Reaper's life is the most tragic imo
#lore-discussion
clear kestrel
I don't think Reapers that sympathetic
he submitted to the changes willingly
it's his own fault for betraying the organization that he's the way he is
code of violence at least implies he didn't do what he did for selfish reasons like jealousy
more so him becoming disillusioned with Overwatch as a whole
hallow harbor
Keep this chat to lore only ty
twin kraken
Wow
scarlet apex
code of violence at least implies he didn't do what he did for selfish reasons l...
what are the chances he's actually a double agent and is long conning talon
i remember that being a prominent theory back in the day
clear kestrel
I would be very surprised
mainly because we've had stories from his POV
and he has no real qualms with Talon nor a desire to turn on them
at most I could see him going rogue
scarlet apex
imagine if ow had a singleplayer campaign that focused on the heroes' backstories
there used to be a rumor back in 2017 about the income from ow being used to fund a movie
opaque barn
imagine if ow had a singleplayer campaign that focused on the heroes' backstorie...
I mean thats what they talked about for next year
clear kestrel
have they said anything about the PVE being playable offline with bots?
clear kestrel
did we know who Ana was before she became a playable character or did she just appear out of the blue?
worthy rose
can u add a kick/ban way to vc party leaders......! (asap)
cunning ledge
have they said anything about the PVE being playable offline with bots?
the pve will probably have some kind of connection to universal account progression so this seems extremely unlikely
unless you mean just play it with one person in a group, which i guess might be possible but not what it's designed for
worthy rose
Oh Hammond
actually one of the funniest characters in the game
when he kills Genji with grapple or piledriver I think he goes He says, deflect that loser
ripe crown
when he kills Genji with grapple or piledriver I think he goes *He says, deflect...
Savage and funny. Not to mention the Dramatic highlight intro makes everything better.
vapid bridge
ÿøkœßô
sharp trench
i would too if the person who found me was moira of all people
coral stirrup
.
kind swift
what exactly is overwatch? do they carry out missions to accomplish a certain objective like valorant agents protecting/stealing radianite or is it for entertainment like in the apex games or something completely different?
wet drum
what exactly is overwatch? do they carry out missions to accomplish a certain ob...
Varies depending on the hero
kind swift
but if everyone has different motives why did they join under one organization that is overwatch
wet drum
but if everyone has different motives why did they join under one organization t...
Well originally they were together but eventually it split up into two for example widow and reaper aren’t under the organisation anymore
Actually I don’t know if widow was to start with
I’ll check
kind swift
Well originally they were together but eventually it split up into two for examp...
afaik there was overwatch which was the face and blackwatch which was like the covert ops but they left overwatch and became talon which has the edgy people like widow, reaper, sombra, moira etc
wet drum
Yeah thanks, but ye it depends what side they’re on but even then they all have individual reasons for joining
clear kestrel
Blackwatch didn't become talon
Talon as an organization existed perpendicular to Overwatch and Blackwatch
fast chasm
lol
kind swift
Talon as an organization existed perpendicular to Overwatch and Blackwatch
so the blackwatch members left for talon?
clear kestrel
yes
Talon served Moiras interests better and Reaper became disillusioned with Overwatch as an organisation
Sombra was never a part of overwatch
Widow was brainwashed etc
kind swift
ah
drowsy trellis
so the blackwatch members left for talon?
Not all of them tho
kind swift
i see
digital forum
nimble brook
How many overwatch agents did talon kill?
How many talon agents has overwatch killed?
ripe crown
How many talon agents has overwatch killed?
If only we could get a peek at Reaper’s kill list.
tepid sand
Didn't he have a wife?
hallow harbor
wait reaper has a son??
worthy rose
Yes it was revealed in Code of violence
i kinda wanna see the movie about the founding of overwatch that soldier talks about sometimes
how tall is junker queen?
peak escarp
around 7 feet
worthy rose
I honestly thing this image is kind of hilarious
even though in context this is pretty tragic
limitless meme potential
worthy rose
How many overwatch agents did talon kill?
we know they killed Gerard
Widowmakers Husband
dreamy epoch
me vs the dude she tells me not to worry about
worthy rose
and in one of the comics we see a whole bunch of coffins for dead agents
now whether or not Talon played a part in their deaths isn't clear iirc
strange reef
Are the que times part of the lore?
flat umbra
Is Tracer both dead and alive at same time?
Lore says she keeps disappearing for months
frosty gale
Are the que times part of the lore?
lol obviously not
frosty gale
Is Tracer both dead and alive at same time?
shes basically a living time-ghost if that make sense. time doesnt affect her.
flat umbra
So where does she go when she disappears?
frosty gale
So where does she go when she disappears?
idk im not that into the lore, but i know some stuff
past copper
The best example to pin down what’s up with Tracer is to compare her to Ghost from MCU
At least that’s the fastest way to give an example
Or maybe just say quantum physics
Longest way to explain it that she’s physically moving through space-time uncontrollably until Winston invented a way to anchor down to their time, but gave the ability to jump forwards or backwards in her own time
Think of Hit from Dragon Ball Super since I can’t think of anyone else with a similar power
worthy rose
I didn’t even know the game had a lore
ripe gazelle
Baps lore is lame
finite prairie
widow maker bad asf
ripe gazelle
widow maker bad asf
Im down bad for widowmaker 😮💨
limpid agate
!!loreonly
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This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
native fossil
What exactly happened to Sigma?
Experiments with artifical black holes gone wrong and somehow entangled his consciousness into space time fabric? Is it related to how Tracer got entangled into time?
native fossil
It would be cool if they had a voiceline referencing each other considering no one else can sympathize with their conditions
worthy rose
Black hole gone wrong gives an old man Psychosis
iron plume
It would be cool if they had a voiceline referencing each other considering no o...
Apparently Sombra goes through something similar to Tracer when she teleports, judging by their interaction
Though she obviously hasn't been lost
tulip parcel
what did moira do to widow? and like when did this stuff happen
iron plume
We don't know if it's Moira
But what happened to Widow was two stages
First was her conditioning, which made her follow Talon's orders, including killing her husband
Then after she did and went back to Talon she had her pulse slowed down to make her a better sniper, which turned her blue
She killed her husband about seven to eight years before Recall, so the first was around then
Then somewhere between six and seven before was the second
worthy rose
apparently a snipers own heartbeat and throw off their aim?
talk about dedicated to the job
iron plume
We don't have exact dates, but the timeline goes
Retribution (8 years prior)
Widow is conditioned but not yet blue, kills Gerard
Uprising (7 years prior)
Widow is blue, "kills" Ana
Storm Rising (6 years prior)
iron plume
apparently a snipers own heartbeat and throw off their aim?
talk about dedicated...
