lore-discussion

[limpid agate]

Presumably the Shimada are with the Dragon Spirit

And then theres Zenyatta who is a big mystery

[pearl spire]

I JOIN THE OVERWATCH FANDOM FOR ONE FUCKING WEEK AND MY FAVE CHARACTER BESIDES GENJI IS A LESBIAN

AWESOME

i can see the lore and characters are diverse

[peak escarp]

that's not really something to get angry about

[pearl spire]

he is intuned with his breathing

[pearl spire]

i said it was awesome lol

[peak escarp]

the caps made you sound angry

[pearl spire]

then genji outta nowhere"but sir you do not breath"💀

[pearl spire]

yea kinda leading on the suspense

[pearl spire]

so all the overwatch characters would be younger than me rn

[peak escarp]

you don't need to ping me every time

[pearl spire]

cus some dev or wtv says overwatch is set 60 years from 2014

bruh genjis in middle school💀

oh and yea sorry lore warlord

[peak escarp]

Genji is 35 - he wouldn't even be born yet

[pearl spire]

no way💀

he gon be watchin cocomelon😭😭😭

nah im jk

so widowmaker

her heart is slowed or something

so thats why shes blue

i thought she was some alien sniper💀

like sexy alien sniper

i never could afford overwatch so i only knew of tracer

cus yk

shes on the cover

wait so reaper is a permanent bad guy now?

cus jack took his position?

[peak escarp]

that's not why

Jack and Gabe were friends

[pearl spire]

oh so they were more than coworkers

i just thought reaper was consumed by power and greed so he just started hatinh jack

[peak escarp]

they were best friends for around 30 years

[pearl spire]

WHAT

reaper hates that man how

[peak escarp]

but the trust between them started to break down

[pearl spire]

i would too, fucking goody two shoes

[peak escarp]

and Gabe developed anger issues

and now he blames Jack for him nearly dying

[pearl spire]

well yea if my friend stope my job id be a lil cranky

he gets all the glory

how tho

[peak escarp]

he wasn't mad about that

Gabe didn't want the job

he was happy with Blackwatch

[pearl spire]

didnt reaper start a fight with jack and got the hq blown up

[peak escarp]

yep

[pearl spire]

blackwatch sounds sooo edgy💀

[boreal wharf]

He was mad because Jack stole his snickers bar that one time actually

[pearl spire]

damn tbh relatable

also yk kirikos gang

i hope they get added to the game

unless they were all concept art

in her trailer

[boreal wharf]

They were literally just thugs with handguns weren’t they

[pearl spire]

no

no

they were diverse lookin kinda

[peak escarp]

these guys

[pearl spire]

some omnics with distinctive weapons

[boreal wharf]

Oh them

[pearl spire]

OMG YES especially the guy with the sword in the back

and the tanuki omnic

[peak escarp]

I like the woman with the beak mask

[pearl spire]

yea shes cool too but that robot litteraly fights with an umbrella

like how cool is that

[peak escarp]

she's based on an Amabie - a Japanese mermaid yokai

[pearl spire]

thats...sounds like she could be her own character

im hoping they get added

[peak escarp]

maybe some day they'll be heroes, but for now we have enough Japanese heroes

[pearl spire]

dude 3

ONLY 3

we need more

[peak escarp]

I'd rather get heroes from countries that don't have representation

[pearl spire]

lol yea i was jk but yea ik wym

[peak escarp]

like Spain or Italy or Greece or Scotland or Kenya or Madagascar or...

[pearl spire]

but dont they have everywhere covered

even space

[pearl spire]

oh nvm

imagine a gladiator type hero from greece

simply amazing

[peak escarp]

there's only 35 heroes representing 21 countries

[winged heath]

gus is gay

[pearl spire]

oh yea cus briggite is torbs daughter

[winged heath]

thats the lore folks

[pearl spire]

gus?

[winged heath]

gus fring?

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[winged heath]

o shi mb i thought this was the breaking bad server

[pearl spire]

but yea i want the guy in the red specically because i want a character with a sword as primary idk why

[pearl spire]

💀

excuse me sir

i also now understand why echo doesnt have an overwatch 2 skin

correct me if im wrong

cus echo like recently got freed by cassidy and plus her original creator like died or something

well i was confused

[winged heath]

is echo the least played character in ow2? ive only seen her ONCE in my past like 25 games

[pearl spire]

was it cassidy or mccree

if not whos mccree

[peak escarp]

Cassidy and McCree are the same person

[pearl spire]

cus i heard it heavily in middle school like 2016 era

when the game was popular

[pearl spire]

HUH

[peak escarp]

Cole Cassidy is his real name, Jesse McCree was a pseudonym

[pearl spire]

why he change his name

[winged heath]

ayy i played ow1 back in middle school and everyone use to play it back then, miss those days ngl

[pearl spire]

mcCree sounds cooler

[peak escarp]

because he's trying to be a good guy, not a criminal anymore

[winged heath]

mcree based on a dev but he left, so they changed to a current dev

[pearl spire]

wish i couldve played i was broke😔

[pearl spire]

oh

[pearl spire]

ohhhhhh he was a criminal?

i thought he was the like coleader or something of blackwatch

[peak escarp]

he was a founding member of the Deadlock Gang

[pearl spire]

oouuh a gang member

lol cowboy shootin up saloons

[peak escarp]

but he got busted by Overwatch and was given a chance at redemption through Blackwatch

[pearl spire]

pew pew

WAIT

isnt ashe head of deadlock gang

[peak escarp]

more like a biker gang that targets the Arbalest Arms weapon manufacturer

she's also one of the founders

[pearl spire]

whyd she let mccree get locked up

[peak escarp]

he sold out the gang

maybe he wanted a way out

[pearl spire]

i havent watched this one yet

[pearl spire]

SNITCH

[peak escarp]

there's a novel that goes into detail about it

[pearl spire]

why would he want out of ashe

[peak escarp]

I recommend the audiobook - it's read by Ashe's VA

[pearl spire]

SHES A SUPER MODEL

[pearl spire]

oh okay if it costs money i will have to see on that another day😭

anyways thx i just wanted a chat out of the lore

wait

yk the geiger guy who junker queen got on her side

we shouldve got him instead of junkrat

atleast geiger doesnt talk

[peak escarp]

eh, he seems like more of the same thing

[pearl spire]

ugh junkrats so annoying

[pearl spire]

he seems more like junkrat?

nah no way he seems cooler to me idk why

and hes names after the geiger counter for radiation

since australia got basically nuked with that stuff

[peak escarp]

just the outback

the cities are still normal

[worthy rose]

who has the worst and saddest backstory

[pearl spire]

so is that why junkrat cant take damage from explosives

[pearl spire]

to me its shoulder pads guy

[peak escarp]

Reinhardt?

[pearl spire]

his whole life work, tore his mind apart

[peak escarp]

oh Sigma

[worthy rose]

sig?

[pearl spire]

NO WAY HE IS BADASS

[pearl spire]

yea siggy

at first i was like wtf does he mean when goes "what is that melody"

im like he doesnt have any music oriented or sound attacks

or abilities

[dreamy epoch]

the universe

it sings to me

[worthy rose]

i feel so bad for sig

he gets used by talon

[peak escarp]

I think Mei's story is pretty tragic

[dreamy epoch]

sigma's origin story is one of the best ones
it's a perfect example of show don't tell

[pearl spire]

but hes a gravity god who harnessed the harnes

[worthy rose]

was a victim of his own story

[worthy rose]

its just really sad

[peak escarp]

the only survivor of the Antarctic base

[pearl spire]

hm? how?

