she probably also told them about Jack and Ana being alive
#lore-discussion
rare trail
but does he know now?
uneven isle
she probably also told them about Jack and Ana being alive
that would hurt probably. hearing it from someone else and not them personally
peak escarp
but does he know now?
most likely yes
peak escarp
we haven't see her tell him, but Mercy knows and would probably tell him
when she returns to Overwatch
chilly wind
Why Overwatch 2 is actually PVZ Garden Warfare 2
————————————————
Mercy = sunflower
Tracer = peashooter
Soldier 76 = foot soldier
DVA + Reaper = Zombie imp
Doomfist = Super Brainz
Moira = The Scientist
Zarya = All-Star
uneven isle
So like, the interactions between ana and reinhardt arent canon?
when he talks about her being alive
uneven isle
ah
icy inlet
Is Junker Queen gay? I’m curious
limpid agate
There is nothing to suggest her sexuality
peak escarp
we don't know her sexuality
rare trail
when she returns to Overwatch
yeah given the overwatch 2 cinematic has mercy with winston presumably she'd tell him
rare trail
Why Overwatch 2 is actually PVZ Garden Warfare 2
————————————————
Mercy = sunflo...
tracer as peashooter?
i get cassidy but tracer?
rein is more all star
worthy rose
Who would win in a fight? Hammond (no mech) or blodlusted primal rage Winston
ivory garnet
In game interactions aren’t usually canon
most of them are :v
ivory garnet
Who would win in a fight? Hammond (no mech) or blodlusted primal rage Winston
prolly ball
rare trail
most of them are :v
but your evidence for something being canon cant be it was an ingame interaction
ivory garnet
only part of overwatch that isnt canon is most of the skins and PvP
most voicelines are canon
limpid agate
The voicelines suggest canon
They themselves are not actually conversations that are canonically held
worthy rose
prolly ball
nah
limpid agate
But they represent canon through what they say about the character's past, beliefs, and identity
worthy rose
Sit on him
limpid agate
Who would win in a fight? Hammond (no mech) or blodlusted primal rage Winston
Also, Winston. No contest.
Winston is arguably the strongest hero in the Overwatch universe.
worthy rose
Also, Winston. No contest.
But Hamston
worthy rose
Winston is arguably the strongest hero in the Overwatch universe.
Nah
rare trail
Winston is arguably the strongest hero in the Overwatch universe.
i thought doom was
ivory garnet
Winston wins even if Ball is in mech most likely
rare trail
and sigma
worthy rose
I Wanna see him create a black hole
limpid agate
Winston is stronger than Doomfist
rare trail
really?
ivory garnet
i thought doom was
no, he has lost to Orisa twice and Winston once
rare trail
he lost to winston in a 1v3 to be fair
ivory garnet
1v1
limpid agate
Doomfist using the gauntlet lost in a fist fight to winston.
ivory garnet
Doom no-diffed tracer and Genji
rare trail
nah he fought tracer and genji right before that right
limpid agate
Tracer and Genji were irrelevant
ivory garnet
it wasnt a competition though
rare trail
so like he was "weakened"
ivory garnet
not at all
they didnt tire him or hit him once
Doom broke tracers thingy and broke part of Genji’s mechanics
worthy rose
Doom is literally 2nd strongest
ivory garnet
nope
worthy rose
Yes
ivory garnet
atleast 6th or 5th
dense nebula
Winston is arguably the strongest hero in the Overwatch universe.
Sigma
ivory garnet
in physical strength he is arguably the strongest, if not winston
rare trail
we're talking about the doomfist origin story right?
ivory garnet
yep
chilly wind
i get cassidy but tracer?
guess you’re right
rare trail
bc it technically didnt show winston beating doom
ivory garnet
Winston beat doom
rare trail
it just cut away
limpid agate
The contenders for the strongest hero are:
- Orisa
- WInston
- Sigma
- Symmetra
In no particular order
rare trail
sym? orisa?
ivory garnet
yeah
limpid agate
There is no correct answer because we dont have enough info.
rare trail
why?
dense nebula
bc it technically didnt show winston beating doom
My brother it Christ it shows Doomfist breaking out of prison
limpid agate
But those 4 are the contenders for strongest
ivory garnet
Sym’s hardlight is OP and Orisa beat Doom twice
limpid agate
Doomfist is up there in strength. He could be second. He could be 5th. But wherever he is, he is below Winston.
If Winston is #1, Doomfist can be #2. If Winston is #3, Doomfist can be no higher than #4.
rare trail
My brother it Christ it shows Doomfist breaking out of prison
we dont know what happened after winston and doom started fighting
ivory garnet
we dont know what happened after winston and doom started fighting
yes we do
we legit know he lost
rare trail
he was eventually jailed but we dont know how that fight turned out
limpid agate
We do know
ivory garnet
yes, we do
rare trail
how it cuts away
limpid agate
The origin short tells us
The bio tells us
Voicelines in OW1 tell us
The twitter lore for Storm Rising tells us
ivory garnet
no one else would be able to capture Doomfist other than Winston at that time
limpid agate
The devs in interviews tells us
The fucking kid from the first cinematic trailer tells us
ivory garnet
yep, then after 6 years in prison he breaks out and goes to raid Numbani and gets utterly wiped by Orisa
dense nebula
Headcanons give me a headache
ivory garnet
same
rare trail
what comics/shorts does orisa beat doom?
ivory garnet
her comic
limpid agate
Hero of Numbani
Not a comic
Its a novel
And that was a weakened version of Orisa
ivory garnet
my bad
limpid agate
Before her upgrades to her OW1 state
And before her further upgrades to her OW2 state
dense nebula
I like to think the battle was equally matched, but apparently she wipes the floor with Doomfist
dense nebula
And I’m supposed to take Doom seriously if he can’t even match her?
