lore-discussion

[worthy rose]

He would have died if Mercy hadn't stabilized him long enough to get him to ow's medical facilities

No Hanzo does

"I promised to never wield a sword again."

He actually betrays the clan after his fight with Genji

[mossy hamlet]

hanzo very much does regret doing what he had to do to genji

[worthy rose]

Yeah well

And thats why hes looking for rederemption

Hanzo was simply following orders

[mossy hamlet]

yeah

[worthy rose]

Shimada lore its sad and cold at the same time

Welcome to the world of the Yakuza

Yakuzas have no feelings

Yakuza clans irl are alot worse

Thanks god there arent many as before

[white cobalt]

I kinda hate this format https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClEum63gi1V/?igshid=ZmVmZTY5ZGE=

[worthy rose]

It's not uncommon for Yakuza clan family heads to be killed, and for members to defect to the opposing side

[white cobalt]

But that's how they dropping lore too

[worthy rose]

Yakuzas are nothing without honor

Thats why hanzo its obsessed with honor

Watch a movie called the Outsider, it gives a very good picture of life within a Yakuza family

Or yakuza game

Or that I suppose

Ive understood pretty well what a yakuza was

I didnt understand naything hanzo said

When i was younger

But damn

The Yakuza just the Japanese mafia pretty much

Yeah

Oh and also

What happen to mcree's arm

He loses it in a battle, I forget with whom or when or where

I thinked that too

Well he certainly didn't cut it off himself lol

And junkrat well.

We all know why he lost body parts.

[peak escarp]

we dont know how he lost it

[worthy rose]

Junk blew his own leg off

LMAO

[peak escarp]

"that's a story for another time."

[worthy rose]

i love junkrat

I WONDER HOW JUNKRAT PARENTS LOOKED LIKE

@peak escarp hey how are you

Noone knows

[peak escarp]

I'm at work 😉

[worthy rose]

I had an interview his morning, he will hire me if I pass the background

Probably the heros with the most extensive details are those of the lindholms and the Shimada

Also those of Ana and Pharah, since they are directly related

Aka mother and daughter

Yeah

How did ana lost her eye aswell

I forgot

Widow

A fight with widow

Oh

Widow shot the scope of Ana's rifle and the glass from the scope lens got into her eye

I learnt why widowmaker killed her husband

With a conversation

"he said something about talon"

[worthy rose]

OH YEAH

[mystic talon]

What is your favorite ship

[worthy rose]

Do not.

Increible that ana survived a direct shot in the head

[mystic talon]

Plot armor

[worthy rose]

Eh

Widowmaker's rifle its high tch

[mystic talon]

It is possible to survive a sniper shot to the eye

[peak escarp]

Widowmaker killed her husband in his sleep

[worthy rose]

Even widow says "a well directed bullet can penetrate any armour"

[worthy rose]

Yeah

Ive learnt WHY

Been wondering for so long why she did thta

[worthy rose]

As long as the bullet doesnt reach the brain

[kindred nimbus]

Its only the scrapnels that got into her eye i thinks

[mystic talon]

Yes

[peak escarp]

she did it because she was programmed as a sleeper agent

[worthy rose]

Really?

I heard a widow maker conversation with baptist i think it was?

[kindred nimbus]

And also the eye that got damaged is a prosthetic one to improve her aim i think

[worthy rose]

That said she killed his husband for revealing things from talon

[worthy rose]

Mhm

that line from junkrat says how many charcaters of ow doesnt have an ehe

[peak escarp]

Gerard was Overwatch's head of anti-Talon operations

[worthy rose]

Wait whos Gerard?

OH

Was that her father or husband?

Husband right

He was killed if I remember

Yeah

[peak escarp]

Gerard Lacroix

Widowmaker's maiden name was Amelie Guillard

[worthy rose]

Damn

[peak escarp]

when she travels, she uses the pseudonym Danielle Guillard

you can see the name on some airplane tickets on her desk in the Chateau Guillard map

[worthy rose]

OH

GUILLARD MAP

DAMN

Bro im discovering so mnay things

Thats where widow and his husband lived?

[peak escarp]

it was her family's ancestral home

[worthy rose]

me and lucio

Mercy/Genji

[drifting viper]

What does guillard mean

Why does she have the same name as a map

[surreal bramble]

Me and Sombra

[drifting viper]

Im not a shipper

But

Mercy and genji

[peak escarp]

it was her last name before she got married

[worthy rose]

Do not ship characters. Its not part of the lore.

[worthy rose]

Widow maker lived in a very rich family i guess

[dusk ruin]

so, she widowmaker'd herself? bruh

[alpine pawn]

her names twice true

[mossy hamlet]

I mean, I’d say it is. it’s just speculation+headcanon, same as any power scaling or “what will ramattra’s interactions be like”

[wooden vale]

Widow and genji perfecto

[worthy rose]

What.

Roadhog and Junkrat relation its stronger than any ship

[mossy hamlet]

it’s really not

roadhog doesn’t exactly love working with junkrat

[worthy rose]

Roadhog doesnt love anything

Except his hook

[peak escarp]

he loves Pachimari

[mossy hamlet]

and he thinks tokki is cute

[alpine pawn]

is hard to tell what hog really feels he doesnt even speak that much and the comic he narrates he does a bit and like a tad cryptic

i do suspect hes just done with the worlds bs and does as he damn wants

[long loom]

Any one want play comp I’m gold 3 in DBS

[gentle eagle]

!!fg

[long loom]

What mean fg my English not that good but I understand

And I’m new in discord 😅

[worthy rose]

The only real ship in ow is Mercy & Genji, they the only ones that seem to have a more then friend's or family relationship

And tracer, I think she's dating someone but the person she is with isn't a very noticeable character in ow

[peak escarp]

Tracer's girlfriend is named Emily

[worthy rose]

Thank you 'O Lore God

Lol

[mystic talon]

Ya but pharmacy

I stand by it

Great fan art material

[worthy rose]

idk if this makes sense or not but why is there a semi truck with a american flag and a eagle on it in route 66 is it apart of any lore or is it just there for looks

Just looks

It has nothing to do with the lore at all

[dense nebula]

Just visuals cause Route 66 is a symbol of American culture from back in the day

[worthy rose]

Route 66 still exists today

[dense nebula]

I know

But it’s less for ease of travel and more a tourist destination now

[worthy rose]

so route 66 is just a historical map of what the us used to look like before modernization in overwatch 2

[dense nebula]

No

Well

Sort of

The impact of Route 66 was that it was one of the longest routes in history spanning from California to Illinois

A massive achievement for the time period it was made

But this is getting too off topic now

[worthy rose]