Supposedly yeah
It's a relatively common trope with the "calm, cold assassin" characters
wooden sleet
awww its cute
karmic turret
its such a heartfelt story
also yeah overwatch has very much expanded into a state of supernatural
worthy rose
meh
wooden sleet
so magic is confirmed now I guess,
peak escarp
it was cute
fiery falcon
karmic turret
Man kiriko has to be my favourite ow character now
worthy rose
that scene where her wound inexplicably gets healed.....what
waxen quartz
What's the lore on sojourns big massive juicy thighs
fiery falcon
that scene where her wound inexplicably gets healed.....*what*
Support passive
worthy rose
don't care for the short but
I do like the return of the one yakuza guy from the Dragons short
if Kiriko becomes a major character in the games story it'll just...break everything
wooden sleet
I do think the constant subtitles like its kicking time kinda killed the vibe
worthy rose
what are the limits of her healing exactly-
waxen quartz
turn subtitles off then
wooden sleet
no I meant the big ones
like there is a part where a font legit covers the middle of a screen when she gets erious
worthy rose
it does seem the extend of her powers is bring back people from fatal life threatning injuries
worthy rose
if Kiriko becomes a major character in the games story it'll just...break everyt...
which brings me back to this
No
waxen quartz
👬
worthy rose
So when a character is dying it'll just be Kiriko, just use your paper thing and save him
wooden sleet
I'm pretty sure mercy is still considered the best healer canonically
clear kestrel
I mean
I don't see how that's any different than what ANY healer is capable of lol
peak escarp
any support hero can save someone that's dying
clear kestrel
kiriko doesn't break anything
peak escarp
that's kinda their job
clear kestrel
also that animated short was TIGHT
peak escarp
well, aside from the ones who can't heal
clear kestrel
are we good to talk about spoilers on that?
peak escarp
like Brigitte or Lucio
worthy rose
any support hero can save someone that's dying
that is true
and as I said it'll only be a real issue if Kiriko becomes a major character in the story
she may not
clear kestrel
are we good to talk about spoilers on that?
||ok anyway, yeah it was great but I'm disappointed we didn't see the fox spirit||
sudden trail
good cinematic. the lines were a bit cringey, and the kid scream was...something but all in all solid short.
worthy rose
in a vaccum the short is fine
but the broader implications make me go 🤨
clear kestrel
||also was the "I'm gonna call for backup" guy the same dude that runs into the bell in the dragons short?||
worthy rose
kiriko doesn't break anything
this character just got SHOT
don't worry Kiriko has her ofuda they'll be fiiiine
worthy rose
||also was the "I'm gonna call for backup" guy the same dude that runs into the ...
also iirc no
that's the guy who got the phone shot out of his hand?
clear kestrel
also iirc no
that's the guy who got the phone shot out of his hand?
that's
the same guy lol
worthy rose
it's been awhile since i've seen the dragons short
desert yacht
well, aside from the ones who can't heal
idk if they soft confirmed magic with the fox spirit in her origin story they just fucking hard confirmed it
worthy rose
who says mercy couldn't have done the same?
true
and I have a problem with it there to is Mercy or Ana, or ANY support could do that
goodbye to any stakes
desert yacht
seems like a lot of boundaries are off the table for what the OW world can do
clear kestrel
true
and I have a problem with it there to is Mercy or Ana, or ANY support could...
I mean that's also assuming the shot was fatal anyway
and lets be real
considering what it's implied Hanzo did to Genji during their fight that led to his extensive cybernetics
if they could save him
a gunshot wound is probably childs play for most heroes
worthy rose
he got shot somewhere in his abdominal reigon from what I can tell
clear kestrel
right
most people survive those kinds of wounds with modern medical help anyway
I imagine biotics can't heal a shot to the heart or brain
I also imagine he wasn't just fine afterwards anyway
the biotics probably just stopped the bleeding
he'd still have to go to a hospital to get the bullet removed unless it just went straight through
worthy rose
this is all true yeah
my bottomline is it destroys stakes or any narritive weight a "character death" could have, unless they get blown off the face of the earth and their shadow is burned into the ground
clear kestrel
I mean yeah that's probably what it's gonna take to kill some of these people
like
soldier 76 dying to a simple gunshot wound would be lame lets be real
and like
be honest
do stakes really matter in a hero shooter where it's VERY unlikely anyone's gonna be killed off?
worthy rose
It's at high risk of becoming "the Technology/Magic=Plot Convience" which is super lame
clear kestrel
unimportant side characters sure
but any of the playable heroes?
nah
I'm sure there'll be instances of injuries too grave for even biotics to save
worthy rose
rings true for side characters or heroes
which I don't find implausible
PvP already does kind of exist in it's own Canon anyway
clear kestrel
I'd be very surprised if they killed off any of the playable heroes in the narrative
that would be super weird honestly
limpid agate
They wont
limpid agate
like
soldier 76 dying to a simple gunshot wound would be lame lets be real
Also, he cant
Soldier 76 has enhanced cellular regeneration
Strong enough to counteract Reaper's necrotic armaments
clear kestrel
do we know how much punishment he can take canonically
limpid agate
He can also take a grenade at point blank
clear kestrel
like if a squad of men peppered him with bullets would he survive that
or is it like
he can take more direct hits than the average person
clear kestrel
plus the biotic field
peak escarp
he got shot somewhere in his abdominal reigon from what I can tell
you can see the hole through his shirt
despite what movies and TV like to make you believe, being shot in the chest isn't an instakill
opaque tundra
That short didn't make much sense but it sure was entertaining
mossy shoal
That short didn't make much sense but it sure was entertaining
It does sorta if you read between the lines. Kiriko left her mother to devote herself more to the public and helping the fox spirit, the janitors son is in debt, she fights them off and sorts things out with her previously skeptic mother
wraith thunder
I loved it
I loved the music during the battle, hope I can find it or they release it
tawdry apex
I wonder what's the source of Kiriko's abilities? Hard light like most others? or is japanese mythology just canon to the OW universe now?
limpid agate
Its magic
tawdry apex
It's at high risk of becoming "the Technology/Magic=Plot Convience" which is sup...
I'm fine with technology giving plot convenience cause most of the stuff can be explained through hard light technology. And it makes sense most of the time as long as you can answer how the person got ahold of hard light tech
solemn crypt
does anyone know who voiced Yoshida? i swear i recognize his VA
limpid agate
No
tawdry apex
the voice acting was really good
karmic turret
I'm fine with only kiriko, hanzo and Genji being somewhat related to spirits
Spirit fox, spirit dragons, it's all cool
tawdry apex
Genji and Hanzo's dragons can be explained with hard light since they have a lot of similar attributes. And it makes sense how they got a hold of hard light considering they're both from a wealthy crime family, and Genji has been a part of both Blackwatch and Overwatch
limpid agate
It was previously speculated to be hard light
tawdry apex
If you really stretched hard light tech, it could explain how Kiriko can heal wounds. but idk how someone like her would have gotten access to such technology
limpid agate
Its now most likely just
Magic
Kiriko is not hard light
They've said its magic in her introduction, her bio, in her origin short, in this short, just talking about it 3 hours ago
Its magic
tawdry apex
yeah it's better to just say that Kiriko is a magician
she has god on her side
Don't fuck with her, she has god and anime on her side
white cobalt
I loved the music during the battle, hope I can find it or they release it
the music is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3cI0LIMRcw
white cobalt
Also, seems her mother doesn't believe on the fox or something?
tawdry apex
yeah her mother thinks it's just a story
white cobalt
like she is eskeptic about that
tawdry apex
First Disney's Turning Red and now Kiriko cinematic. I think asian people are just blessed by spirits
when are we white people going to get magical powers
opaque tundra
I think we can handle magic as long as it's rarely used and it's perceived as a myth by the public
Spirits are a huge part of asian cultures
white cobalt
If anything i believe they're on the spiritual side, like Zen stuff
limpid agate
Spirits are a huge part of every culture
tawdry apex
next character should be a guy named jesus who just has god on his side
karmic turret
Also it does seem like they've exclusively used spirits for the japenese characters
limpid agate
And potentially Zenyatta
Who is capable of a form of healing Mercy doesn't understand
tawdry apex
Also it does seem like they've exclusively used spirits for the japenese charact...
they should add a native american character who can use the power of the spooky wendigo to curse their opponents
karmic turret
Who is capable of a form of healing Mercy doesn't understand
I thought zen orbs were just that zen gives people a peace of mind
wraith thunder
I do like Kiriko as a character and in-game
Hope she gets added into Competetive soon
tired juniper
hey what kiriko means when he asks reinhardt if hes the loud one?
wraith thunder
I guess cause Reinhardt laughs a lot and generally shouts loudly
tired juniper
I guess cause Reinhardt laughs a lot and generally shouts loudly
ye but then she says ,, so youre not the loud one..."'
wraith thunder
Could be wrong and there could be some super hidden lore detail in it
peak escarp
I thought zen orbs were just that zen gives people a peace of mind
he has some other form of healing that Mercy doesn't understand
limpid agate
ye but then she says ,, so youre not the loud one..."'