[dreamy epoch]

yeah

[worthy rose]

all her friends died while she was sleeping

[dreamy epoch]

mei is unfortunate as heck

she did not deserve that

[worthy rose]

not worse then sigma though

mercy id say is kinda sad

[pearl spire]

look dont be mad at me i have 5 hours on genji within the whole existence of overwatch as a whole i dont know jack shit about the lore

[worthy rose]

her parents died while doing volunteer work and she became a renowned doctor ar 14

[pearl spire]

hell im playing overwatch rn

[pearl spire]

THAT FAST

who killed them, the flash

the average person sleeps for eight hours

[worthy rose]

No, they were in cryochambers

so technically she was frozen not sleeping

[pearl spire]

ohhhh so it was like centuries before they got out

[worthy rose]

and all her friends cryochambers malfunctioned and they died inside them

[pearl spire]

and they died how?

i thought it puts you into prolonged hibernation

[worthy rose]

if im not mistaken they were like in them for 10-21 years

[pearl spire]

woah thats sad

[peak escarp]

they were only supposed to be frozen for a few months while they waited for Overwatch to resupply them

they ended up frozen for 9 years

[pearl spire]

oh-

OH!

[worthy rose]

i dont quite remember but its like their chambers malfunctioned and stuff

[pearl spire]

man that sucks

[worthy rose]

and meis the only survivor

[pearl spire]

wth thats so unfortunate

[peak escarp]

the rest of the crew died because the cryochambers failed

[pearl spire]

awe she must deal with major survivors guilt

[peak escarp]

if Winston's message hadn't woken Mei up, hers would have failed too

[worthy rose]

and when she woke up she saw them stuck in them and saw how overwatch got disbanded

[pearl spire]

man thats horrible

[worthy rose]

she woke up bc of windtion?

i never knew that wtf

[pearl spire]

how she get back to like general population

[worthy rose]

But she wakes up sees overwatch disbanded tries to get out power goes out

[pearl spire]

overwatch rescue her?

[worthy rose]

snowball sacrifices himself for mei to get out

[peak escarp]

she hikes to another research base and gets a ride back to civilization

[pearl spire]

who tf is snowball💀

[worthy rose]

her lil robot

[pearl spire]

bruh im guessing she was in antarctica and you mean she hiked for miles on miles

[worthy rose]

yeah

[peak escarp]

yep

[pearl spire]

the bases irl arent even that close💀

[peak escarp]

but she's used to hiking a lot

[worthy rose]

also if im not mistaken mei was really close with the people that doed

[pearl spire]

she hiked through antarctica

possibly with baggage

[worthy rose]

and they were left alone whilensleeping i think

[peak escarp]

they were all friends

[pearl spire]

that explains the thighs

[worthy rose]

Brigs lore is kinda inspiring more than sad

[pearl spire]

emo chick didnt wanna be there in the first place on the left

[pearl spire]

briggite

all ik is shes like a god child of reinhardt

that damn chad

[peak escarp]

Brigitte is one of the heroes who doesn't have a tragic backstory

[pearl spire]

i only watched his story because i was bored in class

[worthy rose]

its more motivating if anything

[peak escarp]

she had a happy childhood with a loving family, she got to go adventuring with her godfather Reinhardt

[worthy rose]

i used to watch them religously when i was 10

[peak escarp]

overall a pretty happy life

[pearl spire]

is he like some supersoldier or are the suits just big and hes really an average guy inside

[worthy rose]

and then reinhardt got kicked out of overwatch

[pearl spire]

W

[peak escarp]

he's a pretty big guy outside the suit

[worthy rose]

hes a really built guy

[pearl spire]

ik it

[worthy rose]

i think the suits like around a littles bigger then him

[pearl spire]

THE SUITS SMALLER😩

[worthy rose]

i wish 😭

[pearl spire]

begging on my knees for this dilf to crush my 135 body to pieces

[worthy rose]

tracers@backstoru is only a lil fucked up

[pearl spire]

saving this for research purposes

[pearl spire]

what happened to her

[worthy rose]

she was really excited to fly a plane or something but her body gets disoritented

and she starts warping in and out of reality

not sure how to rlly explain it

me big dumb

[pearl spire]

what thats awful

[worthy rose]

i dont know words

[peak escarp]

she was recruited to test an experimental teleporting fighter jet, but the jet disappeared with her in it

[pearl spire]

its fine me neither lol

[worthy rose]

winston made the chronal accelerated and it let her control her warping

[pearl spire]

A TELEPORTER FIGHTER JET WHO THE HELL WERE THEY FIGHTING THE AVENGERZ

[worthy rose]

so thats why she can tp and recall

[peak escarp]

when she reappeared, she was basically a ghost, unable to touch anything, until Winston made a device to anchor her to the timeline

[worthy rose]

omnic crisis im p sure

[pearl spire]

ohhhh

it all makes sense

[worthy rose]

my question is if ypur a ghost how did the chronal get attached to her

did she just have to be near it

[peak escarp]

she just has to be near it

[pearl spire]

i should watch those videos but im not gonna waste my time when i coukd just play overwatch

[peak escarp]

she can take it off to shower and sleep, etc.

[pearl spire]

WHAT THAT MONKEYS A GENIUS

[worthy rose]

i like to watch videos while playing

or queing

[peak escarp]

there's a list of all the lore in the pins

[pearl spire]

im either texting or taking pictures whike queing for ranked

[pearl spire]

ik but i dont wanna read😩

i graduated highschool early to not have to read

[worthy rose]

even though everyone knows that mouga is the next hero

i really want it to be someone from meka

[pearl spire]

mouga

LMFAO

[peak escarp]

Mauga

[pearl spire]

silly name

mauga

sounds like a character from moana

[peak escarp]

big guy

[pearl spire]

WOAH

[worthy rose]

but i really love baptistes and sombras relationship

[pearl spire]

THEY ARE GIVING ME SIMP FUEL HOLY

[worthy rose]

Sombra looks out for baptiste

[pearl spire]

WHO IS THE LITTLE GUY WITH HIM

[worthy rose]

and sig and sombras father daughter relationship

[peak escarp]

that's Baptiste

[pearl spire]

hes so cute and feirce

[worthy rose]

baptiste

[pearl spire]

the french guy with the weird haircut🤨

cant be

[worthy rose]

Have you guys heard thag one voiceline with sig and sombra where she tells sigma that if they try to do something to him to tell her

[peak escarp]

he's Haitian

[pearl spire]

ohhh sorry

[worthy rose]

reallt makes you think how much power sombra actually has

she can expose talon and everything

and jjst flee away with no consequences

[pearl spire]

yea shes a hacker, no?

