Talon, Blackwatch, NS, Vishkar, Overwatch, etc
#lore-discussion
ivory garnet
tepid sand
If only they can do the same amount of effort into the game-
ivory garnet
i mean they just came out with a good patch but that isnt lore so
keen summit
probs the iris
ivory garnet
thats only if they believe in it, and iris expands with Human and Omnic
if its Omnic only doubt it would be Iris
opaque tundra
Why have I just realized Null is a synonym for none, nothing and the logo is a stop/no sign and it's probably a reference to Ramattra's line "No more" or maybe I'm looking into this too much and I'm going insane
dense nebula
Well it is crossing out an S
Null Sector, no sector and what not
So you may not be that far off
carmine meadow
does the robot tank that just came to the game, does he have any lore yet
carmine meadow
ik its a little early but is he related to like orisa or zen
or bastion
or echo
opaque tundra
Ramattra and Zenyatta considered each other brothers. You can read his bio on the website
dense nebula
Wrong channel 
ivory garnet
does the robot tank that just came to the game, does he have any lore yet
He is considered “brothers” with Zenyatta and he is the Leader of the Omnic Terrorist Group known as Knull Sector. He has ties with Doomfist (Talon Leader)
theres more in his origin story and short story
vapid tusk
So I’m trying to get a list of every playable character in order of appearance in the lore
I got everyone except for
Sigma, Ashe, echo, symmetra, and Baptiste
Wasn’t orisa specifically created to stop doom?
If so then it’d make sense that she doesn’t fight anyone else lol
runic mauve
"In this world, pacifism is foolish." Says Soldier:76 just right before Zenyatta drops the hardest line ever. (Given the context.)
peak escarp
So I’m trying to get a list of every playable character in order of appearance ...
Sigma - Code of Violence (short story)
Echo - Reunion (animated short)
Ashe - Reunion (animated short)
Symmetra - A Better World (comic)
Baptiste - What You Left Behind (short story)
every hero has appeared in a piece of lore at least once
some are just cameos though
Hammond's only appearances are cameos
worthy rose
Hammond controls all onmics
vapid tusk
@peak escarp if it’s not too much to ask for, could you list all 26 characters in chronological order of appearance in the main Overwatch universe
peak escarp
<@207741110838231042> if it’s not too much to ask for, could you list all 26 cha...
I'm at work right now, but ask me in about 2 hours and I can do it
vapid tusk
Ok :) thank you
limpid agate
<@207741110838231042> if it’s not too much to ask for, could you list all 26 cha...
Do you mean appearance in the lore, or appearance to us
Some heroes like Symmetra or Hanzo first appeared in the lore years after they were already playable
But one can argue that is enough of a first appearance
They are literally terrorists
worthy rose
Does Ramattra want to kill all the humans so the omnics are safe or does he want to use violence to achieve co-existence
limpid agate
@vapid tusk Sorry got automuted, too many new lines, but I can post a list about 2 minutes apart. F
Before Launch:
Cinematic Trailer: Genji, Pharah, Soldier 76, Torbjorn, Tracer, Winston, Zenyatta, Reinhardt, Mercy, Bastion, Cassidy, Lucio, Echo (old design), Widowmaker, Reaper, Doomfist
Gameplay Trailer: Symmetra, Hanzo
Twitter before Zarya trailer: Zarya
Soldier 76 trailer: Ana
Junkers trailer: Roadhog, Junkrat
Twitter before Blizzcon 2015: D.Va, Mei
BlizzCon 2015: Sombra
Recall: Sojourn
Dragon Slayer (Comic): Brigitte
Overwatch 1:
Orisa trailer: Orisa
Horizon Lunar Colony: Hammond
Masquerade: Moira
Junkertown: Junkerqueen
Reunion: Ashe, Echo
Baptiste Trailer: Baptiste
Storm Rising: Ramattra
Sigma Trailer: Sigma
Kanezaka: Kiriko
The criteria here was the character was either mentioned by name or by face.
Except for Kiriko.
Her mom was mentioned by name, and she was mentioned as her daughter. And it was basically guaranteed that there would be a hero tied to that, but I forget if it was officially confirmed or not.
I dont think it was
If you disagree with that, then move Kiriko to her trailer, which was earlier this year.
ivory garnet
Before Launch:
Cinematic Trailer: Genji, Pharah, Soldier 76, Torbjorn, Tracer, W...
which cinematic trailer are you talking about?
peak escarp
in the group image during the montage
ivory garnet
never realized that was there
vapid tusk
Do you mean appearance in the lore, or appearance to us
Appearance in the lore
Sorry for late response
Thanks so much for going out of your way for this
Are the trailers you listed arranged in chrono order?
limpid agate
Yes
If you want appearance in the lore, then move Symmetra and Hanzo to after Brigitte
As they first appeared in a comic and a short released before the launch of the game
Also in that order still
A Better World released a couple of days before Dragons (short)
peak escarp
I need to update it for Ramattra, but I made a spreadsheet of lore appearances and the date of their most recent non-cameo appearance
ivory garnet
he first appeared in a cameo at the end of Storm Rising
other than that he hasnt appeared till his origin story
vapid tusk
👌
rare trail
would be cool if ram was connected with mondottas assassination
opaque tundra
His anger towards Mondatta in his lore bite certainly is a hint towards something
peak escarp
he did think Mondatta should be punished for betraying them
keen summit
Before Launch:
Cinematic Trailer: Genji, Pharah, Soldier 76, Torbjorn, Tracer, W...
wait how was sombra teased blizzcon 2015? also dont forget with orisa the numbani map change and the lead up with efi building her
keen summit
Her mom was mentioned by name, and she was mentioned as her daughter. And it was...
ah fair but efi with orisa thats the same
keen summit
He kinda is?
its unconfirmed if talon did it with him wanting it or not
limpid agate
wait how was sombra teased blizzcon 2015? also dont forget with orisa the numban...
Dorado
And the Numbani map change happened during Orisas build up
It wasn't done prior
And she herself didn't exist yet
rare trail
i thought echos creator made them
peak escarp
Dr. Liao was involved in their early development
she was responsible for creating Aurora
Torbjorn was the designer on several weapons systems, one of which was the E54 autonomous siege robot, aka the "Bastion" model
limpid agate
@zenith zinc Neither.
