In Hero, a grenade is about a few feet away from Alejandra
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
It blows up beyond the alleyway
Even if you were to stand behind a person sized brick barricade, you would not survive that unscathed.
The girl survived that completely unscathed
Incidentally, that's basically exactly what happens here
There is an explosion directly behind the ice wall
The people directly behind it survived unscathed
Mei who is quite a ways back, and by all means, would be protected by the blast just as well as those directly behind it considering its point of origin, is injured
Which is especially jarring as the next explosions continue along this line here, and by all means should have splattered those 3 against the ice wall
For a visualization of the hero explosion. Even with that cover, the scale of the explosion would have reverberated around and against the alley and injured her, even supposing Soldier 76 could 100% shield the explosion.
And here we have Zero Hour. The lines from the second circle are the first explosion where Mei somehow gets injured. The lines from the third are never addressed by the short.
In short. Its comic book logic. Don't think too hard about how injured people don't get and why they don't get injured. Injuries just happen as the plot requires it
And from what we see later, she isn't critically injured. She can just no longer stay in the fight.
And this is completely ignoring the ice bomb that breaks every line of that prior thinking, and just expands in a perfect sphere regardless of whether there was a material in the way.
From that same short
And conveniently only freezes the omnic completely solid instantly without even making the adjacent trees have any residual impact.
grand wedge
He is genetically enhanced - Sojourn is cyberneticaly enhanced.
dreamy epoch
yeah it's comic book logic to make the shots seem cooler
the omnic is the really obvious part
or rather
big boss himself
worthy rose
My favourite character from Overwatch is none other than the healer, Medic. Oh wait, that’s from Team Fortress 2.
grand wedge
canonically, Junkrat & Roadhog travelled the world to do multiple heist so they may have been in China at some point
dreamy epoch
good question
i highly doubt it
but when you're most likely done robbing a store, would you really care
opaque tundra
i hope you guys know that you can get chinese food basically anywhere
peak escarp
yeah
they didn't have to go to China for good Chinese food
Roadhog gets decent Chinese food in Junkertown
okay?
so he goes somewhere else for Chinese food
doesn't have to be China
I can get Chinese food here
I don't live in China
depends on the context
sure, a wanted criminal is going to go to China just to get some Chinese food
past copper
Bro next you’re gonna say fortune cookies were invented in China
peak escarp
what was the original argument anyway
past copper
Also, Roadhog and Junkrat went to Japan, so it’s likely but hopefully not that he was referring to the noodles they have
But being slightly ignorant
peak escarp
oh you were wondering how they ordered Chinese food in China if they don't speak Chinese
easy - they didn't have to speak Chinese
or they found a restaurant where the staff spoke English
maybe? idk
past copper
Or
They just robbed them like Hog did to this poor guy’s truck
They’re criminals. They’re gonna eat. Even if by force
opal nexus
omnic bro did the scream face wtfffff
past copper
You’d scream too if a fat man in a gas mask used a hook to rip your truck apart
opaque tundra
Sorry for changing the subject here for something a little pointless but the previous conversation is already kinda pointless no offense, but I've been rereading/rewatching the overwatch lore and it's interesting to see how far we've come in terms of answers
We had a ton of lore hints in Reflections and now that we basically have the answer to all the different panels, it feels like looking back at a complete puzzle
The final scene and line from Doomfist in Masquerade feels slightly more intimidating now that we know what war he's talking about
peak escarp
we've known about it for a while
opaque tundra
Yes but it never really clicked for me until we got overwatch 2's announcements and now it's super clear. I honestly had no idea what to expect when I first read that comic
white cobalt
Blizzard leaked the hero name, and they backpedaled on that stuff
its from the WP pack
opal nexus
hoping for an origin story soon
white cobalt
Kiriko Yamagami
allegedly is other complete name
white cobalt
Oh, yeah i misread
worn island
The way that's phrased makes it sound like people who dont have the pass will have to unlock her some other way?
or wont have access?
opaque tundra
If this leak is true and you have to unlock heroes now I can already see that backlash. Also yeah this isn't exactly lore discussion it's just the name and leak
peak escarp
the name is significant
steady stone
or wont have access?
Jon Spector tweeted about this saying that Kiriko AND future heroes will be accessible through the free path of the Battle Pass. He also said they would talk in great detail about all that before launch.
worn island
Yeah saw that
tall sleet
I was just gonna assume it would be something like league where u can either buy champs for actl money currency right away or save up your free accumulated currency to buy new hero’s
limpid agate
Just wait for more details.
misty void
Unlocking the characters and having a battle pass seems very disappointing to me
I've been wanting a new game since I started the first one but it seems that it will be completely different
worthy rose
Fr Fr
opaque tundra
Honestly I think it'll be ok. I can see myself enjoying it and having an incentive to play more. I'm just waiting for the PvE which is the thing I'm most looking forward to
limpid agate
This is the lore channel. Just wait for more details rather than complain about unknown gameplay details.
tall sleet
New heroes = lore and the discussion of how to obtain these new heroes is not entirely off topic whether it’s speculation or not
anyways I hope that there’s a nice fancy cinematic that comes with their release I need more content !
broken fjord
I've been wanting a new game since I started the first one but it seems that it ...
Yah, I really don't want "pay to get characters"
peak escarp
good thing you won't have to
broken fjord
Well what about the battle pass character situation
past copper
Wether you pay or not does it really matter? It’s new for the game and that’s overall what people want from a game is something new
broken fjord
Thats true
peak escarp
not yet
past copper
This question has been burning on my mind for awhile. You think the Halloween event will drop alongside Overwatch 2 or what?