[worthy rose]

yea

[pearl spire]

info has to be her greatest asset

[worthy rose]

Thats why she has so much power

[pearl spire]

i dont need to know the lore to know that

[worthy rose]

even the strongest women volksaya was afraid to say no to a partnership eith her

she knew whag sombra could do to her

[pearl spire]

well yeah other than being annoying and shutting down my dash and reflect

[worthy rose]

Shut up i love sombra

[pearl spire]

ALSO HOW THE HELL DOES SHE HACK DOUBLE JUMPE

[worthy rose]

im kinda getting used to the new one though

[pearl spire]

ITS A PHYSICAL ABILITY

[worthy rose]

She hacks all abilities including passives

[worthy rose]

well genjis a robot

[pearl spire]

remove sombra

[worthy rose]

but soilder can sprint

[worthy rose]

id rather die

i need my hispanic queen

[pearl spire]

cyborg

[pearl spire]

more like sewer rat, she crawls through every pipe and cranny to get a bit of info

[worthy rose]

I have 139/140 for sombra in the gallery 😭

[worthy rose]

well duh

[pearl spire]

but yes shes a queen like all women

[worthy rose]

her only goal is to get as much information as she can

shes power hungry

[pearl spire]

whats the gallery

[worthy rose]

ngl once sombra rules over everybody i wonder if shell like have body guards for sigma

[worthy rose]

the hero gallery

[pearl spire]

probably has daddy issues😭

[pearl spire]

whats that

[worthy rose]

Shes an orphan lmao

[pearl spire]

oh-

sorry

[worthy rose]

where you can check your cosmetics

[worthy rose]

its fine
i can see your a new player so its really not that bad

[pearl spire]

im broke so i only go to ranked que😭

like i havent even checked out heros

[worthy rose]

i think her parents got killed in the omnic crisis

[pearl spire]

i just play

[pearl spire]

oh thats so sad

wow these robots were real angry

did the humans treat them like trash?

or something

[worthy rose]

Um

i forgot exactly what happened

but the robots had an uprising started attack people

lots of people died

overwatch was made to defeat them

and then after the war humans were being racist

to them

and i think before they still were

and now most omncis have free will

[pearl spire]

LIKE ZEN

genjis trainer or something

idk

genji called him master in a voice line

or is that something he does

[worthy rose]

zen is genjis master

he put his body at peace after mercy rezzed him

idk about that rez part

[peak escarp]

he was badly injured, but not dead

she was able to save his life

[worthy rose]

how is this mf mercy just coincendetally there

[pearl spire]

wait if im not wrong

[peak escarp]

Overwatch had been watching the Shimada clan, so they had agents acting as moles

[pearl spire]

my big brother was explaining overwatch or wtv to me in like 7th grade

didnt hanzo kill genji

[worthy rose]

if mercy can ressurect why cant she ressurect her dead parents

yeah

[pearl spire]

ohhhh

[peak escarp]

they were probably able to get help for Genji

[peak escarp]

she can't actually resurrect the dead

[pearl spire]

WAIT HER PARENTS DIED AWWE

[pearl spire]

why tho aint he like a criminal

[worthy rose]

Ugh fuck this game and its lore inconsictensy

[worthy rose]

kind of

[peak escarp]

this is what resurrect looks like

[worthy rose]

he was deployed into blackwatch

[peak escarp]

it's just a burst of healing for someone who is badly injured

[worthy rose]

i think he was forced like mccree

well actually

mccree had a choice

[peak escarp]

Genji was offered a cyborg body in exchange for his help taking down the Shimada family as part of Blackwatch

[pearl spire]

like supposedly, because my brother wanted to buy overwatch but i just spent the money on clothes and vbucks, he was in love with overwatch so he was telling some lore and said that genji was a playboy or something and his flaunting ways got him killed

but why by hanzo

why not assassins

[peak escarp]

because the fight with Hanzo left Genji unable to walk

[pearl spire]

is genji that good of a ninja

[worthy rose]

no

lore warlord should be able to correct me if im wrong but

I think he either wanted control fo the clan or wnated honor

[pearl spire]

the sparrow doesnt care about those things

[peak escarp]

Hanzo was told by the clan elders to get Genji to stop messing around and help out with the family

[pearl spire]

why would he go against his family though

[peak escarp]

Genji didn't want to be part of the criminal empire, so they fought and Hanzo won

[pearl spire]

but why its an organization, shouldnt other people just fill in roles

[peak escarp]

they were the sons of their leader

who was assassinated

they're the heirs of the Shimada family

[pearl spire]

WAIT, so genji didnt wanna be a criminal and his older brother killed him for that

[peak escarp]

pretty much

[pearl spire]

thats messed up

[pearl spire]

oh makes sense

thats so sad though

even ninjas get peer pressured

[worthy rose]

oh yeahhh

the shimida family is a criminal family

then why was kirikos mom training thnem

[pearl spire]

i just thought cool suit when i first seen genji and plus every match someone picked dva before me for like the first few times i played the game

[peak escarp]

because she was hired by their father

[pearl spire]

wait kiriko knows genji?

AWESOME

[worthy rose]

did she know

[worthy rose]

yeah

they trained together

[pearl spire]

every match with a genji ill heal him with kiriko because why not

[pearl spire]

lol genji got bopped🤣

im guessing the older one in the back is hanzo

so serious😑

[worthy rose]

genji tripped over his sword once in training

[pearl spire]

NO WAY

[worthy rose]

and kiriko made fun of him for it

[pearl spire]

hahahaha thats hilarious

how does someone like genji trip over his sword

ig overwatch lore isnt all doom and gloom

cus thats hilarious

[worthy rose]

Dvas backstory isnt sad at all

Shes just a reslly good gamer and shes won e sport tournies

and shr got recruited to meka to help in the omnic crisis

[pearl spire]

thats what i wanna do😄

[worthy rose]

and shes only 19

[pearl spire]

not get recruited into mechs part but when gaming tourneys part

[pearl spire]

huh😃🤨

[peak escarp]

Korea has a draft

even kpop stars have to serve

[worthy rose]

Bts got drafted lmao

[peak escarp]

yup

[pearl spire]

WAIT NO NOT RM

IS THIS REAL HOW DID I NOT KNOW

[worthy rose]

Say bye to rm

[pearl spire]

NOOOO RM

[worthy rose]

appearently bts isnt coming back for 3 years

[pearl spire]

IM GOOGLING RN

[worthy rose]

if they survive that is 🤨

[pearl spire]

NOOOOOO JUNGKOOK WOULDNT SURVIVE

[peak escarp]

they'll be fine

[pearl spire]

I CANT TAKE THIS IM JOINING TOO

[worthy rose]

ok well gn lore discussion

dont let the bed bugs bite

[pearl spire]

gn sleepy

[pearl spire]

HOW DO YK MISTER THEY ARE PROBABLY SO SCARED RN

its not fair😔

[peak escarp]

calm down stop yelling

[pearl spire]

HOW CAN I

THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GO TO WAR YK HOW HARD THAT IS TO HEAR IVE BEEN ARMY SINCE 12

its so sad right mr.lore

[peak escarp]

don't call me that

[pearl spire]

LOLLL why not thooo!!