Yeah mostly as a tourist thing, it was replaced by the interstate system

Still, it's a cool map in ow I like it

[primal sphinx]

Lore wise the root 66 map is where Cassidy retrieved Echo when Winston made the overwatch recall

[worthy rose]

It's also where he showed down with ashe and the deadlocke gang

[primal sphinx]

But its ran by outlaws as its typically backwoods compared to the modernized systems, including the train that ran right over it

[primal sphinx]

Yep when he went to retrieve echo

[worthy rose]

Yeah according to the story, Ashe and her gang attacked the train carrying military equipment and supplies but Cree showed up and tied Ashe to the trolly where they had stashed their loot

Then rode off on Ashe's bike

[drifting viper]

I assumed that was his bike

[worthy rose]

Nah, he stole it from Ashe

Typical western type crap

[peak escarp]

because America

[primal sphinx]

Nah and it you look at it she has a picture of her and Cassidy on it which is like super adorable

She has it mounted on the speedometer

[worthy rose]

'Murica

But personally I like Cree more then Ashe

[primal sphinx]

I think we all like Cassidy more than Ashe lol

[worthy rose]

Except the Ashe mains

[mossy hamlet]

it’s extremely sad that they were such good friends

and then Cassidy returned to overwatch

and Ashe won’t go good because she’s a dick

[peak escarp]

she's got parent issues

[worthy rose]

Cree was part of the deadlocke gang, Him and Ashe founded it together, but Cree was caught, and reaper(then Gabriel) gave him a choice to either join blackwatch or rot in prison

[primal sphinx]

^^

And now Ashe is salty about him turning his back

[peak escarp]

if you're going to insist on using the wrong name, at least spell it right

[worthy rose]

I say Cree for short

[peak escarp]

it's McCree, not Cree, not mcree

[worthy rose]

Doesn't really matter what you call him, different names for the same dude

We've been over this topic before

Cree sounds cooler in my opinion anyways

[worthy rose]

And messing up her robbery, and then riding off on her bike

[peak escarp]

Ashe is salty about a lot of things

[worthy rose]

Ashe probably has daddy issues

[alpine pawn]

i feel no empathy for her tho shes cool

[worthy rose]

Ashe came from an Aristocratic American family

Relationships in upper class families are hardly ever perfect, so it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Ashe and her father got into it, and Ashe ran away or something like that

[alpine pawn]

her fathers were absent

thats let very clear

[peak escarp]

Ashe was largely neglected by her parents, who were business coaches and the owners of the Arbalest Arms Company

so she lashed out

they threatened to disown her when she turned 18, so she decided to steal her inheritance before that

she formed the Deadlock Gang with Cassidy and a few others and raided her family's arms factory

[alpine pawn]

basically she has both daddy and mommy issues lol

[peak escarp]

Bob was more of a parent to her than either of her biological parents

[worthy rose]

Bob do something

[shadow marsh]

Bob is one of the sentient omnics, no?

[alpine pawn]

yep

[peak escarp]

all omnics are sentient

[mossy hamlet]

I don’t think ramattra would necessarily hate some overwatch members

sorry for being ramattra focused I just like ramattra if you couldn’t tell (teehee)

[limpid agate]

He is purpose driven

Most OW members aren't anti omnics

He would probably hate Zarya though

[mystic talon]

Ima try to make pharmacy cannon

[mossy hamlet]

I agree

maybe he’d have an interesting interaction with Winston

where Winston is trying to appeal to his senses

like “ramattra, we both want omnics to thrive! we don’t have to fight; humanity is worth saving too!”

and then ramattra goes

“humanity is too stupid to be saved, and you seem too stupid to realize that”

[karmic dagger]

is mcree girlfriend ashe?

[peak escarp]

they're not in a romantic relationship

[karmic dagger]

oh but they like "know each other"?

[peak escarp]

yes

they were in a gang together

they were close friends once

[normal saffron]

how do you learn about the lore

[peak escarp]

watch the shorts, read the comics

[normal saffron]

there's comics???

[peak escarp]

everything is available in the pins

[normal saffron]

oof thank you

I just joined

[karmic dagger]

OH WOW

there's some serious lore here!

holy.. this is cool

i thought it is just like a one time story thing

[karmic dagger]

oh no 😦

both my fav character to use. sucks that ashe is a villain 😔

[peak escarp]

nope, there's lots

[radiant pagoda]

Tracers gay

😐

She also caught you staring

[mossy hamlet]

what does any of that mean

that’s like

that’s like me levels of incoherent

[peak escarp]

yes Tracer is gay

so is Soldier

[worthy rose]

Zarya VS rammetra, that would be a fight to see

[karmic dagger]

im confused

is this you guys made it up or is it really the lore?

not complaining btw, those girls can be lesbians all they want.

[peak escarp]

this is from the comic Reflections, released December 2016

[worthy rose]

Jk lol

[peak escarp]

it's part of canon

have another one

[ivory garnet]

canon, we see emily in a bunch of comics and even in the Zero Hour cinematic

[peak escarp]

Emily and Lena are such a cute couple

[ivory garnet]

would be cool if they confirm the mercy x genji

i mean the implications are there

[peak escarp]

it basically is confirmed

no other heroes have Valentines interactions

[ivory garnet]

thats true

[worthy rose]

Yeah exactly

[ivory garnet]

i’d just like to see on how everything happens. like did they live together during the blank time period of no overwatch?

[karmic dagger]

awww thats cute

[worthy rose]

As far as I know Lena and Emily basically got all smoochy and cozy after overwatch fell apart

[teal pecan]

True

[worthy rose]

Basically hangin' in London

[teal pecan]

I'm wondering what's Emilys opinion on tracer rejoining

[worthy rose]

Probably worried about her

[ivory garnet]

Zenyatta will become more important in lore with the edition of Ramattra into the game

[peak escarp]

probably

[teal pecan]

Let's go

[peak escarp]

we already know that Zenyatta will appear in the story

[ivory garnet]

yeah

[worthy rose]

Imagine the timeline and lore mess blizzard must figure out everytime they add a new hero

[teal pecan]

Imagine if zen started the omnics crisis but wiped his memory out of guilt

[peak escarp]

I would hope they have it all written down somewhere

(if not I do, and they're welcome to use it)

[ivory garnet]

do we also know if Genji’s nomad skin is canon to the lore? As if he went on missions in the middle east?

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen him wearing an outfit like that

[teal pecan]

It'd be cool but I imagine it's just fan service

[peak escarp]

but he did spend a lot of time wandering before he met Zenyatta

[molten shore]

Whoah what's that from

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/lRj-GotnNaQ

[ivory garnet]

i mean Mercy witch skin is canon, so its a big possibility that Genji may have used the nomad skin at some time

[peak escarp]

this panel shows a LOT about the PvE section of the game

[worthy rose]

So basically genji went wandering the world trying to find himself and then he met Zen

[teal pecan]

When's pve come out again?