It does drop Oct 4th after all
broken fjord
This question has been burning on my mind for awhile. You think the Halloween ev...
Ya ive thought about that aswell
peak escarp
please dont post any spoilers
tall sleet
I hope they do a new Halloween event i rly like the junkenstein one even though it’s basic
I liked the little story that the narrator told
broken fjord
Yaaah
tall sleet
And I liked the banter between the heroes
peak escarp
they will do something for Halloween
broken fjord
Yah more custom dialogue for events would be great
peak escarp
we know Junkenstein will return
dreamy epoch
Junkenstein will never die!!!
I was actually wondering if they were thinking of pushing a new archives mission but I have nothing to support it
past copper
I do wonder how the Junkenstein event might change with heroes getting ability changes, but something to worry about next month
marsh garnet
If everyone were to brawl
At their pinnacle
Who would come out victorious?
Has to be Hanzo
Right?
marsh garnet
Fr?
peak escarp
Hanzo isn't even top 5
marsh garnet
Who is
peak escarp
Reaper, Symmetra, Winston, Orisa, Doomfist
marsh garnet
Symmetra, Winston and Orisa??
peak escarp
Symmetra can build with hard light, she's basically a Green Lantern
Winston defeated Doomfist in a single punch
Orisa was built specifically to counter Doomfist
marsh garnet
Mental
Also there should be an OW TV Series
Also when did Mcree become Cassidy
That’s way less cool
peak escarp
oh right, I forgot Sigma
dreamy epoch
hypothetically he's a god
marsh garnet
the name change was a little over a year ago
Wait why?
marsh garnet
Sigma though
Sigma is a goat 🐐
dreamy epoch
something to do with a blizzard developer, overwatch one actually getting caught in some messed up stuff
dreamy epoch
so they changed the name, which he was named after
it's unfort
peak escarp
Wait why?
the dev McCree was named after was involved in the sexual harassment lawsuit last year, so the character's name was changed so the devs who worked with him wouldn't be reminded of him
marsh garnet
the dev McCree was named after was involved in the sexual harassment lawsuit las...
Oh fuck
dreamy epoch
snowball clears
peak escarp
probably Mei? she's new to fighting
marsh garnet
Such*
But I get it
They could’ve picked something better than Cassidy though
It’s so bad 😭
peak escarp
it was
dreamy epoch
I was gonna say torb but hmmmmm
dreamy epoch
all the supports are cracked
peak escarp
Hammond
marsh garnet
Fuck even Maverick
dreamy epoch
🐹
peak escarp
Quint is a good name actually
peak escarp
Jameson West
we already have Jamieson Fawkes
marsh garnet
Who’s that
peak escarp
Junkrat
past copper
The problem is that they cannot use names of living or historical people
Mostly depending on their actions
peak escarp
Also can we please say Hanzo is at least top 10
why?
peak escarp
that's not a very good reason
marsh garnet
Mostly depending on their actions
They’ll be a good insert name for every bad insert name
It doesn’t make sense to avoid named because of something like that
marsh garnet
that's not a very good reason
Yes, yes it is
peak escarp
badassery doesn't win fights
marsh garnet
It does when you have 2 dragons and almost perfect aim
Extreme athleticism and sword mastery
past copper
It does when you have 2 dragons and almost perfect aim
This isn’t anime where a character wins because of plot armor
marsh garnet
This isn’t anime where a character wins because of plot armor
Yeah but
He’s cool man
marsh garnet
And his sword skills
peak escarp
Genji is cool, but he got beat by Doomfist
peak escarp
you mean in Dragons?
past copper
Junker Queen is badass too, but that doesn’t mean she could tank trained soldiers or fighters
peak escarp
Genji won that fight
marsh garnet
you mean in Dragons?
Nah, as in Hanzo killing Genji if it wasn’t for Mercy
marsh garnet
Genji won that fight
Only because he didn’t know it was Genji, if he didn’t use his dragons, nor become arrogant during the fight he would’ve won
peak escarp
sure, but that was like 12 years ago
past copper
Look. Hanzo is my 2nd main in game. I think he’s badass too, but even I know he wouldn’t be in the top 10
marsh garnet
What about him and that Dragon lady
marsh garnet
I think Genji is more like Anakin
In combat
And their downfall
During battles
Their arrogance
They know their skill and potential
peak escarp
okay I can see that
past copper
Strategy wise and skill wise sure, but in a fight against someone like say Doomfist or Reaper or Moira, he’s outgunned
marsh garnet
Better than all
peak escarp
overconfidence
marsh garnet
But they think that means they can win every fight with ease
When not every fight is easy
marsh garnet
Strategy wise and skill wise sure, but in a fight against someone like say Doomf...
Fine then, is his combat IQ top 5
Or skill:skillset
past copper
There are several scientists and leaders who plan out things for their team. Hanzo probably isn’t in top 5
peak escarp
Hanzo has high skill, he just lacks raw power
past copper
Plus, if we’re being real. Hanzo has limited arrows and as it appears even less hand to hand combat ability without the use of his bow and arrows
This would end badly in a fight with people like Doom, Reaper, Soldier, I’d say even Tracer could out maneuver him
marsh garnet
Pain
peak escarp
hmm, I think Hanzo could outsmart/outplay Tracer
she's reckless
and relies on her chronal accelerator too much
past copper
True. But Hanzo had a tough time even landing a hit on Genji
marsh garnet
I think if he knows the oppositions skillset it’s different
past copper
Tracer may be reckless, but predictability is hard for a guy who has to aim before he strikes
peak escarp
True. But Hanzo had a tough time even landing a hit on Genji
yeah but Genji is way better than Tracer
and Genji knew Hanzo's strengths/weaknesses
past copper
Doom only had an easier time catching Tracer because he’s built like a tank to eat her shots, has the combat skills to make him a beast, and has a terrifyingly dangerous strategic mind
marsh garnet
You’ll come around to it soon
peak escarp
not likely
opaque tundra
Are we having another "who's stronger" conversation again?
