isnt his whole thing that he doesnt want omnics to be killed??
#lore-discussion
jaunty lion
worthy rose
He cares about his other omnic brothers and sisters
idk why he'd order a kill on an omnic
let alone a SHAMBALI, whom he was apart of
worthy rose
also is that mondatta behind him?
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
so yeah
a omnic
who was a shambali
and he was a student directly under him from the looks of it
doesn't quite add up to me
peak escarp
he left because the Shambali message wasn't getting through
dense nebula
Further wanting him to have revenge
peak escarp
preaching from the temples wasn't working
dense nebula
Sometimes instead of people coming to God
peak escarp
it's why Zenyatta left too, except Zenyatta didn't choose violence
worthy rose
also i'm preeeeety sure Doomfist probably called for the death of Mondatta
unless he was in helix when that happened?-
at the same time maybe he had a way to get orders through?-
or he had it all pre-meditated
opaque tundra
Ramattra is SO cool I love this direction so much
peak escarp
also i'm preeeeety sure Doomfist probably called for the death of Mondatta
unles...
he didn't
opaque tundra
Mondatta Ramattra Zenyatta. As soon as I heard his name before the reveal I knew he was shambali
worthy rose
huh I didn't notice that before
opaque tundra
I also noticed that ramattra and ow2 zen have similar designs
opaque tundra
I don’t have images on my tablet but they both have similar tops as well as short sleeves
split granite
RAMMATRA
opaque tundra
The weird wire straps around Zen’s pants is similar to Ramattra’s hair
opaque tundra
Overwatch league grand finals revealed his origin story
worthy rose
up on youtube
really cool character
can't wait to grind 55 BP levels just to use him
Time stamp?
opaque tundra
I have no idea I didn’t see it live
peak escarp
opaque tundra
He has a really good design. Despite not having facial features, he looks angry
grand wedge
Finally, our Dark omnic has a name, and a backstory, and will be playable, after 3 years and a half!
peak escarp
I'm hyped
worthy rose
don't forget the battle pass
peak escarp
so hyped I forgot to finish reading the Sojourn novel
wise dragon
Since it’s confirmed that Omnics cannot be reproduced, I wonder what this means for heroes like Orisa and Echo who were made after the crisis
Is it possible to bring omnics back to life from their wrecked parts?
sullen raptor
Since it’s confirmed that Omnics cannot be reproduced, I wonder what this means ...
They eventually worn out/die
wise dragon
Orisa is a restored OR-15 model omnic
worthy rose
probably possible to rebuild their bodies
but restoring consciousness as they once were is up in the air
sullen raptor
probably possible to rebuild their bodies
but restoring consciousness as they on...
Idk if Ai conscious can be copied
wise dragon
Echo didn’t gain her own conscience until Dr. Liao’s conscience was given to her
wise dragon
That’s a constant theme of Echo, that she’s trying to put together the pieces from Dr. Liao’s memory but can’t quite understand it herself
peak escarp
Echo didn’t gain her own conscience until Dr. Liao’s conscience was given to her
it's not Dr. Liao's conscience
Echo is just mimicking her
she's not literally Dr. Liao in a robot body
wise dragon
Yeah she’s a separate conscience
sullen raptor
If echo died, she will receive another memory ai..but i guess thats what cass doing in reunion
The tiny flash disc thing
worthy rose
so if you saved an Omnics memory's and backed them up to the cloud
it could work
sullen raptor
I mean yeh
wise dragon
There are several servant omnics seen across the maps, maybe attempts to recreate them, since obviously it should be mechanically possible to do so, result in an omnic without free will
opaque tundra
From what I understand, civilian sentient omnics aren’t made anymore which means any possible open omniums only made the service bots
past copper
Damn. So that guy’s basically on a crusade for his people. Dark but awesome
dreamy epoch
he looks very interesting
and I like the fact that they actually said they're moving forward with the story of Overwatch 2 with ramattra as a character
sojourn is a past character, and kiriko JQ are pretty detached overall
past copper
Anyone else get Darth Vader vibes. Like he used to be a Jedi, but turned to the Dark Side to bring peace
dreamy epoch
he's antagonistic but he's not talon which is great imo
dense nebula
About that…..
past copper
I wouldn’t say that
dense nebula
alpine pawn
not really darth vader more dooku
dense nebula
He was last seen plotting with Doomfist
past copper
Did you forget who talked to him in Cairo
grand wedge
Anyone else get Darth Vader vibes. Like he used to be a Jedi, but turned to the ...
kind of
past copper
I’m no expert on extremist groups, but I doubt he could’ve built that many factory ships himself. Plus, he and Doomfist aim for a similar goal
Doomfist wants the strong to rise up from destruction and Ramattra wants his people to have a better life
Also, if this guy is the new tank then does that mean the story mode is coming alongside nicely for next year? Possibly in February?
iron plume
I’m no expert on extremist groups, but I doubt he could’ve built that many facto...
They share a similar goal in that they want a human-omnic war to start
The difference is that Ramattra wants Omnics to win while Doomfist doesn't
Depending on your interpretation, DF either wants humans to win by getting better, or like
keep the whole thing going forever, still with humanity getting better in the process
certainly not lose though
They'll have to come to blows eventually
Possibly sooner rather than later if Ramattra finds out who's responsible for Mondatta's death
past copper
I’ll say this, would not have expected the leader of Null Sector to have once been apart of the ||Shambali|| You really wouldn’t have believed it if you didn’t see it
iron plume
It wouldn't be my first thought but it makes sense
past copper
Surprised he’s the tank though. But then again we never saw what he looks like completely until now
I’m interested in what he can actually do and just what pieces of lore we’ll get with his voice lines
Also I fucking love his design
dreamy epoch
I mean talking with doomfist doesn't necessarily make him talon
since they literally just said he's the leader of null sector
like if doomfist is using him to achieve a goal then it would be more of a partnership than a "you work under my banner" thing
grand wedge
He said that the omnics are the last one he has... be he will need new troops. but.. they won't be omnics? maybe robots with no souls?
iron plume
or a lost technology
past copper
He’s literally working with Null Sector. Both of them are clearly just using each other to further their own goals. Which will more than likely clash
cedar shuttle
wasn't the guy who was talking to doomfist maxmillian?
iron plume
I guess it's as good a proof as any that the mooks aren't sentient
grand wedge
or a lost technology
give me my archeologist!
iron plume
I mean
it's not from that long ago lol
iron plume
wasn't the guy who was talking to doomfist maxmillian?
no
grand wedge
damn 
grand wedge
Maximilian was getting arrested by OW when Doomfist was talking to Ramattra
iron plume
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7TZWaqUPWM
Maximillien is at the start
Ramattra is at the end
past copper
I’m more curious about his origin. We never saw his kind during the Omnic Crisis. So could he have been built before then?
