lore-discussion

[glacial maple]

oh really?

damn thats not cool 😦

[ivory garnet]

i dont see Widowmaker as a villain necessarily, she was taken advantage of being brainwashed into forgetting her past. But I doubt that its permanent as she slowly recollects herself

she could def be a candidate of leaving Talon if she is able to. Due to her brainwashing possibly going away

[glacial maple]

i wonder if junkertown knows wrecking ball is a hamster arleady?

[ivory garnet]

yes

[primal sphinx]

i would sell my soul to see a complete 180 on widowmaker

[glacial maple]

the queen does know

[ivory garnet]

we see JQ hammond after a brawl

holding hammond*

[glacial maple]

ohh right

[primal sphinx]

oh my gosh how have i not seen that ?

[final juniper]

what did junkrat do to get kicked out?

[glacial maple]

thievery

i think

[ivory garnet]

being a dumbass

[final juniper]

per usual ig

[glacial maple]

yeah junkrat is just

kind of the least sane character

[ivory garnet]

sigma 1

[glacial maple]

true lol

[final juniper]

I love junkrats interaction with moira

[drifting viper]

Being junkrat

[drifting viper]

What is it

[ivory garnet]

Roadhog is kinda sad ngl, continually suffering from radiation poisoning

[final juniper]

Junkrat: Are you looking for a new lab assistant? I'm great with chemicals!

Moira: Certainly. We'll begin by testing your tolerance for pain.

Junkrat: What does pain have to do with science?

Moira: Everything, my strange little friend.

[ivory garnet]

says little as if he isnt 6’5

[final juniper]

hes just got the worst posture know to man

[glacial maple]

i REALLY hope we get more training range bot lore

they can express emotions, but do they feel them?

[drifting viper]

Hes bastions son

[ivory garnet]

would be cool to see Genji and Hanzo fight together agaisnt people, and Hanzo picks up Genji’s sword after Genji gets knocked down, and breaks out the pure skill that he has

[drifting viper]

(Not really, i have no evidence to support this and it makes no sense)

[mild crow]

junk rat is a rat that turned into a humsn

[primal sphinx]

i wanna see him use genji's sword and their dragons combine like in the cinematic and it does 3 dragons

[ivory garnet]

whoever they’re fighting prolly dies lol

[primal sphinx]

or is he junk that turned into a rat that turned into a human ?

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[teal pecan]

Roadhogs eaten people correct?

I heard it somewhere but don't know if it has any grounds

[surreal bramble]

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Australians have delved into cannibalism

[teal pecan]

Can confirm Australians do partake in Alot of cannibalism

Yes master

You reckon omnics have genitals?

Cause we've seen people in relationships with omnics

So do you reckon they have genitals?

Or is it just a asexual situation

This has plauged me since I started playing overwatch

You asked for this

He grew up on da moon

[floral willow]

strongest character lorewise is sigma right?

[drifting viper]

no why would they

[drifting viper]

Probably

He harnesed the harness afterall

[teal pecan]

Yes

[drifting viper]

Whats the weakest character?

My guess is hanzo since hes just a guy with a bow and no special powers other than the dragon

[split granite]

Uhhh I guess mei?

[drifting viper]

Meis smart

[teal pecan]

Probably zen?

Mei shows combat prowess

Zen hasn't really shown he can fight

[drifting viper]

I bet zenyatta probably comitted some atrocities during the omnic crisis

[teal pecan]

Hopefully

[drifting viper]

I think its cassidy

[teal pecan]

No

[ivory garnet]

cass is stronger than Hanzo and Mei

[teal pecan]

Not hanzo lmfao

[ivory garnet]

its Ashe

[teal pecan]

No as well

[drifting viper]

But he doesnt have any special powers

[ivory garnet]

so?

[drifting viper]

Ashe has bob

[split granite]

Mei is only smart not much else

[ivory garnet]

yet Cassidy 1v6’d

[split granite]

I mean yeah Ice powers from her gun but she isn’t really much of a fighter

Ashe cass and hanzo are incredibly skilled with their weapons
Deadlock gang being one of the most dangerous outlaw groups in America

[ivory garnet]

Ashe or Mei are one of the weakest, only reason Ashe is above Mei is bc of her marksman skills

[drifting viper]

So meis the weakest character in the lore

[ivory garnet]

ye

[split granite]

Out of the playable characters yes

[ivory garnet]

Cass and Hanzo is an equal fight tbh

both are amazing shots

[split granite]

Hanzo has his dragon though

[ivory garnet]

it’d be hard to establish who would win

as far as we know, he cant guide his dragon

Cassidy just has to get out of the way

[split granite]

True but hanzo is an incredibly skilled fighter I wouldn’t rule out the dragon in a fight

[drifting viper]

He could trap cassidy somewhere where he couldn't escape

[ivory garnet]

yes he is an incredibly skilled fighter, but the matter is if he can get up close

[split granite]

Also hanzo canonically can use scatter arrow so he could potentially just wound cass with a stray arrow

[drifting viper]

I feel like hanzo is smarter than cassidy

[ivory garnet]

Hanzo is smarter but Cass has better battle iq imo

[drifting viper]

Since he was rich and had a good education

[ivory garnet]

Cass turned a 1v6 into his favor

[split granite]

Hanzo has had way more training in all sorts of various ways
He’s mainly an archer of course but he can also use a sword and I imagine other weapons as an extent of that

[ivory garnet]

yeah, but I wont count him using a sword bc

he gave it up

[drifting viper]

I think hanzo is more skilled

[split granite]

Tbf that 1v6 he already was expecting in a sense and had time to plan out

[ivory garnet]

Hanzo will definitely win if its a fisticuff battle

[split granite]

I’m not saying that cass winning the 1v6 isn’t impressive but it’s pretty heavily implied that cass was the one who gave Ashe the tip anonymously about the train

[ivory garnet]

he didnt have time to plan out the grenades and the ropes, he thought all of that when they were all staring eachother down

[split granite]

He knows all the members and how they operate
Again not saying it wasn’t impressive but he did have a slight edge compared to if he fought hanzo

[ivory garnet]

Hanzo would most likely win, but it wouldnt be easy by any means

as like you said, his scatter arrow

[drifting viper]

Hanzo can climb wallls, he gets the high ground and kills cassidy

[ivory garnet]

but cassidy also isnt dumb enough to back into a corner without a plan

[split granite]

