Buddhism, Taoism, and possibly Confuciusism
#lore-discussion
keen summit
Sure but we'll rip it apart if it has faults
leaden reef
Head canon: Bob does something
broken cargo
omg wtf is that
bitter kayak
do omnics need to eat something? or theyre just.. there
worthy rose
any1 with mic wanna play add me if u want or dm me: Topg#22641
any1?
did they turned off slow thing?
oh its not lfg
sorry
naive island
Who wanna play overwatch 2 unranked? for fun?
fleet crown
Who wanna play overwatch 2 unranked? for fun?
Go to LFG chats for that if u want a group 
radiant steeple
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limpid agate
do omnics need to eat something? or theyre just.. there
They dont eat
This is addressed in Stone By Stone
maiden cairn
sigma solos
patent badge
Why does dva and the rest of the meka team wear skin tight suits? Doesn't seem like it's necessary
drifting viper
Why does dva and the rest of the meka team wear skin tight suits? Doesn't seem l...
They kind of fixed that with dvas ow2 skin
Shes wearing some armour now
raven mesa
sigma solos
He does fr
limpid agate
Why does dva and the rest of the meka team wear skin tight suits? Doesn't seem l...
I think its just a design choice inspired by Evangelion
gritty creek
they also need to be able to quickly get in and out of the MEKAs without anything ripping or getting stuck
split granite
Why does dva and the rest of the meka team wear skin tight suits? Doesn't seem l...
Gonna assume it’s for practical uses seeing as their pilots
Oh yeah like eva
vague hazel
Why does dva and the rest of the meka team wear skin tight suits? Doesn't seem l...
For booty
raven mesa
I think its just a design choice inspired by Evangelion
I can see that
limpid agate
Please dont shitpost offtopic memes here
vague hazel
Please dont shitpost offtopic memes here
Wait is that off topic if it’s for overwatch
limpid agate
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
dense sable
100% ana and reinhart already did it that's my only contribution here
drifting viper
Whyd ana abandon her husband and kid
peak escarp
she had amnesia
and when she regained her memory, she figured it was better to just stay dead
Pharah wasn't really a kid at the time though - she was 26
split granite
she had amnesia
I wonder if pharah ever told her dad ana was alive
peak escarp
they have an interaction about it
split granite
they have an interaction about it
Oh they do?
peak escarp
Pharah: Isn't it time you told Sam that you're alive?
Ana: You let me worry about what your father needs to know.
eternal copper
who's pharah's dad again?
peak escarp
or something like that
gilded folio
bro just stop
peak escarp
ignore them
split granite
Pharah: Isn't it time you told Sam that you're alive?
Ana: You let me worry abou...
Oh okay cool
I can’t wait to see more of pharah in ow2 pve
She is so interesting but we don’t see much of her sadly
split granite
New blood was the first time we saw pharah in lore since 2017 right?
peak escarp
yep
split granite
Was there hints at other gods similar to Anubis or not? It’s one part of the lore I no little about
peak escarp
Was there hints at other gods similar to Anubis or not? It’s one part of the lor...
Anubis is the only one
split granite
Anubis is the only one
Oh okay suppose that makes sense
Did you all see ramattras abilities?
They explain how they work which is pretty cool
eternal copper
thought there were other god ais that got locked up after anubis turned rogue
split granite
thought there were other god ais that got locked up after anubis turned rogue
Unsure tbh
eternal copper
same
eternal copper
maybe like sigma's hypersphere in shape?
split granite
Naeri isn't a reliable source
I heard people talking about his abilities getting revealed and naeri was just the first person I saw post it
Assuming it isn’t real then?
peak escarp
they're notorious for posting things without sources and even just making things up
it could be real, but there's no source
limpid agate
Id recommend deleting the image
split granite
Good idea
worthy rose
The anubis AI just a security program for the military installation there, it's not by definition a god
worthy rose
@peak escarp source?
peak escarp
Fareeha Amari dreamed of being part of Overwatch with her mother Ana, only to see it disbanded before she had the chance. She found success as “Pharah”, head of an elite security squad guarding the rogue AI that started the Omnic Crisis. But now that a new Overwatch has returned, Pharah's dreams are finally becoming a reality.
worthy rose
I don't remember reading anywhere implying that
peak escarp
Pharah's origin story on PlayOverwatch.com
worthy rose
Hmm
peak escarp
also the Portuguese dialogue on the Esperanca map mentions "Anubis's forces"
worthy rose
@peak escarp what's funny is on the Temple of Anubis map there's no evidence of a military installation whatsoever, must be underground or something
Oh sorry I'm pinging you again
My bad
peak escarp
read the comic "Mission Statement"
peak escarp
peak escarp
it wasn't destroyed
worthy rose
naruto solos the lore
worthy rose
it wasn't destroyed
Is there any mention of what ultimately happens to the AI
peak escarp
it was put back into quarantine by Pharah's team
young cedar
Genji didnt get a cyborg body because he wanted to be stronger right?
drifting viper
Hes basically describing soujorn
peak escarp
Sojourn initially got cybernetics because she needed them to save her life, but she later opted in to better cybernetics
worthy rose
Sojourn initially got cybernetics because she needed them to save her life, but ...
She's more machine now then woman, twisted and evil
peak escarp
not evil at all
worthy rose
Ik I'm quoting star wars smh
primal junco
darth vader isnt it
worthy rose
darth vader isnt it
He gets it
peak escarp
it's not a very fitting reference
patent tiger
has her powers been confirmed has being magic?
worthy rose
Who's powers?
patent tiger
there's nothing else they could be
magic is just science we don't understand 😛
idk, magic in ow doesn't bother me much since we already have science that's undistinguishable from magic anyway
peak escarp
where?
Kiriko herself says that her powers come from the fox spirit
in her origin trailer and the short
Hanzo and Genji's dragons are spirit dragons too
patent tiger
Kiriko herself says that her powers come from the fox spirit
ok but that's not saying it's "magic"
worthy rose
Kiriko has an interesting lore story
worthy rose
ok but that's not saying it's "magic"
It's magic
patent tiger
i'm just saying because the dragons have been explained as being hard light
peak escarp
i'm just saying because the dragons have been explained as being hard light
source?
patent tiger
so why can't the fox be too?
peak escarp
the dragons being hard light was always just a fan theory
patent tiger
source?
don't have one sorry, i've seen it stated in youtube videos, and i think here but not sure
patent tiger
the dragons being hard light was always just a fan theory
oh, ok
peak escarp
you don't need to ping me for every reply
patent tiger
so as far as we know we might have alway had magic
worthy rose
Because the fox spirit is a type of Yokai
peak escarp
the former lead writer once said that the dragons are not magic
it seems that they don't consider "spirit" to be magic
worthy rose
The Kitsune spirit is basically a Yokai, or spirit straight out of Japanese folklore
patent tiger
so the fox spirit could be the same thing as them?
patent tiger
i never really liked the "dragons are hardlight" theory anyway
worthy rose
I'm curious about the nature of the dragon spirit that genji summons when he uses his Katana, does the summon it from within himself or does it reside within the blade
Same with Hanzo
patent tiger
if they're hardlight, they must be projected from somewhere i assume, if they really are spirits they might just appear out of nowhere
worthy rose
Seems plausible
ivory garnet
the dragons arent hardlight. The spirits come from within the users that are possible honored or honoring the dragon spirits. As Hanzo stated, only Shimada can summon the dragons
if they were hardlight, that would mean anyone can summon then
them*
patent tiger
hope they aren't, that would be stupid, you could justify anything with hardlight
worthy rose
the dragons arent hardlight. The spirits come from within the users that are pos...