After all, if you make robots, there is gonna be a country or two who make them for war. That’s a fact
peak escarp
we haven't seen much about the crisis
past copper
True, but these guys don’t seem to have built during the crisis. In fact, they actually look more advanced than the Bastion units
peak escarp
why not?
past copper
Hmm. Maybe the last of the generation before the end of the crisis
peak escarp
they're at least as advanced as the OR14s
past copper
Why are you spoilering it?
Not everyone is on here right now and some probably don’t listen out on Overwatch news very often. Just being polite for them
past copper
they're at least as advanced as the OR14s
Could be that Bastions and Titan units were the first gen followed by OR units and ended with these units
The latter probably not seeing much action before the war ended
Honestly, you can break it down by Star Wars rules. Bastions were B1 Battle Droids. OR14s were B2 Super Battle Droids. And these guys were Commando Droids
peak escarp
in the Sojourn novel, Bastions, OR14s and Titans are all used at the same time
I don't think there's a linear progression between them
sharp trench
they're more "doctrinal" units if that makes sense
past copper
It depends on how advanced omniums were getting. These guys were probably a new kind of unit to match the human enemy better. Faster, stronger, smarter. It’s scary but possible
sharp trench
OR14s are heavy units, Bastions are light/medium units
peak escarp
anyway, there's nothing saying that Rama's unit type wasn't built during the crisis
they're just beefier versions of the civilian model
past copper
Anyone else think they were possibly called sentinel units? Because they could very well have been the units made to guard the factories
Couldn’t exactly trust that in the hands of mindless drones like bastions and OR14s right?
sharp trench
thats a bit counterintuitive
mindless drones should be the one defending the factory
no chance of abandoning post out of intelligence
past copper
Mindless drones don’t think before they shoot. They could damage the factory trying to eliminate intruders
sharp trench
if the humans couldnt destroy the omniums i dont think these mindless drones could either
theres bound to be intruders anyway
past copper
They had to get inside the omniums to shut them down. The factories would need special units to guard them in the instance intruders could infiltrate it
peak escarp
in the novel they have Hunstman units defending them
past copper
That being said, there would still be bastion and OR14s maybe even a titan unit to guard it from outside
peak escarp
which are spiderlike
sharp trench
you can alternatively just outright destroy the omnium
but there's the problem of the irradiated omnium or whatever
past copper
you can alternatively just outright *destroy* the omnium
No. You can’t
past copper
No. You can’t. Not unless you want a Chernobyl in various areas around the world
sharp trench
so you can destroy an omnium theoretically
sour venture
I have a question, in the widowmaker animated short, when she killed the robot, couldnt just they repair it later?
past copper
AI is unique so probably not
sharp trench
I have a question, in the widowmaker animated short, when she killed the robot, ...
it probably damaged all of the key information inside said robot's brain
sour venture
In the future they could have a back up for the AI
sharp trench
they could have rebuilt him, but he's dead
said robot's brain being all of the information tech and that shit inside the head
assuming it's stored there
sour venture
Makes sense, i wonder if they could make a back up of it's brain too
sour venture
Ok
past copper
Omnics believe and treat their AI as though they’re actual souls. Rebuilding them would defeat the purpose of that belief
sour venture
Thanks for answering my question
alpine thunder
Fortnite lore better
sharp trench
but anyway they probably could have destroyed the omniums in theory if they wanted to, ignoring the side effects
past copper
Fortnite lore better
Fortnite is a game that has to sell out to bigger corporations just to get by these days. So let’s not talk about such an unrelated thing here
sour venture
Fortnite lore better
Fortnite lore is way more confusing than Evangelion lore
In terms of lore
Who would you think it's the most powerful overwatch character?
imo is Sigma definetively
digital forum
Yeah, sigma is raw power personified
past copper
Doomfist hands down. His fighting capabilities, intellectual mind, and financial resources make him dangerous on so many levels
sour venture
Doomfist is extremely brutal
I wish in the overwatch 2 story develop more about characters
Specially Sigma
He has a very interesting lore
alpine pawn
Doomfist hands down. His fighting capabilities, intellectual mind, and financial...
we discussed doomfist like 20 times and in none hes the strongest idkj
peak escarp
Doomfist barely makes the top 5
dense birch
IKR
peak escarp
True, but these guys don’t seem to have built during the crisis. In fact, they a...
ohhh... I should have kept reading the novel
"They're creatures she's never seen before, these menacing monsters the omnium dreamed up in the dark. Tall, humanoid robots reinforced with superhuman strength and speed, heavily armed."
clear kestrel
it just occurred to me
I wonder what a playable null sector hero means for the PVE
not like
a defector or anything either it's the fucking leader of null sector
prisma silo
As hyped as I am, it’s not unlikely he’ll be disabled for the campaign
Unless there’s a hero story and a villain story, or something like that
ivory cove
Null-Sector are no longer that evil…but people are
Can’t wait for PVE WOOOW
clear kestrel
I could see him maybe taking part in any potential talon missions
since Talon and Null Sector are working together
ivory cove
So we finally understand conversation between him and Doomfist
Doom wants to help him to protect the Omnic race
By fighting
forest spoke
I'd say help isn't the correct word. He's gonna use him to start more fighting
clear kestrel
well with that in mind
my perspective has shifted a little
originally I thought the outcome would be Null Sector growing out of Akandes control
leading to an OW/Talon team up
but thinking back on it
I think it's gonna be the opposite
especially given the insight we've just been given on Ramattra as an individual
his goals being far more noble and understandable than Akandes
the more likely outcome in my eyes now is a ceasefire
and then both OW and Null Sector focusing on Talon
since they're the true threat
peak escarp
Akande/Talon is using Null Sector for their war
clear kestrel
exactly
which is why a ceasefire and a team up between OW and Null Sector is the most likely outcome for me
peak escarp
hm
clear kestrel
because whilst his methods are brutal and barbaric
Ramattra isn't
wrong
peak escarp
I don't think so
I can see Akande/Talon betraying them when they've outlived their usefulness though
clear kestrel
that's
what I'm saying
that leads to the team up
because Talon is the real threat at the end of the day
and I highly doubt this is gonna end with Null Sector just being wiped out either
peak escarp
I don't see them teaming up with Overwatch though
clear kestrel
I don't see why not
peak escarp
Null Sector might not get wiped out, but Ramattra will probably either be killed or arrested
effectively ending them
that's how the NS arc will end
clear kestrel
I don't see him being arrested or killed lol
he's not a super villain
he's a political figure head if anything
ivory cove
So the main evil thing is OW universe is Talon now?! since i personally have more symphony for Null-Sector now
ivory cove
it's a terrorist organization
OW done many bad thing to
ivory cove
Overwatch tries to do good
Tbh all problems are because of humans
Humans killed omnics
Humans demanded overwatch to be disbanded
peak escarp
and?