marsh garnet
Inevitable
peak escarp
I hate Hanzo
marsh garnet
No you don’t
marsh garnet
Are you taking the piss
peak escarp
and complains too much about his honor
marsh garnet
He’s the most handsome one in OW
peak escarp
he needs therapy
peak escarp
He’s the most handsome one in OW
you can't say that when Cassidy and Baptiste exist
peak escarp
Baptiste is a 10 easily
past copper
IDK. Don’t say Hanzo ugly until we completely see Genji’s and Reaper’s faces
peak escarp
Hanzo is a 1
peak escarp
have you seen his busted-ass nose?
marsh garnet
Angelina Jolie
Cassidy is like
Florence Pugh
Or however you spell her last name
peak escarp
looks like he fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down
past copper
Eh. I kinda think Hanzo is handsome, but more of a young Johnny Depp handsome
peak escarp
I dont think Christian Bale is attractive either
marsh garnet
And Christian Bale is the sexiest man alive
peak escarp
lol no
marsh garnet
I dont think Christian Bale is attractive either
That’s fucking blasphemous
past copper
Cassidy is more like a Ryan Reynolds handsome
peak escarp
Cassidy is more like a Ryan Reynolds handsome
yes
opaque tundra
Bastion is the hottest obviously smh 😔
past copper
Ryan Reynolds is so overrated
I will destroy you Neo
Ryan is one of the hottest actors out there today
marsh garnet
peak escarp
Cassidy and Junker Queen are the two most attractive heroes imo
marsh garnet
Hanzo + Widow
past copper
Not compared to Batman
Say that now. But it’s only a matter of time before Ryan becomes the next Batman. It’s inevitable 😈 😆
peak escarp
different tastes I guess
marsh garnet
Say that now. But it’s only a matter of time before Ryan becomes the next Batman...
He’s already Green Lantern
opaque tundra
Oh yeah ppl thirsted over Junker Queen pretty quickly
opaque tundra
Correct
peak escarp
we're discussing characters
peak escarp
Sombra, Baptiste and Sojourn are also quite attractive
marsh garnet
At least no one is saying Mei
past copper
I think Pharah is attractive. Any woman who can kick ass is hot to me
marsh garnet
So overrated
peak escarp
and Genji... when he was younger
marsh garnet
Pharah absolutely is yeah
marsh garnet
and Genji... when he was younger
YOUNG HANZO
peak escarp
Mei is cute
marsh garnet
Damn.
peak escarp
but not really my type
marsh garnet
Mei is cute
Cute is the least attractive, attractive trait imo
peak escarp
alright there, let's keep it PG
past copper
Cute is the least attractive, attractive trait imo
Well, unpopular opinion, some people like em thicc
marsh garnet
Well, unpopular opinion, some people like em thicc
Face > anything
Hence Hanzo is the best
peak escarp
Mei reminds me too much of myself, in terms of body shape
marsh garnet
I hate Mei’s face
past copper
Hana is attractive too, but I’m being kinda biased since she’s a gamer girl
past copper
Sym is def attractive, but also being biased since I can relate to her being autistic myself
marsh garnet
I personally don’t think she is
I don’t like how she walks
And she looks like my Auntie
tall sleet
young ana was saur beautiful
i think all the female heroes except mayb moira r conventially attractive
limpid agate
At least among the humans
dreamy epoch
came in here to say young Ana
🤤
but that's not me being weird or anything that's just me
uhh
appreciating her beauty in her youth yes
past copper
Kinda sad Moira is the only unattractive woman, but to be fair what’s more unattractive about her?
Her inhuman actions, psychotic mind, or looks? For me it would be her psychotic mindset
past copper
True, but still. While I have odd taste in women, I draw the line at some things. A borderline mad scientist is one of those things
peak escarp
I wouldn't call Moira ugly
tall sleet
Methinks I wouldn’t wanna date a woman who’s arm is literally decomposing and pumping out evil juice
peak escarp
she's got a unique look
tall sleet
There’s room for everyone I guess ❤️
past copper
I wouldn’t say ugly. She has her own unique form of beauty in her own right
tall sleet
Naur I think she ugly and that’s coming as a moira Stan …
agree to disagree brothers
/ sisters …
peak escarp
she reminds me of Tilda Swinton
who has a very unearthly sort of beauty
like some kind of archfey
tall sleet
Moira looked good b4 she went buckwild and experimented on herself
limpid agate
She looked the same before she went "buckwild" and experimented on herself
tall sleet
Your opinion
her evil villain get up is NOT my vibe
business casual scientist moira is pog
past copper
Eh. It’s the possibility that she would turn me into a test subject that creeps me out and turns me off from her to be honest
tall sleet
LOL fair enough
past copper
I would be terrified to sleep if she’s in the same building as me
dreamy epoch
A
I really like her purple accents in her clothing
it's subtle
one eye red the other blue
tall sleet
I wonder if her eyes r like thay naturally
limpid agate
They are
tall sleet
Or sue to her experiments
peak escarp
I wonder if her eyes r like thay naturally
they seem to be natural
it's called heterochromia
tall sleet
Red eye queen..
limpid agate
Also, the answer was B. A is post experimentation. But the point remains. She appears identical before and after.
