stadium-discussion

[coarse arch]

right now everything feels problamatic if you are not playing shield

taking notes

[wet jackal]

Bring hazard to stadium immediately

[drifting bridge]

dropped a 205k healing game on moira

[fallow socket]

did u win too

[drifting bridge]

3-4 🥲

[fallow socket]

rip

idk i never have success with full heal moira either even tho she pumps out a ton of it

[drifting bridge]

I wasn't even heal botting aswell

Moira's spray and orb perks have so much synergy

you can stack lots of WP and AP and be invunerable

and you don't gotta worry about biotic capacity bcus of ur WP on enemies or run the perk that grants a full stock on fade

[hollow hollow]

Does attack speed make mercy heal faster?

[acoustic kiln]

yes

[gentle veldt]

Hi guys does Stadium have no limits now

Like can two people of the same team claim the same character

[humble steppe]

do yall feel like theyve made stadium progress slower? i feel like i get less progress in elite than in all star last season

[humble steppe]

its a bug

[gentle veldt]

Oh alright !

[sudden bridge]

Step 1 pick phara

Step 2 pick mercy

Step 3 pick mercy

[narrow heron]

Stupid bug made me pick Freya after picking case

[neon galleon]

Did you pick Cass before the timer for picking someone started or after it started?

[narrow heron]

before

[neon galleon]

Then it’s not a bug, it makes whoever picked someone before the timer starts have to pick again since it wouldn’t be fair if someone got locked out of a character simply for taking longer to load in

[narrow heron]

We already had a freja

[neon galleon]

So it made you pick Freya…even though your other dps was Freya? So you had 2 Freya on your team?

Cause right now it sounds more like you’re complaining about an intended feature and an actual bug at the same time

[paper mantle]

regardless, the whole draft system is cooked, full of bugs and really unintuitive

also Pharah's 50% lifesteal on minirockets is broken

[sudden bridge]

You don’t like fighting a target lose and have them fly away with 100% hp?

[paper mantle]

an immobile target, that is just there soaking any amount of damage with no repercussions

no

lifestealing 50% off the highest dps ability in the game

what were they thinking lol

[sudden bridge]

That hit scan in stadium is pretty busted

So if they don’t make phara busted she’d be absolute garbage

Probably

[paper mantle]

useless against that

her lifesteal is too high

[neon galleon]

I think that build depends on who can reliably kill Pharah/how confident the Pharah is about trying to go for it on a target.

[sudden bridge]

I had a guy in stadium playing phara add me yesterday

Telling me to F off because he wanted to play the game

He eventually won the game I told him to tell his monkey to dive me

She’s manageable without a mercy

With a mercy it kinda depends because you’ll never have the angle to stop every rez

So if the team refuses to camp the rez then it’s probably a loss

Discord fever + liquid nitrogen and a soldier can melt

[neon galleon]

With that build you either have a Soldier or Cass that can reliably fill the sky with enough lead to either kill her outright or deny her an opportunity to go in, or you keep your team on their toes at all times to limit her opportunities to go in with it.

[sudden bridge]

Now if she has 2 mercy’s

You might as well just gg go next

[neon galleon]

Genji/Orisa with deflect spin maybe? Since the rockets aren’t hers anymore she shouldn’t get any healing off of them

[sudden bridge]

Yeah i mean she definitely has downsides if the team wants to play around her

[neon galleon]

The rockets should also do enough damage for Dva with countermeasures to just shit out a ton of missiles back at her

[sudden bridge]

Dva can just eat her

If the team just wants to play stadium and play whatever they want then well you get what you get

I keep having to explain to fire build ashes that she’s going to lose that match up more then they win it

Like viper won’t guarantee a victory but you’re literally all we have bud

[paper mantle]

that's like, a handful of heroes who can MAYBE do something about it

a smart Pharah with this build going for flanks is pretty much impossible to stop, she blows up anyone solo and even 2v1

even if she uses it point blank she lifesteals more than she damages herself, it's fucked up

[hollow hollow]

I hardly see any mercy run attack speed tho

[compact flare]

Yeah, Dva hard counter a lot of builds. Like orbs moira and Ashe fire. People just don't care. The dva also needs a little bit of discipline to keep consistently eating skills

Most players just want to kill the enemy and most dva just want to go boom

[acoustic kiln]

the buffs you get from weapon power items are usually better

I prefer to get a few survival items but early game it’s usually a mix of WP and AS

[compact flare]

Seems like scam attempt

[manic mirage]

ok brig might be disgusting

[hollow hollow]

Do yall consider pharah to be broken?

I swear she’s a pain to deal with and makes this game unfun

[acoustic kiln]

its definitely hard to deal with her if you dont have a good hitscan

especially if she positions well

[modest spindle]

this sucks ass bro im against 2 reapers on the same team

and they just keep diving me

like they just fucking win every round because they are double AP reaper

[misty talon]

When I play dps I get the most fucking idiot teammates ever, but the other team js runs through my team somehow

someone give advice on how to get more sbmm

[tepid finch]

putting pharah in stadium was a mistake, just amplifies the problems of pharmacy tenfold

[crimson sapphire]

Thoughts about torb coming to stadium

What we think his powers gonna be

[acoustic kiln]

bringing back the level 3 turret i assume

[hollow hollow]

When is torb coming?!?

[acoustic kiln]

maybe something similar to ashe and bob
torb damage heals turret and turret damage heals torb

[acoustic kiln]

not next season

next season is sojourn

[hollow hollow]

so when

[acoustic kiln]

we dont know

[hollow hollow]

Oh lol

I see ppl saying he was seen in a trailer so I got xomfused

[acoustic kiln]

if i was a gambling person i'd say next season'll probably be wuyang, sojourn and rammatra

[hollow hollow]

I thought tracer and wuyang were this season

Isn’t there a midseason or no?

[dark crane]

tracer is midseason, wuyang isnt

[sudden bridge]

Just go double pharah

[tidal yoke]

do yall think stadium will get ruined when the full overwatch roster will be in it instead of the way it currently is rn?

[paper mantle]

would just get better

[neon galleon]

Yeah I’m pretty sure the ultimate goal is to get every character into stadium

[paper mantle]

her 50% lifesteal on minirockets is 100% completely broken

[paper mantle]

and just in general JFC, this character is not ok

[fallow socket]

they rlly need to add reaper's major perk dire triggers to stadium in some way

the onslaught item that fires both guns every 3rd shot is just not good lmao it doesnt have the added range

[humble steppe]

whys there no bonus progress from win streaks? why am i getting the same if not less progress in elite than i used to in all star last season? i thought they made it so u get back to ur actual rank faster

[fallow socket]

idk the system is probably still scuffed

my rookie games were genuinely harder than all star and legend from last season

[hollow hollow]

I’m struggling so hard this season

[void widget]

Blizzard actually destroyed stadium adding phar

this bitch can ult literally every 2 seconds

no damage reduction

[winter basalt]

What’a everyone’s thoughts on the payload race maps?

[fallow socket]

I like the dark city one a lot more than the Route 66 one

still confused on how the checkpoints and the final stretch work icl I dont pay attention

[fallow socket]

but yeah the dark one I like the flow, the center of the map is nice to play in and the high grounds on both spawns are fun to jump people

I despise everything about the route 66 map. Hate both spawns, hate the little room at each spawn, hate the middle of the map, hate the wooden structure at the ledge. The ending part is fine I like it more than the other map’s ending cause they’re not overlapped and it feels more interesting to play

[winter basalt]

Yeah same I prefers the dark city map more than the route 66. Even the with the checkpoints too I’m still getting used to this system xD but yeah it’s all valid with the features of the maps. I have gotten both maps a few times as I queue with randoms and the tactic for most of the teams I’ve played on is that they are aggressive when pushing the payload and disrupting the other payload 😂😂

[compact flare]

Any mods to just ban this spam messages?

Pretty sure it is all bots

[compact flare]

Yeah, I feel even with hit scan, pharah is kinda of "wins who shoots first"

I'm playing mostly as brig this season

So that is the impression that I got from my dps

[royal tree]

make sure to report the spam so discord can get their accounts deleted

[hoary sierra]

👍

[paper mantle]

that ability isn't OP by itself, but with 50% lifesteal it's completely broken

[neon galleon]

I feel like I wanna see if making Pharah feel balanced is as simple as just making the universal anti air items better or giving the characters that already struggle with Pharah like Junkrat, Reaper, and Rein better anti air stuff would be all that’s needed first before going for nerfs but yeah that lifesteal probably either needs to go or get nerfed

[paper mantle]

definitely both

because her double concussive homing minirocket build is just as disgusting, it can delete anyone while they get conc'd around unable to escape

[neon galleon]

Yeah I can definitely see that getting nerfed, I do kinda want to experiment with the idea of an anti air item that could let someone slowly drag Pharah down to the ground so that she’d get forced into their attack range

[paper mantle]

yeah, or give projectile heroes something they can get to challenge flying targets

[compact flare]

At this point, there should just have another bot to delete every message in the server with 4 attachments

[compact flare]

Next tank is ramatra to counter pharah hahaha 🤣

[compact flare]

"Bigger projectile" or "faster projectile"? It would be good. It would make a lot of builds better. It might even be op at low rank tbh

Talking about pharah, how well can soldier deal with pharah? I'm playing mostly brig this season

And some of my soldiers have been getting shit from pharah. I thought they countered it

[paper mantle]

i really don't like faster projectile, Zen has one but i never pick that because it completely messes up your ability to control where your shots go

what i'd like is something that turns your projectiles into homing attacks if your crosshairs are lined up with a flying enemy

[neon galleon]

Only thing I can really think of for Rein and Junkrat is either a way to speed their projectiles up or to make them have homing against airborne targets. Second option has issues though due to how easily someone can get considered as airborne.