Omnica was a company that made Omniums, which in turn made Omnics
Omnica hired Liao to join them after it already existed.
And during the crisis, the Omniums took Torbjorn's designs and repurposed them into anti-human war machines.
zenith zinc
Omnica was a company that made Omniums, which in turn made Omnics
Thank you! That makes a lot of sense now 🙂
But what are Omniums? Omnic factories? Are they self-aware?
limpid agate
Omniums are Omnic Factories that use self-improving and adaptive algorithms
limpid agate
What are you talking about @red oak
red oak
A pun. But weren't there omnic segregation?
limpid agate
In some places
peak escarp
broken moat
wonderful
worldly lintel
Why does Brigitte's cat have a horn
peak escarp
he's connected through Doomfist
worldly lintel
why brig cat horn
limpid agate
Because Reinhardt has one
limpid agate
What about adding Nameless? Complicated tie to Ramattra, former of Null Sector. Also, Hammond's new bio seems to have retconned him being a former member of Junkertown
While Hammond journeys into the wider world from time to time, he’s found a happy—if somewhat chaotic—home at the Junker Queen’s side. After all, as reigning champion of the Scrapyard, he has a title to defend.
peak escarp
that still sounds like he was aJunker to me
limpid agate
Current Member
Not former
They have still not updated any base of operations other than Zenyatta's
And that was to change his to the new map this season
peak escarp
hmm
limpid agate
But his bio now says he is actively a Junker
And the mini bio above says he is the Queen's bodyguard
peak escarp
gotcha
spare jungle
zenyatta is a cuck in the overwatch lore
ivory garnet
zenyatta has only been shown to be a good being?
rare trail
zenyatta is a cuck in the overwatch lore
?
spare jungle
??
limpid agate
!!shitposting @spare jungle
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limpid agate
Also, here is something that was brought up to me recently, would like to hear others thoughts on it.
Stone Anthony.
Normally, I wouldnt give a shit about a character being introduced in an interaction one off like him. From the context its just another gang member from the southwest
But why does Junkrat know who he is?
peak escarp
Junkrat mentions Stone Anthony?
peak escarp
maybe Stone Anthony left the southwest and became a Junker?
or maybe he was always a Junker and was just travelling through the southwest when Cassidy encountered him
or maybe Junkrat met him during his own world tour of heists - he was in Dorado, after all
rare trail
Yeah that’s fair
How powerful are guns in the overwatch universe
Like Winston can take a few bullets right?
peak escarp
they're as powerful as the plot needs them to be
limpid agate
He wont tell us
rare trail
And ram was a war robot right?
rare trail
Are mondotta and zenyatta the same model?
peak escarp
they look like the basic "civilian" model
limpid agate
They have a similar goal
Doomfist doesnt love chaos
Doomfist wants a war
Because humanity improves during war
Its not the same
I know what you mean and its wrong
Yeah thats not it
Its that humanity becomes stronger and evolves during wars
peak escarp
Ramattra wants to fight a war to secure rights for his people, but he lacks the resources for a global conflict
Doomfist/Talon has the resources he needs
noble pendant
Doomfist/Talon has the resources he needs
And doomfist gets a war that he can gain from, in order to evolve humanity
cyan locust
Reaper has a wife
ivory garnet
had*
keen summit
They have a similar goal
yeah both would benefit from eachother
grand wedge
But why does Junkrat know who he is?
Crazy Speculation : JQ's name is Odessa Stone, so maybe Stone Anthony is related to her. Brother? Uncle?
peak escarp
Stone is Odessa's last name
grand wedge
And Ashe calls herself Ashe, even if it's her last name
mortal patrol
I've just been binge watching the cinematics and have realised that some characters have combo moves like Tracer and Winton when Winton launches Tracer at Reaper and Widow, also Brigitte and Reinhardt creating a larger shield, any specific reason as to why this isn't in the game?
peak escarp
And Ashe calls herself Ashe, even if it's her last name
I assumed "Stone Anthony" was a first and last name
peak escarp
I've just been binge watching the cinematics and have realised that some charact...
it is in the game - players combo moves all the time
just not those specific ones
maiden granite
imagine having "stone" as a first name tho
peak escarp
I've heard weirder
drifting viper
I assumed "Stone Anthony" was a first and last name
It might not be his real name
wise tulip
Do you guys think Orisa was affected by the iris?
She didn’t come from an omnium but she seems very much sentient in ow2
hexed sundial
When we are attacking in Eichenwalde, we can see some skyscraper in the distance looking throuhg the windows. It would be Queen Street?
limpid agate
@wise tulip No. Her personality was made by Efi
She was born long after the Iris
Or more specifically
She was born long after Aurora's ascension gave sentience to the existing omnics
The OR14s and 15s notably were hollow. Even the omnics of Numbani didn't really seem them as more than just security drones
wise tulip
Hmm
limpid agate
There are quite a few sentient ai and robots that are unrelated to omnics
Athena and Echo are not omnics (but had a shared creator in Mina Liao)
Snowball is also not an omnic
And Anubis is an enigma
wise tulip
Yeah true
Echo is a very strange character
If she learns from the wrong people she could be very dangerous
limpid agate
That is why she was locked up
wise tulip
Makes sense
Bastion is definitely sentient
The fact that a little bird eases him and gives him comfort
limpid agate
All of the named omnics are sentient
maiden granite
birb
wise tulip
I really like how Junkrat isn’t even mean to anyone
Almost every character seems to hate him though lol
scarlet latch
junkrat is the best
ivory garnet
Do you guys think Orisa was affected by the iris?
No, she was made from an Or15 body and her own personality was made up by Efi
vocal marsh
Mercy?
limpid agate
Mercy?