She's being sarcastic on that line
tired juniper
oh nvm im dumb lol
clear kestrel
he has some other form of healing that Mercy doesn't understand
nanites
peak escarp
magic
clear kestrel
magic nanites?
nimble brook
Is Kiriko's hair blue-green or green-blue?
clear kestrel
what is this excerpt from?
peak escarp
from Valkyrie
peak escarp
Is Kiriko's hair blue-green or green-blue?
looks more green than blue
white cobalt
I find kinda funny in the cinematic looks like very green and in-game is a shade of green and black
clear kestrel
as of now I wonder how much of his humanity Reyes has managed to retain since code of violence
I wonder if he still has those internal monologues and contemplates the lives he takes
or if he just doesn't care anymore
nimble brook
Dva was right, Reaper has become cringe.
nimble brook
I find kinda funny in the cinematic looks like very green and in-game is a shade...
Is she wearing the same pants here as with the skin of her in a jacket in the shop?
limpid agate
Yes
snow shadow
past copper
I kinda think at this point Kiriko doesn’t use magic. It’s just tech we haven’t seen yet until now. It looks vaguely similar to Mercy’s and Lúcio’s own tech actually
violet fractal
doubt there an answer for this yet, but what were Kiriko's mother's ties to the shimada clan? Kiriko seems to be on the hero side of the spectrum, and she never brings up her mother's possible affiliation with a notorious gang.
She seems a bit colder to hanzo in the voice lines, but open with genji, which makes sense
peak escarp
I kinda think at this point Kiriko doesn’t use magic. It’s just tech we haven’t ...
it doesn't look anything like Lucio's tech
and it only looks like Mercy's tech because gold = healing
past copper
it doesn't look anything like Lucio's tech
I was referring to the field of affect thing, but unlike Lúcio in lore, her’s actually does something. Which is similar to Mercy’s boost ability, though we’ve yet to see that either. Though, I don’t know what the limit is aside from looking like it takes a certain amount of time to set up
peak escarp
it's magic
past copper
and it only looks like Mercy's tech because gold = healing
I said similar to their tech. I’m sure there are countless other ways people use tech in medical science
peak escarp
the characters believe it's magic
past copper
After all, Ana very well should’ve died when Widowmaker shot her. She was only really saved by the grace of her eye and whatever medical science saved her
peak escarp
she was saved because the bullet didn't actually hit her
it hit her scope, and the scope shattered and hit her eye
at the top
"bullet hit rifle pt holding to eye"
past copper
I’m still saying medical science saved her, because if someone hadn’t saved her, she could’ve died. Either from blood loss or infection. Whichever is faster
peak escarp
what does any of that have to do with Kiriko's magic?
past copper
I’m saying we don’t know about ALL science in Overwatch
Kiriko could be using tech we’re just now seeing for the first time
Something we haven’t gotten since Sombra was first introduced
peak escarp
it's not tech
past copper
We’ve seen multiple characters using teleportation, create energy/holographic constructs with uses to them. Seeing an actual ult in use is rare, but we have seen that before too. I’d say magic is a stretch after seeing that cinematic
peak escarp
she literally says it's magic
also we've seen most of the ults in action in the lore
torpid spindle
can some1 tell me why all my hero are locked, ive been playing for 2 days now and this has not been an issue
past copper
Kiriko says it’s magic, but I think she’s just being whimsical. We get a few characters who act like that
And I meant rare to see ult lately
limpid agate
Aaron Keller said it was magic
Kiriko said it was magic
Kiriko's mom said it was magic
The bio said it was magic
Its fucking magic
peak escarp
for ults we've seen Baptiste, Bastion (old), Cassidy, D.Va, Doomfist, Genji, Hanzo, Junker Queen, Kiriko, Lucio, Mercy, Orisa (old), Pharah, Reaper, Reinhardt, Soldier, Tracer, Widowmaker, Winston and Zarya
past copper
I say magic can be explained by any science or tech
limpid agate
It cant
The new writers evidently dont care about the old world building
Its magic.
Anubis is responsible for the crisis
And the timeline is a mess
past copper
That’s on the new writers then
They don’t know anything about the lore and now they’re going to fuck it up all around from this point on
peak escarp
the new writers are the ones making the lore now
dense nebula
Bet you they’re going to make more social statements using the lore
peak escarp
so they can change things if they want
dense nebula
Instead of actually building a world
peak escarp
Bet you they’re going to make more social statements using the lore
such as?
dense nebula
Idk
peak escarp
I meant what social statements have they made?
dense nebula
Make the Omnic crisis a metaphor for rising above capitalist suppressors or something idk
limpid agate
London Calling is a good example of a social statement being done poorly
But that entire comic was blundered to all hell
peak escarp
you're just trying to cause trouble
dense nebula
No I’m not
I’m just a pessimist worried about the quality of the lore with new writers
past copper
I honestly don’t know what they’re talking about. I was saying the new writers are gonna just throw the world that built so far out the window and screw up the lore
peak escarp
you sound a lot like a climate change denier right now
peak escarp
not you
dense nebula
Oh
peak escarp
Ryu
dense nebula
Then disregard that
peak escarp
whether they "screw up" the lore or not, that's the new lore
past copper
Sorry if I prefer keeping a world that was unique from turing into another overused trope
dense nebula
Ngl it kind of already is
peak escarp
I don't have a problem with Kiriko/Genji/Hanzo/Zenyatta's powers being explained with spirit
past copper
Calling it magic is just an excuse for lazy writing and lack of imagination
dense nebula
Mfw I want another spirit Omnic to act as an antithesis to Zenyatta
dense nebula
Religious nanites
peak escarp
the "hard light" explanation we've been clinging to was a reach at best
past copper
It could literally be any kind of new tech. Nobody said anything about all science and tech in Overwatch having to be the same
dense nebula
peak escarp
and relied entirely on the idea that the dragons aren't magic
dense nebula
My explanation is that these spirits are projections of the chi of the being in question. How that happens idk, maybe tech maybe magic
limpid agate
It relied entirely on the idea that the dragons arent magic, which we were xplicitly told
past copper
It relied entirely on the idea that the dragons arent magic, which we were xplic...
By the original writers
limpid agate
Doesnt matter
peak escarp
so it's either a retcon, or a misunderstanding
iron plume
doubt there an answer for this yet, but what were Kiriko's mother's ties to the ...
Since this got buried by the magic conversation
Asa, Kiriko's mother, was a swordmaster, teaching Genji and Hanzo how to fight
Shimada were a gang, but an honorable one, caring about the community
Not the "good guys" exactly but not full-on bastards either
Unlike the Hashimoto who came after them
terse osprey
Could I ask a help thing here? I know it’s not the right place but the other chats are way too active for my message to be seen
past copper
so it's either a retcon, or a misunderstanding
Neither one is good. Because now most of the lore sounds like it’s changing without explanation
worthy rose
Me who is still hung up on Kiriko wanting to move in with her mom
limpid agate
Could I ask a help thing here? I know it’s not the right place but the other cha...