Oh yeah of course it wouldn’t be easy

I just think hanzo has the slight advantage

[ivory garnet]

cassidy easily defeated the deadlock sniper

wouldnt count highground

[drifting viper]

Hanzo has more agility

[ivory garnet]

also, bullets > arrows durability wise

[drifting viper]

He can double jump and wall climb while cassidy can just slide

[ivory garnet]

so if possible, cass can shoot one coming straight at him

[drifting viper]

So i think hanzo wins

[split granite]

Ashe also admits to hesitating when she says in the cinematic something along the lines of I should’ve put a bullet in his head the moment I saw him

Something like that

Meaning they gave him chance to react where as hanzo wouldn’t give him this chance

Also remember hanzo is a ninja and as we’ve seen a master of stealth

[ivory garnet]

that could also be because Cassidy couldve thought about her not instantly shooting him

bc cassidy isnt shown to be unaware of stuff

in the comics when he met up with ana

they both knew there were soldiers outside if their building

that were no where to be found when Cass first walked in

[drifting viper]

but hanzo could also do that

On top of the other things he can do

[ivory garnet]

yeah I know he could, never said he couldnt. But cass could probably sense the same way he sensed the soldiers

[drifting viper]

Its a close fight

[ivory garnet]

if we’re ruling out fisticuffs, yes, very close fight that comes down to a single mistake

but if including hand to hand

hanzo wins

its a toss up to who makes the mistake first

[drifting viper]

I think hanzo would most likely win without hand to hand

[mild crow]

genji is robot

[ivory garnet]

he definitely wins the hand to hand

[drifting viper]

He just has the better training, agility

[ivory garnet]

we also know he can run out of arrows

so its also a matter of time

if he can hit the shots

but its a 52/48 for me

Hanzo 52, Cass 48

only a slight edge cuz of Hanzo’s hand to hand capabilities

[worthy rose]

Have any of you heard the Zenyatta voice line when he’s in Illios?

He says he was born near the ocean.

[teal pecan]

Neat

Hanzo is said to be stronger then Genji before he was robo maned

I think the weakest character may be mercy or lucio

Possibly even zen

[worthy rose]

I’m not sure… Zenyatta has too many mysteries to tell what his true strength is.

[teal pecan]

True

[worthy rose]

To me, the strongest in the entire cast so far is Sigma. He has so much potential that Talon may fear what would happen even if he’s under their control.

And I’m pretty sure the results is him being able to fully control the black hole mentioned in his character story.

The second strongest I believe would be Hanzo if he used a sword.

[ivory garnet]

Hanzo with a sword for me is top 10

[solid sonnet]

IK!! now i wanna know where hes born

[limpid agate]

He doesnt say he was born near an ocean

[peak escarp]

weakest hero is Mei, easily

Hanzo with a sword is the same power level as Hanzo with a bow

and definitely isn't a contender for strongest

[restive crown]

Strongest hero is sigma

He can control black holes

[peak escarp]

he can control gravity

not black holes

[worthy rose]

I believe the term is that he has the potential to create one.

[worthy rose]

What is a black hole but a gravity well

I could give you the whole science explaining what a black hole is but it's not necessary

[peak escarp]

a black hole is a specific anomaly

creating those would destroy all life on earth

[worthy rose]

Only if it was of enough mass

[peak escarp]

even just a fraction of a second of exposure to one fractured Sigma's brain

[worthy rose]

They exist in many sizes throughout the universe

Yeah and the one he was exposed to was tiny

A black hole gets bigger as it gains more mass by pulling more objects into it

Most don't exist for more then a moment

Eventually they lose all mass and collapse

Sigma created one by accident, it didn't exist more but a moment before collapsing

[peak escarp]

my point still stands

he doesn't control black holes, he controls gravity

specifically, relative gravity

[worthy rose]

Yeah you're right, the closest thing to a black hole in ow is Zarya's ult

But that's a gravity well, not a black hole

[astral pumice]

im jus sayin if i was in the overwatch lore id be a human supremacist

[worthy rose]

I'd be monke supremist

Winston is boss

[worthy rose]

Mercy is weaker tho

[peak escarp]

Mercy has combat experience and the Valkyrie suit enhances her strength

[urban moth]

how does lucio skate on concrete

or sand

like sure, they’re hard light

but that’s basically just overwatch unobtanium that makes anything possible

and that isn’t fun

[teal pecan]

Meis still stronger smh

The cold beats most of our current an most likely future technology

It's not whether mei kill you it's when it will kill you

Her weapons freeze stuff solid instantly in lore

[peak escarp]

Mei has no combat experience, and her weapon is untested

also freezing someone with her gun is apparently harmless

[teal pecan]

It is not look at the cinematics

[peak escarp]

Speaking of which, I've been here in the Yukon, near Mount Logan, field-testing my new gear. I've recovered from some early "issues" (my arm still hurts from being frozen solid a few days ago… so embarrassing!), and everything is in good working order. Look on the bright side: now that I've tested the equipment on myself, I'm not worried about using it on all the cute animals I want to study!

[teal pecan]

Also by that logic she could have just ran at the giant omnics frozen it solid an everything would have been fine

[teal pecan]

This littarly says it hurts smh

[peak escarp]

it hurt, but she survived

and feels okay with using it on animals

[teal pecan]

Yet it shatters steel

This does not make sense does it?

And her icicle isn't sharp?

[peak escarp]

regardless, Mei is the weakest

[teal pecan]

She's not an your not using basic knowledge

Mercy is weaker

Or lucio

[peak escarp]

why?

Mercy can lift concrete slabs and carry Genji with one arm

[teal pecan]

Cause of her suit correct?

[peak escarp]

yes

[teal pecan]

What's the suit made of?

[peak escarp]

it isn't said

[surreal bramble]

Probably a exo suit or something like that

[teal pecan]

Ok so the exosuits made of carbon fibre an some other tech right

[surreal bramble]

We really don’t know what other countries did to combat omnics, we know the us made super soldiers n what not

Maybe the Swiss made exo suits

[teal pecan]

Possible

But mercy is not beating meis weapons

As torb comments on it in game

[surreal bramble]

Tho

[teal pecan]

Saying it's incredible

[surreal bramble]

Meis gun is non lethal

[peak escarp]

this isn't about whose weapons are the best

[surreal bramble]

Mercy’s is

[urban moth]

combat stimulants, artificial muscles

[peak escarp]

this is about which hero is weaker overall

[urban moth]

mei vs mercy?

