stadium-discussion

[forest coral]

also important to not chase kills if too many people turn on you at some point you just have to jump back to your moira or a mega health pack so you can go back in and take advantage of the resources you got out

[ebon folio]

So is it just me or are Brig WP builds still booty cheeks

And there's like no reason to do anything other than AP builds

[fallow socket]

saw someone do it and they ran the lobby

both of the spinny whip powers + pack stacker + wp and survivability

[hallow fog]

why does orisa take 0 dmg in stadium

who thought this was fun

[main jungle]

Pro tip, shoot her

Tends to help

[hallow fog]

NO

This is bait you shoot the supports or else she never dies

[main jungle]

Okay for real though, anti on crits/AP damage does wonders and if you're doing wp, codebreaker helps a lot

[acoustic kiln]

the humble all survival burn orisa build with ana kiriko backline:

[neon galleon]

I mean at that point her damage is basically fuck all

[vital tulip]

Not if you're within 6m of her, then you're getting burned for 3-500 dmg every 6 seconds

[main jungle]

I don't think I've lost to an Orisa outside of a mirror match in like 2 seasons

Like, you genuinely just shoot her and she dies

If you can't damage race her, your build probably needs work

[reef lichen]

oh my god as soon as vendetta gets added to stadium it's all over, just melee build and jump in and deal a fuck ton of damage and get out

[fallow socket]

i mean thats what winston is rn with just some cd red

[reef lichen]

wait what the fuck happened to lucio's powers

[plain lantern]

Radio edit is gone, i think it was busted with another power that the more you hold beat the more overhealth you’ll get. Not sure tho

[reef lichen]

what did radio edit do

[plain lantern]

Everytime you use amp you do a mini sound barrier

[reef lichen]

this is why we cant have nice things

[reef lichen]

i think this is a good support torb build

[fallow socket]

swedish sauna is overpowered

u can recharge 50% up to an entire ult if ur team actively uses it

Plus you become filthy rich because they probably overtuned the healing cash gen

[reef lichen]

Which one is that, I wasn't paying attention to the names

[fallow socket]

The 4th one in your loadout

Heals you and allies for 50% of magma damage

For real support torb i dont think hammering is the way to go, armor packs are really strong though

Probably just wanna be tanky and pokey

[reef lichen]

But I can heal people with the hammer

[fallow socket]

i guess

[reef lichen]

Just put down a turret to deal damage and heal people in the backline

What powers would I even use for a playstyle like that though

[reef lichen]

support torb was a mistake from me, he sucks so much ass holy shit

that or hazard is just a broken win button

and im thinking it's the 2nd one cause hazard mains in stadium are the worst people to ever exist, blizzard just casually dont nerf his damage and instead nerf his walls which is bullshit

nerf the spike guard builds already blizzard holy shit

he can still do like 200 damage a second while receiving very little damage in return

he will only die with a spike guard build if the person playing him is fucking dogshit at the game and cant position well

but if he does have more than 1 braincell then he's gonna curb stomp your team so hard you might as well just leave

you could probably put on a blind fold and just use the same dumbass spike guard build every single game and probably reach legend with it

[lethal bay]

Still??

[signal rune]

The stadium matchmaking really needs a fix I’m all star 1 but almost every game I get teammates who are novice or silver

[lethal bay]

why is my dps pinging a mei on the left flank

and not doing anything about it

YOU are the dps, take care of her

rather than pinging her for your support or frontline to deal with? 😂

[kind sluice]

Does distortion perk on mercy only affect if targeted by damage boost?

[gusty hedge]

fooooorttnite

[main jungle]

Spike guard did get nerfed, support Torb is just bad. I'd recommend swapping out hammer healing with the one that lowers overdrives CD on dealing weapon damage. You can get a lot of sustain with it

[lethal creek]

Who would u guys like to see in stadium next, i’ve been thinking and can’t think of one bc all the good ones are already in stadium

[reef lichen]

bastion

i wanna see what they do with him

[spring thicket]

I think Hanzo could be interesting, I think doom could work, I think wuyang would be great, I think illari would be great, I think ram could possibly work, and I think echo would be 10/10

I predict that in the future we'll see echo, doom, and wuyang

Maybe Vendetta too

[low sedge]

i think venture would be awesome

[main obsidian]

does sigma count airborne enemy in stadium?

[fallow socket]

No

must jump or use flying power

Sigma can make a lot of people airborne though, ult of course and his flying punch power but also his main attack can trigger it

idk how that’s relevant but I found it interesting to say lol

[gaunt sorrel]

only during ult and some of the powers that make him fly

[real vine]

If Hanzo gets added, he should get a power that allows him to make Storm Arrows home in on enemies after bouncing off walls, but reduce the damage by like 30%
I always found that feature of the ability nearly useless so Stadium can be a chance to remedy that mistake

[neon galleon]

Sigma still counts as grounded so no, you have to force someone into the air to get the anti-air items to trigger if they won’t get in the air themselves, though Sigma can make great use of the anti-air items himself since his primary fire knocks the target into the air a bit and his ult keeps them airborne for a fair bit.

[neon galleon]

I’m pretty sure most people don’t even realize the storm arrows can bounce off walls, though if you know the bounce angles I imagine you could combine it with the ability that gives you vision to get some cheeky kills on someone behind cover.

[real vine]

Yeah that's my point, it's so pointless because you don't even know how the arrows will bounce, and since the hitbox is so small, it means you often won't even hit it. If it homed in, it would actually give a point to the bouncing because it would give him a reliable way of applying pressure to enemies out of LOS

[neon galleon]

With players not knowing about it I meant more so in the fact that unless you’re familiar with his scatter arrows why would you think storm arrows could bounce? When you think of a bouncing projectile you’d more likely immediately think of Junkrat’s primary and they bounce pretty differently to Hanzo’s arrows

Plus Hanzo needs more enclosed spaces to make use of the bounce, you can’t bounce them off a wall to get someone nearby like Junkrat can you have to do more precise geometry to get Hanzo’s arrows to hit around the corner.

[spring thicket]

I think getting a scatter arrow, leap generating storm arrow charges, dragons decreasing in size but increasing in damage, having two leaps, sonic arrow having homing, etc would all be awesome

#bringbackscatterarrow

[real vine]

I believe it says so in the ability description, and it's natural for people to miss shots, and people would notice if the missed shots suddenly bounced off walls

[spring thicket]

Storm arrows bouncing is 90% of the time useless

As a former Hanzo player, you should probably save your storm arrow for melting tank or off angling

[real vine]

Exactly, that was why I was advocating for powers that gave them more use

[spring thicket]

Yeah I agree

[real vine]

Like homing off bounce for more consistent pressure out of LOS

[spring thicket]

Homing should be relatively minimal for that though I feel

Not hard homing

[real vine]

I'd deal with a 20-30% damage decrease just for the bounced arrows to actually launch themselves at enemies instead of a random direction

[spring thicket]

You could also do a junkrat thing and make them bigger or stronger

Hear me out you could make them Hitscan

[real vine]

For the bounced arrows or Storm Arrows in general?

[spring thicket]

In general

You could keep the bounce and just make it immediate

[real vine]

I feel like that's too strong
Hanzo's main weakness as a main DPS is that he has to rely on a projectile at range instead of hitscan so an enemy hitscan can farm him

Removing that weakness makes him have no weakness at range, even compared to already dominant hitscan characters like Sojourn

[neon galleon]

I’m gonna put the difference I feel Junkrat bounce and storm arrow bounce has in a very simple sentence since I feel like it shows the main problem I feel people are having with Storm Arrow’s bounce very well: Junkrat players can just send explosions somewhere to make that direction no longer exist while Hanzo players need to pull out a college level math book in the middle of the fight(also most Hanzos just pull a Hunstman Sniper and just send arrows down a choke until someone runs into it).

[spring thicket]

does charged plating work only once per round?

[vital tulip]

Yep just once

[lethal bay]

how to counter hazard as dps

[low sedge]

play tracer

[spring thicket]

I've been throwing

I used it on every freja Bola build till the end

For months

[reef lichen]

if they add sombra and doomfist at the same time it's all over

[main jungle]

It's still really good, 10% AP and 25 armor is a crazy rate for 1k and if you're ulting early its great value

Keep in mind that the only items other than the common that give 10% AP each cost 3750-4k

[spring thicket]

I've been keeping it for the whole game

I know it's good but I thought I was getting like 30% ap out of it

[boreal ruin]

That would be beyond overpowered and pretty obviously not the use case

You're not getting stackable AP for 1k in a gamemode where getting ults is piss easy

If that was the case junkrat and brig would just outright be the best characters in the game

[ancient ibex]

Which character do yall wanna see next season in stadium

[spring thicket]

That's what I thought

[neon galleon]

Yeah you can basically save 1500 since the common 10% AP costs 1000 and the common 25 armor costs 1500, so a character that can easily get ult and get at least some use out of AP really like it, Genji is also an interesting case since Dragon Blade is affected by AP, WP, and melee damage so Genji could potentially get a 25% damage boost on Blade in round 1.

