Giving someone religious a weapon that is confusing to the masses and the religious person saying its because of god
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
Doesnt mean its actually because of god
Thats a very common trope in a lot of media and science fiction overall
glossy arrow
yeah im aware
past copper
Look there is literally a show that could put this argument in a better perspective. If you’re willing to watch it
glossy arrow
so if you were to speculate about zenyattas healing abilites right now, what would you say?
how would you explain it
past copper
Ancient Aliens. Closer to argument as you’re gonna get
limpid agate
Now? Probably magic.
Occams Razor
Magic exists, so it is annoyingly the simplest and most reasonable explanation given its unexplainability
past copper
She doesn’t res anyone
glossy arrow
genji
past copper
It’s her suit healing
past copper
Genji was near death. They brought him back to base and Mercy operated. That’s the best explanation
past copper
Plus, I don’t think Mercy even actually had her suit yet around the time Genji was nearly killed
limpid agate
She shouldnt have
But its not impossible
Most timelining is done with ranges
At any point between her joining Overwatch and before Uprising, the suit was made
glossy arrow
aight give me one second i think i got an idea for kiriko
also
are reapers soul orbs cannon
from like 2016 overwatch
limpid agate
No
glossy arrow
fuck
limpid agate
Those and Discord Orb were used as explicit examples of things that dont exist int he lore
past copper
Just saying Genji was high grounded by Hanzo, it’s possible to survive. For a few minutes or hours. Depends on how much you wanna live really
And how fast doctors can stop the bleeding and keep you alive
glossy arrow
if we use the definition of spirit as "the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul."
then i think spirits wouldnt need to be considered magic.
past copper
Though, we still have no idea how extensive Genji’s injures were in his battle with Hanzo. We have pieces of it, but don’t completely understand what Hanzo did. I doubt he could’ve cut Genji to pieces, but there’s not much else that we know of that could’ve done that to him
glossy arrow
Though, we still have no idea how extensive Genji’s injures were in his battle w...
we know that genji was near death
rotund ermine
she can't res
glossy arrow
ik
rotund ermine
past copper
Honestly, I think maybe Genji was stabbed by Hanzo on top of a building and he fell to the unforgiving ground below. He’d be lucky to survive, but he’s not walking away from the injuries. That’s just my guess
grand wedge
Here is my rant about Kiriko & Hanzo and Genji's age - because they kinda messed up with the age of their characters... again : https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/xjlt0s/overwatch_messing_their_own_timeline_up_more/
wooden sleet
this whole magic discussion really just feels like making a mountain out of a mole hill kind of scenario
rotund ermine
blame blizzard for making ow lore so vague
lacks transparency
and not in a good way that makes the "mystery" exciting
rotund ermine
i agree and disagree, they have some phenomenal writers
but for ow i think they're doing it very sloppily
rotund ermine
they just write themselves into corners
i mean winston outpunched doomfist, winston canonically strongest hero wooo go steroid monkey
glossy arrow
woooo
opaque tundra
OW has good writers they're just not very organized
rotund ermine
end result is still the same
glossy arrow
i think i would summarize it as "they take shortcuts"
white cobalt
Here is my rant about Kiriko & Hanzo and Genji's age - because they kinda messed...
lol, on the short i was expecting their age like Kiriko 6, Genji 12, Hanzo 16.
opaque tundra
Oh yeah they screwed up their ages. Read the post
verbal smelt
Lol
rotund ermine
reading rn, this is a meme
and y'all wonder why i criticize and joke on the lore so much
so much potential even still
opaque tundra
Maybe they meant to say '17' and someone screwed up with the script? We don't know how long the Hashimoto has been around for. I'm trying to figure out which age/date is wrong
grand wedge
lol, on the short i was expecting their age like Kiriko 6, Genji 12, Hanzo 16.
big same ...
rotund ermine
ngl i wanna see hanzo use a sword just once, or what his sword looked like
slightly offtopic but still ontopic
grand wedge
Maybe they meant to say '17' and someone screwed up with the script? We don't kn...
i kinda hope it is... but let's be real : they wanted a young japanese girl and just didn't take in consideration all the lore they already gave us
white cobalt
Kiriko looks so young, and i was expecting her to be more close in age to the Shimadas like 28-30ish
considering genji is 35, hanzo 39
grand wedge
according to the origin story, i was expecting it too
rotund ermine
Kiriko looks so young, and i was expecting her to be more close in age to the Sh...
not possible, she gotta look like a pretty anime waifu for all the middle age simps
glossy arrow
how old is she actually?
rotund ermine
20
glossy arrow
oh really?
opaque tundra
Is she 20 for certain?
rotund ermine
who actually knows atm cuz they got the ages messed up anyways
white cobalt
she is 20 when joined her gang
grand wedge
Kiriko 20 when she joined the Yokai. Still, the Shimada clan fell 12 years before that
rotund ermine
but she is suppose to be pretty young yea
opaque tundra
She's 20 when she joined the gang so she could possibly be older
opaque tundra
Yeah it doesn't. I'm just trying to make sense of it and see where the mistake is
rotund ermine
i could believe shes in her late 20s at most
white cobalt
only we know when she joined the gang. We dont know her age as for current OW2
rotund ermine
but her face looks extremely young
white cobalt
23-25 give or take
opaque tundra
A lot of ppl look younger than their actual age
white cobalt
Tracer is 26 and looks more adult than Kiriko
not so young
and Kiriko looks like 19 same as Dva
opaque tundra
It's just the art style. I wouldn't think on it too much
rotund ermine
yea but it'd be stupid for a game to have ages not reflect their looks
for multiple characters
starting a weird trend of inconsistency like that would just be weird
white cobalt
I mean i get the art style
white cobalt
Mercy is 37 and doesnt look like that, although Ow2 mercy looks like in her mids 40 lol
rotund ermine
yea i'll prob retract the statement. they gotta make the girls look young regardless for the simps
white cobalt
anyways, 2 week for them to update their bio gallery
rotund ermine
Mercy is 37 and doesnt look like that, although Ow2 mercy looks like in her mids...
u trippin, mercy still looks mega young
not a single wrinkle or blemish, it'd hurt blizzards wallet to do such a thing
i forgot that she was over 30 lol
white cobalt
the haircut gives me mid 40s vibes lol
opaque tundra
I think they messed up Kiriko's age. Everything else might be right
white cobalt
considering Team 4 isn't like OG team 4 anymore.
limpid agate
I do want to learn more about these characters though. These are very cool designs
white cobalt
new writers, lead artists, lead designer. Considering Geoff quits.
limpid agate
Oh Geoff quit too
Yeah we're in a ship of theseus situation here.