I agree with this, hardlight doesn't seem as good as an explanation
patent tiger
i've seen somewhere someone theorized that the tattoo's are what projects the hardlight that makes the dragons but meh
ivory garnet
hardlight would ruin the statement that Hanzo said
patent tiger
again, really don't like that theory
ivory garnet
doubt the Shimada crime family would work with Vishkar
split granite
As long as overwatch doesn’t have many more magic characters idm
patent tiger
hardlight would ruin the statement that Hanzo said
it could mean only they know how to make them somehow, i mean in such a tecnologically advanced world what's the difference between a spirit and an AI?
worthy rose
I'm pretty sure the Shimadas say some kind of chant when they use their ults
peak escarp
Vishkar aren't the only makers of hard light
ivory garnet
just need more explanation on how you summon the dragons as a shimada
split granite
Probably similar to how kiriko does it
patent tiger
magic
worthy rose
Kiriko does hand signs when she summons her fox spirit
patent tiger
plot twist: the whole world of overwatch is magic, they just say it's tecnology to seem smarter
ivory garnet
only plausible reason that the dragons are hardlight is because they use a tool (arrow and sword) to summon them, then again, doubt its hardlight
worthy rose
From what I can tell the brothers don't do hand signs they simply recite something and summon their dragons
ivory garnet
yeah they dont, we only see Genji do a hand sign but it isnt much like Kiriko’s
patent tiger
kiriko's eyes glow when she summons the fox, could also mean something
the handsight could be like in naruto, just a way to help channel the energy used? idk
patent tiger
no matter how you put it, it's weird if you assume it's tecnology
worthy rose
I agree this is a good question they should explore
celest brook
guys i think sigma is a physics specialist
ivory garnet
good theory
patent tiger
my mind is blown
ivory garnet
just like his
celest brook
fr
worthy rose
He's an astrophysicist
patent tiger
i think winston is a gorilla
ivory garnet
hope we get more weak leaks for the PvE
worthy rose
I think Genji is a ninja
celest brook
i think that genji is japanese
ivory garnet
the one with Genji protecting Zen looks promising
worthy rose
I think Mercy is an angel
celest brook
i wanna lick and smell her sweet sweaty foamy feet
ivory garnet
you dont have lore regular
worthy rose
Well anyways kinda off topic guys
ivory garnet
for real tho how strong is d.va tho
not strong at all
celest brook
for real tho how strong is d.va tho
shes a gamer
patent tiger
she's a gamer, how in the hell is she so strong
celest brook
gamer girl
havent you heard her
"Its a skill issue"
which means that
i also wanna lick her feet
ivory garnet
well, strong enough to be added into the Overwatch team i guess
patent tiger
not strong at all
dude, did you see her fall in the cinematic, hitting the ocean like that after that explosion should probably kill her, not break a leg and an arm
worthy rose
@celest brook you need to touch grass
patent tiger
also considering that the defense matrix is actually her shooting down the projectiles what's her reaction speed
celest brook
THE UNIVERSE IS SINGING FOR MEEEE
ivory garnet
fairly fast if she is an esports champion
patent tiger
<@939901878379085825> you need to touch grass
he can't, he runs the game on low to gain 3 fps
worthy rose
Rip
patent tiger
fairly fast if she is an esports champion
fast enough to shoot down bullets xD
ivory garnet
she is just a normal human being with fairly good mechanic skill
but again, strong enough to be recruited into Overwatch
peak escarp
dude, did you see her fall in the cinematic, hitting the ocean like that after t...
it nearly did kill her
patent tiger
not nearly enough aparently
worthy rose
Alot of ex professional gamers like dva were chosen by meka because they already had the reflexes and response times
ivory garnet
D.Mon is stronger than D’Va? heard that somewhere. If so why wasnt she chosen to be recruited by Cassidy?
patent tiger
they had to resuscitate her
hey i'm not complaining, i just think baby d.va should be a bit stronger ingame, cause she clearly is not just the average girl
worthy rose
Poor dva
peak escarp
her boss said no, Overwatch showed up to help, then she changed her mind
peak escarp
hey i'm not complaining, i just think baby d.va should be a bit stronger ingame,...
she is just an average girl - one with military training and good reflexes, but still just an average 19-year-old woman
ivory garnet
hey i'm not complaining, i just think baby d.va should be a bit stronger ingame,...
bullets should have a higher chance of killing her rather than falling into water, in most cases you get put in a coma
peak escarp
you're also forgetting the advanced medicine of the 2070s
ivory garnet
yeah, surprised she didnt atleast become paralyzed for a bit
peak escarp
she almost died and was up and active a few days later
ivory garnet
is the next comic the Sojourn one?
patent tiger
you're also forgetting the advanced medicine of the 2070s
true, actually forgot their healing is just magic
ivory garnet
their healing is just technology as she was hospitalized and worked on by regular public doctors
patent tiger
i know it's technology i mean how much they can do
i mean you have a robot healing you with a religious gold ball xD
ivory garnet
Zen has canonically only been shown to help others, not medically though
ivory garnet
only actual medics we know are Mercy, Bap, Brig, and maybe Ana
peak escarp
there's a lot of stuff in the game that doesn't work that way in the lore
ivory garnet
not counting Moira as she is more of a chemist/scientist
peak escarp
only actual medics we know are Mercy, Bap, Brig, and maybe Ana
Ana isn't a medic - she just shoots healing darts
in the short story Bastet Jack comments on how badly she stitched up his wound
ivory garnet
ah, okay. Thats why I said “maybe” bc idk if I can count her as one since she just uses darts
patent tiger
that's so weird to me, i mean the series come from a game, and clearly i don't expect everything to be 100% equal but imagine if they decided to say "oh widow can't actually shoot"
ivory garnet
if she didnt have her heart slowed down, she would be a worse shot than Ana
unless she didnt have it slowed in Ana origin cinematic
then again, Ana stated she couldnt take the life she needed to
patent tiger
wasn't ana the better shot there? i mean she states she hesitated, so i assume she would have taken the shot first
peak escarp
Ana: shoots healing darts, not good at field medicine
Baptiste: trained field medic, works in a medical clinic
Brigitte: knows first aid
Kiriko: spirit healing
Lucio: plays good tunes, can't actually heal wounds
Mercy: trained surgeon and field medic
Moira: ethically questionable geneticist
Zenyatta: former Shambali monk with some unknown kind of healing
dense nebula
Ana: shoots healing darts, not good at field medicine
Baptiste: trained field me...