If its not related to lore, no.
worthy rose
after declaring war on a yakuza gang
peak escarp
Neither one is good. Because now most of the lore sounds like it’s changing with...
one thing changing doesn't mean everything will
it's not like we haven't had retcons before
worthy rose
like
does Kiriko t realize she is putting her mom right in the crossfire
even if Kiriko is confident she could handle them that's still an unneeded risk
past copper
That McCree name change though was easy to deal with in lore though
peak escarp
like
does Kiriko t realize she is putting her mom right in the crossfire
even i...
possibly, but her mom is a capable fighter
peak escarp
That McCree name change though was easy to deal with in lore though
I'm not talking about that
Mei's old bio said that she was discovered frozen in Ecopoint Antarctica, but then in Rise and Shine we find out she woke up alone and saved herself
since her reveal, D.Va was said to be a Starcraft pro until the head writer said that she actually wasn't
Reinhardt's old bio said that the omnic crisis started more than 30 years ago, yet every other source says it started 30 years ago or less
past copper
Heck. I still say it’s tech, because it’s not like we have an explanation for the abilities of every hero. Example is Baptiste. Do we actually know how he heals himself or throws out his window?
woeful wren
Genji def stronger than Kiriko
peak escarp
the entire First Strike comic got retconned out of existence
past copper
I think First Strike was just flat out cancelled before it was released though. I don’t remember
peak escarp
it was
iron plume
It's not really retcon if it was never released in the first place
peak escarp
but the art was finished and it was going to be released
wanton wedge
Honestly, I think Kiriko does realize she's putting her mother in the middle of the cross fire, but her mother is also a capable fighter. As we've seen, she knows how to wield a sword / katana (or any other type of sword related item). (Also is it just me or does the whole "sword" part of the family not play for Kiriko? Kunai are not swords. They're knifes. More specifically throwing knifes.)
woeful wren
Honestly, I think Kiriko does realize she's putting her mother in the middle of ...
They still a blade though, Genji throws shurikens which are basically throwing knifes and he also uses a sword
worthy rose
also also all the people in that apartment building
including old dude and his grand-daughter
sullen raptor
They still a blade though, Genji throws shurikens which are basically throwing k...
Wasnt shimada family oppose ninja shuriken thing genji does?
sullen raptor
I thought its like 'not proper martial arts' kind of statement
Ah
So its just genjis fault then
woeful wren
Shimada clan don’t even know Genji alive other than Hanzo
iron plume
Shimada clan doesn't exist
wanton wedge
Shimada clan- never mind Party said it for me.
iron plume
Hanzo left after killing Genji and the rest were shut down by Overwatch
wanton wedge
Are you talking about the game or the team?
sullen raptor
The team
iron plume
ha
sullen raptor
E- 🙃
worthy rose
I mean
Overwatch in a way IS gone, the game
Overwatch 1 that is
sullen raptor
woeful wren
Funny how 2 head boys from Shimada go on to use a bow and throw shurikens and Kuriko just doing her own thing with Fox and Kunai
Shimada family fr a joke
clear kestrel
yeah honestly I'm fine with the dragons being magic
iron plume
Well, lorewise Genji's main weapon is the sword
He has the shurikens in-game for gameplay reasons
Blizzard really said magic exists but only for japan
woeful wren
Ong makes them the strongest characters if they can use magic
iron plume
eh
Their magic still can only do certain things
Doesn't mean they can just do whatever
Some of the tech in OW universe is stronger
woeful wren
Kuriko seems pretty broken in the lore and Genji already we know is broken. Still lost to Doomfist tho, doom just built dif ig
worthy rose
Some of the tech in OW universe is stronger
Yep like Symmetra's
worthy rose
Kuriko seems pretty broken in the lore and Genji already we know is broken. Stil...
Is Kiriko a new character?
iron plume
...yes
worthy rose
I've never heard of him/her
limpid agate
Yes
wanton wedge
Kiriko is the new Support character.
woeful wren
They gotta explain the whole magic fox/dragon thing that right there is a plot hole
wanton wedge
I see. I should read up on her
Her. It's a girl.
woeful wren
Magic is magic so it doesn’t need to much of a explanation but at least a well made origin
worthy rose
vaugely defined magic systems almost never end well
wanton wedge
Magic is magic so it doesn’t need to much of a explanation but at least a well m...
They might have left that for fans to try and come up with theories. It doesn't always have to have a plot.
violet fractal
Since this got buried by the magic conversation
Asa, Kiriko's mother, was a swor...
Thank you, I always though the shimada's were more of a ruthless, cartel like gang but thats good to know
tulip parcel
whats the hashimoto gang?
worthy rose
just some gang
though I think they are a pretty powerful yakuza group
that took over the Shimada's got dispanded and filled that power vaccum
tulip parcel
were those the people in suits in the hanzo and genji cinematic or was that still shimada
worthy rose
those were the Hashimoto
we know that for sure because one of those gang members is also seen in the Kiriko cinematic
tulip parcel
ohh ok
grand nimbus
@limpid agate Is there a new link for the storm rising video btw?
Current one in loreshorts bring to deleted video
iron plume
!!shitposting @last gulch
twilit nacelleBOT
@last gulch Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Zero Hour: https://bit.ly/2JGfNBP
Wastelander: https://bit.ly/3O2Z8HP
Kiriko: https://bit.ly/3SPnLtS
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Sojourn: https://bit.ly/3KH4lmY
Junkerqueen: https://bit.ly/3tKMPrA
Kiriko: https://bit.ly/3qTLZXv
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2VOkcXh
peak escarp
<@195671081065906176> Is there a new link for the storm rising video btw?
https://youtu.be/6KbDuCl0YEU this one?
last ember
i have a question party guy
wanton wedge
That's ALL of the lores?
limpid agate
<@195671081065906176> Is there a new link for the storm rising video btw?
Use this instead https://bit.ly/2MLHkEU
grand nimbus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oB6PP12WKA Retribution doesn't work
peak escarp
grand nimbus
That's all, thanks 
peak escarp
if only Blizzard would upload these cutscenes on their own channel so we wouldn't have to rely on 3rd party vids
limpid agate
Yeah
The magic is annoying but its not the source of that. It just reinforces it.
I still dont like Kiriko as a character
It was pretty average overall
limpid agate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oB6PP12WKA Retribution doesn't work
Bitly version of that link Doctor Six posted: https://bit.ly/3VoOAab
grand nimbus
Yeah that's done already
worthy rose
Kiriko just doesn't feel like a character that naturally fits into the world
and it's more than just, the magic
but just her general lore
limpid agate
I also dont care for her personality in general
Its another case where the personality in the short does not match the personality in game
In the short she was kinda childish
worthy rose
yeah her uh
Starts a Gang War
Aight imma head out
rubbed me the wrong way
limpid agate
In game she's kind of a passive aggressive prick
worthy rose
Okay, well that could work for a design,
but with Kiriko it doesn't quite hit the mark, in my opinion at least
covert radish
the problem could just be that the short was a little too cliché, nothing really stood out
dense nebula
and it's more than just, the magic
but just her general lore
She feels more like a Paladins character
Actually yeah, she’s just a street version of Io from Paladins
wanton wedge
Actually yeah, she’s just a street version of Io from Paladins
Not really. She really isn't a street version of lo.
dense nebula
wanton wedge
I see it now
peak escarp
Kiriko looks nothing like Io
dense nebula
I heard a line in game that made me cringe earlier, it was Mercy calling Pharah her “Flying Knight in Shining Armor”
Don’t give those weirdos ammo to use Blizz
wanton wedge
Weirdos? 👁️ 👄 👁️ Are you talking about the queers of Overwatch?
limpid agate
They're talking about Pharmercy shippers.
wanton wedge
OH- I was about to say... we're not weird
wanton wedge
Isn't there a bunch of flirty voice lines between Mercy and Pharah tho?