[reef lichen]

what is the best juno build

[reef lichen]

what should i swap out in this build

[real vine]

I just want Roadhog purely because I wanna see Hogdrogen Exposure come back as a power, it was one of my favorite perks in the game while it was out and I want it back

[boreal ruin]

the hero

[mental jetty]

im not sure why this is leaning into weapon power early on

[reef lichen]

so i can heal more often instead of waiting for the healing ability i forgot what it was called

[lunar veldt]

why do dps refuse to buy survival items and they just keep dying

[mental jetty]

torpedoes?

i think its fine but i think you could at least replace the first power with a torpedoes power instead of mediblaster crit

so that by round 3 you can pivot heavily into ability power without being stuck wth a weapon power item that doesnt do anything for you anymore

by that point you should be able to stack 10-15% cooldown reduc if not more

thats typically what i do on juno

lean into a mix of weapon power and ability power but into a lean towards AP so i can pivot heavily into it in the late game

[dense seal]

hey what lucio power did they remove?

I have a Lucio build thats missing a power now

[timber hearth]

Use the ability item that increases ring duration would be my recommendation

[novel moat]

why isnt zen talked abt much
he seems rly strong when playing tank build with wp
able to punish dives quite well

[fallow socket]

jq is the strongest tank now

if yall have ran into the jet skates build its atrocious

well id say winston is stronger at dominating the lobby compared to jq, but jq bodies winston so that puts her above

hazard is nothing 💔

[novel moat]

Jq still strongest?

Isn't it rein

[reef lichen]

spike guard hazard:

[fallow socket]

ehh

so easy to just explode him or run away and he has less burst after wall nerfs

[reef lichen]

i didnt even use his walls for damage, i used them for more spike guard charge

[fallow socket]

jq and winston can always chase u

and they dont die

[reef lichen]

hazard does that too, just get ability power and ability lifesteal and just jump into them and you win

[fallow socket]

its really not like that anymore

[reef lichen]

yes it is, you can still get unlimited spike guard charge with your walls cause all you need to do is just throw it out, it just has to deal any kind of damage at all for you to get more charge

[fallow socket]

having more meter is not that good

anyone can run before u even use it up lol

[reef lichen]

yes it is, you can block 60% of damage AND deal damage with it

[reef lichen]

just jump at them then

[fallow socket]

more meter has no correlation to that

[fallow socket]

yeah and it doesnt kill them fast enough nowadays

or u just die

[reef lichen]

why are you acting like being able to tank 60% of all damage and being able to heal it all back with a fast recharge is balanced

[fallow socket]

because its just not that good lol

ive been playing stadium all day, jq and winston are just better

[reef lichen]

i never saw someone play hazard and not do a stupid spike guard build, you can just farm money with it

people in stadium just think they can live it and they probably wont

[fallow socket]

what is your point there

[reef lichen]

my point is spike guard builds need a nerf

[fallow socket]

well they dont

[reef lichen]

it does need a nerf but whatever makes you happy i guess

[fallow socket]

ok qp demon

[reef lichen]

how about this build then

[mental jetty]

if you wanna lean into missles id switch powers 2 and 3 and pick up PulStar Destroyers in the late game

you might also want something like biotech maximizer for the cooldown reduction instead of amari's antidote

maximize your torpedo cycle so you use it repeatedly to cash out on burst damage and healing on basically anyone

juno weapon power builds are kinda not that good at all so id either lean away from those entirel yor double down on them

better than running a mediocre AP build with some weapon items thrown in

generally its a good tip to double down heavily on the build youre leaning into by round 3

its fine to have a generic starter early on when you dont have a lot of items that synergize well

oh ye and probably pick up cosmic coolant as a first or second item then bump everything else to the back

[reef lichen]

luck based match making stikes again

[mental jetty]

if ya cant win ya cant win, but you can always learn

[reef lichen]

i didnt learn shit from that match though

[reef lichen]

that's alot of cooldowns, also what should i focus on when playing brig in stadium

[boreal ruin]

Fun Fact Hazard block is affected by Attack Speed

[silent wolf]

anyone play high rank stadium

i have a stadium tourne today what comp is meta

[boreal ruin]

survival ashe, torb healer, charge rein, wp build brig and juno 100%!

[reef lichen]

no

[reef lichen]

i thought ability power brig was better cause it increases inspire's healing

[boreal ruin]

Im trolling

Wp brig and juno are worthless

[reef lichen]

so ability power brig is good?

[boreal ruin]

its batshit insane

All her ap powers synergize very well

Arguably the best scaling hero with powers

[reef lichen]

being able to heal almost 400 damage on a 5 second cooldown is insane

[boreal ruin]

you can get ult every 20 seconds

pretty effortlessly

I do wonder if the healing procced from inspire via abilities works with biotech maximizer

[reef lichen]

i knew this 120% ability power build was good

[north depot]

does anyone have tips on dealing w AP hazard ?

feels super broken

[boreal ruin]

get the 3% ult charge on ability dmg + rally burn perks

[mental jetty]

well did you feel like your build held some weight?

you can always evaluate how you play even if youre gonna lose regardless

[patent crow]

did you need it to?

[mental jetty]

funny

[mental jetty]

beans (this is good)

[mental jetty]

its juno torpedoes so hopefully

[north depot]

.

[mighty perch]

is cassidy the best dps

i pick him in 99% of matchups i feel like he only loses against ranged heroes in long maps

[forest coral]

you prob die too easily

also quick melee heal doesn’t work on brig

[forest coral]

probably that hero is dumb as hell

good against the best heroes in the game absolutely takes over a game if you’re having a good aim day

[lilac mortar]

do we know whos comin' to stadium in s20?

[vital tulip]

We don't have any certain answers no. There's some speculation about a handful of heroes that currently benefit from ability power items if they acquire them through the workshop but that's it at the moment

[reef lichen]

I looked in the workshop and i think 4 heroes that aren't in stadium benefit from ability power or something like that

[novel moat]

does winston counter zen

[vital tulip]

Ngl everytime I've played Zen I'm overjoyed to face a Winston however ap/cdr Winston maybe doesn't kill Zen but he sure doesn't ever die and will zone you constantly if he knows what he's doing

[real vine]

AP Winston barely kills anything

Or at least it sounds like it

Like I get jump pack is cool, but it deals so little damage even when invested in and the powers associated with it don't really compare to his weapon powers

[vital tulip]

Idk I've seen some devastating primal slam Winstons, but they're usually not building heavy ap. Just absolute menaces with jugging mechanics and mark of the kitsune so they're burst is crazy fast on squishies

It's more often just the 30-40% cdr + Zero-G suit and Primal Slam just giving them infinite mobility. Zen can out lifesteal Winston especially if you grab Instant Karma with how big of a target he is and can even melt through Primal's hp but they often just leave after you apply discord

[twin shuttle]

why are the queues still 20 minutes long 😭

[lethal bay]

Can you go AP junkrat to destroy flyers? With the anti air AP items?

[fallow socket]

better to play zip grease and shoot them out of the sky

[lethal bay]

Ty

[boreal ruin]

nah aerial junk is lowkey fun as shit to the point its worth learning

ESPECIALLY if they have brig

the dumbass will either die or boop you further up again

[forest phoenix]

Why is matchmaking broken again it was going so well for a while there

Last couple of days I’m just getting brand new players when I’m all star

[shadow fjord]

match maker goes off of a hidden mmr and the ranks mean nothing for it. If you're really high mmr and a low rank then you'll match up with pros and allstars and stuff and gain hundreds per win and lose nothing per loss

that being said games have been rough for me the past couple days lol, climbing this season feels harder... but maybe i'm just worse

last season i didn't lose points till allstar, now i'm losing like 5-10 points in pro per loss lol

but yeah if someone was high mmr last season and hasn't played till now they will be in a match with alot of pros and allstars and stuff

[forest phoenix]

its just so confusing cause why does it say "can be grouped within 10 levels" or whatever but doesn't actually group you within 10 levels

how am I queued with a brand new OW player if thats what they're saying \

[shadow fjord]

because thats not what they're saying

grouped means like... you're in a party and queuing together

not that they're in your game

i don't blame you for being confused tbh

[forest phoenix]

weird that you can't group wide but they matchmake you wide

[shadow fjord]

i think its the opposite? when solo they match you to players with the same mmr so it will be more narrow... in a group, if it does work like it says i dont' play with people, then you could have someone with allstar mmr grouping with someone with actual rookie mmr and it messing everything up and going hyper wide

i agree the system is weird, but because of the sling shot mechanic where it tries to force you to your rank its not like you could really keep it up for long

like you can lose streak your way to allstar if your mmr is high enough because it gives you so much per win

but yeah, with the system how it is the displayed rank in stadium does not equate to the players actual rank until they stop being forced up

if they are matching with allstars then their mmr is around that level most likely

they might be rusty tho joining the season so late

[mental jetty]

he's got surprisingly high burst damage but ye its a much more cyclical winston playstyle

one i find more fun

[reef lichen]

What does the current stadium tier list look like

[boreal ruin]

Winston, Sigma

Gap

Everyone (they’re the goats)

[reef lichen]

is there a worst to best?