Mercy (and D.Va) do not have your standard pistol archetype
Its a projectile weapon that looks like a handgun
mighty dawn
Just the lore
peak escarp
!!shitposting @mighty dawn
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mighty dawn
!!shitposting <@763986275911860226>
Huh
mighty dawn
Fr
modest granite
Need pushbot lore
worthy rose
Need answers on why roadhog has a gun on his back
sonic helm
shoot people
drifting viper
Need answers on why roadhog has a gun on his back
Character design
worthy rose
Character design
But why, its useless in game
drifting viper
But why, its useless in game
because the guy who designed roadhog thought itd be cool to give him a gun on his back
probably
worthy rose
because the guy who designed roadhog thought itd be cool to give him a gun on hi...
This answer is useless
limpid agate
@worthy rose Gameplay != Lore.
He has the shotgun on his back for the same reason Soldier has a handgun on his leg
It was part of his original design
Like, visual design
That's it, that's all
worthy rose
<@456226577798135808> Gameplay != Lore.
Toradora
viscid flax
drifting viper
Someone tell me all of the lore
theres a 30 minute video in the pins but the short version is:
robots became evil and gained consciousness and started a war with humans, humans made overwatch to win the war, they won, overwatch fell, worlds falling apart without overwatch, winston recalls all overwatch agents, they fight a huge robot in paris
theres also a group of bad guys called talon ran by doomfist
worthy rose
Roadhog could lore wise trash and scrap orissa (see: roadhog survives direct nuke) "HURRRR BUT SHE CHASED MEME FIST OUT" okay but she didnt beat him 
Nah
Reaper would trash Roadhog let alone Orisa
sharp trench
reaper would trash everyone without plot bias
except maybe kiriko
maybe orisa too
peak escarp
Roadhog isn't that impressive
he's just a really strong human with radiation poisoning
sharp trench
roadhog is literally just a fat lard with a bunch of scrap
rich grail
reaper would trash everyone without plot bias
well not necessarily
the top 5 lorewise are as follows
sigma, doomfist, winston, orisa, reindhardt
rare trail
stronger
rich grail
how
rich grail
hardlight is not invincible
also fist has better reaction speed/speed than sym
so could probably catch her before she gets the chance
fist scales higher in every aspect
better feats too
still have no clue where ram scales though
haven’t gotten enough lore
rare trail
hardlight is not invincible
its better than strong arm man
like hardlight can do anything
rich grail
its better than strong arm man
it’s definitely not just strong arm
its noted as the most powerful weapon in the OW lore
rich grail
like hardlight can do anything
hardlight isn’t a material though, its essentially a branded process of the creation of structures
rare trail
its not the most powerful weapon
rich grail
yes it is
rare trail
sigma is the most pwoerful weapon
or orisa
hardlight basically makes sym green lantern
green lantern is overpowered if you think about it
rich grail
sigma is the most pwoerful weapon
well if you consider him a weapon ig
rich grail
hardlight basically makes sym green lantern
well there’s an issue with that
hardlight is not something that is instantly summoned (ignoring gameplay here btw)
it is stated that it takes time to make hardlight constructs
so i just done see symettra doing much to doomfist in a 1v1
shed be halfway through trying something then would get speed blitzed cause fist has stupidly high reaction time
peak escarp
why does everyone put Doomfist so high on the power ranking?
ivory garnet
bc he’s the main antag ig
peak escarp
he has canonically been defeated by both Winston and Orisa
ivory garnet
Symm is solidified in the top 4
rich grail
why does everyone put Doomfist so high on the power ranking?
scaling
ivory garnet
Doom is interchangeable with Reaper
peak escarp
Symm and Sigma are top two on speculation
ivory garnet
yeah thats who I have
rich grail
Doom is interchangeable with Reaper
only reason reaper makes it so far is cause of immortality
ivory garnet
he isnt immortal
peak escarp
based on known power, top three are Winston, Orisa and Reaper
rich grail
by definition yes
peak escarp
he is very hard to kill, and can heal from anything that doesn't kill him
ivory garnet
he can still die, its just harder to kill him
yeah
take it as
Wolverine for example
he has his type of super healing, just his individual cells
peak escarp
his regeneration isnt what makes him top 3
rich grail
he isnt immortal
there is multiple kinda
ivory garnet
i have him in top 3 known power for his battle iq
rare trail
winston is prolly #1 right?
peak escarp
he's also a well trained soldier with superstrength
rich grail
reaper classifies as a low class 2 immortality
ivory garnet
winston is prolly #1 right?
known power yeah, but speculation and potential is Sigma
rare trail
known power yeah, but speculation and potential is Sigma
in a fight winston would prolly beat sigma bc main character though
dense nebula
Sigma is potentially number 1, Symmetra potentially number 2
ivory garnet
its whatever plot demands so
rich grail
maybe type 7 immortality but i dont know
ivory garnet
we have no info on Ramattra
peak escarp
Safe to say he’s stronger than Orisa
why?
ivory garnet
he is prolly weaker than Doom tho
rich grail
i want more juicy ram lore 😩
ivory garnet
or on equal footing
rich grail
he is prolly weaker than Doom tho
that wouldn’t make sense then
dense nebula
why?
Orisa was designed to beat Doom, she might have trouble adapting to a threat she has yet to face
Especially one as unpredictable as Ramattra
ivory garnet
adapting sure, but her durability is probably the best in the series
peak escarp
Orisa can stop a bus barehanded, and has forced Doomfist to retreat at least once
we haven't seen Ramattra fight in canon
ivory garnet
we’ve only seen him in Storm Rising end cutscene if im not mistaken
(not counting origin story)
dense nebula
At the very least he’s on par with Doomfist if he’s been in charge of Null Sector leading on the frontlines for as long as he has
peak escarp
and the short story Reflections
ivory garnet
yeah, by weaker i only meant like 1 tier below
peak escarp
being a good leader doesn't make you powerful
rich grail
background leader?
ivory garnet
yeah, someone who isnt in the frontlines
dense nebula
He’s quite literally a Shepard, he’s at the forefront guiding his omnic “sheep”
rich grail
being a good leader doesn't make you powerful
well in turn it does
dense nebula
He wields a shepard’s cane for crying out loud
rich grail
power is not just conventional strength or ability
dense nebula
Look at Napoleon
ivory garnet
if Ramattra’s lore powers are anything like gameplay, i’d say equal to doom
but we have nothing for strength lorewise
dense nebula
Nemesis form should be a decently strong form in lore
ivory garnet
nemesis yeah, dont see his ult being in lore tho
dense nebula
It’s basically his hulk out moment
dense nebula
There’s no way the Nemesis Form isn’t canon
peak escarp
why not?
