprint passive when invis, Genji can jump high, etc
ivory garnet
race is one of Overwatch’s prominent themes bruh💀 they represent so many places without being racist
rare trail
But woooah race?
Omnics represent something
ivory garnet
racism is literally one of the major themes in the story
uncut ibex
The writers are trying to convey something by making all black characters fast or jump high
race obviously is a key role in the story
saying it’s a “coincidence” is just nonsense
ivory garnet
or hear me out, Doomfist is a physical brawler, Baptiste is a combat medic who got boosters from his time in talon, and Sojourn willingly became a cyborg for her enhancements
race has nothing to do with those 3
uncut ibex
It does
ivory garnet
it doesnt
uncut ibex
It’s correlative
uncut ibex
Nobody says race causes one to become athletic
But people do say race is correlated with those things
ivory garnet
in that case by your logic, Orisa should be able to jump high and run fast too
ivory garnet
Orisa is black
uncut ibex
she runs pretty fast
ivory garnet
her nationality is African
ivory garnet
spear spin isnt canon though pretty sure
uncut ibex
Notice that she uses a spear, a primitive weapon first used in Africa
it’s very overt
ivory garnet
spear was brought back in caveman times
uncut ibex
The writers are conciliatory about these design choices
Cavemen from, where?
With what skin color?
ivory garnet
or you’re just reaching and shitposting
uncut ibex
Oh yeah black
ivory garnet
not all cavemen were black…
ivory garnet
so your point? because there were tribes around the world who came up with the spear as a hunting tool
uncut ibex
Neanderthals and denizovans died out
It’s actually quite detailed writing
It’s like they’ve taken elements from history and put them in a future setting
it’s quite impressive tbh
rare trail
race has nothing to do with those 3
it kinda does race plays a part in all of those
uncut ibex
Yup
Race doesn’t need to be causative to be important
Race doesn’t cause people to be poor
But being black is correlated with being poorer
ivory garnet
how does race play a part?
ivory garnet
Doom is also quite wealthy
rare trail
like bap was part of a war torn country i think boxing is a black dominated field right?
sojourn isnt though
uncut ibex
sojourn is a weird one fs
ivory garnet
like bap was part of a war torn country i think boxing is a black dominated fiel...
there were many war torn countries
rare trail
yeah
uncut ibex
I think that the writers didn’t have enough time to discuss sojo’s history
ivory garnet
Sojourn just had a novel come out
ivory garnet
she probably doesnt care having she is Canada’s best soldier
uncut ibex
You’d be surprised
rare trail
doom genji hanzo pharah reaper sojourn sombra sym ana bap lucio kiriko are all poc
there isnt something that connects all of those
ivory garnet
nope
ivory garnet
so you’re basing it off of stereotypes?
ivory garnet
Soldier has combat sprint but he is white and can outrun a ton of people in overwatch
uncut ibex
stereotypes are just the tip of the iceberg
rare trail
movement intensive characters include
dva winston doomfist junkerqueen wreckingball echo genji pharah sojourn tracerand lucio
ivory garnet
but stereotypically white people are slower than poc
rare trail
movement intensive characters include
dva winston doomfist junkerqueen wreckingb...
there isnt a throughline here
ivory garnet
movement intensive characters include
dva winston doomfist junkerqueen wreckingb...
i’d add soldier
rare trail
i’d add soldier
idk you dont really use his movement while fighting but yeah
ivory garnet
one of his abilities and main capabilities is to sprint faster yhan the normal human
rare trail
movement intensive characters include
dva winston doomfist junkerqueen wreckingb...
also if we include baptiste who doesnt have a ton of movement this list gets a lot longer
ivory garnet
because im pretty sure if we go off of just regular sprinting, no jumping or time skipping, Soldier or Genji would win
rare trail
maybe genji bc robot legs dont get rtired
ivory garnet
its one of them thats all i know
rare trail
is lucio fast in lore?
rare trail
whats the tattoo on anas eye of?
ivory garnet
because he is only a freedom fighter who boosts morality
rare trail
whats the tattoo on anas eye of?
