lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

German

[ivory garnet]

Mercy doesnt like Moira’s line of work

[sharp trench]

moreso her methodology

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[manic owl]

lmao

[dreamy epoch]

I feel like I'd give sigma one up on Hammond and hanzo

because talon as a whole may bring him into this eventually

[past copper]

So any thoughts on the Shambali Monastery?

It is supposed to be the one both Ramattra and Zenyatta trained under Mondatta

[peak escarp]

yeah

[past copper]

I know some say it’s just another version of Nepal, but I disagree

The map is bigger and has a lot more lore for heroes Zenyatta and Ramattra

[dreamy epoch]

escort means it'll be continuous so I'm gonna assume there's a lot packed there

[past copper]

A know a lot of people want more lore for Zen and hopefully we get a lot

Such as Zenyatta’s past before he became a monk

[peak escarp]

from the dev update

[past copper]

And maybe we can find out more about that bit of knowledge Ram dropped about almost getting him killed

Besides that, I think it will make for an interesting map. We know so little about the Shambali and location could speak a thousand words about them

[past copper]

So weird to see Zen dressed in civilian clothing

[vocal marsh]

Zen standing too

[merry mason]

It's probably another section of the temple

I wonder if the whole village was made for the shambali or if it was found and repurposed.

[opaque tundra]

Zen's got style that's for sure

[past copper]

It’s not. Shambali have monasteries in a few locations around Asia

This one just appears to be located somewhere else in Nepal if not Tibet

[merry mason]

where was this said

[past copper]

It should be obvious. There’s the one in Nepal. One in Stone by Stone. And clearly this one is another one too

How far apart they are is unclear, but I’d imagine the only places they’d be located are in countries within Asia

And think the India map we’ve seen before is a monastery too

[merry mason]

well why specifically in asia? i would imagine that omnics all over would be looking for enlightenment.

[past copper]

Yes, but do you think finding it is easy and simple and just a walk away from your house?

If omnics are willing to seek enlightenment, then they must be willing to travel far and wide to do so

[merry mason]

no, but what requires them to be built in asia? if they want it on a harsh mountain top far away from society there are plenty of such mountaintops in the Rockies or the Andies or the Caucuses

[peak escarp]

Shambali Monastery shares the same architecture as the Nepal maps, so they're likely close to each other

the temple mentioned in Stone by Stone is in India

[past copper]

Yes, which is a country in the content of Asia

[peak escarp]

yes

[past copper]

So it only makes sense these temples are more than likely only in Asia and honestly there’s a few reasons behind that

One of them being people’s distrust towards omnics

[merry mason]

having more than one temple in asia means they're all in Asia?

probably the first group of shambali started in asia and they built up from there, I don't see why they would nessesarily stick only to asia

[past copper]

Because if an omnic is willing to gain enlightenment, they must first be willing to travel to the temples

In doing so, they basically have to leave their old lives behind as apart of this

[merry mason]

again, if they wanted that they could build on any remote mountain, not just the Asian ones.

like why not north alaska? nobody lives there.

[past copper]

The Shambali are clearly a religious group based on beliefs similar to other Asian religions

[merry mason]

I belive that's why blizzard shows them to be based in asia, but I don't think their philosophy limits them to asia or anything like that.

[peak escarp]

the one in India is a marker for Aurora's pilgrimage

if her pilgrimage took her outside Asia, there would be temples there too

[past copper]

That’s true. Plus, these temples are established in spiritual places

Plus, just gonna throw this question out, just how many Asian shrines or temples do you see actually established in your home state/country alone?

[peak escarp]

a lot actually

my city has several Buddhist temples and a couple mosques

[past copper]

Ah. Well, that probably depends on where you live overall

That said, these Shambali Monasteries all appear to be located in some of the most spiritual of places in Asia rather then anywhere else

And all seem to have connections to specific heroes. Such as Nepal

On that map, you know Zenyatta and Genji were there for a time

In the Shambali Monastery, that’s where Ramattra and Zenyatta both trained until they went separate ways

And it’s possible the India map could potentially be the one Symmetra went to in Stone by Stone but that’s up to debate until it finally drops

[keen summit]

Nice to know zen and ram relationship but wow did we really need that to be in seoerate vid from his story?

[past copper]

It was a short story about how he formed Null Sector

Not what he did before that

[keen summit]

Very few, mosques plenty tho but no temples or shrines

[keen summit]

Nah in the dev updates

I read the story

Its just odd that they had 1 minute vid on something that couldve been added to his lore as easily cuz its 1 minute

[past copper]

Clearly they wanted to keep lore and gameplay separate

[keen summit]

There was a lore dev update

[past copper]

Well, maybe it was just apart of their plan for “frequent updates”

[keen summit]

Just seems like they had 4, went "shit 4 doesnt look nice"

[keen summit]

Thats funny

[dense nebula]

I didn’t watch the video, what’s the relationship between Ram and Zen? Is it like Lao Tzu and Confucius style relationship?

[peak escarp]

they considered each other brothers

and even though they haven spoken in 11 years, Ramattra believes that Zenyatta understands him better than anyone else

[lucid fjord]

winton

[eternal tapir]

I think it's cannon zenyata has more than 2 balls

[sullen raptor]

Then again, zen is just open minded in general

[lucid fjord]

Winton

[past copper]

So, I think we can list down what legendary skins Ramattra has

Shambali
Shaman (recolored ver of Shambali)
Poseidon
Possibly that red/gold skin

[peak escarp]

the red/gold one is an epic

[lucid fjord]

Winton

[limpid agate]

Stop spamming

[peak escarp]

the current record for most new items in a single season is Junker Queen with 11 items (not counting her base items)

[dense nebula]

Oh yeah Ram comes out in 3 days

Well

2 days now technically

[limpid agate]

Incidentally that's just items

[peak escarp]

the Shambali/Shaman skins are most likely base skins

[limpid agate]

Most skins is Sojourn

[past copper]

We’ll certainly see. Honestly just hyped to get this new hero

[acoustic marsh]

Quick question

Whats junkrat’s backstory?

[peak escarp]

He is a junker from the irradiated Australian outback who found an important secret deep within Junkertown (a former omnium), who got exiled from Junkertown for being a troublemaker

[lost prairie]

So the same as any Aussie known to man?

[shadow tree]

Ramattra is inspired by Malcolm X

[uncut ibex]

he isn't

[worthy rose]

i remember when malcolm x used a staff to beat a big german man to death with

[past copper]

Stop shitposting. You don’t have to go to another channel but you can’t stay here

[hallow stone]

facts

[iron plume]

Directly comparing fictional struggles to real ones is always an iffy proposition, but yes
If you do take omnics as a civil rights allegory he’d be the Malcolm X of that

[elfin cloud]

what is up with moira?

