lore-discussion

[dreamy epoch]

she's still technically committing murder!

arrest her!

[peak escarp]

the only option would be locking her up and attempting to rehabilitate her

which effectively removes her from the story

[dreamy epoch]

^
and even then that would be in secret

so yeah she'd just be effectively removed from everywhere

[peak escarp]

and if you cure her? well no more Widowmaker

[vital river]

is it lore accurate that mei shoots people in the brain with a 12 inch icicle

[peak escarp]

we'd get Amelie back, who seems like a boring person

[peak escarp]

no

[lapis jetty]

I feel like Widowmaker was a subconscious primal sort of desire to want and kill.

Like just the overall thought of it. We all have that desire. It's apart of our primal instincts.

The conditioning maybe may have awakened and broadened her desire.

You feel me?

[dreamy epoch]

ayo?

that may just be a you problem

If I had to write something for her
it probably wouldn't be turncoat cause we just discussed why that doesn't work

I think a tragic ending is the only way the character goes out well
either that or captured and left in the pits of "rehab"

[vital river]

you going schizo mode right now man

[peak escarp]

I'm a big fan of the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" trope, so I'd like to see someone (probably Sombra) team up with Overwatch to fight some other big bad

[dreamy epoch]

I'd be down for sombra doing that and obviously keeping her avenues open for the future

[lapis jetty]

It's not being schizo. It's basic mental health knowledge.

[dreamy epoch]

like if teaming up with Overwatch gave her resources to take down lumerico or something similar

or an idea

[lapis jetty]

We all have subconscious desires.

[peak escarp]

but not like, a permanent team up

just an alliance of convenience

[dreamy epoch]

katya is kind of just like
sitting there

and I have no clue what'll happen with her

[vital river]

i wouldn't describe an innate desire to kill as mental health knowledge

and i'm an italian-american mobster

eyyy

[lapis jetty]

Sombra was never trust worthy in the first place. She is a wild card.

[vital river]

badda bing

[lapis jetty]

Keyword is subconscious.

[thick haven]

[round prairie]

Torbjörn still solos

🥱🥱🥱🥱

[worthy rose]

Winston would stomp Torbjorn easy

[round prairie]

Can’t Torbjörn is too cool

[kindred nimbus]

Also too hot

Cuz y know lava

[worthy rose]

WINSTON IS A PENGUIN. He also had better feats in general like tanking grenades and beating Doomfist

[round prairie]

Do you know who eats doomfist for breakfast?

Torbjörn

[worthy rose]

No

You have no evidence Torb the short can beat Winston

[worthy rose]

Who is Mitzi?

[peak escarp]

Brigitte's cat

[keen summit]

Torb alone cant beat most heroes but torb with prep time is insanely powerfull

In theory because of how good he is at engineering he can create legit counters to heroes

I think the strongest characters in the game in lore are these
Sigma doomfist winston orisa

All tanks funnily enough

All characters are quite strong in lore but these are on different levels

But biggest thing is, almost everyone ( except lucio basically ) is stronger in lore than ingame

[worthy rose]

Reaper deserves an honorable mention

[fathom oxide]

Not really he’s just unkillable not powerful

Symmetra should definitely be on the list

[keen summit]

True

[keen summit]

He cant really die but against those he'd get knocked around still, in sombra cinematic we saw that even a mech moving slowly could hit him and hurt him bad. Imagine doomfist punch then

[worthy rose]

Why tho

What’s so good about her?

[keen summit]

She can do anything

Legit

Create anything

[hardy marsh]

Can someone explain me doomfist?

[worthy rose]

I said honorable mention. Not top 5 or something

[worthy rose]

He is powerful though. He defeated base Winston without much issue

[keen summit]

kinda cuz hes just a bad matchup

much like how i wouldnt outright say orisa is stronger than doom even though she can easily beat him

shes made for that function afterall

[worthy rose]

He also fought Tracer evenly. And destroyed a Russian small mech. Pretty impressive stuff

[keen summit]

yes tracer isnt in the upper echalons and others have done more impressive stuff by far.

hes not weak but also not close to the strongest

[worthy rose]

Sombra solos half the cast tho

With the amount of cybernetic augmentations for chars

I’d argue she could possibly beat Doom

[split granite]

Sup

Reaper mains won with this new skin
They need to make more Hispanic skins for him

[worthy rose]

Reaper alone fought her before. It ended in a standoff

[keen summit]

reaper doesnt have cybernetics no

[worthy rose]

whos ur fav character lore wise ? mines either widowmaker or rein

[keen summit]

hmmm tough one, i love bap's lore tbh

or doomfist and orisa

[sharp trench]

to be fair his “powers” weren’t fully developed or stabilized out yet

[molten shore]

So does overwatch 2 take place in the future

[molten shore]

Lucio or Reaper

[worthy rose]

no

[molten shore]

Wut

[grand wedge]

it's in some future earth but not really - and it's set around 60 years in the future... around 2070's or something

[molten shore]

No I meant later then overwatch 1

And by how many if so

[grand wedge]

oh, juste one year? or 2

Jeff told us that Zero hour takes place around 1 year after the Recall

and some time passed a bit, but not much

[tulip wraith]

i wanna ask, hanzo is a bad guy or good guy ?

[grand wedge]

neither kinda

[dreamy epoch]

imo he's just a guy

while bad and good are subjective in media if you take away a moral standpoint which is impossible to do

hanzo has done some bad things in his past, of which he wants to atone for

[split granite]

Yeah hanzo not really on a side

That’s the choice genji gives him at the end of dragons saying he needs to choose a side
The only time we saw him after was in a single panel of the reflections comic

[pastel comet]

slurp

[lapis jetty]

Hanzo is more likely than not going to join Overwatch.

At least that's where I think it's going.

[keen summit]

Or just wander around maybe helping but not outright joining

[woven sigil]

Sigma deserves a cinematic trailer, change my mind

[drifting viper]

Neutral

[grand wedge]

I picture Hanzo as a guy that has done bad things (and probably being born in a Yakusa family didn't help). He was also a mercenary, so that is questionable too. But deep down, he isn't bad

[neon shell]

Is sigma still in that one group? (I forgot what it’s called, blackwatch or something?) the”evil” organization that doom fist runs?

[limpid agate]

Talon

Blackwatch was the blackops division of Overwatch, before Overwatch shut down

Talon is the terrorist oganization

Blackwatch was led by Reyes (Reaper) and members included Cassidy, Genji, and Moira

Talon is led by Doomfist, with Reaper and Moira also on the council of leaders. Widow, Sombra, and Sigma are members

Baptiste was too, but he quit.

[neon shell]

Rightttt I forgot blackwatch was it’s own thing. So gameplay isn’t canon? Like you’ve got talon members teaming with overwatch members, obviously they wouldn’t work together yes?

[limpid agate]

Correct

[neon shell]

Sick. Thank you 🙂

[dense nebula]

You forgot the best member of Talon smh

[limpid agate]

No I didnt.

[dreamy epoch]

any maxers

[boreal fractal]

Zen is top 10 lore wise

[sly island]

tracer has no skill lorewise

[patent badge]

She pilots

[worthy rose]

Hm I got a question how does McCree and echo know each other?

