#lore-discussion
peak escarp
Sigma does not have any specific mental illness, just trauma from exposure to a black hole
bitter kite
“Soldier: 76: Snap out of it, old man. Talon is using you.
Sigma: An ant on the ceiling! Where are you going, little friend!
Soldier: 76: Hey, I'm talking to you!
Sigma: Oh, there's another one. Such delightful creatures.”
Sigma has completely lost it
noble pendant
If the game isn't cannon and he's being used as a living weapon it might be possible that he's used as defence for a base (like he's told to lock down an area in 0 gravity), a power source for something or maybe just a trump card to pull out. Who knows maybe he's essential in causing the conflicts that Talon profits off of.
peak escarp
his only lore appearance outside of his origin story was in Code of Violence, where he was being stolen out of a government facility by Reaper/Sombra
noble pendant
“Soldier: 76: Snap out of it, old man. Talon is using you.
Sigma: An ant on the ...
Maybe lost it, but pretty hard to lock it down to a specific illness
bitter kite
True, definitely a combination of multiple
One thing for sure though is sigma is “willingly” working for talon and has no idea what talon’s real goal is
peak escarp
they give him everything he needs, why would he question it?
bitter kite
“Baptiste: You're strong enough to leave Talon. They can't trap you!
Sigma: But I am not trapped! My colleagues give me everything I need!
Baptiste: I thought the same thing for too long.”
peak escarp
exactly
I'd like to see Overwatch rescue Sigma
maybe with a little inside help from his friend Sombra
noble pendant
I wonder how much of Talon wants to make money, how much dont know the true goals and how much are true Talon bad guys
Like the percentages
peak escarp
I think at the grunt level, it's just a job to them
earnest hemlock
Who are the two most powerful heroes in lore? I said Sig and Doom
peak escarp
like Baptiste was just in it for money
noble pendant
like Baptiste was just in it for money
Like a highly organized bank job
Are the grunts criminals?
peak escarp
Who are the two most powerful heroes in lore? I said Sig and Doom
Sigma and Symmetra, although we don't know their limits, then Winston, Orisa and Doom
noble pendant
People with military background?
noble pendant
I'd say Sym has no limits, her limit is her imagination
noble pendant
Who are the two most powerful heroes in lore? I said Sig and Doom
I'd say Sym and Sombra
peak escarp
but even among the council, there's some who are just in it for money - like Vialli and Maximilien
noble pendant
my friend says that genji would whoop sym
In lore??? Really?
peak escarp
nah Symm would win easy
earnest hemlock
In lore??? Really?
yeah
peak escarp
can't deflect/dodge beams
noble pendant
Genji is a highly trained warrior, sure, but you can't deflect hardlight
peak escarp
and Symmetra is a trained operative too
noble pendant
and Symmetra is a trained operative too
I thought you said she sat in an offshore lab?
peak escarp
we see Symmetra go on a mission to gather intel in the comic A Better World
bitter kite
my friend says that genji would whoop sym
In lore? Yes. A cyber dragon ninja Vs scientist
earnest hemlock
my friend is going bonkers idfk
peak escarp
the only thing she has in common with Sigma is that she doesn't know what her boss is up to
noble pendant
the only thing she has in common with Sigma is that she doesn't know what her bo...
Ah makes sense
noble pendant
my friend is going bonkers idfk
He's gotta be talking about in-game or maybe an AI tournament he simulated
peak escarp
she even says she doesn't kill unless she has to, implying that she has killed before
noble pendant
she even says she doesn't kill unless she has to, implying that she has killed b...
And capable of doing it easily from these panels
earnest hemlock
He's gotta be talking about in-game or maybe an AI tournament he simulated
nope hes not 
noble pendant
Sigma and Symmetra, although we don't know their limits, then Winston, Orisa and...
Why Winston and Orisa?
peak escarp
because Winston beat Doomfist in a fight once already, and Orisa was built to counter Doomfist
dawn topaz
And look how that turned out
noble pendant
because Winston beat Doomfist in a fight once already, and Orisa was built to co...
Hmm you got a point
noble pendant
And look how that turned out
Numbani is safe... For now
dawn topaz
Fair enough
noble pendant
It was the OR15 security bots that got doomed
dawn topaz
Who are the two most powerful heroes in lore? I said Sig and Doom
I'd say rein and genji are up there
also hanzo
Especially young rein
careless, but would put up a good fight against winston
alpine pawn
hanzo has a bow and maybe dragons but thats just like having a rocket launcher
rein tho hes not even close lol
dawn topaz
I mean do we really know the full strength of the dragons?...plus they are magic and shit
alpine pawn
yeah fair but rein is defo just as strong as any knight
dawn topaz
And Rein in his prime was able to take on an bastion army on his own. His weakness is mostly just his cockiness
peak escarp
Orisa already chased Doomfist off once in Hero of Numbani... with Lucio's help
noble pendant
I mean do we really know the full strength of the dragons?...plus they are magic...
With that logic Zen is the most powerful cause he's litterally Buddha
alpine pawn
And Rein in his prime was able to take on an bastion army on his own. His weakne...
he never did that he fought one with his own army and retreated
dawn topaz
Rein was having a field day with the bastions and was killing hundreds of them without breaking a sweat
alpine pawn
heck they were forced to retreat by the first model of orisa
dawn topaz
it was when the or14 units showed up that he had to retreat
noble pendant
it was when the or14 units showed up that he had to retreat
Pretty sure he's on about the Bastion short, but you're right it was with an army of his own
Also that wasn't confirmed that it was Reinhardt
And that it was E54 units, might have been an earlier version
alpine pawn
Rein was having a field day with the bastions and was killing hundreds of them w...
yeah like every other knight bastions were better than human foot soldiers but were still the omnic canon foder
dawn topaz
A Bastion unit is no joke, this is made very clear in the bastion short and the torb comic
alpine pawn
we can see in the bastion cinematic they falled by the dozen against anyone with knight armor
alpine pawn
eh but those knight armors lose against the omnic or14 and doomfist defeated a bunch of or15 and orisa chased doom so
dawn topaz
Do they though? The armors tank the shots easily and in the end it was rein thinking he's a hot shot that caused balderich or whatever he's called's death
and yeah, the sword may be a problem
but at the same time I don't think doomfist could tank a laser sword to the chest
alpine pawn
yeah but if you pay attention one of them just jumps over a knight in the background and squashes them like a bug
dawn topaz
Jesus, fr?
alpine pawn
yeah
i suspect 0r14 were actually more scary than 0r15 but efi must fitted orisa with a lot of improvements
shes one of the smartest humans of her time and has acces to one of the most technologically advance cities
dawn topaz
yeah Or14 had laser swords
And Null Sector removed them and replaced them with the barrier
alpine pawn
must been for production costs, null sector usually does replacable stuff that they can swarm with probably to compensate for not having as many omniums
lapis jetty
must been for production costs, null sector usually does replacable stuff that t...