[peak escarp]

2023

[ivory garnet]

sometime next year

[teal pecan]

Didn't they say six months after realise?

[ivory garnet]

i figure they’re just touching up some parts rn

[teal pecan]

So in about 3-4 months

[peak escarp]

they didn't specify when

[molten shore]

Do we know us pve gonna be like the black watch and other missions just more stuff or it's own thing

[worthy rose]

I'm excited for the PvE, but I know I'm gonna have to pay out the ass for it lol

[ivory garnet]

its own thing

[teal pecan]

It's own thing apartnly

With rouge like mechanics

[peak escarp]

watch the panel and you'll see what it's like

[worthy rose]

Panel?

[ivory garnet]

yeah, they shouldve just made ow2 not free and have the PvE come out on launch for free if u buy the game

[peak escarp]

the one I linked above

[teal pecan]

BlizzCon bro

[worthy rose]

Ah

[ivory garnet]

ngl, im kind of amazed by how badly Hanzo destroyed Genji

[teal pecan]

I want mauga as a tank

[teal pecan]

Ehhhhh

[ivory garnet]

like looking at Genji’s blackwatch skin, its actually sad

[worthy rose]

Yeah but that would have pissed alot of ow1 players off, they would have lost alot of players if they basically said you have to buy the game again if you want to keep playing

[teal pecan]

Yeah hanzos not weak bro

[ivory garnet]

never said he was nor believed to be, but jesus.

[teal pecan]

Pve is aledgedly not free

[worthy rose]

It isn't

[ivory garnet]

prolly costing $15 per mission

[peak escarp]

there's no point in worrying about that now

we won't know for a few months

[teal pecan]

But I want to worry warlord

[peak escarp]

don't worry be happy

[ivory garnet]

due to the implication made by Ashe, guessing Bob ripped Cass’s left arm off?

[teal pecan]

That's be dope af

[peak escarp]

no, he didn't

[ivory garnet]

how did he lose it?

[peak escarp]

we don't know

but it wasn't Bob

[ivory garnet]

alright, so Im guessing it may have happened between recall and zero hour

[teal pecan]

Recall an zero hour?

[peak escarp]

it happened between the fall of Overwatch and present day

[ivory garnet]

cinematics

[peak escarp]

so in the last 5 years

[ivory garnet]

is his sandstorm skin canon? as he wore something similar to when he met with Ana

[peak escarp]

he did

[teal pecan]

I'm guessing It may be a talon related issue but one can only hope

[ivory garnet]

possible mission with Reinhardt, Torb, Brig, and Bastion

[peak escarp]

yep

[ivory garnet]

very cool how they’ll be bringing bastion into it

yeah i was abt to send that

[peak escarp]

the first meeting between Reinhardt and Bastion is a little... tense

[ivory garnet]

wonder how it will play out tho

theres tons of interactions that will be tense and possible change the story

[peak escarp]

Torb probably steps in to calm things down

[ivory garnet]

like Zenyatta and Ramattra interacting

Baptiste and Mauga possibly interacting

and Ramattra may try to turn Bastion against humans

if they ever meet

[worthy rose]

@peak escarp, I watched that video, the PvE looks amazing, weather, different times of the day, etc.

That's more of what I've wanted in ow

Things that make the game more immersive and realistic

[teal pecan]

The pve looks great an typically blizzard does a good job of these things

[worthy rose]

Yeah but not so well at balancing PvP

[past copper]

Maybe, but I defy you to name ☝️ game with balanced PvP

Blizzard really isn’t the first to have issues with that

Eh, but what can you do? At least the story, hopefully, will make up for it

[worthy rose]

Yeah but I don't think I've seen any gaming company struggle with balancing as much as Blizzard

Things are either OP, or unviable to play unless you're very tactical in how you play them

Still the PvE looks amazing, I'm very much looking forward to it

I hope they don't just simply have story missions based in the present in the game, if they did something like revamping the archives missions that would be amazing

It would make explaining the lore of the game easier as well

Because it wouldn't just be peicing together a puzzle through comics, shorts, etc to understand the past events of the game anymore

You could understand the lore of the game by playing missions that the heros of the game were part of

I think the past events of the game need to be explained in a more transparent way, one that removes all the mystery and controversy

Alot of things surrounding heros are vague or simply not explained by the lore, which leads alot of people to speculate

[peak escarp]

the mystery is what makes it interesting

it'd be boring if they just answered every question

[worthy rose]

True, but I think now that ow2 has came out I think they need to explain events in a more defined way

Mystery is fine in amounts, but I think currently there is too much speculation

@peak escarp what if you could play the mission where solider raided the facility to steal his pulse rifle, or the mission where Ashe and Cree showed down

Things like that, I'm not saying they have to explain everything

Just more clearly define important events like that

[past copper]

Well, they plan to move the game forward

Which means things from the past are irrelevant

[worthy rose]

Doing this would definitely do that

[peak escarp]

all the missions are 4 player

so those examples wouldn't work

[worthy rose]

Yeah your right

Why not just add a single player mode too?

[peak escarp]

they can show those events through external lore, like comics and shorts

[past copper]

Yea. Plus, the game is gonna look like 1 tank, 2 dps, and 1 support

But I’m basing that on the demo

[peak escarp]

so far, every Story mission has been 4 player with at least 1 support

[past copper]

It may change between tank and dps tho

[peak escarp]

a tank isn't required

[worthy rose]

Being able to play through the events where Rein was part of the defense of eichenwald as a single player would be fun

[past copper]

Like how it was 3 dps and 1 support on Retribution

[worthy rose]

Personally I think adding all that in a single player mode is totally viable

[peak escarp]

Overwatch is a multiplayer game at its core

[past copper]

But it depends. New OW has a fair number of heroes for each mission

[peak escarp]

I don't see them adding a single-player mode

[worthy rose]

Well maybe they should, would a great way for people to take a break from comp and all that

[past copper]

For example. It seemed to be Genji, Winston, and Zen on the India map we saw

And I think Zarya too?

[peak escarp]

and why wouldn't a 4-player mode be a good break from comp?

[past copper]

1-player would ruin the core experience of the team player

[worthy rose]

Because maybe your teammates are still doing the same shit?

Not listening to you, and going in solo like it's cod

[past copper]

And playing without a team would be better how?