not on but under
ivory garnet
idk, but it correlates with Pharah’s
its egyptian symbols
i’ll have to check
its the eye of horis
rare trail
mabye its horus
ivory garnet
horus
rare trail
cool i didnt know that
ivory garnet
pharah is apart of Overwatch
ivory garnet
joined with D.VA, Bap, and Zarya
you could say that
but in her origin story it seems as she was forgotten
and she said “i figured it’d be best to stay that way”
rare trail
so she just left after getting shot by widow
ivory garnet
she was hospitalized
rare trail
then left?
ivory garnet
but the area near her or the hospital got attacked
and she got left behind
so ppl thought she died ig
but overwatch agents knew she was alive
so did Pharah
as Ana sent her letters
rare trail
ah thats nice
ivory garnet
Pharah didnt think so
rare trail
do we know who pharahs father is?
ivory garnet
i dont know
rare trail
i think its kinda weird how junkers arent played as the bad guy much
ivory garnet
i think its kinda weird how junkers arent played as the bad guy much
Junker’s mind their own business
besides Junkrat and Roadhog
rare trail
like junkers are very very racist but like we've seen stuff from roadhog and junkrat that doesnt paint them negatively
rare trail
ig talon is fine with omnics
rare trail
like they probably wanna kill all weak omnics but they also wanna kill all weak people so
ivory garnet
and maximellian is a big role in Talon
Doom just wants the best for human evolution as long as it gets rid of all the weak people of the world
he probably doesnt mind Omnics since they are ever-evolving
rare trail
maximellian is pretty weak for being in talon
rare trail
oh yeah that makes sense
ivory garnet
a very big asset in Talon
which is why Overwatch wanted to capture him in Storms Rising
rare trail
I don’t get why overwatch didn’t show up with an army in Singapore when they fought doom fist
rare trail
singapore?
Isn’t that where the Winston genji tracer v doom took place?
rare trail
are you talking about the Doomfist origin!
Ye
rare trail
Ok but didn’t they know he was gonna be there bc of max
ivory garnet
oh yeah it is singapore
rare trail
So why only bring 3 people
ivory garnet
they thought that would be enough
as that is Overwatch’s strongest 3 at that time
besides Reaper
because he was in talon
rare trail
Against doomfist? Isn’t he very feared?
ivory garnet
yeah, but mad monkey go brrr
rare trail
Like why not bring more just to be safe like doom is a major terrorist
ivory garnet
because thats after recall im pretty sure
rare trail
Mad monkey goes brrr ig
rare trail
How many people are in overwatch post recall?
Winston tracer mercy genji and mei
Who else?
ivory garnet
reinhardt
brig
echo
and maybe cassidy
but then there was new recruits
such as Zarya, Bap, and D.VA
and Pharah
ig I’ll count Brig as a new recruit as well
rare trail
Idk it feels like they could’ve brought more people
ivory garnet
well, there is plenty of nameless people
rare trail
Although they are an illegal group so it would be risking a lot
ivory garnet
but all the people I just named
came right at Zero Hour
which is 6 years in the future of recall i think
im not good with the timestamps
okay yeah
Recall was 6 years in the past
wait no
Overwatch disbanded 6 years ago
Recall initiated 2 years ago
rare trail
I thought recall happened 6 years ago
rare trail
Recall initiated 2 years ago
If recall was 2 years after something that happened 6 years ago then how did recall happen 6 years ago?
ivory garnet
overwatch disbanded 6 years ago
4 years pass, Recall is initiated
its been 2 years since recall
rare trail
What year is it in lore?
ivory garnet
2076
rare trail
So it’s 54 years in the future?
ivory garnet
im not the best with the timestamps so you’ll have to ask doctor, but yes
rare trail
That’s kinda weird bc 54 years ago was very different to life now but in ow there’s just like robots
ivory garnet
we will quite literally be the same age as Reaper, Soldier, Ana, Torb, and Sigma in 2076
rare trail
we will quite literally be the same age as Reaper, Soldier, Ana, Torb, and Sigma...