[peak escarp]

look at my profile

[ivory garnet]

chances of South Korea going to war rn is very low

[pearl spire]

💀MS.LORE IM SO SORRY

or just lore

im sorry i should just look at bios now

[pearl spire]

im hoping

then why the unessasary draft😡

[ivory garnet]

pretty sure theres a nato embassy or sumn in south korea so

[ivory garnet]

that was just if needed to draft

[pearl spire]

but why the celebs tho😓

[ivory garnet]

they’re still people

[pearl spire]

THEY MATTER

especially jungkook

[ivory garnet]

if the draft was in the US aswell, celebs would also be drafted

[pearl spire]

😃

thats so stupid

what if they die

[ivory garnet]

they swore allegiance to their country so

thats life tbf

everyone dies at sumpoint, so die with honor for your country

[pearl spire]

WHO WILL MAKE UP FOR THEIR SEXINESS

you dont understand

[peak escarp]

let's bring it back to lore please

[pearl spire]

i will cry my soul out

[ivory garnet]

real

[pearl spire]

okay

[ivory garnet]

real to this

reaper was brought back to life by moira due to expirements right

[peak escarp]

he wasn't dead, but yes

[ivory garnet]

is he still apart of talon

[peak escarp]

yes

[pearl spire]

wait but didnt he wanna take down talon💀

[peak escarp]

Talon is a means to an end for him

he's using them to enact his own justice on the world

[ivory garnet]

he was apart of blackwatch which was a secret task force (underbelly of overwatch) and when soldier got the limelight, reaper threw a hissy fit and fought 76 (forgot why tho)

[peak escarp]

Reyes wasn't upset about Jack being made Strike Commander

he didn't want to be in charge

[ivory garnet]

what was the reason he fought 76

[peak escarp]

we don't know yet

[ivory garnet]

are the comics still continuing?

[peak escarp]

yes

although we don't know when the next one is

[ivory garnet]

rip

need an overwatch tv show for the lore

the voiceline where Mercy goes “Im not giving up on you Reyes” would that be during him on Talon or Blackwatch?

[rare jungle]

BRO ECHO ASKS CASSIDY TO BORROW HIS HAT BUT THE HAT RULE STATES IF A WOMAN BORROWS A COWBOYS HAT THEY NEED TO RIDE THE COWBOY

[rare jungle]

Reyes is his like real name that's when he was in blackwatch

Scary hand lady turned him into reaper

[ivory garnet]

yeah ik Reyes is his real name, Im just trynna figure out if she says that during a fight against him when he is apart of Talon or somewhere else

[ivory garnet]

yeah moira did tests on him

[rare jungle]

Idk

Mercy genuinely cares abt him

Ana too

[ivory garnet]

ye everyone apart blackwatch aswell. just wanna find out the real reason why him and 76 fought

[pearl spire]

echo obviously tryna👀

[young citrus]

after the battle pass ends how will kiriko be unlockable?

[limpid agate]

From a challenge

Itll probably be an easy challenge like COD's

[young citrus]

how long will this season last until

[rare jungle]

Personally

I wouldn't mind

[ivory garnet]

cyborg babies

[pearl spire]

YOU WOULDNT

ITS A DAMN ROBOT

you def gettin the first i-partner

when that mf gets out

[scarlet solar]

Its not really lore wise but does anyone know if roadhog is inspired from pudge in dota LOL

[surreal gale]

who has the saddest backstory

[ivory garnet]

reaper fr (biased)

[mellow flicker]

Did Kiriko know Hanzo and Genji growing up as a child or just when she got older? Considering her mom trained them but they're 15-18 or so years older

[ivory garnet]

yeah she knew them

[keen summit]

depends on what you see as sad, reaper's sad, sigma has pretty sad backstory too, even tracer has pretty sad backstory. I'd personally say either baptiste or widowmaker.

[ivory garnet]

hanzo would be a stronger swordsman if he had genji’s augmentations

[keen summit]

he doesnt want to use a sword.

[keen summit]

she trained with them, we have no confirmed age of kiriko but they seemed about 5 years difference sooo she should actually be around 30 years old or a bit younger.

[ivory garnet]

never said he wanted to

[ivory garnet]

just saying that if hanzo was to use a sword with genji’s augmentations, he would be stronger

[mellow flicker]

huh, that makes her "don't understimate the youth" line fairly odd if she's only a little younger than Genji

[keen summit]

yeah its hella weird tho, they took away the ages on the site so they might just be redconning ages

cuz keep in mind tbh does genji seem and act 35?

[ivory garnet]

hanzo is in his 40s pretty sure

genji in high 30s and kiriko high 20s

[keen summit]

i remember genji being 35 cuz i checked it before it changed

[keen summit]

kiriko doesnt have confirmed age

thats the thing

[ivory garnet]

ik im only guessing from the illustration of the 3 training

[keen summit]

yeah but the thing is that illustrations make genji and hanzo look like 12-14 and kiriko 5 and thats even on the high part for genji and hanzo. it jus feels weird that shes probs 25-30 or sum yet keeps talking about the youth etc

[ivory garnet]

whats the youth line? never heard it

[keen summit]

i dislike that they took away the ages on the site cuz was quite fun to see

[keen summit]

to soldier
Kids can surprise you

basically in short

also has a line "dont underestimate the youth!"

[ivory garnet]

ppl in their 20s usually say they’re still young

cuz relatively they are

[keen summit]

well yes but saying Kids can surprise you.

[ivory garnet]

yeah ig

[keen summit]

people in their 20s dont say they are kids like that

[ivory garnet]

prolly just has a childish mindset, which we knows she does in her cinematix

cinematic

[keen summit]

if you didnt realise i really dislike kirikos writing

[ivory garnet]

i only know reaper’s writing so💀

[keen summit]

it feels hella cheesy and odd. cuz she in blizz words is supposed to be badass and they hired a va that fits that but then has lines like those

[mellow flicker]

it's super cheesy..."you should see me on my bike" ???...no bike to be found in her short. maybe I need to read the comic?

[ivory garnet]

i jus dont like how the 3 samurai were all trained together, feel like Kiriko shouldve been from a separate clan

[keen summit]

yeah or "i take care of my friends"

[keen summit]

well she isnt from shimada clan technically

[ivory garnet]

yeah ik she isnt but its stupid how they trained together

[keen summit]

also ngl she has 0 impact on the story whatsoever from what we know

[ivory garnet]

genji and hanzo are 2 badass samurais then theres Kiriko

[keen summit]

i expected her to be like the one who brings hanzo and genji together but her lines with both are just "remember this from the past? cool"

[iron plume]

She trained with them because her mother was the one who trained them

[keen summit]

she also only cares about kanekaza

[ivory garnet]

we know that, but there was no reason for that happening

[iron plume]

bringing hanzo and genji together would never happen in a throwaway voice line

[keen summit]

i feel like maybe she'll have some use eventually but rn i just cant see it in lore.

[iron plume]

if it happens it happens in a big lore reveal
probably in pve

[keen summit]

i know, but say her talking to hanzo about maybe trying to talk with genji

to set it up

that very plausible

[iron plume]

well that might happen still

[keen summit]

rn does she even have a line for hanzo except the shimada shared lines?