limpid agate
No.
worthy rose
nah
peak escarp
there's more flirting between Genji and Mercy
wanton wedge
That would make sense
worthy rose
the only Pharah mercy interaction I remember pre overwatch 2 is Mercy saying Ana would be proud of Pharah and Pharah just went "lolmao, good joke"
wanton wedge
I remember that one. I giggled way to hard.
wanton wedge
there's more flirting between Genji and Mercy
What?
worthy rose
Pharah exhibiting some...motherless behavior
dense nebula
Inb4 we get a voice line of just McCassidy saying to a man “nice co-“
limpid agate
Genji and Mercy have flirting in Storm Rising, and they are the only heroes to have Valentines Day interactions
Among other things
dense nebula
Hot take: romance between playable characters in lore is always awful
limpid agate
Almost always yeah.
wanton wedge
Also is it just me or why does Junkrat seem to always get the good action? Cassidy and Mei. Literally, When he comments on Mei's clothing she tells him "Look somewhere else." Why? Just why?
dense nebula
And don’t tell me they’re hinting at something between Dva and Lucio with that DJ Dva spray
limpid agate
He is dirty and insane.
limpid agate
And don’t tell me they’re hinting at something between Dva and Lucio with that D...
They're fans of each other.
That's all.
worthy rose
Hot take: romance between playable characters in lore is always awful
gonna need some elaboration
limpid agate
They've never met.
dense nebula
gonna need some elaboration
Look no further than Apex and the shitty Love Triangle plot
worthy rose
I know nothing about Apex
worthy rose
I'm morbidly curious
wanton wedge
I know nothing about Apex
All you need to know is that half of the characters are queer and there is apparently a love triangle that I never knew about until now.
dense nebula
It involves a bi, lesbian and a soldier. As well as a grumpy Century old Assassin robot
worthy rose
okay that's kinda funny
dense nebula
Man they did Revenant dirty in that game. He was originally an actual threat but now he’s a Saturday morning cartoon villain who always gets the short end of the stick
wanton wedge
I'm still waiting for more Cassidy lore. I wanna dig deep into that mans old depression. Rip it part from part like a chicken.
worthy rose
seasonal rot is a bitch
even happened to Overwatch
wanton wedge
Man they did Revenant dirty in that game. He was originally an actual threat but...
Eh, his voicelines with Loba are funny.
dense nebula
Only bonus points he gets from me are the fact that Darin de Paul voices him
peak escarp
Genji: Thank you, Angela. Perhaps you could share them with me?
Genji (on Hanamura): Angela, I have some chocolates for you. ...Not Swiss.
Mercy: *sigh* I suppose it will have to do. Thank you, Genji.```But no seriously, I want more lore to Ashe, Cassidy, and Tracer. Like- (And yes I take this seriously) what really happened between Ashe and Cass... as for Tracer, I just want to see more of the british lovebug ❤️
dense nebula
``` Mercy (on Hanamura): I got you some chocolates, Genji. Swiss, they're the...
“I got you some chocolates”
“Ayo you sharing?”
Bruh, she got them for you
worthy rose
~~think it was right around when Cass stole her bike ~~
peak escarp
these are Valentines voice lines
dense nebula
He wants to share with her, bruh Genji why you say it weird?
peak escarp
he's trying to be coy
worthy rose
he's a cyborg doing his best give him a break
peak escarp
35
dense nebula
Holy shit he’s older than I thought
wanton wedge
I'm sorry- that man is 35?
peak escarp
Blizzard's art style makes everyone look younger
dense nebula
Mercy is 37
That does not line up at all with that og photo of the Overwatch team ngl
Mercy was like 18 in it and Pharah was a child
wanton wedge
Mercy is 17, Pharah is 12
Therefore Genji was 15?
past copper
Anyone else notice something familiar in Kiriko? Mr. Pompadour returned 😂
peak escarp
and yet again, his first instinct is to call for help
dense nebula
Why tf did I immediately think Lupin iii when I saw him?
peak escarp
Therefore Genji was 15?
Genji was 15 and not a cyborg yet
wanton wedge
Reinhardt is 61? Gah dang- Man is old- wait.. Born in 2015- yo if I was in the Overwatch universe I'd be in my 70's or 80's.
worthy rose
and yet again, his first instinct is to call for help
honestly makes him the smartest of the bunch I think
dense nebula
How old is Sigma?
peak escarp
How old is Sigma?
62
worthy rose
he knows their all gonna get their ass beat
so naturally you'll want some backup
wanton wedge
Sigma is 62
clear kestrel
Reinhardt is 61? Gah dang- Man is old- wait.. Born in 2015- yo if I was in the O...
reinhardt grew up with modern memes
think on that
past copper
and yet again, his first instinct is to call for help
It’s understandable why he’s cowardly. His boss is a crazy psycho
clear kestrel
imagine Reinhardt saying shit like "ZAT VAS POGGERS!"
peak escarp
Overwatch is set around 60 years in the future from now
we don't know the exact year
dense nebula
I’d be 80 💀
worthy rose
most "old" characters in Overwatch would definitely understand the memes of our time
that is uncanny to think about
clear kestrel
RIGHT?!?
dense nebula
Soldier running around calling people “Based” and “Cringe”
clear kestrel
which is funny because DVA says shit like that too
dense nebula
Speaking of Soldier, I saw his Soldier 1776 skin, I want it
wanton wedge
We don't really know how old Echo is..
clear kestrel
ALSO WAIT
you mean to fucking tell me 60 years in the future starcraft still has an esports scene?
dense nebula
ALSO WAIT
you mean to fucking tell me 60 years in the future **starcraft** still...
Microsoft money be a Hell of a thing
peak escarp
retro games will always be popular
clear kestrel
for esports?!
peak escarp
maybe Starcraft gets a revival and new versions come out
they could be on StarCraft 10
dense nebula
maybe Starcraft gets a revival and new versions come out
If it’s anything like Warcraft 3’s remaster
clear kestrel
which is funny because DVA says shit like that too
in 60 years current internet slang and vernacular never went out of style
wanton wedge
Okay, my theory was, if we take the eldest character from Overwatch and do the math correctly then we can figure out the year.. but uh... how does that work when Echo's birth is classified?
dense nebula
How old is Doomfist?
clear kestrel
and OW fell how many years ago at the time of the game?
peak escarp
45
peak escarp
and OW fell how many years ago at the time of the game?
6 years ago
worthy rose
Everyone looks good for their age in Overwatch
dense nebula
And many more are well endowed
wanton wedge
Soldier 76 was born in 2021.
dense nebula
clear kestrel
only in the rear
wanton wedge
6 years ago
Then that means she's not the eldest character
clear kestrel
is it weird that I kinda prefer JQs characterization in her animated short?
worthy rose
that's how it is for
most heroes in the game
wanton wedge
That means Reinhardt is the eldest character (61) So if he was in our world, Reinhardt would be, solidly by now, 7 years old.
clear kestrel
I mean most heroes characterization is consistent with how they're presented in their shorts
dense nebula
is it weird that I kinda prefer JQs characterization in her animated short?
Nope, I prefer it too
As well as her design in that
dense nebula
That means Reinhardt is the eldest character (61) So if he was in our world, Rei...
Sigma is the eldest
clear kestrel
they made her too bogan imo
wanton wedge
Sigma is the eldest
wait really?
dense nebula
wait really?
One year older
wanton wedge
sO he's a 2014 baby.
dense nebula
they made her too bogan imo
She sounds too unga bunga in game ngl
worthy rose
Doomfist in lore: wants to start a war that could and will get countless innocents killed or uprooted from their homes and livelyhoods destroyed all for the sake of "humanitys progress"
Doomfist in the game: Hot cocoa?...fine, i'll have some
wanton wedge
Wow okay my brain hurts.
dense nebula
If you know what I mean
dense nebula
Doomfist in lore: wants to start a war that could and will get countless innocen...
