lore-discussion

[limpid agate]

That image is mostly the only place they're mentioned

[nova sphinx]

Does Symm not have an origin story/cinematic trailer? I cannot find anything on YouTube

[peak escarp]

not all the heroes have them

only post-launch heroes, Tracer and Soldier

[nova sphinx]

Noted, thanks

[peak escarp]

Symmetra has a comic (A Better World) and a short story (Stone by Stone)

[split granite]

Hello gc

[dreamy epoch]

another member of meka squad could be interesting
I think shooting star was a good short though

yeah obviously

"i need help but actually i don't because i'll do it myself" is not the greatest

but how the short explores how hana actually is as opposed to the star she's supposed to be is nice

that and her appearance in new blood made me happy that she's not one dimensional

[stoic marlin]

Shooting star was awful, d.va lore is butt

[dreamy epoch]

awful as in

not well animated? voiced?

doesn't explain her relationship with the other person involved in the short?

like what kind of groundbreaking lore do you want from a young adult who plays video games, is celebrated as an icon nationally, and has to defend her country at a fairly young age

[split granite]

[sonic rain]

i really liked that animation

anyways, why does most of the lore have to be sad

[grand wedge]

No drama = boring story

[reef jacinth]

because we live in a modern society

[drifting viper]

We live in a society- junkrat

[peak escarp]

I don't think most of the lore is sad

[worthy rose]

This would be so cool

Also the conversations btw genji and kiriko are so funny

The bowl cut one😭

[ivory garnet]

wait till you see her on her bike

[ivory garnet]

the tank can use a Kanabo or sumn

[worthy rose]

That would be awesome

Their whole story is so cool I really love it

[ivory garnet]

we’re also just missing a Junk support

[worthy rose]

Hm yea

[drifting viper]

Why does kiriko not sound Japanese

Is there a lore reason

[peak escarp]

because her VA is American

there isn't a lore reason

[sonic rain]

quite a bit turns out to be happy

[peak escarp]

she speaks more Japanese than Hanzo

[sonic rain]

but a lot stems from a sad moment

like tracers backstory was sad cause she couldnt control her blinking

[peak escarp]

the overall message of Overwatch is optimistic

[sonic rain]

yes ofc

[peak escarp]

saying that good things can happen despite bad things

[sonic rain]

but like the singular characters are kinda sad

[peak escarp]

Tracer was able to turn her accident into a gift

[sonic rain]

i think most of the 'bad' characters were basically gaslit

[peak escarp]

gaslit?

[sonic rain]

lied to

[peak escarp]

how so?

[sonic rain]

sigma, was overwhelmed, adn then moira 'fixed' the gravity thing

[peak escarp]

gaslighting isn't just lying

[sonic rain]

bit hard to remember exact examples of the top of my head

lying to get them to do something

[peak escarp]

Moira didn't "fix" Sigma

[sonic rain]

sigma can atleast control it now

then moira used it to her advantage

basically did the same thing with reaper

widowmaker aswell

[peak escarp]

Reaper wants vengeance against people he believes aren't being punished

[sonic rain]

like i think doomfist is the only one that wasnt manipulated by moira

[peak escarp]

Sombra wasn't

Doomfist wasn't

[sonic rain]

i forgot sombra

[white isle]

i thought he just liked killing people... 💀

[split granite]

Hello gc

No

Reaper actually the most misunderstood character
He is so much more than just skull evil kill

[white isle]

yeah, i dont follow up on his lore too much

[split granite]

Fair enough

[tall sleet]

My evil skull boy is more than just a terrorist 🥺

Tragic story still a shite “person”

[sonic rain]

yeah he was never a good person

but he got exploited

[ivory garnet]

no he wants vengeance against Overwatch and those who need to be punished

he was a good soldier pre-reaper until some things set him off

Moira never really manipulated Reaper either. She just used him for an experiment which granted him his power. It was a success but also a fail.

[white isle]

ah right right

[split granite]

Back in his earlier years he was

Police officer and then super soldier and then leader of overwatch
Even in blackwatch he just wanted to make a difference

[sonic rain]

i think he was like egotistic though right

when he was leader of overwatch

and cause of that they drove im out of ow

[limpid agate]

He was leader 30 years ago and was happy to step down

That wasnt it

[paper gazelle]

Well she does when she speaks Japanese, but I think what you mean is that she doesn't have that Japanese accented English? Yep
Despite Sally Amaki having pursued a voice acting career in Japan prior to her role for Kiriko

[paper gazelle]

That said I've also seen a few people who take the opposite side and complain that the lore is too bright (and should be darker)

[keen stump]

who’s the strongest character in OW lore wise

[paper gazelle]

Should be Sigma

[keen stump]

nice, thx

[limpid agate]

Its debatable between 4 heroes

Sigma, Winston, Orisa, and Symmetra

[fathom oxide]

Nice name lmao and yes I agree

[keen stump]

symmetra? she’s that strong in lore?

[sonic rain]

it is sigma

no debate

[limpid agate]

There is debate.

[sonic rain]

he controls black holes

[limpid agate]

No he doesnt

[sonic rain]

he does

that is what is giving the gravitational pulls

[paper gazelle]

HAHAHAHA ty

[limpid agate]

Sigma is able to manipulate gravity, but beyond that we dont know much of his powers. He has very little screentime and his origin story is very questionable

[sonic rain]

orisa is big robot

winston is monkey

[paper gazelle]

Well in lore she can construct a lot of sophiscated stuff or sth

[sonic rain]

angry monkey

[limpid agate]

Symmetra is basically the green lantern. Her limits are unknown but the types of things she can do are absurd. She can build structures up to a kilometer tall, and can build entire physics-defying machinations in seconds

[keen stump]

like what stuff? that’s wild

[keen stump]

wtffff

[paper gazelle]

The message above yeah

[limpid agate]

She built an entire city's infrastructure in minutes

[keen stump]

that’s busted lmfao

[limpid agate]

Or something along those lines

Winston is a mary sue who is inexplicably the strongest character physically and mentally

He beat Doomfist in a fist fight

And Doomfist was using the gauntlet

He outpunched the gauntlet

[keen stump]

i knew winston was stronger than doomfist but i figured he’d be in like top 5 at least lol, been awhile since i’ve read up on lore, these characters crazy

[limpid agate]

And Orisa has hard light capabilities and is the most durable hero in the universe.

We dont know her defensive limits

But its unknown if Winston or Sigma can displace her

[dense nebula]

Let’s put it this way

Winston can displace Doomfist

Doomfist lost to Orisa

Ergo Winston may have trouble displacing her

[limpid agate]

Thats what I said, its unknown

X > Z
Y > Z

We dont know if X > Y or Y > X

Winston is the strongest character we understand

[dense nebula]

I wonder how badly damaged Orisa got in the fight with Doomfist

[limpid agate]

But we dont understand Orisa, Symmetra, and Sigma

[dense nebula]

Surely it wasn’t a steamroll on Orisa’s part

[limpid agate]

They have too little screentime

[limpid agate]

It wasnt, but that wasnt the current version of Orisa

[dense nebula]

True

[limpid agate]

That was a stock model with a paint job and a lasso

[dense nebula]

And I’m sure even Doomfist learned some new tricks

[limpid agate]

She's been heavily upgraded since

[dense nebula]

Doomfist/Orisa is the only rivalry I truly care about in the lore atm

Because they’re both so fucking cool

[worthy rose]

I feel like it would be cool to see more of characters like Symmetra and Bastion in new stories, we don’t really see them often

[fathom oxide]

And sigma, literally only seen him once

[halcyon crow]

Sigma cinematic when

They should buff sigma but make a melody play in your headphones drowning out all noises for the duration of the game

(What is that melody!?)