Which is also why the lore is getting messy with magic
rotund ermine
oh boy.
white cobalt
Geoff was mainly "i want some hero like Ryu""i want some reference to this and this"
so Team 4 is basically new blood and direction
rotund ermine
Geoff was mainly "i want some hero like Ryu""i want some reference to this and t...
what
rotund ermine
right but aside from that wdym
limpid agate
He even has a Shoryuken
rotund ermine
he made 1 big sf reference hero
how does that relate to him quitting atm during kiriko release
im just confused to why that team is gone
white cobalt
No, i mean Geoff was the lead designer for the heroes
rotund ermine
rip
white cobalt
and the winks on some of those designs comes from him and jeff, and a bit of others.
white cobalt
I do want to learn more about these characters though. These are very cool desig...
also they still throwing gangs/teams with possibilties to be integrated in game or PvE. Even though they're like very secondary to the plot.
Ashe and Deadlock gang, Dva and Meka team, now Kiriko and Yokai
and makes me wonder were puts Kiriko in the story. Like it's she a wanderer? just a little hero in her hometown?
because the only relation is the shimadas
rotund ermine
bloodhound gang lmao i remember first reading that
rotund ermine
lmao
limpid agate
She's just a little hero in her hometown
If there is a story mission in Tokyo
She may make an appearance
white cobalt
also surprised her last name wasn't Yamagami
limpid agate
They also introduced the feral omnics and 5 metal demons in the outback
Which Junkerqueen destroyed already
white cobalt
Kamori
white cobalt
Would make for an interesting story to show
oh those for PvE as some kind of bosses or tanks, would be great.
rotund ermine
alone?
rotund ermine
bruh lmfao
limpid agate
And yes
rotund ermine
ow lore man
limpid agate
Kiriko respects traditions to honor her grandmother, who gave her last name to hide and protect her. But she recognizes the need to change, adapt, and progress, just like her mother. As Kiriko would say, "You can't change the world by following all the rules.”
She uses her Grandmother's last name
Whic his useful now because the Hashimoto were hunting down the Yamagami
white cobalt
Oh, makes sense.
glossy arrow
also 4 years ago Michael Chu confirmed hanzos dragon was a spirit in an interview with WIRED
limpid agate
also 4 years ago Michael Chu confirmed hanzos dragon was a spirit in an intervie...
No he didnt. He was telling a story about the development of Hanzo's ult and how it looked like a caterpillar. The ultimate's name is "Spirit Dragon"
4 years ago Michael Chu confirmed Hanzo's dragon was not magic in an interview.
glossy arrow
never said it was magic
limpid agate
Yes you did
Spirit = Magic
In every fantasy world where you can find that keyword used, its a form of magic.
Whether its WoW Druids, DND Priests, or fantasy ninjas in your choice of Japanese series with fantasy ninjas
glossy arrow
spirit ≠ magic
limpid agate
Yes it does
limpid agate
If you want to be specific about the choice of words
The word used for Magic in Thai correlates to all mysticism
Which includes Spirituality
เวทมนตร์
The word is Mantra
Youve probably heard the word in relation to Buddhism
Or Hinduism
limpid agate
Because thats the language of the interview that deconfirmed magic
white cobalt
the interview was from a thai site
limpid agate
The word is Mantra
Well, this wasn't 1:1 accurate
Mantra is the second half fo the word
Its Secret + Mantra
Or Sacred + Mantra
But again, the term has relation to Buddhism and Hinduism
glossy arrow
holy shit wait michael chu quit 2 years ago?
past copper
I just wanna go on record and say that Overwatch is unique because it uses advanced futuristic science and technology without adding extra things like in other games or movies. Such as like aliens, overused superheroes, or magic.
That’s what people loved about Overwatch lore. It stayed grounded to the theme and didn’t have to get by on overused tropes. But if they just come up outta left field and say a character is magic, it throws the theme of the game out the window and makes it another overused sci-fi fantasy like Star Wars, League of Legends, Mass Effect etc.
white cobalt
But again, the term has relation to Buddhism and Hinduism
ironically they have denied magic but not so much about spiritualism
limpid agate
ironically they have denied magic but not so much about spiritualism
That was my point with this
The specific word has application in spiritual contexts
limpid agate
Maybe I am mistaken there, Im not Thai
glossy arrow
or strictly interpreting*
past copper
Still, hate throwing this out there, but a majority of new devs have kinda pushed out any original ones and thus probably aren’t too up to date with the lore surrounding Overwatch. So they probably aren’t ALL aware that there is no magic in this scientifically advanced/modern futuristic world.
Hence the mistake of saying Kiriko uses magic and screwing up her age. Which I’m sure someone is trying to fix right now or the devs have just completely thrown all logic and years worth of work out the window
past copper
They’d have to fix both or it will create controversy. Controversy that Overwatch really can’t deal with right now since people are crying over battlepass and paywall because they don’t listen
karmic turret
No, i mean Geoff was the lead designer for the heroes
Wait did Geoff Goodman leave?
past copper
Yes. Apparently. Which explains the controversy around Kiriko
white cobalt
Wait did Geoff Goodman leave?
Yes
white cobalt
Yes. Apparently. Which explains the controversy around Kiriko
Controversy?
past copper
Controversy?
Her age and the magic thing
cosmic crest
Didn't he only just leave recently? Heroes take years to develop.
karmic turret
He left earlier in the year
white cobalt
They have a bunch of art/references tho
barren fjord
Wait did Geoff Goodman leave?
idk why this is circulating in the news again. this was public knowledge no?
karmic turret
first I've heard of it
past copper
Honestly, I’ve tried looking into it. I actually don’t see confirmation of Kiriko being magic. Might have to post either this tweet or interview. Though, I’ll bet they actually said it jokingly
barren fjord
i think they confirmed it wasent nano bots or hard light or something like that
obviously its the same thing hanzos and genjis spirit dragons are made of
past copper
No I still stand by the brothers using hardlight
We don’t know yet either way, but if someone in the devs said magic, they probably meant it jokingly or because they love Kiriko. People almost always over exaggerate a character they love. Hence the power scaling conversations
barren fjord
giving physical enhancements is something we have yet to see hard light do. we have seen it choose to be solid to some things and ignore so others but hanzos and genjis spirit dragons dosent seem to physically hurt their target. maybe some sort of "spirit tech" could finaly explain the shimadas and kirikos unique set of abilities, nothing is stopping them from doing so
past copper
Symmetry’s orbs and lasers are basically from her hardlight. They’re more meat to drain a target rather than actually kill. Hanzo’s dragon does the same while honestly Genji’s doesn’t seem to do anything. Maybe enhance the cutting power to his blade since he literally cut a robots fingers clean off with it
devout sable
Kiriko said the fox spirit has been with her family "for generations"
I genuinely think she ended up inadvertently introducing magic to Overwatch lol
white cobalt
i dont think it is inadvertenly, it's basically a new team and philosophy
past copper
Of course it’s been in the family for generations. It’s based on Japanese folklore. Every culture has a spirit or deity in their family. That doesn’t mean it’s magic, just people’s beliefs
Heck, we still don’t have an explanation for her eyes glowing
devout sable
people's beliefs don't tend to manifest into actual fox spirits
past copper
Not unless they have the tech to make it look real
Cartoons can’t jump off the screen either, but that changed when we created hologram projectors didn’t it
devout sable
i dont think it is inadvertenly, it's basically a new team and philosophy
true, I just wanted to comment on how it is both sudden and impactful despite being seemingly… coincidental? not really the right word either, hm.
limpid agate
They’d have to fix both or it will create controversy. Controversy that Overwatc...
