stadium-discussion

[neon galleon]

Tanks with a bunch of armor still probably won’t care about her dps output

[proven knot]

And every dps should be choosing that green item that gives armor regardless

[neon galleon]

Plus dps like Ashe, Genji, and Mei already have pretty good ways to get a fair bit of armor

Cass can and will delete Tracer if she mistimes an attack, and while Reaper and Junkrat don’t have reliable ways to get armor….Tracer still has to be careful with them

[proven knot]

ok lets not get too crazy with rat

[sudden bridge]

On the bright side with drafts you’ll start to realize the “correct” pick.

[neon galleon]

Still how well do you think it’ll go for Tracer if Junkrat notices her before she can get close enough for a burst to kill him?

[proven knot]

depends. Tracer has the tools to outplay and she should

[sudden bridge]

Drafting helps even the playing between skilled players and less experienced with making proper choices

Enemy team goes Ashe Anna JQ now you know your super rewarded for going Kiri

[neon galleon]

Still the dps and tank category shouldn’t have too hard of a time dealing with Tracer, even some of the supports don’t struggle as bad as one might think on closer inspection. Ana is still gonna get shitted on though sadly-

[sudden bridge]

Where as a mirror match just comes down to whose the better player but overwatch has always been a game about making better choices

[proven knot]

actually

ana can easily get like 600hp in a match with no survival items

she has a power for it

[sudden bridge]

Tracer can out skill any pick with enough skill the odds of you running into that tracer in your stadium game is basically 0

[neon galleon]

That still takes a fair bit of time, time Tracer might not let Ana have. Still find it kinda funny though that Zen, a character known for having a fair few problems dealing with dive attempts, can unironically have better survival odds against dive attempts in stadium than Ana-

[sudden bridge]

Well zen can one cycle people

[neon galleon]

In Stadium Zen can also get a self orb, healing anyone with the orb via damage, and can get part of the damage anyone with discord orb does to him healed back

[sudden bridge]

So not really surprising and can basically get a get out of jail free card half time

Of course Anna can counter zen ult with one cool down so kinda makes sense

[novel crag]

I am officially done with Stadium. The inherent lack of true matchmaking makes majority of my matches unenjoyable. And I hate that all the team’s focus is on this mode.

[lusty ermine]

I mean they made it comedically less fun to play

[neon galleon]

Eh quick play is still pretty fun

[fallow socket]

and the kick lol

[neon galleon]

Yeah, point is due to the stuff in Stadium Zen unironically can deal with dive better than Ana, and usually it’s the inverse that’s true

Also I have discovered the joy of getting pinned by Rein as a Brig and immediately uno reversing death onto him cause I was currently rallying

[snow inlet]

what does ability power do for mercy?

[fallow socket]

it only boosts her powers

without powers it does nothing

[zealous escarp]

For some reason shield stampede is fucking up the camera for charge on Rein

In third person

[snow inlet]

oh ty

[compact flare]

What is the Brigitte's build that you are most liking? I tryed shift build, but idk if it is good. Maybe I just have to get used to it

[plain lantern]

The items they give u to deal with flying heroes are very underwhelming and they do nothing to heroes that struggle with flyers

[shadow onyx]

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[fathom ermine]

anyone know if theres a timer threshold for damage taken with divine intervention or if it only works on really really big hits? i cant imagine it's the latter since only a few things in the game can proc it if so (150 premitigated damage)

[wild marsh]

Did anyone else not receive their stadium rewards from last season? I never got the charm or the title for reaching all Star.