dreamy epoch
she has heterochromia
cool thing is
tall sleet
I know what it is but I have never seen someone with blood red eyes
peak escarp
some people have different coloured eyes, or eyes with different coloured sections
past copper
I can’t lie, I do find Moira’s eyes attractive. I like a woman with a unique appearance to them
tall sleet
I like Orisa eyes cutie bot …
dreamy epoch
I thought about this earlier
I guess rbg kinda messes with this but
peak escarp
I have a form of it called central heterochromia, where the center of my eyes is brown while the outside is green
dreamy epoch
Yellow is the third primary colour and is universally associated with healing in OW
Red eye, Blue eye, missing a yellow eye
Purple is universally associated with forms of damage or healing negation
Red + Blue = Purple
past copper
I know what it is but I have never seen someone with blood red eyes
I have. In anime. In fact though, Ashe has red eyes
dreamy epoch
speaking of hot woman
Ashe...
tall sleet
TRUE
big true
Most guys in ow r not that good looking to me though
Except like baptiste Lucio young reaper hmmm
Cassidy is alroight
Genji too
A few are literal animals though
past copper
Wrong place lol
I can’t believe nobody brought up Brig though. What? Nobody like a girl who can build the most awesome stuff
peak escarp
she is pretty cute
past copper
Why the H not? Tracer is def attractive to me. That cute and playful personality is amazing
Heck, I don’t even think Tracer’s shots actually kill
Do they?
tall sleet
Her personality is great
I just don’t physically find her attractive
Hm actually it’s not that she herself is ugly but I don’t like her fashion LOL
past copper
Everyone has their unique sense of fashion
I for one actually love Junkrat, Hanzo, Cassidy, and Reaper’s clothing styles. And Genji hoodie is dope in OW2
tall sleet
I like junkrats style
molten shore
Is there actually a voice line where Hanzo talks to Cassidy about stopping a robbery at a Ramen store
molten shore
Great Vacations
marsh garnet
Most guys in ow r not that good looking to me though
Brother… Hanzo? Young Hanzo?!
marsh garnet
Young Hanzo better
I guess I’ll accept that
past copper
So, thoughts on that supposed cinema leak of Kiriko? I didn’t watch it, but I do wonder on the authenticity
peak escarp
you think someone would make an entire 9 minute, Blizzard quality animated short as a fake?
tall sleet
Might not be the final edit
peak escarp
no it's definitely not the final edit
tall sleet
I didn’t know anything got leaked
peak escarp
it still has creative notes and placeholder audio
it was the version released to the localization teams for dubbing into other languages
tall sleet
idk I didn’t watch it luv !! :P
timid minnow
I’m gonna wait
past copper
I only watched 1 second of it to see what Kiriko looked like and that’s it
I didn’t stay to see what she can do or anything
tall sleet
Yeah I’ll just wait for official release
glossy arrow
I didn’t know anything got leaked
definitely dont reccommend watching it yet
it will be worth the wait
past copper
I will say though, I like her appearance. Though, the letter from the map kinda gave me the impression she would be older
But I guess the old saying “don’t judge a book by its cover” is used
peak escarp
she's the daughter mentioned in the letter
past copper
I know. I just wasn’t sure of her age. I thought she’d be Genji’s or Hanzo’s ages
Not sure how old they are
past copper
So in their 30s. She looks like she might be in her late teens or early 20s give or take
peak escarp
I don't think she's a teen because in the short ||she seems to live alone||, and also Blizzard wouldn't have us shooting a minor
past copper
Ah! But that didn’t stop them from making an animated short with that!
Soldier: 76 animated short Hero
peak escarp
no minor gets shot in Hero
past copper
Alejandra. She wasn’t shot at directly, but a grenade was thrown at her feet
peak escarp
she still wasn't shot
and showing a child in danger isn't the same as shooting at a child yourself
past copper
Well, at any point during that fire fight, she could’ve been very well hit with a stray shot. She wasn’t exactly in the safest of positions in the alley
past copper
Fine. But we’ll just have to wait and see her bio when it drops in hopefully October or after the full cinematic
dreamy epoch
it'd be funny if they got extreme backlash for something like that
tall sleet
Many games have minors as characters that you fight
Ex : Annie from league
It’s not that far fetched to say that a minor could be in a game Lmfao it’s also not that serious mate
peak escarp
that doesn't matter
tall sleet
Soooo true omg
Whale anyways I hope this new hero is cute I didn’t see them yet 😍😍😍
I hope they have a tail
peak escarp
why would they have a tail?
dreamy epoch
honestly just hoping for more inhuman characters
peak escarp
I don't think we'll get many
tall sleet
They’ve been referred to as fox girl
I don’t think it’s so out of pocket to want them to have a fox tail
past copper
It is. Because you’re asking them to be mutated or magical
tall sleet
something like Tigris from the hunger games would be cool as HELL
past copper
This isn’t Marvel or DC
tall sleet
They can sew a tail on
I actually love how every topic in here that isn’t posted by the same 3 people gets shut down immediately I actually love it
it’s actually saur cool
I post that I’d like to see a widowmaker movie and I get told NOPE. THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. EVER .