[mental jetty]

best: characters you play
worst: characters i play

[boreal ruin]

what @mental jetty said except its flipped

[cunning swallow]

I'm all star support and a support main - I've recently decided to try learn tank - so I've been playing stadium qp and it's been going well! I'm now trying ranked and it's putting me in all star games still! I can't compete at this level on tank! How long will I suffer for before it gives me games I can realistically play? 🥲

[dim ruin]

the way I understand it, while the overall lobby might be all star....your counterpart has roughly the same mmr as you. this takes into count that ranks in stadium can be achieved thru enough attempts to get a win. getting allstar in 15 games played on a role is a way better player than someone that has played 50 games to get to allstar. tldr: cuz blizzard said it was even

[neon galleon]

Sometimes I wonder how I get crappy and just asshole team mates, and then sometimes I wonder how I end up facing a Rein that doesn’t realize that to protect his team he needs to stay with them and hold his barrier up…

[dim ruin]

imho stadium teams are a bit....wider...in skill varience then regular ladder 5v5. I agree, there is usually the one derpy player that is waaay off the pace (sometimes that derpy player is ME...and I know it haha)

[neon galleon]

The funniest part is he never figured out that while yeah his barrier can now protect him when he charges….he still has to obey collision…and that includes Mei walls

The second funniest part was a Cass literally named Flip who grab combat roll powers still straight up did better than him.

[cunning swallow]

I feel like I'm going to have a to play on a new account somehow just to have fun/ be able to compete as a tank 😅

[worthy quest]

i feel like its genuinely so impossible to rank up solo queue in stadium team is always lacking synergy and just a basic understanding of the game it feels like

[dim ruin]

see, im opposite..solo queue is way easier then 3-5 stacking (gold player on ladder for reference on general skill) mostly touch allstar, but hit legend on dps last season. I tend to be really flex on perks that I use, I find too many players avoid the survivability options as their mindset is to shoot/heal their way out of every encounter....and that just isnt true imho.

spending time in spawn means you are having zero influence on the match at hand

[pulsar salmon]

I just go tracer crit build (no auto aim it sucks) and lowk dominate most lobbies

[fallow socket]

auto aim not that bad

better than the 1 dmg overtime power atleast

[hybrid gust]

i played with aspen while i was in bronze

[green cedar]

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[gaunt sorrel]

delete moira from stadium

[eternal chasm]

Nah man delete genji

[fallow wadi]

because he embodies everything bland about trying too hard?

[uncut belfry]

U look very based

[sand shard]

is there a reason they decided to make the stadium ranks meaningless?

like a stated reason

cus it's very strange given that it's directly contradictory to the goal of encouraging people to play it more

[nocturne sandal]

I need my regular role back, its the bane of my existence, my reason to live

[nocturne sandal]

More MrBeast scams

[shadow fjord]

the main question would be what sort of meaning are you looking for? Like if you're mad at the streamlined rivals style ranked system then i guess thats fair... it still means something kind of but really its all just hidden mmr driving everything so its as meaningful as normal ranked but with even less informative window dressing

[sand shard]

I'm not mad about anything

also don't know what you mean by "streamlined rivals style ranked system"

stadium ranks aren't based on your mmr

they're just points you gain from winning, you (basically) can't go down. the more you play the higher your rank

this defeats the purpose of a ranked system which is to give people something to strive for so they have an extrinsic motive to play

[shadow fjord]

you're discribing rivals ranked system, which is closer to a card game ranked system, and so is stadium

[shadow fjord]

honestly i play comp because i enjoy the slight bit of structure it brings and the people playing it are generally more there to "play the game" and not just have a silly time. I don't think every person does, or should, chase a carrot on a stick that amounts to a shiny sticker. I think there are a number of people who simply play for fun and wont' really care about the ranked tied to it

as gamers we too often confuse the rush of getting something with the feeling of fun

[shadow fjord]

and it doesn't really really work like this, if you're gaining points and not losing points that means the shown rank is way behind your mmr. If you were a bronze player then you'd see lost points on losses in elite probably

so the higher your hidden rank the faster you climb, if you're around all star then you shoot past rookie in like 1 or 2 matches

then it settles when you're at your "actual" rank

[sand shard]

are you sure

i know they said something like that in a post

but I'm pretty sure everyone just goes to legend if they play enough games

[shadow fjord]

yes because i started losing points at different spots each season, you can be pretty sure of that all you want lol

most people are gonna cap out at pro this season, like a majority

low allstar feels like rivals gm atm so its probably the "middle"

its where you start to see groupings of wildly different skill levels

[sand shard]

you're the first person I've talked to who said they lose as much as they gain below legend

could be selection bias

[shadow fjord]

most people who play alot of stadium and take it that seriously are the few peopel who would talk about stadium

most people just like... don't pay attention to it

because its a silly gamemode, thats really fun but its not that serious

making it more serious would kill the playerbase i think

[sand shard]

[shadow fjord]

lol i'm honestly 100% sure that if they added a "more real" ranking system to stadium we'd have longer than the 5-20 min timers we've been getting

[fallow socket]

if you ever wanted to play permanent flying freja and rain bullets here you go

enemy freja made me so mad hearing primary fire the entire game and not being able to do anything about it

the build is cheeks tho it does no damage ;P

[sand galleon]

I play freja alot in stadium and what i do basically is use updraft and kill somebody and its pretty op

I'll share my build once I can 💔

[paper snow]

so I think bloodhound is lowkey the best item for counter picks.... if you are getting countered this item lowkey slaps

[plain lantern]

What do yall think of vendetta and her gameplay if she was added to stadium? Her perks lowk are like stadium items

[paper snow]

goated

hope this means we get stadium items as persk

kinda think some powers are just perks but better and honestly at this point OW needs another shake up if we are powercreepin lets be fair to everyone and have fun

[sand galleon]

I feel like one of her stadium powers are gonna be a deflect power kinda like orisa's deflecting javelin spin

[fallow socket]

wuyang vendetta ram is my dream next season

[novel moat]

does all star even mean anything on this mode

[vital tulip]

Hey now

[real vine]

Vendetta as she is already has deceptively stupid burst damage, and I fear a WP build with her could be just as, if not more obscene than prime AP Hazard

She has anywhere from 130-260 burst damage instantly for free every 3 swings

Plus with her massive armor, she can go stupid with lifesteal builds with the armor conversion survivability item

She'd be basically unkillable

[proven knot]

Wonder what they would classify her damage as

For example in the base game, overhead swing crits count as ability damage critical hits

[real vine]

I think they would make her basic sword swings and the overhead part of her leap WP and the actual flung sword and the spin AP

[proven knot]

Could also be a dual scaler like Genji. Like how WP and AP both buff his melee abilities

I think I could see something like that

Or more specifically her first 2 melee hits are just WP

but everything else except ult is wp + ap

I could see her being strong in a vacuum but when you start to look at like team comps or whatever maybe being weaker? Like she does get kind of trolled by Lucio

And to a lesser extent Cass

[latent plaza]

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[green bramble]

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[fallow socket]

how is anyone gonna get past legend 5 with this gain and the queue times

[signal rune]

It was hell for me

[shadow fjord]

i watch shows while i wait on queues, i also played some peglin but also i'm not actually past that grind

[shadow fjord]

junkrat is a funny stadium character, because you can be totally starved of money but still be dangerous enough late game to add to damage and stuff

[dire olive]

Anybody got any reaper builds that they can recommend

[boreal ruin]

I call it the swap build

You have reaper prepicked during draft

Then you silently switch heroes mid timer, nobody sees it coming!

[fallow socket]

reaper builds are mostly personal preference as long as u lean into wp

my fave items are phantasmic flux, weapon jammer, field support, and emergency chip cus they all offer a bit of survivability along with wp

also if ur a gadgets enjoyer jetskates is definitely very good but its still awkward for me

[real vine]

He's mostly carried by Bango! honestly
That power is fucking stupid

Makes WP Junkrat one of the best tank busters in the game

[cursive delta]

For Reaper ^ jetskates are the pick, so clutch. But yea WP usually the way to go balance with some survival. Strangle step and Spirited to slay then depends on how game is goin. Spectral Slugs is pretty much a must. Field support early can be clutch. For other survival depends on how your getting damaged really so hard to recommend. Codebreaker probably round 3 if they go armor, otherwise Aftermarket firing pin and Talon Modification. El-Sa'ka suppressor can be helpful as well but not till later.

[eternal chasm]

How do you counter the right click hazard build?

[vital tulip]

CC him outta block and get codebreaker also bait his dive and counter engage on his team

[compact flare]

Bro what? We still getting this spams? 😭

Will vendetta come to stadium soon? Or it isn't planned?