[pallid reef]

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[fallow socket]

I didn’t either but I believe they’re aware

[ancient vortex]

^ boosting this as im also missing my legend cosmetics from last season

[paper mantle]

Winston can literally do nothing to you if you have inner peace and enlightenment, moira either, mei can struggle, so does dva, pretty much the only dive hero who's a danger is genji because he's high burst

[proven knot]

ok draft actually ruined stadium wtf

this shit is unplayable

[paper mantle]

draft is trash, no one asked for it, no one needed it

[proven knot]

takes like 5 minutes to even start a match

its so stupid

[paper mantle]

it solves no existing problems and creates a bunch of new ones

gg Blizz

[proven knot]

ya im just legit not gonna play rhe mode anymore

not worth

[neon galleon]

…..I don’t think my statement was really something that needed you to say how much of an easier time Zen has fighting against dive…also why is Moira and Mei even on that list?? Dva still has micro missiles/heavy missiles for burst which can apply cyber venom to weaken your healing, and Winston is I’d say currently debatable on being able to kill Zen at that stage

Especially if you include all the electric damage Winston can potentially stack up on someone

….which also somehow made a Dva, Soldier, Genji, Kiri, and Juno have a hard time killing me-

[paper mantle]

winston can't do anything, his damage is so low that he can't even dent your health bar, you have more hps than his dps if you don't miss your shots

and he's got nothing to remove discord either

[neon galleon]

He has an item to allow jump to cleanse

[paper mantle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you apply discord after he jumps on you

[neon galleon]

Also even if he can’t up his gun damage and the electric damage he can make both his regular bubble and the mini personal bubble he can get do enough damage to kill a Zen…nothing is stopping him from just….sending the Zen over to the other side of the map with ult

[paper mantle]

again, you can tank his entire ult and kill him through it

very fun to do

[neon galleon]

The question is less he is targeting you with the ult and more where he is sending you to

also he has an item to make his ult do electric damage and it gives primal rage a 50% damage boost

[paper mantle]

now, a bunch of silver ranks (with legend internal mmr) might not be playing him right, but he was never a threat in all the matches i played

[neon galleon]

Were they going all in on his electric damage? Cause that’s what I did and it got to the point of where every time I dove onto that team I stayed way longer than I should have and I just refused to die as due to them being bunched up my primary was doing more damage than normal due to one of my powers + my other power that makes my electric damage give me overhealth just kept filling up faster than they could really hurt me. My supports were probably healing me then though but one of them said that I didn’t really need it

[paper mantle]

i dunno lol, all i know is past round 3 none of them ever killed me 1v1

[neon galleon]

Did they go in and out of the bubble to split the damage between the 2?

[paper mantle]

yes, i just push into them, kick them out of bubble and send them back to the spawn

[neon galleon]

Were there any electric sparks from the bubble itself?

[paper mantle]

no idea

[neon galleon]

They might not have been using a full electric build then, cause you can stack a bunch of it up since the overhealth power also increases all electric damage a bit

And if you get right into someone’s face with the mini bubble and you have the power that makes the bubble electrocute any enemy inside it you can get both bubbles to damage the same person

That would be about base 80 damage a second without the overhealth power or any AP

[paper mantle]

not a threat if i heal for 100+ hps

[neon galleon]

…..I said base for a reason

Cause remember, that’s not including any AP, the overhealth power, or the Winston’s own gun being used

[paper mantle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

in my experience they die, i don't

[neon galleon]

Still shouldn’t be ruled out as a possibility until fully tested, after all I had an entire team just outright fail to kill me whenever I jumped in

And the soldier had like 60% WP with codebreaker at the end

[paper mantle]

Zen damage is crazy, especially with discord inferno headshots, i'm often the highest damage score on the team

[oak mason]

how are you guys countering aimbot soldier? Its making my stadium-less enjoying friends go insane

[paper mantle]

be near a corner when fighting a soldier, if you see him shoot a rocket just dip

[fathom ermine]

usually requires a tank to soak up the damage while ur team focusfires him, rein excels at it

[oak mason]

well like last game he is usually on a flank and kills so quick u cant react

i was thinking maybe overdrive core (epic survival item) would be decent against it?