[rare trail]

shes a mad scientist who experiments on people for fun

like reaper is the way he is because she experimented on him

i think she experimented on herself and thats why she has her abilities

[dense nebula]

Her experimentations are less for fun and moreso for evolving humanity

She and Mercy have similar goals but have different approaches to it

Moira takes a much less ethical approach to the problem, using others and herself as Guinea pigs for her experiments

Where Mercy would rather take her time and wait for evolution in technology so as to not cause harm to anyone

[worthy rose]

hello i love overwatch it is my special interest so i will be reading everything in this channel

[regal lance]

Good luck, each message is like 1 paragraph.

[worthy rose]

i know i love it !!!!

[sick belfry]

Hey i have tried to find more but theres barley anything what the hell is up with sigma outside from the failed expriment

[limpid agate]

Sigma doesnt have a lot of lore

[worthy rose]

i jsut watched ramattra's origin story after watching one of the ones from 5 ish years ago and god damn they suck at giving origin stories now. literally his backstory is "i dont like omnics dying im gonna fight" compared to someoen like orisa whos backstory is "i was just a normal robot but a girl repaired me and built me into something strong and unique but i am still learning"

i really hope they recover from that with some good voice lines and cinematics for more lore because that was incredibly weak. it felt like there was no point in watching the video

[opaque tundra]

well did you learn enough about the character to understand them?

origin stories are meant to give you the general vibe of the character

[peak escarp]

origin stories do a good job of establishing a hero's motivation and goals

generally

[worthy rose]

yeah i guess it did that but it just felt so lacking

[peak escarp]

they seem as good as the old ones

to me

[dreamy epoch]

?

literally explained his backstory and motive
and what he became

[daring ruin]

Does ana hate mercy?

[peak escarp]

no, why would she?

[daring ruin]

Just because when she kills a mercy her line sounds quite cutting

[peak escarp]

a lot of lines are like that

[rare trail]

i dont think ramattras is weak

omnic hates the people who are killing omnics

[sharp trench]

rammatra seems pretty strong for what he is trying to do

i hope he's stronger than orisa

[worthy rose]

it just says that he doesnt like omnics dying so hes fighting back. i guess its a motive but hardly a backstory

[rare trail]

hes got more than that as a backstory

[worthy rose]

im going off the origin story video

[rare trail]

me too

he has more lore than hating humans

[worthy rose]

thats basically all it says

besides that he was a leader figure for the omnics

nothing rlly abt his upbringing or how he became one of the leaders or whatever

[rare trail]

uh no????

[timid minnow]

Read the lore drop

That explains more of his backstory

[rare trail]

he was made to become an omnic battle captain then achieved sentience then became a shambali monk then became null sector guy after seeing a tragedy

[worthy rose]

copy paste of zenyatta's backstory

[rare trail]

zenyatta isnt null sector

[worthy rose]

why dont you get a null sector of these nuts in your mouth

[rare trail]

zenyatta doesnt think omnics have to kill all humans to survive

zenyatta =/= ramattra

[worthy rose]

yeah im saying thats the only difference

[rare trail]

no theyre very different

zenyatta got sentient became a monk though shambali was too dogmatic and not really helping people and left

ramattra got sentient became a monk saw how humans were treating omnics decided they couldnt coexist became a major null sector leader teamed up with talon and is trying to start a war

major differences in philosophy and where they are now

he founded null sector actually

zen and ram were friends actually

ram introduced zen to shambali

ram and zen were buddies for many years

then ram founded null sector and zenyatta wasnt fond of that

[limpid agate]

Elaborate

Because the only thing they have in common was

They were part of the Shambali, and both left

[worthy rose]

the only difference is zenyatta is nice to humans and ramattra is mean to them

[limpid agate]

Not accurate.

Elaborate on how they're the same backstory

[worthy rose]

become monks

[rare trail]

"mean to them" weird way to spell wants to eradicate all humans

[worthy rose]

just a bit of banter 🇬🇧

[rare trail]

you see hammond and winston are boring bc winton came from lunar colony and hammond came from there too hammond is just copy paste winston

[dreamy epoch]

"you see Ana and soldier are boring bc Ana came from overwatch and soldier came from there too soldier is just copy paste Ana"

jokes aside

[rare trail]

reaper and soldier are boring bc both super soldier program

[dreamy epoch]

ram definitely will share his ideology in his voice lines

I'd be more surprised if his interactions were lackluster cause I really thought his short was bomb

[rare trail]

ram got a short?

[dreamy epoch]

err
origin

[rare trail]

ram lines will be really interesting

[foggy pier]

wtf is lore discussion

[rare trail]

discussion

of lore

[warm summit]

Alr so is orisa more powerful than doomfist lorewise? She has a voice interaction with soldier stating that she chased doom out of numbani.

[ornate vapor]

i dont think so

[limpid agate]

Yes

She did that in her novel

And that was before two sets of upgrades

[ornate vapor]

i mean, doomfist clapped Orisa

[limpid agate]

No he didnt

He destroyed the OR15s

That's 3 sets of upgrades before the Orisa we know

And 1 set before she beat him

[ornate vapor]

i remember her being pinned against the wall like art

[limpid agate]

Yeah that was before Orisa was "born"

[ornate vapor]

ohhhhhhh

[warm summit]

Dang

[ornate vapor]

damn so is she stronger

[warm summit]

Orisa is more powerful than i originally thought

[rare trail]

she beat doom twice so people think shes really powerful

i dont think shes as powerful as people think though

she was built to counter doom so ofc shes gonna be good against him but we havent seen her against anyone else

[warm summit]

Even with that, doom is still extremely powerful

Maybe it skews her strength by a bit since she was built for a niche

[wooden vale]

I think doom has more power and control

[warm summit]

I placed in every role but tank in comp

Just got to 7 wins

Nothing more

Just for the extra points

[limpid agate]

Sorry wrong channel

But yeah

Orisa is more powerful

Not just because she has won a bunch

But Doomfists power is, while high

Grossly overestimated

[atomic pier]

I wish we got to know a little bit more about Sigma. I find his origin story the saddest.

[keen summit]

There is a reason why we dont know much, unlike most he wasnt planned for the story. He was made cuz they liked a kit but it didnt fit the original character, mauga. So they made sigma based on the kit.