One of those things is not like the other, one of those things just doesn’t belong 
ivory garnet
lucio
dense nebula
I was referring to Kiriko smh
patent tiger
Ana: shoots healing darts, not good at field medicine
Baptiste: trained field me...
i want all those ways of healing to be valid in lore
dense nebula
patent tiger
pls blizzard
peak escarp
Lucio is the only support hero who canonically cannot heal you
patent tiger
let lucio actually heal in lore xD
ivory garnet
music lifts spirits = added speed and healing
💀
also just noticed Ramattra was at the end of Storm Rising
limpid agate
Thats where he was introduced
patent tiger
his music speeds up cell division, aka heals you but ages you more quickly 💀
lucio is actually slowly killing you
ivory garnet
still mostly waiting on seeing what “side” Hanzo chooses
ivory garnet
yeah, unless he decides to seek self-acceptance
patent tiger
how does hog make his healing breathers?
ivory garnet
I dont know if those are real, same with Soldier’s healing pod
patent tiger
sad, in junkertown he even has the machine to fill them, i though he made them himself
i mean that's the implication, but clearly the lore doesn't work by the same logic
peak escarp
they're canisters of gas to treat his radiation poisoning
celest brook
sigma 👍
karmic turret
Who is burnes?
worthy rose
I'm pretty sure solider's healing device just another variation of mercy's healing technology
Another application of it made against Mercy's wishes like ana's rifle shells
peak escarp
Burnes is an Overwatch agent mentioned in the voice lines who was so good at cards that she quit to play professionally
another throwaway name, like Emre Sarioglu
worthy rose
In other words another name without a face
Lore does it say where the technology solider uses to heal himself came from?
Is it what I suspect and it's another use of Mercy's technology
I'm kinda disappointed in Mercy's performance in ow2, she's kinda hard to use
Not that she was ever easy, but she's even harder now
worthy rose
I knew it lol
split granite
The sojourn Novel officially releases tomorrow correct?
peak escarp
it officially released October 11
and November 18
and November 8
I have my copy already
void stirrup
Looking for 5 people to try and see if junker queens achievement works on ps4
drifting viper
Wrong channel sry
drifting viper
do omnics need to sleep???
Hes probably charging
And they call that sleeping
Thats my guess
iron sail
Zenyatta is into bondage
split granite
it officially released October 11
I thought it had already released however I heard the novel is releasing tomorrow
Although that could just be worldwide maybe?
peak escarp
there have been several release dates given, and people have been getting their copies since October
the Kindle version comes out on the 18th
the Audible version came out on the 8th
split granite
It’s strange I’ve been hearing people say it releases tomorrow then? Then again a lot of people thought they only announced we wouldn’t be getting a hero in season3 today
A lot of really weird misinformation has been spread today
peak escarp
yeah
split granite
I wonder what the point is though all it does is confuse people in the community
peak escarp
split granite
Sorry kinda unrelated to lore Ik
peak escarp
the announcement tweet is from Thursday
split granite
I remember seeing it it’s just strange then why people thought it released November 15th
split granite
I need to read it soon but I’m just catching up on all the short stories
I’ve only read baptiste’s so far mauga is great
past copper
I wonder what the point is though all it does is confuse people in the community
Have you not seen how toxic people are being?
I swear, all I hear are overpriced shop this and player on role that
People just gotta find anything they can to hate on a game for real
split granite
Have you not seen how toxic people are being?
I don’t really wanna go into it because this is lore discussion but it just sucks how much misinformation has been spread over the past month by people who supposedly were trusted
Just kind of ashame to see the community get mislead
past copper
I mean… nah I can’t say anything. There’s fault on everyone’s part
peak escarp
this is why you only trust official sources
split granite
this is why you only trust official sources
I agree 100%
blissful patrol
lore is lored
mossy hamlet
you guys gotta update me on the sojourn novel’s additions to the lore btw/j
lavish solar
Sojourn novel was pretty good imo
Seeing the early days of the crisis in more detail was interesting
Got it on audiobook and the Sojourn voice actress is the narrator, thought she did a pretty good job.
gentle obsidian
Are Hammond and dva friends in some way
worthy rose
Not that I'm aware of, they are acquaintances at most
I think at some point they crossed paths
peak escarp
they haven't met
urban moth
doomfist when he realizes that his entire belief system of “conflict makes us stronger” is nullified by talon just using conflict for their personal enrichment
i’m like 90% sure doomfist would try to take down most of talon given the correct opportunity
they straight up don’t follow his own beliefs
at least, take down the squishies
the regular humans who work under talon
doomfist wouldn’t be the type of person to steal from the poor for the sake of it
peak escarp
he did throw a Talon leader off a balcony
because he disagreed with Doomfist's direction
urban moth
lmao
although i’d say that in the end
doomfist is a warmonger not for the sake of benefiting humanity alone
but because he just enjoys combat
that’s pretty obvious alone
gentle obsidian
because he disagreed with Doomfist's direction
Based
worthy rose
Personally I disagree with Doom's entire philosophy he uses to justify his actions, war doesn't make humanity stronger, it weakens and divides us
Yes when there's a common enemy people tend to band together, I think this is what doom has in mind, but when the fight is over what then?
Eventually old squabbles and divisions return
Personally I'm more like Zen, that living together in harmony and showing compassion is the only real way
peak escarp
we're not supposed to agree with Doomfist's ideology
humanity is stronger together than it is divided by conflict
worthy rose
Exactly
@peak escarp Personally I think the entire basis in doom's view is by starting a war people with similar interests will band together
But I think this is where the flaw in his whole view is, while this may make states or countries stronger, it does not make humanity stronger as a whole
Which according to him making humanity stronger is his ultimate goal
The only conclusion I can make is he is deluded and/or just a simple war monger
peak escarp
yeah pretty much
timid minnow
If Null sector gets strong enough, wouldn’t that make all the humans ban to together like during the last Omni-crisis? He’s making humanity stronger at the cost of Omnics.
limpid agate
That's the point, yes
bitter kayak
oh dear overwatch lore gods, was roadhog ever a parent?
peak escarp
nope
bitter kayak
alright thank you
drifting viper
but because he just enjoys combat
I agree
Doomfist is a smart tactician guy
But then he thinks planting a tree in a volcano is how you get trees to become more stronger
clever abyss
which hero has your favorite lore
bitter kayak
which hero has your favorite lore
doomfist
clever abyss
for me i love the shimada lore
past copper
Torbjörn’s supposed to get a skill tree ability that turns his turrets into flamethrowers
iron plume
@icy sage This channel isn't really the place for those
vague jetty
Is it true that magic isn't canon in the OW universe? Everything could be explained by science?
vague jetty
XD cause if so, I've been wanting an explanation on both Kiriko and the Shimada bros spirits
split granite
Yeah it’s confirmed spirits exists in ow
kindred nimbus
How does zenyatta float?
vague jetty
XDDD ahh
split granite
Something to do with the iris but we don’t know
vague jetty
Sigma has met with "the Iris"
split granite
Correct
cunning ledge
sigma is literally insane you cannot put too much trust in anything he says
vague jetty
But he is smart
summer tulip
What is the iris?
torn elm
Is it true that magic isn't canon in the OW universe? Everything could be explai...