[ivory garnet]

due to the dragon’s cinematic it kinda implies Genji wants to be close with Hanzo again, but Hanzo wont due to the guilt that he had

[iron plume]

Hanzo is being a pissbaby

But also he's not sure about being "good" which is what Genji wants

[keen summit]

yeah also because imagine you thought your brother was dead for years and he suddenly appears and goes yo i forgive you. thats a lot to take in

[iron plume]

precisely

[ivory garnet]

yeah but Genji also WANTS Hanzo to live because he knows he has value to the world. may be hard but you cant shun your brother out like that

[keen summit]

yeah hanzo doesnt know what he wants yet at all. Best route for story i think would be to use kiriko as a mediator for both and basically help hanzo accept the past

[iron plume]

with that said I don't think he's joining overwatch still

[ivory garnet]

no

i dont think he ever will tbh

[iron plume]

See him as more of a S76 type

[keen summit]

i think he'll most likely help out but in the shadows

i also think that the junkers might help overwatch not for the good of the world but cuz killing omnics!

also had a whole theory of what talon's plans are for pve

[ivory garnet]

if overwatch was to make another team for recon, hanzo would probably join

[ivory garnet]

whats this pve y’all are talkin abt?

[keen summit]

in short my theory is that doomfist wants humanity to rise up against omnics because if we cant beat our own creations we are weaker than what should be below us, so through conflict we get stronger. His line of "those who rise up, those will be remembered forever!" fits this too

[keen summit]

next year pve drops, thats the true ow2

[ivory garnet]

oh thats cool, i’ll have to look it up

[keen summit]

its against null sector and its HEAVILY implied talon works together with null sector

[ivory garnet]

feel like talon and overwatch will team up if that does happen tho, like a “we have the same enemy” sort of deal

[iron plume]

talon are the ones setting this up

[keen summit]

talon is lead by doomfist. He might make talon fight against it if more casualties happen than expected as he want humanity to evolve not to be exterminated

[iron plume]

and they won't really "team up" seeing as they don't have an official leadership

[ivory garnet]

feel like reaper’s powers arent even at his peak (lorewise)

[keen summit]

Doomfists mentality is an extreme fighter's point of view. Through conflict we get stronger so he wants to create conflict for humanity as a whole, afterall that strengthens humanity!

[worthy rose]

Speaking of Kiriko
Its a big thing ijn overwatch that magic isn't real and closest thing to it is effectively Zenyatta with mercy even mentioning she doesn't believe he is magic.... Kiriko literally heals people witt pieces of paper??? Canonically a lot of the other supports use Mercy's healing technology like Ana. Moira using a screwed up version etc

(Ignoring lucio for this since his "healing" is just grooving to music lol) How does Kiriko heal people with paper And no one in game says a word, yet floating Orbs are weird instead apparently

[keen summit]

well yes kiriko is magic or well SPIRITS which is just a way of saying its not magic but spirits

its said in origin story.

[ivory garnet]

its spirits, not rlly magic

like her ult is a 9 tailed fox spirit

[keen summit]

its a fox spirit who taught her grandmother and then her the ancient art of healing

shes the first actual magical character thats outright said to be which also basically tells us that the dragons also are really spirit dragons and not advanced hardlight like some speculated

[ivory garnet]

im meaning this as his body is made up of dark matter that can pass through inhumane spaces and stuff like that, feel like at a certain point, physical matter shouldnt be able to touch him (bullets and etc)

[keen summit]

thing is then he cant hold anything either

[worthy rose]

Kinda thought that Hanzos and Genji's dragon stuff like a lot of the other peoples in overwatches was just very hard to replicate technology

So spirits exist then?

[keen summit]

that would make him useless

[keen summit]

yeah its just spirits

[ivory garnet]

have you watched one piece? if so it’d work like a logia (logias are element fruits that lets users not be affected by anything and still keep everything on them)

[keen summit]

and for he can choose to he already can you can see it in cinematics, but he cant hold something at the same time

[ivory garnet]

he could learn to make a part of him into the shadows and everything else is physical

[keen summit]

i havent

[keen summit]

he already can kinda

[ivory garnet]

thats what he does with his ult

[keen summit]

no, sombra cinematic

[ivory garnet]

ig, but pretty sure his legs turn into the shadow when he uses his ult

[iron plume]

it's a visual effect

[keen summit]

well technically in the first trailer it was also that

but no he cant control exactly where, he can make parts slowly go into it

[ivory garnet]

thats why im saying i feel like he has a much higher roof for his power

[keen summit]

even if he would we dont know what happens when his smoke body gets blown away from solid parts

[cyan spade]

Nah OW gotta quit playing and add magic characters ingame

[worthy rose]

only a shimada can control the dragons? magic? Spirits? Ghosts?

[keen summit]

spirits.

[cyan spade]

Demons

[worthy rose]

wonder how many characters they’re going to have with the ability to summon then

[grand wedge]

for now : only the Shimada can control the dragons, and only Kiriko has a connection with the Fox spirit.

but it opened a can of worm to introduce this spirit healing and spirit as magical beings in an sci-fi setting...

[keen summit]

yeah but only in japan

keep in mind all spirit character things are japanese so its a japanese thing obviously

[solid lintel]

It’s hard light like what Sym uses , there still isn’t confirmed magic or supernatural in Overwatch, only high tech science

[grand wedge]

for now...

[grand wedge]

It was being said that the dragons were "not magic" - but now with Kiriko, it's safe to assume it's been retconned

[worthy rose]

How do the shimadas “summon” the hard light then?

And yeah kiriko can teleport without the same tech as reaper/moira

[solid lintel]

Kirko uses hard light to teleport.. the same way sym creates teleporters with hard light lol. Notice how they are all the same color for the most part with the exception of genji’s dragon

[grand wedge]

lol no she doesn't

[solid lintel]

It’s not magic 🤣

[worthy rose]

teleport without a teleporter?

[keen summit]

its not, its confirmed its spirits

[solid lintel]

Citation ?

[keen summit]

in kiriko

kiriko origin story

"my grandmother learned the ancient art of healing from the fox spirit"

[keen summit]

spirits can be said to not be magic

so now with confirmation about spirits existing its quite logical to assume the SPIRIT DRAGONS are also actual spirits

[solid lintel]

That does not prove her ult is the fox spirit.. she manifests hard light to create a fox per her tradition.

[keen summit]

no? its legit confirmed

[solid lintel]

It isn’t though

[keen summit]

watch the kiriko overwatch story

[solid lintel]

I already did

[keen summit]

its legit explained that she uses the powers of the fox spirit

[solid lintel]

It’s literally hard light

[crude sandal]

They've never stated Kiriko uses hardlight tech anywhere

[keen summit]

where is your source my guy? i have a source to show that yes its spirits

One has confirmation while the other is speculation

[solid lintel]

You didn’t have a source though you said watch the animated video which never says that her fox is actually the spirit. Overwatch is about high tech and science not real magic and spirits

[keen summit]

they said that her grandmother learned healing from the fox spirit.