It wont make controversy because the large amount of the playerbase doesnt care
They will probably fix the age thing
But they wont retcon the magic
peak escarp
I care more about her age/the timeline than the magic
glossy arrow
weird
peak escarp
why is that weird?
the timeline is something that has been relatively consistent up to this point
the existence of magic/spirits has been plausible because of Genji/Hanzo's dragons - it was only the dev's word that was keeping it off the table
tall sleet
actually nutty that overwatch will possibly have magic in their story now and i got dogged on in this channel just a few days ago for saying i think the inclusion of magic would be fun LOL
peak escarp
the lore is subject to change
tall sleet
magic prevails!
peak escarp
magic still has its limits and isn't an explanation for everything
glossy arrow
actually nutty that overwatch will possibly have magic in their story now and i ...
my point exactly
glossy arrow
magic still has its limits and isn't an explanation for everything
i completely agree
still dont like calling spiritualism magic tho
even tho by technicality it is
past copper
I still say not magic. It’s just Kiriko’s beliefs being manifested throw technology. Because you can’t say magic until we get an explanation about her eyes glowing. Which obviously is important
Because apparently that’s an important to both her and Sojourn it seems
peak escarp
Sojourn's has an explanation
cybernetics
the origin trailer tells us it's a fox spirit
the dev trailer tells us it's a fox spirit
sounds like an explanation to me
past copper
Because what else are they gonna call something that Kiriko’s family worshipped and respected for centuries? Cyber Fox? Holo Fox?
Plus, I’d like to point out everyone is forgetting other heroes with abilities like this. Symmetra, Echo, and soon to be in OW2 Orisa
peak escarp
those are all confirmed to be hard light
there's no plausible explanation for Kiriko's abilities being hard light, since she had them as a child
past copper
I don’t know. We actually don’t know how all tech works in Overwatch. Because I guarantee Genji, Torbjörn, Akande, Sojourn have had to update their cybernetics every once in awhile since tech can’t last forever
Would it be impossible to believe Kiriko had some small cybernetics as a child?
past copper
Now if Kiriko was blind when she was born but given cybernetic eyes, that would show more advancements in Overwatch tech and make her an even more interesting character
opaque tundra
Maybe her family liked injecting themselves with hard light and embedded healing technology in the ink of the papers (half joking). I have no idea about the teleporting. It's mosy likely similar to Sombra's translocator
peak escarp
don't hurt yourself reaching so far
past copper
The tech in her eyes would explain the fox spirit but I still say the kunai are technology somehow. Because those are not normal looking kunai
opaque tundra
The kunai look normal to me
limpid agate
Maybe her family liked injecting themselves with hard light and embedded healing...
It's mosy likely similar to Sombra's translocator
That wouldnt have existed yet
Sombra's translocator is based on the tech from Tracer's Chronal Accelerator
Which was built 7 years ago
Kiriko isn't 14
peak escarp
the kunai are the most normal things about her
past copper
I wouldn’t be surprised if the kunai helped her teleport in the lore, but then again, Genji “teleported” in smoke so idk
limpid agate
She teleported as a kid
In the origin short
Its not from Kunais
She also teleports through walls canonically too
glossy arrow
likely more fox spirit bs
limpid agate
Yup
opaque tundra
I find the idea of a bunch of spirit stuff just vibing casually in Japan kinda funny. I wonder how many ppl know about this stuff in universe
weary bough
It’s really neat
dreamy epoch
i like her as a character
barren fjord
i mean genjis dragon being green disproves that it is hardlight which is exlusivley light blue so spirits makes the most sense
peak escarp
gold hard light
peak escarp
i mean genjis dragon being green disproves that it is hardlight which is exlusiv...
green hard light
glossy arrow
hardlight rgb
barren fjord
hardlight rgb
i dont think thats hardlight
with zen we know his power comes from the iris which is what i assume is the in game universe way of healing the body.
orisas halt dosent seem to follow normal hard light behavior. it seems more in line with lucio sonic technology. when triggered, halt makes a loud *boooowamp sound
glossy arrow
i dont think thats hardlight
with zen we know his power comes from the iris whi...
look under
thats not zen in fact
its symmetra
at fish card
also lucios sonic tech is hard light lol
and so is orisa hault
barren fjord
its separate tech but its made for vishkar so i dont dubt it has some elements of hardlight
glossy arrow
what
lucios tech he stole from vishkar
which is explicitly stated to be hard light
lucios tech that is
i am an average hard light denier but i know whats actually hard light
barren fjord
i cant recall any interactions or post that say that but ill look into it
i am pretty certain that whenever there is any yellow holograms it is usually either mercys nanotech or power of the iris
glossy arrow
i am pretty certain that whenever there is any yellow holograms it is usually ei...
also, lucios skates
that is not nano tech or iris power
still hard light
By extension, the fusion driver is stated to replace Orisa's hard-light caster. This, however, does not appear to match Orisa's in-game functionality, where her fusion driver is located on her right arm, while her caster is mounted on her left arm.
this is from orisas wiki page, in context of sojourn giving orisa her weapon
peak escarp
i dont think thats hardlight
with zen we know his power comes from the iris whi...
Symmetra made the gold hardlight
“Actually, no. I said give them whatever they wanted, and…you did. It’s beautiful,
Satya. Exactly right. Although, why did you choose yellow light, and not blue?”