[split granite]

I hope he doesn’t even thought that’s what they were hinting at him doing

I don’t like the idea making a difference in the world just means joining overwatch
I like the idea there’s people everywhere doing their part

[grand wedge]

Cassidy. He was assigned to Dr Mina Liao security while she was working on Echo.

[worthy rose]

Oh ok thanks

[jolly pilot]

any1 have an idea who the next hero is gonna be

[grand wedge]

Contenders are Mauga and the Dark Omnic that Doomfist met in the end of Storm Rising

Some people may think of Sanjay - or event Sven (but very unlikely)

I vote for the Dark Omnic.

[limpid agate]

Its most likely Mauga.

Its going to be a tank

And Mauga was confirmed 3 years ago after Sigma came out

[edgy field]

Isn't hanzo genjis brother?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[edgy field]

Just making sure I knew right

It makes sense saying that they both have said "the dragon compells you" and they both have dragon ult abilities, genjis animation shows a dragon that looks like what comes out of hanzos litteral dragon

[high osprey]

I wish they focus on sigma lore

Such an interesting character

[fleet ravine]

isnt he like slowly losing his saniity

[high osprey]

I think bro already lost his sanity

[peak escarp]

his mind was shattered from contact with a black hole

[grand wedge]

he is just confused at times

[boreal fractal]

Why is sigma in the game so calm and the lore he is just an insane man

[bitter kayak]

Sigma probably has a mental disability

Forgot what you call it but maybe the ones with multiple identities or personalitys

[boreal fractal]

I think sigma knows talon is using him

He is way to smart to not know

If talon thinks about doing something to sigma there gonna get folded by him

[bitter kayak]

Why would he stay though? He IS strong enough to escape but why stay

He did say that they give him what he needs

[boreal fractal]

True

The only one in talon to put up a fight

Is doom

[bitter kayak]

Doom is scary low-key

[peak escarp]

they haven't given him any reason to want to escape

[bitter kayak]

how bout the things that moria does to him?

[boreal fractal]

That's moria

What you expect

[bitter kayak]

oh right

[peak escarp]

Moira

not Moria

[high osprey]

Thats not true when u use his abilities you will hear him sayin stuff like what is that melody

Or the universe sings to me

Basically insane stuff

[bitter kayak]

Forgot Moira is mega mind + 100 manipulater + somehow a bitch in game and in lore + 6ft mommy + scientist + epic thinking

[boreal fractal]

That's only his ultimate

[high osprey]

I mean do you want sigma to scream the entire game?

[boreal fractal]

His interactions and stuff are calm

[high osprey]

Ye because talon got him stable-ish

[boreal fractal]

True

[high osprey]

Hes still fucked up tho

[boreal fractal]

Sigma needs a therapist

[bitter kayak]

Is there any lore why sigma doesn't wear shoes or socks

[bitter kayak]

Moira 💀💀

[boreal fractal]

Nah

[high osprey]

worst therapist known to man

She'll just experiment on u

[bitter kayak]

Exactly

Talon is probably rich enough to afford a special therapist for sigma

[high osprey]

Do you think talon cares

[boreal fractal]

Fr

[bitter kayak]

No💀

[high osprey]

they just wanna use him

[boreal fractal]

There just using sigma

[high osprey]

Bro got no friends

Exept sombra maybe

[bitter kayak]

Sombra a real homie fr

[boreal fractal]

Sombra is pretty much nice to everyone

[high osprey]

Nah ong mommy sombra is all what i need

[high osprey]

Her interactions with reinhardt are funny asf

[boreal fractal]

Having sombra as a friend whould be cool

[bitter kayak]

Scary too

One wrong move and girl would expose your ass💀

[high osprey]

frfr

Mcree got a cactus up his ass

[boreal fractal]

Fr bro can leak your whole ip or worse

[high osprey]

And thats canon

[bitter kayak]

How does that even happen

[boreal fractal]

Bro was desperate

[bitter kayak]

Bro couldn't handle it anymore

[high osprey]

It's actually canon lmaoo

[boreal fractal]

Say something wrong about sombra online

It's over

[bitter kayak]

Ong

[boreal fractal]

Junkrat is pretty smart btw

Like bro made working grenade launchers out of junk

[bitter kayak]

I'd like to see junkrat make shit with proper materials

[boreal fractal]

Fr

Who knows what bro would make

Why does everyone treat junkrat so bad

Like he can just breath

An the whole overwatch cast would be like "shut up"

[dreamy epoch]

idk

maybe it's cause he's an insane lunatic who does stuff for "fun"

the fun being explosions

[ivory garnet]

all of junkertown is, smart in iq, but not really in sense

[boreal fractal]

He ain't doing anything tho

[ivory garnet]

he is a wanted criminal through-out the world

watch junkrat origin story

[dense nebula]

Technically all the OW agents are

Considering the org OW is illegal

[cunning swallow]

Yes

[alpine pawn]

besides junkrat only kills people he really dislikes like that ceo and that has my approval

[upbeat sand]

what country does Ana come from?

[alpine pawn]

egypt

[upbeat sand]

interesting

[cunning swallow]

I thought it was russia

[upbeat sand]

Let me guess, u also play valorant..?

[cunning swallow]

No

My potato can't handle it

I didn't know

[cinder lodge]

I was joking sry

It’s in a comic so I don’t blame you

[cunning swallow]

Ok

This died quicker than I thought

What

[limpid agate]

Zarya is from Russia. Ana and Pharah are from Egypt. Although Pharah is also half Canadian.

[cunning swallow]

Yes but what about widow

[limpid agate]

France

[cunning swallow]

Oh rigth

Wait isn't genji and hanzo brothers or cousins

[limpid agate]

Brothers

[cunning swallow]

Ok

I think I watched most of the origin clips but forgot half of em

[grand wedge]

he doesn't

[cunning swallow]

Really?

[lapis jetty]

The world is gonna beg for ow anyways so they should be thankful for the aid they are being given.

[dense nebula]

Doesn’t change the fact that they’re working illegally

[lapis jetty]

Most likely than not.

[cunning swallow]

True

[dense nebula]

Governments are still legally allowed to charge them even if they help

And it would be dumb to think that gov’ts all around the world wouldn’t form their own groups and help improve their military to combat the rising crisis

[cunning swallow]

What

[lapis jetty]

Well no shit

[lapis jetty]

America when Joe Biden:

[dense nebula]

Hey man he’s doing his best

Just wish he would actually look at the camera sometimes

[lapis jetty]

Ik but sometimes it makes me wonder if we should have old men in office

[dense nebula]

We play the cards we’re dealt with

Not my fault I keep getting the Joker

[high osprey]

she doesn't even sound russian u can tell its arabic

[dense nebula]

Yeah, Ana is def Egyptian

[cunning swallow]

Ok I get it

[dense nebula]

Hell she even wears the Eye of Horus as a tattoo over her eye

[high osprey]

Aint that pharah

[dense nebula]

Pretty sure Pharah wears the Eye of Ra

[high osprey]

Oh

[dense nebula]

Two different eye symbols

Each one on the opposite eye

[high osprey]

Yeah ik i just didn't notice that ana had a tatto on her eye lol

[cunning swallow]

Wait if Ana and widow isn't rusian then who is

Or am I just dumb

[high osprey]

Zarya

[high osprey]

Widowmaker is french im pretty sure

[cunning swallow]

Yeah

She speaks French when you use the ultimate

[high osprey]

So does sigma

But dutch

[cunning swallow]

Yes

What's the ice persons name

[dense nebula]

Mei

She’s Chinese

[cunning swallow]

Ok

[high osprey]

I thought she was korean

[cunning swallow]

No that's diva

[high osprey]

I like how overwatch lore is thought of before a character gets added to the game

[cunning swallow]

Yes

[high osprey]

Blizzard should do a tv series fr

I been obsessed with ow lore since i was like 10 and i didnt even have the game cuz i was broke lmao

[cunning swallow]

I have overwatch on disc

Now it's somewhere

[neon shell]

Yes.