limpid agate
Orisa is powerful
dense nebula
Doom ain’t even a threat anymore in lore, Winston beats him, Orisa beats him
ivory garnet
his raw strength is amazing, but apparently not against Winston or Orisa’s durab
rare trail
i think sigma can wipe any hero
dense nebula
Mfw they guy known for powerful punching is at his strongest when not fighting
worthy rose
I wanna see mechless Hamston tank dva’s ult
rare trail
like what are you gonna do if he just turns gravity off on you
worthy rose
like what are you gonna do if he just turns gravity off on you
Give myself gravity
limpid agate
We dont know Sigma or Symmetra's limits or full capabilities
ivory garnet
although, a big thing is. Orisa was made to direct counter Doomfist, so it can be implied that she is either one of the strongest, or just a better hero to fight against Doom
limpid agate
Everything
ivory garnet
its either been stated ir shown to make a 1km high hammer
limpid agate
Its like the green lantern but without the space flight
ivory garnet
basically yeah
ivory garnet
thats a good way to put it
limpid agate
She can do some things the Green Lantern cant too
rare trail
but then again turn gravity off
limpid agate
Like teleports or autonomous structures
rare trail
reaper seems like he should win all the time
being able to turn into smoke is really good
but he just
limpid agate
Code of Violence shows us that Reaper is much more mortal than he looks
limpid agate
He can do that, but he has to do it on command
ivory garnet
reaper definitely has good potential though
rare trail
widow is weak af
limpid agate
Yeah
ivory garnet
but i dont know if the writers will get to that point
rare trail
shes just a girl who can shoot good
ivory garnet
i mean technically so is every other sharp shooter
rare trail
cassidy is dumb with all the shit he can do
duel the entirety of deadlock gang and win
ivory garnet
he only has stun and good shooting skills
and a good battle strategist
not as good as Reaper and others ofc
rare trail
has winston ever gotten hurt?
ivory garnet
yeah
worthy rose
Yes
rare trail
like he seems kinda unkillable
worthy rose
He got smacked
ivory garnet
no he is just the main character
worthy rose
like you shoot a gun at him andhe just shrugs it off
Harambe
worthy rose
makes his fight scenes borign
Exactly
ivory garnet
killing Emily would be crazy tbh
dense nebula
Bruh how tf did you know I was gonna say that?
ivory garnet
LOL
rare trail
death blossom is canon right?
ivory garnet
death blossom is canon right?
yes
worthy rose
The spider lady
ivory garnet
that was in the Overwatch 1 Trailer cinematic ic
rare trail
i want ana and widow to duel again
dense nebula
But yeah, have Tracer try to encourage an old Overwatch agent to come back, fail at that. And have the agent turn out to be an assassin for Talon that murders Emily to get to Tracer and have her lose her will to fight
I’m fucking evil
worthy rose
i want ana and widow to duel again
Ana is simply better
rare trail
i think cassidy could beat a lot of the cast
ivory garnet
Ana is stated to be the better shot, but she couldnt take the life because she hesitated because she saw it was Gerard’s wife
ivory garnet
i think cassidy could beat a lot of the cast
no
rare trail
i think he could
worthy rose
just a normal human being with a good shot
He has a cyborg arm and has literal aimbot
dense nebula
In 1 on 1 scenarios maybe
ivory garnet
he doesnt use that arm
limpid agate
Rows are sorted alphabetically
ivory garnet
its very hard to say who is stronger than who unless its obvious
limpid agate
Could use some adjustment in the middle rows
Since I just threw this together in 4 minutes
worthy rose
Hammond is top tier
limpid agate
Hammond is a mech champion in a mech of unknown but presumably high power and durability
ivory garnet
Tracer seems more like an A than S ngl
no. her skip is very good
rare trail
Rows are sorted alphabetically
i think cass could be sombra soldier sojourn pharah echo bap and jq
limpid agate
He is probably stronger than Junkerqueen
worthy rose
He is probably stronger than Junkerqueen
No, but smarter yes
limpid agate
i think cass could be sombra soldier sojourn pharah echo bap and jq
Echo is explicitly better than Cassidy since she can just copy his skill
dense nebula
no. her skip is very good
It’s limited and judging by Doomfist’s reveal, can be used to the opponent’s advantage
worthy rose
Echo is explicitly better than Cassidy since she can just copy his skill
He can do it better
rare trail
Echo is explicitly better than Cassidy since she can just copy his skill
can she copy his memories and combat strategy?
ivory garnet
It’s limited and judging by Doomfist’s reveal, can be used to the opponent’s adv...
if she has it, its good. not everyone knows the overwatch agent’s weaknesses like Doom
limpid agate
She doesnt copy memories
limpid agate
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
The thing you need to compare here is
ivory garnet
being a better strategist wont always give you the win
limpid agate
Cassidy is a very good shot (not the best) with good strategy
dense nebula
being a better strategist wont always give you the win
Look at Doomfist
worthy rose
How are you gonna decide a winner based on abilities alone 🗿
dense nebula
He was by all means superior than Genji/Tracer/Winston but lost due to underestimating Winston’s strength in Primal Rage
limpid agate
Echo is a copy of Cassidy's skill with the gun, plus Tracer's, plus Baptiste's, plus Sojourn's, plus she can fly, plus she can also shoot missles and lasers out of her hands, plus any other hidden powers that she has hiding up her sleeve
Echo is powerful
Cassidy is just a good shot
worthy rose
Echo is a copy of Cassidy's skill with the gun, plus Tracer's, plus Baptiste's, ...
You’re talking about in-game
rare trail
Echo is a copy of Cassidy's skill with the gun, plus Tracer's, plus Baptiste's, ...
oh yeah i didnt think about that
limpid agate
Im not talking about in game
rare trail
can she copy anyone on the fly?
limpid agate
We dont know her limits yet
ivory garnet
not that i think, she has to have prior knowledge
worthy rose
Im not talking about in game
Well I ain’t reading all that
rare trail
has she ever copied anyone on the fly?
ivory garnet
not shown
limpid agate
She can replicate medical professionals
And we have seen her replicate Tracer's piloting
rare trail
idk like shes gotta be shot once and shes done
worthy rose
Sombra is literally in the process of hacking her 🗿
rare trail
if sombra is in the process of hacking her thats crazy
limpid agate
Echo is the one machine in the world she cant hack
rare trail
like sombra is the best hacker in the world
worthy rose
Echo is the one machine in the world she cant hack
They have some interactions, sombra already broke through some of her fire walls
rare trail
if she cant hack echo echo is cool
ivory garnet
but she hasnt disabled or taken over her
dense nebula
They have some interactions, sombra already broke through some of her fire walls
ONCE AGAIN INTERACTIONS AREN’T CANON
worthy rose
but she hasnt disabled or taken over her
“process”
worthy rose
ONCE AGAIN INTERACTIONS AREN’T CANON
They are tho
ivory garnet
she hasnt, its been shown she couldnt
worthy rose
she hasnt, its been shown she couldnt
womp womp
ivory garnet
Rows are sorted alphabetically
maybe put Zarya up one btw
worthy rose
I don’t like sombra either way
rare trail
They are tho
no they arent
ivory garnet
interactions, some are canon, some suggest canon, some arent canon
rare trail
Rows are sorted alphabetically
doesnt zen have no canon powers?
worthy rose
I’m not disagreeing, I just wanna know who said that
rare trail
thats weak
limpid agate
Fair I dropped Zen
rare trail
as theres a mission about him and Genji
thats cool
theres gonna be some cool interactions there
ivory garnet
PvE will help alot
ivory garnet
yes
its about the coming of the 2nd Omnic Crisis I believe
based off of all the seen footage
so Null Sector and Talon vs Overwatch and allies
as Torb is shown helping
and Bastion possibly apart of either Torbs guild or overwatch
rare trail
and lucio right?
limpid agate
The second omnic crisis is the war in Russia
Its not about that
Its about Null Sector's invaston and Talon
rare trail
sym is from russia right?
ivory garnet
i thought they were in russia in her cinematic?