[paper mantle]

well watch your flanks

[oak mason]

so basically skill issue lmao, fair

[paper mantle]

always have an escape plan

i mean, it's aimbot (following a homing rocket most of the time no less), it's stupid but there's not much you can do about it besides not being in his line of sight

[oak mason]

fair, i was just wondering if there was any things you could actually buy to counter it

ig just more armour

[paper mantle]

crusader hydraulics help a little if you have shields, divine intervention can also help

but you really need to gtfo either way because of the insane damage you take

[oak mason]

I SEE

oops caps

but yeah ig just gotta be extra careful, or just go divine intervention and overdrive core for a billion overshields

thanks

[neon galleon]

I just realized I haven’t even tested to see what on Winston can trigger cyber venom

[paper mantle]

anything that does ability damage

[robust rivet]

is it me or is drafting not that bad

[paper mantle]

i say it's pretty bad

[void widget]

this update ruined stadium

[compact flare]

I love draft

I hated losing a match before it even started because of terrible matchup

[hasty mortar]

has anyone else not gotten their legend title yet i know i finneshed legend tank

[proven knot]

i havent :/

[empty phoenix]

Man the new draft system is just bad

Like bad bad

This is a case of fixing what isn't broke

[vapid stone]

14 minutes supportqueuein casual

man :C

[gentle kraken]

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[sharp fossil]

Not sure what that has to do with stadium tbh

I have a question about the play like Luka event challenge debut is it supposed to be headshots hit or is it bugged?

[crimson nymph]

whats the most braindead and self-playing champ I can play

[hot drum]

Moira

Make a orb build and then shoot orbs

[crimson nymph]

tried it , doesnt do much cuz the orbs shoot in a wave instead of straight

[neon galleon]

You’d be surprised how devastating it can be with cyber venom and liquid nitrogen

Plus Moira has an item to extend the orb’s tendril range and an item to make them slow down some more when they’re attacking or healing someone

[compact flare]

Just a bot spamming ads. Idk who do I ping tho

[left flint]

Payload race is delicious. About to prove how wea dps players be with my Pharah. No way these teams are covering both ground and air this seamlessly...

[spark portal]

when they add hog add perk that resets hook cd on kill Plz

[paper mantle]

draft is not the solution for this, specific matchup hero items are

there's no problem you can't solve with hero items

or hero powers, even

less meme shit, more powers that actually are an answer to problem matchups

[compact flare]

Yeah, this type of solution is manageable for now. But what about when there is more hero on stadium?

[paper mantle]

the whole cast could be in, it wouldn't make a difference

any problematic matchup can be solved with hero items or powers that change certain properties to mitigate those "counters"

moreover, this makes the game more interesting because your builds are less monolithic and need to vary according to the matchup you have in front of you

which is like, the entire point of stadium in the first place

so draft is bad and needs to be put where it belongs

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-trash-rubbish-dumpsterthrow-dumsta-gif-21944659

[compact flare]

Force you into a build because you are being countered is also pretty bad imo. I do loved the draft and how it was done. Only thing I would change would be to allow mirror matches

Does the casual mode also have drafts? I haven't played it yet

[stark cloud]

No

[compact flare]

It could be that me liking the draft is because i'm already used to it from other mobas. From my understanding, this is totally new to ow, right?

[paper mantle]

it is

[paper mantle]

you're not forced into anything, you would just have the option to

you can still play who and how you want to play

compared to draft where the actual hero you want to play can just get banned (if they implement that) or picked away from you

core tenet of stadium should be to be able to play any hero you picked and be viable in any situation

[sudden bridge]

Id disagree like the if you go orisa into my zarya your at a nassive disadvantage same with pharaoh into hit scan it doesn't matter what items you pick

[compact flare]

I don't agree with it.
There are hero that are countered by others. In normal matches you can just switch heroes, in stadium you can't but don't need to be forced to play bad match up

[sudden bridge]

And anyone can see those items and counter that a flawed pick is a flawed pick draft helps bridge the gap between a game where the better team generally wins