Most others are created with lore reasons aswell woth connections. I cant think of any hero who doesnt have a connection with another hero

[peak escarp]

D.Va wasnt connected to anyone until New Blood

[keen summit]

Oh right forgot bout dva

But tbh they needed a gamer girl

But what i was trying to say is that most characters first habe a story, one that fleshes out the greater world building or other heroes' backstories. Except sigma really

[keen summit]

Mab im happy that so far ram seems wel written

[rare trail]

i love ram

hes cool

[weak coral]

Hello there
I am asking from all of you help. I play overwatch for like 1,5-2 years now, and however I try, watch aiming guides or set my DPI lower, my aim is till sh*t. I am better with pharah because of the explosive damage i dont need to directly hit the enemy, but she can be easily shoot donw mostly by snipers. I dont’t like the existing tanks and i dont’t like the support role, i want to damage! Any tipps which hero or what thing should I try?
Thanks for your help!

[rare trail]

ask #overwatch or #overwatch-serious here is about the discussion of the lore in game sorry we cant help you

[weak coral]

Oh sorry

Really

[rare trail]

np its fine

[dense summit]

Lore wise could kiriko defeat d.va in a 1v1

[rare trail]

maybe

her teleportation is crazy but her kunai might not be able to do much

[dense summit]

it could possibly jam the shooters

[rare trail]

yeah maybe

i think kiriko might win given fox spirit is canon

[dense summit]

Also didn't they say ow won't have magic? 💀💀

Like in 2016

[rare trail]

they lied

dragons are canon

dragon spirits*

[dense summit]

A dragon and fox

What's next

[short jacinth]

seems legit

[dense summit]

A frog?

[short jacinth]

dog spirit

[dense summit]

An ant spirit?

[rare trail]

also test it out playing with black holes and them giving you brain damage gives you super powers

[dense summit]

And this melody that I don't know

[molten shore]

Lucios Dad can have that

[rare trail]

sigma

sigma always wins

[merry mason]

lucio was japanese the whole time

[molten shore]

Wouldn't be the first cool Japanese Brazilian guy

[merry mason]

all Japanese Brazilians are cool it comes with the territory

[molten shore]

Jet stream sam

[rare trail]

sigma

sigma is the most powerful character in overwatch

[rare trail]

did someone post something and immediately delete it?

[peak escarp]

@past copper you called it
https://youtu.be/Zw0crdY-Tmg

also Ramattra has some fun interactions

https://youtu.be/0RZX4Ei0fEo?list=UULFjYX6zk-dKnGwwLEIDxmVkA

I love his personality already

[rare trail]

based ramattra

do some people have ram?

whats that gameplay

devs ig

[peak escarp]

content creators had early access

[rare trail]

oh okay so like flats jay3 ml7 that gang

karq

[pure hatch]

the voicelines are out for rammatra

oh

its above

nvm mb

lol

i kinda feel bad for the dude

[rare trail]

the dude?

ramattra?

[pure hatch]

yeah

[rare trail]

why?

[pure hatch]

his whole species is abused

[rare trail]

yeah

hes pretty extreme though

guilty until proven innocent

for all humans

[pure hatch]

he is an extremist but i do feel theres a sense of deservence

i mean

not for the overwatch heros but like

for the people we saw in the soldier 76 animation

beating up the omnics

[rare trail]

yeah its okay to not like them

but exterminating humans is goofy

[pure hatch]

i mean

the humans exterminate omnics

[rare trail]

not all of them though

[pure hatch]

i know

[pure hatch]

thats what i said

[rare trail]

like attacking hog and junkrat is fine bc they kill omnics but like tracer winton feelfor omnics yk

[pure hatch]

im sure ramattra trusts them

i havent since his voicelines with winston yet

but she engages in conversations with zenyatta

and rammatra joins it

im sure they're relationship is fine like i said before

[rare trail]

whos the she?

[pure hatch]

tracer

[rare trail]

i thought zenyatta didnt like ram anymore

[pure hatch]

im pretty sure they're still friends

[rare trail]

i dont think zen would be friends with the friend of talon who wants to kill all the humans

[pure hatch]

i mean

i wouldnt say doom and rammatra are friends

more like

know each other

[rare trail]

he works with talon though

[pure hatch]

rammatra?

[rare trail]

yeah

hes null sector

[pure hatch]

you mean doom right

oh

i'll check his wiki page rq

[rare trail]

ramattra works with doom

[pure hatch]

cause i wasnt there during the event

[rare trail]

in retribution

the ending cutscene

ill send a link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KbDuCl0YEU

[pure hatch]

they arent not friends

i think its more of a rebuilding

with rammatra and zen

(He and Zenyatta ceased all contact. However, Ramattra remained fond of Zenyatta.)

wow very interesting

but did zenyatta know hes in talon?

[peak escarp]

Ramattra wasn't allied with Talon until long after he left

he left 11 years ago

[pure hatch]

so zen doesnt know correct?

[peak escarp]

he allied with Doomfist 6 years ago

[pure hatch]

i wonder if in the PvE there will be a mission where zen realizies if so

[peak escarp]

no I don't think Zen knows

[pure hatch]

would be interesting then'

[past copper]

I knew it. Bc what other kinda weather could it have been in Cali? A heat wave?

[tranquil rampart]

dunno if it’s important but ramattra has currently taken over the ow twitter account

[past copper]

It’s not. Bc it’s not lore and they do that with every new hero

[tranquil rampart]

oooh kk, ty

[rare trail]

i mean zen wouldnt like ram imo

[past copper]

They were literally brothers. If Zen is like any other kinda monk, I think he has to be accepting of everyone and help them if they seek help

[peak escarp]

not literal brothers

like brothers

omnics can't be literal brothers

[rare trail]

ram introduced zen to the order and they were friends then ram started null sector

zen presumably doesnt like null sector

[rare trail]

also zen isnt a monk

he left

[rare trail]

yeah they were brothers like how you call nuns sisters yk

[peak escarp]

they had a close relationship

like siblings

not just in the monastic sense

[rare trail]

yeah zen and ram were really close

ram says zen is the person who understands him teh most in the world

i doubt zen likes ram anymore though

[peak escarp]

Zen doesn't know what Rama has been up to

[rare trail]

well he knows why he left the order

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta also left the order

[rare trail]

but he didnt leave bc he wanted to kill all humans he left bc dogmatic and stuff

[peak escarp]

Ramattra didn't leave because he wanted to kill all humans

[rare trail]

he left to start null sector right

[peak escarp]

he left because he wanted a better existance for omnics

starting null sector came a year after he left, when he met Nameless

[rare trail]

but like doesnt zen know about null sector

[peak escarp]

we don't know if Zen knows

he's probably heard of them

and would disagree with their message

[pure hatch]

its worth noting rammatra didnt want to kill all humans from the start like a "bad guy"

hes not really a good guy either

but i wnat to point out hes not a "bad guy"