[peak escarp]

then get better teammates

[worthy rose]

I'm just saying it would give them a good choice to explain the lore better, and also give people an engaging mode to play without all the drama of multiplayer

[past copper]

1st by your logic, that means playing with AI as teammates, which games aren’t really doing anymore 2nd playing solo ruins any chances of playing with other players in anything because you aren’t used to playing with real people

That’s just how I see it anyway

[worthy rose]

Perhaps

Still, I think it would give people a good break, like if they were raging due to comp or something, they could just play a single player story mission

@past copper tbh I don't see the validity in your 2nd point, I've always found single player games more immersive and engaging, the problem with games purely PvP oriented is they are unbalanced by nature

Every COD game ever, even as much as they increasingly gear the new games towards PvP they still have a story mode

[peak escarp]

COD isn't a team-based game

[worthy rose]

True

[past copper]

COD isn’t the best example

Maybe Fortnite? Team battle?

Idk

[worthy rose]

But my point is they have found grounds to have multi-player and single player modes in the game

[past copper]

Well, sorry to say, but Overwatch isn’t single player

It’s core is to be a team game

[worthy rose]

Just because ow has been purely multi-player oriented in thr past doesn't mean it has to be in the future

[past copper]

And if people have issues with players being better, blame them or yourself, but don’t blame the game

[worthy rose]

Okay well I still think my points are an idea to be considered, but noone agrees

So I'll leave it at that

[peak escarp]

it doesn't matter what we think, if Blizzard wants to make a single-player campaign they will

but there's no indication that they want to

[past copper]

They won’t. But there’s a reason they have customs

Bc you done have to have players in those

[worthy rose]

I grew up on single player games lol, Skyrim, Pokémon, Minecraft, etc.

My first gaming device was an Nintendo DS lite

[peak escarp]

so have I

and if I wanted a single-player game, I'd play one of those

[past copper]

And when PvE drops, I’ll bet you can have Custom games where you can battle Enemies

[peak escarp]

I play Overwatch to play with my friends

[past copper]

Either with or without a team

[worthy rose]

Honestly I think there's more enjoyment to be had in single player games, the industry seems to be increasingly gearing towards multi-player, which would be fine, if it didn't present all the issues with gambling aspects, purchased content, etc.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy playing this game, but It's very frustrating at times

[past copper]

The problem is this. These days, eingle-player requires building a whole world adventure to entertain the player. Ex. Jedi Fallen Order, COD, Elden Ring etc.

[worthy rose]

Honestly I remember the Gen V Pokémon games, I spent over 600 hours playing Pokémon white 2

It was alot of fun

[past copper]

But with multi-player, the world doesn’t have to be as big. Just maintained in a single map environment for people to play together. Overwatch, Fortnite, Apex etc.

[worthy rose]

I don't think the game has to be a whole world adventure to entertain people, I think they have simply forgotten what kind of content made older games enjoyable

[past copper]

Though, it may also be whichever type gains more revenue

[worthy rose]

Well I can't argue with that

[past copper]

No offense to people who play single-player games, but the thing about those is that they don’t always get content or expansions and it starts to lose player revenue

But the same cannot be said of multiplayer games

[worthy rose]

That's the core problem, it's more about money then the gaming experience these days

The entire point of gaming is for it to be fun, look at all the arguments in general or serious chat, I don't think they are having much fun in the game rn

If players are just mad all the time, and not enjoying themselves, it defeats the entire point of gaming

[past copper]

😒 not the best example since most of the complaints are over spending money

[worthy rose]

Not really

[past copper]

Anyone who’s read up on Blizz since 2021 know the reasons behind that, but we’re not getting into that

[worthy rose]

A fair amount of them are, but alot of them are complaints about this hero or that hero

[past copper]

In fact, this whole conversation is no longer lore discussion

I say end it now

[worthy rose]

Yes you're right

I didn't even realize lol

I kinda get into a conversation and get lost in it haha

Well anyways I'm out, have a good night

[past copper]

I’m just gonna say this and leave it. Ever since 2021, Blizz has had… troubles. Hence the reason behind issues in OW2. Shop prices and server problems

[split granite]

Hello lore enthusiasts

[ivory garnet]

Blizzard 99% wont add single player missions. Theres no reason to do so, and in every instance in the comics, theres atleast a group battle. Blizzard has always stuck with 4 players aswell,,,Retribution and Storm Rising,,,only reason you’d do single player is to do stealth, which isnt possible in overwatch

[brisk moon]

Single player Overwatch mode don’t sound that bad actually

[ivory garnet]

its not possible for any scenario and nor is it blizzard’s type

[brisk moon]

Oh really? Nvm then

[ivory garnet]

they can MAYBE do a solo mission with soldier since he can heal himself, but then again, blizzard doesnt do 1 person stuff for mostly any of their games

[keen summit]

Soldier also fits solo mission most in lore but i'd see it being in that case like not solo but you start of all split up say woth ana

Kinda like the start for halloween event

But soldier does stuff on his own so he fots it, also hero missions might be single Player

[keen summit]

Thats aldo false with in every instance in comics

Vaat majority arent group battles in comics

Cass comic, rein comic, torb comic etc etc

In comics most battles are solo

Sometimes 2 and rarely more. Only a few have group ones

So look through the comics again and tell me most are group battles

Even in cinematics most are 1vX

[gloomy orchid]

does anyone know what happens if you buy the watchpoint pack and already have the battle pass?

[keen summit]

But lots are possible in that scenario though. Main ones that come to mind are hanzo,. Kiriko, soldier, ana, hammond,

[keen summit]

You get everything else

You dont get compensated im 99.9% sure

Cuz you also dont get compensated for having the skins already

[gloomy orchid]

ok tx i have only the pass so its ok i think

[keen summit]

In short thatll be 10 euros wasted if you bought watchpoint

[gloomy orchid]

ok

[keen summit]

These all do things on their own, even zen and few others fit this

[golden steppe]

how do sigma feet not get cold

and why is he barefoot

[dreamy epoch]

I believe it's due to asylum subjects not being allowed to wear shoes to deter self harm

and as to why he's barefoot I just don't think he's really that aware of it

he is floating after all

man
this character is so cool

he probably gets cold just like others

[keen summit]

he just doesnt care

you also get used to cold faster with barefoot

[primal sphinx]

Plus he has those cool half sock things and who would want to hide that

[mossy hamlet]

okay fair

[wise tulip]

i love orisa’s character development

really matches her new kit

[lean stag]

anyone got the rewards?

[mossy hamlet]

#overwatch-serious

come on dude

[worldly hawk]

Guys did you see the new anime short of Kiriko?
It's so cool & cute.

[worthy rose]

what short

[grand wedge]

https://vxtwitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1593668054919045122

[rocky lynx]

Still pretty new to Overwatch so,

what the fuck happened to Australia?

