There's more to it ofc
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
Rein and his crusader unit were sent to defend Eichenwald when the omnic Army attacked it
noble pendant
Hmm so that must have been retconned cause I remember the individual countries were trying to handle the crisis on their own
grand wedge
Hmm so that must have been retconned cause I remember the individual countries w...
yeah i was surprised when i read it?
eternal copper
atleast you haven't become them or anything lol
grand wedge
but let's keep it out of spoilers for now - and since i'm not a native english speaker, there may have some things that i missunderstood while listening to the novel?
worthy rose
But Rein being Rein charged in and took a beating and his commander had to drag him to safety, while the rest of the unit retreated, but Rein and Von Adler were forced to hold up in the castle, in which his commander had been fatally wounded saving Rein
noble pendant
Ye you should finish it first, I have a lot of questions and I havent bought the sojourn novel yet so
worthy rose
Before Von Adler died he passed his overwatch acceptance medal to Rein and afterwards Rein joined Overwatch
grand wedge
Ye you should finish it first, I have a lot of questions and I havent bought the...
IDK if we can make threads or something on this channel? to speak of the novel spoilers - but since it's out on nov 15th (even if on Audible you can have it now) - we should wait anyway
noble pendant
We can't make threads sadly
worthy rose
You kinda have to peice together the whole lore of heros from various sources tbh
noble pendant
You kinda have to peice together the whole lore of heros from various sources t...
Yeah and theres a lot of headcannon once you're done with your specific hero
worthy rose
Of you noticed some hero skins have a story with them
noble pendant
Of you noticed some hero skins have a story with them
Mostly the archives stuff
worthy rose
Yes
worthy rose
I think that was the whole point of archives, to kinda explain events surrounding the lore of the game and it's heros
!lore Mei
Hmm what's the command that brings up a Hero's lord story I can't remember
oblique sleet
i wonder what will happen if Ramattra finds out that Talon (the organisation is associated with) killed one of his good friends, Mondatta.
eternal copper
ramattra joins overwatch XD?
worthy rose
I think Bap's lore story gives the most insight into Talon tbh
oblique sleet
ramattra joins overwatch XD?
i think he's gonna have a "personal" meeting with the council and members of Talon
worthy rose
Bap, Sombra, Reaper, Widow, Doom, all are or were members of talon
spark dew
among
worthy rose
Bap basically betrayed them when talon ordered him to kill innocent people and he refused
eternal copper
than he looted the place 😎
eternal copper
you know the orgin story video at the end with the tied up talon members
worthy rose
Oh yeah
grand wedge
Of you noticed some hero skins have a story with them
sadly they removed the little lore blurbs that were with the skins with OW2 
worthy rose
@grand wedge fucking Blizzard am I right? Lol
They can't do anything right with this game lmao
grand wedge
I want to believe they'll surprise us with some new website once the PVE is out and that we'll have new bios & a timeline & characters ages... but .. i don't want to hope for nothing lol
worthy rose
The lore of ow is what I always loved most about this game tbh
grand wedge
big same... came for the lore, stayed for the gamaplay
grand wedge
Rammatra gives me hope for the PVE & future lore - but Kiriko é the bios were a blow that's hard to accept...
grand wedge
But I know most of the lore associated with this game at this point
There's Sojourn novel
nice litle lore there and there tbh
but kind of some retcons I fear.. nothing big, but little things
worthy rose
Yeah as I said you gotta peice together the whole story associated with the lore events of the games and the heros
grand wedge
yup
i take notes - but it's hard since i don't have the novel yet - only listening to it ^^
worthy rose
I wanna see Kiriko's short
grand wedge
can't wait to be able to talk with other persons who've read it already and piece the things together
worthy rose
No I didn't
limpid agate
!!loreshorts
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Zero Hour: https://bit.ly/2JGfNBP
Wastelander: https://bit.ly/3O2Z8HP
Kiriko: https://bit.ly/3SPnLtS
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Sojourn: https://bit.ly/3KH4lmY
Junkerqueen: https://bit.ly/3tKMPrA
Kiriko: https://bit.ly/3qTLZXv
Ramattra: https://bit.ly/3U5M47C
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2VOkcXh
limpid agate
I'll see if I can make that less of a wall of text
grand wedge
worthy rose
@grand wedge that was actually a pretty decent short
But I see now why people compare her to dva in the sense she still kinda seems like a child
grand wedge
Yup
worthy rose
Still I like playing her, I just wish my aim was better lol
Why I usually stick to heros like Rein, Moira, Brig, and Mercy
Honestly I don't play heros I'm not at least somewhat skilled with, kinda an embarrassment for myself, and it's bad for my team
I used to be able to aim just fine and then one day it went poof lol
But I can sometimes play Zarya, and Winston
Sym and Torb are my dps mains
!!lore Mei
!!loresmei
@limpid agate sorry to bother you but do you know the command for accessing the lore stories?
I forgot
limpid agate
!!lorelist
twilit nacelleBOT
loreNewest -> The newest piece of lore
loreComics -> List of comics
LondonCalling -> List of London Calling issues
NewBlood -> List of New Blood issues
loreShorts -> List of shorts
loreTweets -> List of lore related Twitter teasers
loreText -> List of lore text articles
loreStories -> List of short stories and novels
loreHeroes [heroName] -> List of hero bios [Or a specific hero bio]
loreWiki [pageName] -> Link to Overwatch Wiki [or a specific page]
loreOnly [userName] -> A warning so you don't NEED to ping staff```Ah
Thanks
I just want to read the lore story for Mei again
And maybe Mercy and Brig
I'm kinda mad Mei, my secret favorite ow hero isn't in the game rn lol
plain nimbus
Wait, does doom get stronger after he gets defeated by Winston? I mean in the cinematic, looked like the escaped prison and got a new drip.
worthy rose
I believe Winston defated him and doom went to prison but he later escaped
plain nimbus
I have literally watch the doom cinematic like 30 times.
I literally don't know what's going on with me.
I keep rewatching overwatch cinematics
plain nimbus
I believe Winston defated him and doom went to prison but he later escaped
"every battle makes us stronger"
worthy rose
I've only read doom's lore story once I think
plain nimbus
And there was a doom gauntlet displayed in an another cinematic where widow and reaper tries to steal it.
Is it the same one after when doom escaped?
uneven isle
"every battle makes us stronger"
I dont think physically stronger but in a sense of will power if thats what you mean
plain nimbus
Like is there different gauntlets for him or like they make a better one
worthy rose
Honestly the lore channel is probably the most chill channel in the whole sever I think
The lore is what made me get into ow in the first place
civic light
i swear there is a point to this, have we ever seen soldier: 76 being gay in any sort of way or did they just say he’s gay
dense nebula
Wait, does doom get stronger after he gets defeated by Winston? I mean in the ci...
Doomfist is a Saiyan confirmed
grand wedge
I have literally watch the doom cinematic like 30 times.
Doomfist escapes while remembering his arrest by Winston & Co
dense nebula
i swear there is a point to this, have we ever seen soldier: 76 being gay in any...