[rare trail]

he is though

hes a baddie

a bit goofy

[rare trail]

yeah he is

wanting to kill all humans(besides for the ones who help him in his plan to kill all humans)

is bad

[peak escarp]

he doesn't want to kill all humans

he wants to make a better world for omnics

[rare trail]

by killing humans

[peak escarp]

he keeps being met with violence from humans, so he responds in kind

he has no problem with humans who accept omnics

but he also doesn't trust humans

[rare trail]

but like a lot of innocent people are hurt by his attacks

[peak escarp]

that's the cost he's willing to pay

[rare trail]

hes just a bigot against humans

[peak escarp]

if humans were indiscriminately killing your people just because of who they are, you'd have a grudge against humans too

you could compare it to a lot of racial violence in our own world

[rare trail]

yeah and its not reasonable to hate all of a certain race because some of them are hurting your race

[peak escarp]

it's wrong, but it's understandable

[rare trail]

yeah but i think it makes you a bad person

so ram is bad

[solid sonnet]

i wonder what zen would think about ram now

[peak escarp]

Zen would think he is misguided

[pure hatch]

im saying ram isnt a "bad guy" cause his intentions arent bad

he wants his species to not be abused

[peak escarp]

his methods are what make him a bad guy

"cool motive, still murder"

[pure hatch]

im going to use a vigilante as an example

hes basically a vigilante on a much broader and wider scale

[peak escarp]

that makes him a terrorist

[pure hatch]

vigilantes are terrorists?

or do you mean on the broader scale like murderer

[peak escarp]

a single person breaking the law to enact their own justice is a vigilante

[rare trail]

he knows hes causing the deaths of innocent people and doesnt care

hes a bad person

[peak escarp]

a group breaking the law to enact their own justice are terrorists

[rare trail]

like in the overwatch 2 little introduction short that was null sector right?

[pure hatch]

i knew it was a crime but didnt know it was classified as terrorists, welp learn something new every day

[peak escarp]

I don't know what the legal definition is

that's just how I see it

[rare trail]

i consider them terrorists

[peak escarp]

yes

[pure hatch]

ah

[rare trail]

yeah i think that was a terrorist attack

[pure hatch]

now that i think about it (not gonna get too deep into politics) terrorist groups do it for justice, in most if not all cases its very deranged in their eyes but they see it as justice

so i see what your saying

[rare trail]

i would argue one person can be a terrorist though

like doomfist leveling a skyscraper would be a terrorist act

[keen summit]

bro ram has such good lines

[rare trail]

yeah

[keen summit]

his line to bastion!

[rare trail]

its a shame he isnt that good

i love his line to bastion

we stan anyone who loves bastion

[pure hatch]

the bird one?

[keen summit]

yeaah

[pure hatch]

im bias since im a hammond main but i like his conversation with hammond

[keen summit]

yeah

he has such good lines

[pure hatch]

i like anytime seeing hammond be sassy and not a complete dick

although he is funny

[opaque tundra]

||some content creators have posted footage of Ramattra interactions. Zen and Ram seem pretty chill with each other so far, but Ram really hates genji which was interesting. Can't wait for tomorrow||

[rare trail]

i wouldnt say hates

[merry mason]

I really like their interaction

[merry mason]

kills criminals to enact perceived justice on them = vigilante
kills innocents to spread fear in hopes it furthers their political cause= terrorist

[rare trail]

so ram is a terrorist

[merry mason]

yes very much so

textbook definition of one

[rotund ermine]

ram kills innocent humans yea

[ivory garnet]

Null Sector and Talon are both terrorist organizations so yeah

[merry mason]

what other antagonist do you think there will be?

antagonist factions and the like

[wooden vale]

Prob like a relative of a human hero?

[merry mason]

elaborate please

[wooden vale]

Like someone that is known with a hero in overwatch it’s very simple

That is human

Like ex:a brother of road hog

[merry mason]

or the brother of genji!

[rare trail]

that would be a sick hero

or another shimada

maybe with a fox spirit

[merry mason]

hmm no not a shimada thats over played. Maybe if they trained together or something

[ivory garnet]

doubt they’ll add anymore junkers or shimada clan and friends

[ivory garnet]

most likely no other since Null Sector and Talon are the 2 big organizations

[rare trail]

another overwatch could be cool

or another talon

ex blackwatch

[ivory garnet]

most likely will be wnother talon

[ivory garnet]

there was only 4 blackwatch members, all who are already in the game

[rare trail]

they could add another one

[ivory garnet]

ruins the story

[rare trail]

?

why

[ivory garnet]

we know there has only been 4 members

[rare trail]

5 blackwatch members doesnt ruin anything

a retcon for the sake of another blackwatch isnt gonna ruin anything

[ivory garnet]

it does, its irrelevant to the story having we’ve been told and shown that there was only 4 members

[rare trail]

they can add another one there being 4 blackwatch people isnt super important

[ivory garnet]

Sombra, someone who has data on EVERYONE only shows 4 blackwatch members

[rare trail]

so they can retcon stuff

[ivory garnet]

that retconning would ruin the whole basis of blackwatch

[rare trail]

its not liek theyve never done it before

the idea of blackwatch being so shady and secretive even sombra couldnt find them would make sense

[ivory garnet]

blackwatch was built for Overwatch’s downfall (story wise) and to show Reyes’s personality

no not really, she knows who was all in blackwatch before it was revealed to the public

[rare trail]

idk sombra isnmt like perfect

[merry mason]

no there's way more they have a whole facility in rome, in one of the comics one of the talon goons recognizes mcree because they were both in blackwatch

[ivory garnet]

yeah they have operatives

they dont have people likes reyes etc

[merry mason]

not sure what you mean?

like what's makes the faceless guys not count

[ivory garnet]

because then they wouldve most likely been on sombra’s chart

and they would have relevance to the story

blackwatch was made solely to put Reyes on blast and for the downfall of overwatch

[merry mason]

sombras chart? you mean from the origin?

[zealous zephyr]

Maybe another omnic

Idk

Someone to represent nul sector

Bc we dont have much for them

[charred inlet]

im cool

[worthy rose]

Hmm

[blissful vector]

wait i forgot how the talon blackwatch stuff works

was blackwatch first then talon? why was talon made?

[peak escarp]

Blackwatch was the black ops division of Overwatch

no connection to Talon

after Overwatch was disbanded, some former Blackwatch members joined Talon

[twin glade]

I think Ramattra and orisa will be besties

[ivory garnet]

Ramattra?

[zealous zephyr]

Tru but maybe a second one

[ivory garnet]

why would there be a second one

we can probably get one of Ramattra’s underlings

that were shown

but thats abt it

[merry mason]

the nameless object is described as using "shadows" multiple times, it sounds like they already thought of abilities for him.