[native thistle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[grand wedge]

There was an omnium (factory that build omnics) in the outback. Then the Crisis happened (omnic vs humans). When the war ended, the Australian gvt decided to give the omnics the Omnium. But the people who were living in the outback (like Roadhog) had fought against the omnics in the war, and didn't want that. So they blew up the omnium, and it radiated the whole zone. But they decided to build Junkertown on the ruins of the omnium regardless.

[rocky lynx]

Ah, alrighty, thanks mate!

[barren pivot]

Hey so we don't have like a character specific channel right so this isn't really a lore question

But with Moira's abundance of anime references, like DBZ, Naruto, and then the Akira spray

Is anyone familiar with Tokyo Ghoul

Cuz I like to think that her new obsession with centipedes is probably a Tokyo ghoul thing

[ivory garnet]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClHOfUFp7Mj/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

very cool how Kiriko got her kunai from genji

[worldly hawk]

Yes it's so cute.
I would like to see more of their friendship

[lean stag]

did you guys got the owl rewards?

[uneven isle]

Not all of them no. but thats a question for #overwatch-serious. this is lore channel

[pure hatch]

im not racist but if i were in the OW world i would be racist to some goofy ahh robot looking like zenyatta

[peak escarp]

rude

[worthy rose]

Robophobia

[pure hatch]

i would kill his nutcracker skins and then gobble his nuts

[drifting viper]

[surreal bramble]

??

[worthy rose]

can reaper canonically die

[vagrant nymph]

Isn't reaper a dude in a skeleton cosplay

[vagrant nymph]

Look at his butt

He's def showing us for free

[golden steppe]

Ooh ok

[peak escarp]

probably

but not easily

[ivory garnet]

he isnt invincible so yeah, he can die

[peak escarp]

his wraith form seems to be something he has to intentionally do

[iron sail]

Who has the biggest cup size in overwatch yall think

[limpid agate]

Excluding non humans.

Doomfist

[vivid raft]

id say junker queen

[iron sail]

Reasonable

[surreal bramble]

Junker queen

[surreal bramble]

Not easily but yes same as tracer

[worthy rose]

Reaper canonically has the most deaths of all the chars

[surreal bramble]

He got fried by Winston’s electricity thingy

And was able to come back

[worthy rose]

what qualifies as death

[worthy rose]

All the current cells in the body dying

so hes constantly dying

Yep

Dying to him is like breathing

i think death would be on a conscience level

[ivory garnet]

dying is a soul not being able to adapt to a body or dispersing. Reaper isnt constantly dying, he’s just constantly getting hurt.

[worthy rose]

Reaper's cells pretty much in a state of constant flux

Cells are constantly dying and dividing creating new ones in every living thing, when things age and die it's because the rate of cellular division slows down until it stops, and the organism dies

Well then

Reaper is constantly on the brink of death

Reaper's cells are just constantly phasing between solid and nonsolid states, which would explain why he can enter wraith mode

[worthy rose]

Pretty much

So you could only imagine all the pain he's constantly in

Mhm

Which would drive anyone insane, not suprising he became psychotic

Kinda feel bad for reaper

There was a voiceline between moira and reaper in ow1, basically reaper tells moira how he's constantly in excruciating pain, and moira being moira said no need to thank me I only saved your life

Which was undoubtedly just another experiment for her, reaper's state is probably just an earlier and less perfected version of Moira's fade

[ivory garnet]

moira doesnt care for anyone and only cares for her expirements

in the voicelines Mercy said that she wont give up on him, but he wishes she would stop

it show thats even when Reaper despises all of Overwatch

Mercy still wants to help him

[worthy rose]

Well I suppose that's from Mercy's background as a doctor and surgeon, she feels empathy for those in pain or for those suffering

Hardly ever would someone in her line of work not feel empathy, because they would be blinded to the pain of others and wouldn't feel the need to help

Moira on the other hand only cares about scientific advancement at any cost, she has no empathy, only a need to fulfill her ambitions

Moira also blinded by her own personal biases and doesn't see the hubris in her own actions caused by her own views

@ivory garnet Would you agree with this assessment?

[ivory garnet]

yeah. Its just nice that even though she knows Reyes is the enemy, she still wants to help him. Moira on the other hand is only in Talon because they allow her to do her expirements, and she doesnt not care if anyone gets hurt during them. Its only for her to explore the wonders of the universe with the science behind it. As thats why Mercy disliked Moira’s line of work. Due to her only caring about her expirements and knowledge

[worthy rose]

Yeah in a ow1 vl between the two Moira offers Mercy to join her and her colleagues at Oasis. "Mercy responds by saying no thank you. You and you're colleagues discredit the field of science I want nothing to do with it."

Basically Mercy shot back at Moira about the ethical implications in what they are doing

That she won't have any part in it

[clear umbra]

hey does junkrat and junkerqueen have a relation ship?

[narrow fox]

Cuse me what lol

[peak escarp]

they do not

[clear umbra]

ok

i meant like know eachother

[peak escarp]

they do know each other

[worthy rose]

Yeah but their relationship less then friendly

[desert yacht]

it's worth stating that queen likes hog though

just disappointed that he went off with junkrat

[surreal bramble]

Well he was one of her many colleagues from Overwatch

[noble coral]

wait roadhog is gay

[peak escarp]

no

[surreal bramble]

Only gay characters in ow is soldier and tracer

[limpid agate]

Only gay heroes, yes

[worthy rose]

they should add me to ow

then theres 3

[neat peak]

What is the best place to learn abt lore? Preferably video

[limpid agate]

!!lorevideo

[twilit nacelle]

Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2MLHkEU

For Cinematic Shorts, use !!loreShorts
For other videos, use !!loreVideos

[limpid agate]

Use the commands in #bot-commands

[worthy rose]

Soldier is gay? w0t

Symmetra is also autistic apparently fun fact

[surreal bramble]

Mhmm

Been since like a few months into ow1

Or a year

[worthy rose]

Thats weird I never knew

[raven mesa]

Is sigma’s barrier ability canon or just gameplay?

[sullen raptor]

Imo i dont think hes openly gay plus hes more focused on being a soldier/overwatch agent

Even when hes old, hes like "retire? Whats that?"

[prisma prairie]

its his thirst for vengance

[sullen raptor]

Could be canon..i mean the barrier kinda like hard light(?) Shield tech symettra use

Think its in the comic, symmetra uses that barrier

[raven mesa]

So it would be canon then

[sullen raptor]

Would be

[summer widget]

so when soldier kills sojourn he says something about her testifying against OW

[surreal bramble]

Hes probably referring to the law that was placed against them

[prisma prairie]

so whats up with baptiste and talon

he was former member

then what

[desert yacht]

realized that talon was evil and decided he'd rather be on the hunt for the rest of his life than serve them

[drifting viper]

yeah

which other members testified against overwatch

[solar sedge]

‘that’s for testifying against overwatch’

[frosty gale]

is the cyber genji skin canon?