[compact flare]

Idk if I'm a fan of homing Freja tbh

Pharah is definitely strong rn, but maybe part of her problem is that she is really new and people are just not used to it?

[neon galleon]

Freja doesn’t really need it since her projectiles are a lot faster than Rein’s and Junkrat’s plus she is actually able to chase Pharah in the air.

[compact flare]

Ohh you know what would be cool? A power for brig that gives an extra button to pull enemies with her chain

[paper mantle]

i don't think so, there isn't a whole lot to do against mini-ult + 50% lifesteal

you just die and she walks away with full health

[compact flare]

Might be too strong tho

[compact flare]

But like, reaper has the same but isn't that strong. I guess his ult on teleport is telegraphed tho

[neon galleon]

Reaper only has 30% lifesteal and needs to use strangle step to get enough lifesteal for death step to not be a death sentence

Plus the duration gets cut down and so can’t even kill someone at full health by itself in Stadium

I think its damage also takes a hit as well, all Pharah has to deal with is being at worst 60% slower at best 20% slower and a bit of a duration cut with the damage not taking a reduction at all

[paper mantle]

he's insanely telegraphed, he's on the ground, and he's close

and it does like a quarter of the dps of Pharah's

[compact flare]

I would wish for pharah to able to kill people tho. Spam ult is such a cool thing. Maybe reduce damage but make her cast it more often? Or make her take more dmg from her own rockets and decrease accuracy of the rockets

[neon galleon]

Plus if not enough people are in its radius he is more than likely dead no matter what round it is unless his teammates save his ass

[paper mantle]

yeah death step is a free kill in general

[compact flare]

He also can't chase people mid ult too

Like not well enough

[neon galleon]

Problem is if you got 50% lifesteal on barrage, unless a single barrage rocket hitting you takes a large chunk of your own health, you’ll heal yourself from hitting whoever your target is enough for them to die first

[paper mantle]

he's very immobile

[compact flare]

Not like pharah who can just turn the camera and keep hitting you

[paper mantle]

with a very easy head to headshot

Pharah's ability is like 5 times better

and even then it's not incredible on its own

but with 50% lifesteal it's literally unstoppable

[neon galleon]

The sad thing is, it’s unironically better to ditch death step and just let your AP only boost the actual ult, but then at that point you should just be focusing on WP. There is an argument to be made that Pharah could only use the mini ult and just completely ditch the actual ult, allowing her to benefit from vanadium injection

[paper mantle]

a good reaper TPing on me with actual weapon shots can kill me in 1 second

[compact flare]

I think it is fine as long as she doesn't come out of the exchange full health. Decrease in accuracy would make her need to come closer, making easier target.

[paper mantle]

if he's deathstepping, i charge my balls and 1shot him

[compact flare]

Ohh nvm, I think it is a problem that a single skill kills another player without allowing for counter play

[neon galleon]

And once Injection kicks in, she gets 10% movement speed, 10% cooldown reduction, AND 10% more AP

[compact flare]

Kills a single player and possible multiple players

What if we gave a super jump to soldier counter pharah? 🤣

[paper mantle]

the ability might be nerfed, but it could be buffed in another way at the same time

like, if you didn't have to automatically trigger the miniult when you use your movement ability, that would help make it less of a suicide move

i just think it's the other heroes, especially projectile heroes that need items that counter flyers

[neon galleon]

The worse part was for a bit Death Step did have that, but then got removed because it was a bug

[compact flare]

Make her power like ashe's power: can only happen on the ground

That power from ashe that creates lava, I mean

Or lower her jump rocket distance

[neon galleon]

Reaper and Genji could store their mini ults for later use, but Reaper had to buffer wraith to do it while Genji either had to wall climb or swift strike out of deflect, and both got removed

[paper mantle]

well anyway, if all heroes were able to put pressure on Pharah, she would be way less oppressive

[neon galleon]

Yeah, I’d say Junkrat probably needs it the most, Reaper at least has a way to make Wraith let him fly and has teleport, also he has an item to make death blossom bigger so that could potentially let him reach Pharah and Rein at least has the item that makes Firestrike bigger and go faster, an item to let him jump like 200% higher and an item to make his charge let him fly

[paper mantle]

all projectile heroes need it, they are mostly sitting ducks against flying enemies

[compact flare]

Maybe add a delay to pharah's dash + a sound to make it more telegraphed

Like, dash after half second+ ult sound

My biggest problem with pharah comes from getting surprised by a high burst of damage (and getting killed) which is hard to avoid

[neon galleon]

Yeah but Junkrat has to give up a charge of mine just to have a shot at hitting a grenade on her, most of the others like Freja or Genji either have more reliable ways to get to Pharah, an easier time connecting their shots, or has a way to not worry about travel time on their shots. Heck even Sigma has a consistent way to get airborne or make his rock faster.

Heck technically speaking Kiriko could just manipulate the clone to get them to do it.

[void widget]

Yes it is bro all it does is 60% less rockets but all those rocket are doing full dmg plus whatever ability power you stack with it

And then theres another ability where you can increase her ult duration which also includes the mini one

[stray dagger]

Get the 500% hitbox increase sleepdart upgrade out of here

Gross

[paper mantle]

it gets dealt with fine without lifesteal

it's not trash but there is counterplay

50% lifesteal removes all hope of actually killing her, you need hard CC and there's very few of those

[void widget]

All the stuff i explained is possible in the first 3 rounds and then most of em got a mercy pocket

[dense seal]

how did i go from elite 4 to elite 1 in 1 match

normally i was getting like +80 but now i got like +282

[frank obsidian]

pharah this patch is so broken

team have pharah = auto win

[paper mantle]

if she has the right build, this can be true

and plays good obviously

[clever creek]

How do you counter cass on stadium as damage

[humble steppe]

they fixed it, progression was bugged

now u should be able to get to ur predicted rank faster

[sudden bridge]

Stay away from nade range

Rocket soldier insta kills can bully him on mei lots of options

Play Cree yourself and headshot better lots of options

[acoustic kiln]

CONGRATULATIONS

they nerfed pharah

[sudden bridge]

I wouldn’t worry about phara based on the patch notes this like nerf round 1 out of 3

Which what they should have done is just disabled the item itself but you know blizzard

[paper mantle]

source?

[sudden bridge]

Patch notes

Rockets reduced 75% up from 60

Lifesteal 25% down from 50

Item cost up to 5500 from 4k

They still have more to come though

[paper mantle]

hell yeah, all the right nerfs

[sudden bridge]

Yeah not nearly enough

But they said more to come

The problem is you just get deleted the dps reduction from the rockets being reduced is still way to high

The life steal is still way to high

And the gold cost is meaningless

[hollow hollow]

Ouuu I see pharah got a lil nerfed

[lethal bay]

What heroes take the best advantage of the Vanadium Injection item? I want to build characters who can get ult fast and stick with it since their it’s aren’t too effective anyways

[acoustic kiln]

WP reaper could use it very well his ult doesnt scale well late game

[paper mantle]

Cassidy

his ult is the worst in the game so you just hold on it and benefit from vanadium

Zenyatta can also use it with soul control to have high ult readiness uptime

[neon galleon]

Eh, you can use it as a quick finisher or to forcibly break a Rein’s barrier. Reaper though should pretty much always get Vanadium Injection

[lethal bay]

I was thinking that too

[zealous escarp]

When will they fix third person reins shield charge

[sudden bridge]

Haven’t lost to a phara all night

Seems to be in a good spot now

[fallow socket]

Def wp reaper as mentioned already. Decent on any d.va build if you’re saving bombs only for remech. Some moira builds have really weak coalescences and can use vanadium. Soldier if you’re already a demon

[hidden atlas]

why are there mirror matchups?

didnt they add draft in order to remove them

[dusk bison]

does genji dragonblade scale with ability power and ability lifesteal as well as weapon power/lifesteal? ik it did i just want to know if they changed it.

[sudden bridge]

They folded on that almost immediately

[neon galleon]

If they did then it’s a shadow change cause I didn’t see anything in the patch notes mentioning it

I won’t be able to test and see until I get off work so someone else will need to check and see if AP still scales on Blade

[hidden atlas]

then whats the point of the draft, remove that aswell lmao

[dark crane]

counterpicking

[hidden atlas]

if u're not gonna let me be solo "any hero", then dont allow counter picking and bring back blind picking

they could simply add bans in stadium aswell

[dark crane]

the only reason they added drafts is bc of Pharah[

[hidden atlas]

i mean shes broken yeah, but my random teammate (if he even thinks about counterpicking and picking something like ashe) still wont do anything

but yeah fair point

[paper mantle]

that's even worse lol

[hidden atlas]

why

[paper mantle]

no drafts or bans are necessary in stadium, they just need to add the proper items/powers to level the playing field of bad matchups

[hidden atlas]

i mean yeah im also saying we dont need draft

but if u're gonna keep it, bans arent a bad idea

[paper mantle]

well it's bad for the players who want to play whatever character gets banned

[hidden atlas]

those players should learn more heroes

especially the pharahs and mercys

[paper mantle]

i don't want to, and i want a competitive mode where i can play my character without being bullied off of them, or being banned

stadium is that mode

and it has all the necessary design dials already for it to allow that without external systems added on top such as draft or bans

[neon galleon]

Plus the roster isn’t big enough yet for bans of any shape to work

If bans got added to Stadium it could be extremely easy for a group to just ban whatever counters the main carry so that they could cause absolute chaos