Zarya is russian, seen in Infiltration cinematic, her novel, comic, and Cassidy’s New Blood comic line
rare trail
when did genji get half killed
limpid agate
A decade ago
west dirge
For the story mode of Overwatch, whenever that comes out, do we have any idea if any of the characters are going to die? My best guess is Rein or Doomfist but aside from them I don't think blizzard would kill anyone else off
ivory garnet
no one will die
Theres also 0 reason to kill off either of them. Killing Doom would ruin the story
and Reinhardt has 0 reason to die
maybe taken out of service, but not die
west dirge
Ah alright, thanks
limpid agate
For the story mode of Overwatch, whenever that comes out, do we have any idea if...
Characters will probably die
Heroes will not
Maximillien for example is not a hero
They can kill him off
But they wont kill off Reaper or Torbjorn
opaque tundra
So I read the short story and I have some things I wanna point out
- Did Ramattra leave the monastery and not tell Zen? I don't think the battered omnic was Zen.
- What's the context behind Ramattra "almost getting Zenyatta killed"? I wanna see that story
- Ok Ramattra is DEFINITELY involved in Mondatta's murder
limpid agate
The battered omnic was not Zen
He had already known Zen for years by this point
Cant answer 2, we dont know that yet
And I dont think he was involved in Mondatta's assassination
Voicelines will give insight into 2 and 3 though
opaque tundra
Oh yeah and my fourth point is about Ramatrra imprisoning omnics or something (I gotta reread that part). Is that why we see those two omnics getting snatched in the PvE footage? It's interesting to see just how far Ram is going
past copper
Just throwing this out now
The Arctic skins we see on Overwatch members make sense now
They’re about to locate and fight Ramattra in his home base
Reminder tho, when did Ramattra meet with Doomfist? Bc Storm Rising was like 2 years after Uprising I think
round crag
guys i loved it when winston and tracer beat doomfist while rammatra backflipped and killed doomfist
peak escarp
don't make things up
worn lake
worthy rose
Doesnt zen and ram want the same objective?
Like peace
But ramattra in a very awful way
peak escarp
yes
wide knot
craggy needle
Like eren 💀
neon shell
guys i loved it when winston and tracer beat doomfist while rammatra backflipped...
Clapped when I saw this part
dull zephyr
The second omnic crisis is the war in Russia
well, sorta.
it seems that a master program called a "god program" was in charge of the first division of null sector, his name was Anubis. It was more of a hive mind that controlled the other units in the first version of null sector during the omnic crisis.
The omnic uprising is what rammatra is leading with a new version of null sector.
limpid agate
That's all wrong
dull zephyr
There was the second and first omnic crisis in the initial war no?
limpid agate
No
limpid agate
The First Omnic Crisis was the war 30 years ago. It was started by Anubis, which was a rogue AI. It was not related to Null Sector
dull zephyr
Yes
limpid agate
The Second Omnic Crisis is also unrelated to Null Sector
dull zephyr
Wait what
limpid agate
The omnium in Siberia just started churning out crisis era omnics for a mysterious purpose. You can speculate the purpose is related to Null Sector, but based on what we've seen, they're just standard fare akin to what Anubis built.
And it started doing that in the past few years
Long after Uprising
The King's Row Uprising was an isolated incident by Null Sector 7 years ago
Its not the Second Omnic Crisis
dull zephyr
The King's Row Uprising was an isolated incident by Null Sector 7 years ago
ohhhhh
limpid agate
The stuff we see in Zero Hour is also not the Second Omnic Crisis
dull zephyr
so null sector was a thing before rammatra right?
dull zephyr
oh....
limpid agate
We see the moment it was created in that short story
Nameless tells him to give the organization a name
That organization becomes Null Sector
dull zephyr
oh ok
that makes sense
so question @limpid agate
the kings row uprising mission in 2017
was that coordinated by null sector?
limpid agate
Correct
dull zephyr
ok so rammatra began considering on making null sector 11 years before the events overwatch 2 right @limpid agate
limpid agate
No
dull zephyr
The king's row uprising was 7 years ago
limpid agate
12 years before OW2, 11 before OW1
dull zephyr
oh ok gotcha
huh wild, alright.
Idk I feel like that oddly enough makes rammatra feel a bit more uhhh
dumb ish if I had to word it. Considering that mondatta and others were making omnics more accepted
limpid agate
In some parts of the world only.
They are accepted in Numbani and in Japan.
They are slaves in the UK
They are executed in Junkertown
dull zephyr
ye JT is kinda
a wild land
ik about the uk but by the time mondatta arrived why would
slaves be able to join a public protest speaker rally and have relationships with humans...
limpid agate
What
dull zephyr
King's row is in england
limpid agate
Yes
limpid agate
Yes
twilit nacelleBOT
Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
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#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
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dull zephyr
They already dont have any
I'm just saying that in terms of timeline it doesn't really make much
sense to say they don't have absolutely any
they may have less rights sure
dull zephyr
yeah. Iget that
but why is rammatra pursuing his goals when present day is well
this
sure there's junkertown but most of Europe and the U.S is fairly different in their stances on omnics in the modern day
why isn't he like oh idk
spending his time focusing his efforts in areas where omnics are being murdered....
like australia
limpid agate
He is spending his time focusing his efforts in areas where omnics are being murdered
London is one of those places
dull zephyr
https://youtu.be/U130wnpi-C0?t=44
it is?
limpid agate
Yes.
dull zephyr
Then why are all these omnics allowed to participate in a public rally that is being supported and secured by london security?
limpid agate
Ther eis a difference between oppression and genocide you know...
dull zephyr
Ok sure there's probably the occasional hate crime but why would you focus your efforts in a region that's actually progressing and actually supporting positive policies towards omnics instead of idk
russia
or australia
dull zephyr
Ther eis a difference between oppression and genocide you know...
I get that but
lets say this
dull zephyr
To preserve omnics as a species and people no matter the cost
dull zephyr
Not people
No I meant
limpid agate
Okay. So if his goal is to preserve omnics as a species.
dull zephyr
his people
dense nebula
He’s willing to genocide humanity to preserve omnic kind
limpid agate
Why would he go to places where Omnics dont exist.
dull zephyr
people doesn't
limpid agate
The omnics in the Russian Crisis are mindless drones
dull zephyr
He’s willing to genocide humanity to preserve omnic kind
I just mean this (time frame in link)
limpid agate
The omnics in Australia are wastelanders and nearly extinct thanks to Junkerqueen
dull zephyr
The omnics in the Russian Crisis are mindless drones
they are?
limpid agate
Yes.
