Sojourn was an Overwatch captain
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
when Morrison and Reyes "died" in the Swiss HQ explosion, she became acting commander until Overwatch was officially shut down
dusk trench
Would Zamattra represent Nepal just like Zen since he used to be a monk
solar sedge
sound2
/saʊnd/
INFORMAL•BRITISH
excellent.
solar sedge
Not really. A few heroes were 2 years
in gaming in general rather than just overwatch
ivory garnet
then yes, I dont know much of british slang
limpid agate
Introduced with the hero reveal - Orisa technically, Ashe, Baptiste, Sigma
4 months - Numbani Quadrapend Omnic (Orisa)
1 year - Ana, Sombra, Moira Hammond, Echo
Others:
Doomfist - 3 years
Brigitte - 2 years
limpid agate
You can also look at it with hero releases.
Ana - Teased with Soldier, released 1 year later
Sombra - Teased with Dorado, released 1 year later
Orisa - Teased with Sombra, released 4 months later
Doomfist - Introduced at announcement, released 3 years later
Generally they reintroduce a hero 1 year prior however
So with Doomfist, we got a revisitation to the launch cinematic and stuff about Doomfist
worthy rose
why cant they make more omnics
peak escarp
very few heroes have been added that weren't introduced or teased beforehand
limpid agate
And then reintroduced in the 4 months leading up to his debut with Orisa
peak escarp
just Ashe, Baptiste and Sigma
limpid agate
Moira was first teased a year prior on Oasis
And reintroduced in the months prior with Masquerade
Ana was reintroduced in the months prior with the launch blog post
Sombra with the ARG
Doomfist with Orisa
Following Brig we had Hammond
Debut - 1 year prior in HLC. Reintroduced 4 months prior with the HLC rework
Ashe/Bap/Sigma came out of nowhere
Echo - Introduced 1 year prior with Reunion
Reintroduced 4 months prior with Zero Hour
Now that we are getting regular updates again, we can try to see if this pattern returns
Right now they're just cleaning up the backlog
worthy rose
WOW
that was a lot to read
but very cool that you just know that
and i appricate the info
🙂
peak escarp
if/when Mauga does eventually get added as a hero, he'll probably be reintroduced into the story beforehand
to remind everyone who he is
limpid agate
Here is the complete list of heroes that I believe are likely or unlikely to become heroes: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/incomplete-list-of-potential-heroes-year-7-edition/670250
Please post any thoughts you have. Especially since Blizzard wont let me bump the thread with the update until someone leaves a message.
Ramatraa was previously listed in the "The most likely of the unconfirmed group:" group
Aaand god fucking dammit. Someone posting that the crouching guy is Emre is spreading again
Even though literally the only thing we know about this character is that it's not Emre
That is the one thing we know.
worthy rose
LOL
golden briar
Sigma lore = 🪨
warm obsidian
Even though literally the only thing we know about this character is that it's n...
I doubt that they'd add him
grizzled crystal
grizzled crystal
Even though literally the only thing we know about this character is that it's n...
emre?
wait there can be a turkish character?
:0
limpid agate
Yes
dense nebula
Is it bad I really want a hero that’s reminiscent of Kiryu from Godzilla?
limpid agate
Who
dense nebula
One of the three Mechagodillzas
limpid agate
That would be a boss if anything
dense nebula
flat whale
Y
sullen pumice
someone scale new tank
limpid agate
What
restive crown
Have yall seen all the zenyatta x rammatra shi going on
The guy wasnt even released for 24hrs
And they alr got stuff made for him
😩
misty solstice
Have yall seen all the zenyatta x rammatra shi going on
satan works fast, twitter works faster
rotund ermine
⬆️
rain shoal
Ramattra should've realized that humanity is just shit...
if they dont even treat each other well cuz of things like race, sexuality etc then in what world would humanity treat omnics any better? but because of the crisis then the hatred is understandable but Ramattra had enough
worthy rose
I need healing
dense nebula
Ramattra should've realized that humanity is just shit...
if they dont even trea...
Given enough time omnic could easily turn against omnic too
molten juniper
What is the connection between bastion and torbjörn?
peak escarp
because the game has to be balanced
alpine portal
he’s still too bad def needs a change
dawn topaz
Here is the complete list of heroes that I believe are likely or unlikely to bec...
missing the new random mfs from kiriko's origin story
limpid agate
I might add them if they get names or concept art
Yokai gave out some names, but didnt attach any to any faces
past copper
I think Zen will play a major role now in the story now that we know more about his brother Ramattra
limpid agate
We knew he would be in the campaign in Varanasi
past copper
Yes, but now that we know more bout the second antagonist of the game, the first being Doomfist, Zenyatta will have a major part to play in defeating him most likely
After all, he’s probably the only one alive anymore who knows anything about Ramattra
Though, I feel Zen would try to bring his brother off the path he’s chosen rather then anything else
Seems like a very Zen thing to see the good in others after all
limpid agate
I just want to know more details about what he meant by omnics being "finite"
They dont look very finite given his armies, but in hindsight wording about the OR15s has been vague
drifting viper
Have yall seen all the zenyatta x rammatra shi going on
No sadly
crisp willow
And made Bastion his pet basically
I like to think he got the hat in OW2 from working at Torb's workshop
past copper
By finite, I’d imagine it means that omnics with minds of their own are unique and impossible to recreate. Basically, just like all people in general
drifting viper
Yeah thats what I thought it meant to
You can make more humans but they wont be the same as another human
Same thing for robots
crisp willow
What do you guys recommend as a start to OW comics
drifting viper
New hero?
No
Hes part of the omnics who want to kill all humans
I think hes their leader
past copper
To him, omnics are no different from humans. Both live and die like everyone else, but their minds and souls are unique to who they are. Nobody has the same kind of soul. It’s a rather beautiful way to see people actually
drifting viper
To him, omnics are no different from humans. Both live and die like everyone els...
I dont think he does
Thats what zenyatta thinks
drifting viper
To him, omnics are no different from humans. Both live and die like everyone els...
If new hero thinks omnics and humans are equal he wouldnt be trying to end humanity
south trench
and ram is like you have my attention
dreamy epoch
he didn't necessarily say he was trying to end all humanity
he simply says that he will no longer let them push his race around as if they have no worth
past copper
Thats what zenyatta thinks
No. They both think the same, but while Zenyatta believes in the good in people, Ramattra believed only in the bad in people after seeing how they kill his people without mercy
dreamy epoch
which is the point of extremist terrorism
digital forum
What do you guys recommend as a start to OW comics
For me at least, I watched the animated shorts, then read the comics in order (starting from one), and lastly I read the short stories
worthy rose
theres a post battle interaction between zen and sigma where sigma is saying how its interesting that zen can float. zen then goes to say its thanks to iris, sigma replying hes met iris, to zens almost worried reply so could the melody sigma hears be iris?
digital forum
I forget the names of the short stories but there's a 2 parter
dense nebula
which is the point of extremist terrorism
If we want to be technical, terrorism is the use of violence and terror in order to promote a stance, ideology or any other point of view
Which works here
past copper
The guy only wanted to give people a better world to live in where they wouldn’t be killed just because they’re machines. But sadly, human ignorance and hatred makes this impossible to achieve through the ways Mondatta was teaching them. So Ramattra chose to make a peaceful world for omnics by force
dense nebula
As he’s using violence and terror in order to promote a better life for omnics
dreamy epoch
this aligns with doomfist where he believes that conflict will eventually make a better and stronger world, even if that is just a surface motivation
past copper
Honestly, Ramattra is a character many can relate to. Everyone wants peace, but many try to achieve through different ways. Sadly, violence happens to be one of them
dense nebula
The guy only wanted to give people a better world to live in where they wouldn’t...