[peak escarp]

Mei has less experience and skill than Mercy

[urban moth]

yeah mei is weaker

[worthy rose]

In lore Mercy would win, in reality Mei is the stronger fighter

[teal pecan]

Ok I'll take the lose

[urban moth]

just rename lore discussion to #ask-doctor-six

[teal pecan]

But how is mei not stronger then sym?

[urban moth]

symmetra’s abilities are like

[teal pecan]

Also the omnics seem incredibly weak

[urban moth]

damn

[peak escarp]

Symmetra is a trained agent, who has gone on many missions

[urban moth]

however

symmetra is still weak physically

[peak escarp]

even a basic omnic is stronger than a human

[urban moth]

a well built machine can last a while when components are broken

[surreal bramble]

Syms hard light is only limited to her imagination

[teal pecan]

But I'm talking in the overwatch two cinematic they seem weak

[urban moth]

humans have been being built for millions of years

[surreal bramble]

That’s just for action movie effect

[urban moth]

so naturally they can function with many missing components

omnics? not so much

[peak escarp]

they seem weak there because the heroes need to win

[surreal bramble]

Realistically a omnic could step on tracers head and she’d die (or genji)

[urban moth]

their bodies may be stronger but

[teal pecan]

But if we're taking this As a source of info you'd think their weak af

[urban moth]

a single messed up component can ruin everything, while its equivalent on a human wouldn’t

[surreal bramble]

Only fault to omnics is that they are hackable

And don’t reproduce

[teal pecan]

yeah doesn't sombra hack omnics for fun?

[urban moth]

if you sever a tendon and its nerve on a human

[surreal bramble]

Yes randomly

[urban moth]

you lose most control of that part that was connected

if you sever a connector and it’s wire(s) on a robot, you now have a massive electrical fault on top of all that

[teal pecan]

Can't she just like hack them an make a infinite loop of an image on the omnics brain

[ivory garnet]

easily, cuz the Or14s crushed a crusader

[urban moth]

which can cause much quicker acting cascades of issues

[urban moth]

the OR14s are an exception

they’re robo-horses

with many guns

[surreal bramble]

I honestly hope to see more of what each country did to combat the omnic crisis, an example being the us making super soldiers and Korea making team mek-a

[ivory garnet]

ik but thats what Im saying, they can easily smush a human being

[surreal bramble]

Or the German crusaders

Or the gigantic Russian robots

[ivory garnet]

russians fought them by being russian (not a joke) and used titans

[urban moth]

brazil didn’t even fight them very much

[surreal bramble]

Omnics couldn’t stand the cold sadly

[urban moth]

they got hit directly in the finances

[ivory garnet]

they didnt have an omnium near by

[surreal bramble]

Just like real life

[urban moth]

and australia

they just fucking blew up lol

[surreal bramble]

I’m pretty sure Canada did the same as the us but with cybernetics

[ivory garnet]

the outback did yeah, sydney and coastline cities are fine

[surreal bramble]

It became mad max

Aka

Actual Australia

[worthy rose]

The Russian midset to war, superior firepower

[urban moth]

africa took its entire bottle of “kill me come back stronger” pills

[surreal bramble]

And the winter

[peak escarp]

cybernetics weren't common in the Canadian Armed Forces during the crisis, according to the Sojourn novel

[worthy rose]

A.K.A the Russian bear

[urban moth]

and somehow nigeria disassembled itself and became a shining image of humanity’s technological progress

[peak escarp]

Sojourn was an exception, not the rule

[urban moth]

which

is just funny to think about tbh

[surreal bramble]

I was going off of the many prosthetic ads we see in new queens

[peak escarp]

that's present day, not during the crisis

[urban moth]

prosthetics in the far future of present overwatch are like owning a car

[ivory garnet]

they started implementing them after the success with Sojourn I think

[surreal bramble]

True true

[urban moth]

even if it’s something small

like optics

[surreal bramble]

That’s what she said(😔)

[urban moth]

or your wrist functioning as a stand mixer

oh god imagine the cybernetics most chefs would have

[surreal bramble]

I wonder what Mexico did

[urban moth]

lost electricity

[surreal bramble]

Or Italy

[urban moth]

and nothing else

[surreal bramble]

Lol

[ivory garnet]

they had Soldier 😧

[surreal bramble]

Didn’t sombra get orphaned because of that?

[urban moth]

well

[ivory garnet]

maybe idk

[ivory garnet]

yeah

[urban moth]

wait no isn’t that puerto rico

oh nvm

dorado is in puerto rico

i got confused

[surreal bramble]

Wait

Is Korea unified in ow?

[ivory garnet]

sombra is hispanic, mexican for the most part

no

only D.VA unified with OW

[urban moth]

north korea would be long gone anyway

[ivory garnet]

by joining them

[peak escarp]

Dorado is in Mexico

[urban moth]

i’d imagine that

[urban moth]

then there must be two dorados

[peak escarp]

why?

[urban moth]

one much larger than the other

[surreal bramble]

I like to think it got destroyed by that giant omnic that’d attack South Korea time to time

[urban moth]

wait wait

so

overwatch decided to completely make up the town of dorado, mexico

[peak escarp]

yes

[urban moth]

when there’s a dorado, puerto rico

that actually exists

and looks very similar

[peak escarp]

[ivory garnet]

in the cinematic “Hero” it shows Dorado and the thugs have the skeleton paint, and we see Sombra meeting them. Its in mexico cuz Sombra is mexican

[urban moth]

they took dorado and PUSHED it somewhere else

[ivory garnet]

yeah basically

[urban moth]

that wasn’t sombra

[ivory garnet]

watch her origin story

[peak escarp]

that was Alejandra

[urban moth]

sombra was a girl during the omnic crisis

[ivory garnet]

watch her origin story

[urban moth]

hero took place well after it

bro sombra is like

30 years old

wdym

just because they’re both mexican girls doesn’t make them the same person

and besides a lot of mexican girls look like that

[surreal bramble]

I’m gonna just talk here since general is kinda…..

[urban moth]

yeah, sombra met the same gang

[surreal bramble]

That would explain her skin

[ivory garnet]

yeah, reread what i said😭

[surreal bramble]

I forgot the name of it

[urban moth]

oh

i see your point

[ivory garnet]

.