It wasn’t obvious that’s for sure
grand wedge
He was arrested in Singapore 3 weeks after Maximilein was interrogated by OW in Storm Rising
plain nimbus
pour
grand wedge
oups, sorry, french Singapour - english Singapore
uneven isle
The lore is what made me get into ow in the first place
i started in 2016 and for the longest time i didnt even know there was any lore, and after hearing about it, it made the game more interesting when hearing certain interactions
plain nimbus
What is Maximilien?
uneven isle
hes part of talon
worthy rose
@civic light according to the lore I read while solider was in the Army he dated another male soldier
dense nebula
What is Maximilien?
An Omnic who runs a casino
plain nimbus
He was arrested in Singapore 3 weeks after Maximilein was interrogated by OW in ...
Singapore play a role in overwatch lore? The only think I knew was that echo was basically born there
grand wedge
What is Maximilien?
Who he is? That's him : Talon accountant
civic light
<@348205036569886721> according to the lore I read while solider was in the Army...
on screen or was this just mentioned
plain nimbus
An Omnic who runs a casino
Isn't it the one getting released or no?
grand wedge
Singapore play a role in overwatch lore? The only think I knew was that echo was...
Dr Mina Liao was born there. Echo's creator
worthy rose
It was in the OW wiki on him I read
civic light
i’m writing a paper on kinds of representation and i just wanna be thorough
dense nebula
Isn't it the one getting released or no?
That’s Ramattra
plain nimbus
Dr Mina Liao was born there. Echo's creator
Yeah, it basically represents Liao.
worthy rose
I would do more research
dense nebula
i’m writing a paper on kinds of representation and i just wanna be thorough
Here’s a better option to write about rep, Borderlands
If you think Hammerlock isn’t cool you’re dead wrong
grand wedge
<@348205036569886721> according to the lore I read while solider was in the Army...
He dated a man named Vincent that was a civilian, not a soldier
plain nimbus
That’s Ramattra
What, did I get the wrong info?
dense nebula
Yep
civic light
Here’s a better option to write about rep, Borderlands
i need an example of bad representation like soldier lmao
worthy rose
He dated a man named Vincent that was a civilian, not a soldier
Ah that's right
plain nimbus
Then who is rammatra?
grand wedge
Then who is rammatra?
Null Sector Leader
dense nebula
Leader of Null Sector
worthy rose
I know eventually they broke up tho
grand wedge
the next tank hero
dense nebula
He’s a figurative and quite literal Shepard of Null Sector Omnics and he leads on the front lines
plain nimbus
Who he is? That's him : Talon accountant
I thought this guy was like an another leader of Talon along with Doom.
grand wedge
We met him in Storm Rising ploting with Doomfist :
uneven isle
I thought this guy was like an another leader of Talon along with Doom.
hes high in talon yea
worthy rose
@grand wedge which hero's lore is your favorite I'm curious
grand wedge
He sin't in Talon - he worked with them to his own ends
dense nebula
Mauga believers eating nothing sadly 
plain nimbus
I wonder who's the founder of Talon
grand wedge
Mauga believers eating nothing sadly <:AFrog:585665595685601282>
He will be the next tank d'ont worry too much
worthy rose
I believe the guy doom killed and took power over Talon from
dense nebula
Watch it be Sanjay
grand wedge
People are too hyped about him to not release him soon
dense nebula
grand wedge
I wonder who's the founder of Talon
We don't know
dense nebula
I do want Max and Hamid Faisal to be the next two supports
plain nimbus
I believe the guy doom killed and took power over Talon from
Idk but I heard the one he killed was like the previous "Doom".
dense nebula
Lynx just doesn’t seem interesting enough to be a hero
worthy rose
I know there was a leader of Talon before doom and doom killed him
dense nebula
We already got omnics, and we already got a hacker
grand wedge
<@230764747912380417> which hero's lore is your favorite I'm curious
it's.. complicated x) I love the old soldiers lore (Jack/Reaper/Ana/Rein/Torb)
worthy rose
Mei is mine beyond a doubt
grand wedge
I like complicated stories with complicated feelings and change of path/state of mind of the characters
So i'm going to love Ramattra
grand wedge
(my discord always send pictures twice idk why x) )
worthy rose
So what Ramattra is like the Moses of the omnic uprising or something?
plain nimbus
Abit off topic here; I heard or-15 or orisa was made to kill doom. Was it already programmed in or-14's or like was it changed by that kid
dense nebula
So what Ramattra is like the Moses of the omnic uprising or something?
Yeah
Basically
worthy rose
What I thought
dense nebula
He’s basically walking up to Ramses and saying he has a case of letma
Letma people go
worthy rose
The or-15 were the previous bots made to defend numbani
elder wasp
So what Ramattra is like the Moses of the omnic uprising or something?
He's like Magneto
dense nebula
Orisa is basically Android 16 if we’re being honest here
grand wedge
Abit off topic here; I heard or-15 or orisa was made to kill doom. Was it alread...
OR-15's were made to defend Numbani as a whole
worthy rose
But doom defeated them all, orisa was made from parts left over from the or-15 bots
dense nebula
Which rocked his shit so hard he fled Numbani
worthy rose
Ye
plain nimbus
But then some argued that orisa can pack doomfist.
worthy rose
Orisa was made to defeat doom and protect the city
grand wedge
Efi modified her with that in mind yeah. Because she witnessed Doomfist wanted to create chaos in Numbani and divide its people
dense nebula
Designed to kill or at least beat a powerful opponent, loved nature and peace
I want Android 16 back man
grand wedge
Did rein fought a or-15?
Only OR 14
worthy rose
If you played on numbani, you know how you spawn in the airport terminal if your attacking?
plain nimbus
So rein got destroyed 1v1 with a or-14
worthy rose
There's what's left of one of the or-15 bots slammed into the wall that doom destroyed
grand wedge
Remember that gameplay doesn not equal lore
grand wedge
There's what's left of one of the or-15 bots slammed into the wall that doom des...
this one is the one that became Orisa
worthy rose
Oh really?
dense nebula
I don’t know how the fight played out
grand wedge
Yeah
worthy rose
I just thought it was a nameless bot that doom defeated
grand wedge
I don’t know how the fight played out
pretty one sided xD
dense nebula
Bruh
I hate when they do that
No stakes smh
It would’ve been cool that Orisa got upgraded after she got badly damaged so in a way that makes Doomfist win
Because she evolved through conflict
And came back stronger
But no
worthy rose
There was a sniper duel between widow and Ana I believe
dense nebula
We can’t have poetic writing can we
plain nimbus
What's the name of bastion kind?
worthy rose
Or maybe it was a member of widow's family I can't remember
plain nimbus
What's the name of bastion kind?
Like what are they called
worthy rose
Bastion was a Frontline combatant in the omnic crisis
plain nimbus
Someone told me bastion wasn't in the fight
worthy rose
But after it ended he kinda just started wandering around curious about everything
dense nebula
Like what are they called
He’s an E-54 model
plain nimbus
But after it ended he kinda just started wandering around curious about everythi...