That’s weird to think about
rare trail
Reaper is 58??
rare trail
Wait that means he was born in 2018
rare trail
So future reaper is 4 rn
crystal trellis
ivory garnet
LOL
rare trail
Oh yeah mb
The only ow heroes who would be alive are soldier Ana reaper torbjorn rein and sigma
ivory garnet
mei is apprently 40 years okd
rare trail
Mei is 40???
ivory garnet
apparently
makes sense actually
she js preserving her life due to the cryogenic chambers
rare trail
Is that factoring in cryo?
ivory garnet
yeah, makes sense then
rare trail
She was in cryo for like 5 years right?
ivory garnet
idk, i’d have to rewatch her cinematic
rare trail
When did the Reinhardt cinematic happen
The one called honor and glory or something
The balderich one
rare trail
So like 22 years in the future?
No
32
Er
36?
Er
26?
Yeah 26
So rein is 32
Symmetra was born the year that happened
worn island
Rein would be like late teens - early 20s irl time wouldnt he?
I could be reinhardt 😳
dawn topaz
limpid agate
Theyve never met
shadow marsh
Are kiriko and D.Va friends? When Kiriko kills D.Va, she say "So long, bestie" w...
A What if
No doubt they'd be besties if they do meet
dawn topaz
From a cringe gamer to a cringe random bullshit something something bike and odysseus
truly a pair made in heaven
pastel wharf
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f1b0032931f013b8abb42 Hi everyone I'm the guy who originally made the Overwatch heroes and villains lore ranking list and I got quite a lot of feed back from you guys so I have newly improved it to suit your ideas as best as possible and they are in rank of each other (if in the same level) from left to right so if there is any more feedback I'd love to hear it and thank you guys for helping!
I'd also like to let you know that I was struggling on where to put Genji so can you guys tell me where he best fits. Thanks!
sharp trench
sick
pastel wharf
ikr
ivory garnet
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f1b0032931f013b8abb42 Hi everyone I'm the guy ...
looks good, but put switch brig and zen
brig 100% has more combat training and is better in combat than zen
leaden reef
But zen has whatever the iris does
vocal marsh
stereotypes are just the tip of the iceberg
Please don’t be one of those people who makes everything about race, it’s a video game
ivory garnet
But zen has whatever the iris does
?, his ult isnt canon
iris is just having a calm mind and a religion in the verse
leaden reef
They never explain why he can float without use of technology
ivory garnet
zen hasnt shown any combat abilities and he isn’t necessarily a fighter
he knows basic defense
thats it
Brig went through training with Reinhardt
a man who has been a soldier of yeara
years
Brig would undoubtedly beat zen in a fight
her flail quite literally put the Null Sector bots into pieces
vocal marsh
Brig went through training with Reinhardt
And Torb is no slouch too
pastel wharf
And Torb is no slouch too
The only reason he would be powerful is because of his machines and were counting self power
shadow marsh
The thing about Zen's ult is called Transcendence
It's what Aurora did, a sacrifice
shadow marsh
Zen is a playable character in game so his ult shouldn't be canon
vocal marsh
The only reason he would be powerful is because of his machines and were countin...
Yeah but she can at least learn some basics from him
rare trail
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f1b0032931f013b8abb42 Hi everyone I'm the guy ...
zarya is a tad low
ana should be higher than soldier
shes bailed him out before iirc
bastion is kinda high
ana should be above widow
hammond should be a bit higher imo
peak escarp
ana should be higher than soldier
Soldier is superhuman though
rare trail
Soldier is superhuman though
i thought ana bailed out soldier in a comic
peak escarp
yep
rare trail
ana should be above widow though right?
ivory garnet
she is the better shot so yeah
stated she hesitated shooting Widow because she noticed it was Amelie
ivory garnet
Zen is a playable character in game so his ult shouldn't be canon
ults are still in lore, but some arent
rare trail
earthshatter is canon right?
ivory garnet
shatter, kitsune rush, dragon blade, hanzo ult, visor, high noon, bob, primal rage, bap ult, zarya ult, death blossom, widow ult, tracer ult, and some others are canon
rare trail
dva too
rare trail
technically sigmas is never shown but its not impossible for me to believe he can lift people in an area up and slam them down
livid elbow
does anyone have the video or quote as to who Soldier 76 is referring to with "300 meters range" or something?
ivory garnet
ana most likely
rare trail
does anyone have the video or quote as to who Soldier 76 is referring to with "3...