I can already tell he’ll become a Hypocrite
dreamy epoch
ramattra's rage is that sort of conflict
dense nebula
Ramattra’s a just hero until he starts attacking omnics who don’t agree with him
dreamy epoch
i mean humans are also very hypocritical when it comes down to it
dense nebula
And also the fact he attacks and murders civilians
past copper
I think Ramattra represents an old saying. “You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain”
He’s certainly lived long enough to become a villain
dense nebula
Honestly he’s more than just a leader imo
He’s a cultist
I mean, he literally walks around acting like a Shepard
past copper
That said. The saying violence breeds violence also plays a part here. Humans showed nothing but violence towards his people for so long during and after the crisis, it’s no wonder he would leave his peaceful ways behind and resort to violence to get what he wants
drifting viper
Honestly, Ramattra is a character many can relate to. Everyone wants peace, but ...
I disagree
dawn topaz
He has good intentions but that's it
drifting viper
Since hes an extremist
dense nebula
How to end the Ramattra is a fractured hero stance: mf literally wants a race war
drifting viper
That is true
past copper
What he wants is for his people to be allowed to live in peace. Either alongside or without humanity
dense nebula
A Shepard pariah that wants only war
A foil to Zen
A tank
Color scheme
His voice
I love everything about him
worthy rose
@dense nebula the only thing i hate about him is that he comes out next season ;-;
past copper
Point is though, he can’t accept humanity living alongside his people, because they refuse to abandon their hatred for machines. The crisis just can’t be forgotten. The pain, suffering, and death it caused left a scar on everyone and just because machines want peace doesn’t mean humans will want it
More than likely, people believe that omincs don’t understand what’s like to lose people
worthy rose
was mercy and hogs wedding disproven yet?
dense nebula
And you believe it?
past copper
Sad but true, people can’t just forget their pain and that pain makes others grow to hate those responsible for it
worthy rose
no, but i want evidence to throw in peoples face when they say it
dense nebula
Sad but true, people can’t just forget their pain and that pain makes others gro...
The way you worded it sounds very condescending ngl
limpid agate
What is this about
dense nebula
Like you’re annoyed that people can’t just forgive and forget
dense nebula
What is this about
Arguing the validity of Ramattra’s good will
limpid agate
What good will
dense nebula
Whether he could be seen as a hero or not
worthy rose
yep
worthy rose
thas ture
worthy rose
true*
past copper
The way you worded it sounds very condescending ngl
I mean, would you forgive someone who took a loved one from you or would grow to hate the person responsible? Point is, nobody just forgives and forgets
glass minnow
What is kirikos sexuality?
limpid agate
Dont know
dense nebula
Why is that important?
limpid agate
Doesnt matter
glass minnow
Why is that important?
Dont worry about it
drifting viper
Hes an omnic supremacist
dawn topaz
So who the hell is Emre
limpid agate
Emre Sarioglu is a Turkish Overwatch operative that was active 23 years ago
That's it
That's all we know
Back when they told us that, they confirmed he was just a throwaway name
dawn topaz
Damn and people unironically want him to be a hero
limpid agate
Yes
dense nebula
Damn and people unironically want him to be a hero
That’s how it worked with Doomfist
The gauntlet in the og cinematic was originally to be the only thing related to Doomfist
dawn topaz
I heard about an interresting thought about Ramattra being a racist
Since he had said that there is only 1 generation of omnic despite orisa and the Or14s existing
peak escarp
but with Doomfist, we had more -we had the gauntlet and his reputation as a threat that Overwatch had to deal with
dense nebula
Tru
peak escarp
Emre is just some grunt who went on a mission
dawn topaz
Since he had said that there is only 1 generation of omnic despite orisa and the...
And that he may have a dislike to them due to being human imitations of his people, omnic equivalent to skincrawlers
heavy flint
Can someone send me some Mercy and Genji related lore stuff ? 
worthy rose
he probably means the type of omnic he and others like him are
you know you got Bastion units
the OR's
Gwinshin
and then Omnics like Zen, and Rammattra
and that third type is the "race" Ramma might be talking about?, idk
dawn topaz
Can someone send me some Mercy and Genji related lore stuff ? <:peepoBlush:75180...
Genji Shimada is the brother of hanzo, gets killed by him and turned into a cyborg by mercy. Then peace and tranquility hit's him like a truck and he finally get's the courage to forgive hanzo. On christmas he is seen with zenyatta, writing a letter to someone. On the same page of the comic, we see mercy with a quill that looks the same as genji's
peak escarp
it's confirmed that Genji was writing to Mercy
eternal copper
How does Ana's gun work?
eternal copper
It could tell the diffrence between enemy and ally?
eternal copper
ooh it was confusing ingame the comic makes sense
dense nebula
I hope Rama refers to Zen as “brother”
peak escarp
it would be very frustrating if the player had to choose their darts
eternal copper
true and grenades
stable juniper
I hope Rama refers to Zen as “brother”
He doesn’t necessarily agree with Zen. But they are both still omnics, so I’m sure he has some respect for him in that regard.
dawn topaz
They do seem like 2 sides of the same coin
dawn topaz
Zenyatta is doing absolutely nothing to help his kind while Ramattra in his extremist ways does everything he can
dense nebula
I’m more ways than just one
stable juniper
Zenyatta is doing absolutely nothing to help his kind while Ramattra in his extr...
Because Zen believes that we will achieve harmony through peace
dense nebula
Zenyatta is doing absolutely nothing to help his kind while Ramattra in his extr...
Tbf, Zen is less about improving the lives of omnics rather improving the outlook on life of people he crosses
dawn topaz
Yes
dense nebula
He’s a lot like Oogway from Kung Fu Panda in that regard
stable juniper
Zen doesn’t hold omnics above humans, nor vice versa. He sees everyone as equal, and therefore we should treat everyone equally. That’s where he differs from Rama.
Rama’s like no that bs the only way they will ever stop harassing us is if we fight back.
dawn topaz
To be fair
dense nebula
The Charles Xavier to the Magneto
opaque tundra
i feel like zen does want to help his kind but he can't really do much if he isnt an activist like mondatta
dawn topaz
Humans would stop harassing omnics if they were all dead
dense nebula
The Malcom X to the Martin Luther King Jr
stable juniper
The Charles Xavier to the Magneto
YES
I honestly don’t really agree with Rama. Fighting back will make them hate you more
But I completely understand his reactions
opaque tundra
its kind of offtopic now but i do wanna address that the 'omnics are finite' concept is not a retcon or anything new bc ive seen people being confused by it
its been hinted at in london calling unfortunately
dense nebula
I honestly don’t really agree with Rama. Fighting back will make them hate you m...