[solid lintel]

You can learn things from traditions, her grandmother learning healing from said tradition is not a receipt for her granddaughter having the actual fox spirit

[keen summit]

ahem i have the citation here

"my grandmother devoted herself to the fox spirit who taught her the ancient way of healing"

[solid lintel]

That is not a receipt to Kirko having the fox spirit 😂

[keen summit]

"and opens me to the fox spirits guidance and my bond with her allows me to fight for those who cant fight for themselves"

[solid lintel]

It’s is obviously tradition and practice and not an actual spirit evident by Kirko mothers feelings on the fox spirit

It also would not be the first time we see the trope of faking a spirit to give hope; with one of the most popular examples being Katara faking being the painted lady in ATLA

[keen summit]

Listen the fox ignores one rule of hardlight being there needs to be a thing projecting it in someway to create it and its also controlled

[solid lintel]

That was never stated to be a necessary requirement in the Overwatch lore, that could be for a different universe

[keen summit]

i dont know what more you need other than an inner monologue talking about someone's past, multiple times said its a spirit, on kanekaza under the shrine you have spirit like effects and the tori gates are also spirit like

[keen summit]

every single instance of hardlight has those rules. even symm has projectors and has a special skill with it.

okay what evidence do you have for why it ISNT a spirit

[solid lintel]

That isn’t true with Sym’s ult, the Shimadas dragons or bastion 1.0 hard light bubble

[keen summit]

THE SHIMADA DRAGONS ARENT HARDLIGHT EITHER

its never been confirmed

[keen summit]

sym creates the wall with her hands.

and has special affinity to it too

[keen summit]

and bastion could easily have a projector build in.

[solid lintel]

Literally Kirkos mother reaction proves it’s just tradition. Why would she deny the fox spirit if 2 of her immediate family members were with them

[crude sandal]

Same with the Bastion shield from the old beta/alpha, that's just a gameplay gimick like Rein's or Brig's shield being projected, never stated to be hardlight

[solid lintel]

So you think the shield is what? Metal ? Lol

[crude sandal]

Only confirmed case of hardlight users is Sym

[crude sandal]

No, never said that

[keen summit]

well simple, it seems not everyone can see the fox as in her trailer you didnt see it

[solid lintel]

I don’t have the screenshot to push my point but I distinctly remember a dev on Twitter saying the dragons were hard light in a response to fans asking if it was magic in very early years of Overwatch when Hanzo still had scatter arrow

[keen summit]

also false, lucio uses hardlight in his gun the barriers are also hardlight but theyre very likely to be that.

[brittle vessel]

What overwatch vid does mauga appear in

[keen summit]

lookin around but cant find anything

[crude sandal]

The in-game shield is manifested by the shield crest the 2 characters use, Rein's is made by the lion crest and Brig's crest on her shield, we don't know the inner workings of said shield/barrier however

[keen summit]

i think bap origin maybe but mainly in the novel what you left behind

[brittle vessel]

ight ty

[crude sandal]

You are right, sometimes forget about Lucio since it's a very rare line I haven't heard in forever

[keen summit]

well yes its his lore

oh and orisa was confirmed to use hardlight

and still does for javelin

[errant sundial]

Tf is hard light

[keen summit]

its a javelin of hardlight

[keen summit]

hard, light

[solid lintel]

Basically the solid form of light

[errant sundial]

Oh

[crude sandal]

Well, the full javelin isn't hardlight, just parts of it

Metal bits are still on it

[keen summit]

it is completely as we see her project it from nothing

sadly we've never seen orisa in cinematic so we cant compare it

[crude sandal]

Mm, gameplay wise sure it's hardlight as it comes from nothing

[solid lintel]

While I agree it’s completely light using that logic could mean anything is hard light as all characters have things they just pull out of their 🍑

[keen summit]

its also said to be "a javelin made from hardlight"

[crude sandal]

Not sure why they went back on it somewhat and made it have metal bits then

[keen summit]

well its a very simple construct, its just a thing she throws

[keen summit]

to make it look cool

[crude sandal]

So in the process of making it look cool, they kinda defeated the purpose of hardlight lol

[keen summit]

but spirits exist is what it points to

[keen summit]

well we know hardlight can basically be any colour and also look very different so.. but maybe the bits are actual metal to make it stronger

[crude sandal]

Could be, but sadly won't ever know officially

They'd just write it off as: we thought the metal bits were cool looking for design purposes

[solid lintel]

Doubt it if they laughed off magic

[keen summit]

well spirits arent magic

its supernatural sure but that was never said to not exist

[solid lintel]

It’s in the same realm of the super natural

[keen summit]

yes but not the same thing

[solid lintel]

Further more adding to the point of how it’s most likely tradition and not an actual fox spirit is how Kirko tells the clan that the city is under her protection and not the protection of the fox spirit. She is representing the fox spirit.

[turbid umbra]

I recently got into the overwatch lore and theres much more then I expected. I wanna start reading the comics on the overwatch site but I see there are also books. Are those worth getting?

[keen summit]

ehh you can read the novels online

i personally only got the books irl for the characters i like aka only 1

i got orisa one

but if you just want to read it you can online

[iron plume]

Do you just mean ebooks? because if so yes

either way, yea
they're pretty decent reads
though I'd start with the free stuff to see how you feel about the characters/world/whatever

before spending money on the novels

[turbid umbra]

Yeah I already know I rly like the lore I watched alot of vids on it

Some things are confusing to me tho because im not english so some explenations are vague

Like why sombra joined talon when talon has completely different goals

[iron plume]

"Talon" doesn't really have goals

Doomfist does and he got some others to follow him, but it's not inherent to Talon

Anyway, Sombra is there because she benefits from it. She gets the resources from them to pursue her own goals and not worry

[turbid umbra]

I saw that they want to start a war between omnics and humans again because they think humans become stronger from war or something

[iron plume]

well, again
Doomfist wants that
The others go along with it either because it aligns with their own goals or because he strongarmed them into it

[keen summit]

yeah its the goals of the current leader, last leader was about making money, that guy now is dead.

[turbid umbra]

I also dont understand the whole genji hanzo thing. People say genji went to hanzo to tell him hes alive and forgiven him but if he went there to forgive him why does he do multiple attempts at killing hanzo, and then at the end forgiving him

[iron plume]

Genji doesn't attempt to kill him

He defends himself from Hanzo's attacks

[keen summit]

he doesnt actually try to kill him hes defending'

[turbid umbra]

Theres one part where genji jumps on him with his sword pointed at his chest and hanzo barely holds him off

Thats when hanzo throws him off and summons the dragons

[keen summit]

Well yes thinv is he was attacked first

[iron plume]

firstly, that
secondly since Hanzo is forced to summon dragons, Genji can show that he can deflect them

proving he actually is genji

[turbid umbra]

Ooh right

[keen summit]

• genji doesnt attack him with his dragon, only hanzos dragon hits him showing he only hurts himself

[turbid umbra]

Yeah thats what I noticed aswell

I thought it kinda shows that genji has forgiven him and the only one who is hurting hanzo now is hanzo himself

[light remnant]

Lore

[merry epoch]

overwatch after leaving the ecopoint antarctica ppl to die

they couldve sent SOMEONE istg

[keen summit]

they were already dead.

their hearts stopped and theyve been there for years

[worthy rose]

did the lore team just forget Sigma exists

[turbid umbra]

THIS^

As a non biased dutch person

He has the best lore

Best hero trailer ever

But like the less screen time out of any hero

[worthy rose]

his dialogue in game is also incredibly well done

all his interactions are nice

theres even an interaction with himself where he tells himself talon is using him

but then another part of himself just starts talking about mice or something

[turbid umbra]

Yeah his dutch ones are goated aswell he says like old dutch sayings

[worthy rose]

yeah I'm dutch myself

I love it

[turbid umbra]

Goated

[turbid umbra]

Wait I havent seen that one

[worthy rose]

I got it earlier

[turbid umbra]

I have seen the one where soldier tells him about talon using him and sigma starts talking about ants on the ceiling

[worthy rose]

ohh wait maybe it was soldier saying that

[merry epoch]

i want a lore interaction between sym and sigma like sumn along the lines of '2 pawns realize theyre pawns'

[worthy rose]

mightve got their voices mixed up oops

[turbid umbra]

Makes me wonder if sigma is brainwashed into ignoring people who tell him talon is using him or he knows and doesnt want to admit it

[turbid umbra]

What is the symm lore?