probably ana or widow
ana is more likely though
bastions old ult was canon
echos too kinda
rare trail
is junker queens canon?
ivory garnet
mmm, yes
partially
we saw her use her mass magnetic field, but she didnt dash with it
rare trail
so
dva jq rein winston zarya are all cnon
jq is only kinda canon though
and not doom
rare trail
sigma can prolly use his but not confirmed
ivory garnet
junkrat too
he still has his tire on his back
its a possibility
sombra maybe too, since it makes sense
rare trail
ashe old bastion cass echo junkrat genji hanzo pharah reaper soldier sym tracer all canon?
limpid agate
ashe old bastion cass echo junkrat genji hanzo pharah reaper soldier sym tracer ...
Is what canon, ultimates?
Tracer used her Pulse bomb in multiple shorts
Soldier uses his visor often too, it's just not a literal aimbot
Reaper used Death Blossom in the original cinematic trailer
As a contrast
Junkrat and Echos ults are not shown to be canon
He has the tire
But thats about it
ivory garnet
Echos ult is partially canon, not her copying of a body though
Junkrat and Sombra are big probabilities
limpid agate
That means its not canon
rare trail
yeah
so confirmed canon are dva reinhardt winston zarya
ashe old bastion cassidy genji hanzo pharah reaper soldier symm tracer
kiriko baptiste
and suspected are sigma junker queen
echo junkrat widow sombra
mercy
limpid agate
No she cant
Because if she does blow it up
Its a nuclear explosion that would kill her, and if it doesnt kill her, she needs to spend months rebuilding and making a new mech
Its a thing she did once with outside help
rare trail
but like its still posible
possible*
its a thing that can happen
like she can blow up her mech if she wants to its just not a common situation
limpid agate
Cassidy can also shoot himself in the head if he wants
limpid agate
Okay, Pharah can shoot the floor to make herself go up if she wants
And then break her legs in the process
rare trail
yea
like blowing up her mech is sometimes useful
like when she decided to blow it up in her cinematic
rare trail
like just because she wouldnt do it much doesnt make it not canon
ivory garnet
Okay, Pharah can shoot the floor to make herself go up if she wants
?, pharah used her ult twice in 1 comic run
peak escarp
they're talking about rocket jumping
peak escarp
she can blow up her mech
she can blow up her mech once
which isn't very useful in combat
sharp trench
one has to wonder if the ignition of multiple rockets directly beside your body is healthy
rare trail
she can blow up her mech *once*
yeah its very niche in combat
i mean it can be helpful but its not applicable a lot of the time
peak escarp
also I'm pretty sure the Korean government isn't happy about her blowing up an extremely expensive piece of military equipment
sharp trench
but like would they prefer the robot getting to the city?
that’s what air defense for
rare trail
that’s what air defense for
I mean air defense wasn’t getting the robot
Like in dvas cinematic I think it was supposed to give the impression that the city would’ve been hit within it self destruct
sharp trench
doesn’t the meka base have missiles and all too
rare trail
Maybe but like I think the cinematic wants the audience to think that dva had to do this yk?