He’s less about wanting humanity to seem his kind equal now
dawn topaz
Rama is just racist towards Orisa and Bastion
dawn topaz
And Echo is like...music on a tape recorder
peak escarp
how is he racist?
stable juniper
Rama is just racist towards Orisa and Bastion
Are Orisa and Bastion not omnics?
worthy rose
they are
dawn topaz
Orisa isn't a gen 1 omnic though, technically
worthy rose
the OR15-A is a special type
dawn topaz
since she is built from parts of a seperate line of omnics that is based on the Or14s
peak escarp
I don't see how that makes him racist
stable juniper
And Rama believes in gen 1 superiority?
dawn topaz
yes he talks about there being only 1 generation of omnics
which I assume to be any omnic that got enlightened
He'd probably see Orisa as a cheap imitation and insult by the humans
same with Echo
And Bastion, he would probably despise for his loyalty to torbjörn or smth idk
opaque tundra
i think ramattra would at least not insult the other omnic heroes
dawn topaz
I think he'd have a "I'd hate to destroy you, but if you get in my way with your loyalty to humans I will have to free you by force" type of relationship towards the other omnic heroes
stable juniper
I think he'd have a "I'd hate to destroy you, but if you get in my way with your...
That’s different than being flat out racist though
He’d say the same thing to Zen
gaunt phoenix
i think ramattra would at least not insult the other omnic heroes
Maybe he would try to understand their choices. Thats just an idea.
dawn topaz
Well, against Orisa he would either be VERY curious about her or just flat out want to destroy the bootleg OR14
stable juniper
I think he’d be curious more than anything. I’m very interested to see how he interacts with Reaper, one of the most violent humans.
peak escarp
he would probably hate Reaper
considering he was the leader of Overwatch during the crisis
gaunt phoenix
Hah! Maybe
stable juniper
I feel like Bastion’s gonna try to be friends with Rama and Rama is gonna be like what’s wrong with you 😂
Rama gives off Reaper energy when it comes to socializing with others
gaunt phoenix
Well i think Rama will be more social than Reaper but not by much for some.
stable juniper
I mean he is a leader, he has to be somewhat charismatic you’d think
dawn topaz
I feel like Bastion’s gonna try to be friends with Rama and Rama is gonna be lik...
"Your loyalty to this filth disgusts me"
"[Bastion noises]"
"You have to choose between your kind or humans, choose wisely...I'd hate to destroy you"
worthy rose
Tbh, they should make a movie about it
stable juniper
"Your loyalty to this filth disgusts me"
"[Bastion noises]"
"You have to choose ...
Probably similar with Orisa. She’s even CLOSER to humans
gaunt phoenix
I mean he is a leader, he has to be somewhat charismatic you’d think
Yeah! And they cant reproduce the sentience they had so i think it was vital they had a leader.
stable juniper
So why are omnics a limited species, again? What made their factories shut down?
peak escarp
the omniums were shut down during the crisis
peak escarp
some of them were outright destroyed, but others were just shut down
stable juniper
Like why can’t the omniums be started back up? That would be a cool campaign mission, go into a factory and get it up and running again while encountering some rogue omnics
peak escarp
because the omnics don't control the omniums
humans do
and humans don't want them making more omnics
stable juniper
OHHH they shut them down to try and limit their numbers when they started invading
peak escarp
yep
stable juniper
And due to political tensions they haven’t started them back up?
peak escarp
some omniums are being controlled by omnics - the Siberian omnium and the East China Sea omnium
but those omnics are currently at war with humans
against Russia and South Korea, respectively
stable juniper
I see
dawn topaz
But again, don't omnics need to be enlightened to truly...live?
peak escarp
we don't really know how it works
did Aurora's transcendence only grant sentience to existing omnics? or for all omnics in perpetuity?
opaque tundra
i assume aurora's gift doesnt "transfer" to newly made omnics
peak escarp
we don't know when it happened either
opaque tundra
i think the whole origin story is implying that the civilian omnic generation that got the sentience is the one that's not being produced anymore
so they're truly finite but thats my opinion
peak escarp
if it was during the Crisis, then how do omnics like Zenyatta and Iggy have sentience? they're younger than the crisis
opaque tundra
good point
then either aurora transcended after the crisis or theres some more retconning going on
dawn topaz
i assume aurora's gift doesnt "transfer" to newly made omnics
That's also why I'd assume that Ramattra wouldn't be too fond of Orisa, since her sentience isn't the "true" one.
But again, depends on how Aurora works
opaque tundra
or maybe age is applied to when they got sentience
eternal copper
a.i. learning?
opaque tundra
i read the orisa novel and theres nothing implying she got sentience so her ai is just really advanced
dawn topaz
Yeah, same with Echo
Now if they have a soul or not is something different
Since Omnics seem to have these considering they can die from bullet wounds
eternal copper
could just be a scripted personality that improves over time?
stable juniper
So is Bastion sentient?
peak escarp
yes
opaque tundra
well echo could be sentient bc we don't actually know her age
eternal copper
gun with ptsd
peak escarp
I don't think her age matters
stable juniper
Echo and Reaper’s voice interactions are so cute
stable juniper
Her wiki says she’s an “evolutionary robot programmed with a rapidly adapting artificial intelligence”
stable juniper
Wait where the hell did Echo come from lol
reef grove
so like what about uhhhh genji
dawn topaz
he's strong, but nothing crazy
peak escarp
Genji is a cyborg
stable juniper
Who rebuilt Genji?
dawn topaz
mercy
reef grove
he's strong, but nothing crazy
but like didnt he do more then half of the overwatch team in the one scenario?
peak escarp
we don't know who built his body
Mercy saved his life, but she's not a cybernetics expert
it could have been Dr. Liao
stable juniper
Maybe it was Winston?
peak escarp
Dr. Liao also worked on Sojourn's cybernetics
dawn topaz
I could see torb doing it, the face mask does remind a bit of rein's armor which was made by torb
(the ow1 design)
stable juniper
Did Torb make all of the Crusaders’ armor?
solid sonnet
who is dr liao
peak escarp
she was the lead roboticist at Omnica Corp
also a founding member of Overwatch
she created Aurora, Athena and Echo
stable juniper
Is that Soldier?
peak escarp
yup
stable juniper
He looks so happy 🥹
dawn topaz
That was before he went insane
dawn topaz
What's the difference
stable juniper
doesn't he blame himself?
dawn topaz
Everyone blames everyone including themselves
Except Reaper
he blames Soldier and noone else
stable juniper
I don't think reaper or soldier are insane
reaper's crazy for sure, and maybe soldier is too
but they're not insane
dawn topaz
crazy and insane have different meanings?
stable juniper
insane is more severe
split granite
worthy rose
how good of a swordsman was handzoap
limpid agate
Better than Genji
worthy rose
and genji acn deflect bastions matchine gun- 💀
worthy rose
That's a reflex feat. Not skill
worthy rose
That's a reflex feat. Not skill
Either way I doubt Hanzo can beat Genji now even with a sword, cos of his enhancements
drifting viper
I think genji is better right now because hanzo quit using swords and so will be worse but genji uses a sword all the time
leaden tapir
worthy rose
Either way I doubt Hanzo can beat Genji now even with a sword, cos of his enhanc...
Obviously. I mean the dude took a blow from DOOMFIST. Pretty insane durability and I doubt Hanzo could hurt him
past copper
Hmm. That is a good question
worthy rose
Omnics have souls?
worthy rose
Obviously. I mean the dude took a blow from DOOMFIST. Pretty insane durability a...