[ivory garnet]

possible

would just sound like reaper tho

[merry mason]

they don't seem to function like reaper

it's mentioned that he able to kill with it (i think)

||also when he leaves rammatra he says he'll go with his shadows like they keep him company somehow.||

[rare trail]

i dont think so

orisa is pretty pro human

[merry mason]

in the interactions he doesn't seem to mind orisa at all.

[rare trail]

orisa would probably mind him though

just bc ram doesnt hate orisa doesnt mean she doesnt hate him

[merry mason]

tru

[twin glade]

Orisa doesn’t have hate for anyone tho tbh

Probs only doom

[rare trail]

i mean orisa will fight you if you attack numbani

and presumably waging war on the entire world includes numbani

[merry mason]

orisa seems to have broadened her capacity for hatred in OW2

[twin glade]

I feel like orisa can beat Ramattra lore wise

She’s built for doom but doom and Ramattra are pretty similar

[rare trail]

idk

i dont think so

[foggy hull]

not rlly

[twin glade]

orisa ftw she’s got this

[rare trail]

i think doom and ram are pretty different

[twin glade]

can orisa beat rein

[rare trail]

def

100%

[twin glade]

thought so

[rare trail]

orisa stronk

[merry mason]

I mean she beat doom and i'd assume him and ram are the same level but i chalk that win up to poor powerscaling on the writer's part

[rare trail]

i dont think same level means she can beat both

she is built to beat doom

[twin glade]

but not rlly since she was designed to fold doom

[merry mason]

he beat four proto-orisas (with help though)

[twin glade]

He would have died if it wasn’t for the leader guy

[rare trail]

those robots are not nearly as good as reg orisa

[merry mason]

no in uprising

[rare trail]

yeah ik what you mean

thats worse than orisa

efi made those better

[merry mason]

but like four plus the bastions in the back plus the grunts have to add up to one orisa

[twin glade]

when efi in game!!! She gets +50% healing to all omnics

[shadow marsh]

I always wonder that her new upgrades still makes her versatile against opponents other than Doom even if Orisa was created to fight him

Adaptable's the word I think

[twin glade]

Ramattra doesn’t have any mobility so if orisa manages to land a spear it’s basically over

• she won’t be affected by the force punches if she fortifies

[merry mason]

i dont think the punches stun

[shadow marsh]

If Ramattra's nemesis form is canon in lore he could fold 50% of the characters in the roster

[merry mason]

I don't think thye'll have non-canon abilities anymore

like if zen's abilities are non-canon, then what will he be doing in story mode? just hanging out?

[peak escarp]

he can have non-canon abilities and still use them in the PvE

Torbjorn doesn't literally shoot molten lava from his arm, but he can still do that in Uprising

[heady osprey]

reaper can die ?

[peak escarp]

probably

but it would be very difficult

[shadow marsh]

Technically he's both dying and regenerating

[heady osprey]

Reaper would be among the 10 most powerful, right?

[peak escarp]

yes

[heady osprey]

so, he is inmortal ?

[merry mason]

i mean story wise they will fight people, of course, actual gameplay will be an abstraction but if zen is in a story mission but he has nothing to do you would wonder why he was ever there at all.

[peak escarp]

why would Zen have nothing to do?

[shadow marsh]

Zen can still kick ass aside from throwing orbs though

[merry mason]

well he is usually who people bring up as having no canon abilities

[peak escarp]

he can still heal

he can still fight

his abilities not being canon don't impact his ability to be a playable character in a PvE mission

[merry mason]

it leads to some confusion and some unnecessary dissonance between story and gameplay which is why I think they will try to make less non canon abilities going forward

[cunning ledge]

it's honestly not worth the effort to try and do that

gameplay will always take precedent

[merry mason]

it's not like they need a real explanation for how the abilities work in overwatch. they can make a character do whatever and just say "oh technology is that advanced in the future"

or just make it basically magic like with kiriko

[peak escarp]

so you think Ramattra can actually transform into nemesis form?

[shadow marsh]

Perhaps at some point in the future the abilities will be canon

Just saying'

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta's orbs are canon, they just don't work like they do in the game

same with a bunch of abilities

"orb of [___]" is a meditation tool, not a weapon

[merry mason]

yes I think it is because they have the actual story in mind more than they did at launch (of OW1) , they will make characters, rammattra included , with the story in mind

and besides, compared to other tech in ow, what is so unbelievable about suddenly forming new limbs?

[peak escarp]

the law of conservation of mass

you can't make something out of nothing

unless they're hard light, I guess

[merry mason]

nanites already power his staff and ultimate, maybe a cloud of invisible nanites form his big arms when needed

or maybe they are in the staff and that's what happens to it.

[ivory garnet]

no

[leaden shoal]

Light is made of photons. Photons are everywhere.

[past copper]

In his Nemesis form, you can see triangular sections in his limbs

Clearly his nanites form his body in this form

Possibly using hardlight, which is probably also how he forms his barrier

Ask for the other thing, idk. He’s working with Talon now

So maybe they used Sigma’s research to upgrade his nanites to create that? Idk

[leaden shoal]

You could just sum it up to monk powers.

I think.

[past copper]

You can literally see him throw out his nanites for everything and nanites are not magic

[dense nebula]

Is it just me or do I hear a slight German accent in Ram’s voice lines?

[peak escarp]

you're probably imagining it

his VA is from Singapore

[dense nebula]

Coulda fooled me

I’m just sad he never yells “BEAR WITNESS”

[raw quail]

Lore-discussion

[true notch]

Ye

[keen summit]

its just a foreign accent

[keen summit]

tbf its one of those fantasy voices

[waxen forge]

[rare trail]

fire short ngl

[lavish gulch]

Would pharah make for a good parent? Or Aunt?

[foggy hull]

why does zen not have a orign story

[peak escarp]

because most of the OW1 launch heroes didn't get origin stories

only Tracer, Soldier and the Junkers did

[red pilot]

Pharah has mommy issues. it could go either way.

[rare trail]

i thought ana and bap got one

[peak escarp]

Ana and Bap aren't launch heroes

[rare trail]

zen is a launch hero?