Makes sense
pulsar girder
this chat full of nerds
past osprey
grand wedge
In the pined messages ( or the media page on the official website)
pulsar girder
what a waste of money
grave jasper
yall hear that?
peak escarp
Mauga or the Null Null Sector Leader are the top 2 contenders
dawn topaz
Mama Hong
peak escarp
no
dawn topaz
But in all seriousness I would love to get the project titan concept characters as skins or maybe as their own heroes someday
Phreak could be tweaked into a junkertown healer
dense nebula
Mauga or the Null Null Sector Leader are the top 2 contenders
Not Sanjay?
zenith ridge
Who is Sanjay?
fathom oxide
Not Sanjay?
Mauga fs since it’s gonna be a tank
dawn topaz
bruh sanjay looks like a normal mf
dawn topaz
Since when
dawn topaz
roadhog I could see it
Hanzo also, but alot less and I think I am mainly being taken by the hanzo x cassidy ship propaganda
but Genji?
No...
fathom oxide
Hanzo and genji are gay
??? No theyre not
vagrant nymph
Shush
vagrant nymph
but Genji?
Idk I feel like it
fathom oxide
Road hog isn’t either bruh 💀
vagrant nymph
Hum
dawn topaz
He could be though
dawn topaz
Idk I feel like it
You should stop reading so many genji x hanzo fanfics
fathom oxide
You should stop reading so many genji x hanzo fanfics
They are brothers 💀💀💀
dawn topaz
I'm suprised tracer doesn't have a skin from back when she was training with blackwatch genji
neon shell
Yeah hanzo Fsfs gay bros nipple just out there
dawn topaz
not anymore
dawn topaz
he covered his chest in ow 2 😭
vagrant nymph
That's why I use ow 1 skin 💋
dawn topaz
All ow1 skins are better
vagrant nymph
Zenyatta is asexual
vagrant nymph
Zenyatta is just chilling here
And kicking with his feet
Junkers queen is not straight
Tracer looks very british
dawn topaz
tracer is lesbian
vagrant nymph
And very british
dawn topaz
and widow is totally lesbian (she hates men)
dawn topaz
Well she's actually a widowmaker
dense nebula
She had a husband you know
dawn topaz
so she not only is a widow herself, but she also kills other men and thus, reproduces by turning more women into widows
vagrant nymph
so she not only is a widow herself, but she also kills other men and thus, repro...
And she's french like me💅🏼
dense nebula
My condolences
dawn topaz
(Do not post the pure white flag Do not post the pure white flag Do not post the pure white flag)
vagrant nymph
But it sounds so forced to hear her speaking in french cus it doesn't sound natural
dawn topaz
Personne chappe mon regardé
vagrant nymph
(Do not post the pure white flag Do not post the pure white flag Do not post the...
(Do not show free healthcare)
vagrant nymph
Personne chappe mon regardé
Personne n'échappe à mon regard
dawn topaz
Thank god I ain't american
vagrant nymph
Whos typing....
dense nebula
Tu Mater
vagrant nymph
Yeah, I failed french class
C'est pas bien
dense nebula
The name doesn’t make sense now cause I changed my pfp
vagrant nymph
Widow say No one escape from my sight
dawn topaz
C'est pas bien
Uhh, yeah I know that it's not good
vagrant nymph
The name doesn’t make sense now cause I changed my pfp
Roadhog is hispanic 😱
dense nebula
Roadhog is hispanic 😱
Bruh
vagrant nymph
Oh wait u changed again
vagrant nymph
Oh
dense nebula
Where tf did you get Hispanic
vagrant nymph
I thought it was the puppet from yk this show with the puppet maria
And the translator
dawn topaz
Roadhog is australian
dense nebula
Kiwi actually
vagrant nymph
His bellybutton is hella big
dense nebula
He’s from New Zealand
dawn topaz
That's not real
dense nebula
Hence why he has those Islander and Toa skins
vagrant nymph
He might be the only ow character with unrealistic bodyshape
dawn topaz
If New Zealand were real then Old Zealand would have to be too
dawn topaz
He might be the only ow character with unrealistic bodyshape
reinhardt
he is a midget
vagrant nymph
Lemme see
dawn topaz
I can't imagine him outside of the suit being a tiny man
vagrant nymph
He looks kinda buff but only has a big armor
dense nebula
Rein is like 6’7 out of the armor
vagrant nymph
Yeah
dawn topaz
He still looks unnatural outside of the armor
dense nebula
Mfw he has Hollywood muscles and not real muscle smh
vagrant nymph
Yuh
dense nebula
Well that’s real muscle
The kind that lifts weights like Zarya
Which, fun fact, her record isn’t even achievable irl
dense nebula
Even further proof that that record shouldn’t be possible
Not even the World’s Strongest Man could lift that sort of weight irl iirc
dawn topaz
lucio is straight
he has a love hate relationship with sym
100%
same with soldier and reaper
whole cedar
Not even the World’s Strongest Man could lift that sort of weight irl iirc
Shes russian its so easy for her
dense nebula
Shes russian its so easy for her
What does this imply smh 
whole cedar
What does this imply smh <:MercyWhy:232823428590206977>
Russians are really strong (especially eussian woman zoo wee mama)
limpid agate
The only things we know is:
Not explicitly said, but Straight: Ana, Widowmaker, Reaper, Torbjorn, Ana
Teased Straight: Genji, Mercy
Gay: Soldier 76
Lesbian: Tracer
dense nebula
Junkrat: Junkrat
viral obsidian
What do the symbols and writing mean, on Kirito’s healing ofuda on her witch skin?
dense nebula
Idk
All I know is her very existence is a retcon to lore
And I’ll always hate her for existing
iron gorge
What do the symbols and writing mean, on Kirito’s healing ofuda on her witch ski...
i know this one
wait a sec
the 8-pointed star one has a lot of alchemy and astrology symbols
u can see the symbol of venus, sagittarius and quincunx on it
the red symbol in the middle is sun
grim pawn
i finished reading the hero of numbani
it was good 
im surprised just how many of orisa's interactions reference it
i wonder how many people are out of the loop when they hear it
iron gorge
the 8-pointed star itself symbolises venus in Mesopotamian culture
which is called the star of ishtar
the second ofuda's upper part is actually written in the cirth alphabet made by j.r.r.tolkien
the bottom part is written with masonic words of freemasonry
the edge decorations of the ofudas is also in masonic words
which says "witch card cirico sigil witch card"
(there's no letter K in the alphabet so it's replaced by C)
the second ofuda's bottom part is the poem "summer magic" by Leslie Pinckney Hill in masonry words
yea thats about it
peak escarp
Head of Vishkar
Sanjay isn't the head of Vishkar
we don't know his title/position, but he seems more like middle management
dawn topaz
Sigma: How does this omnic defy gravity? No repulsors are to be detected!