[merry epoch]

shes a worker for vishkar the company that generalized? lucios hometown

[worthy rose]

a voiceline I find cool is when hes talking to lucio

he says he likes his music because it distracts him

small break from all the voices in his head

[turbid umbra]

Yeahh that ones great

[turbid umbra]

So how is she a pawn?

[iron plume]

He's not particularly involved in the big conflict, largely due to the fact that as a character he was a quickly brought up replacement

[iron plume]

gentrified

[iron plume]

She believes that they're doing good and is (for the time) oblivious to their more nefarious sides, while doing the work
She had started to see the light somewhat with Stone By Stone, but she still doesn't know about Talon connections

[barren spade]

just want lucio animated short

[turbid umbra]

What kind of company is vishkar? Like what do they do and what deals do they make with talon

And what does symmetra do for them

[iron plume]

Formally, Vishkar is a construction company
They take on projects from run-down cities and renovate them using hardlight architecture
Supposedly it's all much better and orderly after that, but they also rule those cities in an authoritarian way. Lucio led a popular revolution against them in Rio

We don't know what specifically they do with Talon, but their higher-up and Symmetra's manager Sanjay is on the Talon council

[upper beacon]

Kiriko is just.....

[iron plume]

Symmetra is what they call an 'architech', the person who creates forms and buildings out of hard light

[upper beacon]

Perfect

[turbid umbra]

Great explenation thank u

Is vishkar the same company that owns the giant futuristic building in dorado?

[iron plume]

no

That's LumeriCo, an energy company
They figured a bit in Sombra's ARG but ultimately don't seem that important

[turbid umbra]

Ah right

Do u think in the ow 2 story mode we will see the lore expanding or will we play missions about things that already happened in the lore

[iron plume]

It will be new story

[turbid umbra]

Oh thats good

[iron plume]

but it seems mostly focused on just the new Overwatch so I wouldn't call it expansive

[placid idol]

i think at most they might provide context or add/ change parts of character lore

[astral island]

Where does everyone see the comics and lore stuff

[peak escarp]

look in the pins

[astral island]

I see you can download them but where do they originate from? Is there a way to read them online

[peak escarp]

yes they're hosted online

on YouTube and Blizzard's website

just click the links

[turbid umbra]

I hope the campaign wont just be “omnic attack here go kill them!” I hope we get an actual story with some cutscenes and progress in some heroes

Like maybe symm finding out she is working for a corrupt organization or sombra using her new friend at volskaya for something

[peak escarp]

all the story missions will have cutscenes

[turbid umbra]

W

[merry epoch]

shes at vishkars will? also i think she was literally tasked to infiltrate a rivals building n she did it no questions sooo

[turbid umbra]

But she still willingly works for them because she believes shes working for a good company. Sigma is straight up brain washed

[ivory garnet]

genji and mercy have a romance?

[turbid umbra]

Well not officially I think its just hinted at with voice lines

This is actually sick tho wtf

I do think sigma and sombra are friends tho but im guessing that just got known after ow2 release

[tame ledge]

My fav part of this ship is how mad it makes others

[ivory garnet]

i mean it makes sense tbh

[turbid umbra]

Is there a comic on the meka team and a comic on the pharah team? Dont know much abt them

[tame ledge]

She's probs just a lil more sympathetic. Her cinematic with reaper/widow shows she has no problems deviating from Talon when she wants to so she has no reason to be particularly supportive of what Talon is doing to Sigma

[turbid umbra]

She does have voicelines telling sigma to tell her if they do any crazy experiments on sigma tho and also some other voice lines where they talk to eachothers like friends

She reminds me of a granddaughter and her grandpa with dementia

[tame ledge]

Tbh I hope Sigma ends up btfoing Sombra and Baptiste by loving his Talon arrangement. Full on Rorschach "I'm not stuck in here with them, theyre stuck in here with me"

[ivory garnet]

he is canonically the strongest being in ow

[turbid umbra]

Lets just hope we get literally ANY sigma lore in the first place

[tame ledge]

I think it'd be way more interesting

[tame ledge]

True

Pve mode nowwwww

[ivory garnet]

real

watch it cost money

[turbid umbra]

I just recently got into the lore so I might be wrong but lore wise I think the strongest heroes are :
1: sigma
2: reaper
3: doomfist
4: hanzo (with sword)
5: winston (?)

[ivory garnet]

yeah seems abt right, but i think reaper isnt at the peak of his power yet

[turbid umbra]

I will get so fkn angry

[tame ledge]

Id complain about monetization and compare what Blizzard could do to what other f2p fps horde shooters are doing but this is the lore channel

Dm me if you want to hear me complain

[turbid umbra]

Ngl this server needs a complaining channel

[ivory garnet]

W

[tame ledge]

#Get-It-Off-Your-Chest

[turbid umbra]

I know sigma is strong af but like how does he kill reaper

Reaper will just go ghost on his ass

[tame ledge]

Basically magneto

Super mega telepath.

Who is in charge of lore after Chu? What have they produced?

[dense nebula]

I want to see him go all out

I want a permanent crack in the Earth because of him

[opaque scroll]

What makes you think that hanzo with a sword could beat winston

[opaque scroll]

He is literally insane, mad. Might be that he doesnt understand the concept + he doesnt know what Talon is doing behind his back, he just knows they monetize him etc.

At least if I remember correctly

[opaque scroll]

It will.

[ivory garnet]

sigma controls space (matter) reaper’s ghost shouldnt do anything to him

[eager topaz]

Datamining Files
Soundfiles

• No new NPC Voices yet (Like inside missions or on maps some voices)

[peak escarp]

there's a Narrative Design team of around 6-7 people

[eager topaz]

Gonna make a Google Docs Document now...

[turbid umbra]

Hanzo w a sword was crazy bro

[peak escarp]

Reaper and Hanzo are nowhere near the top 5

[stoic marlin]

Where have you guys seen this?!

[turbid umbra]

But if reaper goes ghost he is literally dust

Like nothing can happen to him

[turbid umbra]

Imo thats just wrong

[peak escarp]

that doesn't make him strongest

[turbid umbra]

Its said in voicelines and somewhere else aswell im pretty sure. I heard about in a lore video

[peak escarp]

that makes him unkillable

[turbid umbra]

So he can beat most people in a fight

[peak escarp]

that's not what "strongest" means

[stoic marlin]

Why doesn’t he use a sword instead of the bow then?

[turbid umbra]

Im not english its a language barrier

I mean like most powerful

Like strongest

In a fight most likely to win

[peak escarp]

top 5 are Sigma, Symmetra, Winston, Orisa and Doomfist

[stoic marlin]

Symmetra????????