sharp trench
could’ve been more about ego or feeling the obligation to do it and risk it despite there being another layer of defense
but overwatch lore is riddled with shitty plans and tactics and such so cant really say much
rare trail
I don’t think missiles would’ve gotten there fast enough
Dva said they were less than a minute away from the city and the robot doesn’t have to be in the city to shoot it’s missiles
I think if she didn’t blow her meka up the city would’ve been hit
sharp trench
I don’t think missiles would’ve gotten there fast enough
they would have most likely
there’s no way d.va’s mech is faster than missiles
especially when radar is what picked up the incoming bots
d.va could’ve just went and intercepted the missiles and let defense missiles do the rest of the work in a perfect world
rare trail
there’s no way d.va’s mech is faster than missiles
Dvas mech is already there missiles might not have been fast enough
We’re never shown more reinforcements coming even dva says they won’t get there in time
Intercepting the missiles might not work given how damaged her meka was
sharp trench
The problem isn’t how fast the missiles are the problem is how close D.Va would be to the blast of a missile
sharp trench
there should have been
rare trail
And it would be pretty hard to target a robot like that
stone wave
Hi
rare trail
And we don’t know what koreas defense system looks like other than the mekas
sharp trench
Their defense system kinda sucks given this is overwatch
stone wave
Oh
rare trail
Their defense system kinda sucks given this is overwatch
Overwatch isn’t defending Korea
stone wave
What about dvas short
rare trail
Dva wasn’t in overwatch yet
sharp trench
Overwatch isn’t defending Korea
overwatch as a lore
not the organization in lore
overwatch shouldn’t be responsible for national defense anyway
sharp trench
What about dvas short
basically from any realistic military standpoint it makes no sense
definitely a 🤓 thing
rare trail
Their defense system kinda sucks given this is overwatch
I mean missiles would have to track the robots attacking which is a pretty hard thing to do given you don’t know what they look like or how they operate
sharp trench
Missiles linked with radar would pretty much just airburst a shitload of shrapnel into it and take it down
rare trail
Not necessarily
ivory garnet
Dva wasn’t in overwatch yet
yeah she is
rare trail
But yeah Korea could do a lot better
sharp trench
yeah she is
in shooting star I don’t think so
ivory garnet
oh no not in shooting star
sharp trench
But yeah Korea could do a lot better
Everyone can
But this is Overwatch so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
would be a lot more boring
unless they compensated by upping omnic threat too
but too much effort
rare trail
Why only 5 mekas why no backups why some random 19yo piloting one of them
ivory garnet
Korea (primarily south) was never known for their military, and it probably stayed that way up until that time
ivory garnet
Why only 5 mekas why no backups why some random 19yo piloting one of them
because they believed that the pilots (pro gamers) exceed in hand eye coordination and strategic thinking/quick thinking
rare trail
because they believed that the pilots (pro gamers) exceed in hand eye coordinati...
What
sharp trench
Korea (primarily south) was never known for their military, and it probably stay...
yea but even at a short glance Korean military is capable of such missile defense
sharp trench
pro gamers will not beat a surface to air missile donating 30 kg of shrapnel into their forehead
ivory garnet
MEKA is SK’s primary military force
rare trail
You’re telling me a country employed pro gamers as their primary military force
ivory garnet
yeah
sharp trench
MEKA is SK’s primary military force
💀💀💀💀💀💀
peak escarp
Korea has mandatory military service for men over 18
sharp trench
korean gamers are not a target demographic though
it’s a national thing
just as it’s been since korean war
rare trail
Korea has mandatory military service for men over 18
Weird
peak escarp
gamers (and an F1 driver) have the reflexes required to pilot a mobile mech suit
sharp trench
Weird
eh not really in the context of where they are, but this is not a politics channel
sharp trench
gamers (and an F1 driver) have the reflexes required to pilot a mobile mech suit
i mean
do they though
ivory garnet
yeah
rare trail
But like there seems like there’s better people to pilot a meka
sharp trench
there are completely different stakes
rare trail
Like high ranking military officers
sharp trench
But like there seems like there’s better people to pilot a meka
Proper pilots unless SK’s air force wasn’t a thing
rare trail
Yeah
ivory garnet
SK still has a regular military
rare trail
Doesn’t really make a ton of sense
sharp trench
well this is overwatch
peak escarp
piloting a fighter jet is very different from piloting a mech
rare trail
Ig that’s just overwatch though
stone wave
Who has the best lore
ivory garnet
i’ll put it like this, the MEKA squad is like a mini version of the Super Soldier program in the US, but for different reasons
sharp trench
piloting a fighter jet is very different from piloting a mech
yeah, but pilots are more suited to that role than gamers
peak escarp
instead of training them, just use someone who already knows how - like a world champion gamer who is a pro at a mech-simulation game
ivory garnet
Who has the best lore
its all opinion based, but i suggest either Orisa or Reaper
sharp trench
but if you’re taking pro gamers with a few months of basic training and throwing them into mechs
idk tbh
sounds like a good way to lose lives and a 30 million dollar mech suit
ivory garnet
i mean yes, they do get ahead of themselves shown in New Blood volume 5
but the pilots for MEKA have good decision making with quick thinking
peak escarp
I wouldn't be surprised if Mecha Guardian V isn't secretly a military training program disguised as a game
like some FPS games
ivory garnet
and piloting a jet with 1 joystick is very different than a mech with 2
sharp trench
I wouldn't be surprised if Mecha Guardian V isn't secretly a military training p...