“It is how the moment was described to me,” she said. “Also…blue is a
beautiful color, but it is cold. This is a temple dedicated to remembering the ultimate
act of love: self-sacrifice. And love…is warm.”```hmm, i guess i forgot this line
peak escarp
Lucio's skates are hard light, confirmed by The Hero of Numbani
barren fjord
yeah, that i know
peak escarp
Orisa's Halt is powered by a Luxor Hard Light Caster
a hard light product NOT made by Vishkar
glossy arrow
made by overwatch, right?
glossy arrow
which shows they don't have a monopoly on hard light
they are just industry leaders
like apple vs every other phone
but tim cook is instead evil sanjay
peak escarp
yep
barren fjord
which shows they don't have a monopoly on hard light
no, control over hardlight is inherited
glossy arrow
not at all
peak escarp
...what
barren fjord
or at least geneticly tied
peak escarp
it's not
peak escarp
Symmetra learned how to use it from Vishkar
glossy arrow
they are not hard light
glossy arrow
nothing about hard light has inheritence
maybe if you believe the dragons are hard light
but thats pretty much debunked
past copper
Nothing is debunked about the dragons being hardlight. It’s still confirmed not magic
glossy arrow
"not magic"
past copper
Spirits means magic. So either someone in the devs was stupid in saying they’re not magic or the devs have just took a step back to when Overwatch 1 first released. Before solid lore
glossy arrow
spirits do not mean magic
barren fjord
nothing about hard light has inheritence
i read something about the ability to use hardlight was rare but mybe i misinterpreted it. ill keep looking but so far no luck
dreamy epoch
spirits do not mean magic (2)
peak escarp
spirits are magic, by definition
glossy arrow
by strict interpretation
barren fjord
"After she was identified as one of the few capable of becoming a light-bending architech, Vaswani was plucked from extreme poverty and placed in the care of Vishkar's Architech Academy"
its a rare trait but it dosent mention heritage so thats mb
peak escarp
the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature.
barren fjord
i do agree with the dragons being spirits. it seems it needs to be tied to something though, hanzos tatoos, genjis blade, kirikos eyes. all of those things glow when the summoning occurs
peak escarp
if it looks like magic and it behaves like magic, it's magic
limpid agate
Correction. If it looks like magic and it behaves like magic, and is not science, it's magic
peak escarp
yes that
barren fjord
it is supernatural, but so is a lot of other stuff in ow. all of moiras experiments do something supernatural. the word magic just covers too many things
limpid agate
From the emails they sent out
Once again
Ancient way of healing
This isnt something they are gonna handwave
peak escarp
Overwatch is set 60 years in our future - her grandmother would have likely been born around the 1980s-1990s
long before they had any of the tech used in Overwatch
gilded grove
well if her grandmother is 60
but even so i dont think the 90s science could of made that
you said that mb
nvm
but that fox seems to had existed way way before even her grandmother
so now since thats out of the way anything is possible in ow
water bender hero when
karmic turret
Honestly, I enjoy the retcon that could possibly mean that Genji and hanzos spirit dragons are in fact spirit dragons
peak escarp
or they just like the yokai aesthetic
gilded grove
true
cant wait to see if we get more yokais in the future
it wont be any time soon tho
limpid agate
I'd at least like to get their names
keen stump
quick question: OW2 takes place a year later from OW1 right? are there any official years given for when things takes place?
i’m not too up to date with the lore but wasn’t the only event to happen in OW1 the recall? but then we see the outcome of that recall in OW2? so it takes a year for things to get together?
sorry if the question was asked already, im trying to get into it 😅
peak escarp
there is a timeskip between OW1 and OW2, but we don't know how long exactly
we just know it's at least 1 year
keen stump
i see i see, i assume we don’t know the years either right?
peak escarp
nope
the best we have is "something like 60 years in the future" (from the year Overwatch was made)
so around 2073-2076
past copper
I’m curious about Kiriko’s friends and what they can do. And to see how they use their ancient styled weapons
past copper
Their weapons appear to be as follows respectfully.
Tanuki — a tanegashima
Amabie — a gunbai
Red Oni — a pair of kanabō
Kasa-obake — an umbrella
Kappa — a shield
brazen sand
past copper
Are they Kanabo?
Look behind the girls legs. You see a spiked weapon
past copper
Can’t say I’ve seen someone use two kanabō before, but maybe the guy’s stronger than he looks
supple kestrel
Anyone else find it kinda lazy that Genji and Hanzo just happened to have a sister this whole time they never meantion, like so much of their theme and lore is familiar bond and then they just slap on an extra sibling to the dynamic like she was always there
keen summit
Anyone else find it kinda lazy that Genji and Hanzo just happened to have a sist...
she isnt their sister
its the daughter of their mentor
desert yacht
Anyone else find it kinda lazy that Genji and Hanzo just happened to have a sist...
their mentor has been hinted at
past copper
their mentor has been hinted at
Nothing is hinted. Kiriko’s mother was the mentor of Hanzo and Genji. Literally shown in her origin short
devout sable
tbh there's already been some hints towards magic before; wasn't it said or implied somewhere that Zenyatta's floating doesn't actually involve any anti-grav tech?
fringe thistle
i mean the spirit dragons were always there
fringe thistle
Anyone else find it kinda lazy that Genji and Hanzo just happened to have a sist...
we never got insight into their backstory
we always knew genji and hanzo were taught swordsmanship by asa
it just so happens asa also had a daughter we never heard about because it just never came up, she’s prolly existed as a concept for a long time
dreamy epoch
it's one of those tough things I assume
They had a character concept going but even if it fit into the base game which who knows what they were cooking, it ultimately didn't get in
Like if she was released alongside genji and hanzo, the trio would make sense
she'd also be busted as heck but anyways
And when you have a character who "should have" been in the universe for a while, the best you can do is backtrack and give reasons for their anonymity
glad oasis
Their weapons appear to be as follows respectfully.
Tanuki — a tanegashima
Am...
Pc Wall paper found
fringe thistle
it's one of those tough things I assume
They had a character concept going but e...
her being in at launch wouldve been cool, but 3 ninjas at launch…i can see why
i think she’s fine honestly, adding her into the story doesn’t retcon anything
she doesn’t take away from the story, only expands on genji and hanzo’s more
peak escarp
Nothing is hinted. Kiriko’s mother was the mentor of Hanzo and Genji. Literally ...
from January 2021
Kiriko's origin trailer isn't the first time we hear about Genji/Hanzo's mentor
fringe thistle
kiriko herself was not mentioned but like i said, she’s asa’s daughter
it’s not unreasonable that we just haven’t heard about her
there are other characters that we also just haven’t heard about that were already there, like the final member of OGwatch
JQ has also been around for ages, we just didn’t hear about her much until now
dreamy epoch
holy CRAP where are all these posts
these always fly under the radar for me
maybe it's cause i stopped diligently checking the site a year after i got the game and no one really talks about it much
fringe thistle
is this pinned
peak escarp
yes
white cobalt
when they said about Soj cinematic?
peak escarp
it was mentioned during the Sojourn dev update
they also showed a short indev clip of Sojourn and her dog Murphy walking up some stairs (probably into her house)
peak escarp
we suspect it will be at launch
cosmic crest
I get the feeling they are saving the Sojourn cinematic for the laucnh of PvE
wooden sleet
oh god pls no
supple kestrel
I really hope pve is going to have some actual story events and character growth and not just events tied together for the sake of fighting (Don't be A Destiny 2 please)
timid minnow
Is the other coffeee for her dog or someone else?
peak escarp
for someone else
timid minnow
I want it to be a pupicinno:)
glossy arrow
it was mentioned during the Sojourn dev update
this isnt a leak right?
peak escarp
no
glossy arrow
thank god
peak escarp
it was talked about during an official release
rotund ermine
sojourn hair is fugly
peak escarp
her dog has robo legs
rotund ermine
robo dog leg
verbal smelt
I wonder if torb or the kid who fixed up orisa can ever help bastion get a voice
peak escarp
it might be too old of a model
verbal smelt
Maybe
peak escarp
modern vocal processors might not be compatible
verbal smelt
True
What if they could get him new parts/make new ones?