[paper mantle]

yep

bans are bad

[neon galleon]

At least in regular comp the roster is big enough to where you simply don’t have enough ban slots to get rid of everything that counters a specific character

[hidden atlas]

we had less heroes last season, 2-3 bans wont hurt, its not about the roster

[neon galleon]

2 to 3 bans is enough to remove every dps that could reliably hit Pharah

[hidden atlas]

the ban system doesnt have to be like the comp one

[neon galleon]

Soldier, Cassidy, Ashe, completely off the board. Who would you use to kill her at that point? Best you got is an Ana and she has to split that attention to heal her team

[paper mantle]

^ this

[neon galleon]

Stadium is simply not ready for something that limits character choice

[paper mantle]

bans can make problematic heroes even worse

[neon galleon]

It would have been better to delay Pharah another season or 2 so that there would be more characters that could actually deal with her

[paper mantle]

there are so many ways to solve problematic heroes through items that we shouldn't even have to discuss this issue

[dusk bison]

other than like kiriko i dont really have a problem with any character being available at all times

ana and jq can be annoying cuz anti sucks to fight but the rest of their kits arent that great

[dark crane]

i'd say that there's enough characters that can interact with pharah

Ashe, Cassidy Freja and Soldier

[paper mantle]

all characters need to be able to interact with Pharah

[acoustic kiln]

until the 600 hp giant sleep dart ana starts cooking

[acoustic kiln]

and we're getting sojourn next season i think

[humble steppe]

why

[paper mantle]

because this is stadium and you can't swap characters

[humble steppe]

draft

not everyone has to be able to deal with everyone

[paper mantle]

disagree

there was no draft in stadium season 1 and it was a lot more fun

why? because you had a lot less matchups that you'd just lose at the character select screen

adding powers and items to make matchups less lopsided is the proper way to fix this, not add external systems like draft

[sudden bridge]

Well in the patch they make note that mei has a hard time against fliers

Who’d have guessed

It wouldn’t be possible to ban all hit scan though even with the current system unless your own team decided to sabatoge you

In which case they get what they deserve

More then likely you’d just ban the phara

[dark crane]

i dont think bans + drafts would work ngl

it would be redundant to have both

[sudden bridge]

Bans help in times when some heroes are completely out of balance problem is

People just ban what they hate to play against

[dark crane]

and that works for normal overwatch because you cant build your hero like you can in stadium

and they're usually quick to hotfix problematic builds like bola freja

[paper mantle]

yeah bans is a really poor mechanic
literally an admission in being incompetent to balance your own game

[lunar veldt]

divine intervention is back! no mcree or zen is safe from my rein anymore

[coarse arch]

what is the best counter tank pick for orisa

[quaint escarp]

Orisa

[winter basalt]

DVA or Zarya

[timid atlas]

Does someone have the best Reaper Build

[safe crow]

Orisa

[tepid finch]

wp reaper is the safest, ap if ur based

[timid atlas]

Got it

[surreal sable]

is it just me, my stadium build ui not showing and I ended up not having any items bought after a round

[paper mantle]

this has never happened to me

[misty talon]

Rein is js broken asf

With the right build he just doesn't die

[coarse arch]

im enjoying rein atm

because i cant seem to do anything as a tank right now except literally just take damage

and he feels unkillable lol

[tribal flint]

what are ya building with rein? cos i been having bad games with him, having more winrate with d.va

[acoustic kiln]

lowkey

they gotta tone down that extra 150 health from sleep dart

600 hp ana with a 200 overhealth grenade is ridiculous

[tribal flint]

the alternative is she gets dived and insta dies

[fallow socket]

well i mean big sleep + tons of health + tons of overhealth

i think she'd be fine if we nerfed one

of those 3

and i think it should be the overhealth cause the hp one takes a little bit to stack anyways

[rapid rose]

is 300% a game normal in stadium?

[fallow socket]

and she has the power + item that both give overhealth on nade so with just those 2 its already 300 overhealth

becomes way more with stacking ap

[fallow socket]

300%

wuts this mean

[rapid rose]

like 3 full ranks

[fallow socket]

oh wow

i think i got like 2 in one game so maybe

3 lol

[rapid rose]

also I lose nothing in a loss

and its every game

[fallow socket]

yeah thats normal too i havent lost anything

game is just pushing u to the rank they think u are i guess

just 50 ap for 1000 health 💔

[dusk bison]

bro i just had a 110k+ point match and we somehow won

worst supports oat and we somehow pulled through

[opaque wave]

any of yall know how long the ranked stadium weapon charms stick around? Like legend, is it 1 season like the titles or permanent?

[acoustic kiln]

i love backfilling into a match and only having 21k to work with while being down 2-0

[orchid grove]

what is the predicted rank ? im pro 5 rn

[dense seal]

u can do this on every tank

[dense seal]

theyre seasonal

[coarse arch]

i cant figure out how to counter a good orisa

she just shoots so many bullets and that javelin

[coarse arch]

also i think i dont like the draft thing. tanks always go last and just counter pick the other one.

[paper mantle]

it's not great

[neon galleon]

Who do you usually play?

[coarse arch]

gave up on JQ, she's cooked right now. been doing well with rein, and some dva. havent played winton enough to know his sets yet. dont like sigma rn.

on and zarya i can play but i havent been too much.

[sudden bridge]

heh my last game was just some guy saying I've lost 6 straight games to some busted JQ

actually the easiest win so far is jq into rein

[paper mantle]

yeah JQ can be pretty strong if built right

[coarse arch]

i disagree. i think shields are the way to go right now. blocking heals is such a kill move.

does zarya beam pierce shields?

[acoustic kiln]

oh my days

one hitscan is NOT enough for pharah

they gonna have to put 2 on me

i put their cass through hell

[dusk bison]

Sigma is cracked out rn. Kinda dependent on matchup but he can kinda play around everything. Builds around his rock are crazy.

[signal rune]

I’ve got 100 wins as a tank 🔥

[dense seal]

Choose the power that makes u ignore armour

[neon galleon]

I don’t think the power lets her pierce barriers, right now I think JQ, Rein, Winston, Orisa, Genji, Moira, and Brig are the only ones reliably capable of ignoring barriers to hit whoever is on the other side in Stadium.

As for how to fight Orisa as a tank, JQ’s ability power builds don’t really care about her armor plus she can reliably survive situations where she gets separated from her team thanks to her sustain and she is able to weaken Orisa’s self healing capabilities, Zarya is always a reliable way to defeat Orisa since even with the item to let spin help you negate some beam damage she still hates fighting beams, Rein can reliably fight Orisa with a hammer build though you definitely need to be careful, Dva is in an….interesting situation since Orisa doesn’t really care for Dva’s guns but an AP build can generally cause trouble for her, Winston also doesn’t really care about Orisa’s armor and can quickly get to her supports to cut off her healing, just be careful about her trying to push you out of your bubble, and Orisa mirror is basically a 50/50 where it’s either based on who the better Orisa is in both playing her and building her or who has the better teammates as it’s very possible both Orisas could build to where it’s effectively impossible for them to kill each other.

Oh yeah and Sigma can generally survive well against her and even deflect spin doesn’t save her from the rock just….be prepared for her to attempt to rush you down.

[dense bone]

question
does tokki slam get boosted by ap

[neon galleon]

No, only your armor and shield health affects it, most builds that use Tokki Slam only do so at the start and then go an AP build later

[rough patio]

However, if you do want to build AP then getting Ignition burst is a great option, getting AP lifesteall with that will keep you alive a bit longer, they did nerf the Tokki slam build I used by nerfing Facetanking by slot

Speaking of Dva, I was going to try a “jack of all trades” build with both AP and WP (but mostly WP) to try and beat the Rein matchup that the old Tokki slam build can’t quite get rid of

[dim rampart]

I keep playing stadium as Cassidy and Im using the luka fadeaway fan build but its not giving me the challenge completed after the match ?

[pliant dragon]

they still havnt fixed matchmaking in s18?

[misty talon]

think u have to get it all idk

[short current]

Okay so, I'm pro1, in a group with an allstar3. We won a game, they got +136 SR, I got +29. What gives? There's no performance MMR I don't think. So shouldn't we have got like... ballpark the same gains?

[paper mantle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silent yoke]

its bc there rank is higher

[short current]

But shouldn't the lower rank player be lifted up? When solo queueing, I still got somewhere around the same area.

[dark crane]

because they're far from the rank they're supposed to be at

you're not

[acoustic kiln]

im assuming your all star 3 friend was in legend last season

[short current]

They're at their peak rank. I am as well.

[dark crane]

their mmr is higher

[short current]

So, Stadium has performance based MMR?

[tepid finch]

wow, invincible winston is actually unbearable

[short current]

dva and winston can be unreasonably hard to kill

[tepid finch]

just had a winston with constant life regen and 1 second jumps with life regen, absolutely disgusting

[zealous escarp]

Support rein is oddly fun

I wish they would fix the shield charge power fucking up the camera in 3p

[short current]

Wait, what?