[neon shell]

Somethin like arcane would go hard. They needa do a show like that for valorant too.

[fathom oxide]

Arcane was in the works for a long time so they’re probably working on a Val series rn

[tepid gust]

Overwatch could do smth like marvel, making movies for individual characters and having them cross over with eachother lore wise

[dense nebula]

No

We don’t need another MCU

[iron plume]

it wouldn't really work either

[tepid gust]

Nah but ykwim

[iron plume]

many people have tried

OW would work better as an ensemble tv show

[tepid gust]

Wdym

Like friends?

Lmao

[iron plume]

a tv show without a single "main character"

[tepid gust]

I feel you

Like the office

[iron plume]

so, in that sense, yes?
I don't really see how that's funny though
plenty of action shows have had ensemble casts too, not just comedy

speaking of marvel, like Agents of Shield

[tepid gust]

I know what u mean

I’d like to see how each character was connected with overwatch

But I also feel like the upcoming coop mode is gonna act like a tv show

[iron plume]

Not all heroes are connected

is the bot response still a thing

!!lorefactions

[twilit nacelle]

Latest known faction affiliations
New Overwatch:

Winston, Tracer, Mei - Pre-Zero Hour
Mercy, Genji, Brigitte, Reinhardt, Echo - Zero Hour
Cassidy, Pharah, Baptiste, Zarya, D.va - Post-New Blood
Lucio, Sojourn, Bastion, Orisa - (presumably) During OW2 campaign
Were in old OW, still good guys, but not joining:
Soldier, Ana - Doing their own thing
Torbjorn - Presumably retired from action
Talon:
Doomfist, Reaper, Moira - On leader council
Widowmaker, Sombra, Sigma
The rest:
Ashe - Deadlock Gang leader
Symmetra - Vishkar employee
Junkrat, Roadhog - Independent, ex-Junkers
Wrecking Ball - Independent, maybe ex-Junker
Hanzo - Independent, ex-Shimada Clan
Zenyatta - Independent, ex-Shambali

[iron plume]

sure is

should update it actually

but neither JQ nor Kiriko have OW connections either

[neon shell]

Yeah you have a point.

Why did junkrat and hog get kicked out? I mean junkrat makes sense but what did roadhog do?

[tepid gust]

With ow I don’t mean the team but all characters in the game

They all link in one way or the other

[iron plume]

The Junkers are mostly on their own, but overall yes

[tepid gust]

Yh

I was surprised that Lucio didn’t really know overwatch in the coop teaser

Since he has been battling with them since like 2017

[iron plume]

he hasn't

[dawn topaz]

So like, how many evil groups of robots are there now

[iron plume]

One, Null Sector

[dawn topaz]

We have the omnic crisis stuff, the null sector and uhh

I guess that's it.

[iron plume]

The ones in Russia and Korea aren't really "groups"

but you could put them together as the Omnic Crisis leftovers

[tepid gust]

Party magician how did mccree lose his arm

[iron plume]

we don't know

[tepid gust]

Thats smth I’ve wanted to know

[tepid gust]

Didn’t ash rip it off or smth

[iron plume]

no

[tepid gust]

Cuz in a voicelibe she says she’ll take the other arm too right?

[iron plume]

It's not in a voice line, it's in the cinematic

[tepid gust]

Matter of fact, are ash and mccree exes to eachother?

[iron plume]

and it just refers to his other arm

[tepid gust]

Oh ok

[iron plume]

not suggesting she did his first

and no, they weren't romantically involved

[tepid gust]

So how do they know eachother

And why does Ashe hate mccree

[iron plume]

They started a gang together

[tepid gust]

Deadlock gang right?

[iron plume]

yes

Ashe hates him because she sees him joining OW as selling out to the law

which happened after the gang was busted, or at least disrupted, by OW

[tepid gust]

She thinks he’s a traitor?

[iron plume]

yes
and, well
she's not entirely wrong

he was given a choice of joining Blackwatch or going to jail

he chose to join Blackwatch

[tepid gust]

I though mccree was in talon

[iron plume]

no

[tepid gust]

I mean blackwatch

What’s the difference

[iron plume]

Blackwatch is part of OW

[dawn topaz]

Talon is the bad guys

[iron plume]

it's the covert ops group

[dawn topaz]

They are like...not-overwatch

[iron plume]

Talon is the terrorist organization

[tepid gust]

But they’re the bad guys

[iron plume]

not... really?

they're the sketchy guys

[dawn topaz]

They are anti-heroes, if anything

[iron plume]

doing the work OW didn't want public

[tepid gust]

All the scary guys in blackwatcg

[tepid gust]

Makes sense

[iron plume]

Genji and Cass ain't scary

Reyes wasn't either at the time

[dawn topaz]

I'd say genji is pretty scary

especially his blackwatch suit

[iron plume]

well not in a terrorist sense anyway

Don't engage @tepid gust

[tepid gust]

Isn’t doomfist in talon or blackwatch?

[iron plume]

Talon

[tepid gust]

Yh sry

[iron plume]

Blackwatch doesn't exist anymore

OW was reformed by winston without the shady business division

[tepid gust]

Ooh that’s why reaper hates the monkey

[iron plume]

Some people from BW joined Talon
Namely Reyes/Reaper and Moira but also a bunch of "common" agents

[tepid gust]

Like widow

[iron plume]

no

Widow was never in BW

I'm talking about nameless goon types

[tepid gust]

Just random people

[dawn topaz]

Widow is well...a Widowmaker

[tepid gust]

Btw is sombra the girl in soldiers cinematic?

[dawn topaz]

she makes Widows by killing men

[iron plume]

Widow wasn't an agent or a combatant before Talon got her

[dawn topaz]

no

[iron plume]

no, the cinematic is in the present

and Sombra is 30

[dawn topaz]

she is just a random girl

[iron plume]

She does know Sombra though

[dawn topaz]

like the ugly kids in the trailer cinematic

[tepid gust]

Lmao

[dawn topaz]

I hate those 2

[tepid gust]

Who do you think is gonna be the new hero they said “we’ve seen before”?

[dawn topaz]

Mei

[iron plume]

Mauga is the easiest bet

[tepid gust]

Who tf is mauga

[iron plume]

Do yourself a favor and read What You Left Behind

[dawn topaz]

He is a tank with miniguns

[tepid gust]

Imma Google rq

[iron plume]

and mauga is this guy on the left

Talon enforcer, "friends" with Baptiste

[tepid gust]

Damn he looks like an absolute chad

[iron plume]

They were already making him before switching him over to Sigma because the kit fit a more scientist-y character

[tepid gust]

Babtiste is with talon?