Zenyatta: I owe my gifts to the Iris.
Sigma: Oh, the Iris, of course! We've met.
Zenyatta: How... fortunate for you.
Yet people only now act like the made up "no magic" rule was broken with kiriko
Anyways I'm gonna go read some of the comics
And
I already have questions...
limpid agate
That's... Not it.
We've seen things float without visible repulsors in the past, so Zen was nothing special.
And "Iris Magic" isnt a thing
The Iris is like Nirvana
dawn topaz
Fair enough, I guess...?
But anyways.
In Tracer-London calls, Tracer removes her stabilizer thingy when she gets home to emily and I have to know
limpid agate
She just needs to be near it
dawn topaz
alright
limpid agate
Its also worth mentioning that in the past:
- We were given the word "Omnic Energies" to explain Zen's powers, albeit never given further explanation
- Discord was explicitly stated to be non-canon
- Transcendence was shown to be not something he can do. Symmetra simulated it with Hard Light in the short story Stone by Stone (Also another example of floating with no repulsors that is not magic)
And Hanzo's spirit dragons appeared and behaved similar to Symmetra's orbs
And were also explicitly stated to not be magic
That's no longer true.
dawn topaz
Wasn't that retconned, yeah
dawn topaz
So Dragons and foxes are magic now
limpid agate
Hence, the whole "no magic" rule was retconned by Kiriko's addition
dawn topaz
No big deal, I honestly think that the previous dragon explanations were just asspulls but whatever.
limpid agate
Not really. They were identical in all but appearance
And even then
Hard light is malleable, and they're the same colour and transparency
dawn topaz
I doubt the overwatch team put that much thought into it tbh
The thought process was probably just: big cool dragon
worthy rose
it was also to stay true to the clans theme, theres dragons averywhere in hanamoura :p
thats why genji gets one too
his little tiny one when he pulls his blade
dawn topaz
dont sizeshame him
limpid agate
Kiriko
dawn topaz
Kiriko has the potential
limpid agate
She actively fucks up the story in multiple respects
dawn topaz
but the execution is awful
limpid agate
Not just the magic part
worthy rose
her fight scene was kinda cool tho
dawn topaz
How old is genji?
worthy rose
idk like 30?
limpid agate
They fucked up the timeline, and she was written with 3 conflicting personalities across her 3 appearances in game/the short/Yokai
Genji is 35
dawn topaz
uh huh
so if we assume genji in that one flashback is like...a teen
jesus how young was kiriko when they trained
limpid agate
Kiriko was never given an explicit age, but based on what was told and the order of events we've seen
She's 20
Early 20s at best
dawn topaz
Yeah the wiki says she's 23
limpid agate
The wiki has no source
worthy rose
shes at least old enough to be living on her own lokking at you orisa
dawn topaz
huh, could've sworn it specifically said 23
worthy rose
idk, i saw like 25 in her
karmic turret
we're still on magic talk?
worthy rose
yep
karmic turret
christ
worthy rose
@dawn topaz lol
alpine pawn
lmaqo
noble pendant
According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that D.Va should be abl...
I like the connotation that D.va is sub-human
worthy rose
i feel as though D.vas mech has like jet engines or some form of fuel we dont have here that could lift her meka off the ground
but thats not in the lore ;/
alpine pawn
what starcraft faction does she play?
worthy rose
it just says she plays profeshoinally
dawn topaz
I never played starcraft
so idk
I'm shocked that she doesn't have any direct evangelion references in her skins
dawn topaz
She seems like the kind of person to speedrun mario 64 until she gets the world record
like I'm talking her getting a speedrun that's nearly as perfect as a TAS
worthy rose
@peak escarp i was unaware of thar ty! 🙂
peak escarp
grandkids
dawn topaz
I'm 99% sure that you need to use some leprechaun luck to actually find a woman that likes people below 6'
then again it IS torbjörn
peak escarp
<@207741110838231042> i was unaware of thar ty! 🙂
her game was changed to Mecha Guardian V - a mech sim game
alpine pawn
hes a very nice man if you actually hear him talk
worthy rose
yea it absolutely does, she probably hooks up and plays in her mech
worthy rose
@dawn topaz she would play herself XD
dawn topaz
Who wouldn't play as themselves?
alpine pawn
heck hes the one for which a family makes more sense considering the other heroes they are all a bit intense lol
dawn topaz
I mean he bursts into flames when angered
alpine pawn
so that makes two parent heroes
worthy rose
whos the other?
dawn topaz
Ana
worthy rose
ah yes i forgot about that
peak escarp
Ana, Torbjorn and Reaper are the heroes with known children
dawn topaz
Wait, do people know about the corpse in the eichenwalde castle?
worthy rose
@dawn topaz WHAT!?
dawn topaz
Or did nobody ever bother asking rein about the missing leader
worthy rose
THERE IS other than the one on the table?
alpine pawn
isnt rein the leaeder?
alpine pawn
but yeah i imagine that many creatures killed a bunch of peasants
dawn topaz
and the armor is in the exact same position as it was in his dying moments, just overgrown
so I'd assume the bones are there too
alpine pawn
oh you mean main aichenwalde alv
worthy rose
where in the map is it?
dawn topaz
in the castle
dawn topaz
there is a massive throne with a reinhardt sized armor
dawn topaz
"Balderich von Adler"
alpine pawn
is from glory and honor
worthy rose
yea i rember it now
dawn topaz
oh wait
dawn topaz
playing on the map is actually a mission to retrieve the corpse
worthy rose
WHAT!?
dawn topaz
yeah apparently that's the goal of the attacking team
dawn topaz
I guess the wiki is asspulling
Though there isn't really any other reason to return to that abandoned castle
then again game is barely canon
limpid agate
I guess the wiki is asspulling
What
dawn topaz
The wiki says that eichenwaldes objective is to retrieve/defend balderich's body
dawn topaz
ah
yeah alright the wiki had a weird source on that
I'm suprised they didn't give reinhardt a king of adlersbrunn skin
considering every other goofy creature from junkenstein's revenge and all that does have a skin
iron plume
well, that or playable heroes
dense nebula
He narrates it, but in the new event he’s the lord of Adlersbrunn
limpid agate
Should have been a skin
iron plume
and considering the choices in the new one, it's not exactly subtle that the skins come first
so maybe he would have an appearance if he had one
alpine pawn
oh i do hope kiriko doesnt get the lux effect
viral obsidian
yea thats about it
This is so interesting thank you
iron gorge
This is so interesting thank you
ur welcome. i actually got most of the infos from a chinese video
formal heart
Giving that Hammond is a hamster, he should be able to leave his ball and crawl around/ recon
peak escarp
oh i do hope kiriko doesnt get the lux effect
lux effect?
alpine pawn
lux effect?
basically popular champions getting all the skins, events, cinematics
alpine pawn
Giving that Hammond is a hamster, he should be able to leave his ball and crawl ...
yeah but i doubt a hamster does well against bullets
peak escarp
basically popular champions getting all the skins, events, cinematics
so... Genji? Mercy? Tracer?