[grand wedge]

no

[dreamy epoch]

wasn't sure if this was true but what happened to the little lore blurbs on the actually canon skins

[frosty gale]

i was also wondering that

[solid sonnet]

same, i kinda miss them

[grand wedge]

they just removed it - and they also removed the biographies on the website

[dreamy epoch]

me when i remove something for no discernible reason

😱

[hard agate]

hanzo

[sweet mason]

mercy actually takes fat peen and it really is cannon

[whole cedar]

same

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @sweet mason

[twilit nacelle]

@sweet mason Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worldly hawk]

Guys I still don't know why Kiriko is in her early's 20 and in the new anime short she looks a little bit younger than Genji lol

[peak escarp]

you mean when they're kids?

Kiriko looks like she's 5 and Genji is definitely a teenager

[uneven isle]

I’d say he looked 13 or 14

[worldly hawk]

Yes

[peak escarp]

that's still almost a 10 year difference

[worldly hawk]

At least she could have been 25 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But anyway

We can't do anything lol

[surreal bramble]

Sometimes I wonder what it’d be like if blizzard went with the idea of hanzo and Genji being the same character

Like how would that fit in

[worldly hawk]

Yeah it would be different the story , character, and gameplay

[dusk ruin]

welp, a friend told me they were actually the same character, but then blizzard cancelled it

[surreal bramble]

Yeah that’s what I said

[surreal bramble]

It’s interesting because which of their abilities would it have?

A bow as primary?

A deflect?

Throwing star secondary?

[static linden]

ehh,, too much thought. although they'd be the same character they wouldn't have the saem abilities aas the hanzo and genji we have now

[worldly hawk]

Hmmmm I think a big ligh arrow for his ultimate. Lol

[surreal bramble]

Wasn’t Genji a melee primary hero in development?

[peak escarp]

his primary weapon was his sword

and he could stick to walls

[surreal bramble]

That sounds

Fun asf

[worthy rose]

I think Genji and Hanzo were originally planned to be one hero in the development stage, but they made them into two

[wise valley]

I think that's right, but don't quote me.

[peak escarp]

it is

that's what we were talking about

[blissful lichen]

Ok, why am I low-key obsessed with symmetras backstory?

Like the fact she used to be a person who was in major poverty then became one of the worlds best architectures.

[marsh loom]

if i wach Calling All Heroes: Challengers Cup - Qualifier 2 [Day 2] does i get tokens?

[mossy hamlet]

#overwatch-serious

[summer tulip]

Seems like no, because thete isnt the diamond icon

[split granite]

Hello lore enthusiasts

[eternal copper]

hello Arandom

[drifting viper]

hello

[past copper]

Gotta say, even in concept art, Ramattra looks sick

[limpid agate]

Where is this from

[past copper]

He’s gonna make a great villain

[limpid agate]

Did I miss a blog post

[past copper]

Found it on Twitter recently myself last night. I didn’t even know he had any art shown yet

But apparently it was revealed around the 16th I think?

[limpid agate]

The only source I see is Naeri

Who isnt a source

Wonder if its just fan art

[opaque tundra]

There was some Korean panel a while back. It could be from that?

[past copper]

If it’s fan art, it’s pretty damn good

[opaque tundra]

It looks official

[past copper]

But I think it’s too detailed to just be fan art

The Korean panel does seem to get first look at things from Overwatch

Which is where Naeri gets most of their stuff for Overwatch

[peak escarp]

Cavalry posted it too, and they don't usually post things uncredited

[still shale]

Viktor is that you

Still no image perms 🤯

[worthy rose]

is there a canonical reason as to why matchmaking is so horseshit

[surreal bramble]

I pray he has good skins

[elder wasp]

Only place I've managed to find it is here: https://twitter.com/OverwatchCaval/status/1592168945850933249
They say it is "Official Concept art" but the Chinese site that they link to does not include the picture ...

Overwatch Cavalry 🇬🇧 (@OverwatchCaval)

Check out the Official Concept Art for Ramattra in #Overwatch2 🎨

Ramattra has two forms, Omnic Form and Nemisis Form - each with a distinctive design. He's also said to be receiving a Poseidon skin in the future 🔱

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[mossy hamlet]

poseidon

[dense nebula]

Can’t believe he’s getting a Richard Epcar skin

[noble pendant]

Cap

[past copper]

If he is getting a Poseidon, bet he gone look like robot Jason Mamoa

Seriously tho, think hard bout kinda skins he can get in epic and legendary

They get like 3 legendary skins and 2 epics. I think?

My first bet for a skin? Sorcerer

[noble pendant]

Sounds like a Halloween skin they'd give him

I bet one of them is gonna be a lore skin, like the "Factory New" skin or something.

And then a recolour for it

Then the second one might be a little more wacky

Like an RGB-light skin

[dense nebula]

Tell me you at least get the joke

[mossy hamlet]

I thought it was 4 legendariws

legendaries

but like now it seems like they’re doing 2

and one epic skin

well the epics are kind of inconsistent

[surreal bramble]

So ram will get a Christmas skin?

[limpid agate]

Possibly

No way of knowing

Some heroes got Winter skins in their first winter

Some didnt

[raven mesa]

He should have a skin like that

His staff is replaced with a trident

[past copper]

Hmm. I can’t see Ramattra Christmas skin

Depends on what Christmas/Winter icon hasn’t been done yet

Maybe a Jack Frost Ramattra? Or one of the ghosts from A Christmas Carol?

[obsidian bay]

Torb mains have big pp

[past copper]

Good for you. Not lore

[worthy rose]

Yeah me when I solo kill a hog as torb

[limpid agate]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

Ik

[limpid agate]

Then dont shitpost.

[worthy rose]

I want another winter skin for mercy

[limpid agate]

@past copper Its pretty easy to give him any kind of holiday skin. The silhouette is staff and cloak

[worthy rose]

I'm sorry

[surreal bramble]

He could be Jack Frost

[limpid agate]

But story wise

There is no reason for him to have one because he wouldn't celebrate Christmas

[worthy rose]

I just want a new winter skin for mercy tbh

[past copper]

Personally, kinda think it be difficult to think of skins of characters with a staff and cloak

[worthy rose]

I don't mind that idea

[junior zephyr]

When is rammatra supposed to come out

[past copper]

Ghost of Christmas Future Ramattra

[worthy rose]

I think mercy skins based around the same idea as they always have been, I'd like to see them add something new with a skin for her

[past copper]

the irony being he’s a robot from the future

[worthy rose]

@peak escarp is there a short for Sojourn yet?

[limpid agate]

No.