[peak escarp]

that would be terrible

[ruby harness]

What is Cassidy/Mcree's real identity?

Is Mcree a cover name or what?

[alpine pawn]

sigma is the tank with more damage, like if he trows rock basic your death or in your way

[peak escarp]

Cole Cassidy is his real name

Jesse McCree was his alias

[ruby harness]

I see

[worthy rose]

Hoping OW2’s PvE has villain missions too

Like a Talon mission with characters like Reaper, Widow, Sombra, and maybe Akande

[faint geyser]

Did kiriko know about genjis "death"?

[ivory garnet]

no info

[slow orbit]

how dose this effect the legecy of lebron

[ivory garnet]

cuz lebron is dead in the 2070s

[cunning badge]

How did bastion get his armor upgraded

[peak escarp]

Torbjorn upgraded it

[cunning badge]

More likely

[round prairie]

Torbörn solos the entire verse

It is in the canon he is the most powerful being in the Overwatch universe

He is stated to be the creator of the iris

And has the ability to upgrade anything with his magic hammer

He just solos the verse

[cunning badge]

Bro torb is short and he can convince the authority to not fire on bastion

[round prairie]

He does not convince them

He commands them

Because even tho he is not in his true form, people still subconsciously know he is all powerful and listen to him

[cunning badge]

Yea but fails

Bastion yes torb did make but he design it be be more deadly than anyone

[round prairie]

Wrong, he did succeed, but the evil omnic god the Iris(who betrayed Torb in the celestial realm) took control of there minds and shot bastion. Torb can also bring anyone to god status if he wanted

Trust me it’s lore accurate

[cunning badge]

What ever floats your boat

[glacial delta]

is there a rhino skin you can get that looks like the one off the halloween main screen/transition screens, or is it a possible hint towards a new rhino type character

[sonic rain]

where is this?

i think you are looking at reinhardt

[worthy rose]

yea it’s probably reinhardt😂

[torn elm]

Are hanzo and genji siblings?

[peak escarp]

yes

they're brothers

[lapis jetty]

What da hell

[peak escarp]

just ignore them

[lapis jetty]

Ik

So

[torn elm]

Called it

[lapis jetty]

Why don't we see more crusaders tho

Did most of them die or something

Or retire?

[peak escarp]

probably

the crusaders were active 30 years ago

[lapis jetty]

Makes sense

Is it specified on what torb's other daughters do and what thier occupations are?

[peak escarp]

nope

we don't know anything about his other children

[lapis jetty]

Lame

We need jetpack cat

[kind crag]

Oh my good lord that pfp😻😻😻

AND THE BANNER

I automatically love you as a friend

[lapis jetty]

So

Is there any lore insight as to why ||mccree's|| name was changed to cassidy?

[ivory garnet]

no confirmation yet I believe

best theory is Mcree was his alias

and Cole Cassidy is his government name

[grand wedge]

Not really. They did a tweet that could have been interpreted as an alias he took at some point but since he will never be referred this dead name ever again it’s more of a retcon

Like, in Deadlock Rebels, he would have been named Cole Cassidy if the books weren’t printed yet. It’s been done in the translated version of it.

[lapis jetty]

Horrible execution.

[topaz palm]

Why widow purple?

[ivory garnet]

surgery made her heart slow down so much

[lapis jetty]

She was captured and essentially tortured in some type of MKULTRA program by Talon and was experimented on by them. They reduced her body functions and heart functions to the point where she couldn't feel any sort of emotional response. She was made into the perfect assassin by Talon and was used to manipulate and eventually kill her own husband, who was an agent of overwatch.

That's why her skin's purple. She's in a sort of state where she's alive, and yet she kind of isn't.

At least that's my interpretation.

[topaz palm]

Fuck up fr

Hope we get lore for her to be restored

[cursive turtle]

what is the lore behind why kiriko only eats donuts for dinner

[gray flame]

Funni

(Dev humor basically)

(Haha teen only want sugar 🤪)

Or she has diabetes type 2

Maybe a possibility

[noble pendant]

When Blizzard said "The next character is gonna be someone we've seen before" along with the basic info that its a male tank, that does NOT narrow it down. We've seen a SHIT ton of male characters with tank potential

Here's some examples:

-Storm Rising Null Sector Ending Robot
-Mauga
-Sanjay

Heck, with them adding characters to the factions (Junkertown, Overwatch, Talon) I wouldnt be surprised if a faction with 1 character representing would get a second.

Like Zen getting a related Nepal Monk character, D.va getting a related Mecha Squad character, Pharah getting a related Helix Security character or Zarya getting a related russian character.

Or they could just make a character for a completely new faction that we've seen before, like Null Sector, Hashimotos or the Diamondbacks

[barren panther]

a hashimoto character would be cool imo since genji hanzo and kiriko don’t exactly have any outright enemies in the cast, it could also set up more of hanzos story line cus i feel like they’re definitely trying to develop his character atm

[barren panther]

and i think a new humanoid omnivore character like zen is a good idea tbh, i’m surprised there’s not more since they created a whole new race and didn’t use them much

[noble pendant]

Something like Lynx17, Bars or Maximilian

I think they kinda been abandoning that Omnic stuff, there was a lot about it in the early days but the more time has gone the less we've seen them

[barren panther]

didn’t realise it auto corrected to omnivore lol

but yeah i feel like it would be rly cool to bring back more of the omnivore stuff, be a good chance to give torb and zarya more racist voice lines too lol

[grand wedge]

My bet is on SR Omnic

Won’t be Mauga

[noble pendant]

And now Junker Queen

"Are you on average more mechanical or more human?"

"Why?"

"Just tryna figure out if I should scrap ya for parts"

"Consider the railgun before making your decision"

[noble pendant]

A leaker said it would be but honestly I prefer the SR Omnic or Max

[topaz palm]

Where was echo being shipped to?

[noble pendant]

It was confirmed to be a military train so perhaps between US military bases or smth

[topaz palm]

Ty

Cole cassidy, cole cassidy, cole cassidy.
U called?
I just like saying your name.

W voicline

[noble pendant]

Some people theorize that Echo was supposed to be a healer due to her creator not wanting to make another hostile robot and that talon re-programmed her to deal damage

[topaz palm]

Oh

I don’t think so

Dosent add up

[dreamy epoch]

it depends on how you interpret gameplay lore parity

or like
which was thought of first in this case
echo has existed for a while cause of reunion

but I believe there was the idea that her kit was originally going to be that of a support's

so taking that in, the related lore could have been modified so that liao didn't give her weapons, as to keep her legacy clean

It's not that big of a concern because echo is still an AI so weapons or not built in she has the choice to not use them but the development of the character seemed kinda all over the place when I went back through some of the stuff

[split granite]

Hello gc

[split granite]

That’s an old one but it doesn’t really make any sense now

[grand wedge]

Echo was supposed to be a support but her ultimate duplicate didn’t fit the support role so she became a dps because of that

[noble pendant]

Guess it's outdated then

[white cobalt]

Are they gonna use underwater map? Or like the one where they used to present Hammond submarine skin.