[alpine pawn]

tho the little girl seems to tell zarya sombras name

i do wonder from where alejandra knows sombra

[urban moth]

if alejandra is 14 at the time of that comic

just a guess

probably older

[peak escarp]

Sombra grew up in Dorado

[ivory garnet]

ye

[peak escarp]

everyone there probably knows her

[ivory garnet]

thats what I was trynna say

[urban moth]

that still makes her far younger than sombra

although

sombra didn’t run until they were a late teenager i think?

[ivory garnet]

i was stating Dorado was in mexico cuz Sombra is mexican and she has met up with the same gang

[urban moth]

idk the age

probably doesn’t say

[peak escarp]

we don't know what age Olivia was when she became Sombra

[urban moth]

gotta love how sombra is about as powerful in-game as she is in lore

[ivory garnet]

gotta love how Genji is too now

[urban moth]

translocator and invisibility spam

although

what’s stopping people from using the old paint trick

or dust

unless whatever high vis stuff they use to mark sombra also turns invisible

[ivory garnet]

its anything that comes in contact with her body, or has an implant/chip

one of those 2

cuz we see her getting a spine implant

which is the cause of her hologram, tp, and invis

[restive crown]

How tall is rein no armor?

Like 7ft?

[peak escarp]

something like that

[worthy rose]

Is there any backstory of characters of overwatch?

[peak escarp]

there is backstory for every hero

[teal pecan]

Russia is racist correct?

[peak escarp]

Russia is at war with omnics

[teal pecan]

But like their racist correct?

Zaryas racist isn't she?

[peak escarp]

she was

but her encounter with Lynx 17 expanded her understanding

[teal pecan]

Who tf is lynx 17?

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Lynx_Seventeen

[keen summit]

Yoy can even hear it in zarya lines

She barely hates on omnics now

[keen summit]

She was to omnics,. But from her limes now she doesnt hate omnics anymore

Everyone probs watched that vid some1 made about how racist they are

[teal pecan]

I have watched the racist teir list

[keen summit]

Yeah that might be outdated cuz i watched his cinematic toer list and he went like "i dont know why zarya is there" with sombra, that leads to the comic where zarya accepts and even orotects an omnic

He doesnt read the comics

So its not accurate, torb used to hate omnics but started trusting bastion

[drifting viper]

I think she still is

She said a week ago she would have killed him herself

Not going to kill someone doesnt mean that you're not racist agaisnt them

[keen summit]

she doesnt have any lines against omnics anymore tho

thats what im basin it on

[drifting viper]

but she could have in the future

It isnt a pro omnic voice line

Its just

No omnic voice line

[keen summit]

then she isnt racist though, as she no longer hates omnics

shes indifferent

she hates the omnics who attack russia while beign neutral to the rest

which is logical

[drifting viper]

I think until she says something pro omnic we can assume shes still racist

Just not as racist

I dont think shed drop prejudice that easily

[keen summit]

you dont have to be racist if you arent actively vouching for it

[drifting viper]

But she was racist before

Thats why i think we can assume she still is

[keen summit]

ehhhhhh torb also turned hella fast.

[drifting viper]

thats true

[keen summit]

now i think zarya is like basically this for humans
you hate the people who invade your country, but dont hate their nationality

[clever abyss]

What has Mercy done with Genji's ass

[steep magnet]

Sigma>

[kindred nimbus]

Improved it by bajillion times

[tardy void]

what is the lore of zenyatta

[keen summit]

good question

hes a monk

honestly thats about what we know

[tardy void]

so we dont know why he is a monk

[keen summit]

well probs to seek enlightenment and as rammatra said to learn peace and about the world and their place in it

[tardy void]

i feel like rammatra will be like orisa ngl

[keen summit]

why orisa?

and in lore or gameplay

[tardy void]

gameplay

sorry havent seen his kit yet

[keen summit]

eh not really

we know his kit, not exact details but we know what every ability does roughly

[tardy void]

aight what does he do?

[keen summit]

he can change between two forms where he has different abilities, omnic form is his poke form with a barrier and long range projectile, nemesis form is brawler form with punches and block

shortly explained cuz this is bout lore

so hes more like a character who switches between worse sigma and worse orisa etc

[tardy void]

so sigma and doomfist

he is gonna be op af

[keen summit]

not at all like doom

doom dives

[tardy void]

ig thx for tha help

[white robin]

You say that but he’s probably gonna be ass

[paper sorrel]

Is Ramattra from Overwatch?

[iron plume]

no

[paper sorrel]

Talon?

[iron plume]

no again
though he does work with them

[paper sorrel]

Idfk Deadlock Gang

[iron plume]

Null Sector

you can just ask in the first place

[loud linden]

he is.

[white robin]

Yes

[paper sorrel]

Omnic

[loud linden]

why dont they just make more omnics

[iron plume]

@white robin If you don't know, don't answer

[white robin]

Im right tho

The game is called overwatch?

And he’s in it

So yeah

[iron plume]

They can't
the reason hasn't been explained exactly but they can't

[paper sorrel]

What lore can we talk about here

[iron plume]

This channel is about lore, they're talking about the organization

!!shitposting @white robin

[twilit nacelle]

@white robin Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[iron plume]

following on: it may be a technology that was lost with the Omniums

[loud linden]

why dont they just regulate the omnicas to make the civilian omnics?

[iron plume]

the omniums were shut down or destroyed

[paper sorrel]

Is this FNAF lore level confusing?

[white robin]

No

[iron plume]

there are two known ones that awoke, the ones near Korea and in Siberia

[thick elk]

What happened with pharah and Ana?

[iron plume]

but those only make military ones

[iron plume]

Ana was shot and knocked out long ago
It took her a while to remember herself and she decided not to tell anyone after

She only recently wrote Pharah that she was alive, and Pharah is understandably pissed off

[white robin]

Does mcdonalds exist in the overwatch world

[iron plume]

There was also drama between them from before because Pharah wanted to join Overwatch and Ana prevented it, not wanting her to follow into the life of war

Pharah still did, just with Helix

[thick elk]

Awww so she just left her daughter

[keen summit]

its possible

[thick elk]

And doesn't remember her

[loud linden]

why dont they just make a civilian one?