Mercy, zenyatta, hanzo & genji, kiriko,
opaque scroll
Mercy is explained in the lore as far as I'm aware
iron plume
How does zenyatta float?
the same way that cars do, with tech
his healing is another matter
torn elm
bitter kayak
whats jq backstory?
kindred nimbus
Mercy, zenyatta, hanzo & genji, kiriko,
Mercy aint magic she heals with medical technology
It was nano something i forgot
vague jetty
Yeah, mercys healing tech was explained in her novel
grim ocean
whats jq backstory?
Thrown out of Junker town, lived in the wasteland for years, then came back and took down the junker king
drifting viper
What is the iris?
Its what allows you to experience tranquility
celest brook
L
worthy rose
Mercy aint magic she heals with medical technology
If i remember correctly. Mercy despite her age during the time was the BIGGEST contributor to the Medical technology due to her making the First ever NanoBiotic Technology which healed wounds.
But zen is the only one who heals by magic, no one knows how he heals, even mercy herself asked the same question
peak escarp
she pioneered the nanobiotic technology in her mid 20s
worthy rose
So yeah she was really quite young for that kind of age imo
worthy rose
Actually Kiriko heals with what I would classify as magic
peak escarp
yes
flat glen
has anyone else heard ana's voice line about a ghost in cairo she is dealing with
who is it refering to?
grand wedge
sojourn lore
You have a whole novel of Sojourn lore if you want
raven mesa
I need more sigma lore
raven mesa
but we dont know a lot which sucks
Yea
flat glen
she's talking about Ana (as the Shrike)
oh i would have loved a 3rd egyptain character lol
a tank
wed have egyptians across all roles
mossy hamlet
someone likes egypt
surreal bramble
Maximilian as a tank?
peak escarp
not likely
surreal bramble
not likely
It’d be interesting
It’s more interesting then him being like dps or support to me
peak escarp
I don't see Max being a hero at all
surreal bramble
I don't see Max being a hero at all
How come?
peak escarp
because he's a coward
surreal bramble
It’d be interesting if he was like a Batman type he plays the role of timid
But in actuality he’s more than capable of folding you
peak escarp
he'd rather run, or make a bargain, than actually fight
feral shale
guys
u know new hero
u cant jsut tell me that isnt david martinez from cyberpunk edgerunners in the cyberskeleton
search him up basically the same
surreal bramble
u cant jsut tell me that isnt david martinez from cyberpunk edgerunners in the c...
Mmm
Only difference is ram isn’t a drink in a bar nobody goes to
surreal bramble
Or a dlc jacket nobody wears
feral shale
ok
tall mica
go to his farm to find out
steel otter
👍
past copper
We finally got news on Ramattra’s abilities. They sound like a good mix
At least for one of the big bads like him
Think what you will about them I suppose. But I’m curious to see these abilities in action in the story
dense nebula
I think that was leaked by a not so reliable source
past copper
I found it on Naeri X’s Twitter. Don’t know if it’s reliable as you say. But they did say it was revealed in Korea on the tweet
elder wasp
We finally got news on Ramattra’s abilities. They sound like a good mix
You're in the lore channel
past copper
You're in the lore channel
Abilities are lore related. Because they are used by heroes as shown in the comics, shorts, and novels
mossy hamlet
I think it’s a thin line, but I do kind of lean towards TM on this one
but while we’re on the subject, that seems pretty interesting and fun
past copper
And disagreeing would be like saying Queen throwing her knife isn’t lore or that Genji’s dragon blade isn’t lore
So check mate
iron plume
Good call.
ivory garnet
sigma is so fuckin baller ong
we know pretty much all we need to know
ivory garnet
because he isnt a lore focused character. Yes, I would like for the future comics to have him in them, but theres not much they can do as Talon is keeping him in hiding for something big
drifting viper
Is sombra evil?
Ik shes part of talon which is evil but she backstabbed them in the infiltration cinematic
And shes nice to sigma in their voice lines
iron plume
Being nice and being evil aren't mutually exclusive
and she's definitely on the side of "bad guys"
she may not fully buy into their ideology but she still works for and supports them
surreal bramble
Is sombra evil?
she hacks omnics for fun I doubt she’s good
peak escarp
evil is kinda subjective
mossy hamlet
I’d say she’s just a bit devious
I’m not sure she actually has any malicious intent but she definitely has some mischief going on
elder wasp
What do you mean when you say evil?
worthy rose
is family guy canon in ow
peak escarp
is family guy canon in ow
no
worthy rose
aw man
surreal bramble
is family guy canon in ow
Only in junker town
worthy rose
is family guy canon in ow
Monkey>>>>>>>Family Guy
alpine pawn
rein doesnt have that much lore what makes the lore good is having rein in it tbh
sullen raptor
One thing i dont get it in doomfist story
He got defeated by winston right?
Then why he is standing victoriously at the end of animated?
Like dramatic pose in the gauntlet part
alpine pawn
cause it was his reveal trailer and he got free, so basically hype
drifting viper
no
Why cant it be, overwatch is our world but in the future
There is no proof to suggest that it doesnt exist in the overwatch universe
Imo the only difference in 2010s/2020s in the overwatch universe and our earth is that overwatch the game doesnt exist
drifting viper
Then why he is standing victoriously at the end of animated?
Because he broke out of jail and got his fist back is my guess
Or its a trailer and it doesnt actually mean anything
sullen raptor
Ooh
drifting viper
Doomfist must have some genetic enhancements since he was able to break through that wall just by punching it
peak escarp
he has a cybernetic arm
dense nebula
If his arm that wields the gauntlet was just a normal arm I’d feel sorry for him
worn lake
round prairie
EXACTLY these are the questions we should be asking
ivory garnet
the terms “good” and “evil” are subjective to both the sides that are using them. Sombra is apart of the terrorist organization Talon. She works and supports for them by getting what she wants her way. Reaper and Widow both necessarily dont like her, but Doomfist is fine with it as long as he gets what he wants, which is a world ruled by fighting or something like that
worthy rose
Is the game connected to the real world?
peak escarp
what do you mean?
split granite
Is the game connected to the real world?
As in literally? No
Otherwise not sure what this means
alpine pawn
i imagine they mean if their histories are the same up to certain point
limpid agate
Its supposed to be our world, 60 years in the future
Except for Japan. Japan has magic inexplicably
surreal bramble
Except for Japan. Japan has magic inexplicably
And their all ninjas
ivory garnet
and apparently still have heavily feudal families
peak escarp
they have yakuza clans, not feudal families
split granite
Yeah it’s still pretty accurate to the normal world up until like 2010s maybe a bit before that?
surreal bramble
It’s still weird to me how every Japanese hero so far is a ninja
split granite
It’s still weird to me how every Japanese hero so far is a ninja
Well yeah but it makes sense
noble spindle
Imagine lore
split granite
I never understood this complaint of why all 3 of the Japanese heroes are ninjas
That’s like being mad about junkrat Roadhog and Junkerqueen all being junkers
peak escarp
they're all connected to one family
split granite
Exactly
peak escarp
it would be weirder if they were all ninjas but completely unrelated
surreal bramble
I never understood this complaint of why all 3 of the Japanese heroes are ninjas...