oh some militaries use modified “production” games
sharp trench
and piloting a jet with 1 joystick is very different than a mech with 2
i could go on criticizing the mech designs too
ivory garnet
the mech designs are based off of the user’s capabilities i assume, and their assigned roles
sharp trench
exposed arms, wide glass compartment, etc
ivory garnet
their windshield is pretty sturdy
sharp trench
use a helmet with the 360 look around
ivory garnet
same reason why fighter jets have a 280° window aswell
sharp trench
same reason why fighter jets have a 280° window aswell
issue is fighter jets fly at speeds much higher and are much less likely to get hit by any rounds
dva’s mech probably clocks in 300 miles an hour at the highest with how fat it is
and there are helmets that can see 360 around now with fighter jets so
dense nebula
exposed arms, wide glass compartment, etc
Not to mention the lack of protective gear to handle G-forces
sharp trench
G-forces wouldn’t be as bad
dense nebula
Have you seen the turns Dva makes with that thing?
sharp trench
but she should definitely wear a JHMCS and get rid of the whole glass thing
sharp trench
Have you seen the turns Dva makes with that thing?
lower speed though
less force
still pretty bad on untrained gamers
dense nebula
Now that I’ve enticed you all with the offer of a warm fire
Let’s talk about Computer Science
sharp trench
they could’ve made the mechs much more better
rare trail
Who has the best lore
My personal favorite is sigma although he doesn’t have much
He has his origin and that’s all
Genji is a cool one i like his lore
atomic pier
Is there any lore that might suggest Ingrid Lindholm could become a possible hero in the near future?
peak escarp
nope
atomic pier
She’s a Chemical Engineer, so it is possible.
I’m hoping for a Tank Ingrid that can complete the Lindholm line up.
peak escarp
it's very unlikely
atomic pier
Very, that’s for sure.
ivory garnet
she wasnt as much of a fighter her family was though
very unlikely they’ll complete the family tree
peak escarp
she's a civilian
atomic pier
Literally, I hope they give some kind of secret duality to Ingrid that pulls her into the fight. Like, both her husband and daughter are on the battlefield. Maybe she secretly watches out for them under an unknown alias.
This is my creative mind speaking. I doubt it would actually happen.
Chemical Engineer, tho. There’s potential in a kit with that knowledge.
ivory garnet
Ingrid has no reason to become a part of the fight, having her husband was wounded and her daughter is already in overwatch, with her god-brother also in overwatch aswell
atomic pier
Yes she does. She is a mother.
And what do mother’s do best?
They protect.
She will protect them.
rare trail
It’s a shame there’s no more double tank bc you won’t hear interactions between her and rein in role queue if she gets added
keen summit
I think we’re getting a support for season three though
we are
keen summit
Is there any lore that might suggest Ingrid Lindholm could become a possible her...
it would be hella odd, not all characters in lore have to be a hero, whats next? efi?
keen summit
Do we know who?
nope, we can only speculate
personal thought is mainly sanjay
Part of vishkar and part of talon council
rare trail
Would be cool to get a character who has a more developed pet thing
Like something like knight from dbd
Sanjay is likely
Ok it doesn’t make a ton of sense but a talon ramattra skin would be cool
keen summit
Would be cool to get a character who has a more developed pet thing
so.. kiri?
rare trail
so.. kiri?
Kiri?
keen summit
kiriko
keen summit
then explain what you mean
rare trail
Like how knight in dead by daylight can spawn guys and tell them what to do
keen summit
Like how knight in dead by daylight can spawn guys and tell them what to do
summoner type u mean
rare trail
Yeah like that
keen summit
like how bob kinda works but more complicated
keen summit
there are lots of concepts with those concepts tbf
mainly cuz micromanage stuff is sick
and feels more complicated
rare trail
Would be a pain to code though
keen summit
thing is we kinda have that for support and dps already
keen summit
Would be a pain to code though
not really
rare trail
thing is we kinda have that for support and dps already
?