ivory cove
and?
Nothin
OW lore got a lot more darker that’s all
Can’t wait for PVE I hope it’s gotta be dark to
Ow world is so unique in many ways
ivory garnet
wouldnt say Talon is the “villain”
as
Doomslayer is fighting for a cause
it may have bad people tho
ivory cove
Every soldier has a cause
Daaaaamn
That makes a lot of sense
I don’t want PVE to be rushed
wise dragon
Doomfist wants a war to ravage both factions where only the strongest of mankind will survive and build the world anew, Ramattra wants to start a war for the survival of sentient Omnics. Ramattra needs resources, Doomfist has resources.
The goals align until either Ramattra gets too close to eliminating humanity or Ramattra finds out the truth about who ordered Mondatta’s assassination
peak escarp
I don't think he'd care that much about Mondatta's assassination
and it wasn't Doomfist that ordered it anyway
wise dragon
Considering he turned that way after his brethren died in front of his eyes in London, yeah he’d absolutely be pissed to find out Talon was involved
peak escarp
he disagreed with Mondatta's teaching and left the Shambali
he'd probably agree with assassinating Mondatta, since Mondatta wanted peace between humans and omnics
Ramattra knows there can be no peace, only war
wise dragon
He tried the path of peace, then figured out humans wouldn’t allow that
He was a monk by the teachings of the Shambali and the violence changed his views on the possibility of peace between races
peak escarp
he probably thought Mondatta was a fool
wise dragon
Probably, but also was probably clinging on to a bit of hope that perhaps humanity was changing
Then Mondatta dies and Null Sector prepares for war
There isn’t a case of Null Sector activities between the Uprising and the Zero Hour cinematic
Probably means something was holding Ramattra back from striking again, though it might just be as simple as not having the resources
Especially since Doomfist got arrested a few weeks after their meeting
peak escarp
this is what Jeff said about him back in 2019
he was biding his time, waiting for Doomfist to bust out to enact their plans
keen summit
Gwadeal our theories were coreect kinda wtf
wary grotto
which of the playable heroes are omnics? zenyatta, orisa, and the new tank surely are omnics.
what about echo and bastion? do we have other dps omnics?
wet spruce
I don't think so
grand wedge
Gwadeal our theories were coreect kinda wtf
Thank you!
And well done to you because your insight help me to wrap my head about some bits and it was amazing!
keen summit
So happy to have a significant character again
keen summit
And well done to you because your insight help me to wrap my head about some bit...
No worries i just love omnic stuff. He honestly has been a want for me since we saw him in storm rising
Im buying bp for him no doubt
Btw nice detail in origin story: hes depicted as heroic
cuz for omnics, he is a hero
grand wedge
Yeah I like that the origin stories are told in the POV of the character
Gavin asked a very important question on Twitter
ivory garnet
by me
grand wedge
I kinda want to say Anubis? But I hav a feeling that maybe I need to read Sojourn novel before theorising about it
keen summit
probs omniums created him for war
but so far even his gameplay sounds cool, switching between forms
grand wedge
But who specifically…
Because we know that Anubis was the rogue AI that started the war
But… the temple of Anubis wasn’t an omnium? Just a containing place I think?
I need to get my hands on the novel - to have more insight on the crisis
keen summit
i think its finite how many are sentient
omnics can be created, but not sentient ones
keen summit
But… the temple of Anubis wasn’t an omnium? Just a containing place I think?
it made other omniums get to work
not all omnics are sentient
orisa actually has seen the iris from what we know but she is programmed to be like this
so ramattra saw the sentient ones slowly die out
btw i hope that monk look will be a skin
also note in the gameplay stills he does have all that purple energy
btw he already has merch
grand wedge
omnics can be created, but not sentient ones
I need to reread Hero of Numbani because i forgot all about the lore of the OR15
dense cliff
ramattra is such a cool character, for once im like actually hyped for this lore reveal. he brings such an intersting perspective to the null sector omnics
keen summit
gwadael
i noticed this with the staff and some poses
he also has an orb, he did in the trailer aswell where while meditating he had an orb
grand wedge
yeah
grand wedge
I theorised about the different path Mondatta, Zenyatta, and Ramattra took each other
Mondatta was pure light. Ramattra pure chaos/darkness and Zen... is in between
the balance - the yin-yang
keen summit
some people say zen is good version and ram is bad version but i think its still ram is also part of him
keep in mind
ramattra wasnt sitting with the rest during meditation
sure u could say "shot compositioning" but you could make him sit in line and still have a good shot from different angle
keen summit
instead he was closest to mondatta
grand wedge
true
for a long time "discord" wasn't canon
but now...
how do they called the "energy" for Ramattra? "dissonnance"? i ned to check
keen summit
and once more as i said earlier yesterday, mondatta and ramattra both were activly trying to save omnics yet zen doesnt, he saves induviduals
grand wedge
yes
he make them reflect on themselves - finf their own path
Ram is forcing his own path to others
keen summit
which as a true monk is kinda the point
grand wedge
Mondatta was an utopist
keen summit
zen is probs the iris' harbringer at this point
mondatta believed in peacefull ways and spoke in a place where omnics were oppressed
grand wedge
If Zen doesn't transcend in lore - i'lll go feral
keen summit
Keep in mind mondatta was speaking as if its almost fixed
grand wedge
what is almost fixed?