peak escarp
Zen's Transcendence isn't strictly canon
rich grail
nemesis yeah, dont see his ult being in lore tho
i do
its nanobots
his staff is in lore
dense nebula
One is Buddha magic the other is a physical transformation
peak escarp
several abilities work differently in the lore
rich grail
so why not something similar to ult?
if zens transcendence was canon hed be #1 (its not unfortunately)
peak escarp
you shouldn't assume abilities are canon until we see them in action
Mercy's rez is a big one
ivory garnet
his ult is the opposite of zen’s, so i dont see it being canon as he has an orb of infinite nanobots ontop of his head
ember portal
i'd say ramatra is stronger than anyone else, he sounds like the big baddie after all
plus, anyone know how null sector omnics work? do they even know they're part of the rebellion
rich grail
i'd say ramatra is stronger than anyone else, he sounds like the big baddie afte...
we will have to wait and see
hoping ram is at least top 5
maybe top 3
top 3 imo is still sig, sym, and fist
all for extremely different reasons
rare trail
top 3 imo is still sig, sym, and fist
winston and orisa are more powerful than doomfist
winston has beaten him before
rich grail
winston beat him yeah
ivory garnet
i'd say ramatra is stronger than anyone else, he sounds like the big baddie afte...
thats not goingto happen
peak escarp
plus, anyone know how null sector omnics work? do they even know they're part of...
they seem to be mindless drones
rare trail
winston beat him yeah
so winston should be in top three
rich grail
no
ivory garnet
Winston and Orisa are both stronger than Doom
rich grail
contextually
ivory garnet
and Reaper potentially
rich grail
contextual strength is very important
ember portal
they seem to be mindless drones
how does that work for the liberation
ivory garnet
contextual strength,,,so ur enforcing that Doom is weaker than Orisa and Winston
peak escarp
how does that work for the liberation
what do you mean,
rich grail
if winston is more powerful than doom he should be above doom in power ranking
winston stalemated with doomfist by technicality- so its very hard to determine. they both took an L
rare trail
winston stalemated with doomfist by technicality- so its very hard to determine....
uh no? winston won in doom origin
rich grail
contextual strength,,,so ur enforcing that Doom is weaker than Orisa and Winston
weaker than orisa cause orisa is built to fight him
ember portal
isn't ramatra's point the uprising of omics, and be "free" of humanity?
rich grail
a smart terrorist at that
rich grail
Winston definitively won
was he not left unconscious after the fact???
peak escarp
the hero most like Batman is.... Soldier
dense nebula
He literally got beaten so badly by Orisa he was forced to flee Numbani
peak escarp
was he not left unconscious after the fact???
no
ivory garnet
winston stalemated with doomfist by technicality- so its very hard to determine....
doomfist lost
dense nebula
How am I supposed to take Doomfist seriously if all he does is lose?
peak escarp
Winston's state after the fight was never mentioned
ivory garnet
when we see him in jail, thats cuz WINSTON put him in there
ember portal
i meant batman like, the fact that he has built himself to be ready to be the baddie
didn't he beat people up the hierarchy of talon or did yt shorts troll me?
ivory garnet
who
ember portal
Doom
peak escarp
Doomfist killed the previous Doomfist
ivory garnet
^^
peak escarp
his mentor
dense nebula
And that’s his only w in lore to my knowledge
peak escarp
he also threw Vialli off a bridge
rich grail
And that’s his only w in lore to my knowledge
unfortunately
peak escarp
and absolutely trashed the Numbani airport
dense nebula
Why are game writers so scared to let villains win these days?
ivory garnet
pretty sure in one of the comics, it shows Orisa directly catching doom’s punch, trynna find it rn
ember portal
he trashed the orisa-like-bots in numbani too yeah
ivory garnet
Why are game writers so scared to let villains win these days?
they had reaper winning then said “nvm, winston gotta win”
rich grail
as described
“Doomfist possesses great strength and agility, even without his gauntlet,[4] in part due to his cybernetic implants. He is an excellent martial artist, has superhuman levels of concentration,[5] and is a master strategist.[6]”
gets ragdolled by an angry gorilla
dense nebula
No point in even bringing up stakes if you already know the good guys are gonna win just cause they always do
rich grail
i want doom W
ember portal
honestly i love winston and the wins are just main character-mad-energy
rich grail
i want bad guys to take a W
ember portal
but @peak escarp
ivory garnet
he wants to exterminate most of humanity yes
worthy rose
based on known power, top three are Winston, Orisa and Reaper
Doomfist and Rein are stronger than Reaper imo
ivory garnet
due to the discrimination against Omnics
worthy rose
Reaper isn't even that powerful really
ivory garnet
Doomfist and Rein are stronger than Reaper imo
doomfist is interchangeable wit reaper, but rein doesnt come close to Reaper
Reaper sustains barely any damage from physical strikes
worthy rose
Reinhardt was taking tank blasts from Bastions fine
Reaper would struggle to hurt Rein
ivory garnet
and rein would struggle to beat reaper
worthy rose
And all Rein needs is a few hits to win
ember portal
i mean
worthy rose
Rein also has shields
ivory garnet
reinhardt isnt fast upclose against reaper’s wraith
dense nebula
And all Rein needs is a few hits to win
The issue isn’t how many hits it would take
The issue is landing them
ember portal
isn't reaper pretty much imortal?
ivory garnet
no
dense nebula
isn't reaper pretty much imortal?