He was pretty fd up after it tho ngl
I wonder what dynamic Ramattra will have with Genji
peak escarp
why Genji?
limpid wigeon
He’s a cyborg
peak escarp
so is Sojourn
limpid wigeon
And he learned from zen
worthy rose
Cos
- Zen
- Cyborg against his will
I feel Ramattra would try to convince him to join him instead of wanting to kill him on sight
worthy rose
Cos of his relation with Zen
dense nebula
Alright movie over
worthy rose
Kinda curious about Sojourn too
Wonder what he’d say to Echo
Orisa would just flat out refuse if he ever asked her to join him
I want a Shimada tank so we can have a Shimada story mission
digital forum
Hmm. That is a good question
Orisa is still following her program I think
Not entirely on her own volition
Bastion proves him wrong though
Pretty sure
peak escarp
how?
digital forum
He was made for battle and then he was discontinued
He broke from his program of murder and slaughter for his curiosity
peak escarp
Bastion is an anomaly
digital forum
Yeah, I think bastion is one of the most important characters because of that
peak escarp
even Torbjorn recognized that
digital forum
Do you think bastion could be like another Aurora at some point
peak escarp
hmm
I think the secret Junkrat found in the omnium will be the key
maybe the secret to making sentient omnics
since Dr. Liao did work in the Australian omnium
sick spire
Why is widowmaker purple?
peak escarp
because Talon slowed her pulse to make her a better sniper
worthy rose
The key to omnic sentience is ||birb
||
junior shuttle
ram is the leader of null sector?
worthy rose
Yes
junior shuttle
oh ty
worthy rose
Np
left blaze
mauga pls i miss you 💔
faint mirage
I believe that mercy uses other peoples soul to heal people
drifting viper
Wdym
peak escarp
she uses nanobiotics
tall ingot
OK, but I want an interaction with Ramattra and genji where they fight over who's zenyattas favorite, and zen tries to calm them down
tidal holly
Is bastion bastion but bastion is bastion so we would know hes bastion but how do we know hes bastion and not anyone else all we know is hes called bastion but what if he stole bastion from bastion bc he liked bastion
tall ingot
H-huh?
pulsar fog
Is bastion bastion but bastion is bastion so we would know hes bastion but how do we know hes bastion and not anyone else all we know is hes called bastion but what if he stole bastion from bastion bc he liked bastionIs bastion bastion but bastion is bastion so we would know hes bastion but how do we know hes bastion and not anyone else all we know is hes called bastion but what if he stole bastion from bastion bc he liked bastionIs bastion bastion but bastion is bastion so we would know hes bastion but how do we know hes bastion and not anyone else all we know is hes called bastion but what if he stole bastion from bastion bc he liked bastionIs bastion bastion but bastion is bastion so we would know hes bastion but how do we know hes bastion and not anyone else all we know is hes called bastion but what if he stole bastion from bastion bc he liked bastionIs bastion bastion but bastion is bastion so we would know hes bastion but how do we know hes bastion and not anyone else all we know is hes called bastion but what if he stole bastion from bastion bc he liked bastionIs bastion bastion but bastion is bastion so we would know hes bastion but how do we know hes bastion and not anyone else all we know is hes called bastion but what if he stole bastion from bastion bc he liked bastion
tidal holly
Bastion
tall ingot
._.
pulsar fog
😉
tidal holly
What if hanzo is genji and genji is hanzo but hanzo hates hanzo so he becomes genji but genji hates genji and he wants hanzo but hanzo dont want genji so hes hanzo but genji wants to be hanzo but hanzo doesnt let hanzo do it bc he wants to be hanzo not genji so genji is mad and genji bye and genji come and kil for hanzo name and genji is hanzo not genji and hanzo is genji
past copper
Seriously, where’s the mods to shut up the ridiculous shitposting? They got lazier then players in game
tidal holly
U sooo want to be a mod but ur not a mod u wish to be a mod but ur not and probs never will mod bc mods dont give mod to non mod so ur not a mod ur normal not mod but u want mod and u cant be mod bc ur not mod
past copper
I don’t wanna be a mod. There’s no money in it
pulsar fog
cringe
tidal holly
U want money bc u dont have money all u want is money but u dont have money so u pray to have money but u dont have money so u want money but cant have money bc money
past copper
And frankly, all the shitposting on lore-discussion is as polluting as the negative crap players are still crying over about the game in general
pulsar fog
cry
tidal holly
Why do u care so much
I dont rlly see how its bothering u
Lol
Btw perfect grammar doesnt mean ur better so u dont gotta edit ur stuff
past copper
Because shitposting is ridiculous on lore when there’s literally better places to do it
Like general
pulsar fog
Because shitposting is ridiculous on lore when there’s literally better places t...
Becuase*
past copper
Sorry not sorry if my perfect grammar makes you feel uncomfortable or inferior. But I miss the part where that’s my problem
tidal holly
Pointing smth out doesnt mean it makes me unfomfortable
pulsar fog
never said it was
tidal holly
If u come to school in underwear and i point it out it doesnt mean im uncomfy
pulsar fog
exactly
past copper
No. That just means that guy’s more comfortable in his own skin then you are with yours
past copper
The law dictates that and nothing else
tidal holly
So now we talking abt the law?
past copper
it’s lore discussion it’s not hard to move elsewhere
Thank you
tidal holly
Yeah but i dont see how its bothering him
snow coral
it’s flooding the chat
past copper
Yeah but i dont see how its bothering him
Because not everyone thinks like you
snow coral
I really don’t see any point in continuing this
tidal holly
Well im sorry online chats in a certain channel bother u my dear friend
peak escarp
!!shitposting @pulsar fog@tidal holly
tidal holly
bright pumice
split granite
I accept my fate
paper gazelle
sigh all these shitposters
Anyway, apparently the voice behind Ramattra is Ramon Tikaram
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Tikaram
He's had a role in EastEnders and has done VA work for various games like Elden Ring and Dragon Age: Inquisition. Pretty impressive
past copper
Not familiar with Tikaram I don’t think. Hard to remember every VA I’ve heard before
Heck. I honestly wasn’t expecting Ramattra to be the new hero
At least not until after the story mode dropped
But if he’s coming this early on, I’m gonna bet that means we can expect the story mode some time between February and May
opaque tundra
I thought his storm rising appearance was a different voice actor. I guess he didn't decide on the final voice back then
past copper
Honestly, I probably would’ve known it was him if I watched GOT. Never seen the show but heard good things up until the final season
I’m much better at remembering a voice actor if I’ve seen them on film or tv
Still, I’d say they got the perfect voice for the perfect villain
paper gazelle
Heck. I honestly wasn’t expecting Ramattra to be the new hero
Same. I'll admit I was disappointed the new hero wasn't Mauga but heck this Ramattra is so badass my excitement has overrode my disappointment
paper gazelle
Still, I’d say they got the perfect voice for the perfect villain
Agreed
limpid wigeon
Same. I'll admit I was disappointed the new hero wasn't Mauga but heck this Rama...
There’s always a chance mauga will be added in a later season too
paper gazelle
There’s always a chance mauga will be added in a later season too
By right, he eventually will, yes
past copper
This character seems better anyway. That stance change gonna be meta AF from the start but players gone love it
limpid wigeon
He better 😤😤
peak escarp
I thought his storm rising appearance was a different voice actor. I guess he di...
he sounds the same to me
opaque tundra
His voice is a higher pitch and has a lighter accent, as well as a less intense voice effect
Idk I guess I'm just going crazy lol
paper gazelle
Maybe there were a bit of changes in terms of the direction of the vocals yeah
thorn crown
It was Moira who gave Reaper his abilities, correct?
peak escarp
yes
thorn crown
Was it when he nearly died against Soldier: 76 or before?