[peak escarp]

yes

[rare trail]

huh i didnt know that

[peak escarp]

he is one of the original 21 heroes that came with OW1

[rare trail]

the maps are kinda canon right

like junkertown roadhog and junkrat tried to push that payload but they didnt get that far

[peak escarp]

they're canon in that they exist in the OW universe

[rare trail]

so like if there was a pve mission where you played as rein with a partner playing as his general against omnics on eichenwalde that would be canon?

basically playable honor and glory

[rare trail]

she does? ana seemed like a good mom from the origin story

[merry mason]

she loves pharah but she was always busy working for overwatch

never had time for her kid

[red pilot]

listen to their dialogue when you have them both in a lobby, you can hear them bickering. she also doesn’t really know her dad

yes and ana told Pharah she couldn’t join overwatch

[peak escarp]

Ana faked her death for 6 years and didn't tell Pharah that she was alive

[red pilot]

so she went to join the egyptian army instead

[peak escarp]

that's not good parenting

[red pilot]

yes that too!! i was abt to bring that up.

[merry mason]

why and how did she fake her death anyway? i never understood

[rare trail]

when did she fake her death?

after she got shot by widow

?

[merry mason]

when widow shot her

but she was shown in a normal hospital i think

[peak escarp]

she lost a sniper duel with Widowmaker, got amnesia and went into hiding when she recovered her memory

[rare trail]

yeah it makes sense to fake your death so people dont come for your kids or for you

shes a better shot than widow though

shes just not heartless

(ik widow has emotions and stuff)

[merry mason]

idk if shes a better shot

[rare trail]

in the origin story it says she lost the fight because she hesitated

[peak escarp]

Widow's shot hit Ana's scope and the shrapnel hit Ana's cybernetic eye

[rare trail]

why'd she have a cybernetic eye at that point?

[merry mason]

but in the comic she says the first shot might have been the toughest she ever made then widow does it after she was shot in the face herself

[peak escarp]

to make her a better sniper

don't need a scope if your eye can zoom

[rare trail]

but she did have a scope?

[peak escarp]

yes

[merry mason]

double scope

[storm wind]

Why does everyone keep asking if rammatra is “good or bad”

Isn’t there no good or bad in the ow universe? It’s just kinda.. you are?

[rare trail]

well theres like morality

[rare trail]

most people would consider overwatch good blackwatch grey and talon bad

[storm wind]

I guess that’s fair but doesn’t talon have their own motives for world peace?

It’s just the way they handle it that’s bad

[peak escarp]

there's as much good or bad as there is in real life

[rare trail]

their motives are for "making humans stronger" by starting a war which would kill the weak ones

[rare trail]

i disagree

[storm wind]

That sounds about right lmao

[peak escarp]

Talon doesn't want world peace, they want to push progress through conflict

literally the opposite of world peace

[storm wind]

Yeah my bad I meant something else but said it wrong

Either way, everyone has their own opinions of good or bad (in the ow story) so there’s no real “good” or “bad”

I mean rammatra just wants all his people to stop being slaughtered right? That’s good but the means he chose isn’t good

[rare trail]

well talon is definitely framed as the bad guys and overwatch is framed as the good guys

like ram i would definitely say is a "bad guy" given hes working with talon and is willing to kill many innocent people

[worthy rose]

how does brig's inspire work? is there an explanation how does it heal allies on hit?

[peak escarp]

just like in real life

[rare trail]

i dont think its canon

[worthy rose]

oh

[storm wind]

Isnt inspire.. exactyl what it is?

[worthy rose]

what about mercy staff?

[storm wind]

It inspires you and somehow heals you Lmao

[worthy rose]

true, i can see it

[peak escarp]

it's more of a morale boost than actual healing

[worthy rose]

yeah sounds like it

will to live

will to fight

[rare trail]

well like good stories have the villians have motivation but theyre still villians

[worthy rose]

kinda inspiring tbh

[rare trail]

like talon is definitely the bad guys but they have motivation

like overwatch is the good guys

[storm wind]

That’s what I told my friend cause that’s pretty much what it seems like

[storm wind]

Shit even this is just like real life lol

[rare trail]

like its hard to argue doomfist is a good guy yk

but winston definitely is a good guy

same with tracer

like talon has a motivation but they arent good guys

[storm wind]

Winton

[rare trail]

overwat

[frosty gale]

solder

[umbral bramble]

Overwank

[elfin cloud]

what is moira's story?

[rare trail]

shes a scientist who experiments on people to better humanity

she created reapre

[grand wedge]

We finally hjave updated biographies, and Biographies for the last 4 heroes!

[grand wedge]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes/moira/#geneticist

[ivory garnet]

no its not canon, she’s just a field medic

[worthy rose]

oh cool

[opaque tundra]

Told ya it was temporary

[opaque tundra]

so i read a few bios. they're much better and detailed than the old ones

[grand wedge]

Of course it was, but it was concerning still

Yeah, they are good$

And they already did 1 retcon : the age Kiriko was when Sojiro was assassinated

in the YT short, they told us she was 7

and in her bio, it's said she was 12

[opaque tundra]

guess they realized their mistake lol

[grand wedge]

I mean... i did a whole reddit post pointing it out so.. xD

I sure hope they noticed it and realised their mistake

[peak escarp]

Bastion's location is updated to Gothenburg, Sweden

😊

[opaque tundra]

adorable

[peak escarp]

Bastion's bio still uses "he" though

[opaque tundra]

ages are also pretty much gone

im gonna point out a few things from the bios i read if anyone doesnt have time to read them all

zen met ramattra during a protest

[rare trail]

do you not like that?

[opaque tundra]

zen only left the shambali after teaching genji. his bio also goes on a little more detail on how he helped him

[peak escarp]

Bastion's official pronouns were it/its until the OW2 rewrite

[rare trail]

was genji being ok with himself post or pre blackwatch

[rare trail]

huh thats weird how it wsa changed

i think everyone used he/him for bastion though

[opaque tundra]

genji found peace after leaving overwatch

sojourn had an auto-immune disease and their doctor is specifically named, which means they'll probably pop up later

[rare trail]

so timeline is
genji and hanzo fight
genji is repaired by mercy
genji joins blackwatch
genji joins overwatch
overwatch gets disbanded
genji finds peace with zen
genji joins overwatch when it comes back?

[opaque tundra]

there's also a named anti-omnic hate group. makes sense now why null sector is attacking there

[opaque tundra]

pretty much

[peak escarp]

correct

[rare trail]

why does genjis armor change between blackwatch and overwatch?

[opaque tundra]

upgrade i guess

[peak escarp]

because he was incomplete in Blackwatch

the white/silver is his finished body

[rare trail]

so he was in blackwatch but also did overwatch missions?

like with tracer and winston and stuff

[opaque tundra]

he went into normal overwatch after blackwatch got exposed

[rare trail]

wasnt normal overwatch disbanded when blackwatch was exposed?