There was one that they made

[worthy rose]

A shame.

[limpid agate]

But they havent released it yet

[peak escarp]

we know there is one coming

but we don't know when

[limpid agate]

Which is particularly frustrating because they have used the short in promotional footage

[worthy rose]

Yeah you think they would have put that out there at launch

I mean Kiriko had a short before the ow1 servers closed

Kiriko got leaked, but they took down her short quickly lol

Funny thing is, adding a fox hero into the game was an idea I had for awhile lol

But I suppose the Blizzard developers are quite busy, they have to prioritize what to add into the game next

[surreal bramble]

Dec 9

Hear me out, we replace dva with king and overlord

[past copper]

No. Dec 6

[surreal bramble]

Ah

That’s three days after my bday

[ivory garnet]

that would make no sense lorewise, D.VA literally just got recruited into overwatch. They would just add another MEKA into the game

Kiriko and Genji future interaction will be quite sad tbh

[surreal bramble]

It’s for balancing

They can just say she died or something

[ivory garnet]

they arent goingto kill off someone who just joined overwatch

and they would just balance her

[surreal bramble]

Instead of nerfing Genji

Lets just kill dva

Oh and mei

[ivory garnet]

head of science? no

no reason they would kill anyone

especially before the 2nd omnic crisis

D.VA shouldve definitely died in her cinematic

but plot

[summer widget]

do you think sojourn tesified against jesse mcree?

[ivory garnet]

for what reason?

[surreal bramble]

I’m joking my cheeks off btw

[ivory garnet]

i know, just saying the logic behind it

[surreal bramble]

I’d much rather we get the full team of meka

[ivory garnet]

both of those heroes are pure aids in the game tho

[surreal bramble]

Except king

Because his mech is super similar to dva’s

Except there’s more missles

[ivory garnet]

ye

[surreal bramble]

Overlord and casino would be good

The other two idk

They seem lame

[sharp trench]

how strong is rein wtf

he can jump into the air like that

[surreal bramble]

He’s like

Probably

Fifth strongest

[peak escarp]

no

that's just rule of cool

[past copper]

I mean. He did drop outta the airship like a freaking nuke

You gotta wonder how tough that suit is to protect him from a 50 foot fall?

Even if his shield took the full force of the landing

[sharp trench]

he’s gotta be the absolute strongest if he’s able to physically jump 60-70 feet into the fucking while wielding a giant half a ton hammer and wearing a suit that probably weighs around one or two tons

[surreal bramble]

And he’s old as shit now

[past copper]

Hey, gotta give Rein this. He knows how to make a superhero landing 🤣

[torn elm]

And he’s loud

[rose dagger]

and he has a hammer and shield

[torn elm]

PREPARE DE HAMMER

[velvet nacelle]

Lore still exists?

[ivory garnet]

more focused than ever, its better than the actual game

[velvet nacelle]

Not a big bar to pass

[grand wedge]

Rein armor isn’t a simple armor.

[worthy rose]

Doomfist X Sombra

[opaque scroll]

Where the heck is this from?

[late zodiac]

i think from the OW2 shortcut from years ago

[opaque scroll]

Shortcut?

[late zodiac]

yeha, in Rio with Lucio

it was shown in a Blizzcon or sthing

[elder wasp]

He has a rocket engine on his back

[velvet nacelle]

Symmetra knows she's evil right?

[velvet nacelle]

Damn

[surreal bramble]

She’s neutral

Like hanzo

[velvet nacelle]

I don't think there's neutral when you're part of a corrupt company that oppresses people

Isn't hanzo a gang member?

[surreal bramble]

Former

[velvet nacelle]

Damn jobless

[surreal bramble]

Also

Yes

You can

Vishcar or however it’s spelt has done good and bad

Their grey

[velvet nacelle]

No you can't. If you don't do anything you're evil too. Either leave or fight them.

Vishcar is evil

It's literally the generic evil company

(it's blizzard)

[surreal bramble]

A evil company that’s done good things following the omnic crisis via their tech

[velvet nacelle]

So they're evil

It's not like they helped the people that they stole from as far as I know

And companies in general are evil

Cool pfp tho

[surreal bramble]

They don’t

But hey

India is safe

[velvet nacelle]

It's basically coca cola

Haha yay I love coca cola yay christmas (please don't look up our actual personal army)

[surreal bramble]

I doubt Coca Cola has a personal military

Pepsi would

[velvet nacelle]

Haha

Yeah...they don't

For sure

[surreal bramble]

Pepsi was given military assets by Russia tho

Coca Cola? No it’d get took by the us government

Same happened with Pepsi

[iron osprey]

Vishkar isn’t straight up evil they’re just greedy and suck

[velvet nacelle]

I'm not very christian but greed is a literal sin

[dense nebula]

Well this is just a dumb statement

[sharp trench]

that only propels him forward, unless the thrust can change directio

[dense nebula]

Another dumb statement

[velvet nacelle]

Why

[dense nebula]

But yeah, Symmetra truly believes she’s good

And she has helped people before

She isn’t even aware of the more shady stuff Vishkar is doing

[velvet nacelle]

Symmetra is a hypocrit then

[dense nebula]

Bruh

So stubborn in your ways

[velvet nacelle]

Uh ok then

I thought she knew

My bad then

[peak escarp]

Vishkar builds neighbourhoods and other buildings that do help people

[surreal bramble]

^

[peak escarp]

they just do it in a way that is oppressive and is typical corporate stuff

[surreal bramble]

They do good

[peak escarp]

they do good in bad ways

[desert yacht]

ends justify the means type of mfs

[surreal bramble]

India is a utopia by what we’ve seen

[peak escarp]

not all of it

[desert yacht]

surely one of their high ranking officials does not serve another ‘ends justify the means’ type organization

[iron plume]

well, outwardly anyway
but outwardly so is Rio

[worthy rose]

Like Elon Musk

[peak escarp]

has he done anything good?