Smart picks can help the teams facing a mechanical disadvantage but it's up to you and your team if you want to actually interact with the system

I've already had a handful of games where enemy tank picks fifth and our tank could counter but doesnt then proceeds to lose. Now picking the counter doesn't guarantee the W but it sure the heck would have probably helped

Draft has the potential to provide better games overall but if the community isn't going to properly interact with the system then sure it's going to function like dogshit

[paper mantle]

i'll repeat it again, any problematic matchup can be solved with hero items or powers that change certain properties to mitigate those "counters"

and it's very easy to design for such things if you understand hero limitations

[sudden bridge]

But to can't solve it that way becuase some classes are just inherently better at doing a role

Even the patch note showed mei suffers against fliers them adding one item didn't help nor would you pick mei to begin with

If you see they pick frey pharmacy and you pick mei when it's your turn ur effective trolling the team

No items change that

You might win by your team out skilling them but at the cost of you being effectively useless

The draft system is independent of items same as league

You can mitigate problems with items won't change the base disavantagee

The point of the draft is to provide each team with some strengths and weaknesses from a base standpoint then build out from there

[paper mantle]

you're just not creative in item or power abilities

that's a good example, here's an example of item or power that would help mei or any projectile heroes against flyers

-projectiles gain homing properties when fired at a flying target

there, suddenly mei can harass flyers with M2, Zen becomes a menace, Orisa/Pharah/etc become threatening for flyers, etc

obviously that's OP but you get the idea

[sudden bridge]

The issue is people don't like the draft because they just don't like the draft but a draft is designed to actually help casual players

Okay that night be fine if they push items out like that but realistically that won't happen

Which is why they likely added the draft

[paper mantle]

the solution to hero balance is not "don't play this hero", that's terrible design

[sudden bridge]

I mean no one said you cant you just face the consequencs of your decision

Like if you see the team needs Kiri and you go Lucio you do you but if you lose dont be super surprised either

[paper mantle]

well here's better design, give heroes the tools to craft a build that allows them to be competitive in any situation

[sudden bridge]

They couldn't even release pve the odds of getting that is low

Which means you can interact with this system or not but you'll probably give yourself a worse game

Like yesterday they ran pharaoh into our Ashe soldier Juno and they asked why the game doesnt havea concide option

[paper mantle]

all the hours they put into that draft system could've been put into designing matchup mitigating items and powers

and would've cost less too, probably

[compact flare]

Have an item that voids a hero usefulness is much worse imo

[sudden bridge]

Ashe andsoldier first picked so maybe don't run that

[paper mantle]

bad design

[sudden bridge]

I mean I cant stop you from picking it but the game was effectively worse for everyone

[paper mantle]

make a game that works instead of removing what doesn't work from a game

[sudden bridge]

But draft already does work and it's worked in games with a small roaster

[paper mantle]

there's no item that can void a whole hero unless that item is overwhelmingly overpowered

[compact flare]

Then you would still be countered

[paper mantle]

lol no? what is this logic

[compact flare]

By void, I mean usefulness of a hero in countering another

[paper mantle]

oh

well that's a GOOD thing

for both players

[sudden bridge]

Id wait and see if they can even stick to the current promises like a hero every season before worrying about whether they can balance base line hero disavantages with items

Not to mention draft already resolves most of the concern albit in a way you don't like

[paper mantle]

in a way a lot of people don't like

people like playing who they want to play, and not being able to really hurts a lot of players

and honestly, i went all the way to legend on Zenyatta and I had no real matchup problems even with all the flyers available, and pretty much no games were lost at character select either so i don't know what problems draft is solving here

[sudden bridge]

Well I mean what rank are you in normal comp

[paper mantle]

none, i don't play it

[sudden bridge]

Suppose that's fair though stadium doesnt particularly have the same skill level of people id imagine if you ran into like masters pharahs and Freys you'd have thought differently

[paper mantle]

so, if there's no problem in stadium, what are we solving here with a draft system?