Kiriko isnt relevant enough to the plot to get all the cinematics
alpine pawn
yeah fair
formal heart
He smol
alpine pawn
but then again most people outside lol dont know arhi and yet she gets everywhere despite not being that important yet
iron plume
There's no reason for it in gameplay
and they're not gonna have you shooting an exposed small animal with a T rating
alpine pawn
which is funny if you consider theres technically a hamsters corpse ingame sometimes
formal heart
Guys hampter think of the possibilities
alpine pawn
besides personality wise i think hammond doesnt like leaving wrecking ball i dont think hell ever do it during combat
peak escarp
besides personality wise i think hammond doesnt like leaving wrecking ball i don...
"The ball is safe, the ball is kind."
alpine pawn
which is just a theory but may be related to the chaos in horizon since there he didnt seem to have problems stealthing about
mellow flicker
which is funny if you consider theres technically a hamsters corpse ingame somet...
doesnt hammond just run away once his ball explodes
alpine pawn
doesnt hammond just run away once his ball explodes
not that i know he is launched flying and you can see him
dreamy epoch
I love ball's voice
worthy rose
@dreamy epoch both ball and hammond are voiced by real people :, )
dreamy epoch
yeah it's neat
past copper
I’m willing to bet the new hero gets a cinematic or something. They did it for Ashe and Bob, which also gave us our first look at Echo
So it’s not impossible we get a new hero and cinematic with them
split granite
Sojourn cinematic hasn’t released yet? Possibly connected to new hero which is why it was delayed
past copper
Though you think the early reveal tomorrow is to distract from Kiriko? Her character/presence is getting a lot of diverse opinions after all
split granite
Nah they always announce stuff early November
past copper
And what better way to take people’s eyes off her than with a new hero reveal?
split granite
Sombra moira Ashe and OW2 all got announced around this same time so I think it’s purely coincidence
Ofc nothing was announced in 2020 or 2021 but that’s a bit different
past copper
If you say so, but the diversity and controversy surrounding Kiriko can’t go ignored forever
Blizzard added her. Now they have to figure her out. They can’t just put off a character they can’t seem to solidify the lore on
I’m just saying that the lore was solid before Kiriko was added and now a piece of the lore is broken. Now they can’t seem to fix it
split granite
I doubt they will put her off
Kiriko is still a very beloved character
Also a cinematic and I believe she got a short story too
Not much more they can give her now until pve releases
What lore is broken?
peak escarp
what controversy?
past copper
Mostly her age and what she’s done up until her cinematic
split granite
what controversy?
There was some minor complaints that blizzard are racist but they quickly faded not long after the discussion started
peak escarp
have people not noticed that every single hero is a stereotype?
split granite
Oh no it wasn’t that it was way funnier the reasoning
People thought that she was racist purely because they gave her a wall climb and so blizzard thought everyone in Japan was a ninja 
Ah of course 3 heroes that trained together therefore having similar abilities = all of Japan is the same
Flawless logic from intelligent people
peak escarp
split granite
It got a bit of attention but I haven’t heard anyone mention it after a week of her announcement
Anyway though yeah I strongly doubt the new hero is to cover up controversy though
past copper
I thought it was due to her anime abilities, but honestly that one sounds dumber
peak escarp
it makes sense for her to have the same abilities as Genji/Hanzo since they trained together
if she was unrelated, then it wouldn't make sense
contrary to popular belief, they don't make announcements to cover controversy
split granite
I feel like it’s said all the time despite blizzard having a clear plan for when they wanna announce stuff
People said overwatch2 itself was only made to cover up controversy
past copper
Also, issues or not, I kinda think what would help the game as a whole is to either lower their ship prices or earn coins alongside BP points. Maybe it would cut down on negativity for a spell so people can enjoy the game/lore again
Though, I guess that’s a pipe dream
split granite
I highly doubt they are revealing a new hero to distract from the games issues though
They will still be there regardless I think this is blizzard just trynna get us excited with a big announcement after the biggest overwatch esports event of the year
torpid tulip
I think they are adding new heroes to change the meta, making it more fun for players above metal ranks
grim pawn
Sojourn cinematic hasn’t released yet? Possibly connected to new hero which is w...
sojorne got her own novel so i wonder if they also think she needs a cinematic lol
grim pawn
ohh
so much sojorne...
kinda sucks for me cuz i dont find her that interesting 😅 but im sure her fans are eating well
past copper
Honestly, that seems more like it’s for the PvE cut scenes
peak escarp
we were told it was a cinematic
past copper
I think either one is possible. It’s not like Sojourn just hoped right into battle when Null Sector appeared. She’d need a moment to gear up
grim pawn
are they trying to make sojourne the new face of overwatch 2 do you think
past copper
Though, I do wonder who the second coffee is for. I doubt the dog would be drinking it lol
grim pawn
she needs 2 coffees to start her day
past copper
Well Tracer was the face of OW1 so maybe Sojourn is the new face
peak escarp
"I'm very excited for everybody to learn a little bit about what she's been up to in the time after [the fall of Overwatch]. We have a cinematic in development that I think people are really going to love that goes into this a little more."
the second coffee is probably for Reinhardt - we heard dialogue from him in the Season 1 trailer that isn't from any existing cinematics
past copper
That depends on if Reinhardt ever went to Canada in his lifetime. Though, we may find out in her book
I wonder though if Reinhardt is in it, could it be for that stealth mission that he messed up
past copper
Well if it’s in the present, I doubt it could be Reinhardt. Because he was either traveling Europe or rejoined Overwatch. But until we see the cinematic it’s hard to say
peak escarp
or he rejoined Overwatch then went to go ask Sojourn to come back
not that unbelievable
past copper
Or another possibility is Efi. Her book ended with her and Orisa traveling somewhere hinting at Sojourn
peak escarp
I don't think she'd be bringing a child a coffee
past copper
Well, it may not be coffee or it could be. Remember, Efi grew up in Numbani and I doubt they get snow in Numbani. Which Canada is known for. So drinking something warm would help her in such a cold place
It could also very well be hot cocoa instead of coffee in one cup
peak escarp
in fact we know Reinhardt shows up in Toronto at some point because the rest of Overwatch goes there too for a mission
past copper
That looks more like it’s supposed to be in the PvE. But really it’s hard say what’s cinematic or story mode cut scene anymore
peak escarp
I'm referring to the PvE
we know one of the missions is set in Toronto
(but mostly I just wanted to share that gif because I love the animation)
past copper
True, but I don’t think they’ll have much time to chitchat since they know where Null Sector’s attacking. Though, I suppose they could get a days head start before Null Sector invades
That seems to be the case when meeting up with Torbjörn and Bastion in his hometown
At least in my eyes. Bc it looks like they try to get Torbjörn’s help, find a Bastion unit living with him which triggers Rein, they stop a fight between the two, then Null Sector appears in the city
fresh hare
i don't understand, why are some people apart of talon but you can still play them as good guys
peak escarp
because the game isn't canon to the lore
fresh hare
mellow flicker
So is Junkrat canonically an OW member now
peak escarp
no
keen stump
ik kiriko is said to be in her 20s but i swear sometimes i look at her and i think she’s even younger than dva, idk if it’s her petite build, very youthful appearance, cocky/snarky attitude, or a combination of all of the above, but sumn about her just screams “teenager” to me
grand wedge
She is 19-20
peak escarp
she's at least 20
she wouldn't be living on her own if she was a teenager
she's getting tech from omnics
but not Null sector omnics
grand wedge
And since Russia is very anti omnic…
dawn topaz
ik kiriko is said to be in her 20s but i swear sometimes i look at her and i thi...