No
worthy rose
He can stun Reaper with his ult
worthy rose
Before smashing his head in
dense nebula
Rein’s ult isn’t a canon thing to my knowledge
worthy rose
if he can land the ult
Why not? Reaper's been surprised attacked before
ivory garnet
it is
ember portal
isn't he like, rotting and healing at the same time?
ivory garnet
Rein’s ult isn’t a canon thing to my knowledge
shown in Honor and Glory cinematic
worthy rose
Rein’s ult isn’t a canon thing to my knowledge
It has been shown in comic iirc
ivory garnet
and zero hour
ember portal
how do you kill something that has a healk factor with a hammer?
ivory garnet
Why not? Reaper's been surprised attacked before
winston has a hard time doing physical damage against reaper, only got him due to his shield blowing up and his electricity
worthy rose
Reinhardt's ult looks pretty fast. Winston has surprised tagged Reaper with his failing shield device. Wouldn't be surprised if Rein could do the same
dense nebula
Reaper’s weakness is his need to constantly regenerate
Being in extended fights can potentially weaken him too much
ember portal
Being in extended fights can potentially weaken him too much
ooooh
worthy rose
winston has a hard time doing physical damage against reaper, only got him due t...
Winston could likely few shot Reaper If he got his hands on him
peak escarp
Rein isn't very strong
ivory garnet
he got his hands on him in “Cinematic Trailer” and did nothing to him
peak escarp
he's just a big guy in power armor
worthy rose
Rein isn't very strong
Rein is stronger than most Ow characters
peak escarp
most humans, sure
worthy rose
he's just a big guy in power armor
That's like saying Iron Man is just a guy in power armor
ember portal
he can't be just a guy with a shield
ivory garnet
reaper’s weakness is most likely energy blasts (zarya weapon, winston gun, etc)
peak escarp
not the omnics or cyborgs or supersoldiers
worthy rose
most humans, sure
Almost all the playable roster is human
ember portal
btw, how does hammond feel towards winston?
ivory garnet
betrayed ig, or mixed
peak escarp
That's like saying Iron Man is just a guy in power armor
Iron man isnt very powerful compared to the rest of the Avengers
dense nebula
That brings up a good point, can’t Reaper’s regeneration be overloaded and basically shut down if it needs to actively regenerate at an even faster pace if damaged by electricity or plasma?
worthy rose
Iron man isnt very powerful compared to the rest of the Avengers
Yes he is. Cap, Widow, Hawkeye is fodder to Iron Man
He's gone toe to toe with Thor before as well
ivory garnet
That brings up a good point, can’t Reaper’s regeneration be overloaded and basic...
yes
thats why Winston made him disperse
ember portal
That brings up a good point, can’t Reaper’s regeneration be overloaded and basic...
for sure
ivory garnet
due to it being energy
dense nebula
Even further proof that Reaper’s main power is a detriment
ivory garnet
and cuz electricity can conduct through alot
hardlight can touch reaper’s wraith too maybe, dont know tho
worthy rose
But yeah Reaper vs Rein isn't easy win for Reaper even if he does win. I mean he was struggling with Tracer
dense nebula
Reaper’s much like General Grievous from Star Wars imo. He needs to get the surprise on an enemy and overwhelm them quickly else he’s forced to rest rest
ivory garnet
however. Symm, Sigma, and Reaper have the highest potential roof so
worthy rose
I'm pretty sure Reaper is already at full potential
Like what's there for Reaper to grow on?
dense nebula
He is to my knowledge
ember portal
Is blossom cannon?
ivory garnet
yes
dense nebula
Whereas Doomfist can always evolve and adapt on his own body
worthy rose
But yeah Reaper definitely isn't at first place. I mean he ran away from Winston at the museum
dense nebula
Reaper has basically hit his limit in terms of strength
ivory garnet
Reaper can get stronger by the laws of “death blossom” as when he does it, his legs are mist but the rest of his body isnt. He could possibly do the same with that, but other parts of his body
rich grail
the issue with OW lore is that there’s alot of inconsistencies with power between characters. traditional scaling doesn’t work very well either due to lack of feats on most characters. it also gets confusing intertwining with gameplay/interactions. anyway ball strongest cause sphere is the most effective shape 
ember portal
Reaper can get stronger by the laws of “death blossom” as when he does it, his l...
if blossom is canon, i say lorewise, this is def a possiility
dense nebula
Reaper can get stronger by the laws of “death blossom” as when he does it, his l...
So basically pull a Hit and only perfect his technique
ivory garnet
yes
dense nebula
Which still has a limit
rich grail
if blossom is canon, i say lorewise, this is def a possiility
it is canon
ivory garnet
but a limit you can keep on expanding
dense nebula
but a limit you can keep on expanding
Physical techniques can only be pushed so far, even Death Blossom
ember portal
like imagine him pulling hout a half body, 666 ( for edge points ) arms with shotguns type ordeal
worthy rose
the issue with OW lore is that there’s alot of inconsistencies with power betwee...
Nah Winston would punch ball
ember portal
that would be cool
ivory garnet
like, due to him being able to disperse a part of his body, what if at some point physical attacks dont even effect him due to being able to just disperse that part of his body
worthy rose
Primal Winston already whooped Reaper and Doomfist
rich grail
i think the OW story will solve ALOT of lore arguments
worthy rose
He is number one for sure
ivory garnet
Reaper’s advantage IS physical attacks
rich grail
very excited to see it
worthy rose
And Winston far outclasses Reaper in Primal form in physical attacks
dense nebula
like, due to him being able to disperse a part of his body, what if at some poin...
That would still leave him vulnerable, if not more vulnerable to plasma and electric attacks
ivory garnet
yeah, everyone has a weakness
peak escarp
I don't get why everyone cares so much about power rankings
ivory garnet
but that doesnt stunt his limit
worthy rose
I don't get why everyone cares so much about power rankings
Because it's interesting
peak escarp
it's such a useless topic
ember portal
didn't reaper fuck up and entire big ass omnic alone?
dense nebula
I just want to see the villains get some actual wins in lore
worthy rose
it's such a useless topic
Lots of topics are useless. It's fun to talk about though
ember portal
i think that same omnic would give winston a tought one tbh
ivory garnet
didn't reaper fuck up and entire big ass omnic alone?