This background

[worthy rose]

is sigma a lunatic?

[queen dew]

well he hears the universe singing

[grand wedge]

No

[worthy rose]

i mean

[grand wedge]

He just get lost in his own head from time to time

[worthy rose]

why did he get imprisoned

is there something wrong with him?

[grand wedge]

Because he suffered from his brief exposure to a black hole he created

His mind and body were ripped apart briefly

And he was surrounded by gravitational anomalies

(He float and some things were floating around him)

[worthy rose]

and why did he say "what is that melody"

is he hearing things?

[grand wedge]

He says he hear some music

Could be the sound of the universe

There are some theories about it - a lot of astrophysicist compare the Universe to a music sheet or something? I don’t exactly remember

[bitter kayak]

Also when you start to main sigma, You can hear the music with him

And then you slowly go insane, so how you cope is play overwatch repeatedly till your body can't handle it and pass out. Your family and friends slowly find out and try to stop you, they did and how? Lock you in the basement till you go back to normal, but the whole 57 hours of staying in the basement, you slowly forget overwatch. But the music keeps on replaying in your head. You let it slide, but as soon you get out of the basement. It keeps on repeating and drives you insane again. What is that melody?

[barren panther]

what about that zephyr guy that people have been talking about for a bit

[copper patrol]

There's overwatch lore?

[split granite]

Yeah

A lot of it

Overwatch lore is unrivalled by other fps games

[noble pendant]

Eh, he's based off a poster and people just like him cause he looks cool I'm pretty sure

[noble pendant]

He liked music before the accident, maybe he was even listening to it in his lab when it happened or it's just a product of his insanity

Just some theories

[grand wedge]

Yeah he was quite fond of music and was eccentric before the accident so

[split granite]

WHAT IS THAT MELODY

[worthy rose]

the ol ludwig van

[grand wedge]

ah, i found it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis - for that theory about the music Sigma hear could be linked to that concept of musica universalis

[alpine pawn]

so is pretty much canon junkrat is a crazy genius no?

[peak escarp]

kinda

he's got very specific knowledge of explosives

[clear kestrel]

is it established where he got the cybernetics from?
or if he made them himself?

[alpine pawn]

he also has a line with sigma where he recognizes niche theories and knows the periodic table

[alpine pawn]

his in game lines seems to insinuate he does everything he has by hand

so yeah i would say he knows a lot of applied sciences more than one would guess

[clear kestrel]

yeah I think he's smart as fuck

he's just not wise

[peak escarp]

we don't know

there are probably people in Junkertown who can make them

like Bruce

[alpine pawn]

yeah fair tho we know he makes his bombs himself

so hes prob smart but yeah hes not wise and he has no formal education that we can tell

[peak escarp]

learn by experience

[split granite]

I’m pretty sure junkrat just makes his own cybernetics considering he’s banned from entering junkertown anyway

[alpine pawn]

he was banned not that long ago tho

he has them in roadhogs comic in junkertown if i remember

[peak escarp]

yeah he had them before he got kicked out

[summer sonnet]

no way ppl still saying
Winston > Doomfist

[alpine pawn]

winston defeated doomfist

and no im not counting he had help cause he literarly one punch kod him

[summer sonnet]

3v1 + doomfist broke every bone in winstons body

[summer sonnet]

energy

[alpine pawn]

he didnt lol

[summer sonnet]

• distraction

[summer sonnet]

he did 💀

[alpine pawn]

distraction? he was seeing him up front did you not even see the short?

[summer sonnet]

doomfist slams everyonr in the verse with an exception of sigma

[summer sonnet]

tracer was zapping around

[alpine pawn]

he was also defeated by orisa

[summer sonnet]

imma need some proof

[alpine pawn]

yeah but he already had defeated her by the time winston was back up so not counting it

[alpine pawn]

heroe of numbani

[summer sonnet]

ok so soon is stronger

also winston got enraged cause of what was happening to his friends

and he was bloodlust

unlike doomfist

[alpine pawn]

yeah but thats his normal strenght winston just doesnt use it

[summer sonnet]

1v1 both bloodlust
Doomfist slams the living shit out of winston

[alpine pawn]

isnt like he has to ult charge in lore

[summer sonnet]

ur acting like doomfist always goes all out

bro he nearly killed tracer and genji both with 1 punch

[alpine pawn]

he does, why would doomfist hold back his whole thing is testing himself against others

[summer sonnet]

cause he has a while terrorist organisation

whole*

[alpine pawn]

im not saying he didnt but their both uncomparable in strenght to him and a mutated gorilla

[summer sonnet]

doomfist a gauntlet

[limpid agate]

What is the topic at hand

[summer sonnet]

doomfist vs winston

[limpid agate]

Winston is stronger.

Winston is a mary sue

Its not a contest

[summer sonnet]

doomfist slams my boy

😭

[limpid agate]

Doomfist lost a fist fight to Winston

With the gauntlet

Winston outpunched it

[alpine pawn]

winston isnt just a gorilla hes a mutated gorilla hes bigger and stronger than a normal one and a normal gorilla is already stronger than a human

[limpid agate]

Winston is a Mary Sue

[summer sonnet]

3v1 doomfist broke all of winstons bones
winston was bloodlust while doomfist wasn’t
also was doomfist first battle in a while

[limpid agate]

That last point is objectively false

[summer sonnet]

bro he was in prison

[limpid agate]

... That was before he was arrested

That was the fight that put him into prison

That was 6 years ago

[summer sonnet]

ohhh

still

those other 2

[alpine pawn]

also again theres not a magic power up in ow that is called bloodlust winston was just angry and hit doom hard

[limpid agate]

Those other two did nothing

[summer sonnet]

that’s what being bloodlust is

he is desperately trying to take down doomfist

he was using all his power

[rotund ermine]

Because Mary Sue x Deus Ex Machina

Winston is plot armor

[alpine pawn]

yeah but one would think doomfist could just like punch him back if he was stronger?

[limpid agate]

And he couldnt

Winston is stronger

Its not up for debate.

[summer sonnet]

doomfist broke all his bones dawg 💀

[rotund ermine]

Winston is a Mary Sue

That’s all there is to it

[limpid agate]

Doomfist did not break his bones

Do you not know what a mary sue is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

[alpine pawn]

yeah idk where ya got that he broke his bones

[summer sonnet]

yes he did

[limpid agate]

No, he didnt

Do not make up false lore

[summer sonnet]

i’m not 💀

[limpid agate]

Then provide your source

I'll save you some time

It doesn't exist

[rotund ermine]

That’s literally one example

an idealized character who is talented at everything and has no meaningful flaws but may have a tragic backstory.