[sudden bridge]

Zens like kinda unique with discors you can probably always provide more value then lost

Do it again on say phara now see how that goes

You might feel differently across the roaster list

[compact flare]

Besides adding more skill expression to the game, you are also avoiding adding being stuck in a overwhelmed disadvantage.

[sudden bridge]

I think of the draft like broccoli lots of people don't like it but it's good for you so eat it anyways

In a few months you'll barely even remeber it anymore

[paper mantle]

here's some tech, discord fever + liquid nitrogen does wonders to mitigate flyers

it's almost like there's already items in the game that allow you to deal with this

[sudden bridge]

Yeah nitrogen is always stupid

My bud is master zen so yeah we haven't had any issues

But I pick hitscan anyways

[sharp storm]

did they re enable mirrors?

got 3 mirrors in this game lol

[paper mantle]

because i won't be playing it if this draft crap stays

i'll just go play Deadlock

[sudden bridge]

Qp has mirrors

[sharp storm]

we are in ranked

or were in ranked anyway

[trail lotus]

it's so scuffed

[sharp storm]

servers died

[sudden bridge]

Deadlock has a draft though

[trail lotus]

YES

[paper mantle]

not in ranked, you pick 1 or multiple heroes to queue with, and you get thrown into a game

[trail lotus]

THE WAR IS OVER

MIRROR HAS BEEN DISABLED

[sudden bridge]

Okay but effectively your still drafting

It just isn't back and forth

[paper mantle]

huh? How is drafting "skill expression"?

[paper mantle]

well not at all, you can pick 1 hero if you want, and always get put into a game no matter what, with any comp

[sudden bridge]

Well so it's just making you wait til you get placed in a game that has an opening for what you drafted?

You still cant have a mirror though so your just cucking someone else

I played deadlock 🙂

[compact flare]

Knowing what is best for a situation and choose is a form skill expression. Similar to items decisions. The problem with items is there is a limit on how much you can restrict and still call it skill expression instead of linear build by itself

[sudden bridge]

You're just blind drafting with the option of waiting

[paper mantle]

so not drafting at all

[neon galleon]

Alright so I did some tests, Brig’s shield throw and Winston’s Tesla field are able to trigger cyber venom and liquid nitrogen

[compact flare]

Draft also let you help your teammates better. By fulfilling a weakness they would have

[paper mantle]

as much skill expression as knowing rock beats scissors beats paper beats rock

[sudden bridge]

Well I mean it's still draft it's just a poor one

[paper mantle]

pretty much expected, as long as it's ability damage it'll work

[sudden bridge]

The draft phase doesn’t give playera information about enemy picks, synergies, or team comp balance at the expense of you can play the hero you want

[paper mantle]

or, you can do that through items and powers

[sudden bridge]

Which is objectively worse

[compact flare]

That is similar to saying that fps skill expression is just a pointing and click. It isn't that simple

[paper mantle]

you got some objective facts to go with that?

[sudden bridge]

So basically it s a blind draft that lets you pick the hero you want at the cost of your team

[paper mantle]

there's no draft in ranked Deadlock queue, why are we even discussing this

[thin inlet]

too many drafts have AFK teammates or enemies

its crazy

[compact flare]

Yeah, but there is a limit on how much you can limit and still call skill expression. You can't fit all in the build.
You still want to leave as much room for choices. Putting it all on items/powers would limit it even more

[sudden bridge]

Dunno deadlock is dying anywaus

[paper mantle]

kekw

anyway

[sudden bridge]

Well I guess you'll have to play deadlock

[paper mantle]

yeah well that's where the skill and knowledge comes in, picking the right items according to the situation

do you wanna boost your already strong traits, or do you want to be more well-rounded to be able to deal with more situations

[sudden bridge]