keen summit
cuz what would you have in mind
keen summit
Would be a pain to code though
also the reason why i said false is cuz other games have done it already, example: warframe with Khora
completely depends on what you have in mind
rare trail
Yeah but like in kinda imagining the crazy code for dva and how she is the problem child of the devs
keen summit
you can make it like a tiger lets say that, make it moira orb like where you either right click or left click and those do something else. on is say maul the other is protect, maul dmgs an enemy and protect goes to an ally and protects them
rare trail
That sounds cool
keen summit
Yeah but like in kinda imagining the crazy code for dva and how she is the probl...
thing is destroying vs making another model do something is way different
rare trail
I think it’s kinda weird although it makes sense how stuff like discord orb doesn’t stay on dva after getting demeched
keen summit
lots of hero candidates can have this type of system, not with a tiger but say with a small set of drones with hardlight for sanjay, max could call in someone
rare trail
Can Sanjay control hardlight?
keen summit
I think it’s kinda weird although it makes sense how stuff like discord orb does...
yeah cuz it in reality just takes away dva mech and then makes new entity be dva
keen summit
Can Sanjay control hardlight?
hes part of vishkar
and in higher management than symmetra
he cant control it like sym can, but save to say he has good tech
rare trail
Yeah
keen summit
vishkar made a city out of hardlight
rare trail
He def has resources
keen summit
personal theory is that hes part of weaponizing it. could tie him in with lucio's dad, why he works with talon and make him a foil for symmetra
rare trail
That’s a cool theory
keen summit
cuz symmetra wants to help the world while sanjay works with talon who wants to create war
and we KNOW vishkar creates weapons
cuz well the amplifier
if they really wanted to just make a boombox, they wouldnt make a trigger on it
but keep in mind, just a theory using writing concepts
but imo that would give him a logical reason to help talon, make him a foil to sym, make vishkar be a bit deeper and even connecting him to lucio
rare trail
That would be really interesting for sanjays character I hope they expand in him
keen summit
for how he could play he could take from old symmetra with shield gen for example, cuz shield generator lines are still kept in code for some reason and even new heroes have lines for it
it has JQ in it
- giving temp shields as a n ability could be really cool
not like old sym where you give it once and it stays
but make it like 3 secs of extra hp
rare trail
Yeah Sanjay could have a really cool kit
keen summit
would also make more sense to why they are reworking brig ult
cuz if they add shield generator the ult would be useless
rare trail
They’re reworking it?
keen summit
They’re reworking it?
yeah
rare trail
Ig it makes sense it’s pretty weak rn
peak escarp
for how he could play he could take from old symmetra with shield gen for exampl...
it's something called futureproofing - they'll keep recording lines of dialogue that aren't used anymore just in case they decide to bring it bak
so they don't have to record them if/when they bring back the feature
shut bronze
Dede
acoustic furnace
@shut bronze
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atomic osprey
The same way a normal hamster shits
im talking like in the ball, like surely he need to go at some point
peak escarp
even real hamsters are smart enough to not poop where they sleep
atomic osprey
even real hamsters are smart enough to not poop where they sleep
yea but like he isnt normal you know what i mean, like too small for the shitter but too big to go in the corner type deal
atomic osprey
ehhh
i disaggree
is there any lore hintin to a cornicopia of comfort in the ball? ie a house
peak escarp
it's retrofitted from the capsule he left the moon in
so he probably doesn't live in the ball
atomic osprey
he stayed in the ball while he won the junktown arena championship
peak escarp
because he was using it to fight
it's not a living space
D.Va doesn't live in her mech
atomic osprey
bit cringe init
shadow rapids
is roadhog a gaslight gatekeep girlboss or a mansplain manipulate malewife, serious lore discussion
limpid agate
!!shitposting @shadow rapids
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rotund ermine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1hRUlQ9Ta8
might be for a different hero
keen summit
might be for a different hero
yeah i theorized for sanjay
rotund ermine
maybe it's mauga 
peak escarp
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peak escarp
none of what you said was true
he wasn't fired
it wasn't retconned
it wasn't even a comic
also that was back in 2019
we've had Tracer and her girlfriend in a comic since then
there was a panel in Reflections in 2016, but he wasn't confirmed to be gay until Bastet in 2019
rare ermine
edgy rapids
whos more powerful lore wise, rein or zen
peak escarp
Rein
ivory garnet
Reinhardt is miles above zen, height and strength wise
worthy rose
whos more powerful lore wise, rein or zen
Zen
shadow marsh
Rein is still above him but Zen shouldn't be underestimated
shadow marsh
Nah
ivory garnet
his ocean of malice? Zen is the most pure hearted individual in lore
worthy rose
you have any photos of this databook?