It's the sterotypical anime girl.
Like she even has a spray of her in a school uniform with a slics of bread in her mouth
And I can bet you that it's gonna be a skin in the future
Especially since the kitsune has a different look too
keen summit
ik kiriko is said to be in her 20s but i swear sometimes i look at her and i thi...
She also inv lore wouldve been older butvthe ages got retconned
peak escarp
her age was not retconned
coral geyser
Is sombra that girl from the soldier 76 cinematic trailer
white hawk
keen summit
her age was not retconned
Yes i know but you cannot tell me kiriko and genji are 15 years apart it just feels so weird as they trained together and she looked about 5 while genji amd hanzo looked 10-16 not 20
soooo today new hero teaser im so excited
my list of likely candidates are: 1 mauga 2 Storm rising omnic (more likely close to pve but there also was the silhoettes with one who was a hooded figure and had crooked staff, mage look which null sector has) 3 sanjay, least likely but i could see him being tanl
dawn topaz
I'd like to see some of the scrapped characters from project titan to return
keen summit
I'd like to see some of the scrapped characters from project titan to return
eh i'd rather have em focus on the lore we have
all heroes we got in ow2 so far have been long time knowns, only kiriko who was teased i think 2020?
keen summit
here is the post i mean when i say silhoettes
everything is accurate, it describes kiriko's first design, that there were 3 females
@grand wedge sorry for ping but got few things to add for proof
first up
your overwatch mentioned mauga is unlikely to be it
why? well this is point 2, the team wants to introduce more unique tanks. Mauga is well very obviously a top tier canidate for another brawl tank, that fits him. Null sector leader can be anything. Could give buffs, be more defensive etc etc
restive crown
Mauga gonna have a staff?
keen summit
also hoenstly, Ill call him null for easier talking, null would bring so much more to the story, he could have connections to god programs cuz it was in anubis, could tell us the motives of null sector, does he know about the iris? what does null sector think of omnics who seek out the iris? What are the plans of talon and null sector? Mauga i love alot as a character but honestly he wouldnt bring that much i think, he'd bring probs some knowledge about current talon but he isnt an high importance member of talon and he also isnt the type to pry and ask what their plans are
keen summit
Mauga gonna have a staff?
tbh mauga probs isnt the next hero
restive crown
tbh mauga probs isnt the next hero
Who then
14 hrs left
We know one of the next 3 heroes has a staff
2*
keen summit
Who then
null sector leader
ill post gwadeals post here too
but i added a bit to it
- null sector is known to have mage aesthetics
keen summit
We know one of the next 3 heroes has a staff
and no, the others were jq and sojourn
it was 3 females and 1 male
grand wedge
Yeah i didn't want to theorized about his lore yet, just pointing out fact that the under NDA cc are acting weird toward this omnic
My other speculation about the map, is that it's going to be Nepal. Because we have seen blurbs of it, just like we saw blurb if Esperança while OW2 was teased
and before they officially announce the map
So if it's Nepal? An Omnic can be related to Nepal. He could have witness Aurora transcendance. He could have been former Shambali. To another path à la Dark Vador.
keen summit
So if it's Nepal? An Omnic can be related to Nepal. He could have witness Aurora...
FINALLY MAYBE SOME ZEN LORE!
grand wedge
And then I remember that thing about Zenyatta :
He is uning some dark energy with Discord
Now
Discord was non canon - but then, now we have Kiriko and Spirit world
restive crown
So we know its a tank, a male, and thats it?
keen summit
what if hes directly opposed to the iris
restive crown
The new hero
grand wedge
And do you know where eles that weird purple dark energy? We've seen it somewhere else
keen summit
So we know its a tank, a male, and thats it?
most likely a mage like hero too
restive crown
most likely a mage like hero too
Overwatch has a no magic rule doh
grand wedge
keen summit
And do you know where eles that weird purple dark energy? We've seen it somewher...
null sector
grand wedge
In Toronto
keen summit
Overwatch has a no magic rule doh
yes, it doesnt need to be magic
grand wedge
The Iris imagery in Nepal has always been yellowish
but there is this werd tag in Toronto
The same motto as the Shambali, but purple/dark?
restive crown
You think theyll add the shield feature from torb back but into the new tank?
keen summit
zen legit has a line to mercy about "sometimes what you dont understand seems like magic
keen summit
You think theyll add the shield feature from torb back but into the new tank?
shield feature? torb?
restive crown
Yeah
He would give shield to team mates
Maybe this new tank can give shield to surrounding teamates similar to junker queens yell
keen summit
The Iris imagery in Nepal has always been yellowish
yeah it might be that the iris has two sides, one is the radical aggressive side while the other is the peacefull side, Omnics can choose what to use
grand wedge
Legit is this Dark Omnic knew Mondatta and Zenyatta at some point, i'll go feral over it
keen summit
Legit is this Dark Omnic knew Mondatta and Zenyatta at some point, i'll go feral...
would make sense
grand wedge
yeah it might be that the iris has two sides, one is the radical aggressive side...