Because I don't remember if he had the powers when he fought him.
paper gazelle
Was it when he nearly died against Soldier: 76 or before?
Before
thorn crown
So he almost lost to a human when he can phase through bullets lmao
peak escarp
he had some wraith powers, but not the full powers he has now
and he nearly died because the building exploded
dreamy epoch
i wonder if tactical visor has a limit
sour carbon
i wonder if tactical visor has a limit
No
neat pivot
At least not until after the story mode dropped
PvE? It's already soft-confirmed for season 3
which is Feb
neat pivot
We know more than that
it hasn't been given a hard date but there have been a couple of strong signs it'll be from season 3
peak escarp
nothing official
peak escarp
source?
peak escarp
where did they say that
neat pivot
Wait are you serious?
They've said that for a start and that's not all i'm going on lol
peak escarp
you can't just make a claim and not back it up
neat pivot
i didn't expect to get dragged into having to dig this up
peak escarp
well?
fervent ore
wanna play ovw?
sacred night
r there ant good ow lore vids
peak escarp
r there ant good ow lore vids
depends how long of a video you want
paper gazelle
for a start we know it's early 2023 and not just 2023
I mean I do hope they'd at least give more details in early 2023
“We definitely wanted her to have some sort of tie with the Shimada brothers,” Min said. “An early iteration was [that Kiriko was] their long-lost sister, but we ditched that idea because we wanted to make our worldview look a little bit bigger, but still connected. We landed on [Kiriko being] a family friend, like a niece sort of relationship between those two.
Wait WHAT, that would mean all those fanarts and speculations the Shimada brothers having a sister would've been kinda true
Min said that voice actor Sally Amaki, who has done voice work for anime and is a member of the virtual singing group 22/7, “brought [Kiriko] to life.”
“This is her first game work, so there was a learning curve, because vocally [games have] very different delivery,” Min recalled. “But she just was such a champ — she went through four-hour late night sessions like nothing and would be like, Oh, yeah, I have a concert tomorrow, because she’s part of a J-pop idol group.”
So... that explains it.
ivory garnet
i didn't expect to get dragged into having to dig this up
they never stated anything other than 2023
fathom oxide
I swear they said early 2023 too, must be the Mandela effect or something
dawn topaz
Could sombra in theory hack D.Vas mech and trigger the self destruct while locking Hana inside?
elder wasp
According to roadmap it will begin in 2023.
Maybe you interpeted that as the beginning of 2023
All information I have found leaves it as sometime during 2023.
kindred nimbus
Maybe he assumed its gon start in season 3 cuz
PvE begins is in the future seasons list
clear kestrel
it's kinda weird we got ramattra so early
but I guess it makes sense
having him be an established character helps forge a deeper connection
since he's one of the main antagonists
I'm honestly kinda surprised he's actually a playable hero
I figured he'd be an NPC
keen summit
im not that surprised but im mainly just happy
he can really hype up pve + he also is very impactfull for story
clear kestrel
I think the reason he feels different to say
doomfist to me is because Akande is on a much smaller scale
and he only became defacto leader of talon recently all things considered
Ramattra is doing shit that affects the world on a global scale directly
I don't think he's intent on wiping out humanity or anything
just
forcing us to yield maybe
cause enough damage and destruction to send a message
keen summit
well yes
hes trying to make people scared to kill omnics
and thats why it fits with doom
clear kestrel
he's definitely more understandable and noble than Akande in my eyes
even if what he's doing is probably gonna make things worse for Omnics as a whole
fear breeds resentment
and that's exactly what Doomfist is counting on I'd wager
keen summit
doom wants a war for humanity to evolve, if the omnics are more powerfull humanity either fights or allows omnics to live in peace, doomfist can give nullsector a place where they are allowed to live in peace while nullsector can create non sentient omnics
keen summit
i know
clear kestrel
but null sector don't factor in at all imo
they're just means to an end
they're the catalyst, that's it
I just wonder if doomfist has anything planned to ensure humanity survives or if he's just like
"start a war and see how it plays out"
I'm also wondering how OWs return factors into his plans
I imagine he saw it coming, he'd be foolish to think they'd be gone forever
and he's not a fool so
split granite
I imagine doomfist isn’t too worried
Right now overwatch as it is doesn’t stand much of a chance against ALL of talon and null sector
Granted we know cassidy dva pharah bap and zarya are joining OW too but doom doesn’t know that yet
mortal leaf
Can somebody explain to me rammatras lore in detail
They seem very important in the lore
I mean leading omnics is real crazy
Plus how he managed to befriend zenyatta
drifting viper
Can somebody explain to me rammatras lore in detail
Hes like anti zen
Hes the opposite
mortal leaf
If anything he would abhor him
People said they are like brothers so i assumed it meant friend
drifting viper
Can somebody explain to me rammatras lore in detail
Because humans are so oppressive of omnics he became the leader of an omnic terrorist group basically
dense nebula
Bruh
They’re monks
Monks usually refer to each other as brother
Western monks anyways
drifting viper
People said they are like brothers so i assumed it meant friend
He used to be a monk like zen hes not anymore
wanton kraken
Monks usually refer to each other as brother
Oh yeah but I think they said ''They see each others as brothers'' like what their relation to each other is, so I think they're friends but see very differently on how to solve the human vs omnics crisis (imo)
drifting viper
Oh yeah but I think they said ''They see each others as brothers'' like what the...
I think they're enemies
drifting viper
Oh yeah but I think they said ''They see each others as brothers'' like what the...
Zenyatta would not support killing thousands of humans because they oppressed them
wanton kraken
He could probably see why though, like of course he wouldn't support it but he's all about peace, love and understanding so like he did with Genji, bringing him to an understanding with himself I'd think Zen might want to do the same with Ramattra
But I totally see your point and it's valid
I'm excited to see what their relation to each other really is like ✌
drifting viper
I think ramattra will hate zenyatta and think hes betraying the omnics
Since they have opposite views
While zenyatta will want to get ramattra to stop being a terrorist
Theyre interactions will probably be something like ramattra being rude and zenyatta replying calmly
grand wedge
He’s not a friend to Zen
he was tho
dense nebula
Back then he might’ve been
limpid agate
They're friends that went down different paths
Its a common trope
But a nice one we haven't explored as well
Closest we have are Jack/Reaper and Genji/Hanzo, but this one has larger implications on the present story
I'm looking forward to seeing how they interact
wet lantern
Hi just here to ask if Hanzo is in overwatch and if he is how did he join and if he isn’t then no explanation needed
snow bluff
kindred nimbus
Nah he aint part of anything yet
plain nimbus
OW lore has a lot of science shit but I am digging it
wet lantern
Ah thx
So his lore makes a lot more sense now
Also weird question why is Hanzo ||shipped|| with Cassidy my friends say that they haven’t interacted I do find it cute tho don’t attack me
kindred nimbus
Wat
limpid agate
There is no lore reason
wet lantern
So it’s more in game interactions?