Did you read the short story?
They're just Bastions
And spider tanks
Standard fare as what Anubis generated, and what Ramattra made for the Uprising
dull zephyr
huh
Ok
I think I kinda disregarded that when I saw volksaya doing black market trading with an omnic
my bad
limpid agate
So I ask again. Why would he go fight a war in a place where he doesnt have people to save
No, she did do black market trading with an omnic
They were implied to be from Numbani
dull zephyr
They were implied to be from Numbani
ik I just didn't realize that
is the whole world really in this state where there are no countries that are practically treating omnics like slaves and no countries that are actively genociding the omnic populations they have (with some level of a population still being there)
limpid agate
There are countries that are practically treating omnics like slaves
dull zephyr
because russia has no omnics and australia has very few
limpid agate
Present day Overwatch absolutely is one
dull zephyr
I was all for that
what do you mean by present day overwatch treats omnics like slaves?
limpid agate
Have you read London Calling, I linked it
It was not a good comic series, but it goes into detail about the conditions in the UK
dull zephyr
It was not a good comic series, but it goes into detail about the conditions in ...
wait so
the omnics in that comic
are relatively close in time period to the omnics in the alive cinematic?
dull zephyr
Issue 2 is literally Alive
oh nah I'm dumb I think I skipped an issue or two when reading this
wary tartan
hampter
wary tartan
so why is sigma in talon
sigma got rescued by talon from his emo cage and was tricked and manipulated by talon to become a weapon, so sigma doesn’t even really know he’s in talon
dense nebula
But he’s also given access to a lot of technology and resources for his research
It’s complicated with Sigma and Talon
wary tartan
sigma is the nicest character imo he’s just used for the wrong reasons
dense nebula
Ngl I feel like they’re too scared to actually force him to do things
Considering he could snap and rip someone apart at their molecules
wary tartan
no i don’t think so, he is mostly contained and doesn’t seem to know many emotions such as anger. i could be wrong but tell me if i am
grim ledge
Ok tell me the lore of fnaf
clever abyss
sigma is the nicest character imo he’s just used for the wrong reasons
“Like father, like son” literally Sigma’s voice line after eliminating Winston
opaque tundra
This is kinda irrelevant now but I saw some numbers going on and I realized we have an idea of when Zen entered the monastery.
So Zen is about 21 in OW2
-1 year to recall
-7 years to Uprising
-4 years since Ramattra left the monastery
-3 years since he "dreamt of peace" with Zen.
Assuming those three years ago was when he met Zen and introduced him into the monastery, Zen became a monk 15 years ago. This means Zen was about 6 when he joined. That's 6 years of a past we know nothing about. I'm glad I figured out irrelevant information for no one in particular
Well it helps with timelines at least
rare trail
“Like father, like son” literally Sigma’s voice line after eliminating Winston
🤓 voice lines arent canon
opaque tundra
Some voice lines do represent the opinions and feelings of characters
rare trail
yeah pretty fucked up that sigma said that
he killed winstons gorilla dad :(
(ik hes saying he killed the scientist winston)
opaque tundra
Winston human was jumped by the monkeys
clever abyss
Some voice lines do represent the opinions and feelings of characters
I still can’t tell if Hanzo loves honor or not
opaque tundra
I think he's just depressed idk man
rare trail
the voice line of reaper to mercy "you did this to me" wouldve made great lore if they expanded on it
and deleted moira
drifting palm
I soaked like 50k dmg with Reinhardt last game and still lost
32k miti with 21 deaths
Sadge
I protecc the roadhog by absorbing dva ult
Oh
Wrong channel
💀
peak escarp
the voice line of reaper to mercy "you did this to me" wouldve made great lore i...
Mercy is a far more interesting character without the "secretly evil" trope
Moira makes much more sense
shadow marsh
In some parts of the world only.
Ik this particular discussion is over already but I'd like to know something, does US allow omnic rights as well?
limpid agate
Probably about as well as the US handles anything well.
Lots of people are pro omnic, and lots are anti omnic
That's kind of the story behind Hollywood as a map
shadow marsh
Although some pvp map locations aren't 100% we do see service omnics in midtown and Hollywood
However we know an omnic like Bob who raised ashe since her childhood
Ah I see
So they handle it pretty well
limpid agate
Well in their case, they're just people that have jobs
There are multiple omnic celebrities too
ivory garnet
the voice line of reaper to mercy "you did this to me" wouldve made great lore i...
i dont get why this is said
it would ruin Mercy’s ideology if she did that to reaper
voice lines indicate she wants to help Reaper
Mercy: Im not giving up on you Reyes
Reaper: I wish you would
ivory garnet
Ik this particular discussion is over already but I'd like to know something, do...
Omnics are dealt exactly like how real US treats people, alot of discrimination, but also alot of supporters
rare trail
Mercy is a far more interesting character without the "secretly evil" trope
not necessarily secretly evil just not a perfect angel who does nothing wrong in her entire life
ivory garnet
not necessarily secretly evil just not a perfect angel who does nothing wrong in...
was never inplied she thinks she is perfect
she just isnt maniacal like Moira who expirements and only hope her subjects dont die
Mercy commented on how she hates Moira’s expirements
past copper
I mean, when you think about it, it mostly depends on how widely affected the US was
During the Omnic Crisis
We hear about the war hitting other countries harder than others
But don’t really know just how hard the US was hit
Also, just a theory
But what if Ramattra’s friends who abandoned him were the cause of the Russian Omnium re-activating?
So little we know about them, but that Nameless has me concerned
peak escarp
why?
past copper
Nameless did basically say the war never ended and seems they’re all for killing humans
They just weren’t on board with Ram’s change of plans for omnics
And there’s no telling what they and their friend did after abandoning Ramattra
But I doubt they’d give up on their people
peak escarp
probably won't come up again for a long while
rare trail
Talon wants to start a war and the survivors will be strong right?
And ramattra just wants all the humans gone
What I don’t get is that like shouldn’t they kinda be at odds given doom fist presumably doesn’t want every human to die
past copper
Also, this probably doesn’t matter, but who would think it was Cole who possibly killed Lanet at King’s Row
past copper
What I don’t get is that like shouldn’t they kinda be at odds given doom fist pr...