Yin-Yang
all that
there can't be light without darkness whatever
big in a lot of works/videogames
keen summit
Legit is this Dark Omnic knew Mondatta and Zenyatta at some point, i'll go feral...
tbh imagine if hes the other side of mondatta basically, mondatta was focussed on the light side, while null was on the dark side
keen summit
there can't be light without darkness whatever
without one the other grows out of control
and mondatta died recently, null and doom talked BEFORE that
grand wedge
I feel like
Mondatta : only light
Zenyatta : ballanced
Dark Omnic : dark side
keen summit
I feel like
Mondatta : only light
Zenyatta : ballanced
Dark Omnic : dark side
exactly
grand wedge
Zenyatta parted ways with the Shambali at some point remember? To experiment his own path
keen summit
so what if null got talon to kill mondatta
cuz then null had no counterpart
see where im going with this?
grand wedge
ObiWan/Vador? xD
keen summit
Without mondatta the iris grows out of control, zenyatta is closest to the iris because the iris is balanced
keen summit
ObiWan/Vador? xD
the thing with yin-yang is none is evil, both are needed
but if one falls it gets bad
grand wedge
oh, but the Iris is like.. a concept for now - like some spiritual state of beeing that make you connect with others
keen summit
oh, but the Iris is like.. a concept for now - like some spiritual state of beei...
yes, but thats the thing
no matter what it is. Zen can wield both
grand wedge
Maybe that's why Zen will "trancend" at some point ? Because he got it. He will be connected to the Iris because he found the balanced
keen summit
and if we take this theory of yin-yang zen is yin-yang while mondatta and null are the other ones
keen summit
Maybe that's why Zen will "trancend" at some point ? Because he got it. He will ...
exactly
grand wedge
damn, you hyped me xD
keen summit
the iris wants omnics to be sentient
grand wedge
if we are too far in the speculative world, i'll be very sad 
I mean, they are all sentients
already
keen summit
null believes its best to make sure that omnics are free through making it forced, radical side, the well aggressive side while mondatta did it through peacefull ways
zen instead decides to not do any of those
he just teaches others who ask and focusses on himself.
That way they become more their own person instead of just a spokes person or a person who takes unnecessary action
and also it would explain his intentions
grand wedge
I can't stay to chat more unfortunately, but it was nice debating that kind of things
so thanks 
keen summit
if we are too far in the speculative world, i'll be very sad <:gwadaCry:81840853...
im just using what i know from story telling, i create hero concepts alot for fun. Ig im more known i nthis channel for making predictions
worthy rose
Bruh
Genji literally means healing 💀
Blizzard knew what they were doing with the names
keen summit
Genji literally means healing 💀
maybe cuz yknow, hes healing from the mental scars he has
keen summit
also where do you have that from
keen summit
it means source heal and peace, the source of his pain: being almost murdered, he healed from it and then found peace
gwadeal i noticed another thing...
dawn topaz
it means source heal and peace, the source of his pain: being almost murdered, h...
Almost?
keen summit
take a look at stylosa's thumbnail. hes known for well being very direct bout stuff. The null omnic has green outline all others have red outline
dawn topaz
Bastion has some complicated lore
Because you can interpret him as alot of things
Like the sole survivor of a war, filled with ptsd, and healing from that with the help of nature and his friends
Or an oversized playful child.
Or just...a robot that learned to live
ivory cove
Winston’s favorite candy is butterfinger
grand wedge
take a look at stylosa's thumbnail. hes known for well being very direct bout st...
It was also posted 13 hours ago. Not sure if someone told him about that yet?
Or if he just doesn't care
keen summit
It was also posted 13 hours ago. Not sure if someone told him about that yet?
well i think it might just be him sneakily teasing
stylosa did that stuff in the past too
like saying with 'ideas' for characters like what if we got A in overwatch
grand wedge
and suspiciously, he isn't speculating much about Dark Omnic - whereas Mauga
keen summit
Aka next hero??
tbh its lookin less likely
dont get me wrong i love mauga
but null omnic would bring 5 times more lore
keen summit
and suspiciously, he isn't speculating much about Dark Omnic - whereas Mauga
he is talking about him tho
grand wedge
Did someone say mauga????
No, I say Null Sector Omnic
keen summit
just the wiki
yea
split granite
Yeah Ik SRO is more likely It’s just pure cope I just really want mauga 
keen summit
doesnt mean mauga never will come
split granite
Oh yeah mauga definitely will come out eventually they all but confirmed it
keen summit
but next tank would also be sum new type they wanted for diversity, mauga would only work as brawl
split granite
Yeah unfortunately that’s true
keen summit
curveball: its maximillian controlling a mech from far away
split granite
I’d rather mauga be done right though so idm waiting if it means he won’t be rushed
split granite
curveball: its maximillian controlling a mech from far away
NO
I saw people theorise sanjay would be a tank that pilots a mech
I highly doubt that that doesn’t fit his character at all
keen summit
I saw people theorise sanjay would be a tank that pilots a mech
I highly doubt t...
we barely know anything about him as a person
we only know his fronts
how he acts
he might be hella interested in trying out hardlight at max destruction
split granite
That would be cool
keen summit
yeah
hardlight you can make any role
a hardlight oriented tank would be hella cool
grand wedge
That's why Sanjay is asked.
But now, we have : DUROVIDRO
another tech
could be use for soemthing too
in fighting & hero i mean
keen summit
But now, we have : DUROVIDRO
who?
that one i havent heard of yet
lookin it up
ehhh
im not sure
in numbani we also had those cool omnic designs just cause
bitter kayak
I have a question lore gods
is dva older than brig?
actually nvm someone answered my question
DVA IS YOUNGER?
keen summit
Cláudio Martins returned to his homeland with his husband
small detail in the stuff bout durovidro
another lgbtq character
grand wedge
that one i havent heard of yet
DuroVidro is the tech in Portugal
ton build the wall to protect Portugal (and Spain) from the rising waters
It's a material as hard as diamonds
so it could be used to build cities (that's what i'm expecting with atcaltic archology)
keen summit
also: anubis was important for omnic crisis
did a check if the husband of cladio was with mei
but no so still alive
there is a spain person but name doesnt add up
man i hope its null omnic now tbh
one reason
to see all those "its confirmed to be mauga!" people be like WHAT
grand wedge
I'd be desapointed if it was not the Omnic because of the clues that are all there
And like you said : Mauga look brawly. And JQ was just added, and she is close range
idk, i feel a fresh kit that can go with the Omnic tech or whatever, could be great?
keen summit
Btw another thing..
Sojourn cinematic is still missing
There were null sector hints on her map
What if "its all connected"
dawn topaz
Midjourn
keen summit
Who knows maybe itll be a reveal like ashe's
keen summit
There are the weird Iris painting on Toronto…
exactly!
frigid ermine
Engineer gaming
bitter kayak
What are the worst overwatch ships
keen summit
all of em
bitter kayak
💀
carmine spoke
Moira’s cool
dawn topaz
What are the worst overwatch ships
Genji x Hanzo for obvious reasons
worthy rose
Reaper x Soldier
dawn topaz
Reaper x Soldier is fine tbh, especially since Jack is canonically gay
Same with Tracer x Widow
worthy rose
Reaper x Soldier is fine tbh, especially since Jack is canonically gay
Naaaaah
dawn topaz
It's fine.