[alpine pawn]

yeah winston has plot armor but hes canonically very strong ill say he was more mary sue in his fight with reaper

[summer sonnet]

doomfist shit stomps winston
both wanna desperately kill eachother
fair 1v1

[rotund ermine]

He beat the guy who’s entire archetype revolves around his fist. Because he’s a genetic monkey

It’s just plot devices

[summer sonnet]

doomfist slams

[limpid agate]

Doomfist does not shit stomp Winston

[summer sonnet]

he rly does

[alpine pawn]

okay we get it you like doomfist

[rotund ermine]

He should but the authors don’t want it to be consistent

[limpid agate]

You can't just say "my favourit ehero is stronger than the strongest hero in the game"

You have to look at it objectively

[rotund ermine]

Cuz technically reaper is stronger than winston lmao

[alpine pawn]

theres still two chars that have canonically beat him

[summer sonnet]

cause it’s plot around were talking abt no plot

[limpid agate]

Doomfist is strong. Probably the second strongest hero physically

[summer sonnet]

winston gets plot armour

[limpid agate]

But only physically

Winston is stronger

Doomfist is in top 5 for sure.

[summer sonnet]

and he’s number 2

behind sigma

[limpid agate]

Not necessairly

But the strongest hero is debatable between Sigma, Winston, Orisa, and Symmetra,

[alpine pawn]

hes still stronger even without plot armor, his plot armor is mostly against reaper lol

[summer sonnet]

LOL

[rotund ermine]

How about when reaper basically knocked out winston with 4 shots

[alpine pawn]

yes

[summer sonnet]

Doomfist slams Winston
Orisa and Symetra

[rotund ermine]

Reaper literally dog walked winston and lost cuz he was cocky so is reaper not top 3 canonically

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[alpine pawn]

well those were shotgun shots and we arent very sure if their even normal bullets

[rotund ermine]

They aren’t

Point being he beat winston and very fast

[limpid agate]

If you're just going to keep spamming random bullshit and ignoring the lore as reference

That's just going against the purpose of the channel

[summer sonnet]

how am i ignoring anything

[reef merlin]

Sigma is still in talon right?

[alpine pawn]

yeah like we get you like doomfist but dont missus the channel in a pointless discussion

[limpid agate]

Yes

[summer sonnet]

it was a 3v1 and doomfist took 2 of them down and nearly took down winston

[summer sonnet]

imprisoned but yes

[limpid agate]

Not imprisoned

If you dont know the lore, dont answer people's questions

[alpine pawn]

look maybe if they fought again doomfist may win but until that happens we wont know

[limpid agate]

That is how misinformation spreads

[summer sonnet]

i do know lore

[limpid agate]

You dont. You didnt even know the timelining on the Doomfist fight

[rotund ermine]

Doom effortlessly took down Genji and tracer. Nearly 1 Shit winston but because winston got all mad he beat the character completely designed around his gauntlet because yea

[summer sonnet]

i just don’t spent every second of my life studying it cause i play the game

[rotund ermine]

I would be cool with it if winston beat him in any other way, but In a fist fight? That’s dumb to me

It’s bad faith

[summer sonnet]

winston is just plot armour

[alpine pawn]

eh again hes a mutated gorilla

[summer sonnet]

i gtg now cause ur all neeks who shit themselves when someone disagrees with u

[alpine pawn]

i know enough of gorilla to be afraid of one with steroids tbh

[rotund ermine]

Oh no mutated gorilla when mad Vs a potentially sky scraper leveling gauntlet on top of a man enhanced with cybernetics through his entire body

Bad faith, bad plot armor to me.

Tracer bullets completely bounced off of him

[alpine pawn]

we dont know if he can level skyscrapers no? thats just something that kid in the cinematic said

[rotund ermine]

That’s why I said “potentially”

[alpine pawn]

honest i cant recall

[limpid agate]

He cant actually level skyscrapers

[rotund ermine]

There’s no proof on either side

He can, maybe he can’t. Haven’t seen it, doesn’t mean it could never happen

[limpid agate]

We've seen him punch shit in Hero of Numbani and in the origin trailer.

[peak escarp]

"They say he could level a skyscraper" is just part of the legend around Doomfist

[rotund ermine]

It’s still plausible even if it’s never been seen yet. And it’s not like the universe is so prehistoric that legends don’t have any bit of truth to it

[alpine pawn]

besides we dont know which doomfist

[rotund ermine]

But yea

Might just be a legend, either way they did a huge disservice to his character letting another character beat him in a fist fight

[peak escarp]

it was said about the current Doomfist

[rotund ermine]

It’s just goofy

[alpine pawn]

oh okay

[peak escarp]

no reason to think the kid meant a different one

[scenic narwhal]

fax

[alpine pawn]

so the first doomfist was a heroe and the second was scourge no?

[peak escarp]

yes

the first Doomfist was a hero during the crisis

the second Doomfist was a Talon leader

[swift oak]

Having closure on his identity and having him have a battle with current doom would be nice

[peak escarp]

the third (current) Doomfist killed the second and took his place

[alpine pawn]

thats why junkrat says "guys i got the doomfist"?

[worthy rose]

whos the strongest villain and whos the weakest in overwatch (character)

[peak escarp]

weakest is Mei

[alpine pawn]

xd

[fathom oxide]

Sigma is one of if not the strongest

[alpine pawn]

i would say weakest villain is lacroix

[peak escarp]

she has the least experience

[worthy rose]

is sigma a villain

[fathom oxide]

Kinda

[worthy rose]

oh i thought he was someone being controlled

[fathom oxide]

he’s with talon, but he’s mentally unstable so

[worthy rose]

is talon good?

[peak escarp]

he's being lied to and kept in a lab

he doesn't know he's working with Talon

[fathom oxide]

I’d say he’s not much of a villian then

Doomfist probably the strongest villian, or Moira

[worthy rose]

id say thats a victim than villian

[alpine pawn]

no they purposefully cause conflict in the world

[worthy rose]

what are doomfist powers and abilitys

[fathom oxide]

He has the doomfist

plus he’s a talon leader, physically strong without the doomfist as well

[worthy rose]

is the doomfist just a big gauntlet thats it?

[peak escarp]

he's also a very charismatic person

able to get into Reyes's head

[molten shore]

Is there any other dead lock characters that could potentially become heros in comics

[peak escarp]

Bars could be interesting, but she's another sniper

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Bars

[molten shore]

Yeah probably not

They're mostly omnics right

I forgot who was in the gang

[limpid agate]

Theres a list on the wiki

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Deadlock_Rebels#Known_Members

[south wasp]

Nice i like snipers

[worthy rose]

How does rein feel about bastion

[grand wedge]

For now they haven’t met yet - but they will

[worthy rose]

Oh boy

[grand wedge]

And the first encounter, Rein seems to charge Bastion on sight xD

[limpid agate]

Aaand I already had to edit the wiki

[grand wedge]

We only had the visual, not the audio so…

[split granite]

No

[solar sedge]

bars with a dmr type thing would be cool or scoped ar

[cinder rose]

whats blackwatch

[grand wedge]

it was the black ops division of Overwatch

[cinder rose]

oh

[lapis jetty]

Im waiting for mauga

[grand wedge]

wait until 2023 then ^^

[lapis jetty]

Next month a tank hero is going to be released.

I'm assuming it'll be mauga.