keen summit
very calmly about how man and machine are the same while in a place were omnics were oppressed
just noticed while rewatching, look at those symbols
arent they... familiar
inland yoke
Ohh shit
keen summit
"before me i see the future, humans and omnics standing together, united by compassion." but in kings row there still was shit ton of oppression
grand wedge
arent they... familiar
of course, that's the shambali symbole - the iris probably
that we have in purple too
grand wedge
yup
was part of the clues
someone pointed out the "eye" of Sombra in her origin story
keen summit
i was sad that zen never mentioned him tho
keen summit
someone pointed out the "eye" of Sombra in her origin story
yeah that too, thats why i believe the iris is or a god program or a secret org
grand wedge
Still a lot of thing to unfold with Aurora, the Iris, and so much more
Need to read Sojourn novel
This is pretty exciting, because it's a very important lore point - Ramattra have been closed to Zen & Mondatta, him being the Null Sector Leader... after 3 years and a half, it's the best move they could have pulled
and the plot will move foward
tepid gust
ight bro i just saw the origin vid
who tf is he
they said we saw him beofre but i dont recoignize him
limpid oxide
they said we saw him beofre but i dont recoignize him
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tepid gust
in that one vid
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fresh hare
ok y'all, question: were omnics always finite and irreplaceable, or is that a retcon/lore change?
I like their choice of words for Ramattra as well, which are basically the 14 words that white supremacists use except swapped for omnics.
keen summit
ok y'all, question: were omnics always finite and irreplaceable, or is that a re...
Well most likely the sentient ones are finite
wanton kraken
ok y'all, question: were omnics always finite and irreplaceable, or is that a re...
i do think it was always like that but that there are omnics that arent sentient that you can just build and build
keen summit
The ones who were blessed with sentience cant be produced
wanton kraken
I like their choice of words for Ramattra as well, which are basically the 14 wo...
ohh which ones?
thats interesting
keen summit
So its not a retcon, tbh the sentient ones always seemed rare
fresh hare
Oh, so the sentient ones are finite, gotcha! Do we know how sentience first started in omnics? Was it random?
keen summit
Oh, so the sentient ones are finite, gotcha! Do we know how sentience first star...
We know not all omnics are sentient, so those who once were blessed by the iris is the theory are
We dont know the details
wanton kraken
Ahh okay, right, the iris
fresh hare
oh yeah Zen says "pass into the iris"
wanton kraken
The Iris is the subject of the Shambali faith. As preached by Tekhartha Mondatta prior to his assassination at the hands of Widowmaker, the Iris sees humans and machines as equals. The Shambali believe that all beings can ascend through the Iris and can be transformed into a higher state of being.
I'd guess that omnics aren't sure either why they became sentient
wanton kraken
As the iris is like a god to them
So the Iris is like God, yea
Just somethign to explain the unexplainable
fresh hare
I do wonder about Omnic naming schemes. Zenyatta and Mondatta are named after an album by The Police
dawn topaz
I do wonder about Omnic naming schemes. Zenyatta and Mondatta are named after an...
Uhm actually they are named after jojo characters 🤓 /s
fresh hare
He's not named after an album. I am scouring song lyrics to find a possible connection.
wanton kraken
Uhm actually they are named after jojo characters 🤓 /s
LOL
wanton kraken
He's not named after an album. I am scouring song lyrics to find a possible conn...
It would be pretty funny if it's all just songs they heard on the radio at some point
''I found this sick beat from the 90's, I'm going to name myself after it''
80's*
fresh hare
In sanskrit, "ramatra" means "dark defender"
wanton kraken
It's going to be really interesting lorewise to see his interactions with the others
Especially anyone involved in the war
fresh hare
I really want to see his interactions with Doomfist, Zenyatta and Bastion
sterile mortar
I love bastion voicelines
wanton kraken
I wonder if it'll be a nice interaction or a ''Why are you with THEM'' because Bastion and Torbjörn are friends
fresh hare
oh yeah isn't Torb a wee bit racist towards omnics?
wanton kraken
Yeah, Zarya too
worthy rose
When is the new hero releasing?)
limpid agate
December
limpid agate
Zero.
stiff socket
Damn alright
limpid agate
Orisa loves humans and Efi
Also unlike Ramatraa who is part of a finite generation
She was born a year ago
stiff socket
Hmm alright
stiff socket
Orisa loves humans and Efi
Also out of curiosity
who do you think are the top 5 strongest heroes in lore?
limpid agate
The contender for #1 is Winston, Sigma, Orisa, or Sym
Doomfist and Genji are also contenders for top 5
limpid agate
She can build kilometers of structures and defy physics in no time at all
She's similar to the Green Lantern
limpid agate
Yes
limpid agate
Its like Nirvana
desert yacht
The contender for #1 is Winston, Sigma, Orisa, or Sym
i think winston would be my pick
just because he is the only one proven
sigma and sym have extreme potential
but it's all theory right now
we know they can do a lot but the extent is too unproven
limpid agate
Orisa is half proven half potential
desert yacht
she contends winston for my #1 spot
i would just separate winston and orisa from sym and sigma
limpid agate
Ramatraa is also an unknown I won't rate yet
Until we see what he is capable of or even potentially capable of
All we know is he gets bigger
And being big didn't matter
See: Rein, Zarya, Roadhog
limpid agate
Doomfist and Genji are also contenders for top 5
Oh I missed DVa here
Those 7 are the contenders for top 5
worthy rose
Either Winston or Orisa
dull hornet
5.cw1
split granite
Rammatra is so cool
dawn topaz
She's similar to the Green Lantern
So can she beat ben 10?
dawn topaz
Rammatra is so cool
agreed
split granite
I can’t believe it took 6 years to get a null sector hero
keen stump
So can she beat ben 10?
symmetra? hell nah💀
clear kestrel
I'm really curious what his interactions with Widow are gonna be like
stiff socket
Sigma and Winston
Are the strongest characters I think
Sigma is just godlike because of his black holes
And Winston can make
Semi time machines
And can beat doomfist
dawn topaz
symmetra? hell nah💀
It's a joke about the green lantern vs ben 10 death battle
Where Green Lantern wins through bullshitting his way through time
keen stump
It's a joke about the green lantern vs ben 10 death battle
oh i was finna say😂
keen stump
Where Green Lantern wins through bullshitting his way through time
ye i remember that😂
limpid agate
I can’t believe it took 6 years to get a null sector hero
Null Sector was introduced 5 years ago, and this character was introduced 3 years ago
There was concept art of him as a hero early as BlizzCon 2019
dawn topaz
I can’t believe it took 6 years to get a null sector hero
Bastion and Orisa:
limpid agate
You can blame the 3 years of no heroes for that. He would have come out in early 2021 if we didn't have that
dawn topaz
I'm suprised there wasn't a plotpoint of bastion having to gather intel from null sector by disguising himself as one of theirs
limpid agate
That's because Bastion hasnt done anything yet
dawn topaz
exactly
limpid agate
No I mean
It hasnt met anyone who would require that job done
It was just found and upgraded by Torb
limpid agate
Null Sector also hasnt done anything since Torb took Bastion in
Until Zero Hour
Which is where OW2 starts
worthy rose
So can she beat ben 10?