in “Infiltration” yes
rich grail
it's such a useless topic
every topic conceptually talked about in this discord is useless 
worthy rose
I just want to see the villains get some actual wins in lore
Reason they always lose is Winston is so damn op
peak escarp
if we're going to discuss power levels, I'd rather discuss specific 1v1s
ivory garnet
the villains just lose due to plot demands
peak escarp
those are more interesting
worthy rose
if we're going to discuss power levels, I'd rather discuss specific 1v1s
Yeah like Reaper vs Reinhardt is interesting
ember portal
I don't get why everyone cares so much about power rankings
my business in power ranking conversations is finding out the character's move set that doesn't come up in the game
rich grail
if we're going to discuss power levels, I'd rather discuss specific 1v1s
hammond (no wrecking ball) vs winston (primal rage)
settle it
worthy rose
hammond (no wrecking ball) vs winston (primal rage)
......Winston ofc
ember portal
i think everyone wants a power ranking because everyone wants to hop in the discussion but no one knows anything
ivory garnet
winston arguably wins, ball or no ball
rich grail
......Winston ofc
you underestimate the hamster
dense nebula
Could Mei actually be a very deadly fight for Reaper? Considering she can slow down his cell regeneration?
worthy rose
It's flipping WINSTON. He never lost a fight. Ball hasn't even been in one
ivory garnet
Could Mei actually be a very deadly fight for Reaper? Considering she can slow d...
not likely
worthy rose
Winston beats top tier OW characters like Reaper and Doomfist
rich grail
Could Mei actually be a very deadly fight for Reaper? Considering she can slow d...
mei isn’t good at fighting
she has a lack of experience
worthy rose
Reaper shoots her in the face likely
rich grail
yeah
worthy rose
I mean Mei isn't very fast or agile
ivory garnet
mei is just an ordinary human
peak escarp
Reaper would outplay Mei easily due to lack of experience
rich grail
i dont think ice would stop whatever gauge reaper uses
worthy rose
Maybe if she had like prep time there's a slight chance
But we never see what she can do with prep though
rich grail
even with prep nah
ember portal
Reaper would outplay Mei easily due to lack of experience
idk, mei was the one that came up with the freeze bom idea
she sounds like she's built for the smarts
worthy rose
Reaper can use wraith form to avoid the bomb
ivory garnet
“Mei, your backpack”
implying to use it
she came up with using Tracer’s bomb tho yeah
worthy rose
How about Winston vs Symmetra
ember portal
Reaper can use wraith form to avoid the bomb
i'm saying that mei would come up with an idea but know that i recall correctly she would froze up, pun intended
ivory garnet
Symm wins imo
peak escarp
Mei is smart, but has little combat experience
worthy rose
Symm wins imo
Yeah I'm going with Symm too.....maybe
ivory garnet
Symm top 2 in verse
peak escarp
whereas Reaper is a military veteran with tactical leadership experience
ivory garnet
and, mei is just an ordinary human
worthy rose
whereas Reaper is a military veteran with tactical leadership experience
He was the og leader of OW
peak escarp
yep
ivory garnet
Symm will always be in top 5
ember portal
who wins Soldier vs Reaper pre/post Ow dismember
worthy rose
who wins Soldier vs Reaper pre/post Ow dismember
Reaper stomps
ivory garnet
Soldier got saved by Ana
ember portal
big diff?
peak escarp
they haven't had a fair fight yet
ivory garnet
yeah thats true
worthy rose
Soldier is like C tier in power. Reaper is A tier imo
peak escarp
it was a 2v1
ivory garnet
when they did fight 1v1, Reaper was winning tho
peak escarp
and Soldier still came out badly wounded
worthy rose
Reaper at least held off Primal Winston for a time. Soldier would absolutely die
ivory garnet
forgot what comic that was in
ember portal
Isn't Ana like , a G ?
rich grail
i just dont understand why people put sym in top 2
peak escarp
forgot what comic that was in
Old Soldiers
rich grail
could someone like elaborate
ember portal
i just dont understand why people put sym in top 2
hardlight
ivory garnet
i just dont understand why people put sym in top 2
hardlight is the most broken thing in the verse
peak escarp
hardlight has a lot of potential power
worthy rose
i just dont understand why people put sym in top 2
The amount of turrets she can make and the fact she could theoretically make any weapon including potentially nukes
ivory garnet
its green lantern without needing the power of “will”
peak escarp
you can make just about anything out of it
ivory garnet
1km hammer already made or wtv
ivory garnet
only Sigma could (speculation)
ember portal
zarya kinetic absorption is canon right?
ivory garnet
winston doesnt stand a chance against symm imo
ember portal
so in theory she can beat primal winston
worthy rose
Oh yeah Sigma too. He sucks balls though
ivory garnet
Zarya isnt as OP as she is in game
Sigma and Symm are 1 and 2 for me
thats for speculation
Sigma hasnt shown any fighting prowess in lore yet
ember portal
the man harnesses gravity
worthy rose
isn't sigma at the top too?
He is but the amount of wanking from fans about his power level irritates me
I heard someone say Sigma cAn Lift An ISlaNd
ivory garnet
no lol
peak escarp
probably not
peak escarp
you mean the novel?
ivory garnet
yeah
peak escarp
yes
ivory garnet
what did it have in there
peak escarp
- the outbreak of the omnic crisis, in which Sojourn's niece is critically injured
- a few months into the crisis, Sojourn launched a rescue mission to save some trapped civilians
- the mission goes sideways and Overwatch (30ish soldiers led by Morrison and Torbjorn) saves her
the rest of the novel is Sojourn's CAF squad helping Overwatch set up defenses in Ottawa, then Sojourn, Morrison, Torbjorn and Liao go inside the Detroit omnium to disable its connection to an unknown outside signal
inside the omnium they get their first look at Ravagers, although they're not named
just the description is given
ember portal
what are the ravagers?
rare trail
my headcannon is that rammattra ball in his staff is teh same kind as zens balls
sharp trench
Zarya isnt as OP as she is in game
shouldn’t it be the opposite
zarya wields a fucking plasma beam that can cut through steel like it’s no problem
put that beam on anything it’s dead
worthy rose
Is there any lore behind the skins?