worthy rose
Although Winston x Tracer is worse
dawn topaz
what the fuck
dawn topaz
McHanzo 
keen summit
canzo
worthy rose
Isnt tracer canonically dating that girl called emily or something
worthy rose
Their both hot so that's fine
Oh yeah but like thatd just be bc of horny artists lol
dawn topaz
And now people want to have Tracer live 2 relationships at the same time
worthy rose
Worst ship ive seen is definitely hanzo x genji
worthy rose
Oh yeah but like thatd just be bc of horny artists lol
Idk I feel most people would feel pretty horned up for them :D
dawn topaz
That was meant about the Widow x Tracer and Tracer x Emily being mashed together
dawn topaz
Worst ship ive seen is definitely hanzo x genji
maybe...Ana x Pharah
dawn topaz
How about Widow x Emily x Tracer
Support it 
worthy rose
That would make some mean fanart ngl
Tracer becomes polyamorous next conematic
Cinematic
dawn topaz
Although Widow seems like the kind of woman to not get into any more relationships
worthy rose
Yeah
And she tried killing tracer
Even as a bait to get her to move
But she 100% wouldve shot her if she hadnt
dawn topaz
And she tried killing tracer
Yeah her tactic of stockholm syndrome didn't work on tracer
worthy rose
Lmao
I ship Winston x anyone
Id like to see like a humanised winston
But at the same time
dawn topaz
Do animals still exist
dawn topaz
Like are there still...zoos in the overwatch universe?
dawn topaz
I'd think that'd make for an interresting story for winston
worthy rose
All thats there is omnics
split granite
Hello chat
worthy rose
Winston x genji is the most toxic ship
worthy rose
I'd think that'd make for an interresting story for winston
Winston is always interesting
He's the strongest character too in lore
dawn topaz
Echo:
worthy rose
Echo can't win tho
dawn topaz
(she is already winston)
worthy rose
Most powerful or most strong
split granite
Please god not overwatch powerscaling
worthy rose
(she is already winston)
Winston vs Winston is a stalemate
dawn topaz
Not in the overwatch league
keen summit
Please god not overwatch powerscaling
ive just decided for everyone its better when i just say who are in the top group
worthy rose
Id say on lore probably symetra or sigma would be
keen summit
cuz everybody seems to just believe one thing and not be open
worthy rose
Please god not overwatch powerscaling
Not scaling just saying Winston is the goat
worthy rose
Or at least imo
split granite
cuz everybody seems to just believe one thing and not be open
Average powerscaling discussion
For anything
keen summit
The strongest hero is one of:
- Sigma
- Winston
- Orisa
- Symmetra
yeah
split granite
The strongest hero is one of:
- Sigma
- Winston
- Orisa
- Symmetra
And doomfist
worthy rose
I hate Sigma
split granite
Oh yeah the guy who can level a skyscraper isn’t strong
dawn topaz
In an empty 1v1 setting, doomfist beats winston because winston wouldn't go angry 
limpid agate
He cant level a skyscraper
split granite
Yes he can
limpid agate
No, he cant
keen summit
Oh yeah the guy who can level a skyscraper isn’t strong
it was SAID he can
worthy rose
Oh yeah the guy who can level a skyscraper isn’t strong
That's hyperbole mate :/
limpid agate
Some 8 year old said he could
What we see in comics, shorts, and hero of numbani is
He cant
He can damage one
He cant level one
keen summit
Some 8 year old said he could
nah nah nah a 8 year old said that others said he could
dawn topaz
The real question is, is doomfist the strong one, or is it the gauntlet
keen summit
doom defo is strong but not as strong as those
worthy rose
Dooms definitely strong eitherway
worthy rose
nah nah nah a 8 year old said that others said he could
Means nothing when it's not supported by feats
limpid agate
But Winston is a mary sue
keen summit
The real question is, is doomfist the strong one, or is it the gauntlet
doom is strong he can analyze in fights
worthy rose
But super strong w gauntlet
keen summit
Means nothing when it's not supported by feats
thats what i was saying with it
dawn topaz
Ok but can winston beat goku?
split granite
Hypocritical logic
We haven’t seen sigma do anything at all
worthy rose
Ok but can winston beat goku?
Really mate?
keen summit
But Winston is a mary sue
still hate that part of his lore though, we get shown hwo powerfull doom is and then loses to winston who later in zero hour takes time flipping a car and pulling it, while doom just cracked the ground with a punch sending everything flying, easily rips off a door
dawn topaz
Hypocritical logic
We haven’t seen sigma do anything at all
^This but like half of the roster
keen summit
^This but like half of the roster
orisa we legit know
limpid agate
Hypocritical logic
We haven’t seen sigma do anything at all
The reason Sigma and Sym are in contention is because they are enigmas
With power that we dont know the limits of
keen summit
orisa is insanely powerfull, always makes me laugh a creation from a kid is in the upper echelon of power
keen summit
Hypocritical logic
We haven’t seen sigma do anything at all
the simple fact of controlling gravity is already op enough
dawn topaz
I mean, she is based on a very powerful omnic
keen summit
I mean, she is based on a very powerful omnic
yes but still its impressive
dawn topaz
one that would even give the god among men, reinhardt, a (rein)hard time
keen summit
if efi becomes a engineer with factories she could rule the world
dawn topaz
worthy rose
the simple fact of controlling gravity is already op enough
Or symmetra
keen summit
one that would even give the god among men, reinhardt, a (rein)hard time
yet doom beated multiple of those
worthy rose
Creating anything
keen summit
Or symmetra
yes, creating anything
split granite
The only scale of reference we have for winston and orisa is they beat doomfist and if he can’t level a skyscraper then their strength isn’t really all that either
worthy rose
Still Winston imo
Could build a bomb inside of sigma and kill him instantly
Sigma doesn't compare
keen summit
The only scale of reference we have for winston and orisa is they beat doomfist ...
no, orisa we also know another thing, she accidently broke cars.
limpid agate
Orisa is extremely durable
dawn topaz
yet doom beated multiple of those
The doomfist gauntlet is pretty much just as overpowered as a human can get
split granite
Ok orisa can stop a car doomfist can do that too?
keen summit
Ok orisa can stop a car doomfist can do that too?
in her origin story she accidently broke a car meaning she wasnt even trying to
worthy rose
Doom needs a buff in game
keen summit
thats 0 percent attacking then
split granite
She was trying to stop the car
dawn topaz
no amount of german science can combat the scariest opponent of them all: plot armor
worthy rose
Desperately
split granite
She deliberately stopped the car
worthy rose
Ok orisa can stop a car doomfist can do that too?
Yes and easy at that
limpid agate
They showed that scene in the novel
She totals the car without actively trying to do anything about it
split granite
Yes and easy at that
I’m aware
limpid agate
Just by standing in front of it
dawn topaz
Can we end this discussion with a quote by stan lee: The winner of a fight is whoever the writers want to win.
split granite
That is true
worthy rose
Sure
limpid agate
@dawn topaz There is a difference between the winner of a fight and this power scaling
Reaper was often thought to be a contender for the strongest
And he often lost in the lore
worthy rose
Winston beat Reaper twice tho
limpid agate
Code of Violence showed that he is much more normal than previously thought
worthy rose
Can we end this discussion with a quote by stan lee: The winner of a fight is wh...