[iron plume]

and everyone else, but yes

[keen summit]

she does

[iron plume]

no she does

[keen summit]

she remembers everyone

[iron plume]

she didn't remember anyone for a short while after being shot

but she did remember
she deliberately didn't want to contact anyone

[thick elk]

Was that the shot from widowmaker

[iron plume]

yes

[thick elk]

Damnnn

[white robin]

Bastion should be the main character in overwatch tbh

[iron plume]

She wasn't shot in the head, the bullet hit her scope and it shattered

[white robin]

He has the most lore

[thick elk]

[iron plume]

which is why she didn't die but her eye got broken and she was out of it for a time

[iron plume]

Presumably the tech is lost

[keen summit]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[thick elk]

No wonder widow maker asked Ana if she wanted to lose her other eye

[white robin]

(It’s a joke)

[iron plume]

There's also a theory that truly sapient omnics aren't just tech

[keen summit]

he also doesnt have the least tho

[iron plume]

but also something spiritual which doesn't happen anymore

[white robin]

I didn’t say he has the least

[keen summit]

ive always thought it was a thing where the iris once gave all sentience

[iron plume]

it's possible

[keen summit]

thats why rammatra says they are finite

[iron plume]

Ramattra isn't the only one who does

regardless they can't make new ones one way or the other

[mossy hamlet]

ok I’ve asked this before, but what about orisa?

[iron plume]

Orisa isn't exactly an omnic

[white robin]

Orisa is boring tbh

[keen summit]

shes a learning ai

[mossy hamlet]

ok I see

[iron plume]

her 'mind' was made by efi and it's custom made

[keen summit]

shes not sentient, but has kinda a personality program

[iron plume]

nah she's sentient alright

[keen summit]

say baymax from big hero 6

[iron plume]

and sapient

which is the important part here

[mossy hamlet]

what’s the difference between sentient and sapient?

asking for a friend

[iron plume]

sentience just means you have an active sense of yourself and your surroundings

most animals are sentient

[keen summit]

yeah was bout to say

[iron plume]

sapience is what we think differentiates humans

[keen summit]

ig omnics are more sapient

[mossy hamlet]

I see

[keen summit]

maybe orisa is an exception?

[iron plume]

probably

[keen summit]

in ow1 she did have a line bout the iris

[iron plume]

Echo was created post-Crisis too

[keen summit]

but its just odd

[keen summit]

she isnt sapient tho thats been explained

[iron plume]

so there can be exceptions

oop sorry miner, chat moved up

[keen summit]

oh

[digital forum]

Nah, orisa seems like she still follows her program to a degree
Now with extreme violence🥳

[keen summit]

echo isnt sapient tho, shes an echo of her creator

[iron plume]

eh not really

@white robin If you want to post a shit take like this you can at least spell his old name right

and you've already been warned about shitposting

[digital forum]

I think the only ones that are human level are zen, ram, and bastion

[white robin]

Im not shitposting

[iron plume]

also, not lore

[keen summit]

honestly though orisa displays more sapience while echo legit copies alot of people

[white robin]

O yeah its McCree

[keen summit]

thats kinda what she does

echo defo is a learning AI

[mossy hamlet]

yeah

[iron plume]

I'd say echo and orisa are definitely more intelligent than bastion

[keen summit]

she even has lines mainly bout learning about others

[iron plume]

bastion is like a puppy

[keen summit]

learning ai doesnt mean not intelligent

[iron plume]

I'm talking about sapience

learning ai doesn't mean they're not

[mossy hamlet]

I wouldn’t say puppy
he’s smart enough to give yes and no responses

[iron plume]

so is a puppy lol

[white robin]

🤮

[iron plume]

but yeah might be a bit of an exaggeration

[mossy hamlet]

I didn’t know that that’s crazy

[keen summit]

idk tho bout echo, shes legit said to be an echo of someone, its like you base a robot on someone, give them the personality. echo isnt her own person

[iron plume]

she's an echo in the metaphorical sense

[keen summit]

yeah i get that

[iron plume]

her personality isn't a complete copy of Liao's

it's heavily influenced by her but more like a child is by their parents

[keen summit]

but most of her things are about learning from others and copying it. She doesnt really seem to be her own person but eh ill leave it

[iron plume]

learning from others is how you become better
and copying is how you start learning

that doesn't reflect on your personality

[keen summit]

i dont think echo and orisa truly can be considered it but it might be that ramm doesnt know, but seems odd as we dont know how far back his origin story is

[iron plume]

she doesn't project someone else's personality onto herself, she copies/learns from their combat tactics

[keen summit]

ill just leave it as is

[white robin]

Gta 5 is in the overwatch universe

[keen summit]

but we know orisa was artificially given "a heart"

so thats a program, but she also had a line about a dream with the iris in it

Rammatra probs will shed light on it

[mossy hamlet]

and then her interaction with zen regarding free will and evil

it seems like some sort of deeper messaging

[keen summit]

Honestly ram is the only one who can give clear cut answers

zen is too much about letting others find their own answers

[iron plume]

well, keep in mind that his clear cut answers aren't necessarily true

[keen summit]

while ramm would if echo and orisa arent truely sapient either say its fake or that its a miracle that they can exist

[iron plume]

it's what he thinks is true, and he is an ideologue

[keen summit]

ig

but he does know alot about sapience and stuff

[iron plume]

and yeah there's a strong possibility he might not consider Echo or Orisa 'real' omnics

[keen summit]

and seems more willing to say stuff about the iris

cuz zen is about finding your own answers and path

while ramm would be like "the iris doesnt acknowledge you, do you want to join our cause or fall?"

[mossy hamlet]

well that’s treating the iris as a being, which seems kind of heretical of him

[keen summit]

thing is we dont know what it is, most likely a new god program or maybe secret orginization cuz sombra was seen by the iris aswell

[iron plume]

sombra thing wasn't necessarily the iris

also "god program" is a loaded term that doesn't really exist

[mossy hamlet]

the iris is probably just a state of transcendence, something like the idea of nirvana
sigma claims to have met the iris, but that’s because, it’s sigma

[keen summit]

yeah but would be hella odd to just add another thing with the same symbolism but then make it something else.

basically i just want them to finally explain it

[mossy hamlet]

disclaimer I’m about to make a really weird point

[keen summit]

go for it

ive probs seen worse

[iron plume]

mere half an hour ago in fact

[mossy hamlet]

but anyway, think about the ultimate voice lines for the ultimates right? the friendly one usually lines up with the enemy one in meaning

for example, hanzo zarya and baptiste

also widowmaker but

they all say the same thing, just in their native tongue as enemy

so what does zen say?