Doomfist doesn’t care who lives or dies. Only that the strong rise up
And Ramattra seeks to create a better world for all omnics. Doing so requires a war
rare trail
Yeah so ig ramattra is willing to keep a few humans alive if it means being on talons good side
past copper
Possibly, but that only depends if they benefit him in his endeavors
rare trail
Like my idea is that talon and null sector just kinda make a big war happen
They’re kinda like the baddies in mgr
past copper
Doomfist and Talon have resources Ramattra and Null Sector need to strike back against humanity
rare trail
Actually doom and senator armstrong have really similar morals
Also what resources does talon have like a few heroes?
Ig they have the most powerful hero
past copper
Both goals are similar. And both lead to war that ends with the strong rising and the weak dying
rare trail
Because talon has a good hacker a good sniper reaper who’s pretty bad at what he does doom who’s pretty powerful and sigma who’s the most powerful imo
past copper
Talon has money and access to a number of resources. Such as from Sanjay in Vishkar and Akande’s own family company
past copper
Point is. Ramattra requires such resources in order to build his army
And Overwatch isn’t more powerful
They’re going in against Null Sector and Talon without help from the UN
All while going against the Petras Act
rare trail
Winston solos all of talon though besides sigma but he’s too much of a loose cannon to be useful
Orisa can beat doom
Orisa isn’t in ow though
But like Winston beats everyone in talon besides for sigma
I think overwatch is more powerful
past copper
It’s not. Realistically. They’re not and Winston’s had help in most of those situations
rare trail
Than talon
past copper
So no the best example
rare trail
Wdym tracer and genji got easily shut down by doom
Then Winston beat him
Gauntlet and all
past copper
And you think Doomfist wouldn’t be prepared and learn from his loss?
rare trail
Would winston have learnt nothing by fighting doom?
past copper
He fought Doom once. And only once. Not much for him to learn from.
And unlike Doom, doesn’t have as many resources at his disposal
Example. While Winston was busy trying to build a barrier, Doomfist can easily upgrade his cybernetics
rare trail
He fought Doom once. And only once. Not much for him to learn from.
He fought Winston once. And only once. Not much for him to learn from.
In the only fight we have of them Winston won
rare trail
He didn’t quickly learn against Winston
rare trail
We know doom lost
past copper
Yea and it’s not like Winston KOed him in one punch
rare trail
He still won though he’s more powerful as far as we know
And doom is like second strongest in talon
Power ranking in talon is sigma doom reaper sombra Moira widow
Although Sanjay might be able to get talon hard light which would balance things
molten shore
Is bastions design based off of Shockwave from transformers
rare trail
I doubt it but they’re pretty similar
Also about overwatchs power Winston is just one hero and he beats most of talon single-handedly
Like echo is super powerful give. She could just turn into Winston right?
And genji has a dragon
peak escarp
not a real dragon
rare trail
Yeah but yk what I mean like the green spirit thing
peak escarp
and Echo probably can't actually turn into anyone - she can just copy what they do
Winston wins because he's the main character and the plot needs him to win
rare trail
Winston op
noble pendant
Damn, that short story was bussin
rare trail
Which one?
keen summit
And genji has a dragon
Genji in strength is a glass canon
He can cut through anything but one good hit and hes out
molten shore
I feel like genji is really overrated I've heard people say he's top 3 strongest lore wise
limpid agate
He isnt
ivory garnet
near top 13 or 10
rare trail
I feel like genji is really overrated I've heard people say he's top 3 strongest...
Not nearly
He is strong though
Top three are sigma sym and orisa prolly
keen summit
Top three are sigma sym and orisa prolly
Finally a good take from the people who try power scaling
worthy rose
I feel like genji is really overrated I've heard people say he's top 3 strongest...
No not really
molten shore
I think reaper d.va ( mech) hog zarya orisa wintone sigma are all stronger then genji
Hog probably not
Or maybe idk
worthy rose
Reinhardt, Winston, and Doomfist are superior
rare trail
Hog is weak imo
worthy rose
I think reaper d.va ( mech) hog zarya orisa wintone sigma are all stronger then ...
Nah get Zarya and Hog out of here
rare trail
Is his vape heal canon?
worthy rose
Winston is superior to Sigma
rare trail
Winston is superior to Sigma
No
molten shore
I feel like widow would beat genji in a 1v1 if she's smart
worthy rose
Yes I can do it too!
rare trail
Ripping you apart from a molecular level is stronger than monke punch
But it’s not stronger than main character syndrome so Winston ig
rare trail
I feel like widow would beat genji in a 1v1 if she's smart
I think genji could deflect well enough
It depends though
rare trail
I think reaper d.va ( mech) hog zarya orisa wintone sigma are all stronger then ...
Doom too
molten shore
It depends though
Well widow would probably wait for a time he wouldn't expect her he didn't just kill mendata or whatever zens brothers name was
I'm referring to the alive cinematic
rare trail
Idk I don’t think good aim beats magic dragon
In a fair fight genji wins but if widow shot him from far away
molten shore
I think she was bad at close quarters combat
molten shore
I'd like more lucio lore
worthy rose
Reaper is terrible at his job
He only loses to the great Winston so it's not a failure on his part
simple egret
i feel like sigma as a whole is the most relatable character
most of his lore you can really feel how much pain he is in
keen summit
Also it confirmed in ran story that you can make mew omnics
half bane
Sigma protman
keen summit
just not sapient ones probs
half bane
Sigma’s real name is Prot Man
keen summit
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
sand anvil
cobalt matrix
Why is bastion sentient but other bastion units were not? Also why is orisa also sentient if she was created by her own and not made with the rest of the sentient omnics?
Also why are snowball and echo also sentient?
silent schooner
Why is bastion sentient but other bastion units were not? Also why is orisa also...
afaik the reason for orisa’s sentience is her reprogramming and idk for bastion
keen summit
Also why are snowball and echo also sentient?
Echo isnt confirmed sapient its theorized that alot of omnics suddenly awakened, but it was only the omnics who existed at that time
primal sphinx
Why is bastion sentient but other bastion units were not? Also why is orisa also...
Based off his video, it seems that he was damaged when he “died’ during the war. So when he was rebooted and there was no one to give commands, he was able to kind of gain sentience. It almost seemed like he analyzed nature to add it to his code
cobalt matrix
Based off his video, it seems that he was damaged when he “died’ during the war....
So, from what we know so far before the story mode, bastion has a sort of beta version of true ai, so he is sentient but not as hyper intelligent as other omnics?
cobalt matrix
Echo isnt confirmed sapient its theorized that alot of omnics suddenly awakened,...
We know she is a an ai built upon mimicking, so from what we know so far, if she is not true ai she is still close to that as she learns from those around her but can only so far base her decisions on what she learns so by definition she is still not true ai maybe?
cobalt matrix
afaik the reason for orisa’s sentience is her reprogramming and idk for bastion
Do we know if the original protectors were sentient or if an omnic was used to make orisa as well as the robot scraps?
primal sphinx
So, from what we know so far before the story mode, bastion has a sort of beta v...