Depends which alien Ben uses tbh
dawn topaz
💀
limpid agate
Bastion is confirmed to be in the campaign and implied to join Overwatch in Torb's stead
paper gazelle
Don't think so
limpid agate
no
paper gazelle
Sorry but I beg to disagree to a certain extent
broken moat
ramattra looks really interesting
even if the game is iffy with the overpriced store and stuff they still have a talent for character design
fresh hare
Wait Reaper does not make the top 5? He can teleport, turn incorporeal at will, harness life essence from enemies, summon weapons and is a trained elite soldier on top.
broken moat
Wait Reaper does not make the top 5? He can teleport, turn incorporeal at will, ...
reaper is definitely really strong but i feel like there are a good few better to prevent him being in the top five
worthy rose
Wait Reaper does not make the top 5? He can teleport, turn incorporeal at will, ...
Probably in top 5
I think he's equal to like Reinhardt
So they can share a spot somewhere
Definitely not 1 though since Primal Rage Winston made him run away in the museum
worthy rose
Reaper can't hurt him though
fresh hare
Also, the magic that the Japanese heroes use is hard to quantify. Hanzo can seemingly summon a weapon of mass destruction at will
worthy rose
Reinhardt tanks Bastion fire and tank rounds fine
Reaper has teleportation so Rein can't touch him though
fresh hare
Winston seems hard to quantify as well, as he seems to get vastly stronger whenever the lives of others are at stake.
broken moat
Reaper can't hurt him though
with the teleportation i feel like he could out maneuverer reins shield
worthy rose
Yeah but his armor has tanked tank rounds fine
Reaper would be hard pressed to beat him
broken moat
Winston seems hard to quantify as well, as he seems to get vastly stronger whene...
he was able to beat doomfist somehow when tracer got messed up
worthy rose
Primal Rage Winston is stronger than both Reaper and Doomfist
broken moat
so his power definitely varies a lot
worthy rose
Since he beat them both
worthy rose
so his power definitely varies a lot
Yeah his power is inconsistent
fresh hare
In that fight, Doomfist fought and defeated both Tracer and Genji seconds before, so it is safe to say he was weakened when facing down Winston.
mild fiber
That’s was after doom had already beaten genji and tracer at the same time
worthy rose
In that fight, Doomfist fought and defeated both Tracer and Genji seconds before...
He didn't even take any damage against them though how was he weakened?
fresh hare
He didn't even take any damage against them though how was he weakened?
He blocked shots from a gun and physically exerted himself during the fight.
broken moat
He blocked shots from a gun and physically exerted himself during the fight.
i wouldn't say thats why doomfist lost
worthy rose
I doubt he was that tired
broken moat
i think doomfist lost because he underestimated winston's primal rage
worthy rose
I don't think Doomfist is the type to underestimate people
Winston is still goat powerwise
shadow marsh
I doubt Doomfist will lose if they both have a rematch
worthy rose
Nah he will
broken moat
I doubt Doomfist will lose if they both have a rematch
if they have a rematch doomfist is beating the shit out of that gorilla
shadow marsh
I doubt Doomfist will lose if they both have a rematch
Did an oopsie
worthy rose
Primal Rage Winston has no sold grenades
fresh hare
He did punt Winston like 200 yards at the start of the fight.
worthy rose
Regular Winston is clearly weaker though
fresh hare
And he did not even bother putting on a shirt
worthy rose
Regular Winston got wrecked by Reaper. Primal Rage Winston no sold his attacks fine
fresh hare
From what I have seen, Primal Rage is not something Winston controls. He enters it when others are in danger.
worthy rose
Or when his glasses breaks
broken moat
From what I have seen, Primal Rage is not something Winston controls. He enters ...
it definitely does not seem like its on command
worthy rose
Which is bound to happen let's be honest
broken moat
its when his teammates are in serious danger or when he is really losing a fight
fresh hare
"Fuck, I am American, that's another $500 down the drain..."
shadow marsh
Yeah Primal Rage Winston is inconsistent
Just remembered he activated it without being angry in the Recall short
worthy rose
Primal Rage Winston got few shotted by Reaper in Recall but in the museum he no sold his shit. His power fluctuates really
At high ends though Winston is unbeatable
Jobbing Winston sucks donkey nuts
broken moat
who do you think the most powerful character in overwatch is?
shadow marsh
The thing about Winston is he's still an animal
fresh hare
What do we know about Doomfist? Presumably, he is a regular person who works out, is a criminal mastermind and has cybernetics.
broken moat
What do we know about Doomfist? Presumably, he is a regular person who works out...
doomfist is meant to be legendary
broken moat
but i think sigma is a runner up for most powerful
fresh hare
But he's just a dude, right? No superpowers, no Japanese magic, just training and some technology?
broken moat
But he's just a dude, right? No superpowers, no Japanese magic, just training an...
pretty much
fresh hare
I think in terms of non-combat power, Sigma and Sym are the most powerful, followed by Mercy.
broken moat
they make him powerful but i think his true strength is how he learns
he is a smart cookie
fresh hare
I think his true power is his connections and planning
broken moat
I think in terms of non-combat power, Sigma and Sym are the most powerful, follo...
sigma can literally control gravity
limpid agate
Not literally
We don't literally know what he does
They're really vague about it
It seems like he can manipulate gravity or singularities
But to repeat what was said earlier. The only contenders for the most powerful hero are Winston, Orisa, Sigma, and Symmetra.
Winston is the strongest physically and also a huge mary sue
fresh hare
"Non-combat power" as in, real world application of abilities to influence your environment.