Like
What do Baihu and Oni have to do with Genji
queen whale
yeah theres timelines in some skins, and maybe some references to lore in them too
shadow marsh
Man, I missed the discussion
ivory garnet
Blackwatch skins canon, some talon skins canon, all “overwatch” skins (the blue and yellow ones), all or most archive skins, and some skins i can remember the name of but were in the comic “Masquerade”
Sombra jester skin
Shrike ana skin is canon
mercy witch skin is canon
antartica mei skin is canon
sandstorm cassidy is canon
i’ll get more if u want me to
rather tired tho
Genji’s “Nomad” skin may be canon, no confirmation yet tho
rare trail
the roadhog shark skin and junkrat scarecrow skin are canon right?
rare trail
traveling monk is canon
rare trail
griefhardt and balderich are kinda canon
ivory garnet
most likely a pdf or sumn
ivory garnet
yeah balderich is canon, didnt say it tho cuz it isnt Reinhardt’s armor
only canon skins Rein has is, OW2 skin, lieutenant Wilhelm, and crusader
but yeah, i’ll made a pdf tmr
or a doc
rare trail
i dont think dva has any canon skins
doom has talon and maybe formal like he has that suit
junker queen has none
ivory garnet
doom uses formal at the end of Storm Rising i think
rare trail
orisa has null sector(kinda) and or15(kinda)
rare trail
null sector only kinda counts
ivory garnet
sector tho
ivory garnet
yeah but we never saw her in that model
rare trail
i mean i think if balderich is canon then null sector for orisa is canon
rare trail
yeah that makes sense
ivory garnet
i’ll make a separate category about other canon stuff
like balderich and null sector
rare trail
rams got his monk skins
hog has mako and i think thats it
sharkbait isnt the same color scheme but yk maybe
ivory garnet
he uses mako
rare trail
sigma has talon asylum subject sigma and dr de kuiper
ivory garnet
he has the most canon skins i think
rare trail
winston has specimen 28 and thats it i think
maybe horizon but ehhh
ball has junker and thats it i think
ivory garnet
lunar too
rare trail
lunar and horizon dont make sense because he didnt have teh full ball yet so it wouldnt make sense for it to look like that
yk like when he was on teh colony he didnt have the whole ball
rare trail
so like sorta canon
rare trail
ashe has none i think
ivory garnet
forgot her uniform was white
she does
socialite
wist nvm
wait
nvm
thought thatw as younger ashe
yeah she has none
besides her ow1/2
rare trail
bastion has overgrown and omnic crisis
ivory garnet
i would say gwishin, but again, never saw it
rare trail
null sector is in that canon but not canon limbo place
rare trail
omnic crisis was him though right?
shadow marsh
Speaking of Gwishin
rare trail
cassidy has blackwatch and deadlock
shadow marsh
Since we found out that Ram hates Anubis, would he feel the same for the Gwishin faction?
rare trail
what is gwishin?
ivory garnet
omnic crisis was him though right?
well, its not, same place as Null Sector kinda
ivory garnet
what is gwishin?
the robots who attacked Korea
shadow marsh
All we know about it is it never stops attacking Korea
ivory garnet
in DVA cinematic
ivory garnet
cassidy has blackwatch and deadlock
and sandstorm
rare trail
well, its not, same place as Null Sector kinda
i thought when he was fighting thats what he looked like
shadow marsh
For now we have Null Sector, Gwishin and Nameless'
rare trail
i thought he got flashbacks in the last bastion
ivory garnet
For now we have Null Sector, Gwishin and Nameless'
for?
rare trail
yeah he did
nvm you're right omnic crisis is in limbo with null sector
echos got nothing
shadow marsh
Omnic terrorists
ivory garnet
oh, yeah
ivory garnet
Young Genji, blackwatch
ivory garnet
i’d only count young genji
rare trail
yeah
rare trail
junkrat has scarecrow
ivory garnet
its just a recolor
ivory garnet
i’ll do deep checks when i make it lol
rare trail
king jamison too i think
rare trail
i dont think pharah has any
rare trail
soldier 24 blackwatch
ivory garnet
he possibly has 3
rare trail
i dont know if any other are canon
ivory garnet
im depicting if masquerade is canon
cuz it looks so similar to the one in the comic
i think i’ll accept it
since Jester Sombra is the same and im counting hers
rare trail
sojourn has troop commander or captain chase
ivory garnet
yeah
rare trail
soldier has strike commander and i think thats all
ivory garnet
commander morrison, formal 76
rare trail
sombra only has jester
ivory garnet
yeah, never seen her use “talon”
rare trail
shrike is canon?
ivory garnet
yeah
rare trail
bap has none
besides for talon
but talon is maybe
brig has none
kiriko has none
rare trail
huh thats crazy
rare trail
lucio has none\
ivory garnet
mercy has medic and witch
ivory garnet
mhm, it was in “Recall”
it could be there just for a cameo, but this was out before witch skin was
rare trail
huh i didnt know that
ivory garnet
moira has blackwatch and scientist
rare trail
zen has none?
ivory garnet
bro was made after the abilities were made
and managed to have the most canon skins
pastel wharf
yo can i post stuff like tier ranking lists on this?
grand wedge
This is a serious discussion channel, so if you want to post a tier list, it’s for something lore related and serious
rare trail
yo can i post stuff like tier ranking lists on this?
sure if its like an in lore power ranking or something like that
but like an in game power ranking wouldnt be allowed
pastel wharf
exactly
lore power
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f12214a9df5027ea445ac This is my tier list for the Overwatch heroes and villains lore power ranking list and I hope you see what you think is true. If you have any queries or would like to see some changes within dm me priv and ill get to it as soon as possible.
gloomy warren
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f12214a9df5027ea445ac This is my tier l...
Ashe higher than Cassidy?