[zealous escarp]

In third person, when you get the shield charge power, for some reason when you charge you get free cam, so you dont look where your steering

[dark crane]

no

its seeded from quick play and previous stadium's seasons i believe

[short current]

That makes a bit of sense. I was a MUCH lower rank last season, on account of not playing it too much

[signal rune]

Am I the only one who feels like Rein is nerfed?😔

[boreal ruin]

nah fuck you rein is the most braindead busted hero in this mode by far

only hero who's every build is just busted round 3

only good thing bout that fuckass hero is he's fodder to melee genji

[wheat crater]

i played 7 rounds and won today and got +17 it’s ridiculous

[signal rune]

Yes I was cooking with him

It was just my team

[dusk bison]

real but kiriko is defintely more op

[acoustic kiln]

solo queueing stadium comp is hell

[winter basalt]

Facts 😭 that’s what it was like solo queueing for drives

[coarse arch]

bro, i hate it sometimes. im Elite 1 trying to get into Pro 5, and you definitely will get bronze or unranked players.

unranked im not so sure about but bronze players who should have hit QP absolutely

when you play a lot there are unspoken rules about positioning, so when you get a newbie and they start barking orders, i know i have to play a whole new game because this player isnt aware of Stadium nonsense

(like 2 tzu, don't care how many times you are '1 shot,' if you got a kiri you are 1 tsu away from full HP lol)

[acoustic kiln]

6 game losing streak

cant end it on a loss though

[short current]

Not so long ago, I had someone in my team on Reaper. In round 4, they had under 500 damage when the round ended. Like, what the hell man?

[short current]

When I'm on Soldier, I basically say "Brig, stay with me. When their Winston dives, if you're not here to fight him off. I WILL die. I NEED you to keep him off me."

And half the time they still just want to pocket the tank.

[acoustic kiln]

finally won

only took me 3 hours

[short current]

I think I found what to do about Dva while on Soldier, and I hate it.

[crystal light]

guys, how much score are you getting around pro? +40 and -15 for me i guess im not getting all star skins this season

[short current]

-10/+30

[crystal light]

gg

[short current]

I'm pro1, 52%

Actually, I lost 19 in one a bit ago.

[crystal light]

thats a lot of grinding

[short current]

But as long as I win more than half, I'll get it done.

[crystal light]

i think im gonna give up on all star

[short current]

But I hate how much of a coinflip it can be

[crystal light]

yeah, i get ppl who only mindlessly stack dmg and nothing else

and wont take cover

[short current]

I had a Rein who took the anti-armor and barrier damage... into a dva

[crystal light]

lol

[short current]

of which anti-armor doesn't do anything for single hit characters

and an enemy team with no barriers

[crystal light]

i get a rein who took volskaya...

[short current]

I just mean that they took two high cost abilities that do nothing at all for them

not about their character pick. But just blatantly wasting points

[crystal light]

yeah

[short current]

We lost that game. Despite me going 18:4

[crystal light]

thats sad

anyway, i hope they rethink the scores, but at this rate its not worth the carpal tunnel

[short current]

I've done 6+ hours a day for 3 days now. So I'm almost to it

[crystal light]

my wrist kills me if i do 2 games in a row without a long break

6 hours daily no wonder you are at pro 1 lol

[short current]

It's pretty much my first time in stadium. So I'm having some trouble with some things

Like, what do you do to actually kill dva or winston? My plan is mostly to just try and avoid them and hope my tank wins that fight

[crystal light]

i look at their items and try to counter.

like maybe take anti armor and anti air

[short current]

Winston kills me so fast, and Dva gets her ult super fast if I shoot her. :c

[wheat crater]

i just won a game and went up +5

its so broken

[crystal light]

thats nutballs, whats your rank?

[crystal light]

shoot supp and dps first maybe

[short current]

I mean when dove on

[crystal light]

run!

[short current]

For Dva, that's my plan most of the time. Winston... I don't even know what to do besides hope someone saves me

[crystal light]

take a defensive

like nebula

[short current]

maybe... Not sure if that'll save me. It might?

[crystal light]

2~3 round take vitalit-e

well find out, lol

depends on their build and dmg type too

armor blocks wp, the shield reduce ap dmg % one blocks ap

[short current]

a lot of the time it really feels like it comes down to who has a better tank

[crystal light]

yeah

[short current]

I'm in Pro1, and round 4, my reaper had 380 damage...

[crystal light]

ikr

now i keeps getting random stadium qp disconnects, as soon as the game starts, 9 minutes suspension...

[boreal ruin]

i disagree, its 50/50 between dps and tanks

[short current]

Sometimes. A good Genji can just go crazy

[boreal ruin]

you can have a bad tank matchup and do ok, but your dps arent working around the enemy tank's build to make it less of a free matchup, they just get steamrolled

i've had match where i went like 10-3 on JQ while against a Charge Barrier AP build while both dps just went double negative, and i told them to pick the Anti-Barrier perk because it would make rein a free target without powers

They ignored me round 2, server crashed, so we replayed round 2, still ignored me, and then just ignored me on round 3 as well, you can guess the result 🫩

Like hmmm.. i wonder why you went 0-4 soldier..

Hell i think Junkrat is a genuinely valid pick considering all the Reins in the mode and how strong he is on every build

[boreal ruin]

Absolutely, he can leverage any matchup in Stadium tbh

[boreal glen]

is it weird that Lumerico Fusion Drive (restore 50 armor or shields over 3 seconds for an ability use) doesn't stack for multiple ability uses either by restoring armor faster or even by extending the length of the effect? You just have to wait until it's finished and then use an ability again.

[short current]

It's probably something so Ashe's burning doesn't just lolololol armor you

[boreal glen]

I get that, but it's only when you use an ability, not per tick of damage

it seems like it would at least heal the next 50 after the first 3 seconds slowly finishes. Or stack if you use different abilities but not the same one repeatedly.

[acoustic kiln]

100-ish

but i was legend last season so it makes sense

[crystal light]

Guess it's the games way to tell me I'm not good enough for All Star😭

[sudden bridge]

Pro 1 around 140 I was not legend last season

And really it should be easier if you do fight to like a 3/4. Loss I lose like 13 to 20

Even taking a single round flattens loses now

[crystal light]

i think each time you lose or rank up it permanently reduces the points you can get. I lost too many games I guess. Gonna sit this season out.

[dusk bison]

I mean theoretically the ranking system is supposed to make you slow down ranking around where it thinks you belong

Idk how well it actually works but as of rn thats what its supposed to do

[crystal light]

the last game I won is only +19 now, and -15 on loses. And Im on a lot of loses

last season was a breeze to reach All Star. Now its too much to grind.

[sudden bridge]

Sitting out wouldnt really help though if you're correct

It would just be harder if you don't grind it out because if it's going off previous seasons then next season would theoretically be harder

[misty talon]

This season is easy lol, just filled with bot dps everywhere thats all

[short current]

I don't know. I won and got 17 points. That kind of sucks

[crystal light]

Nah last season was +100/+150/-30 at Pro 1 lol

[crystal light]

I'm screwed then. Hope they never put brig skin on All Star 😭

[short current]

Is burning considered ability damage?

[boreal ruin]

Yes, except for stuff like brig rally, which has a set scaling

Until we get Mauga that is

[bright briar]

yeah, so theres like 3 different dmg types in stadium

weapon, ability, and "generic".
generic covers things like, brig rally, tokki slam, moira's chain grasp (the 2 extra tendrils do not count as weapon dmg)

[short current]

I'd have thought those last ones would

[bright briar]

it's very weird how some things scale

chain grasp feels like its bugged honestly because it doesn't scale anything

[short current]

what about charging plate? it gives 10% ability power when ulting

does that stack?

[bright briar]

it also means moira doesn't get self healing on those extra chains

she only heals for the primary target

[bright briar]

charging plate?

[short current]

shop item

it's in the green section on abilities

[bright briar]

for who though

oh.

the 1k generic

that doesn't stack no

[short current]

rip. I was thinking mini-bob build for that

[bright briar]

its still a good item, for AP builds early game

[short current]

Most early games don't give more than one ult

[bright briar]

but unless its explicit, most items won't stack

the only example i can think of is when junker was bugged for dva

frankly it should work like that for everyone. a flat +25% ult charge, it made dva a lot of fun

[drifting bridge]

wait so my AP brig build is actually full of shit

[neon galleon]

No it’s talking about Dragons’ Incinerator’s burn damage

Whip shot, shield bash, inspire, and repair pack properly scale with AP

[drifting bridge]

oh okay that's cool

as I stacked a cubic shit ton of AP on brig

mainly for inspire

[crystal light]

anyway, i think they need to rethink the score system. There are ppl who gets only 3 on wins. How do you expect them to climb?

gonna take hundreds of games and shit ton of luck

[zealous escarp]

I got flamed for not being able to kill pharmacy in stadium. Im on Ashe sure but wtf am I supposed to do. I cant kill Pharah because Mercy is keeping her ass alive. I cant kill Mercy because I just cant hit the bitch and pharah is kicking my ass

[dark crane]

what powers do you choose

[drifting bridge]

mender bender, aura farming, righteous cleave, packstabber

or if my tank dc's swap out packstabber for Lindholm wall

[high halo]

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[neon burrow]

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[lapis tusk]

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[crystal light]

there seems to be some spam bot activity going on

[short current]

Huzzah, all star!

[crystal light]

grats, whats the score that got your there

[short current]

5033

[crystal light]

no i mean

how much increment

[short current]

So it's weird. I was getting like.. 12-17 for a win. lost 3 games in a row, then startted getting +40 a win

and rode that all the way to all star

[crystal light]

hmmm

i got something like that at some point, halfway through Elite maybe. +80 something, then suddenly jump to +150 and slowly decrease again.

[short current]

not, 'about 40' but exactly 40 for like 6 games in a row

[crystal light]

how much decrement?

-15 per lost game?