It makes sense for them to be junkers tho
There’s not much you can do with mad max inspired Australia
split granite
Well okay another example is that Ashe Bob and cassidy are all western themed and American
Im just saying there’s a reason all 3 Japanese heroes are ninjas
shadow marsh
Traditions are in their roots
surreal bramble
Well okay another example is that Ashe Bob and cassidy are all western themed an...
Soldier is American
Reaper is American
past copper
And they’re both connected because they’re soldiers. So what’s your point?
Actually, better idea. If not ninja, what else should Genji, Hanzo, and Kiriko supposed to be?
Bc two of them are brothers who come from a Yakuza family who lived by traditional ways
And one trained alongside them
peak escarp
There’s not much you can do with mad max inspired Australia
the rest of Australia is normal though - we could get a hero from Sydney or Adelaide or Perth
past copper
Personally, I don’t see what the problem is
Genji and Hanzo were always meant to be ninja. Even back when they were just one character
split granite
A family of ninjas are all ninjas surprisingly
past copper
Kiriko being a ninja because she trained to be a ninja under her mom alongside the two brothers makes more sense then anything else
Bc what else could she have been? Japan is heavily known for only a few things when it comes to warriors
Samurai and ninja. And between the two, I guess ninja was just more sensible to use given they learn to adapt to survive
alpine pawn
i mean use of bow was if anything more related to samurai
surreal bramble
i mean use of bow was if anything more related to samurai
This
Hanzo should be a samurai
Not a ninja
past copper
So ninja can’t use bows why?
They literally use any and all weapons from their era
Then, realistically speaking, if Hanzo was a samurai, he’d have to be slower and less agile
Not to mention, samurai were more known to use bows on horseback rather than on foot
split granite
Btw hanzo and genji were originally one character so there wasn’t really any way of getting around them being… ninjas I guess? Which isn’t an issue anyway because they’re both cool asf
surreal bramble
Not to mention, samurai were more known to use bows on horseback rather than on ...
Hanzo has been alluded to have fought on horseback
split granite
Proof?
past copper
Alluded to isn’t proof
Wiki or OW page, there’s no mention of Hanzo or horse in the same context
peak escarp
I've never heard that
past copper
Especially since Hanzo trained with the sword before he took up the bow
surreal bramble
Especially since Hanzo trained with the sword before he took up the bow
He’d still fall under the samurai or ronin archetype
past copper
No he wouldn’t. His character from the start was always meant to be a ninja
Because that’s the kinda family traditions he came from
surreal bramble
No he wouldn’t. His character from the start was always meant to be a ninja
His design is Ronin esc
He uses a bow
split granite
I’m still failing to see the issue here
surreal bramble
Ninja use weapons that are very concealable
mild crow
genji = robot
past copper
The issue is at this point they’re just trying to come up with a reason why they think 3 ninja characters are weird
surreal bramble
The issue is at this point they’re just trying to come up with a reason why they...
Come up with reasons?
My guy
split granite
genji = robot
May be onto something here I think
surreal bramble
Their right in front of you
split granite
It’s double standard though
I’m not saying you can’t dislike the fact there’s 3 ninjas but how are you then gonna say 3 western heroes or 3 junkers are fine
surreal bramble
So kiriko couldn’t easily be a shrine maiden?
surreal bramble
It’s double standard though
I’m not saying you can’t dislike the fact there’s 3...
The Australians are fine because well it’s mad max
split granite
Technically 4 junkers but I’m talking about Australian heroes specifically
past copper
And what would she do as a shrine maiden alone?
surreal bramble
There’s not much to it
surreal bramble
And what would she do as a shrine maiden alone?
What she normally does
split granite
The Australians are fine because well it’s mad max
Okay the ninjas are fine because they’re ninjas
surreal bramble
Throw seals
past copper
Every hero has to fight in game
surreal bramble
Okay the ninjas are fine because they’re ninjas
That makes no sense when there are book loads of things they could be instead of ninjas tho
Like I said
Hanzo can easily be a samurai or ronin
past copper
Hence why she became a ninja with kunai
surreal bramble
Every hero has to fight in game
Shrine maidens did fight tho
split granite
Genji hanzo and kiriko all trained together the same way how would it make sense if they were all then completely different in how the fought?
split granite
Genji hanzo and kiriko all trained together the same way how would it make sense...
This is why they all have a wall climb in game to tie their training together
A perfect way of translating a heroes lore to gameplay
surreal bramble
Genji hanzo and kiriko all trained together the same way how would it make sense...
Ninja and samurai usually were from the same cloth tho
Remember ninjas are just spy’s
split granite
Precisely
past copper
And no. Shrine maidens or Miko were never trained to fight
So wouldn’t make much sense for Kiriko in a game where she has to fight
And Hanzo’s design is to represent traditional ways
Opposite of Genji who’s design represents the new ways
worthy rose
robot vs human
past copper
And Kiriko, who trained with them, uses both ways. “Some of the old some of the new”
surreal bramble
And no. Shrine maidens or Miko were never trained to fight
Ever heard of yamabushi?
Pretty sure they fought
Their a type of shrine based monks
past copper
Those are not shrine maidens though. Now are they?
peak escarp
yamabushi aren't shrine maidens
surreal bramble
It’d still fit
surreal bramble
yamabushi aren't shrine maidens
Their pretty much the same thing tho
Their both just monks
peak escarp
not really
past copper
Your explanation is flawed
peak escarp
that's like saying a friar and a cardinal are the same thing
past copper
I’m almost afraid to ask this, but do you know about Japanese culture? They’re traditions and such?
surreal bramble
I’m almost afraid to ask this, but do you know about Japanese culture? They’re t...
As far as you’ll get from being in the south
Yeah
past copper
Okay, I’ll take that as a no then. Bc what you’re asking is for Hanzo, Genji, and Kiriko to live by their real world roles
Hanzo as a samurai. Genji as a ninja. And Kiriko as a shrine maiden
Two trained to fight while the only training the other got was how to dance mostly
mossy hamlet
okay wait is it fair to call hanzo a samurai
past copper
No. Bc his family was a ninja clan
surreal bramble
okay wait is it fair to call hanzo a samurai
He wears clothing similar to it
past copper
How you can get samurai outta that idk
surreal bramble
He also doesn’t use the tools of a spy either
past copper
This is literally how they looked younger
Both dressed the same
Both trained the same
But both chose different lifestyles
alpine pawn
i know hes a ninja but the obsession with honor but actually having no honor, the family name and the bow just make me think of that
mossy hamlet
He wears clothing similar to it
yeah but he doesn’t really live by the samurai code 🤔 if anything he’d be a ronin, but of course that’s ignoring the fact that he was part of a crime family so just about as far from a samurai as you can get
surreal bramble
yeah but he doesn’t really live by the samurai code 🤔 if anything he’d be a ron...
I’ve said that
He just doesn’t fit the role of ninja
past copper
Except for the fact that he, Genji, and Kiriko all trained under Kiriko’s mom with a sword
surreal bramble
Except for the fact that he, Genji, and Kiriko all trained under Kiriko’s mom wi...