Yeah basically that
I want to learn more about sigma but like he's mentally ill so I can't even trust his voicelines
worthy rose
@plain nimbus I know sig's lore
In short he was doing an experiment on a station in orbit, and accidentally opened up a black hole right in front of him for a split second and basically the power from the singularity mentally damaged him
plain nimbus
So how did get control of this black hole
worthy rose
It gave him the powers he has, but he couldn't control them so he was locked away in a secret facility until talon tracked him down and freed him but not really
lyric mountain
Sigma lore sadder than Mei's tbh 😔
worthy rose
Talon is using him and his research and because of what happened to sig he's too out of it to realize what's going on
uneven isle
I like to think that his mind is constantly expanding more and more so much that his voice lines sounds crazy, but are actually making sense but not to normal people because they cant comprehend his thoughts
worthy rose
Something like that
plain nimbus
Talon is using him and his research and because of what happened to sig he's too...
Oh I thought he was controlled by overwatch
worthy rose
But according to the lore by definition he's insane
No he wasn't, before the accident we worked for overwatch
plain nimbus
They say he doesn't understand what he is going through
worthy rose
Exactly
Basically he perceives the universe in a way that doesn't makes sense
He compares the universe to a musical melody, he's basically fixated on that
grand wedge
But according to the lore by definition he's insane
he has brain damage. He isn't insane
Is juts sorta out of it sometimes and not very aware of his surroundings at times.
worthy rose
If I remember right ater they Talon captured him they gave him something that allows him to control his powers but it also let's Talon control him
plain nimbus
Is juts sorta out of it sometimes and not very aware of his surroundings at time...
Yeah so that's why he does violence right
grand wedge
The get him out of a facility and "cured" him . We don't know to what extent. But he clearly has brain implants
grand wedge
Yeah so that's why he does violence right
because for now - he isn't in the frontlines
He is just doing scientific stuff in a lab
plain nimbus
Another totally off topic question, what is Hanzo part of?
worthy rose
Yeah and Talon is stealing his research and he isn't aware of it
grand wedge
he isn't a mercenary - and in the lore - we never seen him fight once
worthy rose
He was part of the Shimada Clan
grand wedge
Another totally off topic question, what is Hanzo part of?
He was part of Shimada clan. That's all
worthy rose
He was actually the heir to it
plain nimbus
But currently.
grand wedge
Affiliated to no one
plain nimbus
Ok then how about kiriko?
grand wedge
I suppose he will join his brother and Overwatch at some point
uneven isle
Genji told him the world was changing and its time to pick a side, so hes probably just wandering trying to find what side he belongs on or if he should even be on one
grand wedge
Ok then how about kiriko?
she is Yokai - her group of defender of Kanezaka
plain nimbus
she is Yokai - her group of defender of Kanezaka
Oh wait yeah.
She made her "own" ways
worthy rose
After Genji betrayed the clan Hanzo was sent to kill Genji, which he thought he did and almost did bur mercy saved him, afterwards Hanzo also betrayed the clan and went soul searching I guess all the while assasins are hunting him
The Shimada clan fell apart though, and their rival clan took over
Started Terrorizing Kanezaka
Hanzo found out years later his brother genji was alive
iron osprey
Did Hanzo leave genji severely injured or did he actually kill him and mercy revived him
plain nimbus
I was about to ask for tracer but nvm because tracer sounds too complicated
plain nimbus
Did Hanzo leave genji severely injured or did he actually kill him and mercy rev...
Hanzo did say "My brother was dead". So he wouldn't be surprised if he didn't finish genji.
uneven isle
Did Hanzo leave genji severely injured or did he actually kill him and mercy rev...
he left him thinking he was dead
worthy rose
Yeah basically Hanzo injured Genji so bad he assumed he was dead and left, but Mercy saved him
limpid agate
Did Hanzo leave genji severely injured or did he actually kill him and mercy rev...
Mercy didn't "Revive him"
This is Rez in the lore
Genji was on death's bed. He needed more intensive care
Mercy would have been his doctor, and did save his life.
uneven isle
basically a Darth Vader type situation
limpid agate
But it's not the in game rez you might be thinking of
worthy rose
Yeah after this Genji gets all his fancy prosthetics
worthy rose
basically a Darth Vader type situation
Pretty much.
But without losing someone he loved
plain nimbus
I mean without his prosthetics, he looks like he survived a forest fire
uneven isle
Yea
plain nimbus
Am I limiting it?
worthy rose
This isn't the place for this discussion this is the lore channel
I would try a different channel
<@&397922982632226816> this channel is for ow lore conversations only right? Or am I wrong?
hallow harbor
very true (also jst for future reference u can use modmail to get our attention)
please keep lore for lore tysm
peak escarp
Mercy saved his life first, then Overwatch offered him a cybernetic body in exchange for his help dismantling the Shimada family
peak escarp
he agreed to their terms because the fight left him paralyzed, and he wanted to walk again
worthy rose
@peak escarp honestly it sounds like overwatch played on genjis emotions and manipulated him lol
peak escarp
possibly
uneven isle
<@207741110838231042> honestly it sounds like overwatch played on genjis emotion...
maybe not manipulated, hes pretty intelligent and probably knew that they were using him for that, but went along anyways. idk maybe not
split granite
<@207741110838231042> honestly it sounds like overwatch played on genjis emotion...
Maybe but a lot of overwatch agents really did like genji
From his blackwatch era he seemed to have somewhat of a relationship with mercy and his blackwatch squad (despite his lack of talking) and tracer was someone he trained with
I just never got the impression reyes was using genji anyway
And then from zero hour we can tell tracer and winston obviously we’re friends with genji so it’s nice to know that he eventually found his place in the organisation
Also on a related note I love the overwatch team lineup currently
I’ve seen some theories maybe saying that Cole will become the leader of ow with mercy and pharah being like the reyes and Ana to cassidys jack
Idk the evidence is really only a single photo pharah has of them 3 together
uneven isle
He doesnt really seem much like a leader imo
peak escarp
Cassidy is definitely not the leader
the leader is Winston, or possibly Sojourn when she comes back
Cassidy was just recruiting new members for Winston
drifting viper
Definitely winston
Itd be wierd if it wasnt him
Hes very recognizable to people who dont play overwatch
He was the one who did the recall
And he was going to sacrifice his life in the overwatch 2 cinematic
worthy rose
Yeah I'll be shocked if anyone else besides Winston is made Strike Commander
grand wedge
not sure they're going to go full military grades & stuff because they are basically, outlaws right now
But Winston is de facto, the leader for now.
worthy rose
Perhaps manipulating genji is a stretch too far, but there's no doubt they convinced him to help them destroy the Shimada Clan, and that genji must have not been completely willing at first
I mean since the clan was his family, he was born and raised into it
grand wedge
it's sketchy, ever since Kiriko lore has droped...
worthy rose
He had to be at least somewhat reluctant to destroy all that
grand wedge
Cassidy & 76 do have a voiceline talking vaguely about "whet they did in Japan" that could be related to the Shimada (or something else)
worthy rose
I agree we need more details on Kiriko's lore
noble pendant
I mean since the clan was his family, he was born and raised into it
Wasn't he mad at his brother and wanted revenge or something?
grand wedge
But now, we have the Hashimoto that "assassinated" Sojiro...
uneven isle
Wasn't he mad at his brother and wanted revenge or something?