I just think bastion with a voice would be cool
But his random noises are alright
peak escarp
it would probably get annoying
verbal smelt
Probably
I can imagine bastion asking a ton of questions
Maybe echo or orisa can help him with it
past copper
You might not like it but you’re just gonna have to R2 through it
desert yacht
Nothing is hinted. Kiriko’s mother was the mentor of Hanzo and Genji. Literally ...
i meant that we knew that they had a mentor tied to kanazaka and that either her (unlikely due to age) or her daughter would be fox girl
past copper
You know what’s weird? People are complaining over having Kiriko because she’s Japanese. I don’t see the problem
peak escarp
it would be a problem if she wasn't connected to Genji and Hanzo
past copper
We got Pharah and Ana and people don’t complain. We got Torbjörn and Brigitte and no one complains. But the moment they add a third character from one country and people cry out why
past copper
Right? I don’t wanna say this here, but I think some people are still riding the Tronald Dump boat
Hope I’m wrong
peak escarp
and at least the 3 heroes from Japan and from Australia are all connected to each other
past copper
Also, wouldn’t Hammond be considered Australian since that’s where he landed and lived for some time?
peak escarp
Soldier and Reaper and Cassidy are all connected, and Cassidy and Ashe are connected, but there's no connection between Ashe and Soldier or Reaper
eh
he's not really from there
and he doesn't consider himself a Junker
but if you do count him, my argument stands
he's connected to the other 3
past copper
True
Still, I see no reason to complain about another Asian character
Especially one who looks like a welcomed game changer
glossy arrow
does lucio have cyber legs or cyber leggings
peak escarp
power skates
peak escarp
it's just armor
glossy arrow
prosthetic
past copper
That’s just gear
glossy arrow
so im wondering
what does he look like without them?
past copper
Shorter what else
glossy arrow
does he have like french fry legs
past copper
peak escarp
Hanzo is the one with chicken legs
past copper
Hard to tell, but I doubt his legs are skinny
I wouldn’t say anything bout Hanzo. He gotta jump and climb
Besides, Tracer is the one with chicken legs
fringe thistle
video game logic
opal nexus
Besides, Tracer is the one with chicken legs
she runs pretty often
her ow2 legs got beefed up a little at least lol
opal nexus
how does sigma maintain his muscles
atrophy does not apply to the average dutchman physique
fringe thistle
nah but it probably takes a lot of core strength to keep yourself upright when floating tbh
bro probably buff
opal nexus
he is actually more jacked in his ow2 skin
fringe thistle
also consider just because he’s shredded in the scuba skin doesn’t mean that’s his canon physique
fringe thistle
symmetra’s canon physique is visible in the devi skin but in the mermaid skin she’s got a six pack
so
peak escarp
Devi isn't canon
fringe thistle
no, but that’s what her physique looks like
she’s way more muscular in the mermaid skin
rotund ermine
chicken legs
when i see shit like that I just assume they allowed themselves to give up a portion of their body to be heavily cybernetically modified
peak escarp
Hanzo has no cybernetics
the heroes with cybernetics are Cassidy, Doomfist, Genji, Junkrat, Sombra, Symmetra, Torbjorn and Sojourn
honorable mention to Ana, who used to have a cybernetic eye but lost it
verbal smelt
What is junkrats cybernetic again? It's one of his arms right? Or is it his leg?
cosmic crest
It's his arm.
He also has a peg leg. But I think calling that "cybernetic" would be a stretch
verbal smelt
I think calling a lot of things from junkertown a cybernetic is a stretch XD
verbal smelt
It does
fringe thistle
What is junkrats cybernetic again? It's one of his arms right? Or is it his leg?
and his left pointer finger now in ow2
he lost a finger and a tooth in between ow1 and 2
peak escarp
yeah he seems to have lost a few more pieces
opal nexus
i like to think he lost the finger while tinkering with his bear trap
peak escarp
wonder how he lost his trigger finger
fringe thistle
also they gave junk the soot back in ow2
in beta 2 he was clean
now he’s musty again
opal nexus
skin customisation REAL?
fringe thistle
all evidence is pointing to that tbh
tracer not having her goggles in a lot of model showcases
rein’s default look being without a helmet
genji’s hood
them advertising mythics as customizable
it stands within reason that default skins are customizable too
peak escarp
maybe just a toggle for headwear
fringe thistle
most likely
ive wanted ana’s shrike mask and hood toggleable for ages
same for soldier’s visor and mask
verbal smelt
I'd love just soldiers face or toggle on piece of his headgear and show the rest of his face with the toggled gear
fringe thistle
they already have all the assets done for those too so it would be disappointing if they didn’t
past copper
We’ll see, but personally get ready to see a lot of those salt and GG things in game 😂 it will be so toxic, but so funny
fringe thistle
like the merciful ana epic is just the default with her hood down, rein has that camo epic with his helmet off, soldier has current age skins without the mask etc
past copper
I like the Cyber Demon Genji skin. That one sold me right away
verbal smelt
Imagine if there's a toggle for junkrats leg and arm😂
fringe thistle
ngl i kinda dont like junk missing a tooth and finger
peak escarp
We’ll see, but personally get ready to see a lot of those salt and GG things in ...