[short current]

No idea

once I hit the +40, I just won non-stop

[crystal light]

nice

did you adapt some new strat/build that made the game think you deserve higher

[short current]

Not... really? I switched from Soldier to Ashe, because I kept running into Dva and Winston. I guess if anything, I started shotgunning Winstons to keep them from diving me

But besides that it was just flaming shotguns, then throwing explosives at the main fight over and over

[crystal light]

hmmmm

different win scores for different heroes?

[short current]

I don't know. Uhh... maybe?

[crystal light]

anyway, congrats again, the grind is finally over

[short current]

Frankly, I'm confused about how the ranking system works

[crystal light]

same hahaha

[signal rune]

I’ve got 122 wins and I’m All star 4😔 (tank)

Winning with randoms is hard sometimes

they either leave or don’t play well

[short current]

I've had games where in round 3-4, one of the DPS will end the round with sub-500 damage dealt..

At a point, some of the games are just unwinnable like that

[signal rune]

Yes, It feels like playing 4v5

[short current]

Worse than that, because they take up support efforts and feed ult charge

[signal rune]

I only get like +14 to +25 but when I lose it’s -30

[short current]

That said, some of the characters are just inheriently scary. A good genji, junker queen, dva, winston. They just make me feel helpless :c

[signal rune]

I’ve tried all the tanks and builds but the best ones in stadium are Rein, zarya, junker queen, and orisa

Mostly rein though

I like playing protector with the big shield and damage reductin

[mighty light]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[short current]

Why are multiple users posting the same sketchy images in here?

[hoary sierra]

peoples accounts being compromised

[short current]

Probably. But just like, users posting about Elon giving away thousands of dollars to anyone? Free money is sketchy as heck. And thousands per person is just... too good to be true. You know what's said about something seeming too good to be true

[boreal glen]

just report for spam

[ocean vessel]

yea it’s an obvious scam they just send as much a possible to catch the few stupid people

[paper mantle]

why aren't you deleting the messages and banning the accounts from the server

[tepid finch]

when are they gonna nerf this braindead poster child?

[hasty frigate]

hon we are

[quaint briar]

queue stadium

immediately get a cass whos going negative
his excuse is that he doesnt play cass

why do we pick him then

[onyx ravine]

for fun

[neon galleon]

If it’s quick play….its cause it’s quick play, if it’s comp….well then he doesn’t have an excuse

[neon galleon]

Which one?

[quaint briar]

it was comp stadium

[short current]

I saw a clip of someone who won a round, then their score went from -1 to 0. I don't know how.

[winter basalt]

Y’all ever just get random teamates in comp stadium that only just flank? I had one earlier tonight and they were like “Guys we gotta work together here” 😭😭

[short current]

I had a Rein who's W key was stuck down and they kept running in, even if everyone else was respawning. Flank teams CAN work. If you have Genji, Pharah, Monkey/Dva, Moira, and Mercy.

[neon galleon]

I had a Pharamercy that kept trying to flank the entire enemy team, leaving me and our soldier with just the other support to keep us alive….against the entire enemy team cause the 2 kept going into the enemy’s part of the map to flank them all

[winter basalt]

Awww nah that’s crazy with that rein. On this team we had Orisa, Lucio(Me), Mei, Moira and this played was Soldier. I do agree with flanking but this soldier did it the whole game. Never stayed with the team and kept flaming us for not healing him. The only time he was legit with us was in spawn 💀 never ulted too

[winter basalt]

Yeah it’s a head scratcher, I’d only support that if you have the number advantage against the other team but flanking in that scenario is just a first way ticket back to spawn 😭

[crystal light]

i think its ok for 76 to do his own thing, but to expect healing is another story, lol

[winter basalt]

Yeah I don’t mind that he has moments in games where he can do his own thing but to do it for the whole duration of a round and flame our team is crazy Bro 😂 it’s like not doing any works in a group project and getting upset that you didn’t get good grades from it

[dense bone]

Question
How do people build brig

I feel like if I invest in ap I hit like a wet noodle
But if I invest in offense or survival my healing is minimal
Is inspire weapon healing or ap healing?

[acoustic kiln]

inspire is ap

[ashen acorn]

So I recently hit pro 4 .. and my wins and losses have shrunk significantly.. I went from winning 240 to winning like 70.. but I also lose like 40 maybe 50 max.. What caused this shift? I was partied with two friends who kept winning 240 per game and I was wondering why mines changed.

[acoustic kiln]

probably because you reached the rank that matches your stadium mmr

[ashen acorn]

Oh yee... tru :3

hmm oki ^^

[acoustic kiln]

moira is SO good in stadium

if the other team doesnt have a d.va

[neon galleon]

You want to invest in AP since all WP does is boost your flail damage while boosting AP pretty much boosts everything on Brig. There are some sub categories for it like focusing on Whip, packs, etc. but I prefer building for Rally since Brig can get it ready to go extremely easily

[acoustic kiln]

but also you could go with the burn build

makes your whip and the shield throw power do burn damage

[neon galleon]

Yeah but with the Rally build you can grab Dragons’ Incinerator which can potentially make you extremely difficult to kill

[frank rivet]

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[fair fulcrum]

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[drifting bridge]

would JQ's wounds fall under weapon power or weapon life steal

[neon galleon]

Unless it’s from Royal Bullets, all of her wound damage belongs to AP

Yes, even the wound damage from quick melee with the knife belongs to AP

[drifting bridge]

oh that's really annoying

my build is mostly WP no wonder wounds don't feel like they doing a whole lot

ty tho

[dense bone]

Mm
Alright
I guess it's just kinda boring since all you do is just
Sit there and hit like a wet noodle
You don't really get to peel, but you do keep people from dying ig?

[neon galleon]

Oh no your bash and whip are fucking mean when you boost up AP, and the flailing the wet noodle thing kinda gets remedied if you get the shield throw

[dense bone]

Hm.
Does it scale off ap

[neon galleon]

Shield throw is based on Shield Bash’s damage, which is based on AP, so yes

[dense bone]

I guess I just wanted to be able to brawl like that one zen build
But there's almost nothing that enables it

[neon galleon]

Oh no you can still very much brawl, even the inspire triggered by flail uses AP

It’s just you’re also going to be in Rally a lot

[dense bone]

Really?
I suppose I'd need to go try the build first but don't you miss uh
The damage on flail

[dense bone]

I mean
More survival, sure
I assume attack speed isn't necessary either?

And I kinda wish dragon's incinerator used ap effects like cybervenom

[neon galleon]

It isn’t, since your base swing is fast enough to keep Inspire from expiring

[dense bone]

For some reason I don't think it does?

[dense bone]

Mm.
So ap, survival and cooldown reduction

[neon galleon]

It doesn’t because it’s not using anything you can buy for its damage, it’s using the opponent’s health

[dense bone]

Yeah

[neon galleon]

The main key piece of the build though is Scavenged Steel, which makes it so every bit of ability damage you do gives you 3% ult charge, which includes the shield throw

[dense bone]

Hmm
Alright
I'll go try that
What're the general powers for a rally build

[neon galleon]

Shield throw, Consecrated ground, aura farming, and then I like to grab the power that let’s base shield act more like rally’s shield, that’s what I usually go for

Shield throw and that shield power have the added benefit of where if an ability hits multiple enemies, it gives you multiple instances of the ult charge, so if shield throw hits the same person on both the throw and the return, that’s an immediate 6% ult charge

[rapid rose]

what supports are good rn?

[potent adder]

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[woeful plank]

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[crystal light]

had a game where my moira suddenly no longer procs superflexor buff from weapon healing, only weapon damage. any known bug about this?

[crystal light]

lol when i win usually it is +60, and -40 when lost. suddenly it became -115...

[wanton sluice]

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[empty hazel]

I'm almost up to commander on stadium ( I dont play much so this is good)

[empty hazel]

Kiri, Moira, and Juno sometimes

[sudden bridge]

Dont forget about mercy Lucio and brig also good

[fallow socket]

im losing 0 points even in all star lobbies

n this is on an acc that didnt even play stadium last szn

so i dont get it 😭

[forest coral]

top supps are probably brig/lucio at #1 then kiri/zen then mercy/moira/ana but most of them are pretty close

[boreal ruin]

kiri is easily top 1 fym

[forest coral]

ap clone is def really strong but i dont think it can dominate a lobby and absolutely shut people down like brig and lucio can

[reef axle]

anyone know if the full house power on Cassidy is based off of current mag size or max mag size

[sudden bridge]

Current

damage bonus depends on how many bullets you have in your magazine at that moment. If you’ve used some bullets, the boost will be reduced accordingly

Lucio is probably the top support. Though the stats are outdated. He can basically team wide Suzu on demand. The burst right click damage is great for securing kills, speed is big in so many stadium fights. While maintaining great healing. His power is amplified by the fact that so many stadium fights are just win one team fight and group wide pseudo invulnerability can just win fights and the best ones allow you to forgo taking survival items because he’s basically already acting as DI or Core

[proven knot]

tell em

[sudden bridge]

His value only gets exponentially better as you climb and get groups that know how to utilize speed as well

I just wish I could have Lucio over every Juno player I get lately they literally aren’t even playing

At least with Lucio you generally get some healing or speed

[proven knot]

oh ya juno is ass rn

legit throwing

[acoustic kiln]

yeah Juno’s healing output is kinda mediocre and her damage isn’t really worth it anymore compared to some other characters

[coarse arch]

stadium is funny, because her healing might not be the best, but if you aren't paying attention to her homing missles, they can be the definition of unfair

like i watch some replays, and i swear to god it kills me on the inside because i got killed by 'chance.' Juno shoots a homing missile, and i go behind cover, but it still tracks, so i tracks me as a move to a different cover, omg it's like whaaaaaaaaat in the name of chances.

but on a different subject with the same detail, stadium is so fun, because in the first round or 2 i might recognize our healing output isn't optimal, so i will adjust my build tree for extra personal heals, and we can over come. love this mode. can't wait for a patch!!