[mental jetty]

we have no information on the matter

but the s20 trailer is tomorrow so we'll know soon what theyre planning to do for stadium next season

i personally am willing to bet that theyre adding her to stadium

considering her internal development probably coincided with the development for stadium and the fact that she was initially teased within stadium

[vital tulip]

Her kit also looks a lot easier to modify in Stadium than Wuyang's too (similar to freja in that regard). Would make a lot of sense for her to be the mid-season hero drop similar to freja and tracer

[mighty perch]

liar!

[boreal ruin]

no

look at how fast the spikes come out

[mighty perch]

the wiki says it's not affected

[boreal ruin]

unless its been shadow nerfed it is

[mighty perch]

just tested it, doesn't work

[boreal ruin]

Good now.

[normal bolt]

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[plain lantern]

I always knew wuyang will be added to stadium eventually, can’t wait to see his builds. doomfist on the other hand… i have a feeling that his passive (best defense) will make him invincible, though i do think he will be really fun.

[reef lichen]

guess i was sort of right about my stadium predictions

[sand galleon]

If i have to wait that long for echo I'll cry (I main echo)

also I feel like there should be a "double it and give it to the next person" type of gadget/item that'd be cool

Like if you get debuffed you could cleanse it and the nearest enemy gets a worse version of it, say im on fire and I use it so the nearby sigma gets double damage fire 😭 it'd be expensive tho for balance

[acoustic kiln]

I know we got 2 dps last season but

only two characters?

really?

[reef lichen]

That but make it so you give the debuff to a teammate instead and make it 25000 money

[acoustic kiln]

oh Cass is getting a rework

that’s why

[timber hearth]

As a Juno player I'm terrified of the possibility of a flash spam build using the new magnetic grenade and think flasht what about y'all?

[boreal ruin]

gg stadiums over pack it up

doomf*st

[fallow socket]

seems like juno will be able to crit in the base kit now

[stark cloud]

Widow is getting cooked in stadium

Like

Widow would be pretty useless unless they gave her the craziest abilities

[reef lichen]

cant do shit with her that doesnt involve one shotting people

kinda same with hog too

i cant believe im saying this but i would rather sombra in stadium over both widow and hog

[stark cloud]

Like stadium is full dive

Widow is getting cooked

[reef lichen]

good i hate one shot heroes

[sand galleon]

That's so real, idk why they're slowing down the process of adding ALL heroes into stadium, since every hero deserves to be in stadium (except for sombra, sorry)

Its the same thing with mythic skins, we had 2 mythics for season 19 but as far as I know there's only 1 this season, so is it just a one-off thing or what?

[real vine]

It's likely they're still in the process of brainstorming, developing, and testing potential powers and weapons to make sure they aren't too gamebreaking

It's also likely an exec decision by higher ups to prioritize certain heroes over others

[main jungle]

It's Cas and doom fist, the latter isn't getting revealed until mid-season like the junkrat mythic

[spring thicket]

Idk man, if it helps them keep their designs consistent and keeps the game mode relatively approachable and balanced to some degree, I'm all for stadium adding 2 characters per season and requiring reworking one.

[main jungle]

They're probably gonna drop a dps in mid season, if not maybe an extra next season. Still, if this is what it takes to stop us from getting another character like pharah, then I'm all for it

[reef lichen]

That's so fucking stupid I want venture in stadium already

[boreal ruin]

Pharah cannot be that bad

[sand galleon]

Why Pharah? You can literally just kill her with a hitscan like soldier or ashe. Tracer is sm worse

[neon galleon]

Cause if you don’t have a hitscan you’re just fucked against Pharah, at least with Tracer there is still stuff the other characters can grab or use to make her less of a problem.

Anyway as for Doom and Wu, I think their powers look nice, whether Wu focuses on WP, AP, or is a hybrid I think will depend on what his healing gets affected by but Doom is definitely gonna be a hybrid character.

[spring thicket]

Pharah is the easiest stadium character to counter

I think a character like freja is much more offensive if you don't have hitscan

[neon galleon]

There are definitely characters easier to counter than Pharah.

[spring thicket]

I think doom will be toxic but no more toxic than regular doom

[spring thicket]

Who?

Maybe reaper but bad =/= easy to counter

[neon galleon]

Rein can get countered quite honestly, so does Junkrat, hell I main Reaper, I know how easy it is to counter someone that HAS to get in your face to do anything meaningful.

[twilit skiff]

Isn't rein horrible in stadium

[neon galleon]

Hell technically speaking hitscan isn’t even a guaranteed counter for Pharah if she plans on spamming mini missiles at you

[neon galleon]

He was good early on but the devs hit him hard with nerfs to his powers and the characters added to Stadium since have good matchups against him

[spring thicket]

Every tank can get countered but reins playstyle is diverse enough to work

[spring thicket]

He's mid

[spring thicket]

She is like 80% slower when micro missiling

[neon galleon]

Kinda doesn’t matter if she manages to get in your face to do it since for whatever reason she is quieter than Reaper, plus she has a power to let her fire them out on whoever she hits with concussive

Plus her 2 barrage powers give her 40% movement speed while in Barrage so her movement speed with both would depend on if they’re additive or Multiplicative

[neon forge]

does anyone know when echo will be in stadium ?

[livid marsh]

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[compact flare]

I like build hybrid tbh. I just fear because it is hard to balance hybrid character normally

[compact flare]

There is no roadmap for stadium available for us.

[neon forge]

shes my main :(

but i fear she would be op

[main jungle]

Pharah is just lame, I haven't seen a single interesting build on her since she dropped

[spring thicket]

Boop builds are fun

But she isn't silly like other characters

[reef lichen]

bad venture power idea, make a power where each target hit by venture getting out of burrow gives them slightly more ult charge

[boreal ruin]

just make it a perk

also wp venture should have sort of like a splitting shot

as in you shoot and at a certain range it splits into other little bullets

or whatever it shoots

[spring thicket]

Explosive charges for excavation

[native cosmos]

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[acoustic kiln]

you already know ap venture is gonna have something like "gain 1 charge of venture ult when coming out of burrow" or something like that

[real vine]

have Wuyang's powers been revealed yet?

[distant tree]

why are me and my duo getting put in to games with rookie and novice players when we are both all-star supports

[dim ruin]

because the rank resets at the beginning of each season....so they might just be picking up stadium again, but their MMR is in your skill tier

so, take me...a gold player support on ladder that can reach allstar...but I have to toss many games at it...to the point where it takes me 60 wins to hit allstar (my other roles i get allstar around 30-32 wins)

and according to blizzard, roles get put up against skill (aka MMR) rating of the same role on the other team. so even if they are gutter tier player, then they are being paired up with gutter tier on the other team to make it all even, so you can get a highly skilled support with a actual silver ladder player on dps

[signal rune]

Sigma ap build is pretty fun

[unkempt ingot]

ong

[main jungle]

You can see them in the dev video, as well as doom fists

[nova edge]

Why do I get less and less progression for winning

Like not even rank changed

[reef lichen]

ability power and ability lifesteal on venture is gonna be amazing

and put some cooldown reduction there too

[forest coral]

this hero will ruin stadium

[acoustic kiln]

i dont think any hero they could add at this point would be more oppressive than release tracer

[boreal ruin]

i barely even see her atp

the projectile size nerfs and stadium changes lowkey killed her for stadium

[wicked hull]

torb can actually be a demon in stadium omg

[wicked hull]

this hero will make stadium amazing

[reef lichen]

what is a good reaper weapon power build

[signal rune]

Weapon power + lifesteal

I will give you my build later

[reef lichen]

so just get a bunch of healing items and tank damage?

[signal rune]

Try this build: YB9HB

Try to get at least 20 lifesteal and around 50 weapon power

I hit legend last season with this build

[reef lichen]

being able to heal almost 100 damage per shot is insane

[crude grotto]

hello

i miss the old verison of over watch

[errant scarab]

can someone explain how this is different from default

[sand galleon]

Im pretty sure it just has a wider range

Like the default spike guard fires in a triangle in front of hazard and needle storm fires in a semi-circls in front of hazard

[signal rune]

Yes

[boreal ruin]

full 180 frontal scope aimbot

[errant scarab]

ty

[fading cove]

LFS Stadium NA PC 8ET-10ET tonight Monday (3.5ish, Legend/Allstar-ish)

[wet shell]

Why are only half of the heroes in stadium?

[boreal ruin]

because only half the heros have powers and perks made for it

[wet shell]

Oh so they released it before it was finished?

[boreal ruin]

no?

it has an entire separate team behind it

[boreal ruin]

WP queen is another kind of beast

Respectfully, AP is giga overrated

[real vine]

I like to run a WP-AP hybrid

[fallow socket]

wp ap is definitely the way to go

things like jetskates, phantasmic, superflexor, hardlight r op

[harsh pulsar]

alright im elite five on all 3 roles thats enough stadium for a month

[wet shell]

Is there a place where i can find the best builds for each hero?

[fallow socket]

stadiumbuilds can help too

[wet shell]

Does stadium give more battlepass xp than unranked ?