like okay god DAMN imagine caring ab overwatch lore that much
tall sleet
Widowmaker main character 😍
peak escarp
(people would just say it's a knockoff of Black Widow though)
past copper
And there’s no profit in it if only 1 character from the game got a movie
And Blizzard doesn’t strike me as the type to make multiple movies for each hero
tall sleet
Put in a DVA cameo boom big profit
Also the logistics of something g happening doesn’t stop me from wishing it would happen
past copper
Not to mention, there’s probably very little to no companies that would make it AND make it right
tall sleet
Like I know it’s not gonna happen … u don’t have to remind me … it’s just wishful thinking
not saying this to u I’m just saying in general
past copper
Heck. Warner Bros already are ruining their own movies, Disney is well Disney. That mostly leaves Pixar
Hmm. Pixar would probably do it
tall sleet
The death of hbo max so sad
past copper
The shorts already look like Pixar to begin with. I’d bet they could make an Overwatch movie
Eh. But options for a movie or series would more than likely go to Netflix. They will put anything on Netflix
Though, I kinda think it be cooler to see a Junkertown movie. See how our Queen lived before and after becoming Queen
Because I wanna know the story behind her family being banished
tall sleet
Junkertown movie would be hella lit
glossy arrow
i need a short on how Junkrat and Roadhog get busted and break out of prison
tall sleet
THAT WOULD BE SO GOOD
dreamy epoch
honestly considering how the plan is great I'd need a short on where roadhog likes to get some food
peak escarp
that would be fun
just Roadhog trying to get some Chinese food, but things keep happening
worthy rose
It is. Because you’re asking them to be mutated or magical
Have you seen Winston? The large.. Monkey that does science stuff and can talk?..
peak escarp
Winston and Hammond have an explanation
Horizon did genetic experiments on animals to enhance their intelligence
they didn't make human-animal hybrids
glossy arrow
just Roadhog trying to get some Chinese food, but things keep happening
sounds like naruto filler episode
worthy rose
they didn't make human-animal hybrids
What I meant is that the fox-girl hybrid is totally doable in the lore of Overwatch.. In terms of what they can do with genetic engineering and in general science and tech stuff.
peak escarp
not likely
worthy rose
not likely
So hover vehicles, genetic animals.. Winston that can talk.. Sentinent Omnics.. But a Human with Fox characteristics is where the line is drawn? Well.. Okay then.
peak escarp
those things all already exist in the lore
there's no evidence of human-animal hybrids
also this argument is pointless - we've seen Kiriko, she's an ordinary human
worthy rose
Eh, okay then.
zenith ridge
No furries in lore ty
tall sleet
So hover vehicles, genetic animals.. Winston that can talk.. Sentinent Omnics.. ...
it's okay no point in trying to debate w anyone in here LMFAO
RIDE OR DIE for lore
peak escarp
this is a serious channel
don't be surprised when people here are serious about the lore
tall sleet
ppl can have in depth discussions about lore without being rude to people for asking simple questions or trying to make lighthearted comments
there's a reason this channel is absolutely dead
tall sleet
💋
whtever mate im just saying that this channel would be insanely better and probably more active if discussions ab literally anything weren't shut down immediately with snark
the tail thing i brought up was a light hearted comment bcz its a ... fox girl ...
but i've seen MANY example of lore regulars just being insanely rude to people asking simple questions ab lore or even just mis remembering a little detail
overwatch has great lore and great characters to talk ab
peak escarp
it's hard to tell someone they're wrong in a polite way
tall sleet
I don't think it is
peak escarp
this channel isn't active because most of the community ignores the lore
or thinks it doesn't exist
tall sleet
hard disagree
peak escarp
the most active we get is when people come to troll
tall sleet
teacup say ur piece mate
personally speaking I love overwatch lore i think it's so interesting and would love to discuss it with others but talking here isn't comfortable for me that often
because i see ppl get talked down to like literal children by lore regulars
cosmic crest
Probably because a lot of people who drop in here act like children
tall sleet
and i'm saying there would probably be more normal non trolls dropping in here
if the channel was more welcoming
peak escarp
and how would we do that?
tall sleet
being kind... LOL
opal nexus
idk ive liked it here when talking 
tall sleet
i'm happy u had a good exp here
opal nexus
but like yeah its a popular fps game there will naturally be a lot of trolls messing around here
lore fans are passionate and loud yeah but theyre still a minority in this gargantuan community
peak escarp
what I mean is, how can I be nicer when I don't think I'm being rude
and nobody tells me when I'm being rude
all I care about is getting the facts right
cosmic crest
I haven't observed you being rude in this channel
tall sleet
friendship time ❤️
cosmic crest
Unless you consider disagreeing with people rude
tall sleet
i'm not necessarily talking about you lore warlord doctor_six
opal nexus
aw man ive always wanted to say that
peak escarp
say what
opal nexus
and he's a very blunt person
errr this
cosmic crest
He can come across as rude ocasionly. But I respect how blunt he his, I feel it is needed sometimes.
Particularly when there are trolls
opal nexus
can appreciate the straightforwardness
tall sleet
trolls are a diff story i'm talking ab people making little mistakes or asking genuine questions
being met with snark
i have lurked this channel for months and have seen it constantly
O WELL i've said my part we can move on now
#lets make a petition for a widowmaker movie
opal nexus
mmm most of the time it's essentially "lore says this and that" when i look in here
golden age movie would be more epic
or a show
show would be nice
tall sleet
it would be
opal nexus
tall sleet
hmm there are some stories i could see being better suited for a movie
like i think d.va would be a good main character for a movie
opaque tundra
I would love an anthology series with different art styles like love death and robots I think it's called
opal nexus
so much fax
tall sleet
oo omg i've never seen it but that would be cool
peak escarp
I am crazy excited for next year
tall sleet
for the pve?