[white berry]

kiri meta is boring idk why they had to carry that shit to stadium and not even properly nerf it

her clone still does 100% of kiris healing

born to play literally any other support forced to play meta

[humble steppe]

kiri is easily #1

[humble steppe]

two zu alone makes kiriko #1

the most broken ability in the game x2

[sudden bridge]

Two Suzu is incredible strong but devalued by a lack of Anna players. Sure it’s nice to have for other things but she also requires a decent amount of skill and your average stadium player walks in a straight line or stands in a doorway

We’re cooked when Hanzo drops

[hasty mortar]

I just crashed and got suspended and prio reque at the same time wtf does that mean

[humble steppe]

suzu can save u from basically any ult and does not require that amount of skill where it wouldnt make kiri the best

[neon galleon]

looks at a boosted Death Blossom, where even in base game Blossom lasts longer than Suzu can save you and so they get killed anyway

[slender willow]

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[acoustic kiln]

soldier rocket build on top

[fallow socket]

anyone know a brig build to counter winston or atleast stay alive

[forest coral]

just dont think this is true

i have an overwhelmingly positive wr against ap clone kiri even if it's annoying

brig and lucio actively can make me feel hopeless frequently

okay how many kiris have you seen with a 90+% wr with a decently high sample size of games played

[fallow socket]

ap clone kiri isnt a carry its just massive stat padding onto the tank

[forest coral]

basically that

the build doesnt have actual carry potential

[fallow socket]

if ur tank is buns gg

[forest coral]

it's entirely based on the quality of your team and doesnt have a lot of adaptations to actually shut down the core issues on the enemy team

ap clone kiri is basically a multiplier on your team

while brig and lucio are that but also come with insane individual carry potential

and ability to shut down the enemy tank

like we didnt win this game but ur never going to be doing shit like this on kiri

it wouldve been a 0-4 even if i was the best ap kiri player in the world

at least on brig i was able to make it a close 2-4

[inland quiver]

why does this broken matchmaking put me on multiple teams with rookies when im allstar

[sudden bridge]

Yeah but Lucio can do the same on a team wide level basically without even having a target

[thick prairie]

can somebody carry me 10 elite wins pls i just got the game 1 week ago and i main soldier the problem is hes just useless in higher ranks or against a good team

[wise pelican]

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[sudden bridge]

I love stadium my tank said he has negative cash woo

[fallow socket]

are you sure its the character and not you

[paper mantle]

why does everyone who has the kitten of discord title insanely bad?

it's really strange

[fallow socket]

its a popular title so when you see bad players youll see kitten of discord more

[fallow socket]

junk zip grease pretty good

[acoustic kiln]

soldier definitely isn’t bad sometimes you’ll just go against players that’re better than you

it’s unavoidable

[tepid finch]

get ready for armageddon tomorrow

[neon galleon]

I wouldn’t necessarily say Tracer would cause Armageddon in Stadium, she will have to get more survival items than a dps might normally get due to how little health she has compared to everyone else

[tepid finch]

there's also powers if u didnt know

[thick prairie]

yea thats rlly true its jus a skill issue rn but i struggle alot as him to kill a reaper or junkrat or genji in 1s

[neon galleon]

Again, she is going to need to get more survival items than the other dps, I’m pretty sure she is already at risk of getting one shot by a Cass or Ashe with a Mercy pocket. Powers don’t mean much if you constantly get insta killed by the first thing that sees you.

[fading jetty]

I'm so fucking tired of playing against tank and one shot genji, how are you supposed to play against it????

[sudden bridge]

Mei

[neon galleon]

Beams, slows, tracking, fliers

Also the rock, Shatter, and Dva bomb. Deflect can’t do anything against them.

Pretty much deny him as much cash as possible so he can never get to the point of one shotting

Divine intervention can also be good since more than likely Blade will breach 150 damage and Nebula Conduit can cut some of the immediate damage off and let you heal the residual

If you’re a Zarya trying to get him stuck in Surge aim it at the ground where you think he’ll land next because hitting him directly is asking him to deflect it at you instead

[fading jetty]

Guess I'll become a mei main then

Embrace the dark side to restore cosmic balance

[tepid finch]

they posted a whole blog post for tracer

oh lord

[woven geyser]

mei is goated in stadium

[neon galleon]

Huh, the blog was actually pretty interesting

[acoustic kiln]

i need to find a good juno build for stadium

[neon galleon]

Probably still torpedo build just gotta be more supportive with it

[sudden bridge]

The trick to Juno is just don’t play her

Like sure she has some okay builds and can be above average in the right hands but she’s leagues below the other options in the same hands just play those

[spice field]

LPT in stadium competitive: If you take your head out of whatever build you're trying to copy and adapt, you might actually win the match

"guys that d.va has to fly into us to use the slam dunk, maybe we should buy anti-flyer items" entire team procedes to just build like usual

I ended up putting a bunch of my cash into survival and voidhoppers because what else am I supposed to do when nobody wants to adapt their builds

[neon galleon]

Ironically tommygun would have probably been better due to how much health they would have had

[proven knot]

nah most characters cannot get good uptime on its effect

[neon galleon]

True but we don’t know what their other 4 characters were

[proven knot]

i think soldier is the only dps that can get good value on it

[neon galleon]

Can’t Freja proc it multiple times in a row with their movement?

[proven knot]

yeah probably

but better off just building wp

[neon galleon]

Juno could probably build it better since there are builds that can spam torpedo

[proven knot]

oh juno runs it well

her old meta build had ttt

[neon galleon]

I can’t think of a tank that can reliably spam it aside from maybe Dva?

[proven knot]

no one can

also it got nerfed on dva

for dva only three tap tommygun does its damage over time instead of instantly and you cannot proc the effect on it again until its done doing DoT

[neon galleon]

Lemme guess…double micro and boost?

[proven knot]

?

[neon galleon]

Guessing what specifically got it nerfed on Dva

[proven knot]

likely. Surprised it did though. Not a lot of people were using it.

[spice field]

we literally only won round 1 and rounds 2 and 3 could've used it

round 4 I tried to stall as long as possible with survival items and it was the closest we got to winning

[terse summit]

i genuinely dont understand the rank system in stadium because why is it that im all star 4 on tank and still gain 240+ on a win, but on support (which is my main role btw) im pro 1 and only gain 50 per win 😭

[fallow socket]

maybe in a year things will be straightened out

✌️💀

[crystal light]

the game is telling you to be tank main lol

[acoustic kiln]

finally hit all star again

now i just gotta go for legend

[humble steppe]

i get like 30-60 progress per win on tank and supp (yeah i didnt play them last season) but thats still so stupid its impossible to progress

[misty talon]

Does overhealth count in max life

[neon galleon]

Considering Orisa’s overheat burn power doesn’t count overhealth for its damage, I’d say no

And if it does for stuff like Tommygun, it’s not gonna count for very long

[proper shadow]

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[tepid finch]

why are they giving everyone auto-aim

[neon galleon]

Alright so good news: Tracer has reduced health gain from every single item it looks like

[severe ermine]

FN6MQ boxer tracer build

[tepid finch]

I'm scared of ap tracer with recall bomb

[neon galleon]

I wouldn’t be, I just tested it against Hog and it doesn’t even knock him to half health

And that was with 100% AP

And the full powered version still can’t kill Hog at 100% AP so I imagine while nice for extra damage, Tracer is still gonna prefer to be WP

[tepid finch]

284dmg with 100% ap, that's hefty

[neon galleon]

And 100% WP Tracer needs close to the full mag to kill Hog with max a bunch of head shots, and that was with The Closer’s crit damage boost

[neon galleon]

I still wouldn’t call it immediately dangerous since it’s only on recall and by the time you get to 100% AP, more than likely everyone on the enemy team has enough health to live, and probably have a way to survive it even if they aren’t at full health

Cause without any AP that would be 142 damage, and even base Tracer can live that

Of course doing these tests at 100% AP or WP ignores the big fact that Tracer has to invest more in health than other characters

Timelapse from the looks of it is able to stack the damage over time onto each other but considering how little it actually does, assuming that it goes 1 bullet 2 bullet trigger and then counts the next 2 as a separate instance for the condition to be met, that’s like 20 extra damage at base and then 40 at 100% WP?

Foresight is also only really gonna be good for those that aren’t good at aiming with Tracer yet, and T.Racer sounds like an easy way to run your muscle memory

Ok I just tested auto recall, it doesn’t use up your recall cooldown and it can trigger stuff that specifically triggers on recall use

This test allowed it to trigger bullet time so I imagine it can also trigger any power or item that activates when recall gets used

[fallow socket]

theyll give zen and ana 500 hp tho 💔

[neon galleon]

Ana doesn’t like Dive too well without it and Zen usually has to give up a fair bit of damage/healing to get that bulk, it also further reinforces the idea that Tracer needs to buy more survival items than the other dps

Ok Bullet Time only slows down enemy projectiles, Allies have their projectiles unaffected by it

[fallow socket]

thatd be so troll lol

[neon galleon]

On one hand yes it would be, on the other hand, imagine setting up an insane amount of burst damage to be hit on someone stunned or stuck for any reason

I mean you technically still could if the Tracer had an ally Genji nearby but still-

[fallow socket]

oh yeah every item in the armory has a decreased health value for tracer

[neon galleon]

Ok Recall won’t get its cooldown reduced by auto recall if Tracer also throws out the mini bomb

[zealous escarp]

Ok so was the shield charge bug in 3p for Rein implemented on purpose?