[tacit stag]

When did Roadhog have a dead daughter? I've been playing this game for years and somehow I missed this 💀

[peak escarp]

he doesn't

[fathom oxide]

?? Who told you this

[tacit stag]

8 people on tiktok said so

Reliable source

[lapis jetty]

LOL

Why trust that place out of any other place?

[tacit stag]

Apparently its canon that he has one because "the devs just said so" and a heroes of the storm promotial video with a fist being thrown at a tv with a picture of a girl with a pig plushie

Wtf

[fathom oxide]

I wouldn’t trust tiktok bruh

[tacit stag]

Probably new gens

They all think mercys revive is canon trollolol

[fathom oxide]

You’re not serious

[leaden fjord]

Aren't we supposed to get a Sojourn cinematic

You guys think we'll see it on the finals

[peak escarp]

what promo is this? I've never seen it

also the devs have never said Roadhog had a daughter

[tacit stag]

Not exactly a promo but a update thing im not familiar with heroes of the storm but lemme get it

[peak escarp]

oh

Heroes of the Storm

[tacit stag]

https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/1023614129762791425?t=CxuoccxCq33xoLlsNwqH8w&s=19 they said the black hand at the end was roadhog

💀💀💀💀

[fathom oxide]

Road hog ain’t black??

[peak escarp]

HotS isn't canon to Overwatch

also that's not Roadhog's voice

[tacit stag]

One just replied to me

Sent me a link to the ow wiki for roadhogs voicelines

Apprently its listed there but im too busy to check

Fextea life?

Fextra

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Roadhog/Quotes

nothing there

literally nothing, it's been gutted

[tacit stag]

Where the hell did they get their sources from

What if its gaslighting

[peak escarp]

there is no source

[tacit stag]

I fell into their trap fr

[peak escarp]

the community likes to make things up

people like to think he had a daughter to explain why he likes pachimari/cute things

can't a guy just like cute things for himself?

as far as we know, the only heroes with any children are Ana, Torbjorn and Reaper

don't get your lore from tiktok

[lapis jetty]

Ong I like taking my plushes to school sometimes and hanging out with them cause they cute asf

[split granite]

Never heard anything more true

[fathom oxide]

Tiktok is the last place you should be going for anything

[lapis jetty]

And this is coming from a guy who used to be in football and does martial arts.

[peak escarp]

exactly

[lapis jetty]

Thinking of getting a pachimari tho

[peak escarp]

let people like what they like, don't go looking for deeper meaning

[lapis jetty]

Ong

Roadhog is the g

[molten shore]

Tik tok is the most braindead platform in existence

[lapis jetty]

Homie has ptsd and shit like fuck let him chill out.

[fathom oxide]

True

[lapis jetty]

Didn't they do a challenge where they attempted to get hit by a car and see if they survived, as well as cooking chicken layered with gallons of nyquil?

[split granite]

Yeah…

[fathom oxide]

What tf 💀

[lapis jetty]

Sometimes I wonder why my generation is as stupid as it is.

[molten shore]

If you post any clips you'll get comments like "pressed one button" -🤓

[digital forum]

I dunno if it was tik tok but I'm pretty sure some people tried to overdose on benadryl to get high

[lapis jetty]

Do you guys think tik tok exists in ow

[split granite]

In conclusion don’t believe everything you hear about ow lore

[split granite]

Hope not

[fathom oxide]

No stop it’s probably dead since OW is set in the future

[lapis jetty]

2070's right

[peak escarp]

yeah

[digital forum]

The fact that soldier could be a tik tok child

[lapis jetty]

Ow? You mean cyberpunk 2077.

[fathom oxide]

Yo is soldier Gen Z then

[lapis jetty]

[molten shore]

No please no

[split granite]

Yeah

[lapis jetty]

More like generation alpha tbf.

[fathom oxide]

Bruh

[lapis jetty]

Which my brother is.

Maybe the generation after alpha

Can't beleive harambe is a scientist 55 years from now

[split granite]

[lapis jetty]

[fathom oxide]

Yooo winton is resurrected harambe confirmed

[lapis jetty]

Can't beleive twitch thots are able to defend a country

[molten shore]

Tik tok genjis really think he's top 3 strongest

[lapis jetty]

Fortnite gamers in 2077 be like

👴

[molten shore]

Will fortnite exist in 2077

[split granite]

Probably not

[worthy rose]

Will mama Batman’s

[alpine thunder]

Yeah thts not a tiktok thing just dph abuse

[molten shore]

If they do more crossovers maybe

[lapis jetty]

So how the hell does Lucio shoot sound beams and heal with his spotify premium subscription?

[fathom oxide]

His beats go too hard

[lapis jetty]

Ong

[molten shore]

Lucio uses spotify premium tf2 wall riding and he ribbet and boings

[split granite]

Vishkar tech

[lapis jetty]

Hardlight?

[split granite]

Yeah

[molten shore]

Not team fortress 2 titan fall 2

[lapis jetty]

Makes sense

[fathom oxide]

I like how Sigma has a voice line with Lucio asking him if the volume of his music can be increased

[split granite]

He stole vishkar tech for the rebellion against them

[molten shore]

We got overwatch 2 now can we get titan fall 3

[lapis jetty]

I know. His dad died working for them and he built a rebellion to run them out of Rio.

Either that or joined them.

[split granite]

His rebellion didn’t really work tbh

[fathom oxide]

Bro I hope so, but the reality is they never gonna make 3 because of Apex

[molten shore]

Apex legends is so ass

[split granite]

Vishkar still in Brazil

[fathom oxide]

Facts, titanfall multiplayer was better

[molten shore]

Actually battle royal is ass

[lapis jetty]

Null sector definitely did a number.

[split granite]

Well that too but Vishkar never left Brazil

[lapis jetty]

Ik

[fathom oxide]

This too, I hate playing games that don’t let you respawn

[split granite]

Technically lucio is “dead” right now in lore

[peak escarp]

he is not

[lapis jetty]

The fact that in the ow2 Rio mission they claimed that Rio citizens couldn't defend themselves when literally every Brazilian has some type of arsenal is hilarious to me. Maybe metal bullets are ineffective.

[split granite]

The pve mission “kills” him at the end

Obviously Ik he isn’t dead

[peak escarp]

the cutscene shown at Blizzcon 2019 was a placeholder

it's not canon

[lapis jetty]

Duh

[split granite]

Oh is it not?!

Well they animated that entire thing I thought that was the start of pve

[molten shore]

I enjoyed pubg mobile more then apex

[lapis jetty]

Jeff stated after that he wasn't

Lmfao

[peak escarp]

no they made it specifically for Blizzcon to give it a cliffhanger ending and not spoil what actually happens

[lapis jetty]

Duh

[split granite]

Oh I never knew about this thanks

My knowledge on that pve mission is very limited I only watched a play through of it once and not much else

[molten shore]

Will this mission most likely be the first in the game

[peak escarp]

we don't know

maybe

[molten shore]

Hopefully they make missions about past events

[lapis jetty]

I want a mission on one of the subway trains we see in Toronto and New Queen's Street.

[molten shore]

Imagine a Metal gear Revengeance inspired genji mission

[lapis jetty]

Brooo

Doomfist v genji rematch

[south wasp]

On top

[lapis jetty]

Finally claimed the werewolf winston skin

Do we know more about the other soilders and agents that were there with Jack and Gabriel?