Using a sword doesn’t make him a ninja
past copper
It does if that’s what he was trained to be
surreal bramble
Ninja are just spy’s
They usually use concealed weapons
Or farm tools
Genji fits that
Kiriko does
Besides the seals
alpine pawn
hanzo used stealth to dispatch the hashimoto
if anything kiriko is the least ninjai she just punched them lol
mossy hamlet
and, to zoom out, why are we holding these fictional magical ninjas to the same standards as actual shinobi
past copper
Ninja are assassins and spies. They trained in stealth. Which he uses. They trained to use any weapon. Which he does. Ninja can have honor too. Anyone can. Which he does
mossy hamlet
like they literally summon animal spirits to fight for them
alpine pawn
yeah like samurai werent honorable people sometimes they just followed the bushido and were a social class
like if you read old japanese history samurai do a lot of plotting and backstabbing
mossy hamlet
their “code of honor” was also just doing the jobs that the people who payed them told them to do
it wasn’t intrinsically honorable or virtuous; just “do your job and honor the people who pay you”
“or else you should DIE”
alpine pawn
yeah they were like knights, the ideal of the virtuos honorable warrior came after or was only present as fairy tale
peak escarp
samurai were more like mercenaries than knights
past copper
Yes, and there are some traditions Japan had towards women. Which gave birth to kunoichi female ninja. Which I think Kiriko represents
alpine pawn
well they were payed with land by a noble but they were painfully easy to buy
past copper
Regardless, Hanzo is a ninja. He trained in the ninja ways bc that’s the kinda family and lifestyle he came from
So all you can do is accept it
alpine pawn
i mean yeah he is
uhm tho a samurai heroe wouldnt be that weird, specially considered theres people that train as samurai in modern japan
mossy hamlet
that is true
mossy hamlet
well for one thing, the team has been talking about melee dps heroes every so often
peak escarp
because people keep asking them
alpine pawn
i mean they dont have to be shimada lol
past copper
People keep asking, but when they do get one, the community finds problems to pick at
Such as they do with Doomfist and Genji right now
surreal bramble
how does genji fit that please
Slim build,looks like a ninja, uses a short blade(forgot the name) and throwing stars
past copper
Tantō, katana, shuriken
peak escarp
I think his sword is more likely an odachi
based on its size and the fact that he wears it on his back
alpine pawn
i suck at weaponry names
peak escarp
then a daikatana at least
dense nebula
Mfw a damn ninja is running around with an Odachi
alpine pawn
i mean genji trows his shurikens
peak escarp
Genji isn't considered a melee hero
mossy hamlet
Slim build,looks like a ninja, uses a short blade(forgot the name) and throwing ...
“they usually use concealed weapons/farm tools”
his katana/odachi/whatever is not very concealed, plus shinobi didn’t actually use swords because they almost always costed a lot of money, which ninjas didn’t have
or a tantō
dense nebula
Not to mention the laws against having larger blades back then
mossy hamlet
true
peak escarp
Genji is a ninja
mossy hamlet
yes
past copper
Genji actually uses a wakizashi (short blade) and a katana
peak escarp
why? because we're told he's a ninja
past copper
Though, something to notice is that Genji’s swords were different
The sword he had younger was a straight blade while the one he has now is curved
I don’t think the blade he used when he was younger was a katana if it was straight
surreal bramble
“they usually use concealed weapons/farm tools”
his katana/odachi/whatever is no...
They uses farm tools n shit
Or well
Farm tools that were practical
peak escarp
improvised weapons
surreal bramble
They also wore normal clothes
alpine pawn
i do recall one ninja using archaic shotgun once in an ambush
past copper
Ninja did have weapons. One of which was a ninjato
mossy hamlet
They uses farm tools n shit
yeah I’m aware that they used improvised weapons which were usually farm tools
but genji doesn’t
surreal bramble
Your average Joe could’ve been a ninja
past copper
Which happens to be what young Genji uses actually
peak escarp
Genji is the western idea of a ninja
mossy hamlet
I feel like I got lost somewhere in this conversation so I’m just gonna see myself out
peak escarp
just like how Cassidy is the hollywood idea of a cowboy
alpine pawn
the guy no joke set a hiding spot on the road and when his target passed by he two shotted him in the body and fled lmao
surreal bramble
yeah I’m aware that they used improvised weapons which were usually farm tools
b...
His main weapon(his throwing stars despite(if I remember correctly) not actually being used in combat are pretty concealable
dense nebula
i do recall one ninja using archaic shotgun once in an ambush
One ninja was famous for being a sniper
Ninjas didn’t avoid guns btw
Or explosives
surreal bramble
Ninjas didn’t avoid guns btw
I just want some diversity with the Japanese characters
The junkers I get
alpine pawn
i can picture them being very practical yeah
dense nebula
Hell there’s a whole ninja clan who specialize in gunpowder and explosives
peak escarp
I think we're getting away from Overwatch lore
dense nebula
Tru
mossy hamlet
His main weapon(his throwing stars despite(if I remember correctly) not actually...
ok good point
alpine pawn
yeah and i should sleep anyways
desert yacht
Orisa mentions a vigilante in Cairo
this interaction in particular was with rein wasn't it?
peak escarp
it's with Ana
desert yacht
something like "what is happening in egypt ana... it sounds serious"
"i'm just putting some ghosts to rest"
"i trust you're doing the right thing..."
peak escarp
oh I haven't heard that one
desert yacht
oh I haven't heard that one
if you're interested https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxdluLfiGkBm8iPjFNAyJnqSdYXKl7bIlB
it's one of her only voicelines where she hasn't sounded confident
peak escarp
neat
haughty warren
I love doomfists character so much
He isn't an edgy comically evil villain like most
He's conversational and has reasons for wanting to kill everyone
Love him so much better than reaper
He's even polite somewhat
Even if he's a little narcissistic
S still a villain obviously
keen summit
Thats the point, he feels human, a persin who got too caught up with ends justify the needs
clever abyss
how long was genji with zenyatta again
heavy kraken
everyday I wake up and thank the dev team for making Soldier gay
brittle plover
whats up with the interaction with zen and sigma about the iris?
sigma said theyve met
elfin cloud
Can someone explain sigma's story to me?
grand wedge
how long was genji with zenyatta again
A few years maybe? We don't really know, but it was probably arounf the swiss HQ explosion that he left and met Zen somewhere
grand wedge
sigma said theyve met
Sigma could indeed have met the Iris - or it's just in his own mind
clever abyss
at what age did hanzo "kill" genji again?
grand wedge
Can someone explain sigma's story to me?