[peak escarp]

yes

[rare trail]

so then how did he join overwatch after blackwatch got exposed

wasnt overwatch gone

[opaque tundra]

id advise to just read genji's bio

anyway continuing on with the new little facts

junker queen was a member of the ALF, which is probably why shes chill with roadhog

[peak escarp]

her parents were members of the ALF

not her

[rare trail]

i thought she hated roadhog and junkrat

[opaque tundra]

OH sorry yeah

so apparently orisa and efi did meet with sojourn off screen and orisa's rework is canonically an upgrade

[rare trail]

wasnt junker queen the guy junkrat and roadhog went after in their short

[opaque tundra]

yee

the new overwatch heroes also have watchpoint gibraltar as their current base

doomfist's base is now rome italy

for some reason lucio doesnt have the watchpoint gibraltar base label

mei also doesnt have it

[peak escarp]

Rome is where Talon's HQ is

[opaque tundra]

sombra's real name is no longer redacted

[rare trail]

is lucio in overwatch?

i dont think he is

[opaque tundra]

well he will be the pve campaign

not really new information, but moira helped with widowmaker's conditioning

[opaque scroll]

Moira made Widow

[opaque tundra]

tracer, genji, and winston all trained together apparently

[opaque scroll]

as in the whole personality etc. of her, she was a regular person before

[opaque scroll]

No. We do know he will join the Overwatch team on a Mission in PVE though

[ivory garnet]

Widow was Widow before Moira got involved

Moira was in blackwatch at the time

[analog niche]

That doesn’t sound right, since Guillard was alive at the time of the Rialto mission, where Moira is playable

Emile became widowmaker after being abducted, brainwashed, and having gone back to kill her husband

[peak escarp]

Moira didn't create Widowmaker, but she does manage her condition

[old cave]

Why did so many overwatch characters lose an eye?

[peak escarp]

only three

[rare trail]

not that many do

like genji ana and

i cant think of anyone else

[peak escarp]

Ana, Torbjorn, Reinhardt

Genji didn't lose an eye

[rare trail]

genji didnt lose one?

huh i didnt know that

[analog niche]

More like why did so many lose an arm

At least we are finally past the left nipple epidemic

[ivory garnet]

only 3 right? alot are just built off of

im not on ow to look at characters rn so idk

[peak escarp]

only two Overwatch members are missing an arm

[rare trail]

doom genji i think

[peak escarp]

Cassidy and Torbjorn

[rare trail]

torb

doom did i thought

[peak escarp]

I guess you can count Genji, but he is missing a lot more

[clear kestrel]

doomfist still has both his arms

one's just in the gauntlet

[peak escarp]

Doom is missing an arm, but he's not an Overwatch member

if you're counting all the heroes, Junkrat and Symmetra are also missing an arm

[rare trail]

i didnt think he had any

i thought he lost one in the omnic crisis

[peak escarp]

he did

Ogundimu’s stellar professional fighting career was cut short with the loss of his right arm during the Omnic Crisis.

[rare trail]

so why did his arm look real when breaking out of prison?

[peak escarp]

high quality cybernetics

[rare trail]

how much did genji lose?

one arm did he lose his legs too?

[rare trail]

so legs eyes spine arm?

[peak escarp]

pretty much

this is just our best guess

[rare trail]

and he probably has life support systems in his chest given we always see him with something there

[ivory garnet]

honestly sad how bad Hanzo destroyed his brother

[rare trail]

genji won their second fight though imo

like they definitely couldve destroyed his brother if he didnt stop in dragons

[ivory garnet]

someone who is clearminded and has cybernetics on his body vs a troubled and clouded samurai, Genji would win 10 times out of 10

[peak escarp]

Genji was holding back

Genji was testing him

[ivory garnet]

yeah

I hope Hanzo could forgive himself for the past and not be clouded, idk if we’ll see that though

[analog niche]

I can never forgive Hanzo players

For real though, he seems way more guilt ridden in OW2

[rare trail]

whys he so guilt ridden?

[peak escarp]

because he (almost) killed his brother

[rare trail]

thats all?

[analog niche]

He thought he did though

That would be enough

[peak escarp]

did what

[analog niche]

Killed his brother

[peak escarp]

Genji didn't die

[analog niche]

But he almost did

[peak escarp]

Hanzo thought he killed him

[analog niche]

And Hanzo thought he did

[ivory garnet]

that would leave heavy guilt on someone, he went years thinking he killed his brother. Just to find out he is alive. He cant forgive himself for what he did to Genji

[analog niche]

Is part of his guilt also about his responsibility to the clan and how it ended up with him killing his brother, causing him to maybe be disillusioned by his upbringing perhaps?

[ivory garnet]

yeah because he is a “loyal” samurai

so he will obey the clan, no matter if he has to kill someone he loves

[peak escarp]

he put duty over family

[merry mason]

what group?

[peak escarp]

Vivian received numerous commendations for heroism and leadership, but after the war, she still felt her mission wasn’t over. She requested a transfer to a counterterrorism unit within the Canadian Special Forces, where she helped with the takedown of Ontario United, an anti-omnic hate group.

[merry mason]

thank you

[dreamy epoch]

they really throwing shade to this place huh

[peak escarp]

?

[shadow marsh]

Christ didn't realize how gruesome Hanzo did to Genji

[peak escarp]

we don't know how much of that was done by Hanzo and how much of it was removed to make way for cybernetic augmentations

[shadow marsh]

Either way the thought of having only one limb left at the brink of death is dreadful

Or atleast one functional limb

[rare trail]

So hanzo likely destroyed genjis arm legs hurt his chest and spin and likely fucked up his eyes right?

[peak escarp]

probably not

like I said, some of that was cybernetic augmentation

all we know is that the fight with Hanzo left Genji unable to walk

[rare trail]

Yeah he might have legs just they need a lot of help

[shadow marsh]

It's a possibility that Overwatch had to amputate his 3 limbs to save his life

[grand wedge]

It’s possible that if the spine is broken, it’s easier to change the limbs attached to cybernetics to let you walk again (Talking about Genji)

[peak escarp]

Sojourn had an autoimmune disease that led to her having her legs replaced with cybernetics

so limbs can be replaced for many reasons

[grand wedge]

Sojourn spoiler || Bonny drowned but they gave her cybernetics legs. That’s probably because her brain couldn’t make her leg work again, so having a brain implant + cybernetics in order for her to walk again||
Pretty sure that’s what Genji went through : he wanted to walk again.

[worthy rose]

Guys i think genji is hanzos brother

[keen summit]

really?!

[worthy elm]

Nah bro genji is definitely hanzo’s dad

[worthy rose]

is soldier actually canonically gay?