[peak escarp]

the founders of Overwatch?

Jack Morrison
Gabriel Reyes
Ana Amari
Torbjorn Lindholm
Reinhardt Wilhelm
Dr. Mina Liao (deceased)

a playable mission set during the omnic crisis doesn't seem likely, based on the available heroes

Reyes didn't have his wraith powers, Ana wasn't a healer

[ivory garnet]

if ur talking abt the other super soldiers, no i dont believe so

[dreamy epoch]

man i'm sad liao is gone

[lapis jetty]

I'm talking like the super soldiers.

Like is there any sort of information on them

Other than thier existence

[peak escarp]

nope

we don't even know how many there were

[lapis jetty]

That secret?

Bruh were they like black ops or sum

[peak escarp]

the Soldier Enhancement Program was the US Army's answer to the omnic crisis

[lapis jetty]

Homies got inspired by Captain America

[ivory garnet]

no, they were just a bunch of captain america’s

[lapis jetty]

Block ops 3

[ivory garnet]

bo3 was just augmented with exosuits and chips

ow soldier program was nearly identical to captain america’s

only black ops division we know of is Blackwatch which consisted of Reyes, Genji, Cassidy, and Moira

[lapis jetty]

True

[molten shore]

?

[earnest gazelle]

Do you think abilities would be changed around as a possibility? (I.e. with the skill tree?)

[peak escarp]

eh

that seems like a lot of work

[earnest gazelle]

True, but it would be interesting to see it visually play out

Even if they made it mostly cinematic-driven instead of actual player input

[ivory garnet]

its shown some heroes already have old/new abilities in the PvE

it may be likely, but it’ll cause extra work

like Hanzo has his arrow that goes through multiple enemies

[fading bay]

Who is strongest in lore?

[ivory garnet]

Sigma, Doom, Symm, Winston, or Orisa

[fathom oxide]

Its either sig or sym, doomfist lost to Winston and orisa, and Winston and Orisa’s strength is situational

[lapis jetty]

Just losing once to a character doesn't mean they aren't lesser than them. They may be on the same power level in all fairness, just Winston's primal instincts took over and was unpredictable.

[fathom oxide]

True, but doom still doesn’t seem as powerful as he’s made out to be

[lapis jetty]

In all fairness you'd be correct, but we haven't seen much of his power scaling besides pvp, and we know pvp isn't reliable when it comes to these things.

[hardy marsh]

can someone explain me doomfist?

[lapis jetty]

Also, he did major architectural damage in Singapore providing if he had help by Talon in doing so. If he did it solo, it would be a bigger feat.

[mellow flicker]

So Jack is a pseudonym that S76 uses since his name is legally John. Do we have an explanation for why?

[peak escarp]

Jack is a nickname for people named John

[lapis jetty]

Yuh

What animals are extinct in the ow world?

[worthy rose]

Fully human Genjis

And McCrees

[lapis jetty]

Lol

[sharp trench]

they could "rework" them or modify their abilities for that specific gamemode

[solar sedge]

symmetra has the autism debuff tho

[fathom oxide]

I thought that was a myth

Never confirmed

Sigma also is mentally unstable

[solar sedge]

sigma can create black holes tho

no matter what debuff you’ve got black holes can solo anyone else

[fathom oxide]

Facts

Sigma strongest imo man has literally harnessed the harness

[solar sedge]

3 strongest characters probably sigma winston doomfist

[livid juniper]

Bruh

No

[solar sedge]

who then

sigma solos the verse

[livid juniper]

Hammond would beat all of them

[fathom oxide]

Fair

[solar sedge]

true

[livid juniper]

He’s the best

[solar sedge]

hammond no mech solos

[livid juniper]

Fr

I get nightmares from that hamster

[solar sedge]

orisa was made as a hard counter to doomfist tho no?

to protect numbani from mr fister himself

[fathom oxide]

Yeah that’s why her strength is situational

[solar sedge]

beast

love orisa

who’s the weakest character in lore tho

cassidy? cowboy with grenade

[peak escarp]

Mei

[solar sedge]

mei

a-mei-zing

what can mei do in lore

can she still make the walls

[formal heart]

Yes

[solar sedge]

and the blizzards

[formal heart]

Her backpack can be used as an explosive that freezes a large area immediately

[solar sedge]

surely if she can freeze a large immediately she could fuck someone like soldier 76 up no

provided she doesn’t get capped immediately

[fathom oxide]

Mei is weak cause she’s not a fighter

Ironically she’s a devil in game

[solar sedge]

mei is best

[ivory garnet]

mei is one of the weakest fighters in the lore

but one of the smartest

[solar sedge]

she is a scientist ye

what science does she actually do

environmental science?

[oblique charm]

She research’s ice and icy areas right?

And surely if she has the brains to reaserch a certain environment then surely she would clap an old man with good aim

[solar sedge]

ah she is a climatologist

who was stationed in antarctica

with a phd

[inland thorn]

She's a psychopathic and genderbent Mr.-Freeze.

[alpine pawn]

i just noticed moira has heterochromia

[alpine pawn]

nah in lore shes a love

[inland thorn]

And in game; she used to smile at you while she froze you solid and impaled you with a giant icicle 😄

[alpine pawn]

i main her in ow 2 lol

[inland thorn]

It's just funny how she's such a kind person, then in game she's the devil.

[alpine pawn]

well one of my mains

[alpine pawn]

yeah is ironic

[worthy rose]

+makes sense tbh

[ivory garnet]

Killer Frost?

[inland thorn]

I forgot she existed if I'm being real chief, but yeah that sounds about right

[ivory garnet]

Mei would not be able to beat Soldier as he has the range against her

idk abt close range tho

it will be a toss up

[inland thorn]

Picture Soldier in a battlfield scenario where he takes her out with a single well placed round from hundreds of meters away. She's still a regular person.

[ivory garnet]

yes

she has no augmentations

[inland thorn]

even then, I think bullets still hurt.

Soldier has some heavy pulse rifle prototype, and would likely annihilate most

[ivory garnet]

Bullets will effect Mei as it would a regular human

[inland thorn]

I'd same the same for Zarya

Hanzo, etc

Most characters realistically go down in one. But ayo, how fun would the game be if he popped visor and your entire team flatlined in less than a second

[solar sedge]

with rein it depends on the skin lol

[inland thorn]

He doesn't wear a helmet in the flashbacks, nor does he wear one in the events. And the newest skin doesn't have him with one.

Honor and Glory; Null Sector

Doesn't seem he really wears one outside of just having one.

[ivory garnet]

in the lore thats his only outfit

he doesnt use a helmet

[solar sedge]

i know

[solar sedge]

was referring to this, in game

[worthy rose]

do people in overwatch use ground transportation or flying cars cause on maps like midtown you can see cars flying above new york but there are also police officers and fire trucks on the streets with taxis

[inland thorn]

I think much of the tech is ground transport; but mainly like how you see in Star Wars and so with repulsors. Where they just barely hover above the ground.

[fathom oxide]

Pretty sure the cars on the street are also floating

[inland thorn]

Everyone wanting flying cars, but nobody willing to pay for the jet fuel you'd need to go anywhere.