Sigma was an astrophysicist - went to experiment on a blackhole in space - his body and mind got fractured for a brief moment and he was left with his fractured mind and antigravities anomaly surrounding him. they locked him somewhere, Talon got him out - now he is ok again but still a bit lost in his own world sometimes
grand wedge
at what age did hanzo "kill" genji again?
we don't know for sure... Hanzo must have been around 26-28 and Genji 23-25 ?
clever abyss
i see
grand wedge
it was before Retribution ("8 years ago" since Recall)
and in Kiriko's letter - Asa said that the Hashimoto have been ruling for 12 years - and in Kiriko short story, around a "decade" ago
but we don't know if the letter and Yokai are set before the recall - or not ( i think asa's letter is the one most recent but.. not sure)
unborn dragon
did anyone got the skins from overwatch league?
balmy crescent
Sigma could indeed have met the Iris - or it's just in his own mind
Is the iris like a physical entity or is it something else?
pliant finch
Symbolic I think
iron plume
we don't know
Sigma seems to think it exists, wherther physically or just as a conscience
grand wedge
Is the iris like a physical entity or is it something else?
It's unclear for now.
paper sorrel
Is Hanzo from Overwatch?
iron plume
No
paper sorrel
Or Talon
iron plume
also no
paper sorrel
Is Genji part of Overwatch?
paper sorrel
Then why not Hanzo
iron plume
because he didn't join..?
limpid wigeon
iron plume
back when the old OW recruited Genji, Hanzo was still with the family
and when he left/Shimada were disbanded, he wasn't looking to join up with any organized force
because he felt like punishing himself for Genji's 'death'
and OW didn't reach out because he wasn't useful
Judging by his in-game interactions, if Talon were to reach out, he'd deny because he values independence
brittle plover
Then why not Hanzo
hanzo is just a dude trying to rebuild his path
paper sorrel
because he didn't join..?
Oh well that makes sense
clever abyss
lore based, who do you think is the strongest character?
in my opinion sigma, my dude literally controls gravity
hushed spire
sigma is pretty much god level at that point
summer tulip
What is moira's weapon?
gentle eagle
those golden things
summer tulip
No, like what does it do to enemy?
surreal bramble
Then why not Hanzo
Hanzo is like symmetra and the junkers,in between it all
surreal bramble
lore based, who do you think is the strongest character?
1.sigma
2.doom fist(and probably Ram)
3.soldier and reaper
4.Reinhard,Winston
gentle eagle
No, like what does it do to enemy?
oh
idk maybe a poison
clever abyss
judging by cinematics seems like Genji is OP
dense nebula
1.sigma
2.doom fist(and probably Ram)
3.soldier and reaper
4.Reinhard,Winston
- Sigma 2. Symmetra 3. Winston 4. Orisa 5. Ramattra/Doomfist
Symmetra’s only limitation is her imagination
Winston and Orisa have both beaten Doomfist in combat
surreal bramble
Winston and Orisa have both beaten Doomfist in combat
Tbh I don’t think doomfist was taking the fight serious he just seems like the type that wouldn’t
Reaper and soldier are also pretty strong
merry mason
Tbh I don’t think doomfist was taking the fight serious he just seems like the t...
If i remember right he is the one who pulled some strings so efi could get the funding to make orisa, it makes sense that he would only be testing her at first
surreal bramble
If i remember right he is the one who pulled some strings so efi could get the f...
He seems like the type that’d be using fights as a training
gray kayak
Can someone shed some light on the Shimada clan dragons? Are the dragons that we see Hanzo and Genji use spiritual, real, holograms, hard light?
split granite
Can someone shed some light on the Shimada clan dragons? Are the dragons that we...
They’re spirits
Just like kirikos fox spirit
gray kayak
What is their connection to the Shimadas?
split granite
Honestly the shimada dragons are a bit unclear as of now
To my knowledge blizzard have never really clarified what they are or their connection to the shimada
gray kayak
I see.
split granite
The only reason we’re certain their spirits is because of kiriko
gray kayak
We were having a little debate about the dragons in ow-serious, so I knew I could turn to the lore group for good intel
opaque scroll
The devs used to explain them as hard-light I think, or that might have been the community? Either way, they havent been confirmed as spirits for long
clever abyss
well no matter what we all know that Genji's ass is the killer
he can nullify the power of gods with it
primal sphinx
^ that
grand wedge
The devs used to explain them as hard-light I think, or that might have been the...
it was the community
sand totem
Hello?
clever abyss
sup
jovial nacelle
No, like what does it do to enemy?
if i had to guess based on her voice lines and background as a geneticist it probably breaks opponents down on a cellular if not genetic level, then kinda siphons off the products to heal herself and her allies.
as for her orbs i have absolutely no idea
primal sphinx
ive always thought of it as a kind of vacuum that sucks out like glucose/white blood cells/etc and whatnot out of the enemies and then transfers it to whoever she is healing
jovial nacelle
yee thats essentially what im saying, as for her fade, ult and ballz i havent the faintest idea
primal sphinx
same wavelengths my good sir
jovial nacelle
regardless ive always loved her idea as a character, considered going into genetics so she was like
summer tulip
yee thats essentially what im saying, as for her fade, ult and ballz i havent th...
Maybe she did something on herself like with reaper so now she can fade too
jovial nacelle
perfect 😎
jovial nacelle
Maybe she did something on herself like with reaper so now she can fade too
yee but exactly what she did idk
primal sphinx
maybe she can break apart cellular matter and reform is as a principle, which is how she sucks out energy and gives it and how she fades around
summer tulip
I first thought that she stops heart with this thing
And forgot that she refills heals with it
worthy rose
so if moira can restore that stuff could she fix reaper
restive crown
Purple ball hurt
Yellow ball heal
I think the purple ball tastes like grape
While the yellow one is pineapple juice
worthy rose
You think the PvE would also include Colossus battles, like the huge NS Robot in Zero Hour?
peak escarp
maybe
opaque tundra
We saw a glimpse of the titan thing from Zero Hour in the reveal event. Idk the timestamp but it was in the Gothenburg mission apparently
primal sphinx
I think the purple ball tastes like grape
nah that purple one is 100% prune juice
past copper
We saw a glimpse of the titan thing from Zero Hour in the reveal event. Idk the ...
The mission appears to be on Gothenburg where the team has to activate the defense system Torbjörn built to stop the Titan and bring down the command ship
Sounds like it’ll be fun to play actually
I just like that it shows not all the missions will be the same
In Rio, they boarded the command ship to take out the core, but not before dealing with the Behemoth
I don’t remember how Cole’s team and the MEKA dealt with the command ship in Busan tho
drifting viper
Reaper isnt gay
ivory garnet
Reaper is mexican and he is straight
frozen flint
can you show me proof that he isint straight
ivory garnet
He wouldnt catch feels for someone he hated
frozen flint
he was best friends with soldier wdym
ivory garnet
He had a wife before turning into reaper
frozen flint
he was obv cheating
like dude
they were best friends and even went to the same program
ivory garnet
Soldier didnt care about relationships, as he left his old boyfriend for Overwatch
frozen flint
more proof
ivory garnet
Reaper wouldnt have went to stalk his ex-wife if he didnt love her
ivory garnet
Reaper is straight
frozen flint
hes bi
ivory garnet
theres no proof leading to him being bi
iron plume
I think that's enough of this convo going nowhere
ivory garnet
no im being logical
primal sphinx
he was best friends with soldier wdym
Reaper got super mad whenever Soldier took over overwatch and he got moved to blackwatch and it ended up with both of them "dead"... i dont think those feelings were love...