[neon galleon]

It has to be the full on ult for recall to get its cooldown reduced

I do think Quantum Clip and Blink of an Eye will be insanely strong together and I do personally think auto recall will be good no matter what since it’s a get out of jail free card for the round and lets you use your ult to get recall back faster even if you don’t boost ult at all, but idk what WP would really want for their last power cause Timelapse just feels like it kinda…sucks

[fallow socket]

no literally cause damage over 2 seconds is crazy long

andits so little

[neon galleon]

I’ll use the custom game code to give myself a better idea of how little it actually is

[fallow socket]

i mean its just half ur ammo right

[neon galleon]

Yeah its as I though, literally just 20 extra damage at base and 40 extra more at 100% WP

[halcyon goblet]

are junkerqueen wounds really affected by ability power? ive never played stadium and im putting a build together right now and that just sounds absurd

are they also affected by ability lifesteal??

[neon galleon]

Yes and Yes. The only wounds not affected by AP and ALS is Royal Bullets

[halcyon goblet]

ah i do see that specifies weapon dmg

[neon galleon]

Even the wound damage from doing quick melee with the knife is affected by AP, part of why WP doesn’t boost her quick melee damage

[halcyon goblet]

its been so long since i played the wounds from ur knife, axe ult and royal bullets stack separately right? i worry stacking ap but using royal bullets will just ruin the setup if they dont stack cause then im just doing mostly weapon dmg wounds

[neon galleon]

Her wounds stack, they won’t ever override the other, they don’t even override their own instances

[halcyon goblet]

[fallow socket]

wait were there stadium balances too

or just tracer

oh hell no

i mean the item still has no stat

but damn almost doubled

[neon galleon]

There were indeed stadium changes

Oh wait it’s not just items Tracer also gets less health from earning cash

Oh wait shit stadium quick play is a custom game option now

Oh wait you could now do like 1v5 stuff now where the 1 is gigantically jacked up

Also ironclad exhaust ports pretty much got killed this patch due to Tracer since you can’t stack the overhealth from it now

[fallow socket]

yeah i saw

also not sure whatto think of the tommy gun change

[neon galleon]

To be fair Tracer would definitely be able to abuse the shit out of it if it could still stack

[neon galleon]

I don’t think I like the damage falloff changes

Though I can’t tell if Tommygun technically got buffed or nerfed with the change to how its damage works-

[hasty mortar]

Why would they buff explosive homing one shot whyyyy

[fallow socket]

i think you can technically get more % off than before but its less bursty so probably nerfred

[fallow socket]

the item was lowkey buns after they removed the item stat (it had ap and then lifesteal and now it has no stat)

but all the way to 35 is crazy..

[hasty mortar]

Bro I she stacked ap and you had less than 350 you just fell over

[neon galleon]

It might technically be more bursty? If a weapon is firing fast enough to get 4 procs to trigger in a single second that’s 4% of the target’s max health gone so that could be a max of 12% of their max health.

Which….would probably be mainly Tracer now that I think about it-

[fallow socket]

yeah but over 3 seconds

old tommy gun would do 9% no cd just instantly

juno was genuinely a menace

[neon galleon]

Actually I don’t think it’s over 3 seconds, just that for the next 3 seconds on an internal cooldown of .25 seconds your weapon damage deals additional damage equal to 1% of the target’s life

[fallow socket]

yeah sory thats what i meant

so i dont think its as bursty

they did reduce cost by 1k which is nice

[neon galleon]

Ok so on Hog I needed to up Tracer’s ammo count a bit since tommygun also increases your fire rate, but at 58 bullets base Tracer does 348 damage, with Tommy Gun active, in a single mag, she did 386. Considering without the mag increase it was 240 to 270. It is technically more bursty now if you have enough mag size and a fast enough fire rate.

Though it might technically be better to say it makes sustain damage more bursty now instead of just being a plain burst damage increase for whats already burst damage?

So like Mei would benefit a lot more from it than say Cass or Reaper would instead of the other way around because Mei has enough ammo and fire rate to potentially get the max damage from tommygun

Tracer would probably still be the main person to benefit from it since she can start firing pretty much immediately after using blink which is able to activate tommygun.

[lunar veldt]

so how would we go about playing rein into mercy, zarya, lucio and tracer, with tracer blinking and when she gets low boom zarya bubble, lucio booping and when he gets low boom zarya bubble and zarya hopping to allies with the bubble as one of her powers and damage boosted by the mercy and your team behind you just dies instantly, i certainly can't shield from it, they're out of reach of my hammer, i get knockback when i try to firestrike or charge, what can I possibly do.

[misty talon]

Tracer seems so ass unless ur like really good

[sudden bridge]

Well that's how she works in regular comp as well

[neon galleon]

Yeah that’s how Tracer normally works lol

[misty talon]

no like

[humble steppe]

is anyone else getting like no progress in stadium? i get 30-60 from wins

[misty talon]

in stadium shes really ass, not really any good powers and hit scan runs the dps role

[neon galleon]

She literally just got added to Stadium, at best people are in their fourth game playing her. That isn’t enough time to viably say how good she is. Besides there are some pretty good powers that she has

[analog ibex]

optimization is shitty in stadium ? i'm used to constant 200 fps but in stadium i have drops even if I set 144 max fps

[zenith igloo]

Does stadium have wide queue as a thing

[neon galleon]

I’m….pretty sure Comp limits how far apart 2 people can be by rank before it stops them from queuing together but I don’t think it currently stops groups from getting matched against solo queuers

Ok I just looked at the info, it doesn’t say anything about stopping groups from getting matched with those not in groups but starting in pro you can only group within 15 divisions, All-Star is 10 divisions and Legend is within 5 divisions

Also I’m starting to lean away from Quantum clip, the basically 10 extra ammo is helpful in getting kills but that lifesteal doesn’t really add much of value due to how weak Tracer’s individual shots are

Yeah it doesn’t take items that boost your mag size into account, it always gives you 10 more to her mag size

[finite dock]

So they added ban in custom but not in ranked

[neon galleon]

Probably cause they know the player base would absolutely riot if they added it to rank due to the general response to disabling mirror matches

[finite dock]

Yeah cause the pool is too small right now

Maybe they'll add the ban in ranked in two or three seasons idk

[neon galleon]

Ok so it looks like Foresight does actually scale how many bullets get the auto aim based on how much you’re increasing your mag size

Though it seems to scale higher than damage would

Tracer gets to 95% mag increase at best and instead of the auto aim turning off at about 11 shots it’s instead turning off at about 18

And as is the norm for these auto aims it seems, they automatically headshot Dva mech and Genji since their headshot hit boxes are at center mass

Or at least close enough for the game to count it

I do find it funny though that at 88 ammo, which is all of her mag upgrades plus quantum mag active and with 10% WP since her exclusive mag item has that as well, a full mag to Dva Mech’s head is almost enough to one mag it

It is also enough to just outright kill Hog with headshots

Meanwhile 75% WP with the base 40 and without spider or closer isn’t enough to do it on headshots

No wait max mag can 1 mag Dva mech, some of the shots just didn’t hit the head since I wasn’t close enough

[hasty mortar]

Tracers mini ult triggers the over health from iridescent iris and biolight overflow

[neon galleon]

Well then-

Also I have made the discovery on the receiving end that Tracer’s weakness of needing more survival items gets immediately removed with a pocket mercy build-

[neon galleon]

I am also finding that helix Soldier can be a pretty reliable Tracer counter

[sudden bridge]

Well yeah he counters everyone by instagibbing anyone not a tank

As to mercy well yeah she provides that to everyone provided you can get a mercy to actively pocket you

Which Im guessing if you have anyone else more viable they wouldn’t assuming the other dps is soldier, cass Frey they’d still hold priority and pocketing a tracer is going to put a mercy in some bad positions

[humble steppe]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/stadium-competitive-rank-progression-still-bugged/982537/10

Fix this

[flint oasis]

Even tho its too early, is tracer decent in stadium?

[acoustic kiln]

very.

[stark cloud]

Tracer build?

[crystal light]

guys, does winton primary fire count as beams

[acoustic kiln]

it should

[crystal light]

ok thanks1

[nocturne sandal]

tracer flight before gta6

[paper mantle]

excuse me?? Pharah's triple rocket does not reduce the damage at all

it's 3 full damage rockets

[sudden bridge]

havn't lost to any yet

about 5 played againist

[sudden bridge]

yes

[fallow socket]

probably alsso alot of ppl trying tracer in stadium while not being tracer mains

[fallow socket]

wtf

mustve got bugged cause it definitely wasnt this before

[nocturne sandal]

Does charged plating work too? (the common one that gives you armor)

[fallow socket]

yup

[paper mantle]

definitely, because it says it reduces the damage to 40%, but i got 1shot by it through crusader hydraulics at 300hp

so i went in the practice range and tested, and indeed they do 100% dmg

[fallow socket]

its dumb broken i just went thru a qp game with it

triple volley + jet dash cd + extra concuss

and 50 wp

you delete everyone

actually dont take jeet dash cd the power is so troll i just took it for more abilities lol

[paper mantle]

nah you take homing

[fallow socket]

doesnt homing only work on one of the 3 rockets

[paper mantle]

no, it definitely works on all 3

[stark cloud]

Holy fuck

Got a Tracer in my team that ended the match with 120K

[fallow socket]

thats stupid busted lmao

i swear it also used to only work on one

[paper mantle]

Tracer is also very busted
1shot pulse bomb every 15 seconds is really dumb

[crystal light]

i keep getting inferior tracer in my team, sadge

[acoustic kiln]

might be a bit early to call it but tracer is for sure the best dps

if not top 3

[fallow socket]

yeap tracer w stadium items is just busted

the powers are cool but shes just op for being tracer

[acoustic kiln]

i was looking back at the roadmaps to see if i could guess which characters are coming next season

from the silhouettes i can see bap, hanzo, echo and doomfist

and obviously we know sojourn is coming next season(oh god sojourn tracer.)

if i was to guess i'd probably say bap, sojourn and doomfist with wuyang in the midseason

[acoustic kiln]

theres somebody else in the picture behind bap but i just cant tell who it is

nvm thats just hazard

[fallow socket]

echo would be really cool

so many things to do with her

[next arrow]

Phara in stadium is bugged. Her triple shot that homes in on targets is hitting at full power for all 3 shots. It is being fully abused in comp and just strait up un beatable. 3 AUTO locking rockets in quick succession with A mercy attached... it just GG nothing you can do. I will not touch Stadium comp until its fixed.