That’s what I would think. He was built by tjorborn (I can’t spell his name off the top of my head lol) so maybe bastion was like his test version
cobalt matrix
Is there a comic that explains the origins of omnics?
cobalt matrix
That’s what I would think. He was built by tjorborn (I can’t spell his name off ...
Yeah, I think he does also have a unique Id as far as we have seen
So makes sense
We'll probably learn more in the story mode since torb is there and because of that so will bastion
That and because he will have to be because he is still a character
God I wish they made an overwatch movie or series
primal sphinx
I would kill for an anime / tv show
cobalt matrix
Echo isnt confirmed sapient its theorized that alot of omnics suddenly awakened,...
Do we have a comic about the origins of omnics? Wasn't there a female omnic who sacrificed herself so other will gain sentience?
cobalt matrix
I would kill for an anime / tv show
Yep and edge runners made me want more game based shows even more now
primal sphinx
I havent read any of the comics so im not sure but if you do find it let me know!
past copper
So, betting on Ramattra voice lines/interactions with the following
Maps: King’s Row, Junkertown, Nepal, and Shambali Temple (not sure that the name)
Heroes: Zenyatta, Tracer, Reinhardt, Torbjörn, Cassidy, Bastion, Orisa, Doomfist
Listing off heroes who have a direct or indirect connection with Ramattra
Two of them actually know Ramattra, two actually have a connection based on units from the Crisis, and others are connected from their experiences with Null Sector at King’s Row
void thorn
how is orisa connected to ramattra?
void thorn
Heroes: Zenyatta, Tracer, Reinhardt, Torbjörn, Cassidy, Bastion, Orisa, Doomfist
im confused
tidal wren
ah ok thanks
rare trail
Why is bastion sentient but other bastion units were not? Also why is orisa also...
i thought bastion is one of the first omnics so he was around or asleep in the forest when the robot who met the iris did her thing and made everyone sentient and orisa has apersonality core
rare trail
Do we have a comic about the origins of omnics? Wasn't there a female omnic who ...
kinda so woman robot achieved the "iris" (nirvana) and she ascended which made all the omnics sentient
she just became sentient bc uhhh uhm
summer tulip
What is the omnic lore? Are they man made?
past copper
Answering the first questions
Bastion was one of the unites from the Omnic Crisis. A unite that was supposed to be a mindless drone. The fact it has sentience now would intrigue Ramattra
Orisa was an OR-15 designed after the OR-14s from the Crisis. Ramattra is familiar with them and thought they were just mindless drones like bastions
summer tulip
What i can tell right now is that there were mindless robots, then one robot ascended to the iris, made everyone sentient
past copper
Given how unique Orisa is from those now would catch his interest in some way
summer tulip
But in ramattra story video he says that omnics race is only a single generation so they cant be made by humans anymore? Did they just forgor how the made them?
elfin frost
i assumed since they were given sentience once only ones that existed at the time got sentience
so even if mor are made they wont be sentient
past copper
Basically, omnics built before the crisis were given AI that gave them unique personalities. After the crisis, these omnics were no longer built and modern day omnics built are more or less robots with a single designation
Or how Ramattra likes to see it, as servants to humanity
silent schooner
how is orisa connected to ramattra?
both are omnics but for opposite reasons, Ramattra serving for Omnics and Orisa serving for humans
I can imagine he would try to sway her to his side
cobalt matrix
Basically, omnics built before the crisis were given AI that gave them unique pe...
But how would that make sense with what we know about the iris's involvement in the Creation of omnics
Also wtf is the iris, is it from the same plane as the spirit fox and dragons?
Because we know there isn't magic so the spirits must be beings from another plane/reality/dimension
peak escarp
the Iris is a state of being, not an entity
cobalt matrix
Kinda like HP Lovecraft beings but instead of wanting chaos they just vibe
peak escarp
and the Iris wasn't involved in creating omnics
Omnica Corp made them
mostly pioneered by Dr. Mina Liao
Dr. Liao created Aurora, the first sapient omnic, who later gave sapience to all omnics by transcending into the Iris
past copper
Not to use this analogy to describe omnics but
Think of taking a step back from the roomba to the handheld vacuum to describe omnics before and after the war
cobalt matrix
Still, nothing would stop them from making new omnics if it truly depended on technology, they could always make another aurora if that was the case, no knowledge was lost due to the war and in fact the world became more advanced
Unlike the world of for example Warhammer, the knowledge of how they made robots before the war wasn't lost so nothing would stop ramatra from making new omnics with his vast resources if that was the case
cobalt matrix
Dr. Liao created Aurora, the first sapient omnic, who later gave sapience to all...
I thought Liao mad the omnioms
Or whatever they are called
They need to explain it more because there sure are a lot of holes in the story about the omnics sentience
rare trail
But in ramattra story video he says that omnics race is only a single generation...
omnics in the sense of sentient ones
like you can make non sentient ones
but not the kind ramattra is
summer tulip
Omnics are the sentient ones?
rare trail
kinda
omnics is just kinda the name for a brand of robots but when ramattra says a single generation he means only a single generation is sentient
summer tulip
Non sentient are just robots?
rare trail
yeah
omnics are also the name for those too sometimes
but the single generation ramattra is talking about is the sentient ones
peak escarp
non-sentient = drones
sick phoenix
how can someone new to ow catch up on all lore in the easiest way possible
peak escarp
look in the pins on this channel
sick phoenix
thank u
elfin cloud
Can someone pls tell me what is up with sigma?
elfin cloud
Also why can't omnics just build more omnics
half bane
winton overwatch
mossy hamlet
ramattra and Mondatta ideological differences moment
worthy rose
Winton
merry mason
Also why can't omnics just build more omnics
There was a specific moment in overwatch timeline where omnics went from convincingly mimicing sentience to actual sentience. If an omnic wasn't there for that then they aren't actually "alive"
ivory garnet
saw people saying Hanzo would beat Tracer, gimme your thoughts. Cus personally, I see Tracer beating Hanzo easily
peak escarp
Hanzo has good reflexes
dense nebula
Hanzo has been trained to be a very sharp and accurate assassin with a bow. He can keep up with his brother in a head to head fight to the death. Tracer is unpredictable with movement but that’s really her only advantage imo
Hanzo is intelligent he can catch on to her blinks like Doomfist did
When Tracer fights she needs to end the battle fast otherwise her opponent catches on
peak escarp
I think it would be an even match
dense nebula
Depends on if Hanzo catches on fast enough
Also I really don’t like Tracer and any chance to see her get owned is a chance I’ll take
worthy rose
Hanzo has good reflexes
Nothing compared Tracer who can react to bullets and blitz a newbie Genji
Tracer also has pulse bombs and Hanzo never dealt with teleporters (Well she's not exactly a teleporter but it works the same)
valid jolt
why no more new omnic
peak escarp
because they can't give them sentience
static pike
overwatch is over us watching us
peak escarp
who give them sentience before
Aurora
omnics can be repaired, but once they die they can't come back
valid jolt
what happen to aurora
peak escarp
she transcended into the Iris
rare trail
Can someone pls tell me what is up with sigma?