peak escarp
ye
opaque tundra
This channel is gonna go crazy when PvE comes out
tall sleet
I'm SO excited for pve
peak escarp
the PvE is all I've ever wanted from this game ever since Uprising in 2017
opaque tundra
Spoiler tags everywhere I can already see it lol
tall sleet
a lot of people don't care that much about the archive missions
but i play the hell out of them when they're out
opal nexus
man maybe i can get lore regular here finally
tall sleet
i think they're so fun still
when pve comes out i'll become lore warlord doctor_seven
opal nexus
"oooooh shooting robots in the face so boring and easy"
man these fellas DONT KNOW THE PAIN OF STRATEGISING AROUND THE BASTION AND OR14 BUNKER 
peak escarp
I just love hearing the banter
opal nexus
define "snag" 
peak escarp
Cassidy whining his way through Rialto
tall sleet
i love the banter in the junkenstein missions
opal nexus
maybe we'll finally get max drinking something
opaque tundra
I wanna see that
peak escarp
AND they said we'll get different dialogue if we pick different heroes, which gives me a reason to replay the story missions to hear all the dialogue
opaque tundra
maybe we'll finally get max drinking something
Hero of Numbani mentioned something about omnic oil beverages or something if my memory serves me right but that could be something the author made up
peak escarp
yeah
tall sleet
AND they said we'll get different dialogue if we pick different heroes, which gi...
WHAT this is so cool i'm hyped
opaque tundra
Hero of Numbani got the short end of the stick unfortunately. Sucks it didn't get an event
cosmic crest
maybe we'll finally get max drinking something
Would be quite dificult for him considering he has no mouth
opal nexus
its been 6 years could be a different story now
peak escarp
Hero of Numbani mentioned something about omnic oil beverages or something if my...
Organic oils were poured into wineglasses and OmniWorx synthetic greases came packaged in designer tins, smelling of mint or lavender or citrus blends.
limpid agate
Hero of Numbani mentioned something about omnic oil beverages or something if my...
There are posters for it on Numbani
opaque tundra
Thank you
limpid agate
I think its Numbani?
peak escarp
it's unclear whether they drink the oils or use them for lubrication
peak escarp
we don't really know
opal nexus
do they have batteries?
tall sleet
do they even have batteries
peak escarp
we don't know much about how omnics work
opaque tundra
I assume they recharge when they sleep
tall sleet
ooh
cosmic crest
Omnics are very poorly documented
It's one of my biggest issues with the lore honestly
peak escarp
they must have some kind of power cell
opal nexus
they gotta be self sustaining somehow
like bastion has his core and self-repair
tall sleet
i think i've asked this before but do you guys think we'll get talon missions for pve
limpid agate
No idea
tall sleet
i think that would be incredibly cool
opaque tundra
I think so
peak escarp
I believe one of the devs said Talon missions were a possibility
opal nexus
we got a big enough roster for it at least
limpid agate
Its hard to tell now given how much content has slowed down
peak escarp
nothing confirmed though
limpid agate
At this point, all we can say is 4 missions are confirmed so far
tall sleet
which ones? ik the lucio one
peak escarp
assuming those haven't changed
limpid agate
Rio
Gothenburg
Toronto
India
cosmic crest
I feel as though Talon missions would be best saved for a seperate campaign
limpid agate
The India map is also likely named Varanasi
But that could have also changed
Or just been an internal development name
peak escarp
it's possible they could continually add missions every season
to keep the story going
limpid agate
Yes
tall sleet
I think a talon halloween mission would be fun idk why
opaque tundra
Suravasa is a more likely India map name candidate
I'm more curious about that new Nepal map and the new game mode
Like how many places are on that mountain lol
opaque tundra
Rio demo was 15 minutes ish
peak escarp
I expect them to be similar to the Archives missions
tall sleet
that's not bad then
dreamy epoch
we're in the dark but archives area sounds plausible
peak escarp
possibly longer
tall sleet
i hope a bit longer
opaque tundra
I hope cinematics aren't too short
dreamy epoch
because they weren't actually making pve a dedicated thing before
peak escarp
I hope they do what they said they might do and have more than 4 heroes to choose from for each mission
dreamy epoch
also they didn't have many ingame cutscenes during those missions
peak escarp
for more replayability
dreamy epoch
yeah certain heroes on certain missions are cool
peak escarp
iirc they said every mission will have an animated intro and outro (like Storm Rising)
dreamy epoch
if they expand the variety and don't make it a separate mode it would fit in with multiple OW agents
tall sleet
oh yeah i forgot about talent trees
opaque tundra
Plus hero missions for every map and time of day
tall sleet
there will probably be a whole channel here dedicated to pve strats LOL
peak escarp
we don't know
but probably not
that seems like something you have to earn by playing the hero
peak escarp
PvE will have hero levels
cosmic crest
There may be a price of entry for the PvE side of the game, but they aren't going to paywall individual talent trees
peak escarp
you'll level up the heroes individually
I might finally learn to play other heroes 😛
tall sleet
yess that's exciting too
I'm hyped but I'm sad we're gonna have to wait a bit after the initial ow2 release to play it
peak escarp
AND we'll have OW2 PvP to play in the meantime
tall sleet
TRUEE
peak escarp
did you see how many voice lines and interactions there were in the beta?