[iron plume]

Used to be

[dawn topaz]

was

[tepid gust]

Oh damn

[iron plume]

he left, which is why what happens in WYLB happens

[tepid gust]

Imma have to go but thanks for teaching me a bit about the lore

[iron plume]

he joined for a paycheck, presumably like many of them

[tepid gust]

Prob cya tmrw

[iron plume]

left cause he couldn't deal with the shit they were doing

[dawn topaz]

I think it's gonna be the pompadour yakuza

[iron plume]

oh goodie a fourth japanese character from the same town

[neon shell]

This finna be my wallpaper

[iron plume]

cool

[dawn topaz]

Ok but him saying "You owe me a lot of money" before shooting you in the head would be great

his passive would be him getting a speedboost if he's low on health

because he's a coward

[iron plume]

See both of your ideas also work for Maximillien who is also much more interesting

[dawn topaz]

his ult is him summoning multiple hashimada henchmen to assist him

[iron plume]

and so would that

except replace hashimoto with talon mooks

[dawn topaz]

I would like for them to add this cool cowboy from ow1

I think his name was mccree

[iron plume]

🙄

[dawn topaz]

maybe he's related to cassidy but idk

[iron plume]

That's enough of that

[dawn topaz]

Maybe the new hero is the previous doomfist as dps

or maybe he becomes the tank while out doomfist returns to his throne in dps himself

[worthy rose]

why does dva have the worst personality

[peak escarp]

he's dead

[iron plume]

I'm guessing he's talking about the OW1 iteration
but in that case too he's dead, just in a different way

[worthy rose]

Who wins sigma or Genji based on lore

[neon shell]

As much as I love genji I’m pretty sure sigma would slap genji around. He has the control of black holes that’s what I’m basing my take on

[worthy rose]

Isn’t Genji like a god in Japanese religion in this universe

[worthy rose]

I think Genji whould win

[whole cedar]

Nah sigma is like the strongest character, manipulating gravity and mini black holes is like, the world most op power

My top 3 would be
Sigma
Doomfist
Prime winton 🦍🦍 (prime meaning rage form)

My reasoning behind prime winton is because he held a fair fight with doom during that one cinematic

[worthy rose]

Meh sigma is mentally messed upped so maybe Genji can confuse him

[whole cedar]

Doom being 2nd is self explanatory like hes absolutely broken in verse (mid ass character ingame)

[neon shell]

Genji still top five tho he’s the goat

[whole cedar]

Yeah still top 5 hes really strong

[split granite]

NEED sojourn skin from her new book

[peak escarp]

isn't that just her default legendary?

[split granite]

Nah they look quite different

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Overwatch_2:_Sojourn

[neon shell]

I need a torb pov ASAP

[karmic turret]

God I love the overwatch lore

The universe is so vast with the different factions, heroes and villains

I'm very excited for the pve side of it

[peak escarp]

I wish Amazon would hurry up and give me the book already

the launch date was Oct 11

[ivory garnet]

doomfist has lost to Orisa and Winston, makes no sense that he is 2nd

[snow coral]

no matter if the game goes to complete shit, the lore and cinematics will be some of the best

[brittle urchin]

is OW2 gon be free for life?

[knotty stream]

probably

[worthy rose]

Yes

[split granite]

Pvp yes
Pve a bit unclear

[past jackal]

I'm gonna mention another games lore here but I think this is a valid question

Who is the better scientist who studies black holes

Lore wise

Sigma Overwatch or Horizon Apex Legends

[peak escarp]

considering Horizon passed through one without any adverse effects, I'd say she's better

[past jackal]

Well there was the affect of going forward in time by like 50 years

[peak escarp]

but otherwise, she seems fine

Sigma's whole psyche got shattered

[dreamy epoch]

what is that melody?

density
mass
momentum

[dense nebula]

However, he himself is able to control gravity as a whole

Without the need of a device to make influence it

[lapis jetty]

Big brain

[bitter kayak]

i just realized when playing as sigma you can only hear the music and no one else can, how the hell did i not notice💀

also whats the song that plays in sigmas ult

lowkey a bop

[worthy rose]

Doomfist forever.

[sullen raptor]

What do u mean without device?

Aint sigma has all the mechanic huge armor that control the gravity

I mean the man is literally floating, that is WITH device

[kindred nimbus]

I think its just an armor or a regulator to keep things near him not floating

Idek rlly

[cunning swallow]

Trecer

[limpid agate]

When you update lorefactions can you move Orisa to Independent as well.

We dont know if she will join the team like the other 3, or is just there for 1 mission like Torb and presumably Zenyatta

[iron plume]

fair

[worthy rose]

guys is mei even op in the lore

[iron plume]

not really no

[keen summit]

Compared to pthers hell no

[zealous zephyr]

Who'd win in an arm wrestle zarya or rein?

I just remmeber the sprays and I've been puzzled for like half an hour

[grand wedge]

i'd say Zarya? Younger and stronger - and also trains a lot?

but arm wrestling require a special technique so.. who knows

[zealous zephyr]

Yeah Zarya is the world's strongest woman, but consider Reinhardt is both a man, bigger build and still works out/is in shape

[bitter kayak]

i have a question

[zealous zephyr]

Go for it

[bitter kayak]

does cassidy have any lore why he changed his name? or we have to pretend that it was his name the whole time

i know why they changed it, im just wondering if theres anything behind it

[zealous zephyr]

I think there's no lore, if so we probably would've had some voicelines from sombra considering she supposedly knew his "real name" and Mccree was an alias

[tepid gust]

who is cassidy

[bitter kayak]

Oh okayy

[tepid gust]

i thought this real name was jessy mccree

i think we just have to accept they changed it

[zealous zephyr]

Yeah I vaguely remember sombra and mccree having an interaction before the entire scandal where she mentions she knows his real name, so I think they should add some lore that mccree just changes his name so often that it's looked past

[zinc basin]

Fr

[dawn topaz]

Just change his name again for no reason but lore relevance

[willow torrent]

so Cassidy and Ashe knew eacher from being in deadlock, Reaper gave Cassidy the option to be part of overwatch, Jack and Reaper are/were? friends, Torbjöurn and Reinhardt are pals, Rein was given the honor to name torbs kid, Bob is Bob, Hanzo killed Genji. Anything else??

[paper gazelle]

Tbh I'll admit the more I hear her English lines the more they give me the vibes of the English dubs for anime/weeb games. But I personally feel her lines in Japanese sound better, although it's ofc not perfect.
I've not watched 22/7 or any other of her anime roles to be able to judge well how good/bad her quality of voice acting is in general, but she's definitely not as well established as other Japanese Seiyūs, and there are some other female Japanese Seiyūs that I prefer over her. But tbf there are not that many (female) Seiyūs that can speak Japanese and English fluently enough, at least to my knowledge.

[paper gazelle]

Pharah is Ana's daughter

[willow torrent]

oh and Moira is Gaelic

[paper gazelle]

Celtic, yes

[willow torrent]

right

she's Irish that's Gaelic, Celtic is us the Scotts and I think the Welsh

and didn't zenyatta mentor Genji?