his friendly line is “experience tranquility”

[keen summit]

not all

some dont

[mossy hamlet]

and his enemy line is “pass into the iris”

[keen summit]

rein doesnt torb doesnt doom doesnt

[mossy hamlet]

all of my four examples do

you have a point though

[keen summit]

oh i see where you are going with it

[mossy hamlet]

yeah

[keen summit]

i had a theory though

[mossy hamlet]

shoot

[iron plume]

the heroes with multiple languages do

at least the ones where the VA speaks it too

not always the same thing though yes

[mossy hamlet]

are you saying torb va is fake Swedish 🤨 (idk if he is)

[iron plume]

he's not swedish at all

[mossy hamlet]

alr

[iron plume]

torb still has no swedish lines iirc

[keen summit]

zen is the closest to the iris because he balances peacefull (harmony orb) and aggressive (discord)
rammatra has same energy as basically discord orb so basically the theory is that the power of the iris can be used for destruction or for healing, only through self acceptence and balancing both you achieve the closest place to the iris

[mossy hamlet]

that’s an interesting theory

[keen summit]

this theory i made before ramm was announced

[mossy hamlet]

yeah I was about to ask

[keen summit]

but it seems logical

ramm is radical, then mondatta was peacefull, both not able to balance them. yin and yang basically, with mondatta dead the other side overflows so ramm gets more powerfull
zen is the balance of both cuz he instead focusses on helping induviduals and focusses on himself

he doesnt protest, he doesnt do anything to help the greater omnic kind

[iron plume]

yes he does
just not in the same way as the other two

with a more direct involvement in the community

instead of, respectively, talking a lot and starting a war

[keen summit]

this also ties in to why ramm might not be against mondatta being killed by talon and also directly to pve cuz he would now have no counterpart

[keen summit]

exactly

[keen summit]

i meant it as in instead of focussing on the entire omnic kind, zen is more about helping small groups / induviduals

[iron plume]

the reason ramm might be fine with mondatta being killed is because he thinks it would ultimately lead to war

he's about helping everyone, through finding peace
which in turn he believes the best way to do is by working from the ground up

[keen summit]

thing is ramm doesnt necessarilly want war, he just thinks thats all thats left that can help them, to have the omnic who just says all about "we can live in peace!" and then leave while in the city were omnics are hated alot is probs what hes against

basically ramm wants action

[keen summit]

exactly so i think thats what the iris wants, look at more from zen and what he does for people, give them advice but let them find their answers on their own. He lets them join him but it never distracts from his path. what this seems to tell us is that the iris simply wanted the omnics to choose their path.

atleast thats my theory

and thats why ramm only has the radical side

hes about the action because "the rest doesnt work."

[mossy hamlet]

I mean

is he wrong?

[iron plume]

I mean
yes?

Within the OW universe things are generally looking up for Omnics, despite issues in some places

and were even more so before Talon and Null Sector fucked things up

they're accelerationists, which, as an ethos, is... flawed

[keen summit]

its the wrong way to do it, but you can understand why he thinks as such

[mossy hamlet]

yeah I agree

[surreal bramble]

Ramm is magneto while Zen is Charles

[pliant grove]

Is genji's penis intact after he got his cybernetics?

[surreal bramble]

No

His penis is gone

[mystic talon]

Pharmacy should be cannon

[peak escarp]

why do people care so much about Genji's penis?

[pliant grove]

Why are you not caring about his penis?

[peak escarp]

because it doesn't matter?

[pliant grove]

Wdym? How would he have kids?

[peak escarp]

why does he need to have kids?

[pliant grove]

Cause family good

[peak escarp]

the story isn't about that

[worthy rose]

long

[alpine pawn]

you know we should consider short shitposting shitposting too

[primal sphinx]

Overwatch has stated that he is only missing his right arm and both legs bellow the knee. So all the … essential parts are still intact

[rotund ermine]

Isn’t he heavily scarred tho

[uneven isle]

literally darth vader lol

[primal sphinx]

Yes but that just makes him more attractive

[surreal bramble]

What’s that

[peak escarp]

the Pharah/Mercy ship

which isn't canon and never will be

[surreal bramble]

Oh

[alpine pawn]

also a very strong dps combo in game

but yeah canonically gency is prob the endgame

[surreal bramble]

Italian hero that’s a pyro when?

[mossy hamlet]

Italian hero in general when

anyway, it’s crazy to think that ramattra is technically the first omnic tank in the game

[primal sphinx]

I am waiting for us to get a Pacific Islander / Samoan hero

[mossy hamlet]

good choice

[peak escarp]

Orisa

[surreal bramble]

Or a Greek hero

[primal sphinx]

Oh my gosh i would cry

[surreal bramble]

One of those gladiators from coliseum could be good for a Italian hero or brit

[mossy hamlet]

I was having a conversation with some other people, and they were both saying that orisa didn’t fit the bill to be an omnic
(hence my “technically”)

idk if they’re right for sure but like, they were making good points

[peak escarp]

Orisa is called an omnic repeatedly in the lore

[surreal bramble]

There’s also that theory that one of the hero’s showed in that recall image was Greek

The one with the blue visor

And black hair

His name was Helios once in a image

[peak escarp]

Helio

[surreal bramble]

Yeah

[alpine pawn]

was the bill for an omnic their just sentient thats it

[surreal bramble]

Would be nice to see him

[primal sphinx]

Isnt that the Greek god of the sun ?

[surreal bramble]

Yep

[peak escarp]

omnic = made in an omnium

[primal sphinx]

Oh my gosh thats amazing

[alpine pawn]

like even the word omnic sounds like is related to omnicience

which they obviusly dont have but is probably a word play with sentience

[surreal bramble]

If he was introduced i highly agree that he’d be a flame related hero

[primal sphinx]

Oh my gosh we need one. That would be sick !!

I’m here for it i would literally cry

[surreal bramble]

He’s also

Kinda hot

[primal sphinx]

Hehehehe is that a pun or is he actually ?

[surreal bramble]

Yes

Actually

[primal sphinx]

Imma need a picture for proof

It’s for science

[surreal bramble]

I’ll send you it

[primal sphinx]

Bet bet

[mossy hamlet]

it’s crazy that ramattra is the second omnic tank

[past adder]

Is it me or Ramattra look like a necron?

[flint notch]

Isn't Mercy like a 100 years old?