that's just scratching the surface
past copper
People will still play regardless of the negative thoughts of those who don’t like new heroes locked behind BP
tall sleet
didn't they say they recorded like 50k voice lines ( i might be misremembering the number)
past copper
I personally think it’s a wise move to try that
tall sleet
for ow2 absolutely nutty
past copper
Bc I played the beta against Queen and Sojourn teams and I can tell you with certainty that those two alone destroy the enemy team
They just OP together
peak escarp
and there's the Sojourn novel in a month
tall sleet
oh yes i forgot about that
peak escarp
they haven't announce an audiobook version yet - hope there is one
tall sleet
my canadian sister
peak escarp
I like listening to the audiobook while reading
I want to hear Sojourn's Jack Morrison impression
if you haven't listened to the Deadlock Rebels audiobook, I highly recommend it
past copper
I’d love to see how Sojourn kicked robot ass in the crisis
I like to learn more about everything that happened in the Omnic Crisis
See if what they’re up against with Null Sector has strong similarities to what happened back then
peak escarp
I'm sure something in the Sojourn novel will be paralleled in the PvE missions
dreamy epoch
I need null sector to be a threat
past copper
They are a threat. Just not sure if they will be as big a threat as the Omnic Crisis or worse
Considering how easily they were beaten in Busan, probably less of a threat. But that’s just me
Though, it’s only because the MEKA Squad and new Overwatch worked so well together
opaque tundra
There's been radio silence about the Sojourn novel since is announcement
Although it's not out of the ordinary now that I think about it
past copper
I think they just can’t tell you anything from the novel without spoiling something is all
The cover we saw alone says there’s a lot going on after all
opal nexus
dr liao lore for one 
peak escarp
opaque tundra
Ayo if Liao has a big role we might get a hint about Echo's age
dreamy epoch
liao my goat
limpid agate
We shouldnt get a hint about Echo's Age
Echo was made under Overwatch, after Athena
And Athena was made under Overwatch
past copper
You know what would be cool? Getting animations of the novels
The novels are great and all, but them and an animated version would pretty interesting together
tall sleet
i agree that would be cool
past copper
Love to watch Ashe and Cassidy spin a tale and Efi tell the story of Orisa’s birth
Even how Sojourn fought in the Omnic Crisis and joined Overwatch
Could they be movies though? That all depends on how much they can splay out the books to adapt them into an animated film
peak escarp
same
dreamy epoch
yeah we need to move forward
considering how they've always been looking into the past with all the stuff we've gotten
zero hour is the first major story beat in like how long
peak escarp
this is the present day story so far
red galleon
Junker Queen cinematic?
grand wedge
What about it?
opaque tundra
Junker Queen cinematic?
I think it takes place 10 years ago or something
red galleon
Rel
limpid agate
All we know is Junkrat and Roadhog were in Mexico a fe days before Infiltration
rotund ermine
The fuck
keen summit
so a hero candidate that is still out there and we'll see again in pve is kace form london calling
past copper
so a hero candidate that is still out there and we'll see again in pve is kace f...
Doubtful
He’s not shown anything to make him a hero and there’s no telling if London will even be in the story mode
Especially since King’s Row was Null Sector’s first city attacked years ago before OW2 in Uprising
limpid agate
so a hero candidate that is still out there and we'll see again in pve is kace f...
I put Kace in as an honourable mention because of recency
But I do not think he has any real chance to become playable
At leaast not until we see more
past copper
Eh. I kinda thought him a possibility when I first read the comic. Thinking there was some connection to the mysterious leader of Null Sector
peak escarp
would have been a lot cooler if they were connected
limpid agate
Instead, the connection was explained in an exposition epilogue where the story was resolved offscreen
London Calling was not good
past copper
🤷♂️ You never know. There could be some form of connection. Just because Null Sector was beaten in Uprising doesn’t mean their presence is gone
past copper
Good point, but I was referring to the scars they left behind
On both humans and omnics alike
limpid agate
!!londoncalling
twilit nacelleBOT
Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
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limpid agate
This alone give Kace the possibility of appearing again
And makes their hero chances non-zero
With a likely tie to Null Sector that was explained away in this epilogue that tied up the story
New Blood was mostly good though
I think 4 and 5 had weird pacing, it could have been a series of 6 to fix that last chapter
But that's fine
The worst of NB was still better than peak LC (issue 1)
Id love to see a new series
The quality of the novels have been consistent though. Hero of Numbani was a bit too kids booky but it was fine. Deadlock Rebels was great
I have high hopes for Sojourn
Especially since her character isnt as childlike as the others
past copper
Honestly, I kinda see Kace having better chances of being an NPC like Max rather than a playable hero
sharp trench
how will this affect overwatch lore
limpid agate
Potentially substantially
keen summit
Honestly, I kinda see Kace having better chances of being an NPC like Max rather...
Yeah i think he will have something in pve atleast cuz well we do know london is in it cuz we got shown bew areas open up in pve and kings row was shown as example
He seems the exact type to be on radical omnics side
So null sector
So i think he'll return, maybe as a person trying to get more null sector omnics
Also he atleast has some shot at being a hero cuz he was teased, had a gun and has a clear character + got away while being tied to the enemy faction in ow2
peak escarp
a lot of characters have been shown in the comics/lore, that doesn't mean they have a shot at becoming a hero
keen summit
If we keep getting heroes at the rate they promised i dont think its unlikely, just not the priority
Besides we really need more omnics in the cast
We have 4 omnics
Echo orisa zen bastion
peak escarp
technically Echo isn't an omnic
keen summit
But she is an omnic, sure she copies her creator but she still is an omnic
keen summit
Didnt her creator call her an omnic tho
peak escarp
nope
keen summit
Ah k
Mb on that but you get what i mean
Omnics and robotics are so importabt to the story
Yet we barely have any in the entire cast
We will most likely get more and stuff but i think its a shame, also cuz we basically only have good omnics
grand wedge
Still waiting on that Omnic meeting Doomfist at the end of Storm Rising to be playable 🤞
keen summit
Yeah same
But honestly i think theyll release him when pve almost comes out
As kinda like teasing more pve
Or even after so we know him and get hyped
So a year later
We dont have many omnic hero candidates tho tbf
In fact in general we have few hero candidates atm
red galleon
But playing him in pve will be weird because he is from null sector and fight aganist null sector!?