[elder wasp]

Yes

Iirc

[limpid agate]

If you want to list every connection between heroes

Youll be here for a long time

[paper gazelle]

Hmm I thought so, because Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Welsh all fall under the Celtic family of languages

[willow torrent]

oh thanks

[paper gazelle]

Np

[willow torrent]

there is another mistake on my end too

we never call ourselves Gaelic

it's Irish or the eejits up north

[paper gazelle]

Ah

Understandable then

[willow torrent]

understandable have a nice day

[paper gazelle]

😂

[plain nimbus]

How strong is Reinhardt partner in "Honor and Glory" because he destroyed some orisa but rein couldn't.

[paper gazelle]

Probably stronger, but I can't be sure enough. But he was a Colonel, whereas Reinhardt was a Lieutenant, if I'm not mistaken

[plain nimbus]

Also there's one of the cinematics that hints black watch that opposes the overwatch? Is reaper, widow and doom part of it?

[paper gazelle]

Also OR-14s, not Orisa. Similar, but different too. In fact, Orisa was based on the OR-15, which was based on the hostile OR-14

[plain nimbus]

Oh, is Or-15 like an upgraded version?

And who created these bastions and Or-14's?

[paper gazelle]

All 3 of them are part of Talon, not Blackwatch. Reaper was formerly Blackwatch, which is now defunct

[paper gazelle]

You can say so ig but I'm much more confident in saying that it's a more sentient and peaceful version

[paper gazelle]

Some company called SST Laboratories for the former, dunno for the latter

[plain nimbus]

Oh ok thanks

[rose dagger]

ok so how many heroes are the sons/daughters of other heroes

all i know is brig is torb's daughter

I dont rlly go for lore in games

[paper gazelle]

Bump

[paper gazelle]

So that makes it 2 so far

[rose dagger]

mhm

[plain nimbus]

I feel like they should elaborate more on doom's origin

through cinematics idc

Or did I miss any?

Also do you think orisa can beat doomfist? Because people argue that orisa makes doom shiver.

[paper gazelle]

All I know is that, TL;DR, the first Doomfist is good
The second, rouge and involved in Talon
The third and current one was mentored under the second but then killed the second Doomfist to become Doomfist. And ofc is in Talon

[paper gazelle]

Can is can

[plain nimbus]

What there are different versions of doom?

WhT

[paper gazelle]

Different generations

[iron plume]

Doomfist is a title, carried by three people to date

[rose dagger]

what

never knew that

[keen summit]

Look on numbani map

[keen summit]

She can

[keen summit]

Doom was when he was young a martial artist and his parents had a prosthetics company. He made his arms into prosthetics to make them stronger, got tutored by previous doomfist amd killed him. Was beaten in numbani, got out stole the gauntlet and ran

[iron plume]

also killed one of the Talon leaders after he got out

[keen summit]

Yeah cuz he didnt go for dooms morales

He wanted money doom has different view

[iron plume]

changing their direction from "your typical crime organization about money" to something more about starting shit to move the world

[keen summit]

Yeah

[elder wasp]

So I read somewhere that Null Sectors goal is to create an Omnic Nation. Why can't they just have that?

[keen summit]

One thing im kinda torn on still, in masquerade reaper told doom about sombra talking to volskaya, how did he know

[keen summit]

They are human creations, most of humanity sees em as below them

[iron plume]

we don't know what their goals explicitly are

but if it is to create an "omnic nation", who are you going to take the land for it from?

[keen summit]

In kings row we are legit killing a ton of omnics on attack

[keen summit]

We saw what happened in Australia

[iron plume]

They tried to do that in Australia, and the locals weren't too happy about it

which is where we get Junkertown from

[keen summit]

Yep

Keep in mind it was dond in a civil by government not even fought over, yet the humans destroyed it

Was hoping jq had sum to do with it too but nah

[iron plume]

yeah cause generally that's what happens when the authorities say "oh hey the place where you live? yeah it's those people's now"

even if it's done with the best intentions

[keen summit]

I know but thats why its not smart to give basically terrorist land

[iron plume]

and yeah NS is an even more clear cut case

[keen summit]

Aka null sector

Yea

Like theyll probs give em giod intentions

All heroes even the villain ones have grey or good intentions

Even the worst people

They try to make them seem redeemable atleast or that you can say "well its because A"

Moira and doom both are bad people but with good intentions

[iron plume]

eeh

well they're intentions they think are good anyway

[keen summit]

Well i'd say wanting to evolve humanity and progress Science are quite good ones

[iron plume]

yeah not like that lol

eugenicists wanted to "evolve humanity" too

[plain nimbus]

Quick question, where does sigma stand? Is he some scientific maniac that suddenly has control over black holes

[iron plume]

He isn't aware of his situation

[keen summit]

Doom comes from a misplaced view of a fighter, cuz yes through fighting you do technically get stronger and better, so he believes its the same with general stuff + science has often gone faster during wars. Its just thev goals are good but the means of doinf so

[iron plume]

Talon uses him to wreck shit where they need to but we don't know if he understands what they do

[keen summit]

He just thinks "i got a nice lab! These people are so nice!"

[plain nimbus]

Is there even people working with him

[iron plume]

"and I'm also not tied up in prison!"

[keen summit]

Doesnt need it

[iron plume]

well, "with" is questionable

but some in Talon do talk to him at least

[plain nimbus]

Didn't he went to a mental hosp

[keen summit]

He isnt aware of the bad stuff he does probs

[plain nimbus]

What bad stuff?

[keen summit]

Yeah cuz he went crazy, knowing everything there is in the universe

[keen summit]

violence

[rose dagger]

murder

[plain nimbus]

So basically the cinematic shows him talking to himself? Then what is his goal and purpose?

[iron plume]

His goal is to be left the fuck alone

as far as we know he doesn't buy into Talon's ideology or anything like that

[plain nimbus]

Someone said about him being controlled or smth

[iron plume]

more manipulated but yes

[keen summit]

Thats what i meant tho, they do it for a good cause basically, but also beliebe "because nobody else os willing to do it, i will." Both do things to progress forward but just.. ignore the losses

[keen summit]

Yeah mainly focus on his research.

[plain nimbus]

What year is the civilization currently?

[keen summit]

Not important

Nor ever said

[plain nimbus]

Because I can see that humans are mixed with some zenyatta type shi

[tepid gust]

u guzs prob know what moira shoots out of her hands

[high osprey]

They are prosthetics

[tepid gust]

didnt she transform reaper too?

[iron plume]

yes

[high osprey]

For some reason everyone in overwatch has prosthetics

[tepid gust]

why

[keen summit]

Omnics?

[high osprey]

2080 i think

[plain nimbus]

Bro what, their whole upper body got replaced?

[iron plume]

Because Reaper was sick and dying from a degenerative condition and it's the way she 'fixed' it

[keen summit]

I get why tho if you see how much you can do woth em

[high osprey]

It's a game bro don't think about to much

[keen summit]

You mean omnics?

[plain nimbus]

Yeah

[keen summit]

The robots

[plain nimbus]

I want to

[tepid gust]

is that why he is so depressed?

[iron plume]

Don't spread misinformation plskthx

[keen summit]

Those arent prosthetics my guy

[high osprey]

Nah fr? What are they tho?