[signal rune]

I think so

[signal rune]

Good job

[harsh pulsar]

i think it also gives more drives

[latent lion]

womp womp puddle stomp is completely unusable while you have Wuxing Waveriders, not only does it cancel torrent when so so much as touch the ground, it doesnt even proc puddle stomp

i MIGHT be tweaking

BUT

im 60% sure that the steam line power placedls a 2nd restorative stream on your main target so long as they're in los

IDK WHEN THEY FIXED IT BUT THEY FIXED IT XASS AUTO AIM DOESNT IGNORE HEADSHOTS NOW

[marsh mortar]

what do you mean

[wild harbor]

Ive been at school all day, can someone let me know how wuyang and doom work on stadium? Im getting on as soon as possible

[arctic flower]

any doomfist stadium builds?

[fallow socket]

0 wuyang ult powers

[acoustic kiln]

from the games ive experienced so far

doomfist is good, wuyang is decent, cass is good

genji is great

moira is still amazing as long as the enemy team isnt on d.va

and mercy still does too much healing

and jq will not die if she has a kiriko on her team

[plain lantern]

Why are all of wuyang’s powers and items are “while rushing torrent is active”?

[boreal ruin]

because they were clearly in a rush to add him

[vapid stone]

yipee lucio still left to rot in a ditch

please just change reverb back you cannot make me play fucking weapon power lucio

[timber hearth]

How's cass doing with the rework?

[fallow socket]

start using mixtape

this still lets u crit allies which is nice

they wont accelerate your hyper ring cd tho only enemies

[verbal lake]

Chat how is Wuyang in stadium

[reef lichen]

flying wuyang goes hard

[fallow socket]

one shotting people always does well

can also dash basically whenever cus of the third power

[verbal lake]

I do wanna try that

[verbal lake]

Hmm interesting

What is the bar on the lower end

[fallow socket]

i saw multiple people play ap wuyang and it looks pretty bad, especially the jumping heal

waves are probably okay

[fallow socket]

crit dmg

which doesnt apply to wuyang LOL

but it gave 20 wp so i bought it

[verbal lake]

I was not a fan of that power when I first saw it

Sounds too awkward to use

[verbal lake]

Would love a build that isn’t just WP

But I guess that’s his main niche

[fallow socket]

it heals yourself which is pretty good but definitely not something u try and make a build out of

[sudden bridge]

mcree headshot bugged?

[fallow socket]

in what way

[sudden bridge]

enemey team said reduces head size instead of increase

[fallow socket]

oh dang lol

havent tried that power yet

[sudden bridge]

holy nutsack is mcree busted though

[latent lion]

OK, ok

so

legend has it back when stadium first launched, for the first few season both cass(fixed) and ana(?) couldn't crit while they had their auto aim active

they'd both automatically body shot, period

they really did put the auto in auto aim

cause there was no manual aim to speak of

more on this actually, Ana actually used to prioritize her auto aim target as opposed to whatever she was actually aiming at im pretty sure

which means no, you couldn't shoot that genji that was about to dive you, you were healing your rien

[lime sparrow]

is doomfists burn punch perk bad?

[latent lion]

its so goated

IF

if you don't punch right past the enemy team

if you go right through into that backline you might be cooked

[lime sparrow]

when im trying to dive a perk that makes angling that much harder doesn't seem worth it unless i one shot

like this is probably a dive only perk, trying to brawl with this is a very bad idea

[latent lion]

oh yeah

big time

WAIT

I forgot

it takes them with you

it doesnt make you go through them

I was so confused when I kept dragging enemies because it doesnt tell you it does that

but like

it basically turns your punch into Angela's kidnap(the Angela from rivals, the one that pokes you on her spear and flies away with you)

[fallow socket]

LOL

yeah the punches are gross gonna force ppl to position better

[latent lion]

I made 5 people learn the hard way

I ended 32 and 10(ish) game 1

the enemy doom got me a few times but he never stood a chance against jetfuel whatever its called

[nocturne sandal]

I'm pretty sure Wuyang's faster bullet perk in stadium is bugged cuz tell me why his Empowered shots are just as fast as Genji's shurikens now

[fallow socket]

LOL

if u let go they become fast

thats crazy

[reef lichen]

max ability power vendetta with nano one shotting a tank with as much hp as they could possibly have with her ult

[zealous escarp]

Sniper fist is real

[inner ember]

Is it normal that I can't have enough points for Wuyang?

Mercy that on average has the same healing as I am while I deal damage can have up to 8-10k difference when I don't even die

or is it just a skill issue?

[spring thicket]

Yeah he seems to get very little cash

[shadow fjord]

yeah he doesn't get alot of cash but you don't super need it, his damage is enough and you don't need alot of items to get off the ground... alot of his power comes from the powers themselves if you ask me

i've been building him ap and starting with the power that reduces the cooldown on your wave if you use active heal on people... but i'm sure weapon power builds are also good on him

since his heal scales with both

[spring thicket]

His uh jump ability heal power is his best from what I can tell

[shadow fjord]

honestly the range is so short that it just gets you killed

at least i found that

[reef lichen]

why is ability power doomfist so bad

[boreal ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/bsa-bsa-discord-beatles-solo-albums-question-mark-emoji-bsa-question-mark-gif-11224201561512498479

[sudden bridge]

Doom has a lot of things he’s weak against and items like you toss a super powered orisa in front of him and he’s but useless

And when he’s good your team is likely bad so you coulda probably had the same game only easier with Winston

[velvet ginkgo]

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[latent lion]

honestly

you just gotta have aura to play doom in stadium

im not making this up either, you gotta make the enemies THINK you're the big scary threat, but you're mostly just there to displace them and clean up kills from my experience

I say this and immediately get queued up against origami </3

orisa

[boreal ruin]

orisa doesnt really get in the way THAT much, your burning punch legit just goes through her during fortify, doesnt stop you

[toxic nest]

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[acoustic kiln]

i swear if you dont have an ana on your team you just auto lose to hazard

but stadium ana isnt fun to play

[fallow socket]

enemy doom in my stadium match gg

[forest coral]

if i got put against zbra in stadium i would give it all up bro

[fallow socket]

went 2-4 wasnt that bad i guess

[acoustic kiln]

yeeeowch

[fallow socket]

this is what he played

a pretty simple build actually lol he's just letting his own gameplay shine

[void pawn]

nerf torb

[fallow socket]

hella dooms queuing qp but none in comp lol

[boreal ruin]

ap genji is still worthless dogshit

[reef lichen]

whenever i try to hit someone with a super powerful punch ive been charging for 10 seconds straight i somehow miss everyone and get all my health taken away from me

[solid dragon]

why doom was added in arena at all? to stop people from ranking up?

[hallow fog]

Doomfist is like crazy broken in stadium I love it

[solid dragon]

idk, lost 9/10 games

[reef lichen]

so was doomfist made this bad on purpose or was this a mistake

it feels like i use all of his abilities on the same person with ability power and it doesnt do anything

[proven condor]

what does quickcharger do for doomfist i dont get it

[compact flare]

Didn't play stadium yet. How is doom doing? I heard that reflective coating counter him for basically the whole game

[compact flare]

Ohhh I guess this answer my previous question

Damn... A pity

Mods are quick here

[hasty frigate]

fanks

[signal rune]

Hey do I need to reach a certain level to get image perms

[hasty frigate]

image perms come with the regular role, it’s granted automatically for activity in chat and good behaviour. if you regularly use our vcs though then reach out to @cerulean widget and we can take a look and see if you’re eligible via vc stats

[signal rune]

Alright I’ll try to hop into vc sometimes🫡

I have some good builds, can’t wait to share them

[woven geyser]

nope

[hallow fog]

If rather play marvel rivals than touch stadium Arron Keller stop working on this awful mode

[woven geyser]

dogshit doom players praying to israel before every stadium match

[timber hearth]

Is it just me or is Cassidy's magnetic grenade super finicky, sometimes it's tracking is amazing and can do 180s to hit someone and other times it tracks for a second and then just flys off in a random direction?

[compact flare]

I guess I haven't played against high ranks. I'm low/mid rank myself

[woven geyser]

it’s genuinely useless speaking as a legendary player

you pretty much need kiriko, brig, and orisa for a CHANCE

[hallow fog]

If you pick projectile dps in stadium and they have hitscan you lose

[lost torrent]

Back all star, time to grind for legend again

[sand galleon]

off topic but what server is ur tag from? if u dont mind me asking

Also does anyone know if ranked stadium contributes to competitive points/challenges?

[acoustic kiln]

wuyang lowkey a throw pick ngl

[main jungle]

Skill issue.

[fallow socket]

yes

and it counts for more

[fallow socket]

just build 100 wp and wuyang is good, oneshot ppl and chunk half the tank hp. but trying any other of his dumb builds is basically throwing

[hallow fog]

it's a given fact that hitscan is better than projectile

[main jungle]

Yeah, but you want both to have a well rounded team

[acoustic kiln]

unless your hitscan cant aim like my soldier in my last game.