[worthy rose]

dosent every map have lore or whatever like payload maps cause i know like midtown your escorting the fire truck to the building to stop a fire or something idk

[inland thorn]

Numbani used to have a glass case housing the Doomfist gauntlet. Then when Doomfist was being revealed, the map was updated with the case now cracked open; gauntlet gone.

Etc.

King's Row you're escorting an EMP to harm the high omnic population

[fathom oxide]

Hollywood has a black car with an important person inside

[inland thorn]

Gotta love the

People trying to stop a firetruck from helping out

And the people trying to stop you from escorting literally nothing in Numbani

[fathom oxide]

Damn that’s really interesting, you got a picture or video?

[drifting viper]

How old was soldier 76 when overwatch started and ended

[fathom oxide]

I love lore hidden in plain sight like this

[inland thorn]

Here's one from 5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DvAaE-3dpM

[noble pendant]

The push gamemode is litterally escorting a barricade, meaning Something used to barricade a home or house. Both sides are pushing their own barricade and cant push the enemies barricade. I dont think lore is that tied into the gamemodes no more

The real question is: If all the omnics are sentient, does Null Sector send in sentient omnics to fight their battles?

[inland thorn]

He's closing in on like 60 by the time of OW2, he joined OW not long after the Omnic Crisis, so probs in his early 20s.

So if we say early 20s to his early 40s or so, then he's been working alone since.

[drifting viper]

What i dont get is how he and tracer are original overwatch members but he aged like 20 years while she didnt

[peak escarp]

Tracer isn't an original member

she only joined around 7 years ago

Soldier is in his late 50s, and Overwatch ended around 5 years ago

[drifting viper]

Oh ok

[glass minnow]

Kiriko lore pls

[keen stump]

kiriko’s exact age revealed when

[idle compass]

Don't think it was revealed we just assume early 20s considering she's old enough to be on her own iirc

[split granite]

Hello gc

[jovial hamlet]

when will i get all of my overwatch console skins, i merged recently but I havent gotten all of them eyt

[glass minnow]

Soon

Sometimes it takes a little for it all to transfer

Also this wrong channel

What year does ow take place

[peak escarp]

we don't know exactly

some time in the late 2070s

[glass minnow]

K thanks

[soft anvil]

In the game we can play many heroes but did they all have something in common with overwatch ?

I'm thinking about Dva, if i remember well she doesn't work with overwatch, and she doesn't fight them either, so some heroes are just "individuals" ?
Same for junkers ( junkrat, roadhog )

So, some character are just from other factions or did they met overwatch in a way ?

[dreamy epoch]

this list is getting some mileage

[soft anvil]

Oh dva is part of overwatch ? I didn't know

[peak escarp]

she got recruited by Cassidy in the last issue of New Blood

[soft anvil]

Ooh right, i need to read some text about the different event in the game cuz i'm lost

[worn bear]

Honestly same but idk where to read

[peak escarp]

all the sources are in the pins on this channel

[solar sedge]

it took about an hour for me

why does lucio hate vishkar?

[peak escarp]

because Vishkar oppressed his community and tried to gentrify his neighborhood

[keen stump]

smartest person in OW is sigma? or symm? or winston? or someone else?

[peak escarp]

probably one of the heroes with a doctorate

Sigma, Mei, Moira or Mercy

[bitter kayak]

We know in the game that talon and overwatch can play together and work as the same team but why? Is there any lore why they work together or the game just doesn't make sense with it?

[peak escarp]

because the game isn't canon

and it wouldn't be very fun if you were limited to the heroes of one faction

[bitter kayak]

Oh okay

[fathom oxide]

Moira since she manipulated like everyone

[keen stump]

oh fr? that does sound like her

[bitter kayak]

Sounds like my teacher

[fathom oxide]

💀

[white cypress]

have you guys seen the new sigma lore?

[fathom oxide]

WHERE

[white cypress]

sigma balls in your mouth OWOWOWPAJ OPDjAokdjakl

[fathom oxide]

Bro I actually thought there was new sig lore 😔😔😔

[grave flicker]

What is new blood?

[lapis jetty]

Zarya joined? When?

[grave flicker]

Ohhh it’s a comic

I never knew they made one

[grand wedge]

Look at the comics folks

If you have to only read one before OW2 PVE is released, read New Blood

[willow torrent]

does Cassidy have much more?

lore?

[silver shoal]

Its been a while since ive played OW. Wasnt Cassidy previously called "McCree"?

Why the change?

[willow torrent]

harassment or smth and yer man's last name was mcree so they changed it

[grand wedge]

Our dear cowboy was named after an employee that was part of the sexual harrasment inside Blizzard. He got fired, and they decided to give him the name of Cole Cassidy because they don't want the cowboy to share a name with a reall life abuser

it's not fair for the victims to see a character loved by millions to share the name of their abuser

[silver shoal]

ayo

i was expecting some lore, but this was not expected DAMN

That actually sucks

[grand wedge]

yeah, it does. And seeing people still used the old name sucks too... you get use to call him Cassidy now

[silver shoal]

either way, i always call him the "High Noon Man"

lol

[bitter kayak]

I just call him cowboy

Forgot he even had a name

[worthy rose]

Same

[hollow quartz]

Dude that sucks

[stoic swan]

wasnt dva a stripper

[grand wedge]

she is an e-sport champion

[bitter kayak]

💀

[split granite]

The lineup of overwatch heroes right now is really cool
I’m glad they haven’t just forced everyone into being overwatch members

I honestly love the vigilante characters in overwatch
Ik the entire group is basically a vigilante group rn but I mean characters like soldier and Ana
Would love to see more of them 2 or just more street level vigilantes in general

[bitter kayak]

the junker and talon members look so cool compared to the others💀

[split granite]

Doomfist new design is so underrated

Ow2 doomfist > ow1 doomfist

[bitter kayak]

i love how they added the furr thing onto his suit

AND fixed his exposed toes

like put those grippers away hot tall man

[split granite]

He looks way more menacing like he is actually the leader of one of the most powerful groups in ow

And the doomfist now being primarily black with some gold and red lights
So good

[bitter kayak]

His lock in animation makes him look so cold

bro is staring at me and im already scared that dude might break thru my screen

[split granite]

I just want to see more of him in lore tbh

Another talon comic would be cool

[bitter kayak]

yes

i want to see more battle animations

[split granite]

I’m interested to see what playing as talon would be like in the pve?

Considering talon are most likely working with null sector I wonder if we’ll even get to play as any of them

[bitter kayak]

I want a story mode where its talon on their missions, and have a secret for sombra where she goes somewhere else to do her own research stuff

get me?

and the other players/characters wouldnt know

cause sombra is not entirely with talon, just using them for more info

[split granite]

Yeah that would be cool

Honestly any excuse to play as talon

[split granite]

@peak escarp there’s something I’m confused about.
Reaper joined talon after doomfist had been captured yet after he escaped prison they meet as if reaper had been there before dolmfist was caught

[grand wedge]

he was Talon and obeying orders before Doom get out of prison

and Doomfist was certainly coordinating few things there and there from prison

[cursive turtle]

after watching the animation again, I leaned it’s because the fox spirit can turn the donuts into vitamins so kiriko can basically eat anything she wants and be healthy

[wary path]

how could sigma possibly be defeated except being turned to the good side(overwatch)

[drifting viper]

Soujorn is the most boring character

She has no personality

[solar sedge]

i would have to agree

i’m sure they’ll flesh her personality and character out soon

[grand wedge]

did you read her novel ?