limpid agate
No
wet lantern
I don’t get it…
limpid agate
At the time of Cassidy's reveal, him and Hanzo were the only two heroes who were:
- Male
- Not Old Men
- Human
So they were by default
wet lantern
Shipped
limpid agate
Yeah
wet lantern
Ah aight
limpid agate
There is 0 value to it in the lore and it has nothing to do with interactions or story or anything
Its just shippers wasting their time trying to shipping anyone they can
wet lantern
I mean as long as it’s harmless I think it’s fine
golden briar
🪨
plain nimbus
Isn't Cassidy part of overwatch
desert arch
Is there an in-universe reason why Cassidy changed his name
hearty badge
I still call him mcree
desert arch
I understand the actual reason was to distance themselves from that one employee but is there a canon reason
limpid agate
Isn't Cassidy part of overwatch
He was part of Overwatch. He is also part of Winston's new Overwatch
limpid agate
Is there an in-universe reason why Cassidy changed his name
We dont know
They made a tweet to suggest that there was an in universe name change reason
But they've been treating it like a retcon instead
So its probably better to say, no. No there isnt
worthy sparrow
Is there an in-universe reason why Cassidy changed his name
Probably got into some gang stuff and had to change his name.
limpid agate
Again, no.
worthy sparrow
Why not
worthy rose
We dont know
Wasn't there a whole comic??
limpid agate
Not about that
The comic was about him making a new team to bring into Winston's Overwatch
!!newblood
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gentle cedar
ashe lore?
iron gorge
ashe lore?
deadlock rebels the book
gentle cedar
deadlock rebels the book
thx
iron gorge
yw
gilded yacht
OW lore has a lot of science shit but I am digging it
am all in for it
gilded yacht
I think the reason he feels different to say
doomfist to me is because Akande is...
that is not he way i see it
About Null Sector being above Talon
Yes DoomFist wants war for humans to evolvbe
But in order for his plan to suceed
he just lets call it a small push
He is actually preping the stange for the Talon to take on the wolrd i mean to be the leaders of the new World
He sees oportunity in the Null Sector
Is anyone asking themselves
how DAFAQ did Null Sector group grown from group of Savages and undergrounders in London
to the biggest and most powerful omnic group on the planet
Think about it
During Uprising who small and insignificent they were to the present day where they are invading whole planet
With new units machines vehicles aircrafts etc
It is safe to say
They had some help
For me this is the part where outro of the Storm Rising has it roots. Doom is having meeting with Ramttra
doom probably ensured and suplied null sector wiht new technologies
One dude on YT (TGN) thinks that vishkar mass produced and supplied null sector (obviously Vishkar is part of Talon)
In the end Doom is counting on the ow to get rid of Null sector or Talon will just betray and destroy them for good
when the PvE starts
definetly 1st arc in ow2 story would be the omnics later down the line will definetly be Talon at some point
and other minor factions
so those are my unfiltred thaughts about nul sector in ow2
grizzled crystal
is there anything good left in gabriel
stable juniper
I feel like he has a lot of regret buried deep down inside of him, but similar to Darth Vader, the old him has been killed and only the hard shell remains
still solstice
the new character is like a evil zenyetta
iron gorge
the new character is like a evil zenyetta
zenyatta after being spawncamped one too many times
stable juniper
the new character is like a evil zenyetta
Actually yes lol
iron gorge
Null sector is such a cool name
gilded yacht
Yep
gilded yacht
is there anything good left in gabriel
While reading code of violencd i found Gabriel Reyes a.k.a Reaper not as one dimensional
As i did in the beggininga
After reading it I thaught to my slef that he actuall might have most complicatated character in overwatch
He thinks that Talon is like a salvation not a criminal organization that wants to counqer the world
crimson cliff
the new character is like a evil zenyetta
I would love to see Zenyatta and Ramattra’s interactions in game
still solstice
I would love to see Zenyatta and Ramattra’s interactions in game
same lol
solid sonnet
I would love to see Zenyatta and Ramattra’s interactions in game
SAME
limpid agate
how DAFAQ did Null Sector group grown from group of Savages and undergrounders i...
It didnt start as a "group of Savages and undergrounders in London"
They put their plans on pause while Doomfist was in prison because Ramattra was collaborating with Doomfist to start the war between humans and Null Sector
And in those years they likely grew in power
They were never a minor faction, we just never really knew their extent
iron gorge
This is my interpretation of the timeline!
If u find any mistakes, plz reply or dm me
(Still working on the other parts)
bitter kayak
I have a question about Widowmaker
Did no one try to save widow when they knew that she was brainwashed?
Like we know that they saved her before but they didn't know she was programmed to do stuff like murdering her husband lol but I mean like after they found out
Did they just give up on her?
grand wedge
Did no one try to save widow when they knew that she was brainwashed?
Because no one knows
Ana knew she was alive but got shot right after
bitter kayak
Because no one knows
Oh so they think that she changed teams by her own choice?
grand wedge
It s a possibility
bitter kayak
Ana knew she was alive but got shot right after
Oh no the widowtracer fanfics, "Who did this to you" "why do you care" 💀💀
grand wedge
I don’t even know if Tracer knew her as Amélie before she killed Gérard
bitter kayak
Damn that's fucked up, no one questioned why she turned purple
fathom hearth
can someone carry me alot in unranked if so dm me
bitter kayak
I don’t even know if Tracer knew her as Amélie before she killed Gérard
True
grand wedge
Damn that's fucked up, no one questioned why she turned purple
Also, she was wearing a full Talon gear and her head was covered
bitter kayak
Also, she was wearing a full Talon gear and her head was covered
Was she not blue when ana shot thru her mask? Or was that her early stage where she was just pale asf
iron gorge
When was Sigmas experiment in space?
grand wedge
Was she not blue when ana shot thru her mask? Or was that her early stage where ...
Only Ana saw her back then
And got shot right after
She was kinda bluish yeah
And possibly not full blue yet
grand wedge
When was Sigmas experiment in space?
We don’t know for sure, but he was freed by Talon after OW fell ( 1 year after the explosion iirc)
bitter kayak
why is overwatchs lore actually kinda nice, I'm actually digging it 💀💀
grand wedge
Because the lore is indeed nice 😊
bitter kayak
Give more traumatized characters yes!
grand wedge
And interesting if you start digging
peak escarp
it's always been good, it's just not in the game so people ignore it
bitter kayak
And interesting if you start digging
I will
Did you guys see that one's dude post about that one scene in ramatatabatstas origin story? It was the part where he was holding the downed omnic and people were hitting and throwing shit at him
He said that there was only white people hitting the "black" omnic
grand wedge
… do you mean BTC?
iron gorge
We don’t know for sure, but he was freed by Talon after OW fell ( 1 year after t...
ow disbanded in 2072, therefore the experiment is in 2071, perhaps just before archive: storm rising and the explosion of owhq...
bitter kayak
What is btc
grand wedge
Blame The Controller
bitter kayak
Oh, yes
grand wedge
Ignore him
peak escarp
ow disbanded in 2072, therefore the experiment is in 2071, perhaps just before a...
we don't know the year for any of this
limpid agate
ow disbanded in 2072, therefore the experiment is in 2071, perhaps just before a...
We dont know specific years
grand wedge
ow disbanded in 2072, therefore the experiment is in 2071, perhaps just before a...