At first, and also mad about what his body became
grand wedge
so either BW murdered him and put it on the Hashimoto, and they rolled with the opportunity
worthy rose
Exactly
grand wedge
or it's still unclear what really happened - or it's going to be a retcon
noble pendant
so either BW murdered him and put it on the Hashimoto, and they rolled with the ...
That makes sense, cause Genji was part of BW
grand wedge
because the rule is : all new lore that contradict old lore is now the new canon
worthy rose
Oh no
noble pendant
because the rule is : all new lore that contradict old lore is now the new canon
I mean that happens in all sorts of IPs
peak escarp
But now, we have the Hashimoto that "assassinated" Sojiro...
his death was listed as "sudden" and "untimely" previously, so it's not a retcon
worthy rose
Wasn't he mad at his brother and wanted revenge or something?
No genji didn't much care for the affairs of the clan but he didn't hate it
Remember genji preferred to be more of a playboy in his youth then take part in the family business
noble pendant
No genji didn't much care for the affairs of the clan but he didn't hate it
But then his brother while trying to convince him to take greater part in leadership fought him and almost killed him
peak escarp
it definitely wasnt Blackwatch - they came in later to clear out what was left of the clan after Genji and Hanzo were gone
noble pendant
Wouldn't that sway his opinion?
worthy rose
But then his brother while trying to convince him to take greater part in leader...
If I remember right genji left the clan, and the clan sent Hanzo to kill him
peak escarp
Genji was still in the clan, just not participating in the leadership like they wanted him to
worthy rose
Huh
noble pendant
If I remember right genji left the clan, and the clan sent Hanzo to kill him
I thought Hanzo was sent by the elders to convince Genji to take more responsibility and higher status/more actions within the organization and that turned into a fight
worthy rose
I need to reread certain lore stories
Oh yeah that sounds right
@peak escarp can you straighten this out?
I'm not quite sure on that detail
I don't quite remember what lead to Hanzo almost killing Genji, but I swear the clan leadership ordered him to
Idk about you but it kinda feels to me we are trying to solve an ow conspiracy thought up by blizzard lol
But there's the bigger question of the lore of why overwatch was really shut down, if you all remember right soldier 76 is a fugitive because he's trying to uncover what he believes is a conspiracy that was behind the real reason overwatch was shut down
Or at least least he was in what was the timeliness of ow1
So idk if that has any relevance now
I'm not quite sure in the timeline of ow2 what Soldier is doing
grand wedge
I'm not quite sure in the timeline of ow2 what Soldier is doing
chasing after Reaper
worthy rose
@grand wedge so did he give up trying to expose the true reason overwatch collapsed, or does finding reaper have something to with that
Or maybe was he just paranoid? Lol
hollow girder
this is my first time playing overwatch, where can i read aobut the lore?
uneven isle
The pinned messages can help you with the lore, it takes you to the comics, shorts etc.
hollow girder
thank
peak escarp
I don't quite remember what lead to Hanzo almost killing Genji, but I swear the ...
they ordered him to make Genji help lead the family - their confrontation led to a fight and Hanzo almost killed him
worthy rose
Ah
lavish gulch
How old is pharah?
how old is mercy?
Casue i could be wrong but i think mercy is definitely ten years older than pharah
grand wedge
Casue i could be wrong but i think mercy is definitely ten years older than phar...
yeah, you're wrong
Mercy is 37 and Pharah is 32
peak escarp
5 years difference
grand wedge
Source?
(the biographies on Overwatch official website - before they "updated" the biographies for OW2)
lavish gulch
(the biographies on Overwatch official website - before they "updated" the biogr...
Updated? what was it like before?
lavish gulch
Is fortnite canon to overwatch
It's only a matter of time
uneven isle
Updated? what was it like before?
more in depth of their backstory/origins. now its just brief and vague
grand wedge
Updated? what was it like before?
Yes it was like this. Now it’s just blurbs…
stuck harness
ah yes the lore chat
lapis jetty
When overwatch lore was cared about
stuck harness
When overwatch lore was cared about
facts
grand wedge
Since the game was teased with lore bits.
noble pendant
When overwatch lore was cared about
When Michael Chu was employed
peak escarp
the lore has gotten better since he left
there is a large community for Overwatch lore, and with story mode coming it will only get bigger
zinc lynx
What's the relation of Ramattra and Zenyatta?
zinc lynx
HOLD IT TOGETHER
Sigma ballz
stiff belfry
If u main sojourn dm me
drifting viper
What's the relation of Ramattra and Zenyatta?
Theyre both omnics and rammatra was once a monk like zenyatta
zinc lynx
Theyre both omnics and rammatra was once a monk like zenyatta
What are omnics?
Is it man-made?
drifting viper
What are omnics?
Omnics are robots that humans made, they gained sentience and started a war with humans. Overwatch was created to stop them
drifting viper
What are omnics?
Some omnics still want war with humans (ramattra) others believe in peace between humans and omnics (zenyatta) and in most of the world omnics are discriminated against and dont have as many rights as humans
zinc lynx
Omnics are robots that humans made, they gained sentience and started a war with...
Then Zen and Ramattra aren't part of Overwatch?
zinc lynx
Ramattras a robot terrorist
So not every heroes in Overwatch is part of the Overwatch then?
drifting viper
So not every heroes in Overwatch is part of the Overwatch then?
Nope like half of them arent/are villians
formal heart
One of Kirikos new voice lines states that she is part of overwatch
noble pendant
the lore has gotten better since he left
I feel like he cared a lot about it tho
It has gotten very detailed tho
noble pendant
One of Kirikos new voice lines states that she is part of overwatch
Wait really?
formal heart
Heard it last night while playing
noble pendant
How does it go?
drifting viper
Thats a joke
uneven isle
that doesnt seem like it would fit anywhere tho. unless it was said in a sarcastic way
zinc lynx
So Kiriko is a villain? 😳
eternal copper
maybe just a teenager?
drifting viper
No shes a hero i think
zinc lynx
Isn't she Shimada's younger sister?
eternal copper
in mid 20's or something maybe
grand wedge
It was like “look mom, I’m an overwatch member”
if she is in a team with Overwatch members she says that specific voiceline
grand wedge
Isn't she Shimada's younger sister?
nope, she is the daughter of the shimada's swordmaster
grand wedge
in mid 20's or something maybe
she is at least 20
but probably not much more than that
eternal copper
ooh
ivory garnet
i meant late 30s for Hanzo, mb
zinc lynx
Genji, Hanzo and Kiriko are siblings right?