E.g. Sym has hardlight construction which is really useful, Mercy has advantaged medical technology that can resurrect the dead, Sigma and Moira have their respective technology.
limpid agate
Orisa is the most durable physically and was plenty powerful before she was upgraded
Sigma is an enigma
fresh hare
Why do you rank Orisa that high?
limpid agate
And Symmetra's limits are never explored, but every piece of lore or story we get makes her seem even more unbalanced
broken moat
Symettra's hardlight is crazy
fresh hare
Do we know if Orisa is
A) sapient
B) Not dependent on external maintenance?
limpid agate
She is powerful physically (can destroy a bus by just standing in front of it, can handle Doomfist) and has flexible hard light tech. And that was before Efi upgraded her and before Lucio supplied better tools to upgrade her with
Yes Orisa is sapient
She is also dependant on Efi
She can't self repair like Bastion
fresh hare
Ah gotcha
limpid agate
"Non-combat power" as in, real world application of abilities to influence your ...
Mercy cannot resurrect the dead.
This is Rez
Going by that description, the most powerful in non-combat power are Symmetra and Sombra.
fresh hare
Didn't she bring Reaper back from the dead, which is why he is the way he is?
limpid agate
No
That was never true
That was a shitty theory based on fake voice lines from 2016 that Blizzard has been actively debunking since
Reaper never died
fresh hare
I thought he has his superpowers cause he got mortally wounded by 76 and then experimental treatment.
limpid agate
No
Reaper was genetically altered in the Soldier Enhancement Program 30 years ago which gave him part of his powers
Moira amplified them when he recruited her into Blackwatch
And then even more after the Swiss HQ Incident
Code of Violence goes into more detail about Reaper's state
broken moat
i really though reaper was killed or mortally wounded at least
limpid agate
No
fresh hare
Yeah I thought the same
broken moat
even zenyatta has a voiceline talking about how he is wasting his second chance at life
fresh hare
TIL
broken moat
he blew up with soldier 76
limpid agate
No
broken moat
i am reading this off the wiki
limpid agate
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limpid agate
Read Code of Violence
fresh hare
So basically, he had his powers from the soldier program already, which allowed him to survive Switzerland?
broken moat
i am reading this off the wiki
is the wiki outdated or something?
dense nebula
I am in awe at the size of this lad 
limpid agate
I guess "he blew up with soldier 76" isn't an incorrect way of phrasing it, but
Its misleading
paper gazelle
I believe he had genetic manipulations by Moira prior to Switzerland
limpid agate
headquarters to shrapnel. The last things he remembered were the flash of
ignition, a terrible moment of searing heat, and Jack’s eyes, wide with horror.
Then . . . impenetrable darkness.```Yeah
broken moat
I am in awe at the size of this lad <:PogChimp:315820550662651904>
god damn
limpid agate
He was in an explosion, and Jack was there
broken moat
what a unit
limpid agate
And he came out of it scarred
fresh hare
Apparently he can shapeshift between two sizes?
limpid agate
We dont know how Ramattra works but that is what he does in game
broken moat
he has four arms when he is a large fellow
desert yacht
I don't think Doomfist is the type to underestimate people
he absolutely did
fresh hare
Sometimes you want a more manageable hitbox
desert yacht
you saw how tactical he was in taking down tracer and genji
paper gazelle
I am in awe at the size of this lad <:PogChimp:315820550662651904>
Ngl that looked like Robotic Mauga to me LOL
broken moat
We dont know how Ramattra works but that is what he does in game
in the cinematic you can see his arms are much larger when he is holding the dead omnics
compared to his arms when meditating
desert yacht
he only goes for the head to head collision against winston if he thinks he can beat winston
he underestimated him and lost
instead of approaching the battle with winston from a better tactical standpoint
broken moat
though i could be wrong since his shoulders are being covered by some monkish garb
paper gazelle
broken moat
he underestimated him and lost
thats what i was thinking
he under estimated the primal rage
desert yacht
that would be the in universe reason anyways
fresh hare
tbf, would you take someone seriously who you just punted 200 yards?
desert yacht
the actual reason is that they needed doomfist to lose that fight for plot reasons
so he made an out of character decision
limpid agate
Winston is also a Mary Sue
desert yacht
that as well
Winston turns everyone into a jobber
but that is okay because he is winston
❤️
dawn topaz
Wait so omnics have actual eyes
limpid agate
That's not new
broken moat
Btw 🤦♂️
https://twitter.com/OWsunshine/status/1588712006827540481?t=Bqm1dNTiTB...
its so easy to realise its not zenyatta but there are so many people in the comments sad about zens apparent death
dense nebula
Winston is also a Mary Sue
Isn’t the male equivalent called Gary Stu?
dawn topaz
I thought their weird glowing lights on their head would be used for sight since movie posters in hollywood depict omnics with eyelashes there
limpid agate
Wait so omnics have actual eyes
dawn topaz
huh, neat
broken moat
i do wonder what purpose the thin eye slots serve
limpid agate
The eye slots are so they can see
worthy rose
.....so they can see?
dawn topaz
Well what's with the headlights then
broken moat
the faceplate
worthy rose
not if the mask has no holes
limpid agate
We dont know what the purpose of the lights are
worthy rose
like a knights helmet you know?
paper gazelle
its so easy to realise its not zenyatta but there are so many people in the comm...
Yeah man... ig they lack critical thinking and/or require additional context
limpid agate
The "eye" or "camera" or however you want to think about it is located behind those eye slits
dawn topaz
I thought they had pokemon regi trio eyes
limpid agate
No
dense nebula
So apparently his two forms are called “Omnic form” and “Nemesis form”
fresh hare
I always thought the nine holes on top are decorative, like the way Buddhist monks have tattoos
limpid agate
That's just the name, both forms are Omnic FOrm
The base form looks like the common omnics we are familiar with
He doesnt turn into something that isnt an omnic, he's still an omnic
limpid agate
Its his shift
normal steppe
crazy that all of you got the wrong tank...