[solar hedge]

So that's what keeps oneshotting me out of nowhere!

I thought something was up with it

I also love having teammates scream at me that I'm "picking the wrong items" in stadium.. (sarcasm)

[humble steppe]

they can be right tho

[solar hedge]

Yea no. That's not how you play the game. The point of stadium is that you choose how to play, nobody can tell you what to choose lol

[neon galleon]

Are they yelling it at you because they don’t like how you’re playing or because you’re picking items that make no sense on the character or what you’re trying to do? One is just being an ass the other has some justification even if they’re being an ass with that justification and definitely could have explained in a significantly nicer way.

[solar hedge]

Okay so I was trying out an AP Cass build in quickplay of all things, because.. ya know, no SR on the line.

And I was getting screamed at because I.. and I quote, "didn't pick all the anti air items for the mercy"

Essentially "you're not tryharding in the way I specifically want in my qp game, try harder!"

I mean, I am a legend dps as is. I know what I'm doing, but even if I didn't have a clue what I was doing and was just trying things out, that seems harsh for new players too.

[neon galleon]

Yeah then they’re just being an ass, even in comp AP Cass is at least useable since he has enough AP related stuff, flashbang, I believe one of his powers makes Roll deal AP damage to anyone you roll into and of course Deadeye which would also let you use that one item that gives you extra money for deadeye kills.

More useable than AP Reaper at least

[solar hedge]

Not only that, there's an OP version. If you can get the kills to make it work, you get 25% ult charge on kills after you hit them with your stun, and you get another 25% ult charge for deadeye elims.

So you can technically get a full ult off of every ult if you kill 4.

[solar hedge]

I got to legend with AP Reaper specifically x3

[solar hedge]

Mix this with the perk that gives you 100 AP shield during your ult, and it is hard to counter

AP Reaper is actually my go to, since you can generate insane cash with it

[neon galleon]

My problem with it is it’s inconsistency, plus you can’t even immediately start death stepping until round 3 since trying to do death step for rounds 1 and 2 is just asking to get killed

[solar hedge]

Well yea, that's what my build is based around. You scale WP for the first two rounds to build cash up to 20K, and deceive the enemy team into thinking you're going pure damage, then swap to AP round 3

[humble steppe]

there still are builds that just are objectively better than others

if someone is just spamming random items and powers that can be a problem

im not the type to complain to others ab their build but i fully understand people who do that

[solar hedge]

Well, it's a good thing I wasn't doing that then

[hasty mortar]

Stadium gameplay is something to behold I just had a game with 17k heals on reaper and I literally just cycled death step fade death step fade ult death step repeat

[neon galleon]

Too bad most of it won’t count for your money since Reaper’s natural lifesteal got excluded from cash gain

[hasty mortar]

But shared siphon heals does so u can kinda make it work

[neon galleon]

Last I saw talk of siphon it can only heal 1 person at a time and it auto defaults to whoever has the lowest health, not necessarily who is about to eat the most shit.

[hasty mortar]

Yeah but in a game your doing 15k DMG a round that one person stays alive pretty well

[neon galleon]

Still to me it requires too much team coordination to be viable in anything except a group that you know will stick by you to take advantage of siphon healing them. Especially since for both WP and AP Reaper there are definitely powers I feel have higher priority than Siphon.

[rapid rose]

why did my friend just get a 5 year ban for saying “cree do you want to stop playing with your feet?”

legit his first ban he had like 40h in the game

[hasty mortar]

My order is strangle step, death step, wraith renewal and then shared siphon

[hasty mortar]

I have 1200 hrs and I've never gotten anything worse than a 15 min comp suspension for crashing I honestly don't understand how people can get even temp banned

[sudden bridge]

Easy say racist or homophobic stuff in chat and you’ll be gone quickly

[hasty mortar]

Just avoid slurs and your fine bro

[sudden bridge]

Right many people can’t help themselves

Actually now anytime you see chat that says report and click it there’s like an extremely high probability you get a ban.

[hexed arch]

finally found good sigma build

3 time mvp streak, 5k heal, and no one can kill me

[hasty mortar]

You say diff and it says it's reportable what happened to old gaming when u could scream slurs at the top of ur lungs and no one would bat an eye

[sudden bridge]

Different time

[hasty mortar]

Bring that time back like how do u get so offended by words

[sudden bridge]

Different time gaming used to be like 13 year old white boys on a 14.4k modem. Now it’s multi national streaming publicly you have ad revenue new laws tons of changes

Cant go back you're in the era where you are going to be polite and pay 30 dollars for skins

[neon galleon]

Does it involve permanent regenerating barrier, mini barrier, and the item that makes your barriers heal any ally, including yourself, that’s near them?

[hexed arch]

yeah

[quaint briar]

my ashe is so scared to push up and its making me annoyed

[quaint briar]

we are all on point

Shes standing on top and not koving

we are losing this bro

[quaint briar]

i take it Back

[fallow socket]

so does this give double healing? like 6%/s from 2 barriers

[neon galleon]

Yes, it stacks

[fallow socket]

crazy

[neon galleon]

It also stacks with Martian Mender to basically give you 9%/s

[fallow socket]

also youve seen the pharah bugs right

triple rocket being full damage and also homing now affecting all 3 rocket

[neon galleon]

I haven’t, either the Pharah’s I have fought recently aren’t using it because they don’t want to/don’t know how to or they just never target me

[fallow socket]

surprised ppl havent caught on then yet its been a day

its broken as hell

[coarse arch]

was there a patch today?

ooooof i totally missed the notes, thanks

[nocturne sandal]

250 Overhealth and 25 Armor per recall + stacks with ultimate 💀

[coarse arch]

patch notes very underwhelming for statdium

[hasty mortar]

I just went phara and the enemy team went ashe soldier sig Juno Moira wtf

[fallow socket]

take triple rockets homing not a single character can survive

[paper mantle]

it's not fixed yet? wtf

wait, it's "fixed" actually 😂

can't post a screenshot for whatever reason (this server does some very weird things) but Pharah doesn't have the 3 rocket power anymore

[fallow socket]

damn i was just using it a few hrs ago

[lime sparrow]

is utlity dps tracer (recall build) good in stadium?

[compact vigil]

I can't play Competitive Stadium?
It's telling me to beat a certain challenge that I already did?

[livid marsh]

where did this go for pharah? i can't find it for some reason, the 3 primary rockets

[hasty mortar]

they removed it for now i tried to

[hasty mortar]

really good the items that say they do something when you spend your ult charge work on her mini bomb

[lime sparrow]

which ones are your favorite?

[kind cosmos]

Samee

Go to challenges and click stadium specifically

Not competitve

We have to play 10 games of casual

*win

[compact vigil]

I see it. Thank you.

Only want to play Stadium Competitive just for the Reinhardt skin

[kind cosmos]

No worries!

[compact vigil]

Dumb question to ask but Stadium Quick Play does not give competitive points, right? I somehow have 100 points.
I also do not play regular competitive.

[fallow socket]

removed because it was bugged and shot 3 full rockets not 3 weaker rockets

[fallow socket]

it used to back when stadium didnt have a quickplay but if youve only played since quick play then idk thats odd

[livid marsh]

lmao i knew it was too good to be true

[dusky slate]

does reinhardt suck in the later rounds because after like round 3 everyone seems to be out damaging me like its hard for me too survive, I feel like I die really fast also

[humble steppe]

skill issue

[neon galleon]

It depends, charge and Fire strikes will always be deadly in an AP build no matter what round it is but you have to balance it out with defensive stuff since the only thing baseline Rein has to keep his hp safe is his barrier and even one of his healing powers requires barrier to be out. WP Rein though will struggle if he is facing characters that can keep him from getting in like Lucio or Cass but if left unchecked he can just rampage through a team.

[cloud badger]

anyone know any league or tournament for stadium mode going on?

[modern hawk]

i dont wanna wait in a 12 minute queue just to go against a tracer 😭

[livid marsh]

i thought you were able to look at people's builds in a replay, did that change?

[misty talon]

Why is they so many bots when I'm in allstar 1 ?😭

[humble steppe]

whats wrong with tracer

[modern hawk]

idk if its a skill issue but she feels so oppressive

[neon galleon]

Who do you usually play as?

[modern hawk]

juno

[neon galleon]

That’s probably why, you don’t have a lot that really scares Tracer aside from potentially Torpedo but she can easily break the targeting thanks to blink and recall.

[modern hawk]

well idk what to do about that

[proven knot]

well

ig you could play a diff support. also could invest more in survival