[iron plume]

the omnics are robots

[keen summit]

Omnics

Legit robots

[high osprey]

he ment prosthetic limbs bro

Not omnics

[iron plume]

no he didn't

and especially not with the "upper body" comment

[keen summit]

He said "zenyatta like shit"

[tepid gust]

i think its weird that omnics can be in a relationshio with humans in ow

[high osprey]

He also said humans

[plain nimbus]

So are those omnics created by SST Laboratories that created the battle robots too?

[iron plume]

humans mixing with them, as in living together

[tepid gust]

cuy their robots they shouldnt have emotions

[keen summit]

Yes as on civilization

[high osprey]

Oh mb

[keen summit]

Most likely the iris

[iron plume]

advanced robots having emotions has been a staple of sci fi since forever

[tepid gust]

what is the iris

[plain nimbus]

They do. Bastion, those robots after zenyatta for shot

[keen summit]

We dont know yet, lots of omnics have seen it though and sigma met it, most likely an universal will or sum as sogma knows everything about the universe

[carmine spoke]

Can Riiper transform stuff around him into smoke too? Or is him teleporting with his clothes and guns on for convenience sake only so that we don’t see a naked man flying around?

[plain nimbus]

Even if bastion had a battle mode, a bird shouldn't stop him.

[iron plume]

Sigma didn't meet it

[plain nimbus]

So he does have emotions

[kindred nimbus]

Sigma said he talked to the iris zen was like ok cool lool

[tepid gust]

what does zen have to do with bastion, i thought bastion was fighting rein and in the africa map

[keen summit]

He has a line i think about it ive heard bout it

[iron plume]

Bastion didn't fight in the Omnic crisis

[plain nimbus]

Bastion is a robot, and he has emotions.

[iron plume]

his pod never opened back then

[high osprey]

Bastion isnt an omnic

[plain nimbus]

That's what I am saying, that's it.

[iron plume]

yes he is

[tepid gust]

yeah but like bastion was a battle robot right?

what was zen

[high osprey]

Welp my bad again

[plain nimbus]

He didn't, he saw his mates on the ground

[iron plume]

correct

[tepid gust]

no but i mean his type

[iron plume]

The bastion-like units were deployed in OC, but the Bastion never woke up at the time

[kindred nimbus]

Bastions on a kinda sleep mode so he didnt get to fight lol

[tepid gust]

i know that

[high osprey]

I thought omnics we're only humanoid robots

[iron plume]

He did much later, close to the present, and was more self-aware

[tepid gust]

so what is zens purpose, did he also fall asleep and wake up enlighted

[kindred nimbus]

Ye he saw the memory of his bastion fellow

[iron plume]

Not so much fall asleep but yes

[tepid gust]

so the zen type bots were also fighting?

[plain nimbus]

Like he should have remembered the war if he didn't fully die out.

[iron plume]

he was one of the first few omnics to gain sapience

[keen summit]

Sorry for scuffed image but look at subtitles

[high osprey]

What's sigma gotta do with the iris and also whats the iris?

[iron plume]

Probably not, since the Omniums could pump out actual battle robots

[tepid gust]

omniums??

[iron plume]

but the humanoid ones were on the omnic side

the factories that made them

[kindred nimbus]

Free will for bots or something like that

[plain nimbus]

What does that mean, like a Buddha?

[tepid gust]

so who made zenyatta and his fellow nepal guys and why

[iron plume]

Iris is some god-like being that the Omnic monks think gave them sapience

[keen summit]

We dont know alot about it. all we know is that zen gains his powers from it and multiple omnics have seen it and also sigma met it

[iron plume]

they were made in a factory too
just a civilian one

[tepid gust]

ah

[rose dagger]

What are the stories of the game modes like payload and cp

[tepid gust]

what was their initial purpose?

[iron plume]

they weren't made deliberately to become sapient

[plain nimbus]

So that's why zen can heal and all ok

[iron plume]

servants

[tepid gust]

understood

[iron plume]

you seen the butlers in Oasis? that

[keen summit]

I beliebe it to be some universal will as sigma met it which makes sense

[kindred nimbus]

Ye they unlocked something in spiritual

[keen summit]

Not all omnics have seen the iris

[high osprey]

But sigma isn't an omnic tho?

[iron plume]

well Sigma imagines a lot of weird shit so I wouldn't take him at his word

[rose dagger]

anyone know?

[tepid gust]

hes cyborg

[keen summit]

Sigma knows everything about the universe

[plain nimbus]

So zen became sapient under Iris or monks watch?

[iron plume]

just that he believes it happened doesn't mean it did

[keen summit]

He isnt

[tepid gust]

it was a quesiton

forgot the ?

[iron plume]

Zen became sapient somehow, believes it's because of the Iris

[tepid gust]

i dont know anythign exceot whats said in the cinematics

[plain nimbus]

But can he comprehend it? He doesn't even know what is that melody

[high osprey]

Oh that's kinda true, sigma would be powerfull if he wasn't fucked up in the head

[keen summit]

Wouldnt surprise me tbh tho, sigma knows everything about the universe, how unlikely is it if he met something that makes things sentient

[iron plume]

He doesn't

where are you getting "he knows everything about the universe" from

[keen summit]

Legit his lines in game

[plain nimbus]

The universe sings for me?

[iron plume]

again, that just says he thinks he does

[plain nimbus]

Is that what you mean?

[keen summit]

"focus sigma"
"How can one focus when faced with the secrets of the universe"

[iron plume]

also, "secrets of the universe" is not "all secrets of the universe"

[keen summit]

But honestly i dont think ots unlikely, otherwise another theory is thst the iris is legit judt an org, sombra was seen by an iris symbol and looks for "who really runs the world" and an org could just do a widespread program

[tepid gust]

first time i heared sigma i thought my game changed its voiceline to dutch because i am dutch

but sigma is a dutch scientist

[plain nimbus]

Quick question that is quite not relevant, was Hanzo taught by kiriko mom? Or did Hanzo went a different way when he was younger like archery?

[tepid gust]

pretty cool to have someone from my country

[tepid gust]

he has mastered the sword but switched to bow after he killed genji

[iron plume]

Hanzo and Genji were both taught by Asa in swordsmanship
we don't know who taught him archery

[tepid gust]

he didnt want to touch a sword anymore out of shame

[iron plume]

if anyone did

[keen summit]

Might jave just been himself

[plain nimbus]

So does kiriko know swordsmanship or did her mom teaches throwing kunais

[keen summit]

Its a shame sigma isnt really important to the creater story so far but its understandable why as he just was a replacement character for mauga

[keen summit]

She knows swordsmanship too

[plain nimbus]

But she prefers kunais?

[keen summit]

Just watch the origin story

Its all shown

[plain nimbus]

I know I saw it but I am still confused.

Nevermind, pretty obv

[keen summit]

Yeah she just prefers kunai

She doesntvwant to carry a sword everywhere probs

Im withholding myself from ranting about how bad of a character she is

[plain nimbus]

What if the fox god or whatever connected to Iris?

[clear kestrel]

I'm still under the impression the Iris is a god program

[keen summit]

Yeah

Its either a god program which is most likely, an organization or just universal will bs

[plain nimbus]

But either way, junkrat and roadhog have to be the most straightforward lore.