peak escarp
Kiriko is a childhood friend
cinder lodge
Yes she was like a sister to genji
proper quail
how often does american cassidy come into the shop
cyan spear
obvi cybernetic implants exist, but what do all of them do? Moria has them on her forehead (on OW1 skin), sombra, Just wodnering if they do something
dense nebula
Doomfist is heavily cybernetic too
Cybernetic arm used to hold the gauntlet, pretty sure his legs are cybernetic too
Also I should mention he lost his arm in the crisis, not so he can wield the gauntlet
sonic rain
poor bastion with his ptsd
past copper
A lot of the heroes in Overwatch have cybernetics
Think of it as a more modern and less advanced version of Cyberpunk
Which honestly makes it more realistic to our world if you ask me
tired gulch
Junkrat is in love with roadhog…
limpid wigeon
Junkrat is in love with roadhog…
worthy rose
Junkrat is in love with roadhog…
No he's not 🤣
ember steeple
Junkrat is in love with roadhog…
Those are words I ever expected to be in a sentence
ember steeple
I’m also very new to the Overwatch community so 😭😭
peak escarp
oh
well, Junkrat x Roadhog is one of the most popular ships
for reasons beyond my comprehension
split granite
Hello lore experts
peak escarp
howdy
split granite
for reasons beyond my comprehension
I’ll never understand this myself
peak escarp
most of the ships make zero sense to anyone who knows the lore
split granite
I was just having this conversation in another server lmao
dreamy epoch
compared to like half of the other ships
peak escarp
also there's a nonzero amount of overlap between the people who ship them and the people who think Roadhog adopted Junkrat 😬
split granite
Hanzo x cassidy I have accepted that people do their own thing
It’s so popular but as a lore nerd it’s painful
split granite
also there's a nonzero amount of overlap between the people who ship them and th...
I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE ADOPTED THING HUH?!
peak escarp
yeah
iron osprey
most of the ships make zero sense to anyone who knows the lore
pharmercy
peak escarp
before the comic Wasted Land came out, there was a large number of people who thought Roadhog was Junkrat's adoptive father or something
iron osprey
i kinda see roadhog as a bestie to junkrat and not a father and DEFINITELY NOT A SHIP
peak escarp
after the comic... there's still people who are in denial
ember steeple
well, Junkrat x Roadhog is one of the most popular ships
Now how the hell….
iron osprey
also is it just me or are you guys also a litlle pissed with the fact that you cannot get kiriko after the season
split granite
pharmercy
In pharmercy fans defence there’s more chance of that than 80% of the others
iron osprey
you can still get her
h o w
split granite
also is it just me or are you guys also a litlle pissed with the fact that you c...
Complete challenges or outright buy her
ember steeple
Pretty sure u gotta buy her idk
worthy rose
Or do a challenge
split granite
There will be hero challenges too
peak escarp
h o w
How do I unlock heroes in the future after their Battle Pass ends?
There will be ways to earn past heroes in future seasons, so everyone will have the opportunity to earn heroes by playing! Heroes from past seasons will return in new hero challenges, or you can acquire them in the shop with Overwatch Coins.```oh ok thank god
peak escarp
but anyway, this isn't lore
iron osprey
dva x sombra is really popular too
worthy rose
Still a lil confused tho if omnics are finite and are not replaceable(souls) then what is orisa’s situaltion
Cuz isn’t there a null sector skin for her that are built to be replaced?
iron osprey
Still a lil confused tho if omnics are finite and are not replaceable(souls) the...
well the whole thing of omnics being sentient was an accident and cant be replicated
iron osprey
Cuz isn’t there a null sector skin for her that are built to be replaced?
the null sector ones are just a machine
iron osprey
and orisa is kinda like an omnic frankenstein built from OR-14s
worthy rose
And omnics are sentient robots
iron osprey
So null sector bots are programmed
y e s
split granite
It was confirmed they didn’t mean every single omnic
worthy rose
Ooo I like this
iron osprey
omnics were also programmed and somehow became sentient
worthy rose
omnics were also programmed and somehow became sentient
Detroit become human?
iron osprey
Detroit become human?
ye
worthy rose
And Ramattra is there equivalent of Marcus
split granite
It was confirmed they didn’t mean every single omnic
I can’t find it so maybe it wasn’t confirmed idk
worthy rose
Can’t wait to see how he reacts to bastion lmao
iron osprey
he wont really react
peak escarp
there will be clarification about what they mean about omnics being a single generation
in future lore
worthy rose
in future lore
👍
iron osprey
i dont feel like bastion is a ssmart as like zen or ram
worthy rose
But he is technically sentient
split granite
i dont feel like bastion is a ssmart as like zen or ram
Bastion go beep boop
peak escarp
Bastion just doesn't have a vocal processor
worthy rose
Could ram translate bastion?
peak escarp
other omnics can undersand Bastion
rain shoal
since when did Ana go to junkertown??
i guess that finally explains her 2 junker skins
boreal fractal
Echo, created to help humans during the Omnic crisis. Ramattra, designed to help the omnics during the crisis
iron osprey
i know bastion is sentient but for some reason i view him as more of a child
boreal fractal
Rammatra is a anti villain/anti hero
He ain't bad
Not good either
He is like In the middle
peak escarp
his motivations are noble, but his methods are wrong
iron osprey
its kinda like the saying you either die as a hero or live long enough to become a villan. he tried to be peaceful but that didnt work
iron osprey
his motivations are noble, but his methods are wrong
yeah
peak escarp
it's his methods that make him a villain
deft rover
Omnic Hitler
boreal fractal
He just wants to protect his own kind
peak escarp
he's more like Magneto
earnest gazelle
his motivations are noble, but his methods are wrong
isnt that most of talon?
iron osprey
Reaper and Widowmaker just want to kill people
and moira
earnest gazelle
isnt reaper's and doomfist's motives sort of the same?
boreal fractal
Sigma I a different story tho
peak escarp
Moira wants above all else to push science forward
boreal fractal
Sigma I a different story tho
He knows talon is using him he just don't care
earnest gazelle
like on the line of
"oh the true bad dont get punished" type deal
iron osprey
sigma is built different (insane)
boreal fractal
Like he is to smart to not know
iron osprey
does reaper like actually have motivation or does he just want chaos
peak escarp
Sigma is happy to be allowed to continue his research, with all the resources he needs
earnest gazelle
he has motivations because of doom I believe
crossed with his anger because of the experiments
boreal fractal
Moria is sigma's therapist
iron osprey
ok so talon is
Doomfist, widow, reaper, moira, sigma and
thats the leaders right
i know baptiste was former
boreal fractal
Rammatra is part of talon right
earnest gazelle
not the leaders, but theyre on a counsil
peak escarp
the leaders are Doomfist, Reaper, Moira, Maximilien and Sanjay
iron osprey
Rammatra is part of talon right
theyre kinda allied i think
peak escarp
Widowmaker is not a leader
earnest gazelle
shes a weapon
iron osprey
oh wait i just realized you could have a talon team now
boreal fractal
Rammatra lead the omnic war right
iron osprey
sanjays the guy from vishkar right
peak escarp
sanjays the guy from vishkar right
yes
boreal fractal
Or started it
peak escarp
Rammatra lead the omnic war right
Ramattra was a commander during the omnic crisis
made by Anubis to lead squadrons of omnics
iron osprey
i feel like kevin needs to become a major character
boreal fractal
Rammatra really just wants better for omnics
iron osprey
like I want to see him like rebel against the hashimoto and take it over and bring peace to kanezake
boreal fractal
He hates how they are treated
peak escarp
he tried existing peacefully with humans, but humans blew their chance
iron osprey
i feel like talon has really conflicting goals
earnest gazelle
talon is just people who have different motives but somewhat similar(?) goals
sombra excluded
peak escarp
kinda
boreal fractal
I hope we get more lore in pve
iron osprey
is sombra a part of talon or does she just work with them
earnest gazelle
shes just using talon
peak escarp
Sombra works with Talon
iron osprey
k
peak escarp
she uses their resources, and they use her skills
earnest gazelle
im curious if they know sombra is doing this
iron osprey
so the major factions rn are
Talon and their allies
Overwatch
Junkers
Null sector
boreal fractal
Sombra is like the smartest person in talon
earnest gazelle
like she has her own motives
peak escarp
iron osprey
when does torb find bastion is it after ow got shut down or what
iron osprey
like recently shutdown or like recently in curentlore
boreal fractal
Soldier doesn't want anything to do with overwatch anymore
deft rover
Fact is most of humanity’s innovations come from war
earnest gazelle
did it say somewhere that sojourn isnt a part of overwatch anymore? Like shes not joining back?