Go to the overwatch website click books/articles and click 2020
worthy rose
his ocean of malice? Zen is the most pure hearted individual in lore
Listen to his voice lines
peak escarp
Go to the overwatch website click books/articles and click 2020
can you provide a link?
ivory garnet
voicelines arent always canon to lore
shadow marsh
Go to the overwatch website click books/articles and click 2020
Can you send a link instead? If that were to be true many of us here in lore discussion would have known that already
ivory garnet
blizzeon gave it away
shadow marsh
Zen is a citizen omnic
ivory garnet
he knows basic defense
and probably offense aswell
@edgy rapids dont believe him until he gets a promising source
shadow marsh
Yeah, I was about to say he shouldn't be underestimated because he's still capable of throwing hands
But he's not above against people like Rein
edgy rapids
now im still confused
ivory garnet
Zen is a bottom tier combatant
peak escarp
yeah
ivory garnet
though he still knows basic offense and defense
thats about it
only person he can probably beat is Mei and Mercy
and Lucio
Reinhardt can shatter Zen
clear kestrel
AND NO ONE ELSE
I think she pities him
she's not a good person but I don't think she's a complete monster either
ivory garnet
because she knows he is being imprisoned and used by Talon
shadow marsh
She also helped Baptiste escape
fresh oar
I think she pities him
she's not a good person but I don't think she's a complet...
boop
clear kestrel
because she knows he is being imprisoned and used by Talon
I suppose it depends entirely on if she's being sincere in her concern or just
manipulating Sigma for her own ends
the former might put her into potential redemption territory
ivory garnet
no she genuinely feels bad for sigma
clear kestrel
we'll see
tardy grail
which cancelled nano
ivory garnet
?
worthy rose
also they aren't called "champions" they're called "heroes"
Back in 2020 they were called champions it was only recently changed a year and a half ago to heros
peak escarp
no
worthy rose
zen would be against hurting an omnic
In the data book it clearly states “Upon Zenyatta learning of agony waltz upon what he can burden. He realizes that the greator good is worth more then any soul.
ivory garnet
you copy the guy from tiktok who always uses “waltz”
ivory garnet
Zen would rather save people than take them
lol, just saw a tiktok about someone saying Ana is a worse sniper than Widow because she hesitated
peak escarp
Ana has more compassion than Widow
peak escarp
and she's probably a worse sniper now, since she has lost an eye
ivory garnet
i believe any sniper would hesitate even for a second if they noticed it was someone close to them
snipers are seen to be ruthless and cold
but they still have emotions
also, Widow gets her heart slowed down when Moira joins talon right
peak escarp
yeah
ivory garnet
yeah, Ana would’ve won if she didnt hesitate
hardy finch
ok 2 questions about tracer:
what is the origin of her pulse bomb
what are those things she wears on her forearms
peak escarp
her gauntlets are holsters for her guns
her pulse bomb is just a bomb, we don't know where she got it
ivory garnet
just a c4 but a disk
rare trail
Does tracer age normally?
peak escarp
yes
hardy finch
her gauntlets are holsters for her guns
wait really?
peak escarp
I can't remember where, but you can see it in some animation or emote
ivory garnet
u see it in Cinematic Trailer I believe
clear beacon
its the animated short for the release of overwatch
peak escarp
rare trail
Could tracer teleport to like the other side of the earth?
peak escarp
also you can kinda see it from her design
ivory garnet
no
clear beacon
yeah the trailer
ivory garnet
Could tracer teleport to like the other side of the earth?
its just small skips
rare trail
How many seconds can she skip at a time
ivory garnet
if you watched Dragon Ball Super before, it works kinda like Hit
ivory garnet
How many seconds can she skip at a time
infinitely until she overloads her device on her chest, I forgot what its called
peak escarp
chronal accelerator