W character W monk L zenyatta
dense nebula
Its his shift
Have they shown off his gameplay then?
limpid agate
Yes
dense nebula
Bruh
I’m over here translating an article from Indonesia
When I could’ve just watched his gameplay
normal steppe
L humans W omnics
dawn topaz
That's just the name, both forms are Omnic FOrm
I still find it weird that the females on a movie poster have eyelashes on them
fresh hare
interesting, no amor or shield in base form
worthy rose
wonder if he restores health when transforming
because that's 1000 something effective HP
actually even more really because he has all that armor
dawn topaz
Nemesis Form
So...it seems like he'd have a similiar block to doomfist
aswell as a barrier/shield
and that weird AoE field
dense nebula
Mf over here casting wizard spells
worthy rose
looks more like kinetic grasp honestly
assuming this and the shield ability are the same?
limpid agate
Thats just a punch
dense nebula
Yeah, he has infinite fist in big boi mode
dawn topaz
oh yeah he just gets a second pair of arms
dense nebula
Man becomes his own Jojo stand
limpid agate
Probably a design inspiration
limpid agate
Its literally just Star Platinum
dawn topaz
Against?
fresh hare
Omnics
dense nebula
You realize that’s a spoof on Jojo naming right?
They use rock band names as character names
dawn topaz
yes
limpid agate
If you wanted to spoof it pick a fitting name like Motorhead
worthy rose
Welcome to the Machine
dense nebula
If you wanted to spoof it pick a fitting name like Motorhead
Tru
Hell since he’s religious
We could also do Metal Church
limpid agate
Either way
We have to wait and see how it works in the story
All we know is that he is an engineer and created the Nemesis form himself
broken moat
he is the leader of null sector right?
fresh hare
He was designed to lead other omnics in battle, and in videogames, people lead from the front cause it's cooler
dense nebula
Yes
broken moat
he has to be on par with doomfist
celest stream
What is Winston's favourite joke about the periodic table
broken moat
if not stronger
dense nebula
What is Winston's favourite joke about the periodic table
If a king passes wind
Does that make it a Noble Gas
Wait
I think I fucked it up
No I didn’t
limpid agate
he is the leader of null sector right?
Yes.
magic root
Why can't omnics create new omnics? They are sentient, they can acquire knowledge, why can't they make more of themselves?
Cause the new hero origin story implies that there is only one generation of omnics.
fresh hare
Only one generation from Ramattra's point of view
Orisa is younger and apparently a sentient omnic
limpid agate
Why can't omnics create new omnics? They are sentient, they can acquire knowledg...
Don't know
Can't answer that
It goes against what we previously thought
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
I gotta reread some old Orisa story
I swear there was mention of the OR15s being made from the Nigerian Omnium
Originally put into service before the Omnic Crisis, the OR14 "Idina" line of security robots was built in Nigeria's massive manufacturing omnium. After the war, they were taken out of production, along with many of the other models used during the crisis. Twenty years later, Numbani revived and recommissioned the OR14 program to protect the city from external threats. These new OR15s were deployed for a short time before they were destroyed in an attack by Doomfist.
This was in her bio.
The word program implied that what was recomissioned was the project of building them in the omnium
Not the machines themselves
Hmm, I guess reading this now
They were built out of old unsold cars
So Orisa's shell would have been built decades ago, and their vague wording just didnt clear things up maybe?
I'll have to reread the novel
magic root
I see. Too much details which I can't process yet.
stoic marlin
Overwatch said we have seen the new hero before. Where have we seen him?? Never seen him in my life
limpid agate
Storm Rising
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2VOkcXh
At the end
Aaand its a dead link again
Oh that's my fault
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2MLHkEU
Skimming through the novel
Its implied the OR14 and OR15 are two different things rather than being rebuilt from the OR14s
But its never explicitly stated
sharp trench
they’re probably similar bc the tooling in the Omniums was meant for OR14s, and the design process should be a lot easier than a whole new omnic
keen summit
Why can't omnics create new omnics? They are sentient, they can acquire knowledg...
I believe he meant not omnics are limited but sentient ones
grand wedge
It’s Anubis who made the Ramattra line of robot btw ( at the surprise of no one)
karmic turret
I miss temple of Anubis
keen summit
imagine his interactions with the junkers
dense nebula
I like how Rama has a more Shepard look
Like a Moses type figure, whereas Zen is more singular, acting as a wandering teacher
It adds to the foil between the two
worthy rose
Ramattra split the red sea canon
dense nebula
Well he definitely split something
But yeah
To organize my thoughts
Ramattra is a Shepard leading his flock (the Omnics) in order to lead them to a better life. Whereas Zenyatta is a teacher who focuses mainly on a singular individual at a time (Genji) and improves them by helping them expand their world view
Ramattra believes in bettering his people by bringing war to those he believes wronged his kind, and Zenyatta takes a peaceful approach and gives all an opportunity to improve themselves through his teachings
grizzled crystal
now he needs an epic theme music
aight imagine ramttra with this
this is magnetos theme from xmen movies
dense nebula
Anything would be better than Kiriko’s theme
worthy rose
I need healing
dreamy epoch
kiriko's "theme"
keen summit
Why can't omnics create new omnics? They are sentient, they can acquire knowledg...
alright i listened again, i think its quite obvious it isnt jus tall omnics, its the ones with sentience, he says its a miracle his kind even exists, he said that they study and meditate. these are all parts of the sentient ones not all omnics
split granite
I need healing
This actually got me giggling
split granite
How are they finite?
She was rebuilt from a bunch of destroyed omnics
Or-15s to be exact
keen summit
- im not sure if he means omnics in general are finite as in pve we saw more being made
he probs means his kind, so the sentient ones
magic root
So if all sentient omnics are killed, there won't be any more issues?
Since nobody would be sentient to rise up?
Or I guess there are human interests involved like doomfist
So the society will always be in war
We'll always keep needing heroes
The story will go on forever
drifting viper
New hero looks cool
His interactions with zenyatta will be interesting
And bastion
iron gorge
Is Ramattra's name based on a song or something?