keen summit
Well you wont play as him probs
Atleast not in when they base it on story
But often they have free modes where you play everyone like the pve archives events
You can play canon or play anyone
First time you play canon second time you can also choose
But we dont know if its always vs omnics, we might play as null sector vs junkers for example
red galleon
Kk
keen summit
But there are few hero candidates left really
Sajay if i got nane correct from vishkar and talon
Mauga
Maximillian
Null sector storm rising omnic
Excavation guy from some maps forgot name
Rn no meka squad members are planned so they are out
Oh and those gladiators
opal nexus
hamid as a hero would be epic
keen summit
Funny how we have 3 italian maps and no hero
opal nexus
well we know we're getting someone related to the portugal map
so add in another for that list
opal nexus
true
keen summit
What if another statue is getting dug up so Hamid
Or talon has a hideout
Etc
Wheb the portugal map comes we can check it out
But those are the hero candidstes rn
opal nexus
keen summit
The only one i see as a tank is mauga and next hero is tank
Maybe storm rising omnic but i expect him when pve drops
Like to make people hyped for him through pve and other way around
However ive always still wanted that mech controlled in infiltration yknow but he'd just be rein and zarya smashed together
Honestly never understood hyoe for meka squad
dreamy epoch
I think another Meka squad would just be a cool experiment
primarily because they might have similar mechanics to dva who's one of the most beloved characters but they can have a completely different ultimate or something
we've barely seen them in action though unlike shooting star
grand wedge
We saw them a bit in New Blood
But Dva was a nightmare for the devs - because she is basically two characters in one. So I’m not getting my hopes for another MEKA hero.
quaint knoll
i just want more animations
peak escarp
we'll be spoiled for animations when PvE launches
all the missions will have animated intros/outros
iron plume
He's a leader
Officially, Talon has a council and Reaper is on it
along with Doomfist, Moira, Sanjay, Maximillien and some unknowns
Unofficially Doomfist is the mastermind
worthy rose
Is reaper considered the most evil character ever
iron plume
eh
cosmic crest
By who exactly? Some people do I'm sure
iron plume
In my opinion, no
worthy rose
Who is the most evil character in overwatch
iron plume
Moira
iron plume
All of Talon are generally the bad guys
But Doomfist, while he's wrong on his philosophy, does what he does out of sense of bringing about a better world in the end
While reaper is just angry and in pain
worthy rose
Why is reaper angry
iron plume
Moira on the other hand supports a terrorist organisation purely for selfish means
worthy rose
I mostly wanna know about reaper more
iron plume
To do dangerous and methodologically poor science with no concern for the results
Reaper is angry because of his condition and because he feels Overwatch, especially Soldier, left him behind to die
iron plume
I mostly wanna know about reaper more
Have you read Code of Violence?
worthy rose
No nothing
iron plume
!!lorestories
twilit nacelleBOT
Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul
Code of Violence: https://bit.ly/33CeroL
Overwatch Novels:
Note: These books are not free, but can be purchased online from a retailer like Amazon (linked)
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worthy rose
To lazy
iron plume
Last one from the first block
iron plume
It's about Reaper and has a lot of his backstory and thinking
It's like 12 pages, you can handle it
cosmic crest
You seem to like Reaper a lot. I think you'd probably like it
iron plume
okay not 12 more around 18
But if you care and want to learn about Reaper it's your best source
worthy rose
Ok
I'll read it
So soldier 24 was the first reaper basically where everything started right then goes Gabriel reyes then joins blackwatch then becomes reaper or did I miss something
iron plume
He wasn't reaper then but yes
worthy rose
Yeah
Thats what im saying
He wasn't reaper
Back then
So what
Was the code of violence outfit
Where that come from
opal nexus
his first mission with talon
iron plume
It's from his early Talon days
opal nexus
yeh
iron plume
I'm moderately excited for the PvE part
Not so much for the everything else
worthy rose
No pvp
I love using reaper because im Litteraly one of the best with him
Ok and
Who would win
Soldier 76 or Reaper
iron plume
We've seen that fight before and it's neither
worthy rose
There both
iron plume
They were both knocked out and presumed dead in the HQ explosion
Then in Old Soldiers, Soldier 'won' but he was with Ana
cosmic crest
They were both knocked out and presumed dead in the HQ explosion
Well, we can assume Jack won that fight. Maybe not easily, but he mangaed to escape with no lasting injuries. Unlike Reyes.
iron plume
Well we don't really know the extent of their injuries
iron plume
Reyes got his shit rocked by the explosion but his current condition is likely due to the degeneration rather than that
Similarly critical injuries could have healed well for Soldier and reaper-ly for Reaper
quaint mist
So anyone wanna give me a basic lore rundown? I'm a bit lost at this point. Anyone who can point me in the right direction is appreciated too
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Stone By Stone: https://bit.ly/36EsPul
Also important for Overwatch 2 is Cassidy's comic series, New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
quaint mist
Thank you
zenith ridge
Are we going to get anything similar to New bloods, something that explains the reforming of overwatch?
worthy rose
Gimmie more comics
tall sleet
who are the heroes in the junkenstein wrath of the bride graphic ?
i think one is sojourn but i cant tell who the other two are
cosmic crest
How do you know she dosen't?
cosmic crest
She doesn’t need to “pull it” from anywhere. It’s a projection.
past copper
There is no magic. None. Zero. Nonexistent. It’s all science and technology. Accept this as fact already
molten shore
Does fox girl have any relation to Denji and Hanzo
little spindle
I agree
The power of the iris is actually a quantum formula
Zenyatta actually has a PhD in quantum mechanics
And engineered his balls
dreamy epoch
yeah she trained under the same person as genji and hanzo
ngl that triple wall climbing thing made me smile a bit
quartz trellis
have the shown any lore for kiriko
her names means chip shavings left after cutting wood
peak escarp
no lore yet