Even though whenever x person vs y person movies come out nobody wins and they team up against another group entirely
split granite
I’m not saying orisa is weak I’m just saying it makes no sense to say she’s one of the strongest character but doom isn’t when we’ve seen and hears more impressive things from him
limpid agate
Whereas with Doomfist. Doomfist lost a fist fight with Winston.
dawn topaz
Even though whenever x person vs y person movies come out nobody wins and they t...
except morbius
limpid agate
It wasnt Winston beating him through other means or being clever
keen summit
She was trying to stop the car
look at the bus
worthy rose
except morbius
The memes put me off so i didnt watch it
split granite
Whereas with Doomfist. Doomfist lost a fist fight with Winston.
Doomfist lost a 3v1 yes
limpid agate
It was Winston just doing waht Doomfist does, but better
split granite
look at the bus
I fail to see what this proves I already said I’m aware how strong orisa is
keen summit
I fail to see what this proves I already said I’m aware how strong orisa is
i meant as in she doesnt exert any force
dawn topaz
In morbius x and y people get into a fight because x has an experimental cure to his and y's disease and y doesn't want to wait until the risks are removed
dawn topaz
And then they morb eachother
keen summit
Did you read the novel?
still reading it
limpid agate
Not you
worthy rose
Tbf tho if the gauntlet is so powerful why would anyone just put it in a museum
limpid agate
The person denying it.
worthy rose
Tbf tho if the gauntlet is so powerful why would anyone just put it in a museum
It's awesome? Likely the reason for most stuff tbh
keen summit
yeah i love orisa it thats why i just focus much on her
worthy rose
It's awesome? Likely the reason for most stuff tbh
Fair
keen summit
Tbf tho if the gauntlet is so powerful why would anyone just put it in a museum
well to show what overwatch did
dawn topaz
Tbf tho if the gauntlet is so powerful why would anyone just put it in a museum
You say that yet people put the crown of england out on display
split granite
i meant as in she doesnt exert any force
Ik orisa is stronger than doomfist it’s outright said she chased him out of numbani im trying to make the point that doom himself is also insanely powerful
limpid agate
Yes he is
keen summit
Ik orisa is stronger than doomfist it’s outright said she chased him out of numb...
i agree he is though
limpid agate
But hes not a contender for #1
split granite
However
keen summit
but not on the level of those
limpid agate
He could be #2. He could be #5
worthy rose
Doomfist is above Reaper but below Winston
limpid agate
But he's not a contender for #1
worthy rose
You say that yet people put the crown of england out on display
A crown isnt as dangerous as a gauntlet that can supposedly topple a skyscraper
split granite
If you’re gonna believe that orisa beat doomfist then you have to believe he can level a skyscraper
Unless it’s in the Nobel?
Nove
worthy rose
Why?
split granite
NOVEL
split granite
oh ok nvm then
keen summit
sigma can control gravity, orisa can take any hits basically and is strong enough to hit back harder, winston has shit ton of feats to show hes strong, sym can create ANYTHING
split granite
Orisa beats doomfist in her novel ok I was wrong
dawn topaz
A crown isnt as dangerous as a gauntlet that can supposedly topple a skyscraper
It still is like, the thing that has all the power over the british and stuff, plus it's worth alot so money means you can buy dangerous things
worthy rose
Doomfist only makes craters in the ground. Nowhere near building level by feats
keen summit
Orisa beats doomfist in her novel ok I was wrong
best part is, orisa's PROTOTYPE did
split granite
best part is, orisa's PROTOTYPE did
Doomfist wiped out all the OR-15 alone though? Unless you mean like a prototype of orisa herself and not or15
keen summit
Doomfist wiped out all the OR-15 alone though? Unless you mean like a prototype ...
yeah proto orisa basically
with lucio who well isnt really strong
limpid agate
Orisa has also since been upgraded since that encounter
worthy rose
It still is like, the thing that has all the power over the british and stuff, p...
Ok but surely we wouldnt just allow a random theif take control over everything
split granite
It’s insane how powerful orisa is
I’m all for it I like the idea numbani has this insanely powerful defender
keen summit
orisa is defo in the top group
limpid agate
The supercharger was basically just a speaker
dawn topaz
Ok but surely we wouldnt just allow a random theif take control over everything
Isn't that what colonizers did?
keen summit
but not like
worthy rose
Isn't that what colonizers did?
How long ago was that tho
split granite
I really hope orisa doesn’t join overwatch though
I’d hate if just every good hero in the game was apart of ow
worthy rose
orisa is defo in the top group
That sucks :(
keen summit
well orisa is in highest echelons
till we know sym and sigmas limitations we cant say how strong those are
dawn topaz
How long ago was that tho
history repeats itself I guess, just look at how omnics are treated
split granite
Sigma is probably most powerful in terms of abilities but would probably lose a fight because he’s unstable
keen summit
if they are as limitless as they seem then sigma is defo strongest
worthy rose
Omnics vs humans is literally just racism
split granite
Omnics vs humans is literally just racism
That is the point
keen summit
Sigma is probably most powerful in terms of abilities but would probably lose a ...
he doesnt need to be stable
limpid agate
Its a bad placeholder for racism
worthy rose
till we know sym and sigmas limitations we cant say how strong those are
So Sigma isn't top spot yet
limpid agate
The omnics as a race can be functionally mind controlled against their will to murder everyone they know.
worthy rose
He likely will be when he gets FEATS
keen summit
Omnics vs humans is literally just racism
not really, its same problem detroit become human had, the omnics are created by humans its not weird that they are seen as worse
limpid agate
And people want to suppress them because of that.
worthy rose
That is the point
Sounds like racism
keen summit
So Sigma isn't top spot yet
i agree, but in theory if he does have just plain and simple gravity control hes the highest tier
the omnics are made with a purpose
limpid agate
Its a very bad standin for racism
keen summit
people arent
i think honestly the conflict is more a metaphor for how protests go
null sector is radical
split granite
Regardless of how they were made they are alive and considered their own race
To think lesser of them is racist
keen summit
mondatta was peacefull
limpid agate
Because there is justification in suppressing the omnics as a people, considering they can, you know... Bring about the apocalypse directly and murder you without their own consent
dawn topaz
God I hate getting brainwashed into killing people, especially my loved ones.
worthy rose
Lol
keen summit
they are going for racism thats obvious tho
worthy rose
Yep
dawn topaz
Because there is justification in suppressing the omnics as a people, considerin...
The uhh BNA anime did the exact same thing
keen summit
like with junkertown people have generational racism cuz the first people there hated omnics so new people do too
bitter kayak
God I hate getting brainwashed into killing people, especially my loved ones.
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