I'm just gonna equip the hawaiian pizza souvenir
peak escarp
ngl i kinda dont like junk missing a tooth and finger
see the robot finger on his left hand
and missing tooth
past copper
I don’t think I’ve seen that one, but then again I haven’t checked those out. I like to be surprised sometimes
fringe thistle
yeah not a fan lol
peak escarp
he looks healthier
fringe thistle
i was a big fan of his ow2 design until i noticed he was missing more parts
the missing tooth throws his design off for me lol
opal nexus
i love how textured his grenades are
mf decks them out in custom leather casings
a true munitions connoisseur
fringe thistle
he looks healthier
they added back the dirt
in recent trailers
which is kinda weird tbh
im not sure if the missing dirt was intentional or not
past copper
I’m sure he just showered. For the first time in years
And he’s made a promise to shower more often. Which for him would be 3 times a year
It’s Junkrat, of course he’d do that
fringe thistle
but like…he’s dirty again lol
from a lore point i kind of liked that he was clean in his ow2 design
better character development
making him dirty again kind of lessens that imo
past copper
He handles explosives that he makes himself. Believe me, you handle that kinda stuff and you won’t walk away clean
fringe thistle
i mean yeah, gunpowder and soot it’s fair enough
but it was great character development
he wasn’t a stinky boi anymore
past copper
In retrospect, it was probably just not added yet
Don’t know if you noticed or heard this in the beta, but Junkrat had like a glitch where his teeth looked stuck together as he laughed
fringe thistle
it was just a skinning error on the teeth vertices
past copper
Same could be said with Symmetra’s orbs and teleporter looking too blocky, which I Hope was only bc it was beta
fringe thistle
uhh that was intentional LMAO
it's supposed to look more geometric, it looks cool
past copper
It looks more like a step back compared to what they look like in OW1
fringe thistle
wym it looks way cooler
it's way more stylized
there's so much more detail and polish put into her new vfx
peak escarp
I liked her new vfx
scarlet quiver
Ok, I don’t wanna say I predicted Kiriko, but I fucking predicted them. Back when I was a giga genji main (rip genji after his nerfs) I thought of a female ninja that were like genji and hanzos secret sister or smthn (sorta correct with this one) then she had the kunai thingies that she would throw and she could teleport sorta like how genji teleported in the Dragons short. I honestly wish that I had actually posted it online and I could have bragged about to everyone but I don’t have actual proof I thought of it then. Thought I would put this information out here cause I’m just blown away about how I was sorta correct
limpid agate
Genji didnt teleport in Dragons
That was just a Smokebomb
And you're not the only one who said "What if Shimada sister girl ninja?"
Which was always a baseless speculation, and still is incorrect.
A lot of regulars here predicted Kiriko too years ago based on teasers we received unrelated to the Shimadas
sonic zinc
i love how textured his grenades are
mf decks them out in custom leather casing...
i think those are the thing keeping them on his chest and not apart of the grenades
opal nexus
tall sleet
My inner child was happy is all
ur not dumb LOL you were pretty close!
worthy rose
i like the part where there is r34
dry swallow
I want kiriko to be lesbian
worthy rose
🤨
peak escarp
why
verbal smelt
Yes good question why
dreamy epoch
asking the real questions here
verbal smelt
lol
remote flint
well.. why not
peak escarp
fair
worldly lintel
Is genji canonically an omnic
peak escarp
no
limpid agate
Genji is a human
peak escarp
he's a human with cybernetic parts
limpid agate
Omnics are a different species entirely
If species can even be used as the right word here
worldly lintel
What percentage of him would have to be cybernetic to make him an omnic
limpid agate
0%
You cant just turn into an omnic
That's like saying at what percentage of blue paint do you turn into a Dranei
You dont
Omnics are a type of robot.
Genji is not a robot.
Genji is a human
worldly lintel
with robot parts
limpid agate
So is Junkrat
worldly lintel
so as long as there is part human, they're human
past copper
Genji, Symmetra, Doomfist, Sombra, Torbjörn, Junkrat, Cassidy, Ana all have or had cybernetics
peak escarp
with robot parts
not robot parts, cybernetics
past copper
They’re human. In most cases, they’re cyborgs if you wanna get technical. Completely different from robots
worldly lintel
Is bob an omnic
peak escarp
yes
past copper
Bob, Zenyatta, Orisa and Bastion are omincs
iron saddle
And Echo
past copper
Echo isn’t an omnic
dreamy epoch
I don't wanna say omnics are a specific type of sentient robot but
peak escarp
they're functionally the same
peak escarp
it's like Kleenex vs tissues
past copper
They’ve actually said there is a difference between an omnic and robot. Example: Snowball and Echo are robots
peak escarp
Snowball is a drone
dreamy epoch
snowball my beloved
peak escarp
drone and omnic are both types of robot
worldly lintel
All omnics are robots, but not all robots are omnics
peak escarp
right
worldly lintel
So Orisa named herself, right?
peak escarp
Efi named her
she was named for the orishas, protector spirits from Yoruba religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orisha
the name also comes from her omnic designation - OR15-A
“My name is Orisa,” the robot said, settling back onto her haunches and nodding once, as if the name suited her. But in the next instant, she was back on high alert, golden eyes narrowed into slits and trained firmly on Efi. “I will keep you safe. That is my primary function.”```Im still ashamed that it took me like 3 years to understand that orisa was is or15 with an a
Maybe even more
delicate glade
Jesse Mccree
iron plume
What of him
dreamy epoch
"lore drop"
alright there buddy off the meds you go
gilded grove
ok i read it idk what it helped other then shimada seemed not as bad ig and the bad dudes in the castle are evil i know already
peak escarp
it is lore
peak escarp
it's mostly worldbuilding
gilded grove
yeah
peak escarp
but we do get the names of some of the members of Yokai
although no clues about which ones are which
gilded grove
well i know there is a peach orchard somewhere
wondering what they are doing for the new map thats not 2cp in japan
grand wedge
PVE in Hanamura & Kanezaka is a big option with Kiriko & the Shimada bros now
opaque tundra
Ayo surprise short story??
white cobalt
So the fox isnt a summoning or anything but something he made in her mind?
peak escarp
it's a spirit she has a connection to
white cobalt
The description makes it as if she does a mental image of the fox.
peak escarp
we do see her interacting with the Fox Spirit in her origin trailer
white cobalt
yeh, hence my confussion
peak escarp
she thinks about it, and it appears
opaque tundra
that was a weird lore drop
it was 6 pages, didnt say that much, and not much art
this just feels a tad bit rushed
like they probably wanted to do a full short story but had to shorten it for some reason? am i the only one getting this impression? it just feels off to me
cool to see christie golden again i guess
peak escarp
its just a nice bit of fluff, giving us some worldbuilding on the Shimada, Hashimoto and Yokai
opaque tundra
i wonder if they'll do this more often with hero releases/teasers
i imagine its cheaper and quicker to produce obviously
dreamy epoch
they're probably working hard on the release of the game and designing new heroes and places haha
haha
...
we'll probably get stuff like this more often if the pve is gonna be a ways away
grand wedge
This short story seems to be more like an introduction for the upcoming cinematic.
limpid agate
they're probably working hard on the release of the game and designing new heroe...
The people designing heroes and maps are not the people writing short stories
dreamy epoch
don't they have to pass by each other
I know they aren't the same teams but doing one would naturally involve the other in the process wouldn't it
limpid agate
Not like this.