We have no official dates
bitter kayak
Ignore him
Oh okay 💀
limpid agate
We can only speak in reference to the present date
peak escarp
the official year for Overwatch was never given
limpid agate
So OW disbanded 5 years ago
Storm Rising was 6 years ago
Retribution 8
Uprising 7
That is using terms in reference to Recall
As the present day
It gets muddier when we look at OW2's present day, which is about a year later
And everything we have that gives us years is based around Recall
restive crown
so rammatra was created originally as a war omnic, while zenyattas omnic type wasnt for war but just normal everyday helper type people. So Ramattra while studying at the chambali it makes sense he went towards the more rogue path because of his programming no?
let me know what yall think
limpid agate
We dont know what Zenyatta was made for
iron gorge
michael chu said in 2016 that ow is 60 yrs in the future
brittle marsh
We dont know what Zenyatta was made for
Tranquility
limpid agate
But he is likely a civilian omnic
brittle marsh
jk
restive crown
We dont know what Zenyatta was made for
zenyattas species looks like the normal omnics in the kingsrow widow cinematic
just everyday helpers
like clerks
etc
limpid agate
Its hard to tell because civilian omnics vary wildly in appearance
Compare BOB to Zen to Ramattra
peak escarp
michael chu said in 2016 that ow is 60 yrs in the future
"something like" 60 years in the future
and we don't know when that 60 is counted from
limpid agate
BOB looks like more of a war machine than Ramattra in pure stature
brittle marsh
I love Widows backstory
grand wedge
michael chu said in 2016 that ow is 60 yrs in the future
They said that In 2014 too
peak escarp
they've been saying "60 years" since 2014
iron gorge
and in recall athena said that omnic crisis 2 is still raging in russia
and then in zarya's hero introduction
restive crown
Compare BOB to Zen to Ramattra
I can, go to 1:10 of the overwatch widow tracer cinematic "Alive" it shows us 2 types of omnics. Ones that look like zen and ones that look like bob
my theory is zen type omnics are normal everyday ones while the bob types worked in law enforcement or something along the corporate lines
the zen ones where the only omnics shown that got beat up in the rammatra cinematic
so Im confirming it they are the civ omnics
iron gorge
it says the omnics attacked just before the IWF world championships
restive crown
IWF?
iron gorge
IWF?
International Weightlifting Federation
which happens once every 2 years
therefore,
current time is either 2075 or 2077
but i prefer 2077 because cyberounk
grand wedge
No need to try to give it dates
restive crown
just say round 2077
peak escarp
or 2079 or 2073 or 2081...
dawn topaz
Are Omnics without those slots for eyes just...blind?
restive crown
Are Omnics without those slots for eyes just...blind?
the blue part on their heads is there sensory dots
the eye holes I think are aesthetic
dawn topaz
But zen has a spray that shows literal cameras behind them
and ramattra also shows his eyes in the origin story
peak escarp
different types of sensors
restive crown
nvm head sensors are life
when zenyatta mentor gets shot by widow his lights go off
limpid agate
That doesnt mean they are life
The speedometer of your car isnt life, but if you put a shotgun to the battery the speedo will turn off
storm sentinel
balls
iron osprey
there are 3 main types of omnics theres the average civilian kinda like zen who were made to do basic tasks like being waiters and stuff. then theres the ones like bob who were meant to be like bodyguards, law enforcement, construction, basically anything that needs stronk. Then theres the broader omnics made for fighting like bastion, orisa, and ramattra
limpid agate
I don't think that's an accurate assessment
iron osprey
i mean that seems like what the main "classes" of omnics are
peak escarp
what about Titans? Detonators? Slicers? Eradicators?
iron osprey
what about Titans? Detonators? Slicers? Eradicators?
those fall into the ones made for warfare
peak escarp
rather broad category
iron osprey
yeah
heres a better way to put ot
theres 3 classes/jobs for omnics. the ones made for basic tasks like waiters and drivers, then the ones made for heavy lifting like construction or law enforcement. and then theres the ones made for warfare
keen summit
Are Omnics without those slots for eyes just...blind?
We've never seen one
Bastion sees through the big light
dawn topaz
We've never seen one
The omnics in venice
the gondoliers
I assume all non-sentient ones are blind
since the circuit royal baristas also have no eyes
shell cipher
zenyatta fly how? can all omnics fly? whats the iris?
limpid agate
We dont know how Zen can float. Previously it was nothing special because things float without repulsors, but it could be related to whatever makes Zenyatta/Ramattra their "powers"
Not all omnics can float.
The Iris is a state of being comparable to Nirvana
worthy rose
does kiriko not like hanzo?
grand wedge
considering that the Hashimoto took over the city when Hanzo left the clan (and ""murdered" Genji)... she may have some ressentiment toward him
limpid agate
It sounds like Diva
past copper
We dont know how Zen can float. Previously it was nothing special because things...
It’s literally been said Zen has tech in his chest that allows him to float and we’ve yet to see Ram float. I don’t think he can
molten shore
It sounds like Diva
Is diva a real word or something
sharp trench
Are Omnics without those slots for eyes just...blind?
they’re sensors
maybe some omnics are “blind” in the sense they cant see color, rather they get vision through the sensors detecting others around it as well as hearing
worthy rose
Doomfist solos lore
sharp trench
bastions probably use a “normal” optic connected to multiple systems for friendly identification, terrainfinding, etc
so it can see color as in the last bastion
grand wedge
It’s literally been said Zen has tech in his chest that allows him to float and ...
where?
limpid agate
Is diva a real word or something
D.Va herself is a celebrity pro gamer, streamer, and movie star
sharp trench
bastions probably use a “normal” optic connected to multiple systems for friendl...
probably OR14/15s too, though more sophisticated in the case
along with all the other tiny sensors in omnics
past copper
I don’t remember where. But I definitely read it somewhere about Zen. I probably read up on Zen’s lore outta for whatever reason like being bored
molten shore
D.Va herself is a celebrity pro gamer, streamer, and movie star
Interesting
past copper
Or maybe omnics in general. I don’t remember
grand wedge
so it's not a source... we don't know how he floats (yet)
peak escarp
he claims to get his powers from the Iris
boreal fractal
Yall think Ram and rem will have a rivalry
shut cove
I need a team for rank
dense nebula
Ngl, I anticipate some form of Oogway/Sifu relationship between the two
Just not master and teacher
Moreso belief
boreal fractal
view him as someone who strayed from the path
What about the other omnics
Bastion
Echo
Orisa
Etc
limpid agate
Echo is not an omnic
peak escarp
Orisa, Echo and Bastion probably don't understand why he can't just live in peace with humans
boreal fractal
Echo is not an omnic
Close enough
limpid agate
Not close enough
peak escarp
since they all experience peace with the humans around them
limpid agate
Orisa was raised in Numbani which has humans and omnics living in harmony.
Bastion spent over a decade wandering the forest without interacting with humans
Those two are your omnics you can make your comparison about
Echo is not an omnic
She is not comparable.
boreal fractal
Ram and the other omnics will probably have some unique interactions
dense nebula
I wonder how someone like Tracer’ll view him
Considering he is actively against what she’s for
peak escarp
I'm curious to see Rama's reaction to Reaper
boreal fractal
Ram will probably try to convince the other omnics to be in his plan
sharp trench
I'm curious to see Rama's reaction to Reaper
isn’t Reaper anti omnic
peak escarp
Reaper was the commander of Overwatch during the crisis
he killed millions of omnics
past copper
You ever notice how three Null Sector units here look like they’re designed after him
shut cove
Team for rank
past copper
Wonder if those three are like commanders or something
dense nebula
You ever notice how three Null Sector units here look like they’re designed afte...