Or get used to this

[sudden bridge]

Both

[paper mantle]

can't have both, that's the beauty of it

you have limited item/power slots

[compact flare]

Yeah, exactly. But I think there is a limit on how much items you want to make "right" for the situation

I also think I like draft because I like ball mei, but I would rather not play mei again a team of flyers

[paper mantle]

well, some hero designs have very well defined flaws so you don't need to add a million different items to fix those

just a few that give you tools to reduce the lopsidedness of unfavorable matchups

[sudden bridge]

Heh you can do mirrors in stadium now

It's a bug but go wild

Standard blizzard

[compact flare]

You mean 2 of the same heroes in the same team?

[sudden bridge]

Yeah

[compact flare]

Yeah, you just have to pick both at the same time hahahaha

My friends did that yesterday, we lost

But it was funny

[frosty pivot]

am i the only one who liked drafts?

[thin inlet]

i only get games that are complete steamrolls right now

its so boring

[compact flare]

No, I liked it too

[sudden bridge]

I like it kinda but I don't think this community can handle ot it

[left dirge]

They brought mirrors back

Life is good

[sudden bridge]

It's bugged

[left dirge]

One of the developers said they are changing it, he post it today on Twitter

[sudden bridge]

Unless you found an official post on it

Can you link that

https://x.com/aaronkellerOW/status/1961143424532582740

Nvm you are correct

[left dirge]

Life is amazing

[left dirge]

Sent it to dm

[sudden bridge]

Okay so they disabled draftt

Becuase it basically serves no point now

[left dirge]

Not sure if completely the darft but we are getting mirrors back 100%

[sudden bridge]

Other then making you wait and seeing the pick

[paper mantle]

no mirrors with such a shallow hero pool wasn't the smartest thing to do

[compact flare]

I still don't wanna pick mei against Juno, mercy and pharah

[sudden bridge]

Yeah true though you might as well just wash the whole thing since removing mirrors was the primary objective

[dark crane]

it serves ?

[gaunt sorrel]

2 days into the season and they already bring back mirror matching lmao

[sudden bridge]

Figured they would fold but the arguments made no sense

Like people that could only play two heroes would say there’s not enough of an a roaster

[pseudo sedge]

i liked no mirrors a lot tbh

[pseudo sedge]

this can easily be true for someone (I personally like playing a lot of different things, ftr). Just because someone only likes 1-2 heroes, doesnt mean they want to face the same 5 enemy heroes every game. Especially if the 1-2 heroes they like are hard countered by a large % of the available roster

[proven condor]

they need to hotfix nerf pharah she is insanely overpowered wtf were they thinking?

[compact flare]

I think it is mainly because hero pool in stadium is already small. And I don't see ow players playing a lot of heroes

I normally play a single hero for some time before switching to other at least

[neon galleon]

If the Pharah can aim. Direct hit rockets are the main problem but anyone with a sudden movement ability like swift strike or shield bash can easily dodge lock on rocket and force it into at least just splash damage. Besides a soldier or Cassidy with good aim is still going to rip the Pharah apart. Freja can also chase Pharah down with her better mobility and even Genji can use his wall climb and swift strike to get a few dragon blade swings off on her. It’s mainly the heroes that have no easy way to get to her that will struggle most, and even then some may have some way to get some damage off

[misty talon]

For dvas party protector do u get the overhealth aswell?

[neon galleon]

Yes so long as you’re in its radius

Generally speaking if it specifically says allies it can include yourself

[misty talon]

Yea I was confused on allies, I never got the overhealth while in it so I thought allies only meant teammates

[zealous escarp]

Me and the other support are both brig

[acoustic kiln]

lille faelde freja in quickplay feels so good

i dont have to wait all game to do good i can just do it round 2

[lusty ermine]

Im playing a double brig game with 2 brigs on my team this is stupidly bugged

[paper mantle]

wait until it's double Kiriko with double suzu each

[stark cloud]

Bring back Hero Restrictions 🙏

This is not my stadium anymore

[young kernel]

Bruh this draft system is so fucked. Now the team that picks first is at a massive disadvantage

Damn whiners

Shoulda kept it how it was

Incompetent ass devs. God i hate the overwatch team with all my heart

[misty talon]

Why do I get so little points now for winning?