[keen summit]

Nah

Hog is still complicated

[plain nimbus]

Oh wait yeah.

[keen summit]

Kinda

[plain nimbus]

I guess junkrat.

He's just some drunk guy with explosives.

[keen summit]

But as in straightforward with that you can explain it to anyone even if they dont know or??

[keen summit]

He isnt drunk

[tepid gust]

they should put more effort into sigmas story

its the most interesting imo

[plain nimbus]

As in like the complexity in his lore. Like tracer has some ability to teleport and rewind which I don't know myself how it was created. Then Widowmaker, why is she obsessed with murder, spiders and what are her real intentions as a part of Talon? They're all have a deeper storyline. While junkrat just do criminal

[plain nimbus]

I know he isn't. Just my way of saying he looks crazy and dumb

[keen summit]

He was a replacement character so they didnt have much planned

[keen summit]

We know why these are tho

May i ask if you are new to the lore?

[plain nimbus]

Of course we do. We are comparing who got the most complex lore to learn.

[keen summit]

Ahh okay but tbh you could just think tracer just controls time no questions asked

Junk mainly shows the average junkertown person

Which is good

Junk shows that he hates omnic for no apparent reason. Hes crazy but so are the others in junkertown

[keen summit]

But dont you know how tracer's thing works?

Have u watched are origin stories?

Watching all origin stories is the fastest way to learn alot bout the lore

[kindred nimbus]

Project Slipstream: Experiments with a prototype high-speed jet go catastrophically wrong, causing the pilot, Lena Oxton (callsign Tracer) to become unrooted from time

[dawn topaz]

Does that mean that she can time travel?

Like more than just a few seconds

[keen summit]

Technically she can control her body's time, make her move faster withing time (blink) or rewind her body to a previous state (rewind) so basically she could make herself endlessly young

[worthy rose]

It doesn't make much sense either
Like canonically (In game and Animated shorts, particularly Zero hour) she can just "move" directly in Mid air and go any direction, like 30 feet to the left for example
Even though in no single situation would she ever be there in the future, past or present

Her rewind is time travel and the rest is just teleporting with the words "Time travel" donkey tail nailed to it

[high osprey]

Is echo an omnic?

and is she sapient?

[dawn topaz]

She seems to be a seperate being from the typical omnics

[ivory garnet]

Echo is her own machine

[worthy rose]

Omnics im pretty sure are given that name due to their manufacturers
Robots created by "Omniums" are Omnics

[dawn topaz]

So she could pull a back to the future and fall in love with her mother?

[limpid agate]

Tracer cant time travel

[worthy rose]

Think she'd turn into a fetus lmao

[ivory garnet]

Tracer cant time travel

[limpid agate]

She can control her own flow of time

But she cant go to different times

[limpid agate]

So to explain that in the sense of what you were talking about here

[dawn topaz]

Ah, so she could travel back to when she was born, but would turn into a newborn herself

[limpid agate]

There is no real explanation. If you want one, the best you can get it

[ivory garnet]

no

[limpid agate]

Acceleration is Velocity over Time

And she can manipulate her own personal time

[kindred nimbus]

She can only kinda time travel in position

[limpid agate]

She can't time travel.

[ivory garnet]

she would just destabilize and get lost in time again

[limpid agate]

Its like a VCR

You can rewind a VCR tape

But that VCR tape cant go back in time

[worthy rose]

I know there isn't, thats why I find it funny
Also she can manipulate her own time, that doesn't say she can forcefully go a certain direction she hadn't been to/wasn't going
Thats just teleporting lol

[dawn topaz]

That's what I meant, worded it a bit weird there I guess

[limpid agate]

She cant do that

[ivory garnet]

only characters that can teleport are symm, reaper, and sombra

tracer isnt teleporting

[dawn topaz]

So is there a canonical limit to how far tracer can recall?

[kindred nimbus]

Its like coming back to her last position or soemthing

[ivory garnet]

idk how to word her blips, but she cant go that far

and her ult “recall” is just going to a location 15 seconds ago

[dawn topaz]

The power of love will do that to you

[worthy rose]

I'm aware she isn't
Just saying that her time travel ability makes no sense for her advanced movement lol

And it doesn't matter the distance she goes, if she can move 10 feet forwards in mid air without losing her altitude, she's teleporting, not time traveling, she wouldn't be in a place she wasn't going to/has never been/couldn't have gotten to
A thing that is fully canon most likely due to the game and cinematics lol

Again I'm aware its labelled as "Time travel" or "controlling her flow of time" but it makes literally no sense lmao

[ivory garnet]

also the game itself isnt canon, only certain events like retribution and storm rising + voice lines are

[dawn topaz]

I mean, infinite timelines infinite possibilites

it's still asspulling

[kindred nimbus]

Ig her future self got flung then ta da lol

[worthy rose]

Im fairly certain theres one "Timeline" for her lol

[ivory garnet]

theres only 1 timeline

[dawn topaz]

1 timeline, infinite possibilities.

[ivory garnet]

its just creating and rewriting short distances of her flow of time as it doesnt mess with others

[dawn topaz]

Time Travel is always such a problem in fiction with how fate and choice and all those things are explained

I guess she can just fly

after all, she is a pilot

Anyways

Where are the OR1-OR13 skins for Orisa

[limpid agate]

They dont exist

The OR14s are the earliest known model

[dawn topaz]

Why would you call it that if there aren't any previous models?

Then again the xbox 360 exists

[limpid agate]

Looks like you answered your own question

[dawn topaz]

Still, 14 is such a random number

Oh wait

Orisa

Or15-a

Ohhh

I just had a brainblast

[quaint pumice]

This has something to do with the lore confirmed

Omg I can’t post it here apeither

[worthy rose]

damn really? thats kinda lame lol

[limpid agate]

You can post a link to an image

[quaint pumice]

Hmmmmmm

New sigma game confirmed

[noble pendant]

I think it's just cause mortal enemies like Reaper and Soldier being on the same team makes no sense and all the voicelines people like Cassidy have when they kill someone who in lore is close to them

[bitter kite]

Man, sigma is so cool, I really hope he gets more time in the spotlight soon

There’s so many little details about sigma that could be completely overlooked like how in his origin story he writes on a glass pane instead of a whiteboard which is why in his broken state he can envision equations floating in the air

[keen summit]

There isnt a limit, but more like if she rewinds too far she'd well not exist but probs chronal accelerator aldo stops it

[bitter kite]

Seems like tracer is at least bound to a few minutes into the future or past at any given time, whenever doomfist ripped off the accelerator she only started glitching forwards because otherwise we already would’ve seen her glitching before the accelerator was broken

[peak escarp]

she doesn't exactly time travel

she can rewind or fastforward her own position in time, but time still flows forward around her

[dawn topaz]

So she could theoretically rewind back to a kid in kindergarten?

[peak escarp]

no

[dawn topaz]

then what is it

[peak escarp]

think of it like watching a video

[dawn topaz]

So she can't rewind back to the start of the video?