or is it that we havent seen if she is or not
iron osprey
isnt sojourn leading the new overwatch with wnston
peak escarp
did it say somewhere that sojourn isnt a part of overwatch anymore? Like shes no...
we know she comes back from the clips seen in the Blizzconline panel
earnest gazelle
ah
boreal fractal
Why do junkers hate omnics so much
iron osprey
Do you guys think hanzos gonna join overwatch
boreal fractal
More then everyone else
iron osprey
Why do junkers hate omnics so much
they do???
earnest gazelle
I think hanzo will take his own path
peak escarp
earnest gazelle
he doesnt really seem like the type to take a side
iron osprey
I hope to see hanzo and genji reconcile and become close
earnest gazelle
I hope to see hanzo and genji reconcile and become close
it might take a bit for hanzo, but its possible
genji has already moved on
iron osprey
ye\
boreal fractal
The pve will definitely give us more lore
peak escarp
absolutely
iron osprey
do we know if pve will be paid or free
peak escarp
we don't know yet
earnest gazelle
im really excited for it honestly
peak escarp
it will most likely be paid
iron osprey
i really hope its free
boreal fractal
Knowing Blizzard it's gonna be paid
earnest gazelle
in an ideal world it would be free
boreal fractal
i really hope its free
This is blizzard we're talking about here
earnest gazelle
maybe once
boreal fractal
Yea
earnest gazelle
pve comes out thatll be the main money thing
and battle pass and other stuff may be reduced
maybe?? don't quote me on that
boreal fractal
they make enough money from skins
Yea but this is blizzard
peak escarp
it's best to assume you'll have to pay
boreal fractal
They want more
iron osprey
i hope it wont be too much tho
peak escarp
that way you won't be disappointed
iron osprey
knowing blizzard itll probably be 60$
peak escarp
prices are not lore
boreal fractal
We're getting off track
iron osprey
Ok
boreal fractal
Enough of making fun of blizzard
iron osprey
id like to bring up a topic
boreal fractal
Yea
iron osprey
making kevin a major character in lore
boreal fractal
Who is Kevin
boreal fractal
Oh yea
iron osprey
lol
peak escarp
that's not a very Japanese name
earnest gazelle
i heard somewhere that Ana passed through Junker town I think maybe it was with junker queen in an interaction
do you think that might be a possible pve mission?
Like the junkers with ana?
they'll have a support but i dunno if they'll explore that possibility
boreal fractal
Kevin is obviously american/j
earnest gazelle
im going to try and find it
remote wing
can we talk about how boring sojourn is as a character? she has no personality and seemingly hasnt done anything since overwatch disbanded
earnest gazelle
I mean
iron osprey
that's not a very Japanese name
thats just kinda the name hes been given by the community
earnest gazelle
if soldier came out today people would say the same thing
peak escarp
most heroes haven't done anything since Overwatch disbanded
the novel gives Sojourn a lot more personality
remote wing
soilder faked his death and now is running the streets of mexico as vigilante
iron osprey
whats winston done since overwatch disbanded
remote wing
sojourn is just vibing in toronto
iron osprey
whats tracer done
peak escarp
Tracer is just vibing in London
earnest gazelle
everyone's just vibing ig
iron osprey
most people havent done anything
remote wing
but like they have stuff going on making them intresting
boreal fractal
Kevin should be a support
earnest gazelle
thats because soldier has been out for so long and we have more stuff on him than sojourn
iron osprey
Kevin should be a support
agreed
ok because like
kevin rn is just a random hashimoto grunt hes just a meme character among the community
remote wing
just like her origin story compared to everyone elses is night and day
iron osprey
but i think it would be really cool to see him given like an actual story and given some meaningful stuff
iron osprey
just like her origin story compared to everyone elses is night and day
it really isnt
coarse linden
tekharta and satya are cool characters
worthy rose
Yeah I'm pretty Tekhartha is just a Buddhist title given to Zen
Like how the Buddha's actual name was Siddhartha
It's just a honorary title
keen summit
but i think it would be really cool to see him given like an actual story and gi...
Ehhhhh maybe eventually but think hes the one of last to be considered.
If they did add a hashimoto theyd probs do the boss
Not some random dude
worthy rose
Yeah he has a point
frozen escarp
Yeah he has a point
no thanks
worthy rose
I never said that wtf
worthy rose
Then why did you tag me?
frozen escarp
apologies my man
quasi birch
What if, after Cassidy steals ashe's bike he does the
kindred nimbus
Does the what?
quasi birch
He does
kindred nimbus
He does what?
rotund maple
where does the SMS verification fit in the overwatch lore and what do our strong heroes do to fix it when it doesnt work
grand wedge
where does the SMS verification fit in the overwatch lore and what do our strong...
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
rotund maple
!!shitposting
who said im shitposting that's just all ive seen of the game so far
grand wedge
If you want to learn about the lore, check the pined messages
wise wadi
How tall is torb
gentle eagle
1.40
shadow iris
how does mercy have the flying suit thing?
upper idol
she stole it
iron plume
No.
iron plume
how does mercy have the flying suit thing?
It was created while she was back in old Overwatch
shadow iris
It was created while she was back in old Overwatch
how tho
iron plume
with engineering?
iron plume
if you're asking about how it works in realistic science terms, it doesn't
most of overwatch doesn't really
modest night
Alr here’s a challenge
shadow iris
she made it with her hands
o k
modest night
Sum up the overwatch lore in a few words
iron plume
She's not the one who made it, at least not physically, though
bitter kayak
Sum up the overwatch lore in a few words
oh no robot mean, pew pew, war, good guys protect human and robot, good guys get blamed for not protecting the entire planet, explosion BOOM, die, overwatch die, evil rise higher, ow back
modest night
oh no robot mean, pew pew, war, good guys protect human and robot, good guys get...
very smart
now in 1 word
iron plume
Stop.
bitter kayak
war
modest night
Overwatch has a nice lore but where has bastion been?
iron plume
!!shitposting @bitter kayak
twilit nacelleBOT
@bitter kayak Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
grand wedge
Overwatch has a nice lore but where has bastion been?