[worthy rose]

Probably not tbh

Like the latest twitter fiaso but I'm getting political so I'll stop

But I agree vishkar's vision isn't bad they about about it in a forceful eay typical of corporations

[iron plume]

I'd argue their vision is being corporate masters in forceful control

and the "improvements" are just window dressing to make themselves feel good

and the public/politicians

[worthy rose]

You're probably right tbh

But that's corporations for you, they are in it to make money, lots of it

[peak escarp]

their vision of a perfect world is one that's orderly and controlled

[worthy rose]

Basically

[peak escarp]

unfortunately real life isn't like that

it's messy and chaotic

[iron plume]

fortunately I'd say lol

[worthy rose]

I've been keeping up on business news lately, this conversation seemed too good not to comment on

[iron plume]

but anyway
I get a heavy feeling that we might see a "company not bad, actually" moment in the form of:
Symmetra realizing what Vishkar stands for, being disappointed
Discovering that the original founder genuinely wanted to make things better but then the company drifted or was pushed away from it

[peak escarp]

and from a business/legal standpoint, Vishkar didn't steal Lucio's father's sonic tech - they owned the patent for it

Lucio is the thief

[worthy rose]

Yeah vishkar's vision is flawed and unrealistic, it's focused on something that is just not in reality the way of the world

[worthy rose]

Lucio doesn't see it that way, he feels he's justified, symmetra comments that his father was a vishkar employee

In an ow1 vl between the two

[iron plume]

well yes
Legality isn't morality

also, like
fuck em

[worthy rose]

Want my opinion? Just fuck multinationals in general lol

Vishkar is holding a massive global monopoly, kinda like Microsoft, etc today

In my opinion Vishkar just represents what is going on America alot rn, a corporation with too much money and influence, they just basically make up their own morality and say fuck legality

There's no checks and balances, so they can basically do what they want with all the influence and capital they have.
This is what Lucio is fighting, he sees himself as a patriot

@peak escarp @iron plume would you agree or no?

[peak escarp]

something like that

I don't think Lucio sees himself as a patriot though

[worthy rose]

Well he stands up for people

[peak escarp]

he's not fighting for his country, he's fighting for his neighbourhood

his immediate community

[worthy rose]

Yeah which is still patriotism

Doesn't have to be for your country it can just be your community as well

[peak escarp]

pretty sure the definition of patriotism is "pride in one's country"

[worthy rose]

Ok wrong word, but I can't think of a better one

You get what I'm aiming at

[peak escarp]

yeah

[worthy rose]

Honestly I don't think patriotism has to be pride in one's country, it can also be pride for one's community who's own beliefs is in line with the ideals prevalent in a country

Fighting for ideals your countrymen strongly believe in

That's how I look at it as an American

Honestly I think it's a word who's true meaning has been preverted

[clever abyss]

Crazy how doomfist is insane in lore and dies instantly in game

[worthy rose]

I'll word it like this Lucio feels patriotic about his own community

[surreal bramble]

This

He’s like

Third or fourth strongest

[peak escarp]

6th

[dense nebula]

I can’t remember number five I know:

1. Sigma
2. Symmetra
3. Winston
4. Orisa

[peak escarp]

I originally had Doomfist at 5th, but I changed my mind and put Reaper there

[surreal bramble]

Reaper should be higher tbh

Him and soldier

[peak escarp]

they're not stronger than a genetically enhanced gorilla and an omnic

[velvet nacelle]

I hope we get a greek hero

[mossy hamlet]

ok should symmetra be here? it’s only her tech that’s so strong

and it’s not even hers specifically

[peak escarp]

the list is for heroes as a whole

[mossy hamlet]

I see

[clever abyss]

Is it cool if i put Genji at my top 5?

[peak escarp]

you can make whatever list you want

but objectively, Genji is not that strong

[ivory garnet]

Genji is at the midpoint

[surreal bramble]

Reaper had Winston on the ground stressing in almost every cinematic they fight in

Winston won from smarts

[peak escarp]

Winston smashed Reaper in both encounters

there's a lot of ways to measure "strength"

which is why I hate when people keep asking who is the strongest/most powerful

most powerful how?

politically? Doomfist, maybe Sombra
Physically? Orisa or Winston
Intelligence? Sigma or Winston
Tactically? Reaper

every hero is good at something, that's why they're heroes

[mossy hamlet]

Mei is good at nothing

she has zero lore influence

[ripe stratus]

😂

[mossy hamlet]

she exists purely to satiate the Chinese market

[ripe stratus]

She is a good scientist

[worthy rose]

And yet people constantly complaining about Mei lol

Mei has a good lore story tho

[tender vigil]

there's lore to this game?

[peak escarp]

Mei exists to show the climate crisis (that has been somewhat forgotten)

if she was just there to please the Chinese market, they would have made her a cooler character

contrary to popular belief, the game designers don't cater to China

[worthy rose]

The devs are US based, which for obvious reasons they wouldn't have biases in favor of China

[peak escarp]

the corporate side, sure

but not the game devs

[worthy rose]

corporate lore

Corporations are so zzzzz

i agree

Money this, money that, that's all they understand and care about

true

[peak escarp]

but anyway

[worthy rose]

Can you pull up the lore stories for Mei for me?

I want to reread them again

[peak escarp]

she just has Rise and Shine, and her journal

[worthy rose]

You can just DM those to me

If you would

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/19942649/

[worthy rose]

Mei Ling Zhou

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/8tjcm_kI0n0

[worthy rose]

Thanks

[peak escarp]

Mei is one of the 4 Overwatch heroes with a doctorate

[worthy rose]

@peak escarp wow that was a great short, pretty sad but it sad a sense of hope at the end

#snowball give me my socks back

[mossy hamlet]

you have a point

[surreal bramble]

Mfw you ask mei her views on Taiwan

[vocal marsh]

Taiwan would cease to be an island, it would be a big ice blok

[ivory garnet]

surprisingly, the overwatch world doesnt have global warming, instead its global cooling-neutral

[slate meteor]

they would've added mama hong to the game (blizzard pls)

[mossy hamlet]

idk considering how Mei is characterized and how she’s more part of an international UN type beat she might see Taiwan as its own country 🤔

idk though

and I’m probably about to get vac banned if I talk about china’s political climate any more

so

uhhhh

[mild tiger]

sigma best lore

[worthy rose]

May I kindly ask

What happened to Orisa in-between ow1 and ow2

[past copper]

She grew as a character

Character development

In OW1, she basically had the mindset of a new born child. In OW2, she’s learned from her mistakes and achievements and grew from them

[noble pendant]

You'll enjoy this then https://youtu.be/GKXS_YA9s7E

Umm why isn't it embed?

https://youtu.be/GKXS_YA9s7E

Huh...

It's Zero Hour

[worthy rose]

But her optimistic personality has been toned down quite alot

And her kit feels more like a dps's instead of a tank at this point

And it barely fits with her character at all

[noble pendant]

The javelin is a good touch imo, the way she uses it is more in defence

[past copper]

It fits perfectly. Her personality grew as I’ve already explained

[noble pendant]

Like swinging it to block projectiles

[past copper]

Her her new abilities are clearly a means to fight off Doomfist should he ever attack Numbani again

[noble pendant]

Yeah, if you run a doom against an Orisa you can simulate that!

And get wrecked in the process

[past copper]

Bc think of it this way. Doom destroyed the OR’s and Orisa was still the same as them when Efi built her

So to change up her arsenal to fight Doomfist makes sense