[main jungle]

They serve different purposes

[acoustic kiln]

i had damn near 50k more money than he had

[main jungle]

If you're playing a junkrat or Genji in the same positions as a sojourn, it's going to suck

[signal rune]

Hey guys here’s my doomfist build code: TWZEK It’s an overhealth focused build that makes you super hard to kill and basically unstoppable

[buoyant hare]

Guys can u help me solve this, every time i try join game or training spot on screen appeared like "downloading update", what should i do?

[compact flare]

That is weird. Do you launch the game by using the battle.net? I know that the launcher has an option to check and repair the game if there is anything wrong with it

[buoyant hare]

yeah, I restored my network settings and game settings, I deleted the game and downloaded it again, but it didn't help.((

[compact flare]

There is a post on Reddit about it, but it seems like you tried the solutions they proposed: https://share.google/15Hsh3TypAw04HYPZ
Maybe try downloading by the steam?
Are you able to check trying to open the game while connected in another network? Switching wifi or something similar?

[fresh saddle]

I was the best player on my team and they CHOKED a 2-0 lead away. They REALLY let me down.

[vapid stone]

My main complaint with this mode is so many of the DPS' ap builds just feel so ass in comparison to

build weapon power and left click the targets

[spring thicket]

Define projectile dps

[spring thicket]

The bounce build is pretty good if played correctly

[spring thicket]

Think about what you could've possibly done better (position, Comms, mindset, build) and try to implement that improvement next game

[hallow fog]

In simple terms, dps that have delay before doing dmg with their primary

after pressing shoot

[spring thicket]

So freja is bad into sojourn?

Idk I think you might need to just say junkrat and pharah

Torb kinda

[hallow fog]

Never said that, I said historically hitscan was always easier to get value compared to projectile

[spring thicket]

Kinda, but with characters like dps zen or Kiriko, Freja, torb if you build him perfectly, and mei, I think it's similarly easy

I mean for freja one singular projectile the size of a Winston bubble can one shot any squishy on round 3

[fresh saddle]

Yeah. I communicated and they still charged in. The staggering costed us. Told them to group up and retreat as well.

[spring thicket]

That's what you did well and what they did wrong, you're delusional if you truly think you played perfectly

[fresh saddle]

True I do have work to do. Some losses, I play poorly. Most of the time I play decently or really well, I have teams that let me down. When I team up with people on here, it seems my win rate goes up a lot.

[spring thicket]

Yeah, it could totally be both your teams fault and an opportunity to improve

It's all about keeping a good mindset

[fresh saddle]

You're not wrong.

[reef axle]

anyone know a better site for finding builds than stadiumbuilds? the site runs horribly now after a few updates

[spring thicket]

Interesting, I can tell the creator if you'd like I haven't heard anything about this

Can you give me any more information?

[reef axle]

just overall the website is extremely laggy switching between pages

[spring thicket]

What are you running it on and is the WiFi a factor in it?

[reef axle]

it's just as simple as it being a very resource intensive website for one that's just pages of pictures and text lol

not connection lag just performance lag

[reef lichen]

movement zen meta

[gleaming glen]

Hey anyone got a good pharah build?

[boreal ruin]

Id suggest you try a jet dash concussive blast missiles build

Take Fuel Conversion for way better horizontal mobility (which imo is better than her vertical in stadium) and Launch Vector, Extra Charge and Recursion battery

The upsides it has compared to the mini barrage is more agency and better aoe

Also lets you get a lot of better positions for more boops even if you dont necessarily get the missiles off on them

[halcyon void]

NR2W78. stadium replay code, for anyone that wants to play brig in stadium. This build has incredibly survivability and self sustain. Dm me if you want to use this build.

[gleaming glen]

Hey guys, when I play stadium I get absolutely destroyed by everyone, but im plat on tank. I cannot figure out whats the problem so does anyone have any tips or ideas what might be the issue?

[boreal ruin]

Your build

Most likely

[boreal ruin]

Which characters do you play?

[gleaming glen]

I grabbed one from the internet

[gleaming glen]

I played doom, orisa and winston

Oh and pharah once

[ancient ibex]

Pls delete doom from stadium its not fun anymore

[boreal ruin]

Doom isnt that crazy

He's not terrible but his powers are dogshit

[keen zenith]

Doom in one of my games went 73 - 0

[boreal ruin]

A cass would've been enough

And if you had one he was dogshit

[keen zenith]

its stadium bro

u cant jus swap

[boreal ruin]

???

[keen zenith]

we had a reaper and another doom, i outdmged them both as genji

[boreal ruin]

Im just saying if you had a cass he wouldnt be much of an issue at all

Hell even reaper's ok, doom cannot burst him down

[keen zenith]

u could make "if" abt anything in your favor

doesnt change what was

[boreal ruin]

Yeah and you're addressing my take about doom with a singular match with bad teammates

[granite zodiac]

Looking for a team on PC ;-; I'm a support main if that helps

[tough robin]

#lfg-pc-na-stadium

Maybe post one there too?

[opal agate]

Okay so I have a question about the credit gain for Wuyang

I had double the stats of another player but gained less points than them and I am wondering what the stat weights are

[acoustic kiln]

play hazard, ap build, win(most of the time)

[acoustic kiln]

assists and kills are worth more than raw damage/healing

wuyang's passive healing doesn't give assists for some reason

so you're usually left in abject poverty

[opal agate]

But how much more? Like is the value of his healing in credits worth less compared to other supports?

Because it feels so bad to do somewhat well and be given crumbs

[gleaming glen]

Which heros are meta rn in stadium?

[keen zenith]

Genji.

[merry stirrup]

Anyone else notice brig bugging out and losing her shield entirely mid game? I mean like VANISHED. Until atleast next round. No UI nothing

[glossy cobalt]

Is there any way I can play ap cass build at elite or nah, keep going against sweaty wp soldiers and frejas I can’t do sh against

[keen zenith]

Play Genji

[compact flare]

Shield less brig would be an awesome power tbf.
But I haven't seen anything like that

[merry stirrup]

Trust, it is NOT cool especially when the build is fully shield heavy 😭😭

[glossy cobalt]

I suck at genji

[keen zenith]

practice

then carry

[glossy cobalt]

Tuff

[keen zenith]

ong

[runic ginkgo]

who would be the best counter for Sigma right now? for both roles, dps and heals.

[compact flare]

Sojourn can farm energy from his shield, just need some shield break items ig

[livid marsh]

As a hazard player, i can 100% vouch for this!

[neon wind]

can someone paypal me 3 dollars for food please life sucks im sorry 💔🫩

[fallow socket]

salvaged slugs on any hero u plan to build wp

moira chain grasp can also be used, you can target the shield and it will chain to him as well as another enemy

aerial distresser as well ofc if he is playing flying sig

[runic ginkgo]

Okay thanks for the tips

[reef lichen]

did they nerf doomfist to the ground or something

[tough robin]

N o

[reef lichen]

why does his punch hitbox feel so tiny

[tough robin]

In stadium specifically? I’m not sure

[reef lichen]

it feels like when i get a perfect punch on someone it just doesnt do anything

[tough robin]

But doom can still dominate in masters and gm currently and whenever I see him in stadium he does fairly well

[tough robin]

Hmmm I’ll have to look into it see if something changed cuz I don’t remember anything too crazy

[reef lichen]

i think doomfist just sucks ass in stadium

also i just open chat and see someone talking about rage baiting me

is doomfist just a toxicity magnet or something

[boreal ruin]

Only thing he has that's bad is his powers, they're old cass level of bad

He's not dominating for sure but he's not bad

[reef lichen]

you cant do shit with ability power or weapon power with him

[boreal ruin]

His fire punch works like angela's kidnap in rivals

It DRAGS who you hit along with you until you hit range limit or a wall

Except fortified orisa, you still go right through her tho

[reef lichen]

it feels like whatever i do with him i always end up losing in the end

is there just something im missing

[opal agate]

How do you play him? How well do you cycle his cool downs to always have a way out but always a way to aggress?

[reef lichen]

i go in and punch people until they die

like the pro doomfist players

[opal agate]

But you gotta get out or you'll die

[opal agate]

Doom isn't all about kills, he's also about being a nuisance to the enemy. The enemy team aren't pro pleasers, they aren't coordinated. Take advantage of it and force them to overly waste resources just for you to leave and come back stronger

I feel like Doom is also the type of character where you are doing everything or nothing

[lucid marsh]

To unlock stadium competitive i have to win 10 unranked stadiums?

[opal agate]

10 Quick Play Stadiums yeah

It was made to prevent players from entering a competitive gamemode without much experience at all

[lucid marsh]

ty

[crystal summit]

I wanna dip my toe into tank...any advice on generally good or bad items?