Let's suppose your writer is too busy to write the story
What are they writing
merry mason
New screenshots of the Portugal map show some new corporation called "the collective". they seem to be like vishkar
I can't show the picture, I guess because I'm new.
merry mason
I hope they don't just step on Viskar's toes, so to speak. They seem to be a construction company, with a display advertising their "DuroVidro" which would basically translate to HardGlass. Sounds like a knock-off hard light to me.
compact cobalt
So magic is confirmed I guess, I don’t really see that fox being hard light anymore
merry mason
Considering how loose the explanations for other hero's powers were, I can still see them giving it an explanation
sharp trench
doesn't mean it'll be a good one
merry mason
I don't expect it to be
peak escarp
the explanation is that it's a Fox Spirit
Kiriko has a strong bond with the Fox Spirit, like her grandmother before her
rotund ermine
Blizzard ruining their own lore lmao
peak escarp
how does that ruin it?
limpid agate
!!lorenewest
twilit nacelleBOT
Kiriko's Origin Short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLsJaMzLltE
Yōkai Story
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/stories/yokai/
sharp trench
Blizzard ruining their own lore lmao
previously they said "magic doesn't exist in Overwatch" which doesnt mean much because of the BS that already happens in OW
and now suddenly we have fox spirits which very closely teeter on the edge of magic
peak escarp
it's possible that they didn't view spirits as magic
so "no magic" and "spirit dragons" coexisted in their minds
opaque tundra
If someone shot a fireball from their hands with no technology or explanation that would probably count as magic
sharp trench
exactly
by now though all the BS in overwatch can literally just be chalked down to magic
peak escarp
not all of it
sharp trench
most of it can
peak escarp
most of it already has an explanation
sharp trench
question is though if it's a good explanation
peak escarp
the only things that were unexplained were the Shimada dragons and Zen's healing
which now can be explained by magic
fringe thistle
I don't wanna say omnics are a specific type of sentient robot but
technically thats true tho
echo isnt an omnic
its like reploids in mega man x, they're designs based off of x himself, so x and zero are not reploids
omnics got their name because they came from omniums
and now the name means a more broad species term
scarlet apex
I don't wanna say omnics are a specific type of sentient robot but
except they are
dreamy epoch
🙏
peak escarp
replying to something from yesterday? cringe
also there's no need to correct someone on something that has already been corrected
peak escarp
hmm
maybe we're going to get some more of these micro stories
for Junker Queen, Maximilien and Sojourn
dreamy epoch
I'd love one for max
past copper
You know, based on that description of her fox, I think I figured out what Kiriko’s got
It’s basically just like a Stand from the anime JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure
Manifestations of one’s soul invisible to those without Stand powers
merry mason
https://imgur.com/0lVJX5Y
where did you see these lorbites?
high parrot
where did you see these lorbites?
In the PDF download for the new Yokai story.
merry mason
can you click on them
high parrot
Yeah, but they don't do anything.
merry mason
oh ok
keen summit
It’s basically just like a Stand from the anime JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure
Its not tho, cuz its a technique and sentient being too
Its legit just a spirit
Not hers but it works with her
past copper
I didn’t say it was a Stand. I said that as an example. In other words, until we see otherwise, it’s just something only she can “see”
Or would you rather I just come out and say imaginary friend? Because that’s kinda less sensible
Though, I guess that’s also similar. Hmm. To each their own I suppose
merry mason
but it can be seen in the camera
timid minnow
Hey, so there is a line between Moria and Doomfist in the Beta. It goes like this:
Doomfist: I have yet to see a report on your latest exprent.
Moria: it’s making progress.
Doomfist: Our timeline is non-negotiable
Moria: Keep interrupting me, Surley that will expedite things.
That feels like it’s alluding to something big happening. Any Ideas?
peak escarp
timid minnow
Who’s jafe?
keen summit
Because why not
I mean tbh
I dont care bout the sexuality of my characters
I dont play tracer cuz shes lesbian, i play tracer cuz she has nice playstyle
keen summit
Okay?
But why care about what fictional characters prefer for relationships?
I love lore but i wouldbt care more or less about a hero if they like guys or girls
tall sleet
People like to see representation in the media they consume
tall sleet
so they feel represented? Lol
I don’t believe it’s tedious at all
it’s just a nice little touch when there are canon lgbt characters
limpid agate
Based on how I see people ask for X hero to be gay because they like X hero and want them to be gay for no reason other than they want them to be gay
That is tedious
tall sleet
I don’t see what’s so wrong with wanting characters to be gay just to be gay
ppl IRL are gay just … because they are gay
limpid agate
Its not someone saying "I want a gay hero" or a "new gay hero"
Its someone saying
I want Hanzo to be gay
limpid agate
This is a discussion channel. The purpose is for discussion, and I'm not the only one to voice this question
tall sleet
I’m on the Hanzo gay train !
limpid agate
It is as equally pointless and valid as someone coming in and saying "I want Hanzo to be straight"
tall sleet
At the end of the day it’s REALLY not that deep
if someone wants Hanzo to be straight then they can say it
limpid agate
At a certain point it has no relation to lore
dense sedge
in some places it does have lore
tracer has a gf that (i think) she met at a punk concert which is why we have the punk skins
at the end of the day its a label that doesn't have a giant presence in the lore but it helps people be seen
tall sleet
agreed
dense sedge
the only person i would love to see lore for is lúcio he's been overlooked imo
tall sleet
ALSO AGREE
i think we'll get a good chunk of lucio love when the pve mode drops of him joining overwatch
dense sedge
i think we'll get a good chunk of lucio love when the pve mode drops of him join...
HES JOINING OW?
OMG YES
tall sleet
i think their demo pve mode was that gameplay
and story
i think they previewed it a yr or two ago!
dense sedge
back in the announcement?
tall sleet
i think it was at blizzcon or smt
dense sedge
OH THAT GAMEPLAY
tall sleet
yeah!
dense sedge
OH THAT GAMEPLAY
i remember now
tall sleet
yeth
limpid agate
The new Overwatch team is:
- Winston (leader)
- Tracer
- Mei
- Genji
- Reinhardt
- Brigitte
- Mercy
- Echo
- Lucio
- Cassidy
- Pharah
- Baptiste
- Zarya
- D.Va
- Sojourn
- Bastion
limpid agate
tracer has a gf that (i think) she met at a punk concert which is why we have th...
Soldier is also gay.
dense sedge
Soldier is also gay.
its been rumoured that moira is transfem
dense sedge
shes still a really cool character
i wonder whats gonna happen with sigma
bc he's being lied to by talon right?
dense sedge
i have some other questions about lore
at the end of kirikos origin story is there anything about the people standing behind her
limpid agate
That's Yokai
You can read her short story, its the most recent pin
It introduces the gang
dense sedge
the group with the glowing facepaint in soldier 76's story animation aswell in sombras origin story, what are they called?