[drifting viper]

Nope

[pearl spire]

her callsign literally means backup in a since

she was just that for morrison a hardy leader and nothing more

although dutiful, the most bountiful piece of emotion out of her is when she asks genji for wax

[solar sedge]

she’s got sick ass robot legs as well

[inland thorn]

Cybernetic arms, legs, eyes as far as I can tell, probably much of her torso too; probs something like subdermal armour. Likely swapped out several organs for better ones.

She has a voice line with Genji (iirc) where he asks why she'd willingly have so many cybernetics, and she mentions of her body couldn't keep up with her.

[split granite]

Hello gc

I’ve seen a problem in the community that has been growing in size recently regarding peoples distaste for characters sexualities
Please do not be like these people and just accept the characters for who they are

[inland thorn]

In reference to Jack Morrison being a homosexual for instance?

[split granite]

That and I’ve also seen people mad that reaper had a wife

[inland thorn]

That's been canon for ages though, no?

[drifting viper]

What happened to reapers wife

[split granite]

This is exactly my point these have been established things for years but people are all of a sudden getting mad over them

[split granite]

She thought he died and moved on

[inland thorn]

She just moved on after his ""death"", they even had a son

[drifting viper]

Why didnt he go back to her

[split granite]

Because he is a terrorist

[patent tiger]

didn't know reaper has a wife xD

[inland thorn]

Not all that easy when you're a terrorist and you're not even a body anymore, just smoke held together in a suit.

[split granite]

Back when he was on overwatch he had a wife
This angered people who made the reaper76 headcanon
I have nothing against people who ship characters but don’t be angry at blizzard when fan ships don’t turn out to be the direction they go

[inland thorn]

My main issue with Morrison being with Vincent, is that the entire Ana-Soldier ship doesn't really work out. But it does make Ana-Reinhardt more likely.

Although it doesn't really matter, I don't play the game because of headcanons.

[patent tiger]

i honestly don't understand why people get angry about that stuff

[inland thorn]

The age old question if Pharah was Soldier or Reaper's daughter. Now we know she's not either.

[drifting viper]

Whos vincent

[patent tiger]

what does it matter that tracer is lesbian, or that soldier is gay, until very recently i didnt even know that (to be fair i've never read the comics or anything)

[inland thorn]

Soldier 76's (Jack Morrison) boyfriend.

[inland thorn]

It doesn't, not quite sure why people have issues with it.

I didn't even know Soldier was gay until I re-read his wiki page.

[drifting viper]

Wdym not quite sure

Its obvious

People are homophobic

Thats why

[inland thorn]

Grrr blizzard made my favourite character gay, grr I'm so angry

[patent tiger]

for as stupid as it may sound i think sometimes you just have to not specify a characters' sexuality, because let me ask you this? what does it matter? don't get me wrong, representation is nice, but sometimes it feels like companies make characters homosexual just for the sake of inclusivity. Again, i'm not against it, but if it doesn't matter to the story, why add it

[drifting viper]

Good publicity ig

But i still think its a good thing

[inland thorn]

I think in the case of Reaper, it makes for good backstory, but for Tracer and Soldier, it doesn't seem like more than inclusivity.

[drifting viper]

I think thats part of the point

It doesnt have to add to his backstory or anything

[split granite]

Soldier76 being gay is not pandering it wasn’t for a marketing stunt or anything of the sorts
He has been confirmed homosexual since 2017.

[patent tiger]

i'm not saying it's bad

[drifting viper]

Confirmed homosexual

[split granite]

Like I said before I also saw people mad that reaper wasn’t homosexual

[patent tiger]

i'm not saying it is, i just said that in some cases (overwatch might or might not be one, i've never read the comics so idk) it seems like it is

[split granite]

Someone said they were annoyed that blizzard needlessly gave reaper a wife in the code of violence book when fans were happy shipping him with 76
First of all reapers wife was shown to us in the reflections comic (same one we found out jack was homosexual) secondly I hate how people who ship characters push the ship as being canon
If you ship characters I have no issue more power to you but please do not cry when your fan ship isn’t canon

[drifting viper]

76 can just be gay just like torbjorn can just be straight with no explanation

[split granite]

This wasn’t aimed at you I was just following up on what I said before

[patent tiger]

oh ok sorry then xD

[split granite]

Also soldiers sexuality was revealed through a single panel of him looking at a picture of him with someone else in the reflections comic
It was later confirmed after people asking that yes soldier is homosexual

I’d provide proof but I can’t send pictures here

I’ll try find the comic online and send the link wait

[patent tiger]

seems like a nice moment, and a good way of doing it

[split granite]

https://static.playoverwatch.com/media/comics/10/en-us/comic-overwatch-reflections.pdf

Page 11

[patent tiger]

yeah, that's a tasteful way of revealing it

it's not "SEE, HE'S GAY, WE'RE INCLUSIVE", you know what i mean?

[split granite]

Yeah I think that’s what a lot of people think they did which is why they get so annoyed
Or they’re just homophobic one of the two

[glossy shuttle]

I mean corporations are gonna be money hungry whores anyway might as well have a little gay

Why is it so upsetting

[quasi basin]

How did reaper get his powers in the lore?

[soft anvil]

Moira gave him

[split granite]

Yeah moira basically experimented on him

[native talon]

I always have trouble figuring this out. Cause I thought it was the SEP program who initially gave him the spark of those abilities and then Moira just made them better (or worst idk )

[ivory garnet]

no, Moira gave the ability to Reyes after the fight with Jack

[peak escarp]

she had started experimenting on him before Retribution 8 years ago

but after the fight with Jack, she megadosed him "to save his life"

[worthy rose]

macrodosing go crazy

[patent tiger]

i love how some people got annoyed at kiriko introducing magic into overwatch

[peak escarp]

to be fair, we were told that Genji and Hanzo's dragons weren't magic

[patent tiger]

i mean... we have spirit dragons, a monk robot that can become immortal by ascending into a higher plane of existance, we have sentient smoke than pulls shotguns out of it's coat, but a spirit fox that heals is where they draw the line

[peak escarp]

we thought they meant "it's not magic, it's technology", when what they really meant was "it's not magic, it's spirit"

[patent tiger]

we also have a milf that hacks reality, making herself invisible

[peak escarp]

that's explained by tech

so is Reaper

it may not work that way in the real world, but this is fiction

the writers are allowed to set the rules of the universe

[patent tiger]

what i mean is that everyone's abilities are kinda magic-like, and someone once said that zen explained that magic is just tech we don't understand

so could kiriko's abilities be something like that or be actual magic, and if they are actual magic, is it really that strange in this universe?

[peak escarp]

some people just don't want to see that

they don't think magic has any place in sci-fi

[patent tiger]

well i guess, i just don't think it's all that out of place

also, sombra disabling kiriko's abilities by hacking doesn't imply they're actually tech?

[peak escarp]

she wouldn't be able to hack them in the lore