Wtf, how is she powerful

[turbid umbra]

He swore to never use a sword again after ‘killing’ genji with one

[stoic marlin]

Held back by lore

[peak escarp]

she can make hard-light constructs

[turbid umbra]

Reaper and hanzo solo symm

[peak escarp]

she'd just trap Reaper in a hard light box and he'd suffocate

[stoic marlin]

Symm weak

She can’t make the stuff as fast as reaper ghosting at her

[peak escarp]

Reaper has lost almost all the encounters we've seen him in

he lost to Winston twice

the only time he won was against the Volskaya mechs in Infiltration

[stoic marlin]

Winston stronger, yes. But reaper stronger than symm

[peak escarp]

can Reaper make a hard-light hammer that's 1 kilometer tall?

I don't think so

we don't know the limits to Symmetra's powers

[stoic marlin]

That’s true. We don’t know the limits but from what little we see, she chooses to make tiny turrets and a big wall. Idk iffy

[turbid umbra]

Conclusion is

Reaper solo’s

[dull grail]

Uh…are we talking in-lore reaper could kill anybody? Or in the game?

[eager topaz]

Currently datamining OW2 and trying to find something interesting
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[dull grail]

Because if Reaper can just turn to smoke or ash or whatever at will,

Couldn’t he just turn into smoke and then suffocate someone with himself?

No need for the shotguns unless they’re wearing a helmet

[ivory garnet]

reaper has a high roof of power left tho, at some point he should be able to let physical matter pass through him

[dull grail]

I wonder if you could trap reaper by sucking him up with a vacuum cleaner while he’s in smoke mode..

[turbid umbra]

This my list

[stoic marlin]

Doomfist stronger than Winston? But didn’t Winston solo him?

[turbid umbra]

Wasnt it like a 3v1

[ivory garnet]

if he was to go back into physical matter, it would crush the vacuum

[tame ledge]

Are they really powers or are those just tools she's capable of using. Leaning on her ability to make constructs makes her sound like some kind of green lantern

Symm doesn't seem any different than any other tool-or-weapon based hero. Sigma and Reaper are at least powerful disarmed

[worthy rose]

yeah

it was tracer,winston and someone else against doomfist

I forgot the third one

[turbid umbra]

Agree with this. Get rid of the weapon and u got her

Actually no

When she ults she uses her hands

So maybe thats something to keep in mind

[turbid umbra]

Genji

[worthy rose]

ah yes

[tame ledge]

She uses her hands for lots of stuff but i wouldnt rule out implants.

Speaking of that means Sojourn is probably at least superhuman

[opaque scroll]

what

You guys are some theorycrafters that's for sure

[peak escarp]

if you take away his guns, what power does Reaper have? all he can do is turn into smoke

[peak escarp]

it was a 3v1, but Doomfist absolutely bodied Tracer and Genji - they didn't really contribute to the fight

[tame ledge]

Becoming incorporeal and teleportation. Nothing to sneeze at

[alpine pawn]

winston is probably the strongest heroe by physicallity alone, if we dont count orisa but shes like a compact car lol

[turbid umbra]

Turn into smoke and then choke people out or something like that

[alpine pawn]

like hes a gorila that became bigger with gen therapy so yeah muscled as a beast

[turbid umbra]

Yeah strongest is probably winston or rein

I meant with strongest like most powerful but its a language barrier

[alpine pawn]

uhm most powerful, maybe echo since she has a lot of tactical capabilities?

[tame ledge]

She has all the pros and cons of being a robot

[alpine pawn]

then again she seems frail for an omnic

[tame ledge]

Is she considered an omnic

[turbid umbra]

Sombra hacks her tho

Somba solo’s any omnic I think

[tame ledge]

Anyway sigma and reaper have basically genetic modifications that give them a powerset above any typical human

Are sombra's hacking tech implants? I cant always tell how cyberpunk ow is trying to be

[turbid umbra]

Yeah I think the story is that she used to be hella good at computer hacking, and then she got body mods from talon so she can hack with her fingers

[tame ledge]

Wait no she canonically got implants

Sigma/Reaper > Humans with implants > Humans without implants

[alpine pawn]

they seem like implants, since many of them would be useless if they werent cibernetics like the head pieces

[limpid agate]

He cant teleport

Teleport is a gameplay interpretation of the same power

[turbid umbra]

Reaper can do alot without his weapons. Symm on the other hand?

[tame ledge]

So he can use his powers to translocate

[limpid agate]

Not instantaneously

He has travel time

[tame ledge]

He had movement beyond other non-enhanced people is the point

[limpid agate]

Is the same power

[alpine pawn]

yeah but symm can do anything, like hard like is op in many sci-fi cause creating from nothing is powerful

[limpid agate]

He turns into smoke and moves in smoke form

[alpine pawn]

hard light*

[limpid agate]

You can see it best in Infiltration

[tame ledge]

He has movement capability greater than non enhanced humans is the point

[turbid umbra]

Thats why I said earlier how would sigma beat reaper

[limpid agate]

Yes

But so do all enhanced characters

[alpine pawn]

like we have to consider hard light was used to making a city, the thing is symm isnt really a soldier shes an spy at most

[tame ledge]

Who are the enhanced characters? Do implants count? Do prosthetics count? Does control over the enhancement count? Does tools/weapons count?

[limpid agate]

The bigger point to bring isnt thr mobility

It's the regeneration

[tame ledge]

That's a huge ability in the sense or powersets

[alpine pawn]

theres the therapy gen animals and the super soldiers if were gonna group some biologically

[limpid agate]

Ill make a list 1 se

Enhanced humans are:

• Cybernetics: Doomfist, Genji, Sojourn, Sombra
• Magic: Kiriko
• Genetics: Moira, Reaper, Soldier 76, Widowmaker
• Unique: Sigma, Tracer
• Notable prosthetic enhancement rather than just replacement limb: Torbjorn, Symmetra

Not mentioning Hanzo and Genji under magic because they can do 1 thing and its kinda mediocre.

[turbid umbra]

I just noticed in the hero select screen symm makes a portal with her hands + her ult with her hands. So she is kinda useful without her weapons

[limpid agate]

Yeah thats her prosthetic

Take away all weapons, and those heroes are still enhanced

[turbid umbra]

Ye u right

[limpid agate]

Ana, Ashe, Baptiste, Brigitte, Cassidy, D.Va, Hanzo, Junkrat, Lucio, Mei, Mercy, Pharah, Reinhardt, Roadhog, and Zarya without their weapons are just normal people

[alpine pawn]

i think we can count the himadas as magic, atleast under X conditions

[limpid agate]

Well even in this premise

Hanzo's 1 thing needs a weapon from what we can see

Kiriko's doesnt

[turbid umbra]

Dragons are kinda magic

Tho they need the weapons yea

[limpid agate]

I excluded Cassidy's arm for the same reason

[turbid umbra]

U forgot one more mate

Baptiste jump shoes

Like the charged up jump

[limpid agate]

I didnt forget that...

They're shoes.

[turbid umbra]

Yes

[limpid agate]

I listed him in the list of normal people

[alpine pawn]

i mean any char can get those anyways no?

like jump shoes are just that

[turbid umbra]

Isnt the jump shoes the same as sojourn rocket legs

[limpid agate]

No

Sojourn is a cyborg