Making friends in the forest
bitter kayak
oh
iron plume
asleep in his pod, most of the time
since he awoke in The Last Bastion, he traveled to Denmark
bitter kayak
Oh thats not allowed here💀
grand wedge
Now he is being adopted by Torbjorn
iron plume
was eventually found by authorities, and through them, by Torbjorn
bitter kayak
my bad
iron plume
He's going to be in the OW2 PvE plotline
hanging out in Torb's workshop when they find him
modest night
U mean the campagain that isn’t a campagain?
grand wedge
He was shown in OW2 story mode gameplay
iron plume
it is a campaign
modest night
Overwatch campagain kinda mid
iron plume
it doesn't exist yet
modest night
What’s ur guys favorite lore story
iron plume
Valkyrie
grand wedge
I like Ana/76/Reaper arc - but my fave short story is Stone by Stone
grand wedge
Valkyrie is the name of a short story featuring Mercy
iron plume
either's fine
but yes, what Gwadael said
grand wedge
And technically her name is Angela Ziegler
grand wedge
Those are to read
grand wedge
I hope hanzo and genji meet up again
They definitely will
bitter kayak
is talon aware of sombra using them for more info or smh
iron plume
yes
they're fine with it because she still does good work for them
it's a mutually beneficial arrangement
bitter kayak
Oh alright
modest night
I was about to use my genji ult then sombra hacks me then I couldn’t
fucking sombra mains
iron plume
Not a topic for this channel.
modest night
wrong channel mb
iron plume
If rammatra doesn't have any special lines with echo I'll cry
It's decently likely that he won't
at least not for a while
grand wedge
If rammatra doesn't have any special lines with echo I'll cry
Those must be very interesting
iron plume
Who gets interactions right away and who doesn't depends more on VA availability than what "makes sense"
bitter kayak
If rammatra doesn't have any special lines with echo I'll cry
cant wait for his interactions with every other omnic not gonna lie
iron plume
they're not gonne get in Echo's VA just for the new hero interactions
If she's doing something else too then yes
grand wedge
But the devs teased the one Ramattra will have with Zen and the old soldiers so I’m curious about those ones
boreal fractal
cant wait for his interactions with every other omnic not gonna lie
Bro is gonna have beef with every human hero
bitter kayak
Bro is gonna have beef with every human hero
deadass, esp zarya💀
boreal fractal
They just gonna argue the whole game
That's why they made it one tank
If rammatra enters King's row or junker town it's over
bitter kayak
If rammatra enters King's row or junker town it's over
Bet bros gonna have a special voice line for mondatta
elder wasp
If rammatra doesn't have any special lines with echo I'll cry
Why? Not the interaction I'm most interested in.
elder wasp
Because she is a non-omnic AI?
bitter kayak
random ass question about mina liao, shes singaporean? right?
boreal fractal
Nah rammatra might have beef with bastion
elder wasp
random ass question about mina liao, shes singaporean? right?
According to Wiki yes
bitter kayak
According to Wiki yes
Oh okay ty
elder wasp
Nah rammatra might have beef with bastion
How so?
boreal fractal
Bastion kinda is friends with humans and he is a bastion
elder wasp
Where in the timeline do you guys Ramattra's realization that humans and omnics cant co-exists is in relation to the assassination of Mondatta?
elder wasp
Bastion kinda is friends with humans and he is a bastion
I think he'd more see Bastion as a sheep that's lost
Than a threat
That Bastion too soon will join Ram
Since he seem absolute in his convction
boreal fractal
Doesn't ram know what talon did to mondatta
elder wasp
Most likely
Hence my question
If he had already come to the conclusion that humans and omnics can't co-exist Mondattas assassination is in-line with his agenda
He might've been in on it, that's why I wonder where it sits in the timeline
rare trail
why doesn't ramattra make more omnic?
elder wasp
why doesn't ramattra make more omnic?
"Our race is only a single generation; finite and dying all too quickly."
He states it is not possible
rare trail
so why not make more does no one know how?
elder wasp
They can't become more
rare trail
if they were made once they can be made twice
elder wasp
Probably has to do with how omnics became sentient
No it can't be replicated is what he is saying
If he could he would obviously
rare trail
how did omnics become sentient the first time?
elder wasp
An omnic named Aurora gained enlightenment (paraphrase) and through her all omnics gained similar sentience
obtuse wraith
But did she follow the same ideology as Ramattra?
rare trail
so how did aurora become sentient?
split granite
I wish orisa got like a short story last year or earlier this year that set up the fact she started using a spear now
elder wasp
Aurora was the first, through her all other omnics became sentient
split granite
I wish orisa got like a short story last year or earlier this year that set up t...
Because it just feels a bit random rn
rare trail
so she just became sentient?
elder wasp
so how did aurora become sentient?
This is not fully understood but she meditated and it has something to do with the Iris
IIRC
obtuse wraith
Aurora was the first, through her all other omnics became sentient
At least she didn't turn evil
split granite
so she just became sentient?
We don’t know much about her tbh
rare trail
so if a sentient robot can turn a non sentient robot into a sentient robot cant they make a bunch of robots and turn them sentient
split granite
No she can’t make them sentient
And also she’s dead so if it was her making omnics sentient well that isn’t happening
elder wasp
"Exactly what occurred is vague—the Shambali state that Aurora transcended existence itself. However, only a handful of people were in her physical presence when her 'transcendence' occurred, and the details became less clear over time. It is said she was engulfed in a great, golden light, expanding."
She's not in this world anymore
split granite
Like I said yesterday I am almost certain they said finite didn’t mean all omnics
rare trail
but tm said she could
split granite
She doesn't exist in this world anymore anyway
She’s been gone for years
elder wasp
And I'm sure My guess is thatpart of what the Shambali are trying is to replicate what she did
rare trail
so all current omnics from bob to zenyatta to bastion were kinda close to her when she trancended
split granite
Yeah if she was still around she’d of been mentioned by now
elder wasp
so all current omnics from bob to zenyatta to bastion were kinda close to her wh...
No it had nothing to do with proximity
split granite
Let me see if I can find that not all omnics are finite interview
elder wasp
Ramattra says they are finite as a race
rare trail
No it had nothing to do with proximity
oh i thought when you said in her physical presence you meant to get sentience i understand now
elder wasp
"I was created to lead Omnics into war but all I have ever wanted is a better life for my people. The fact that we exist is a miracle onto itself. We have studied the ways of peace and harmony. We have meditated on the universe and our place within it. We have tried to co-exist with humanity, but humanity is not interested in sharing their world. How many more Omnics should perish to fuel mankind’s dreams. No more! Our race is only a single generation; finite and dying all too quickly. We can find our own place and we must! Join me and together we will make a better future for all Omnics! "
rare trail
so like in theory if zenyatta gets too good at being a monk he'll turn all the other non sentient robots sentient
elder wasp
so like in theory if zenyatta gets too good at being a monk he'll turn all the o...
There are other sentient robots
(Echo, Orisa)
iron plume
most omnics are sentient
elder wasp
I was under the impression that omnics are robots made by omniums.