To his point, how could humanity survive the next major threat to themselves if they don’t learn to adapt and evolve fast enough?
worthy rose
and we can't forget the zinger and dey say- and dey sey- and dey say chilvary is dead.
wanton wedge
So Sigma would be 8.
In their world, he's 62.
Therefore... it's at least 2074 or 2075 for them.
iron plume
they made her too bogan imo
I mean
she's the leader of a group of fantasy-racist violent hicks living in an exploded husk of a factory in the middle of nowhere
why wouldn't she be bogan
clear kestrel
no you're right
peak escarp
we don't know what year Overwatch is set in, therefore we don't know what year any of the heroes were born
wanton wedge
we don't know what year Overwatch is set in, therefore we don't know what year a...
THEN HOW DO WE KNOW THEIR AGES?
dense nebula
What countries don’t we have reps from yet? And by countries I usually mean major named ones
clear kestrel
we know their ages
just not the year they were born
iron plume
The ages used to be in their bios
peak escarp
THEN HOW DO WE KNOW THEIR AGES?
their ages used to be listed on their bio pages
iron plume
To his point, how could humanity survive the next major threat to themselves if ...
His philosophy isn't particularly coherent if you dig down
but generally his take is that peace makes you complacent
wanton wedge
So all that math I did was for nothing?
dense nebula
His philosophy isn't particularly coherent if you dig down
I’d still side with it over Overwatch ngl
iron plume
I mean
It's fantasy-fascist vs fantasy-neocon
worthy rose
Doomfists plan kinda fails to take into account that war is more likely to set us back more than it helps
iron plume
I wouldn't side with either tbh
oh shit it's new vegas all over again
dense nebula
It’s the Skyrim Civil War all over again
worthy rose
ever hear a pretty little idea "Mutually Assured Destruction"
wanton wedge
So all we know is their ages and heights. Not birth years..
iron plume
skyrim civil war is more like imperialist vs nationalist
dense nebula
skyrim civil war is more like imperialist vs nationalist
Imperialist with a dash of foreign Imperialist
Can’t forget the Aldmeri Dominion
If they didn’t exist pretty sure Imperials and Stormcloaks would be good chums ngl
iron plume
I mean yea I'm talking about the aldmer ultimately since they're in charge
dense nebula
Who would voice Mauga when he gets added?
worthy rose
Honestly Doomfists plan reminds me alot of Senator Armstrong
dense nebula
What nationality is he anyways?
dense nebula
Honestly Doomfists plan reminds me alot of Senator Armstrong
Yeah, and both had some truth to them in the end
peak escarp
So all we know is their ages and heights. Not birth years..
we also don't know the ages for Sojourn, Junker Queen or Kiriko, since the new bios don't list ages
peak escarp
What nationality is he anyways?
Nigerian
peak escarp
what about him
wanton wedge
we also don't know the ages for Sojourn, Junker Queen or Kiriko, since the new b...
I mean... Kiriko is at least 18+. (I say this because she has her own apartment)
dense nebula
To voice Mauga
peak escarp
oh you were talking about Mauga
dense nebula
Yeah
peak escarp
Mauga's name is Samoan, so that's probably his nationality
grand nimbus
six, has the lore said yet how old kiriko is
peak escarp
Doomfist is Nigerian
dense nebula
Mauga's name is Samoan, so that's probably his nationality
Jason Momoa
peak escarp
six, has the lore said yet how old kiriko is
nope, only that she joined the Yokai gang at 20
dense nebula
I kid, maybe the guy who voiced Gibraltar in Apex?
clear kestrel
oh you were talking about Mauga
also he looks pretty damn samoan
peak escarp
so she's at least 20 years old
worthy rose
~~gotta get the rock in there to voice Mauga ~~
grand nimbus
👍 thanks
dense nebula
Gibraltar and his VA are Samoan too
clear kestrel
~~gotta get the rock in there to voice Mauga ~~
it's "terry crews should voice doomfist" all over again
only at least this time it would work because the Rock is Polynesian
peak escarp
the majority of heroes are voiced by someone who either shares their hero's nationality or ethnicity or both
worthy rose
DPS doomfist screaming about power as he zoomed around the map with get quaked on rollouts sounds utterly hilarious
peak escarp
only a handful are just Americans
covert sequoia
Don't remind me of the Terry crews incident 😭
dense nebula
the majority of heroes are voiced by someone who either shares their hero's nati...
Branscombe Richmond
iron plume
It wouldn't for many other reasons, but at least he's polynesian
clear kestrel
also according to what you left behind
apparently Talon heavy assaults come with shields?
or
Maugas armor does at least
dense nebula
He’s the voice of Gibraltar from Apex Legends, if you haven’t heard give him a listen and see if that could fit Mauga
covert sequoia
I feel like that voice would be a good fit ngl
peak escarp
Mauga got blown up by Baptiste at the end of What You Left Behind, so it's unlikely that he'll have the same kit as he did before
clear kestrel
also according to what you left behind
apparently Talon heavy assaults come with...
imagine dealing with that during retribution
clear kestrel
Mauga got blown up by Baptiste at the end of What You Left Behind, so it's unlik...
god they're gonna have some AMAZING interactions
peak escarp
yup
dense nebula
Mauga got blown up by Baptiste at the end of What You Left Behind, so it's unlik...
but I want mah damn dual minigun big boi smh
covert sequoia
I need more tanks to play not even lying
dense nebula
covert sequoia
I hope the ow campaign is great
peak escarp
Baptiste had an interaction in OW1 that referenced Mauga
dense nebula
We’re getting one tank in 2023, it could most likely be him
clear kestrel
he also has a Mauga spray
covert sequoia
I would like mauga to come in season 2
peak escarp
Sombra: Eager to see you again. Be careful.```oh yeah I think it would be cool if
assuming Bap gets a PVE mission against Talon
if he kills a heavy assault he says something like "THAT YOU MAUGA?"
covert sequoia
Sounds op
dense nebula
The CyberSamoan sounds metal ngl
worthy rose
sounds a bit impractical
covert sequoia
EVEN BETTER
clear kestrel
I could see Mauga basically functioning like reinhardt with more range
you charge to close distance and shred up close with your machine guns
covert sequoia
Idek what his ultimate would be
dense nebula
I could see his charge being more like a quick dash akin to what the Doomslayer has in Doom Eternal
clear kestrel
Idek what his ultimate would be
overcharging his guns maybe?
dense nebula
Idek what his ultimate would be
Obviously merge the mini guns into one big gun
covert sequoia
No watch him have like a uni beam like iron man or some shit
dense nebula
A Cyberized Mauga after the explosion with new mechanical arms that turn into guns with an under barrel each
Some form of defensive buff
And a high power ultimate
covert sequoia
He has big ass noob tubes too or some shit
dense nebula
Tbf, means he wouldn’t have an escape
covert sequoia
True
covert sequoia
Mhhm
With them tho you get to see their kind of slow movement and allows for some reaction imo
A Quick dash sounds better than it
AND I love it
dense nebula
Also undebarrel noob tube?