Are we including Bob?
rare trail
cassidy has beaten ashe before
gloomy warren
cassidy has beaten ashe before
^
pastel wharf
i will change cass the n
gloomy warren
Soldier is too high up aswell
pastel wharf
anything else?
pastel wharf
Soldier is too high up aswell
soldier aint god like
oh nvm
i put him at superhuman
anything else guys?
gloomy warren
Pharah shouldnt be at the lowest tier
She can literally spam rockets
It'd kill most
pastel wharf
Not lore wise she would have to head back to base to get more
rare trail
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f12214a9df5027ea445ac This is my tier l...
winston should be god like zenyatta shouldnt and doom shouldnt
rare trail
Doom is top tier with Winston so of winston is god like then doom is god like
winston is better than doom
orisa is too
pastel wharf
Not really
rare trail
winston has beaten doom
idle summit
winton solos god
mystic rivet
peak escarp
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f12214a9df5027ea445ac This is my tier l...
how is Doomfist "god-like"?
he's absolutely not on the same tier as Sigma and Symmetra
limpid agate
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f12214a9df5027ea445ac This is my tier l...
Winston and Orisa are top 4, not Doomfist or Zenyatta
Zenyatta is literally bottom tier of power
Hes borderline civilian
Also swap Soldier 76 with DVa. Tokki is a pretty powerful mech, Soldier 76 is a peak human
Pharah and Hammond are way too low. How are you putting Pharah in bottom 3 given the power of her suit and armaments?
You also forgot Mercy
Roadhog is too high compared to Junkerqueen
And why the hell is Hanzo so high, hes a normal (skilled) human that should be down with Ashe and Cassidy and Baptiste in the lower tiers
I scrolled up and saw your reason. She would run out of rockets. That... That applies to every hero that relies on ammunition.
Ana needs to make her own darts
Widow and Bastion have finite bullets
Junkrat is not an instant bomb factory
Hanzo has run out of ammo before
opaque scroll
And why the hell is Hanzo so high, hes a normal (skilled) human that should be d...
Hanzo is an exceptional bowman and used to be even better with the sword and has the power of spirit dragons, I think it's fair to rank him a fair bit above Ashe for example, no?
limpid agate
No.
Ashe is an exceptional marksman and is good with a variety of different firearms (and still is) and has the power of BOB.
The Spirit Dragons are also not shown to be very powerful
They are in line with the weakest elements of Symmetra
As they behave identically to her hard light orbs
snow granite
Is there any videos with like all the in-game pre-match hero interactions
Or anyone know like the best way to listen to them all?
I neither play this game enough nor pay close enough attention to hear the vast majority of them.
peak escarp
Is there any videos with like all the in-game pre-match hero interactions
Or any...
look for the channel Overwatch Interactions on YT
sharp trench
Granted Pharah probably has an extremely low count of rockets before needing to get out
otherwise shooting her even once would probably turn her into a fireworks display
ivory garnet
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/639f12214a9df5027ea445ac This is my tier l...
zen is the weakest in lore
Doom is weaker than Orisa and Winston
where ever Reaper is, you put him with Doom. Where ever Doom is, you put him with Reaper
Soldier is a tier or 2 weaker than Reaper
he beat Soldier quite easily until Ana intervened
Lucio also has no fighting power pretty sure
ivory garnet
Hanzo is an exceptional bowman and used to be even better with the sword and has...
he isnt on the same tier as Genji though…
peak escarp
he easily overpowered Hanzo when they fought in Dragons, once he actually started fighting and not just dodging
peak escarp
as he is the only one i believe
only one what?
ivory garnet
major cyborg
peak escarp
Sojourn
peak escarp
and most of her body
ivory garnet
okay
peak escarp
it's hard to say who is more machine
peak escarp
he does seem stronger when it comes to hand-to-hand
ivory garnet
deflected 3 of the titan class omnic blasts in the Zero Hour cinematic with ease
peak escarp
Sojourn is better with a gun though
ivory garnet
yeah
range vs close range
no doubt he could block her shots though
probably even her railgun
peak escarp
she's smart and experienced enough, she could probably get through his defenses
ivory garnet
maybe
guess it just comes down to Genji’s reaction time
also, i noticed something for Reaper
his agility is pretty good
in the Masquerade comic, he was flipping and everything
he also seems pretty good at phasing in and out with his wraith aswell
does it pretty often
ivory garnet
by playing the archive missions in OW1
now you have to wait and see if they possibly come back into shop
not likely though
limpid agate
Wait for it to appear in the Just For You section
Or hope it gets featured in shop
The store is managed horribly, so you cant reliably get it
past copper
Might depend. While we haven’t seen Zen actually fight
Ram is designed to fight and we’ve even read that he can fight right now
But looks like he’s greatly upgraded himself and weaponized his orb to actually be used in combat, unlike Zen with his own
Speaking of that, anyone else notice the red wire in his head? You think that’s connected to his staff and orb?
peak escarp
Ramattra is designed to lead troops in combat
not necessarily to be a strong combat unit himself
ivory garnet
Might depend. While we haven’t seen Zen actually fight
in the PvE sneak peek, we see Genji defending Zen as if he was escorting him to safety, I doubt Zen fights in lore and ever will fight in lore
he’s someone who doesnt like battle
past copper
not necessarily to be a strong combat unit himself
I mean, if a leader is going to lead, they need to be strong themselves
Ram very well could’ve been designed to be dangerous during the Crisis
But now he’s probably surpassed his units original capabilities
Which you gotta wonder. He joined the Shambali. What happened to the other units like him? Think they ended up like the Bastions in Germany?
peak escarp
the short story implied that most of them were killed
sharp trench
he's probably pretty strong tactically but in a 1v1 fistfight he would probably get beaten by Reinhardt or an OR14
Reaper would probably just win most fights tactically considering all it would take it a sneaky shotgun blast. But plot armor/bias exists so
past copper
Not sure about plot armor. To be fair, we don’t know much about Ram’s past during the crisis. Only that he was built to lead the omnic forces into battle
Honestly, if he survived up until now, it’s probably possible he didn’t see much combat or he was too tough for the enemy to kill. Who knows
rare trail
i think its weird how some heroes lore doesnt mesh with their playstyle
like zenyatta is the most dps support but hes very non combat in game
limpid agate
I mean, if a leader is going to lead, they need to be strong themselves
Not necessarily. Compare to Overwatch.
Soldier 76, Ana, and a weaker version of Gabriel Reyes were the leadership of Overwatch
An organization that housed Genji, Tracer, and most notably Winston
ivory garnet
I mean, if a leader is going to lead, they need to be strong themselves
most military leaders are not strong themselves