[peak escarp]

you can move the timeline of the video forward and backward, but time around you still moves forward

exactly

[dawn topaz]

why not

[bitter kite]

I mean she still at least seems like she’s only allowed to travel to a time where she still has the chrono accelerator, like a constant save state

[peak escarp]

look at when she recalls in Alive

Widowmaker is aware that she recalls

she reacts to it

[dawn topaz]

Yes I am aware that time still goes on

But I'm talking about tracer specifically

what's stopping her from just rewinding her entire life of her physical being

I'm talking about her, not her surroundings

[sonic rain]

im pretty sure she didnt have the powers when she was a kid either

[peak escarp]

because that's not how it works

[bitter kite]

I feel like we’d need to know more about how tracer reacts without the chrono accelerator

[sonic rain]

she cant control it properly

she kinda fades in and out of reality

[dawn topaz]

this is the kind of answer I was looking for

A clear answer and limit to how far back she could rewind

[sonic rain]

i dont think we have see her rewind further than around a few seconds prior

[dawn topaz]

Which is why I was curious about it

[peak escarp]

we don't know her limit, but we've only seen her recall a few minutes at most

[sonic rain]

it is probably safe to assume that she cant recall past when she obtained the ability to control the powers

[bitter kite]

Like, whenever doomfist rips off the accelerator if it was truly random she’d eventually blink back to a state where the accelerator is still intact or forward to a state where it’s been repaired, but if she’s only allowed to be warped between the time it’s broken and repaired it’s a much more consistent

[dawn topaz]

Yeah I like that theory

[sonic rain]

the accelerator wouldnt rewind with her without it being on her tho right?

[dawn topaz]

on an unrelated note that was a great scene

[sonic rain]

the alive one

?

[dawn topaz]

the one where doomfist rips it off of her

[sonic rain]

oh

right

[dawn topaz]

the entire artstyle was beautiful

[noble pendant]

She regains health to whatever it was 5 seconds ago when she rewinds so her actual physical status carries over but her memories do not. It's definetly not traditional time travel

[noble pendant]

I meant vice versa, her memories carry over and her physical status is altered

[noble pendant]

Where is she when she's not in the timeline?

Between timelines?

[bitter kite]

Looking back over the animated doomfist short, we can see her trying to run twards Winston for help except she blinks forward and back randomly for about 2 seconds before zapping out of reality

[peak escarp]

she's still there physically, she's just desynced from the timeline

[sonic rain]

fading in and out of reality

[dense nebula]

I mainly like it cause I don’t like Tracer

[peak escarp]

like a radio station that's not tuned to the right channel

[gentle eagle]

so tracer is faster than timeline?

[sonic rain]

no

[noble pendant]

Embed fail 😦

[bitter kite]

Rewinds are basically like reloading a save and blinks seem to be tracer temporary speeding herself up

[dawn topaz]

tracer using cheats?

No dignity

[peak escarp]

it does seem to be something she has to activate manually though

[bitter kite]

Bro soldier activates aimbot and widow activates wallhacks

Something important is we know tracer isn’t teleporting herself forwards because she CAN take damage during a blink

By the way, did we ever get more info on sigma besides the origin story and some in-game hints?

[sonic rain]

not really

[bitter kite]

That’s unfortunate

[dawn topaz]

I've read that playing with sigma lets you hear some kind of music

is the melody of his ult meant by that?

[bitter kite]

Occasionally Gnossienne No. 1 plays when you’re sigma, most notably on the character select screen and during the ult

[peak escarp]

it's not exactly Gnossienne No. 1, just a piece inspired by it

[dawn topaz]

what is that melody

[bitter kite]

VERY close, more of a different arrangement since sigma can’t recall what the full melody is

[bitter kite]

https://youtu.be/zuF9MDgkEvI

[peak escarp]

it's supposed to represent the musica universalis, or music of the universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis

but more likely it's just an auditory hallucination caused by his brain damage

[dawn topaz]

neato

[potent kiln]

Hi (I haven't posted here before)
there's an interaction with zenyatta in ow2 where he mentions that he's MET the Iris
it could just be a hallucination or something but if not then thats kinda huge

[peak escarp]

I wouldn't put too much faith into that interaction

he also claims to have spent time with fairies

[potent kiln]

yeah it could just be his insanity talking

[bitter kite]

There’s also an interesting theory that because of sigma’s broken thoughts and basically experiencing life in a non-linear fashion the music is what talon plays for him while he’s not on a mission like how an asylum will typically use music to calm their patients

Or it’s a trigger to go winter soldier mode*

[peak escarp]

not likely

there's no indication that anyone besides Sigma is aware of the melody

[bitter kite]

We do know moira is running different kinds of experiments on him though

[noble pendant]

I mean he is considered Talons "Living weapon" I see no reason they would play music for him?

[peak escarp]

he's not considered a living weapon, they don't even use him for missions

they keep him in a lab

doing research

[noble pendant]

Hmm, lemme go take a peek at where I found that out and I'll be back

[bitter kite]

The origin story supposedly shows what it’s like living as sigma, his mind is constantly warping forward and back through his life, he’ll be in his lab and then wake up in the asylum then appear back at the experiment, he constantly sees floating equations similar to his glass whiteboard or he acts like he’s completely at peace while on the battlefield

[noble pendant]

"Sigma is an eccentric astrophysicist and volatile tank who gained the power to control gravity in an orbital experiment gone wrong. Manipulated by Talon and deployed as a living weapon, Sigma’s presence on the battlefield cannot be ignored."

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Sigma

@peak escarp

[peak escarp]

[bitter kite]

He’s both being used as a weapon and exploited for his work, this is Moira we’re talking about

[peak escarp]

yet another thing the new bio pages have messed up

[dawn topaz]

I mean if he was dead he couldn't be a weapon

[sonic rain]

h ewasnt dead

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen him used on missions yet

but it's likely they will use him in the future

[dawn topaz]

exactly, that's why he's a weapon

a living weapon is only a weapon as long as it lives

[noble pendant]

We've seen him geared up with other Talon field agents at the end of his origin story

[bitter kite]

He is explicitly being turned into a superweapon by talon, talon does that to nearly all of their members anyways, moira even does it to herself

[noble pendant]

What points to the fact that he is not used in battle/missions?

[bitter kite]

I’m pretty sure it’s been shown he goes on missions as “experiments”

[noble pendant]

Guess the difference is that Widow, Reaper and Moira herself have gotten experimented on by Moira while Sigma did it to himself

[peak escarp]

interviews from when Sigma was added all say he's kept in a lab, not used on missions

[peak escarp]

the origin story isn't told in a linear fashion, making me think the shot at the end is him in the future, his possible final form

[noble pendant]

Interesting... And from what he says in the origin story he may even be working with Talon scientists to become more powerful and harness gravity better

[bitter kite]

This video very heavily implies he’s occasionally used for “experiments” that involve how effective his tools are for combat purposes https://youtu.be/nWEpjzgMqyU

[noble pendant]

"He's unaware he's being used as a Living Weapon"?

[noble pendant]

And seeing battle as experiments?

Is his mind really that split that he goes on missions thinking everything's in a controlled environment?

[peak escarp]

possibly

but we still haven't seen him go on any missions

[noble pendant]

Isn't every match a "mission"?

[peak escarp]

the game isn't canon

[bitter kite]

Yeah? He has multiple personality disorder and a heavy case of dementia

[peak escarp]

he does not

[high osprey]

But interactions are right?

[peak escarp]

interactions are "what if"s

it's like playing with action figures