You’re thinking too small
Underbarrel dual flame throwers
Now that’s the spicy shit
covert sequoia
BRO WE NEED A FLAMETHROWER CHARACTER IN YHIS GAME RN
I'm surprised we don't already have one tbh
dense nebula
I think Mei was originally a chem based hero
A dude in a hazmat suit who most likely would’ve used a chem sprayer
covert sequoia
A character with biochemical weapons sounds like a Moira concept not even lying
Also if you don't mind me asking what is your pfp?
dense nebula
Baguettes
You see it used to be a dude with a fish mask drinking a sodey but I got cursed by a French man
covert sequoia
Wdym got by French man
keen stump
kiriko doing ninja signs gave me naruto vibes
tall sleet
that kid in the kiriko animated short is SO cute i want to cry
shut sage
that kid in the kiriko animated short is SO cute i want to cry
cant beat goku tho
keen stump
fax she was adorable, i also liked how they incorporated sign language into it, love it when narratives show things like that
keen stump
cant beat goku tho
the kid one shots
shut sage
helllll NAW, goku solos the whole overwatch verse
keen stump
😭😭
tall sleet
|| NOOOO not the old man ||
tall sleet
|| YASSS HE SURVIVED ||
tall sleet
yeah LOL
keen stump
W for old man surviving
tall sleet
based grandpa
keen stump
^^^
tall sleet
wtf this shit made me cry
keen stump
the cinematic made me wanna buy the battle pass just for kiriko😂
keen stump
they mid diff goku
shut sage
delusion
keen stump
😂😂
primal moth
Whats the lore for overwatch 2?
primal moth
Factual
keen stump
W kid
keen stump
😂😂
sly kettle
they should've explained more in her origin story, how she became the fox spirit
cause the magic is a bit extra for me when it comes to overwatch
like it's mythological in the same sense as hanzo and genji, but it feels less natural
rancid mulch
ember pendant
I feel like all the magical stuff should 100% be better explained after 3 characters that actively use it
4 if you include zen
ember pendant
I do feel like the dragons can be put down as a bloodline thing and maybe the same for kiriko but I don’t think we have anything about zen other then “he simply loves robot god”
ember pendant
zen you can kinda finesse the technology
Wdym finesse the technology
sly kettle
like the tech is so good it seems like magic
ember pendant
I think his ult is more then just technology
ember pendant
Lamp just seems like it’s in the same grey area as rez, it’s simply just a thing they can do, but even zen says that he just believes in the iris a lot
peak escarp
I feel like all the magical stuff should 100% be better explained after 3 charac...
we have tech that's used by several heroes and isn't explained
sly kettle
yeah I guess I feel with Zen since he's pure machine a lot of the technology can be included within him that we see from those like bap and mercy
even his personality is technically a program
ember pendant
Really? I think him and other robots like him are just intelligent enough to not have to rely on a program for all their thinking (I know there’s a word for it I just can’t rennet it)
Like at first maybe they had a program but maybe they’ve abandoned it in some way. like bastion 100% wasn’t like that in the omnic crisis
sly kettle
yeah true that's definitely a way to look at it too
I was thinking on the lines of i robot
but even then I still feel zen is intelligent enough to build something that can do what mercy and bap can
like if he wasn't a machine at all and he executed his ult the same way, I'd think 100% magic.. but its just cause he's technology itself that I'm on the fence
ember pendant
I wish we knew literally anything about the iris instead of like 2-3 things that don’t even tell much
That would make zens lore as a whole easier to understand
sly kettle
yeah and sadly I dont think they'll come back to it
ember pendant
Blizzard has to stop releasing hero’s faster then they can develop lore for the current ones
It’s kinda annoying when we get a new character with a bunch of lore when there are launch characters that have half the amount
I am happy that kiriko brought some genji and hanzo lore
sly kettle
yeah my issue is with these new characters lore having nothing to do with the actual Overwatch
like at what point do they even get involved
ember pendant
I can’t complain about that much cause there have been characters with 0 relation to overwatch in the game since launch, half of the launch roster at least had no relation
But at this point it doesn’t make sense to not release more overwatch or talon related characters
ember pendant
dva, zen(other then genji), hanzo, Lucio, and that’s it since my rat brain thought it was more but that’s still a good handful
Also pharah didn’t have any relation to overwatch until ana released I think
Oh and sym
sly kettle
yeah I think dva was like a regional overwatch or something i dont remember
genji def was overwatch.. lucio i think was later. Hanzo though, they dropped the ball there I'd say
sly kettle
i dont really remember what they had on pharah and sym.. wasn't sym part of a tech company
ember pendant
sojourn literally is former overwatch
Who said she wasn’t
dreamy epoch
bap is former talon turned overwatch
sigma is a talon pawn
echo was developed by an overwatch ally
sly kettle
echo and bap I kenw.. not sigma
ember pendant
genji def was overwatch.. lucio i think was later. Hanzo though, they dropped th...
Yeah hanzo 100% could’ve been a new member and it would’ve devolved his relationship with his brother
dreamy epoch
the newer characters all have connections
sure kiriko and queen don't but they have connections to other characters
sly kettle
who are we assuming kiriko has relations with?
dreamy epoch
e.g. genji and the junkers
genji and hanzo
she literally trained with them as children
ember pendant
the newer characters all have connections
sure kiriko and queen don't but they ...
We are talking about overwatch relations specifically, like og members and members who she been mentioned but not in the game
sly kettle
she literally trained with them as children
where was that mentioned?
sly kettle
oh i must've forgot lmao
ember pendant
Yeah her mom trained both of them
The three of them*
Not very significant but still some nice lore
sly kettle
that makes me a bit more disappointed in the new short then
sly kettle
it just didn't connect with them at all in a sense back to overwatch
hanzo's connected through genji
hers felt like it doesn't involve overwatch
dreamy epoch
yeah it doesn't
ember pendant
Those three have unresolved storys so I wouldn’t say so soon
dreamy epoch
that's the point though
sly kettle
I just don't want a zero hour short and she shows up and we have no idea how she got involved
ember pendant
Kiriko could join thru genji and so can hanzo, but the brothers still would have the unresolved storyline of hanzo forgiving himself
dreamy epoch
there's a reason why zero hour exists though
ember pendant
I just don't want a zero hour short and she shows up and we have no idea how she...
Wdym??
terse aspen
Literally 6 backfill games in a row, first one without we have 4 leavers
sly kettle
i dont mean specifically zero hour
terse aspen
Fun
dreamy epoch
because the people there actually do have connections to overwatch
sly kettle
but I mean a short where everyone comes together
ember pendant
oh
sly kettle
like echo made sense
ember pendant
So far everyone but the junkers really have a connection to overwatch in some way
And sym
But she worked with moira if that counts
sly kettle
yeah that counts imo
dreamy epoch
the point of characters like symmetra and JQ (not the whole point but one of) isn't to connect to overwatch
it's to build a world
ember pendant
Sym barely builds the world imo, I get junker queen tho
dreamy epoch
yeah there may be a few too many junkers as three's a crowd
sly kettle
yeah her story doesn't relate to anything really
ember pendant
Her story just buffs hogs and rats but that’s it
dreamy epoch
but if you don't mention symmetra then you won't have Lucio antagonizing her
ember pendant
And they aren’t even related to overwatch other then the ana interactions
ember pendant
but if you don't mention symmetra then you won't have Lucio antagonizing her
TRUE
dreamy epoch
sym doesn't have to relate to anything
ember pendant
More Lucio voice lines makes season 1-2 sym worth it
dreamy epoch
Lucio happens to be related to overwatch now
sly kettle
lol yeah those are great
ember pendant
Surprisingly
sly kettle
he's like post recall I think
dreamy epoch
but that has nothing to do with why he resents symmetra or the vishkar corporation
ember pendant
They let the funny music man into the group for entertainment
sly kettle
wasn't it her tech that effected his country or something?
dreamy epoch
it very much was
sly kettle
I think the interactions in that case is "good" from a humor perspective
but still not sure her involvement in OW tbh
ember pendant
Interactions aren’t enough to build the world tbh
sly kettle
nahh i dont think so either
ember pendant
Unless the say something about the characters past then it’s usually something that doesn’t really add to the lore
peak escarp
of the launch heroes, Bastion, D.Va, Hanzo, Junkrat, Lucio, Pharah, Roadhog, Symmetra, Zarya and Zenyatta had no connection to Overwatch
dreamy epoch
yeah they're not enough but it's better than nothing
see: pve mode in 2023
dreamy epoch
the game Overwatch has a lot of non-Overwatch characters
because
that's simply how the world works
ember pendant
of the launch heroes, Bastion, D.Va, Hanzo, Junkrat, Lucio, Pharah, Roadhog, Sym...