sigma got a black hole in his brain when doing an experiment and is now a little goofy
rare trail
Also why can't omnics just build more omnics
those omnics wouldnt be sentient because there was an omnic aurora who just kinda became sentient and ascended to the iris which make all other omnics who were alive at the time sentient
if you make more omnics they wouldnt be sentient
drifting viper
Can someone pls tell me what is up with sigma?
He went insane after doing experiments with black holes and stuff, then talon kidnapped because he is able to harness gravity and so is very powerfull
jaunty mantle
Yo how did soldier and reaper die
And what did mercy do to reaper that she chooses not to remember
peak escarp
they didn't die
jaunty mantle
Oh
peak escarp
Mercy didnt do anything
rare trail
And what did mercy do to reaper that she chooses not to remember
wdym she didnt do anything
jaunty mantle
The wiki said there was a funeral held for soldier
jaunty mantle
Oh shit
peak escarp
Reaper got his powers from Moira
rare trail
Reaper got his powers from Moira
and whoever ran the super soldier program
rare trail
he went into the super soldier program then he was a part of overwatch then blackwatch then he almost died and moira "saved" him and gave him smoke power
i think
peak escarp
yes
although Moira had started experimenting on him before the explosion
so he has some wraith powers during Retribution
jaunty mantle
Which prevented him from dying completely I assume
peak escarp
yes
rare trail
grey
peak escarp
they were Overwatch's black ops division
peak escarp
they did the illegal stuff Overwatch wasn't supposed to do
jaunty mantle
Ohhhhhh
rare trail
Who was in it
cass reaper
jaunty mantle
Is that what lead to ow being deemed illegal
peak escarp
Who was in it
Gabriel Reyes, Cole Cassidy, Genji Shimada, Moira O'deorain
rare trail
talon and blackwatch i get mixed up a lot
talon is sigma(although they dont ever use him) doomfist reaper sombra widow baptiste and moira
rare trail
although baptiste is ex talon
sullen raptor
Is that what lead to ow being deemed illegal
I mean in retribution, they literally shot the boss guy at start of scene..and in the end u see the overwatch team arguing sooooo...
jaunty mantle
Poor sig
jaunty mantle
I mean in retribution, they literally shot the boss guy at start of scene..and i...
💀
rare trail
sig is kinda an asshole in voice lines
sullen raptor
I forgot the guy name..the one they shot through window
jaunty mantle
Sig prior to his memory loss?
peak escarp
Antonio
sullen raptor
Oh yeah him
rare trail
is his last name sigma?
rare trail
where did the name sigma come from
peak escarp
it was his designation in the quarantine facility
rare trail
how did Siebren de Kuiper turn into sigma
sigma was his designation?
like nickname?
peak escarp
yes
he was quarantined in a government facility after his accident for public safety
past copper
So, anyone happy about the returning maps and wonder if Blizz changed them up?
peak escarp
since he couldn't control the gravitic anomalies around him
rare trail
is there a place to read all the characters voice lines?
peak escarp
on the wiki
rare trail
i love sigmas on fire voice lines Burning brighter than a supernova!
The universe is singing to me!
past copper
Well, I can see where this inspiration for Junker Queen Zeus comes from
rare trail
sigma is mean in voicelines
past copper
Doubt she actually shoot lightning, but that is a fun reference from her Origin Short
merry mason
My guess is rain
Could be snow? Even though there is already a snow version.
peak escarp
Doubt she actually shoot lightning, but that is a fun reference from her Origin ...
she will for the Olympus mode
merry mason
sigma is mean in voicelines
What lines? Most of them just make him seem oblivious.
past copper
Maybe. Though I always saw Blizzard World as tropical
merry mason
It's probably somewhere in California like the blizz hq is
past copper
Rain just seems to sound more realistic since there’s snow for Winter Wonderland
That said, maybe it is snow coming down as a blizzard
merry mason
yeah i hope they don't just reuse snow. also lol a blizzard at blizzard world
peak escarp
Blizzard World is in Irvine, CA
past copper
Thinking bout it
peak escarp
you can see the orange balloon in the distance
past copper
Blizzard World seemed to use snow machines
dense nebula
It's probably somewhere in California like the blizz hq is
Damn way to ruin the market value
peak escarp
I dont think they're going to add any weather to the map
past copper
So if it is in Cali, probably is rain after all
dense nebula
Real talk, Blizzard World would not be successful Irl in California
It’s competing with not only Disneyland, but also Magic Mountain
past copper
Nah. I think it would
merry mason
I would not expect weather if it wasn't for them mentioning weather.
past copper
Video game themed theme park
dense nebula
The only evidence of that working irl is Super Nintendo World in Universal, and that’s not its own thing it’s attached to the Universal Park
merry mason
don't people go to orlando to see both disneyworld and universal studios? it could work like that
dense nebula
don't people go to orlando to see both disneyworld and universal studios? it cou...
Forgot all about BGT and SWO didn’t you?
merry mason
I am not good at acronyms but i did forget
past copper
I’d personally love to see actual weather on the maps. Bring the maps to life and make it more interesting
dense nebula
Busch Gardens: Tampa, and SeaWorld Orlando
merry mason
Busch gardens is cool
merry mason
I’d personally love to see actual weather on the maps. Bring the maps to life an...
it would get in the way of the field of veiw
past copper
That didn’t stop people on Storm Rising
merry mason
was it just me or did necropolis have a sandstorm in the first week of OW2?
because I definetly played a match with a sandstorm
past copper
There’s weather affects coming to Overwatch 2, but I don’t think they specified only being PvE
Time of day changes are fine and dandy, but weather really gives life to the environment
Storms, rain, blizzards, sandstorms, etc. on certain maps
merry mason
it would certainly be cool, but you know, competitive integrity and all that.
past copper
It’s not like Blizzard would make the weather realistic in blinding the players
They literally had a weather affect near the end up Storm Rising and it didn’t hinder game play
So they can easily do the same thing for other maps
dense nebula
There’s a difference between a casual PvE environment and a high octane competitive PvP environment
ivory garnet
talon is sigma(although they dont ever use him) doomfist reaper sombra widow bap...