iron plume
Stating things about the lore isn't homophobic
frozen flint
i think those were feelings of love
iron plume
you may think whatever you want but it's not backed up by evidence
frozen flint
confirmed*
iron plume
before Reaper and Soldier fell out they were battlefield friends
frozen flint
i believe that they are just unconfirmed fact
frozen flint
how do you know they didnt elope
iron plume
It's never mentioned in any official lore
ivory garnet
nor is there anything leading to it
frozen flint
therefore theres no proof of them not being sneaky wit it
iron plume
Stop.
frozen flint
its a discussion
iron plume
It's making shit up
ivory garnet
beliefs can happen, but believing something that has 0 proof to back it up is just making up a rumor/hoax
frozen flint
its a discussion
iron plume
Not anymore it isn't.
primal sphinx
its offensive to assume a characters sexuality regardless of if theyre straight, bi, asexual, gay, etc
he has a confirmed ex wife, also confirming that he is primarily heterosexual. not to say he cant be bisexual, but it is offensive both for characters and people to be mis identified with their sexuality so maybe we should just accept that based off the only confirmed facts, hes straight
subtle sonnet
This is being stunlocked on a point that seemingly has no evidence from an outsider perspective
iron plume
It's a discussion channel for actual lore, not baseless headcanons
frozen flint
we are disccusing with lore involved are we not?
primal sphinx
It's a discussion channel for actual lore, not baseless headcanons
i agree and cool name 😉
primal sphinx
we are disccusing with lore involved are we not?
and the lore turns contrasts the headcannon
iron plume
moving on
ivory garnet
Magician, you go by any pronouns?
dont wanna say 1 pronoun without knowing you want the other one more
iron plume
the big two are both fine
ivory garnet
okay
flint notch
So when they say the Shimada clan can control the dragons. What do they mean? Like, do the Shimada have magical powers?
primal sphinx
I think its kinda the same principle. I think the dragons are spirits like Kiriko's foxes and that the shimada clan are reincarnations of the dragons. thus, each shimada can access the spirit of the dragon that they were in their past life
literally only speculation but I feel like that makes a lot of sense especially since the story of thenorth and south wind dragons line up so well with hanzo and genji's storyline
gray kayak
So when they say the Shimada clan can control the dragons. What do they mean? Li...
Originally it was speculated by the OW community that the dragons were some sort of hard light, but with the release of Kiriko lore it seems more likely that they are spirits.
But without further lore information it's all speculation.
As Ren.sua said
flint notch
I think its kinda the same principle. I think the dragons are spirits like Kirik...
That actually makes a lot of sense
You should join the lore team
primal sphinx
That actually makes a lot of sense
hahaha i like the storyline a lot and i read a nonrelated comic a while back ago that had a similar concept of like people who were descednents of dragons and could channel it and so in my head it kind of works the same way
that and im obsessed with the shimada boys lol
flint notch
same
flint notch
hahaha i like the storyline a lot and i read a nonrelated comic a while back ago...
whats the comic called?
glacial maple
are the practice range robots omnics, if so, do they feel pain and are we torturing them?
primal sphinx
whats the comic called?
subzero. its on webtoon !
flint notch
oh cool thanks
primal sphinx
are the practice range robots omnics, if so, do they feel pain and are we tortur...
all i know is that if you wave at them they stop and wave back so now i feel bad killing them lol
ivory garnet
are the practice range robots omnics, if so, do they feel pain and are we tortur...
not that we know of since the only people who use omnics for war is Null Sector
and Talon ig, having Maximillan
glacial maple
the practice range bots arent really used for war tho
ivory garnet
they’re used for training, so maybe I shouldve said “fighting” not war
glacial maple
yeah
ivory garnet
1 thing I want the story developers to cover up is how the dragons are summoned. Because all we know are they need to be apart of the shimada family. Do they need a tool? Honor towards the dragon? a Pact?
glacial maple
the fox spirit tho, isnt it straight up magic?
ivory garnet
yes, that is magic I think
but that can be used through practice
its not restricted towards a clan
primal sphinx
yeah you just have to be "gifted" with the magic i think the word kiriko uses is
glacial maple
overwatch devs strictly sticking to the scifi theme just to add straight up magic in overwatch 2:
primal sphinx
in the short film, when hanzo summons his dragon, it comes out of his tattoo
and genji's comes out of his sword
maybe it has to be like linked to a certain thing
primal sphinx
overwatch devs strictly sticking to the scifi theme just to add straight up magi...
fine by me. science make brain hurt, magic fun
ivory garnet
yeah, but the magic ruins the universe and time line
primal sphinx
very very true
ivory garnet
but, we’ll learn more about Zenyatta in the PvE, so that can possibly help
primal sphinx
i am so excited trust me
i was rewatching all the short films and listening to a lorecast the other day and there are so many holes in the storyline and i have so many questions
glacial maple
broo thats gonna be horrible
they are going to be charging us money for cosmetics AND the actual new part of the game?
primal sphinx
they need to chill with these money grabs
final juniper
is there a sigma cinematic?
primal sphinx
unless its a 1 time pvE dlc purchase, which i can justify as like oh its like buying a new game
glacial maple
sigma is really fire as a character, i cant wait to see more of him
final juniper
hes probably the best designed character lore wise in the game
glacial maple
i also wonder how wrecking ball will fit into the lore of the game
right now hammond just kind of exists
grand wedge
existing is nice tho 🙂
final juniper
i mean he was on that space station with winston
glacial maple
yeah both of those are true
but junkertown is just completely disconnected from the rest of the lore pretty much
grand wedge
but we may encounter him randomly at some point - he is suppose to be travelling the world right now
ivory garnet
Junkers will most likely help Overwatch to take down Null Sector :P
grand wedge
but junkertown is just completely disconnected from the rest of the lore pretty ...
not completely - it's built on the ruins of an omnium
raven mesa
https://youtu.be/onplsJSdp4A
His origin story is fricken wild.. I thought he’ll be a villain…but I see him more of an Anti-Hero
final juniper
I wonder what will happen to the junker king?
ivory garnet
His origin story is fricken wild.. I thought he’ll be a villain…but I see him mo...
its just a guy thats confused and being taken advantage of
he wants violence tho
grand wedge
I wonder what will happen to the junker king?
he was cast out 10 years ago
so who knows
(Yes, JQ has been ruling fo a decade)
raven mesa
its just a guy thats confused and being taken advantage of
Lied to by talon using him as a tool
final juniper
I wonder if hell come back for revenge
glacial maple
I wonder what will happen to the junker king?
dead, probably
ivory garnet
only real villain is Ramattra and Doomfist imo, maybe Reaper aswell. You can make arguments to make alot of the villains “anti”
glacial maple
reaper is just straight up evil
ivory garnet
reaper just wants revenge against Overwatch
glacial maple
and also sometimes calls omnics "tin cans" in a voice line after killing one
ivory garnet
only real villain is Ramattra and Doomfist imo, maybe Reaper aswell. You can mak...
Moira aswell
final juniper
and also sometimes calls omnics "tin cans" in a voice line after killing one
also is really mean to the push robot