Bastion has a loose tie to overwatch thru torb
dreamy epoch
if everyone worked at the grocery store, there'd be no one making the food, or however a saying there goes
launch bastion does not though
because prior to OW 2 bastion had not yet met torb
sly kettle
the game Overwatch has a lot of non-Overwatch characters
yeah but when pvp comes out there might be some people excluded
dreamy epoch
technically OW 1 bastion would just be like him waking up in the last bastion
ember pendant
because prior to OW 2 bastion had not yet met torb
There’s a comic where they meet that was released around 2017
Where torb was sent to kill bastion but he finds out that bastions just a little dude who chills out and likes birds
dreamy epoch
wait that was that long ago
yeesh
ember pendant
Yeah I know
dreamy epoch
what the heck blizzard
ember pendant
it’s crazy
But that’s why bastion is so different in ow2, he’s had time to be improved by the goat torb
dreamy epoch
alright point standing though
I have no idea what goes on in the other hemisphere of the world
to me, other countries do their own thing and I do mine
sonic goblet
Is bastion a omnic? However it’s spelled
ember pendant
Idk actually
dreamy epoch
that's how overwatch should appear to a large majority of the world
ember pendant
He was designed by torb but he fought for the omnics in eichenwald
sonic goblet
so is he one?
ember pendant
Yea sure
sonic goblet
because torb designed all of the onnics
ember pendant
Can’t qualify him as anything else tbh
Torb fr started the entirety of the overwatch lore like a chad
sonic goblet
He’s like the zen Of omnics, a changed robot
ember pendant
They need to touch on that more
I want a mini comic where torb looks at his programming to understand why he isn’t a murder bot like the other bastion models
ember pendant
I don’t thinks she counts
Omnics are made by that factory thing that’s run by an AI (idk the name)
But she’s like Orisa, made by a human
peak escarp
Orisa is an omnic though
peak escarp
yes
dapper canopy
Imagine that this is all a dream in one of their heads....
bronze granite
i’m new to all of this lore is there like any place i can go read about the lore or a video that explains it ?
grand wedge
i’m new to all of this lore is there like any place i can go read about the lore...
Look at the pinned messages on this channel - or if you want something short you can check SVB last video to know the basics for OW2 moving forward
peak escarp
i’m new to all of this lore is there like any place i can go read about the lore...
this video summarizes it pretty quickly - you can look into more of the lore sources if you want more details
(I consulted on this video so it's well researched)
bronze granite
thank you 😔🙏🏽
peak escarp
I would link Hammeh's video since it's better, but he took it down to adjust some things
blissful thicket
Bro In Ana’s origin story their is a guy in bottom left in the team photo
Who is that ?
crisp axle
What do you guys think of making OW into a movie, as opposed to just shorts?
bronze granite
or a show 🤷🏽♂️
crisp axle
Yes
I’m of the opposite opinion. Even if it’s not as much of a bomb as WOW, I think most players would be disappointed. As excellently as the team makes the shorts, an 8-minute feature is much less difficult to do well than a 120-minute film.
crisp axle
or a show 🤷🏽♂️
That could work better. I can see 22- or 30-minute episodes working.
wanton wedge
Confusion has struck me like a bottle of hot sauce. Was looking through lore… Tracer has been confirmed as gay, right? So… WHY AM I FINDING STUFF ON CASSIDY BEING BI AND SOLDIER 76 BEING GAY???? Did I miss something?
crisp axle
Confusion has struck me like a bottle of hot sauce. Was looking through lore… Tr...
Soldier’s been revealed to be gay for a long time, no? Let me see if I can find the tweet; I think Michael Chu (the former lore director or whatever the title) confirmed it back in 2018 or 2019.
Masculine homosexual representation 
wanton wedge
How in the hell am I just finding out that Soldier 76, the man I have kinned since I was 12, is gay. But what about Cole Cassidy?
crisp axle
How in the hell am I just finding out that Soldier 76, the man I have kinned sin...
“Kinned”? Don’t think I get this lingo.
wooden sleet
didnt he have a short story revealing he is gay and an event with his ex bf as a spray
cunning ledge
nothing has been said about cassidy's sexuality
wooden sleet
cassidy is just pure fan speculation
wanton wedge
“Kinned”? Don’t think I get this lingo.
Wrong choose of words my bad. I meant favored
wooden sleet
kinned is a fine word
mighty cargo
I would love to see an overwatch show/anime to show the backstory of the game
wooden sleet
who knows after the success of arcane maybe they will get green lights to do it
mighty cargo
Hopefully if they do it right it could be one of the best video game shows made
crisp axle
Zarya is totally a butch lesbian, right? Like that’s just staring us in the face.
stable shell
Bro i hate moira’s design but im good w her… im conflited
cunning ledge
code of violence is great
feels a bit overdue but i'm really glad we got some insight into the character
what you left behind is still my favourite though
late bronze
what is reapers orgin story? cuz im pretty sure soldier had something to do with it
clear kestrel
what you left behind is still my favourite though
Baps story is awesome too
cunning ledge
i really hope to see mauga in the game soon
grand wedge
Who is that ?
we don't know yet
worthy rose
“Kinned”? Don’t think I get this lingo.
Kinning basically means you relate to a character
crisp axle
Kinning basically means you relate to a character
Ah, got it.
worthy rose
I’m of the opposite opinion. Even if it’s not as much of a bomb as WOW, I think ...
I understand your opinion. I want an Overwatch show like Arcane
stuck lark
I TOOK THE WOOOOOOOOOK TO POLAND
desert yacht
why do kiriko's interactions portray her as a child
like she can't be more than like 7 years younger than genji
dreamy epoch
even if she isn't
that's a difference of 7 years
surely you've at least met a pair of people with a similar age differential
relative to genji she still sort of is a child
grand wedge
According to Genji's (old) bio, if Kiriko is in her early 20's - they have at least 14-16 age gap ahah
grand wedge
why do kiriko's interactions portray her as a child
because she is! She is a young adult and they didn't care of the previous established lore
They didn't do the mistake with the JunkerQueen : her short is about 10 years before her ingame model and how she looks NOW that she has been Queen for that long and is older and has experience
desert yacht
you are telling me that genji is 10+ years older than her
grand wedge
YUP
desert yacht
bro looks 10
desert yacht
they really fucked this one up
grand wedge
I really think they did
but keep faith! They removed the ages on the biographies so they can mask their mistakes and just retcon things
(i'm still bit bitter, i'm in the anger stage of mourning the previous lore)
grand wedge
well, if magic and spirit world is a thing now, you can have new threaths and people wanting to create some techh to control it, easy
desert yacht
it just looks like they're throwing around timeskips without any regard for how they actually work
grand wedge
they don't have a lore historian for Overwatch, and it shows
grand wedge
when Chu left - (and Chu did mess up things at time and pointed it out / like they cancelled first Strike that would have been full of inconsistancies) - I feel like he was the only thing that prevented this kind of timeline messed up and chronology disparancies is gone
desert yacht
because it sure fucking looks like they needed more time