But I've seen it used as an umbrella term for all robots
I find it all a bit confusing
iron plume
or at least the ones we know
the mooks we see in Uprising probably aren't
rare trail
so they could make more omnics but they wouldnt be sentient bc they dont have someone who could transcend
iron plume
Omnics does refer to Omnica-'brand' and later Omnium-made robots
but both in universe and outside of it it's been used to mean "sapient robots" in general
we don't know what gave them sapience but apparently it's not something that can be replicated on a large scale
elder wasp
My take is that Ramattra's use of the word is strictly for the robots made by omniums that gained sentience through The Awakening.
elder wasp
It is what the Shambali believe
iron plume
aurora was the first to gain sapience
split granite
I found something someone said that was quite accurate
iron plume
and the Shambali believe she carries a spiritual guidance or something like that
but it's not known for certain
split granite
Omnics are being produced still however not all omnics are sentient like zenyatta
rare trail
so zenyattas transcendance has the same name as auroras thing but it isnt the same thing?
iron plume
Zenyatta's transcendence isn't really a thing that happens in lore
elder wasp
The discussion started with Ramattra and he is schooled as a Shambali. So that is why I used that argument.
rare trail
Zenyatta's transcendence isn't really a thing that happens in lore
his ultimate isnt canon?
iron plume
yes
rare trail
what???
iron plume
The discussion started with Ramattra and he is schooled as a Shambali. So that i...
They wouldn't have to be close to her either way
elder wasp
They wouldn't have to be close to her either way
I didn't say that
split granite
We see ramattra using the same orbs as zen in his origin story so I wonder if that’ll be used in his ult
rare trail
wait what how are ultimates not canon
elder wasp
We see ramattra using the same orbs as zen in his origin story so I wonder if th...
Maybe, he seem to use his orb for his primary fire.
iron plume
Technically none of Zenyatta's abilities are shown in canon lol
iron plume
wait what how are ultimates not canon
Some abilities are just there for gameplay
split granite
wait what how are ultimates not canon
Almost every ability is canon but they are changed in game for balance
iron plume
Not really, no
A lot are but not "almost every"
elder wasp
wait what how are ultimates not canon
I tried to tell you several times yesterday you can't take all in-game mechanics and think they are how the canon world works.
iron plume
we have a list
rare trail
so none of sigmas stuff is canon?
iron plume
ayep
kindred nimbus
We havent seen him fight so no ig
iron plume
well, it can be
but it's not confirmed
rare trail
like someone who can control gravity cant do what he does in his ult?
split granite
Regarding junkrat
His trap is seen on the junkertown map making it in a way canon
elder wasp
like someone who can control gravity cant do what he does in his ult?
Us not knowing for sure is not the same thing as us knowing it isn't so
iron plume
don't ping that again please btw
split granite
Alright
split granite
My bad was replying
But yeah I wish they’d show sigma more in lore tbh so we know why he is such an asset to talon
iron plume
but anyway
Sigma can affect gravity but we don't know how precisely he can control it in lore
rare trail
also is there a lore explanation behind us fighting in game?
cunning ledge
no
iron plume
no
cunning ledge
game isn't canon
iron plume
well the PvP isn't anyway
cunning ledge
tbh lifting someone up and slamming them down is like the most generic default gravity attack ever
if he couldn't do that i'd be surprised
split granite
also is there a lore explanation behind us fighting in game?
If you really wanna find a reason
It’s non canon but most payload maps have you pushing SOMETHING
iron plume
yeah but you still need to grab onto the person rather than fucking everything in that general area, including the ground
iron plume
he's not exhibited much precision so far
rare trail
whats the official blackwatch team
split granite
We haven’t actually seen sigma fight or use his abilities in lore no?
cunning ledge
we have not
iron plume
correct
split granite
whats the official blackwatch team
Cole reyes moira genji
iron plume
- a bunch of mooks
rare trail
sigma-tank
reaper-dps
genji-dps
mccassidy-dps
moira-support
baptiste-support
am i missing any?
iron plume
Doom and Baptiste weren't in Blackwatch
iron plume
Bap was probably later
split granite
Can’t be much later if he wasn’t already
iron plume
It's been seven years since then, plenty of time for him to both join and get disappointed
rare trail
doesnt bap have a blackwatch skin
iron plume
he has a Talon skin
rare trail
isnt talon just blackwatch?
split granite
It's been seven years since then, plenty of time for him to both join and get di...
Yeah true I suppose considering he was such a force of nature in talon but was only a low ranked soldier he couldn’t of been there long
iron plume
Blackwatch was a division of Overwatch to handle black ops
split granite
Blackwatch kill a talon higher up in the retribution mission
iron plume
yep
Reyes joined Talon since the fall of OW
And Moira either did the same or was with them earlier
but the organizations themselves aren't related
rare trail
so talon has
sigma
doom
reaper
sombra
widow
moira
baptiste
iron plume
- sombra, widow
rare trail
so we dont have a full team for any of the bad guys?
iron plume
and Baptiste as an ex-member
split granite
so talon has
sigma
doom
reaper
sombra
widow
moira
baptiste
The higher ups being doom, reaper, moira, max, sanjay
iron plume
correct
split granite
Am I missing anyone?
iron plume
well, of the ones we know, no
cunning ledge
there are more we don't know the names of
iron plume
Baptiste ain't with them anymore
split granite
I could make a factions list to clear up any confusion
iron plume
!!lorefactions
twilit nacelleBOT
Latest known faction affiliations
New Overwatch:
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Mercy, Genji, Brigitte, Reinhardt, Echo - Before/during Zero Hour
Cassidy, Pharah, Baptiste, Zarya, D.va - Post-New Blood
Lucio, Sojourn, Bastion - (presumably) During OW2 campaign
Were in old OW, still good guys, but not joining:
Soldier, Ana - Hunting Talon independently
Torbjorn - Retired from action
Talon:
Doomfist, Reaper, Moira - On leader council
Widowmaker, Sombra, Sigma
The rest:
Ashe - Deadlock Gang leader
Junker Queen - Junkertown leader
Junkrat, Roadhog, Wrecking Ball - ex-Junkers
Kiriko - Yokai 'gang', Resistance to Hashimoto
Hanzo - ex-Shimada Clan
Orisa - Numbani defense
Symmetra - Vishkar employee
Zenyatta - ex-Shambali
iron plume
:)
split granite
Ah ok
rare trail
like you could make a full team with
sigma
reaper
sombra
moira
baptiste
that was talon at a point in time
iron plume
no
cunning ledge
sombra is not blackwatch
split granite
Bots are so handy when it comes to this stuff lmao
iron plume
Of tose only Moira and Reaper were ever in blackwatch
iron plume
Bots are so handy when it comes to this stuff lmao
well I mean
someone had to put that in there in the first place
(:
split granite
Did you make the list?
iron plume
yes
split granite
Ah okay thanks
I’m hoping in the future they’ll be more to add to null sector tbh
cunning ledge
most of null sector seems to be mindless goons so i don't have big expectations for null sector heroes
split granite
Yeah true
There’s gotta be a few though
iron plume
which actually makes sense now that I think about it
cunning ledge
yeah why risk any of the apparently rare omnic personalities
iron plume
Ramattra's big concern is Omnics dying out
so he wouldn't risk sapient ones on combat operations
split granite
Oh I suppose that’s a good point
Probably deconfirms any theories people had of ramattra trying to convince zen to join him then? Heard some people saying that
iron plume
He could still try to get him to join
just not as a fighter
elder wasp
He wants to create a space for all omnics