[lusty jasper]

whats the lore explanation for mei losing her freezing?

global warming?

[worthy rose]

HAMPSTER?

[grand wedge]

she is 37-ish

[craggy marten]

this is lore disscussion

[peak escarp]

Mercy is 37

[quick skiff]

who's the most powerful character in the game?

lorewise

[peak escarp]

Sigma

[quick skiff]

why?

[peak escarp]

because he can manipulate gravity

[mossy hamlet]

yeah that’s like universe level

[quick skiff]

and as we can see ingame he can't do all that much with it

he can only fly for like 5 seconds

can lift people up like 10 meters

[tacit ember]

ok but does the universe sing to you

[peak escarp]

the game isnt canon

[mossy hamlet]

ok but have you considered: this is for balance reasons

[quick skiff]

yes I am sigma main

[tacit ember]

mb

[peak escarp]

he is much more powerful in the lore

[tacit ember]

the genji nerf and stuff out yet?

[quick skiff]

but if he's so powerful why haven't talon taken over the world?

[mossy hamlet]

anyway I do think he’s not the most powerful by a landslide because of his madness

[tacit ember]

torb solos

[quick skiff]

having a planet level threat under control would make all their goals pretty easy to achieve

[peak escarp]

because he's unstable

[mossy hamlet]

he can’t properly think so he can’t fully control his powers to most extent

also, talon isn’t about taking over the world

they’re about strengthening humanity through conflict

so if anything they want to reshape the world

[quick skiff]

ok so who's the second most powerful

[peak escarp]

probably Symmetra

[quick skiff]

doom right?

[quick skiff]

why

[peak escarp]

because she can build almost anything out of hard light

[mossy hamlet]

are we sure it isn’t tracer

[peak escarp]

Doomfist is behind Winston and Orisa

[quick skiff]

doomfist nullified tracer with one hand

[mossy hamlet]

ok, but I’m just saying

[quick skiff]

doomfist beat the fuck outta Winston tho

[peak escarp]

when?

[mossy hamlet]

and I wouldn’t say that was pure strength or power; that was skill on akande’s part

[quick skiff]

that cinematic from when he first came out

[peak escarp]

Winston defeated Doomfist in that

[quick skiff]

how

[peak escarp]

he's the reason Doomfist was in jail

[quick skiff]

oh

that wasn't shown in the cinematic then

[mossy hamlet]

it was implied

[quick skiff]

but that was a 3v1

[quick skiff]

so how do we know what'd happen in a 1v1

[peak escarp]

Doomfist bodied Tracer and Genji easily

then Winston defeated Doomfist one on one

[quick skiff]

crazy how lorewise primal rage is just a free win card for Winston while in-game it does about 12 damage

[peak escarp]

it's because Winston is the main character

so he gets plot armor

[mossy hamlet]

also, just logic wise

that’s a pissed off gorilla who wants to kill you

like

gorillas are strong as hell

[peak escarp]

feels like every week we get a Doomfist fanboy coming in here asking who is strongest and getting mad when it isn't their favourite

[mossy hamlet]

hah

[peak escarp]

or Reaper

[mossy hamlet]

I’d say he’s up there? but not like

suuuuper up there

[peak escarp]

or Hanzo with a sword

Doomfist is top 5

[mossy hamlet]

fair

I’d say “suuuper up there” is like top 3

[peak escarp]

Reaper is on par with Doomfist

maybe higher because he's nigh unkillable

[mossy hamlet]

ok so by your count, top 5 is

sigma, symmetra, Winston, orisa, doom

in that order

right?

[peak escarp]

Sigma
Symmetra
Winston
Orisa
Doomfist/Reaper tied

[mossy hamlet]

oka yeah

[peak escarp]

Reaper is unkillable, but Doomfist has manipulated him in the past and his big weakness is his rage

Doomfist's weakness is hubris

[mossy hamlet]

what about orisa

[peak escarp]

Orisa's weakness was inexperience, but she seems to have gained a lot of experience since the last time we saw her

[craggy marten]

i got some kind of reward for logging in and idk what it was

[peak escarp]

Winston doesn't have any weaknesses because he's a Mary Sue

his "weakness" is being dorky

[mossy hamlet]

#overwatch-serious

[mossy hamlet]

idk I’d say his weakness could be rage

just not in the same way as reaper

because reaper literally can’t stop being mad

while Winston gets set off easily (it seems)

[worthy rose]

What characters have the most shocking lores

Give me your thoughts

[mossy hamlet]

probably someone from talon

I’d say sigma or bap because sigma has seen unimaginable things, went through like hell and back

and then baptiste commited war crimes

[worthy rose]

Thats why sigma its schizophrenic

[mossy hamlet]

yes

[limpid agate]

It's not a weakness. Its the opposite of a weakness

Its a deus ex machina

[worthy rose]

"there is no cure for insanity"

[limpid agate]

It pops up exactly when he needs it to and does exactly its job

[mossy hamlet]

okay you have a point

[limpid agate]

His anger has been purely beneficial

[worthy rose]

Thats when a moira kills sigma, so yeah sigma has to have schizophrenia or some serious mental problem

[mossy hamlet]

what

[worthy rose]

Dont you think?

He acts exaclty like it.

Moira a counter for heros like sigma

Works well against low elo genjis too

Uh

How many characters are related to junkrat and roadhog lore?

4?

Not many

[mossy hamlet]

guys this is lore chat……

[worthy rose]

Fr

Yes ik

Junk and hog a duo bent on looting and chaos pretty much

[mossy hamlet]

junkrat, roadhog, queen, Ana, wrecking ball(?)

[worthy rose]

They cross paths with other heros at most

[mossy hamlet]

so yeah 4 or 5

[worthy rose]

Wasnt ashe?

[mossy hamlet]

no..???? I don’t remember

[worthy rose]

Nah most of the interactions with them is by junker queen

I think there was a voice line of junkrat and ashe thta said something about junkertown

Ball crossed paths with them once I think

Damn

[mossy hamlet]

no I’m pretty sure their only voice line is junkrat talking about her dynamite

[worthy rose]

Mhm...