I'm thinking Hazard to start

[opal agate]

AP Hazard

[fallow socket]

Hazard is very easy with ap. Hit me again and needle storm powers, and buy ap items that also give life steal you dont want to go full AP and neglect lifesteal. reflex coating/cushioned pad/kitsune charm can help against ana and other debuffs.

also imo its better to not run needle storm and take off the wall for more damage if u can position ur jumps better but needle storm makes it braindead

[opal agate]

Gadgets feel so nice

[crystal summit]

Thanks for this! I'll mess around with my build with all this in mind

Also, is this the most active place to discuss builds? I love just talking about different ones. Reddit seems pretty scarce

[opal agate]

Yeah we can yap about it

[glossy shuttle]

any doom connoisseurs have a favorite build or items/powers? i've just been stacking weapon power + uppercut + airborn damage to just instakill someone every 12 seconds, but it feels weak once i start getting melted in the later rounds, and if it doesnt work I have no idea what to do

[crystal summit]

Well I won 1 round and lost 3, but I'll keep at it

[trail lichen]

Yessir

[glossy cobalt]

How do I deal with a pocketed 76 as Brig or do I just cry

Both my dps are going neg, I’m supporting them best I can

[glass yew]

What is the best wu yang build

[errant scarab]

I could not put this more perfectly
https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchStadium/comments/1pk68wi/doomfist_is_the_worst_tank_in_stadium_by_a/

send this to every person that says you're feeding with doom on stadium

[obtuse thunder]

It's not that he's bad, I don't like having one on my team. If everyone is a dive character, the teams fail to form a frontline, and there's nowhere to dive to. It's like raisins in a cake: you are supposed one or two in any square inch of it, not 10. At the same time everyone wants that raisin, because they're so tasty. But you can't make cake of just raisins.

[solid dragon]

we just had a server glitch and had 8 games
score 5-3
what in the actual....

[lucid marsh]

Getting 10wins in classic is hell. holy. Are ppl this bad

[opal agate]

There's a reason why comp is locked behind that condition

[livid marsh]

Stadium-discussion

[dark scarab]

how do i survival item

[vapid stone]

i really want ap tracer to work dude

but like i dunno i feel like im just bad like i get on tracer and just cant kill mercy i run weapon power the first 2 rounds of quickplay

she just darts away from me with her half healthbar of armor and her soldier duo erases me from overwatch in the blink of an eye

[zealous escarp]

I found a bug, If you use the power Overpower and the item Quickcharger you can save the progress of the extra bar as you would expect. If you try to use Power Matrix it will clear that extra bar progress though.

[livid marsh]

How did that dude react to me

[brittle heart]

Hi all

[livid marsh]

Stadium arcadium

[spring thicket]

Horribly mid album, sadly

[opal agate]

Build into the stats that oppose who they're playing. Weapon power tracer would hate armor due to it's innate damage reduction for example^^

[glossy shuttle]

what r u supposed to do as doomfist into a sigma + torbjorn

i am at all star 3 rn and i think ive never beat a sigma comp

[spring thicket]

Build wp

[dark scarab]

how do this checking?

[opal agate]

You can press tab then look at their builds and character

[silent yoke]

L take ill stay throwing on doom cry

[dark scarab]

Zooweemama! This is the great news!

[golden rivet]

hey i know generaly how to play most supports in stadium but how do our play brig like what do you build cuz like people always have so much survivability as her

[shadow fjord]

i assume they build tank tbh, but maybe i'm way off

been away since season start due to life... are people playing attack or ability wuyang mostly?

since he scales well with both i wasn't sure which one worked better

[pale bobcat]

yall how does stuff like tracer's ammo power work??? i actually just dont understand because it seems like no matter what i do it always fires only 4 bullets... i cant for the life of me figure out what it means when things say "10 (weapon stat)"

is it just 10 plus the percentage stat that you have?

[shadow fjord]

10% weapon lifesteal is just that from my understanding, you get back 10% of the damage you did... weapon lifesteal is one of the simpler ones tho since i don't think its modified as often as things like ability power and stuff.

[shadow fjord]

do you mean quantum clip or something else

[pale bobcat]

yeah but like

idk im making up one

"when you hit a melee do an extra 20 (ability power symbol)"

what does that mean how does that sca\le

[shadow fjord]

to my understanding different attacks and effects scale differently, but they all scale with the symbol that is next to them if at all

so like... moira orbs scale differently off of ability power than anas grenade would

[pale bobcat]

oh

[shadow fjord]

and stuff from items and powers that have scaling will also probably be all over the place

lol its for balancing reasons mostly, if everything scaled the same it might cause some nightmares

you can usually test things out in quick play to see if its worth running the build at all

[pale bobcat]

yeah its just frustrating... wish it was consistent

[vital tulip]

so if an effect has a wp or ap symbol next it will scale with that stat and each stat gives a % boost to that effect's damage according to how much of that stat you have

for ex something that says 10 & wp will do 10 x (your current wp value) let's say it's round 1 and you only have a Compensator so 5% it would be 10 x 1.05

same logic applies to ap effects like Mark of the Kitsune with ap it'll be 25 x (your current ap value) let's say it's round 2 and you have a Mark of the Kitsune (10% ap) and a Power Playbook (10% ap) it would be 25 x 1.20 = 30 dmg when it procs

Tracer's ammo power (Foresight) also functions under the same logic as these two but the stat that it's benefitting from is your current bonus ammo stat. Let's say you have only the Ammo Reserves (20% ammo) item. Foresight would have your next 4 x 1.2 = 4.8 bullets autolock. This gets rounded up to 5 bullets. The highest this value can get is 120% using both Foresight and Quantum Clip (25%) along with Pulse Detectors (10%) Ammo Reserves (20%) Stockpile (25%) & Commander's Clip (40%) for 4 x 2.2 = 8.8 rounded up to 9 bullets

[vital tulip]

this specifically is gonna be your melee dmg 40 x (your current wp%) + 10 x (your current ap%)

[vital tulip]

They both scale with ap the same as each other but their base values are different

[shadow fjord]

which leads to different growth right? because of it being a multiplier, so i guess big number=better scaling

honestly stadium is such a silly mode and you can rank up without understanding i just aimed for making numbers go up

[vital tulip]

bigger number better yes but the scaling is still the same value between the two

the % modifiers to those abilites or for ex all standard weapons is the same across the cast. Soldier's bullets do 19 each and Tracer's do 6 but both will still receive a 5% boost from a Compensator

Like they'll still grow at the same rate because the growth modifier doesn't change between effects

The only case of any item scaling that's not the same across all heroes is specifically Tracer's passive that makes her get 35% less hp from health, armor, shields & cash

[acoustic kiln]

my god i love mercy in stadium

double damage boost + a ton of healing

espsecially if you have another support that can output high healing or dmg

i could basically hold dmg boost on my tank and one of my dps for half of the game

i still miss that one ult power she had in season 1 and 2

i used to grab it in round 3 or 5 and just roll games easily

[hasty mortar]

The ult on res or the everyone gets beams

[fallow socket]

everyone gets beams

crepuscular circle you will never be forgotten

[acoustic kiln]

going max weapon power and just obliterating the other team was so much fun

but I get why they removed it

it’s just that the replacement isn’t anywhere near as fun

[pale bobcat]

OKAY THANKS

[livid marsh]

Stadium-discussion

[cursive flume]

How do you deal with Orisa as rein?

[livid marsh]

This is stadium-discussion channel

[fresh saddle]

No matter your skill, always find a team rather than go with randos. Also surround yourself with teammates that know how to close out games.

[spring thicket]

Yes well both orisa and rein are stadium characters

[spring thicket]

It's stadium it isn't that deep lol

[spring thicket]

There isn't a one sized fits all solution but in general, force spear out and then go for backline or build shield

[livid marsh]

Dw baka i was jus sayin the name of the channel. I didntread what yall was saying hahahahahahahhahahahahahha

[spring thicket]

Oh

[livid marsh]

Dw nathan, we have all been there before. 😼

Sigma sugma joe

[fallow socket]

u cant ego she’ll bully you so be maneuverable around her cds or go for other targets. Mobility is so key here with jetskates and/or gryphon glider. and do not take smashing cause she can easily use any cd and kill ur stacks

If u play corners and she tries to be the shining wall for her team on point just gives ur team chances to shoot her or other ppl on her team

[cursive flume]

Hmm yeah my attempts at playing smash hammer did go rather poorly

What about taking shield amplifier and letting my team gun her down?

[fallow socket]

if you coordinated that sure but she can use salvaged slugs or anyone on her team can and just shut that down immediately

I think the shield auto deploy on charge is a good one

[dusky trout]

is doomfist block party power gone for you guys/

[glossy shuttle]

ik there was a bug related to it where you could keep it infinitely they may be patching it

slightly related, does anyone know some good anti-sigma items for doomfist to use?

i struggle super hard with doom against sigma, especially in the later rounds

[dusky trout]

i was just playing an hour ago and it was gone

makes sense

didnt really feel a difference

[bronze wind]

anyone tryna play stadium rank?