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/
dense sedge
thank you
keen summit
I don’t see what’s so wrong with wanting characters to be gay just to be gay
thing is we have that. We have 2 confirmed characters who legit are that
tall sleet
wanting more than 2 cannon lgbt characters isn't outrageous
tall sleet
omg TRUE
keen summit
most we dont even know what they like
tall sleet
so then i dnt see the big deal over someone saying they want hanzo to be gay LOL
keen summit
from what i remember only ana is confirmed and reaper is hinted at. oh and torb
keen summit
so then i dnt see the big deal over someone saying they want hanzo to be gay LOL
thing is some people get mad whenever you say that hanzo isnt gay too
tall sleet
then i simply wouldnt engage w those people LOL
keen summit
yea
thing is we dont know bout most heroes what their preferance is
cuz well, what does it matter really?
soldier we knew cuz well he misses his bf but cuz he faked his death he knows he'll never see him again
tracer cuz emily is an important part of her life
tall sleet
again because people like to see representation and feel represented in the media they consume
keen summit
torb cuz he has kids same with ana
tall sleet
especially ppl from marginalized communities
keen summit
i get that
its more that i believe it should have a reason to be told
not necessarilly why they are gay cuz well thats just your preferance
doesnt need a reason
but a reason why we need to know, for example that a person has to abandon their relationship, or have trouble with it because they also have to fight
then you can do it naturally
but one thing.. i dont think kiriko will be the one for that
very simply cuz the overwatch team kept saying "Shes a strong independant and badass woman" i doubt they'll then introduce a part where she also is together with someone
tall sleet
i get wht ur saying i just disagree
keen summit
explain
tall sleet
i just don't think characters need a "reason" to be lgbt
or have their sexualities b revealed
keen summit
they dont need a reason to be lgbt i didnt say that
tall sleet
"its more that i believe it should have a reason to be told" wat i just said
keen summit
or have their sexualities b revealed
thing is it should imho be treated the same as characters who are straight, to show that they arent people who are "different"
if you need to point out and specifically say "oh btw this character is lgbt" it can feel weird cuz we also dont say bout straight characters "oh btw x is straight"
so it makes lgbt seem like a thing which needs to be treated as different
tall sleet
doesn't feel weird 2 me
keen summit
right. Well imagine if every straight character got introduced with "btw he/she is straight"
tall sleet
and what would be the issue there
keen summit
its bad writing.
tall sleet
people already have inherent assumptions that characters who aren't explicitly revealed 2 be lgbt are straight
keen summit
having to add that instead of actually making it a part of the character is bad writing
thats all
tall sleet
we can just agree 2 disagree
keen summit
if you want to say that you could say for say... kiriko "after her girlfriend joined the hashimoto clan Kiriko broke up with her" that would be better as it shows something bout kiriko other than shes lesbian. It shows that she hates hashimoto clan so much that she even rejects her lover
soldier got lots of backlash back then but looking back he was a good example of what i like in representation. Its done like its normal. They arent pointing at soldier going "HES GAY!" no its a short line about how his fake death affected his lover, who happens to be male.
a rule i use for it is that in those moments would it have worked if it was straight aswell? would it not feel odd that they are pointing out they are straight? well if it doesnt feel off in the "normal" and typical way its often good except if the important part is that its not seen as normal in the world. This is with all representation imho cuz for example Octane seems to have ADHD, i dont need them to point that out, symm is autistic, that too feels fair and the fact they dont point it out feels more real cuz all of these arent your personality. They are part of you but not everything. That is good representation
so i dont have a problem with more lgbt characters
tall sleet
slay
iron plume
soldier got lots of backlash back then but looking back he was a good example of...
It wasn’t his fake death fyi
He hadn’t been with Vincent a long time by then
They separated when Soldier first joined the super soldier program and went to fight
Still, it served to show the hard choices he’s had to make
or thought he did
keen summit
He hadn’t been with Vincent a long time by then
They separated when Soldier firs...
ah mb long time back
dreamy epoch
soldier a real one
I'm interested as to what they're gonna do with him in the future
analog dew
is the reason talon wants chaos because they think the world would be stronger with conflict? reading tracers london calling issue 3 and she is saying that talon wants chaos but idk why
peak escarp
Doomfist's philosophy is that conflict drives innovation
struggle makes us stronger, etc.
dreamy epoch
he has a point
just maybe not the nicest way of getting it through
An example of his philosophy in action are his voicelines about numbani with his opponents
with genji he admires his strength and genji does too
and then they hint at their next battle, with doomfist implying that he's most likely improved as a result of the difficulties he's gone through since then
peak escarp
think of all the things invented because of war
limpid agate
if you need to point out and specifically say "oh btw this character is lgbt" it...
This was a problem I had with the Vincent thing
If Vincent was Vanessa, people would probably be a lot more keen to notice just how weird and offputting it is that Jack is carrying around a photo of an ex from 30+ years ago
Its the only canon relationship that didnt need to be told, but was told since it was the only way to organically say Soldier is gay.
If he wasn't gay, that scene wouldnt have existed.
cosmic crest
Perhaps, but I think it also communicates to us how Jack was kind of lonely compared to Ana and Reyes, since they had families and he didn't.
dreamy epoch
I just remembered Vanessa existed
cosmic crest
It dosen't stand out to me as that forced
limpid agate
Perhaps, but I think it also communicates to us how Jack was kind of lonely comp...
You can communicate that without a pocket photo of someone you broke up with 30+ years ago
It was pretty forced and was very creepy.
limpid agate
wait I'm thinking of reaper
I think her name is Martina
And she didnt die
She remarried
Because she thought Gabriel died
dreamy epoch
and that's after code of violence
dreamy epoch
yeah I get what you mean
did he have the powers in code of violence
or rather should he have had them
because i recall that being a big thing when the novel came out
at that time I though he was just a normal "talon elite"
limpid agate
He had them for a while
keen summit
Did he have them during retribution canonly?
limpid agate
Yes
clear kestrel
this might be an incredibly stupid question but
outside of blackwatch how many people in Overwatch were aware of Gabriels abilities?
limpid agate
Talon, Jack, Ana, all of Winston's Overwatch
clear kestrel
but during the glory days it was mostly a well kept secret outside of a select few individuals knowing
molten shore
Wait so I have 2 questions about blackwatch Denji
- Is he faster in the blackwatch body
- Can he still do the whole dragon thing with the sword like in the dragons cinematic
rotund ermine
Blackwatch Denji 😈
molten shore
Denji's black suit spider-man Era
peak escarp
Genji
worthy rose
Would Talon and Null Sector make a deal like sayin “Hey we wanna make the world this way and your way can work too”?
pallid peak
peak escarp
sorta
some seasonal events will come back
some won't
I think Archives will be retired in favor of the PvE, but I hope those missions will still be playable somewhere
tiny locust
worthy rose
Who is the new girl