Not sure

But i still have thta in my head, i remember something about them

[quick skiff]

also, assuming doomfist by himself has a weight of around 150 kg, being a very tall and muscular man, adding 50 kg for him massive metal arm, and assuming the 4.5 second time between you being able to move and landing during meteor strike is doomfist in freefall the impact of his landing would have a force of over 150,000 joules of energy, or the equivalent of having a school bus dropped on you. And this is just for doomfist falling on you, the concentrated energy on just his fist would be far, far greater but I'm way too dumb to calculate that. So a direct hit from meteor strike would instantly eradicate any overwatch character, so therefore doom is stronger than Winston.

[worthy rose]

Doom its a menace

Atleast in demostration video

[quick skiff]

and yet in game you'll be lucky to get one kill

[worthy rose]

One of the coldest lore animations ever

[quick skiff]

fax

he's also not as garbage as people think

[worthy rose]

The way doom destroys tracer

[quick skiff]

I would never play him in comp but Ill sweep quick play

[worthy rose]

Doom doesnt fit as tank

[quick skiff]

I'd say he does now that tanks are op

[worthy rose]

For me the best ow lore its hanzo one

Obv.

[quick skiff]

doom however stayed with ow1 tank damage while in ow2

[worthy rose]

Well one look at tracer, you know she wouldn't survive a direct hit from doom if he had the intent to kill her

[quick skiff]

with 450 hp he should be one of the more damaging tanks in the game

[worthy rose]

Yeah but tracer depends of that thing in her body am i right?

[quick skiff]

yeah without it she cannot control her power at all

[worthy rose]

Whtaever that is

Yeah to keep her to phasing in time uncontrollably

[quick skiff]

her whole reality is basically stuck on shuffle play without it

[worthy rose]

I forget it's name, but it keeps tracer from time skipping

Almost no one talks about hanzo'snlore

[quick skiff]

Chronal accelerator

[worthy rose]

That

[quick skiff]

sigma best lore

[worthy rose]

I prefer hanzo one

Bro lamost killed his brother

Her device on her back also is what allows her to control her abilities, to skip and recall

"what would our dad say if he saw this."

[mossy hamlet]

uhm actually it’s called blink not skip 🤓

[worthy rose]

Hanzo its literally a monster to genji

He has no feelings

Genji doesn't really take things seriously until after Hanzo almost kills him, before that he always acted very cavalier in life, kinda a playboy life

Yeah

[mossy hamlet]

he wasn’t a playboy really
he was just a gamer

[worthy rose]

Hanzo has a long family story

Very long.

Every voice lines

Rejected everything

[quick skiff]

does hanzo have a voice line where he says "don't just sit there with your mouth full of teeth" though?

didn't think so

sigma on top

[worthy rose]

Hanzo and Genji, were basically members of a Yakuza clan

[peak escarp]

okay but Winston still beat him, therefore Winston is stronger

[quick skiff]

rigged

plot armour

[worthy rose]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

I told you

[mossy hamlet]

yeah that was kind of implied

[peak escarp]

he's the main character

[quick skiff]

Winston just panic ulted

[worthy rose]

Think gorillas are SOOO many times stronger than any human

Winston still beat doom tho

Especially winston. He could massacrate anyone

[quick skiff]

shut up danny

[worthy rose]

So I agree with Lore, he's obviously stronger, or at least more tactically inclined

[mossy hamlet]

okay but the thing is doomfist is like, probably at least gorilla level in terms of strength (seeing as how he punched his way out of a jail) plus he has the doomfist

[worthy rose]

Theres almost no lore for lucio right?

[mossy hamlet]

pretty much none yeah

[worthy rose]

There is some

[mossy hamlet]

he just stole some tech from vishkar, and he’s a celebrity

[worthy rose]

I mena we obv know hes SOOO famous in brazil

In brazil you cna see lucio posters everywhere

Even the oayload its related to him

Lucio just a world renowned DJ, what lore there is on him, is him fighting what the viskar corporation was doing and planning for his home

Hes funny

Thats all

The sounds lucio makes when he dies is funny tbh

[mossy hamlet]

Lucio should practice capoeira

[worthy rose]

Dva when she dies is most entertaining tho

I hate dva so much

Especially when rein pins her to a wall lol

Degenerate little kid

Wth is that mf doing in OVERWATCH

I'm not a fan of dva either tbh

[mossy hamlet]

why are y’all talking about game mechanics in the lore channel again areggggggh

[worthy rose]

I just dont understand

It's fine to go off topic for a moment calm down

Why they would accept a GAMER. To overwatch.

Literally makes no sense

Dva proved she was skilled enough as a fighter

Eh.

[mossy hamlet]

I’m not that mad but like, I’ve seen moderators get onto people for saying one off topic message

just trying to uphold some sort of standard ig

[worthy rose]

She was the only one left in a battle with a gwishin omnic when everyone else on her team had been knocked out

Zen and Genji are actually friends?

[mossy hamlet]

zen is genji’s mentor

[worthy rose]

I know Genji meditates with zen

Oh

[mossy hamlet]

closest thing to a father figure, though not really

[worthy rose]

Yeah well.

The omnic ripped her last working fusion cannon off tho, he defeated it by overloading the reactor of her mech

Shimada family

Aka dva bomb

[worthy rose]

I HATE HOW DVA MECH HAS A NAME NOW

It always did

Tokki

I hate how beatiful Roadhog and Junkrat friendship is.

Hate is a strong word

Be careful how you use it

Mhm

It just makes me jealous

They rob banks together

Their relationship isn't perfect

Eh

What would they be if they werent tigether

Junk actually fouled up the plan to sneak into junkertown and raid the treasury

One its the psychopath brain
And the other one its the monstrosity strength

They are perfect

[worthy rose]

Well

The brain and the brawns lol

Yeah

Do we know who designed genji's armor?

I think partly ow, but mostly genji himself

Mhm

Black watch skin im gessing its before genji enterd overwatch

You can see the scratches on his body that hanzo caused him

[soft glen]

are all omnics sentient

[worthy rose]

Is it strange to wonder what Rein would look like without his armor

True

Its a mystery

I bet Rein was quite the ladies man when he was younger lol

[mossy hamlet]

I mean, black watch is part of overwatch

so how would he be in black watch before overwatch

or am I missing something

[worthy rose]

Yeah their black ops division

Blackwatch upgraded genji's cybernetics after he agreed to help the organization topple his clan

Yeah

Was his arm fully amputated?

Idk, Genji's blackwatch skin gives the best idea of what he looked like soon after his fight with Hanzo

And Hanzo doesnt regret whta he done to him

He wanted to proof hes better