Mauga, not Bap
rare trail
What lines? Most of them just make him seem oblivious.
he tells winston on elim "like father like son"
ivory garnet
so it doesnt matter
ivory garnet
he’s overwatch now
ivory garnet
it matters genji was in shimada
thats his birthname
rare trail
he’s overwatch now
so? its still important to the lore who was in which group when
its important that reaper was ex overwatch
ivory garnet
Bap didnt do anything huge besides “kill” Mauga
rare trail
it still matters that he was in talon though
ivory garnet
Reaper was a major aspect in Overwatch and Blackwatch so yes it matters for him
rare trail
him not doing anything "big" doesnt mean its not important
or not something to mention
i dont think talon makes a full team
like in 5v5
ivory garnet
no they dont
peak escarp
they need another support
rare trail
when they had bap they could make a full team right?
rare trail
yeah
doom sigma on tank reaper and sombra could be on damage and moira bap on support
ivory garnet
or widow
rare trail
widow could be damage too
although if there ever was a big fight between talon and overwatch sigma probably wouldnt fight
i dont think they can control him
rare trail
i mean i think hes the most powerful being in the world of overwatch but i dont think he would fight for talon
hes too crazy
ivory garnet
reaper is insane but he still fights
rare trail
yeah but sigma has no reason to fight
i think reaper fights because he agrees with doom
sombra fights because she gets paid i think
ivory garnet
we dont know that yet, all the implications are that he does want to fight though
rare trail
widow is just brainwashed or conditioned or whatever
rare trail
we dont know that yet, all the implications are that he does want to fight thoug...
what implications?
rare trail
uh when?
ivory garnet
especially when he yells “violence”
rare trail
he just got broken out by them
ivory garnet
he was in his suit in the frame so no
rare trail
why does he care about making humanity "stronger"
wearing a suit talon gave him isnt 100% he wants to fight for them
ivory garnet
that isnt his plausible reason, thats only doom’s reason
rare trail
like what does sigma gain
they cant kill him
they give him resources to do experiments maybe but we never see that
ivory garnet
not much to say on what is ideology is, we know basically 0 things abt him
there would be no reason for him to be an asset to Talon unless they were goinggto use him as a trump card
rare trail
i mean talon could just be keeping him even if they cant control him
ivory garnet
they just dont want him to get hurt or die possibly if they need him to fight
rare trail
just because they have him hidden somewhere doesnt mean they can control him
ivory garnet
he believes he has more freedom with Talon than he did when he was in prison, yet he is still imprisoned within Talon. They’ll use Sigma for a big event and battle
rare trail
we dont know that they can use him
i mean he might feel a debt to them bc they broke him out of prison but we dont know
ivory garnet
we also dont know alot of stuff but theres heavy speculations and implications of what can happen
rare trail
i dont think its reasonable to say that talon can use sigma just because they broke him out of prison
ivory garnet
obviously Sigma still has a grasp on reality. He knows he was being kept in a max security prison and knew he couldnt do anything. He still has a functioning human brain thats just fractured, he can make his own decisions as long as they are okay with Akande. If he didnt want to help Talon in battle or for battle he wouldnt like being with Talon
worn wolf
what are the current power rankings amongst heroes and where are we thinking rammatra will fit in?
rare trail
ramattra doesnt really have any abilities in lore
so
but current power rankings are like sigma orisa winston and sym at top
rare trail
Rows are sorted alphabetically
heres a tier list
worn wolf
but current power rankings are like sigma orisa winston and sym at top
ty
excited to see where null leader lands
looks dope minus his clunky animations (dont know if changed yet)
rare trail
ramattra doesnt seem that strong based on what lore they'll probably put in
like maybe hes physically strong but no way hes beating sigma winston sym or orisa
probably like a or b tier though
worn wolf
probably like a or b tier though
true sigma can make brackholes
rare trail
reasons for orisa sigma winston and sym being at the top
orisa-beat doom singlehandedly on multiple occasions
sigma-can control gravity
winston-beat doom singlehandedly and just wins all the time bc hes the main character
sym-has green lantern abilities basically and green lantern is overpowered as fuck if you think about it
rare trail
sigma is my favorite character
chrome plover
Issac newton is wallowing in his grave because of sigma
rare trail
isacc newton shouldve gotten brain damage from a black hole
ruby steeple
i just pissed
slow fulcrum
i like balls,,, dm me
dense nebula
I feel like Ram has the potential to be stronger than Orisa
Main point being Orisa was specially designed to fight Doomfist, so she’ll have a hard time trying to to adapt to fighting other people
And Ramattra’s Nemesis Form seems like it’ll be quite strong in lore if he uses it as a sort of last resort to all out sort of thing
rare trail
nemisis form is just strong yk
its not like special or anything
winston is just strong as well but hes the main character so he wins all the time
dull path
sigma needs some more lore focus i think
peak escarp
Sigma isnt very important to the story
I'd prefer for the lore to focus on the central characters
mossy hamlet
I think ramattra could maybe change the top 5 a little, because of everything he’s got going for him
-ravager unit; made to be an omnic commander elite essentially
-brilliant mind, from what we’ve been told about him
-nemesis form
-nanites
though I’m not good at powerscaling nor do I really care half the time, so I could be wrong
elfin cloud
sigma got a black hole in his brain when doing an experiment and is now a little...
little goofy?
rare trail
little goofy?
hes mentally unstable
rare trail
Sigma isnt very important to the story
idk hes kinda important
like hes part of whatever talon is planning
and i sure love me some sigma so i wouldnt be opposed
brittle needle
Is sombra male?
last tapir
Is there mercy and moira lore?
last tapir
Yeah like any in detail stuff or is there just the voicelines
rare trail
mercy and moira individually have lore but id ont think theyve met
presumably they dont like eachother given ones in overwatch and the others in talon
last tapir
I thought they used to work with eachother but It might have not been canon
last tapir
I hope we get some lore with them two in the pve ngl
I don't want no genji mercy lovey dovey shit I want ANGST. ANGER
worthy rose
is the "no magic" rule true?
rare trail
thers a bunch of magic
mossy hamlet
yeah where did the “no magic” rule come from? it is false
rare trail
theres dragon spirits fox spirits grenades that can tell from friend or foe
mossy hamlet
theres dragon spirits fox spirits grenades that can tell from friend or foe
the grenades are more gameplay
but yeah dragon and fox spirits?
rare trail
biotic grenade is canon
peak escarp
idk hes kinda important
he's as important as Hammond or Hanzo
not important compared to Winston or Tracer or Doomfist
dim oracle
wait is reinhardts nationality actually german or is he american