One of em looks like Belial from Darksiders
past copper
Honestly those three look like the only intelligent omnics in Null Sector under their leader but you do have to wonder if they’ll be used at all
Their concept is probably what inspired Ramattra’s full design after all
dense nebula
Fat Prior in the front has an orb like Rama
Idk what his actual name is so I’m calling him Fat Prior
past copper
Two have staff weapons with one having an orb. One has clearly has tank vibes. And then floating one looks like Ramattra’s Nemesis form
hot cedar
is that his ingame model?
dense nebula
Also side note
His orb is giving off Saturn vibes with those small rocks orbiting around it
I think those are his projectiles
past copper
Seems they took the designs from three Null Sector units to make him. So while those three may not be used, at least their concept didn’t go to waste
dense nebula
We already had Ramattra’s main design tho, just not the staff
past copper
Also, anyone think there’s a deep meaning to how Zenyatta has nine orbs whereas Ramattra only has one?
hot cedar
what do the orbs mean
past copper
Pretty sure the orbs represent the spiritual awakening to the Shambali. Hence why Zen is the only one to have nine of them
peak escarp
the orbs are used by the Shambali in meditation
shut cove
Rank
past copper
True. But seems Ram found a way to use his as a weapon
peak escarp
we see this in Stone by Stone where Symmetra is given the Orb of Perception to meditate on
past copper
Also, bet his Nemesis form had inspiration from another source outside Blizzard
Nemesis from GEN:lock
I see some similarities between the designs
dense nebula
I can’t at all
worthy rose
four arms aquardly spaced legs, EVEN THE SAME COLOR PALLET this looks like a copy and paste moment ngl
worthy rose
yes
i mean dark body and the red stripe on the legs
hard to deny
that this has some copy paste vibes
shut cove
Than what is for rank
dense nebula
Ramattra has no red at all
worthy rose
@shut cove #overwatch-serious :))
@dense nebula are we looking at the same picture??
worthy rose
look at the nemisis legs
the stripe on the thighs
is red
the clawz and toes are red
his shoulder joints are red
his weird mask thing on his neck is red
:/
dense nebula
Yes but it has no similarities to Rama’s Nemesis form
worthy rose
his nemisis form is shown under the picture for our reference
from @past copper (ty for the photos!) they show the most definately the insteration photo above and then his nemisis form below
insperation* horrible spelling my bad :p
dense nebula
Anyways, that is most likely not at all inspiration for Ramattra’s design
But I wonder how powerful the Nemesis form is lore wise
dreamy epoch
i can see the four arms but it stops there
craggy lotus
i’m watching a youtube vid with all the animated shorts in order
and my god
why is widowmaker vs tracer a top 10 anime fight
dense nebula
It’s not that intense ngl
I’d still argue Genji v Hanzo or McCassidy v the Deadlocks is more intense
shut cove
Is this for rank
grand wedge
Is this for rank
no
shut cove
What is
limpid agate
Nemesis from GEN:lock
If you want an animation referece for Nemesis form
Its basically Star Platinum
worthy rose
YO JOJO?
worthy rose
I’d still argue Genji v Hanzo or McCassidy v the Deadlocks is more intense
McCree vs Deadlock gang was awesome
worthy rose
Reinhardt using Ridley side B on that bastion unit in Honor and Glory
wish you could do that in the game
compact marlin
McCree vs Deadlock gang was awesome
where do u guys find these videos?
past copper
where do u guys find these videos?
Uhh YouTube
past copper
Yo. Can I guess a timeline for Overwatch? Tryin help a friend who wants to know it
muted rain
Ramattra is not very smart. Going on a warpath will lead to more omni deaths so in the end he's just making things even worse for his people.
past copper
Ramattra is not very smart. Going on a warpath will lead to more omni deaths so ...
Considering his intentions involving killing humanity if needed, I doubt that will matter much
drifting viper
Ramattra is not very smart. Going on a warpath will lead to more omni deaths so ...
His judgement is clouded by anger
past copper
Plus, people remember how hopeless the Crisis was before Overwatch was formed and most people believe they’re still gone. So fear will affect people more than anything
drifting viper
Yo. Can I guess a timeline for Overwatch? Tryin help a friend who wants to know ...
Theres a YouTube video in the pins
past copper
Only places who know Overwatch is back are Paris and Busan as far we’ve seen so far. I guess Rio and Canada too
past copper
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19K_zQ_UM0xQ0a7tahFwKLo5BmR41GEEezWezvIoJ__E/...
Thx btw
alpine pawn
Ramattra is not very smart. Going on a warpath will lead to more omni deaths so ...
he doesnt want equality tho he wants to kill humans or force a state where his kind can live, he never said hes seeking a stop to violence he wants to further omnics status with it
drifting viper
I think due to being oppressed by humans he believes in omnic supremacy
alpine pawn
more like he believes with reason is us or them
drifting viper
It would be interesting if zenyatta once shared the same views
alpine pawn
which isnt a logic that works for humans but omnics are banned from trying to reproduce in most nations
drifting viper
And changed once he embraced the iris
I wonder how ramattra feels about numbani
I think he would see the omnics as traitors
And the humans as evil anyway because hes racist
alpine pawn
maybe probably depends if he sees the friendship as genuine
but considering null sectors way to operate hes prob an extremist too
past copper
We won’t know unless he has Null Sector attack Numbani
Though, they probably would under Akande’s order
past copper
He would want to prove a point after all about omnics being dangerous to humanity
past copper
Why would ramattra work with doomfist
Clearly you never watched the end of Storm Rising where the two met
peak escarp
Rama doesn't hate humans
past copper
Clearly, they’re working together
drifting viper
Clearly you never watched the end of Storm Rising where the two met
I haven't
alpine pawn
i doubt their atack theres they probably prefere to destroy human regimes know to have anti omnic sentiments and anything in between before atacking cities with free omnics since they clearly have no interest in killing what they think their own
drifting viper
I agree
past copper
You forget, if they work with Akande, who’s tried to make a point before about humans and omnics in Hero of Numbani, would send Null Sector to Numbani to either make an example out of the city or make them see reason
Whether or not Ramattra agrees to this is up in the air
alpine pawn
doomfist is an ally not their leader
past copper
He’s their benefactor
alpine pawn
heck i doubt the pact with talon is a common know info in all levels of null sector or that doomfist has any intention to micromanage them
past copper
How else could Ramattra have gotten such an army unless he had help, which Doomfist clearly gave to him
opaque tundra
Ramatrra probably sees the resources and potential in working with Talon and would deal with working with humans because he has that "at any cost" mentality
drifting viper
I don't get it why does doomfist want to help ramattra
alpine pawn
if blizz has shown anything with heroes is coherence in personality doomfist does not hinder peoples initiative
alpine pawn
How else could Ramattra have gotten such an army unless he had help, which Doomf...
i didnt say he hadnt received help from them lol
opaque tundra
I don't get it why does doomfist want to help ramattra
Doomfist wants to make humanity stronger with conflict and an omnic human war is perfect
drifting viper
Doomfist wants to make humanity stronger with conflict and an omnic human war is...
Oh ok
alpine pawn
anyways while talon did help null sector get where they are i doubt they really have any interest in managing them much, as long as they cause conflict thats the end goal anyways
drifting viper
Whats talons goal