[hoary wren]

I absolutely hate the Sigma nerfs in this latest hotfix 😭

Why did they nerf zero gravity that hard!? The entire point of zero gravity is to let you fly, now he barely can at all

[terse summit]

does wuyang right click heal scale with WP or AP? The stat info shows restorative stream on both WP and AP

Is the active one WP and the passive one AP?

[hoary wren]

It's actually exactly that yes

[terse summit]

gotcha gotcha

so if i wanted to use the power that reduces the torrent cooldown with active heal, i should be getting WP to make the active heal do more

[hoary wren]

Indeed 😌

[terse summit]

tough call tho bc what if i wanna use the jumping heal power, then i'd want AP

[fallow socket]

Doesnt that power reduce wave cd?

Its ball hits that reduce the dash cd

[terse summit]

there's one for both

yes

[fallow socket]

Oh

[terse summit]

there's also one for every second that right click is active reduce the wave cd

im doing a dash build where it aoe heals when you land and then for every primary fire reduce the cooldown

every 50 healing with right click you extend the dash too

[errant scarab]

i could be all star by now if i didnt keep playing doomfist

[cursive flume]

how does stadium MMR work anyway

Like im at the bottomest of bottom bronzes but the people I play against definitely arent

[spring thicket]

It doesn't

[cursive flume]

😢

[snow ivy]

🤣🤣

[bronze wind]

anyone tryna run stadium rank?

[snow ivy]

You should prolly look in LFG

[crystal ember]

Check dm @hasty sierra

[boreal ruin]

Wuyang is so uninspiring in stadium

Its like eating stale bread

[tired verge]

😭😭

[bronze wind]

just saw this, thanks

[soft osprey]

does doom make less money now? i cant make anything even thought it got buffed

[fallow socket]

doom is just broke

buffing nothing still nothing

[soft osprey]

no like genuinely i’m getting like 6k after patch and before patch i would get atleast 13k

per round

[shell kite]

Talons operations have been getting busted lately so yes, Doom makes less money and he was forced to go work at Applebee's.

[zealous escarp]

Melee torb is so comical lmao

[fallow socket]

perfect cash amount so satisfying

[knotty apex]

Hi, just wondering how does stadium actually work with the shop perks thing because it's all new to me because I haven't played since season 6 and ye if anyone can help me would be appreciated

[exotic jolt]

What hero do you play?

[knotty apex]

Sojourn or soldier 76 but can also run Lucio

[exotic jolt]

If you go into training for stadium mode you can check out the perks they have and try different combinations

[knotty apex]

Okay

Thanks

[compact maple]

If it's overwhelming, pick a preset build that suits your existing playstyle so you can get used to Stadium without scrambling between rounds. Later you can make a build yourself or copy a user's via code. Much later you can try out Gadgets.

[nimble sluice]

6-7

[knotty apex]

Ok ok

[long spire]

does siphon gloves work on brig? and the doomed gauntlet? i think thats what it's called

[vital tulip]

Gloomgauntlet? Yes siphon no

[slow plume]

why is reaper so unplayable after pro rank

[fallow socket]

play with jetskates and silent as the grave

surprise is the only way to make him viable

[long spire]

that's so real

I just find he's prolly the worst DPS in stadium imo

[long spire]

preciate it

[twilit ore]

think of it as building skill tree of sorts, like adding extra ammo or increase damage

[boreal ruin]

One of the best vanadium abusers in the game ngl

[knotty apex]

Okok

[lethal bay]

Does Ana’s nano nade work with Falconer?

[fallow socket]

yes but with 25% reduced effects

it gives you 6% ult

and 7 or so atk spd

[opal agate]

Haaaiiii!! ;3

[sage gust]

Hi

[dapper yew]

Anyone know how to make Genji work he seems to do nothing it could just be a skill issue tho

[vital plank]

is sigma good in stadium and if he is, what stuff should i run for him?

[signal rune]

Melee + lifesteal build is really good

[signal rune]

I'll give you my build when i hop on

[eternal dust]

who wanna run 5 stack comp i got 4 just need an person who main healer

[slow plume]

atk speed

[vital plank]

what powers do i run

attack speed isnt everything

[slow plume]

make it everything

[vital plank]

i’ll equip those barrier powers

whatever

[austere umbra]

anyone have good ashe build pls dm me :>>

[latent lion]

I have a thwory

a theroy

I wonderful theory

does the +15 weapon healing apply to the briggette power that makes her weapon heal in a radius

hold on

I need to be more specific

the volskyia ordinance or whatever its called

+15 weapon healing when they're critical or something

amari's antidote

that one

and the mace power that makes the first hit that connects lifestyle for allies within 10 meters

or 15

idk

idk anymore they change things so fast man

[fallow socket]

you can always test it

[fresh saddle]

The stadium announce3r REALLY NEEDS to say, "Some players REALLY would benefit being on better teams because the team they are on are VERY BAD!!!?

[signal ibex]

stadium-discussion-serious

[lost ridge]

Yo whays the mercy power that heals and damage amps the whole team while ur in valk? In stadium ofc

[vital tulip]

I'm pretty sure Amari's Antidote doesn't impact lifesteal. But it might affect Righteous Cleave as that specifically makes your next Rocket Flail hit "...heals allies within 10m for 125% of the damage dealt.", and that may be counted as Weapon Healing.
I know it doesn't change Inspire, Repair pack, or Rally healing as those are all considered Ability Healing
I can test it in practice range when I get home later tonight.

[fresh saddle]

Can this game GIVE US SOME GOOD TEAMS FOR ONCE??!!!!

[fallow socket]

it was removed a while ago

[viscid hound]

Can someone PayPal me 3 dollars for food please my life sucks im sorry 💔🫩

[cursive delta]

that might actually make wp more viable for her, but Righteous Cleave still pairs best w/ Skoldkastning and ap. Although i rarely see others run that tbh. Decent burst heals and you get it after you whip shot as well so can juggle. Anyway i dont think it would work in that scenario but i dont see why it wouldn't regularly or for wp.

[vital tulip]

so it's a bit difficult to test solo in practice range but I'm pretty sure Righteous Cleave does not benefit from Amari's Antidote

[fresh saddle]

2nd 2-0 choke in 2 days.

[sudden bridge]

it does not

[acoustic kiln]

they need to make powers like that effected by that kinda stuff

like i dont think the item that gives you 15% extra ult charge on ability healing works on whambulance

[boreal lily]

I joined a overwatch discord just to share this thought. I think stadium 3v3 or 4v4 would be much better then the current. I feel with all the abilities it quickly becomes chaos and with less people it would push for more strategy and your choices would be more important and gameplay effecting

map sizes are already small so having lower player count wouldnt lead to less action just less chaos

[runic ginkgo]

the blizzard forum is a good place to post that

[fallow socket]

3v3 would be cute

have its own charm

but matchups would be hellish lol

[errant scarab]

why did they nerf or remove lucio and mercy's dps builds. they said nah the only way you're supposed to play these characters is to healbot and run away

[fallow socket]

prime boop heal and crepuscular circle were way too good, restricted those characters so much

they werent just dps builds it was literally the best way to get the most healing while also doing decent damage

[errant scarab]

im not familiar with names let me find them

for lucios i mean how these have been changed and nerfed to the point they're basically unuseable if you want to win

i think some of his items were also nerfed

mixtape was also being used but now people only run support lucio instead of offensive. all while releasing more heroes with unga bunga offensive scaling where he just has to be the boring aoe heal

[fallow socket]

because they want you to use his gun

boop build WAS the boring aoe heal

it had to be toned down

[vital plank]

hi guys i wanna play aggressive as reinhardt is there any builds for that

i wanna focus on mobility, attack power, and ult

[fallow socket]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/684e67e3-ea9b-4c4c-87da-1c77f4c6e9e3 this one i found seems pretty good but is more focused on ability power rather than weapon power

the important takeaway from what i can see is to focus on dash boots or jet skates and defensive items before stacking damage stats

if u want to be more weapon oriented u could take things like smashing and plan z but imo smashing is rlly bad these days. Swinging constantly leaves u so vulnerable

[sterile bridge]

Creep

Leave me alone i have a taser

[ebon cedar]

😂

[signal rune]

😭

[agile gull]

why cant i access stadium comp is it the same as regular comp do i have to win games orsomething

[hasty frigate]

yes

you need to play stadium qp first i believe

it used to let you comp right away but people complained so they changed it to be similar to qp and normal comp

[signal rune]

Yes

[nocturne sandal]

so many npcs queing for support in stadium
and dont hit me with the "a snowflake doesn't think its an avalanche" these people had the choice of not queing for support when it was long and they still do it anyway because their troglodyte brains only know how to play mercy or moira

[covert path]

Yo mercy stadium is fun tho

[solar haven]

most ashe i encounter in stadium have a game sense of a goldfish

they barely use their scope 😭

[sterile fractal]

Just faced against a good hazard in stadium and oh my how how does he crank out so much damage. I leave my team unattended for a few seconds to attack the backline and hazard got 3k damage in like 2 ability cycles