[keen summit]

yep

[worthy rose]

time to main him

[keen summit]

go for it

he and tracer are confirmed gay

soldier in the ana story

[worthy rose]

how did they reveal

was he cuddling with a guy during a war or something

[keen summit]

he had to leave behind vincent i think his name was because of his responsibility to overwatch

and he was talking to ana bout the good ol days

[worthy rose]

extremely weird they chose him to be the gay icon

at first glance, you would assume he's racist and homophobic

so kinda cool they went with this

[keen summit]

overwatch bastet is where it was in

its a bought book tho

[worthy rose]

interesting

i would much rather read a fanfiction of the both of them in wattpad or something

[keen summit]

“Vincent… I haven’t thought about him in years,” Ana said. “Still keeping a candle lit for him?”
Jack shook his head. “Nothing like that.”
“You’ve never looked in on him? You must have been curious. All the surveillance power in the world. I bet Gabe would have put a Blackwatch agent on him if you asked,” Ana said.
Jack glared at her.
“Okay, touchy subject.”
Jack laughed. “He got married. They’re very happy. I’m happy for him.”

...

“Vincent deserved a happier life than the one I could give him.” Jack sighed. “We both knew that I could never put anything above my duty. Everything I fought for was to protect people like him… That’s the sacrifice I made.”
“Relationships don’t work out so well for us, do they?” Ana said, unconsciously running her thumb over where her wedding ring used to be.

[worthy rose]

wait so vincent was also part of OW

[keen summit]

nope most likely not

[worthy rose]

also soldiers real name is jack

[keen summit]

he was a random person

[keen summit]

yeah

jack morrison

[keen summit]

he was just a regular citizen

[worthy rose]

honestly pretty cute

[worthy rose]

At the end of the day, does it rlly matter?

[keen summit]

honestly no cuz imho who cares

most heroes we dont know what they like

[worthy rose]

actually it was because he looked pretty old with his mask on

im looking at his face right now

he do look queer

fucking bottom

[keen summit]

placebo effect

[worthy rose]

no he does

[keen summit]

does widow look queer to you?

[worthy rose]

you cant ever tell if a woman is a queer or not

tomboys exist

[worthy rose]

I do not have a problem with gay people or any race etc, but its a video game cmon

[keen summit]

so why would you be able to with a man? and widow isnt queer i was testing you

[keen summit]

i know but i hate people tryna go "yeah he looks queer"

[worthy rose]

soldier look like a twink if he were younger

[worthy rose]

That shit just weird asf

[keen summit]

...

thats kinda stereotypical ngl

[worthy rose]

my gay radar is fairly accurate

but i digress

once more lore question

is pharah ana's daughter

[iron plume]

Yes

[worthy rose]

oh the irony since ana is one of pharas worst counters

now i will feel extra psycho for sleep darting a pharah during her ult

[worthy rose]

Man

[iron plume]

She does have a voice line in response to that too

[worthy rose]

ive probably heard it

something like "you shouldnt have joined overwatch" or something

Do u think brig will get a bigger shield like rein?

[iron plume]

No, that's not really her lore

[worthy rose]

I dont understand the lore

[iron plume]

She's fine with Pharah joining overwatch now

She gave Cassidy Pharah's location in New Blood

[worthy rose]

Is the new tank a talon?

[keen summit]

kinda? they collaborate

[iron plume]

No

Null Sector is its own thing

[keen summit]

they just work together

[iron plume]

They do work with Talon but he's not in Talon

[worthy rose]

He seems very evil and not friendly

[keen summit]

yeah he collaborates with talon

[iron plume]

well he does want to start a world war

[worthy rose]

Man this is turning into fortnite

[worthy rose]

damn the detail

[keen summit]

funnily enough both of the leaders fight for their people, doomfist for humanity to evolve, ram to give omnics a peacefull place and equality

[keen summit]

... how?

[iron plume]

well, not so much equality as supremacy

[worthy rose]

Evil guy wants to start war etc

But its just a compete game

[iron plume]

Not to be that guy but like
read a book

any book

[worthy rose]

I read finacial books

[keen summit]

... he has a motive? we've known for years bout df wanting it

[iron plume]

anything but that then

also yes this isn't new in OW

[keen summit]

ever since doomfist was introduced years back we knew

[worthy rose]

Could be cool with a live event IN the game

[iron plume]

We're getting a campaign
eventually

[keen summit]

because his ideals are quite simple and grounded in realism, through conflict evolution comes. so the extreme way of taking that is creating a war where the strong ones rise up against say what brought them close to complete extinction of humanity? their own creations?

[worthy rose]

Live event so everyone join a map and watch a big fight and watch a map gets destroyed because of the battle and gets a "remake"

Could be mad nice

[keen summit]

do you not realize how hard that would be to make

[iron plume]

That's not really an overwatch thing

[keen summit]

to actually make it work well too

siege does stuff like that on smaller scale

[iron plume]

it's not even about being hard, it's more like
what do you even mean by "everyone joins a map"

[keen summit]

but there you dont have huge punches

[keen summit]

guessing battle royale type

[iron plume]

Overwatch is built around, at most, 12 players

[worthy rose]

In the play menu there is unranked etc then u can select "event" and there is a timer for when it starts

[keen summit]

.....

[worthy rose]

Yes 10 players per lobby

[keen summit]

thats not overwatch

[worthy rose]

How couldnt that be cool

[iron plume]

That's just seasonal events then

there's no reason for it to be on a timer for 10 people

[keen summit]

thats not overwatch, could be cool for a whole new game like siege x overwatch

[iron plume]

and again we are getting that story in the form of a campaign

probably with some scripted destruction sequences too

[worthy rose]

We need smth big, in this event nothing interesting happend. Just a trailer and a new dude

They just made it like he was always there

[keen summit]

... this isnt an event

[iron plume]

^

[keen summit]

this is a new season

[worthy rose]

Biggest thing that happend yet in this game besides new overwatch 2

[keen summit]

hes the main enemy of pve

[keen summit]

this is normal from now on tho?

every 9 weeks new season

[worthy rose]

Its just uninteresting

[iron plume]

There are also events which are a separate thing

[worthy rose]

They could make it sm better

[iron plume]

Like Halloween during season 1

Regardless this has moved far away from lore

[keen summit]

honestly im curious as to how

[iron plume]

Making up the completely different game that you'd rather play is cool and all but this isn't the place

Ahem.

Get the hint.
You were told this is off topic in this channel

[worthy rose]

Event is lore

[iron plume]

Actual events are lore, and even then not all of those
Ones you make up aren't

[worthy rose]

We speak about what could be cool and what couldnt about the lore

Idk where u going with that

[iron plume]

You weren't talking about the lore, you were talking about the gameplay

[keen summit]

lore gameplay has already existed though

archives

and pve is coming next year which is about the story

[iron plume]

The in-game lore we're actually getting will be a campaign

[worthy rose]

Man