Since Zenyatta and Mondatta are based off of an album of the Police
iron osprey
Yeah I guess sentient omnics are finite because omnics were never supposed to be sentient and it was an accident they don’t know how to replicate
keen summit
So if all sentient omnics are killed, there won't be any more issues?
thing is not all sentient omnics are bad, so that would be immoral
rotund ermine
Lmao
peak escarp
hmm
magic root
I was speaking hypothetically
peak escarp
everyone likes to discuss how Ramattra would react to Mondatta's death
I'd rather know how Ramattra would react to learning that Reaper is Gabriel Reyes, leader of Overwatch during the crisis and killer of millions of omnics
magic root
But why is widowmaker a bad guy? She's the victim.
magic root
That's cause she was brainwashed
magic root
It's the same
magic root
Conditioning is like gaslighting someone to believe something
magic root
Yeah that broke her
So you can't blame her
She's doing this cause she's broken, she's not herself
peak escarp
brainwashing makes someone believe a different ideology
conditioning makes someone adopt new behaviours to avoid punishment
peak escarp
even if they are able to reverse the conditioning, she still killed a lot of people
she'd be locked up, either in prison or some kind of rehab
peak escarp
she doesn't want redemption
magic root
Overwatch clearly has "at any cost", otherwise they would not experiment on genji just to take control of kanezaka
peak escarp
if they revert the conditioning, she'd go back to being Amelie
peak escarp
Overwatch clearly has "at any cost", otherwise they would not experiment on genj...
that was old Overwatch
magic root
But the members were the same
peak escarp
new Overwatch doesn't have the resources for something like that
magic root
Mercy did it
peak escarp
old Overwatch had scientists
magic root
She's no better in that regard
magic root
Ah
But still I feel bad for her, (widow). She's got one of the saddest origin story. She deserves to find peace.
For the conditioning to work, she had had to have loved her husband that much.
surreal knot
But still I feel bad for her, (widow). She's got one of the saddest origin story...
Who do you think has the saddest then?
magic root
Idk it's probably her for now.
Mei had some shocking stuff, but she was still herself.
surreal knot
I feel that Genji's was quite sad
drifting viper
I agree
magic root
Genji was on my mind
magic root
Hanzo and genji still found their peace
In knowing that they can see each other again.
It is shown in the ending of the animation
dense nebula
@peak escarp how prominent do you think Ramattra will be in both the lore and PvE?
peak escarp
very
dense nebula
Cause I’m already seeing a Shepard motif with him
surreal knot
What about Hamond? I mean, It's quite sad that Winston forgot about him.
peak escarp
he's our secondary antagonist, next to Doomfist
dense nebula
He is the perfect foil imo to Zen
peak escarp
I believe the devs said he'll appear in the PvE as a boss
maybe the final boss of the arc
drifting viper
What about Hamond? I mean, It's quite sad that Winston forgot about him.
Winstons is sadder
dense nebula
I hope that Null Sector and Talon get some wins in the PvE
Cause I don’t like when the heroes steam roll everything
drifting viper
Since dr winston died
dense nebula
Makes it look like there’s no real threat
surreal knot
true
past copper
Certainly looks like a massive game changer no cap
drifting viper
Certainly looks like a massive game changer no cap
Doomfist
dense nebula
Why is reaper evil
He’s less pure evil, and more “righteous side of Hell”
Whereas Jack is more “Wrong Side of Heaven”
Yes I stole that from FFDP
drifting viper
But why is he a villian
dense nebula
Because he’s a terrorist
dense nebula
Yes I’m aware of my contradiction
surreal knot
Why did he choose to be one
Cos Moira turned him into a monster
past copper
I think this is 100% legit. I’m in no position to think otherwise right now
Basically, seems like Ramattra is gonna be a mix of Bastion, Doomfist, and a little bit of Zenyatta
Also, I honestly didn’t notice it, but he actually gains a larger body somehow. Guess we’ll have to see how that ability works in game next month
past copper
Also we’ve got an emote and victory stance from what I can guess
dense nebula
If I had to guess, top right and bottom left are highlight intros
past copper
I rather like his meditation. Looks way cooler than Zen’s actually
dense nebula
Top left is either an emote or victory pose
past copper
I just figured top right was like gameplay being showed off but I guess it can be an intro too
Lol people are already being diverse over his ability countering Pharah and Echo yet haven’t seen it in action yet to judge
digital forum
Wait so why did the omnic crisis happened in the first place
The shambali and Aurora came after right?
peak escarp
yes they came after
we don't know why the crisis happened
even in-universe they don't know
Aurora was created before the crisis, but her transcendance happened after
half wedge
Anubis started the omnic crisis
peak escarp
yeah
half wedge
Read her origin story
fathom oxide
does anyone know how the omnics came into existence? Or is it still a mystery and they have a religion where they believe it’s the Iris that created them
fathom oxide
So by humans then
peak escarp
yes
they don't believe the Iris created them
the Iris is a state of being, like Nirvana
fathom oxide
Oh that’s makes sense I thought the iris was thier god or something
dense nebula
Is it bad that I want Ramattra to have more religious connotations in his dialogue?
Given he’s already got the Shepard motif going on?
fathom oxide
wait what’s stopping omnics from making other omnics then? Why does Ramattra say there’s only one generation
peak escarp
because omnics were made in omniums
and all the omniums were either destroyed or are controlled by hostile forces
dusk trench
Really?
That explains his remark on how finite Omnics are
I never knew this beforehand I just thought they knew how to make each other
I wanted Mauga but I’m a sucker for playable Omnics
peak escarp
it's also possible he's referring to the sentient omnics, those who were active when Aurora transcended
and it's still possible to make omnics they just aren't sentient
dusk trench
Ah that makes sense
dusk trench
It’s just crazy to me how far back they tease characters too
Ramattra was teased all the way back in 2019 from the Storm Rising ending cutscene
limpid agate
The hero would have normally released in Spring 2021
So that would have been only 2 years later
peak escarp
Echo appeared in the very first cinematic for Overwatch
limpid agate
Sojourn was in Recall
Junkerqueen since 2017.
Kiriko we never physically saw, but she existed since Kanezaka dropped in 2021, and we heard of her concept art back in 2019
solar sedge
So that would have been only 2 years later
2 years is still very early to tease a hero
i think
peak escarp
the longest time between first appearance and being added to the game belongs to Sojourn
who was first seen in Recall in 2016 and was added to the live game in 2022
6 years
dusk trench
Junkerqueen was teased in 2017?
peak escarp
when the Junkertown map was added
dusk trench
Oh yeah I forgot how prevalent her name is
peak escarp
where was she in recall?
dusk trench
That’s insane
peak escarp
they've been planning her for a long time
solar sedge
she’s a nice hero gameplay wise
idk her lore much
she was mostly a reliable right hand man right
ivory garnet
yeah, and one of the first members of overwatch pretty sure
solar sedge
sound guy
ivory garnet
?