[zealous escarp]

Like rank points or currency points for items?

[hexed arch]

why rein charge feels weird now in stadium

can someone tell me how to fix it

like if i go right while charging the camera not following my movement

oh wait

its because i choose the shield stampede

can i fix it?

can someone help me

[paper mantle]

this is bugged as fuck lol

players getting their hero switched by the game without consent

[viral thunder]

yup just got it happened to me

we had 2 lucios

when we both pick different heroes

i cant send pics

pls if y'all actually read this fix the game

[sudden kindle]

i feel this

i picked mercy and so did the other support

i had selected her first, game check marked it like id picked but it forced me off her twice and i was then bugged onto zen

[viral thunder]

i picked mercy and was stuck playing lucio

[sudden kindle]

and stuck on zen bc of draft pick

its so lame

like actually the worst possible thing

[viral thunder]

same

[sudden kindle]

theyve ever added

just remove it atp theres so many bugs

and stadium was fine before this shitty draft

[viral thunder]

agreed

[tidal yoke]

wiat did they remove the drafts

[sudden kindle]

no they havent

sadly

[viral thunder]

no

[sudden kindle]

they removed the mirror pick ban

thats abt it

draft isnt fun, bc its js forced counter picking atp

[tidal yoke]

im so confused tho why does it say in the overwatch announcements you can mirror now

i dont understand

[sudden kindle]

stadium was more fun when nobody knew who was picking who

[sudden kindle]

thwey removed it

so you can have mirrors again

[tidal yoke]

i mean

its something

good

[sudden kindle]

check patch notes

i know

theres not enough heroes on the roster for no mirrors

[tidal yoke]

exactly

ugh i hate the draft SO MUCH

[sudden kindle]

its fine when 80% of heroes are in stadium bc theres more room

but not now

same i do too

[tidal yoke]

like the person who picks first has to suffer with the counter

[sudden kindle]

exactly

or make it so teams draft at the same time

no one after another

[tidal yoke]

omg idk why they didnt do that

[sudden kindle]

exactly

[tidal yoke]

it wouldve been such a better alternative

[sudden kindle]

if both teams draft, roles take turns

its easy fix

everyone is happy

bc if one tank picks first and the other picks last its gg

[tidal yoke]

thats how ive lost all my stadium games

[sudden kindle]

and atm its miserable trying to get out of rookie with all the players just farming lootboxes

i want my legend back

[tidal yoke]

OMG IK

[sudden kindle]

and my rewards from last season

AND LEAVE AS GROUP IS STILL BUGGED

someone told me it was fixed but thats a lie

bc it kicks me from a group checked or unchecked

[tidal yoke]

i hate

phara

so much

shes ok to deal with

i just despsise her

[sudden kindle]

she has some busted ass powers

[tidal yoke]

i literally am being tossed like a football when she bounces me around

i just wanna play ana 💔

[viral thunder]

stadium is so bugged its sad

[tidal yoke]

i love stadium more than qp but its torture playing it atm

[rapid rose]

can you 3 stack in stadium?

[tidal yoke]

i dont have any friends to test that out

[viral thunder]

yes you can

[rapid rose]

it says wide groups cannout queue?

[viral thunder]

?? mine was fine

are you all rookies?

[rapid rose]

one unranked

[viral thunder]

it should work then i am not sure

[rapid rose]

one is my friend on m&k on console tho

[viral thunder]

i don't think console can play with yall

[sudden kindle]

dude sm girlies have pretty profiles wth

yours is so gorg

my bad off topic

[tidal yoke]

did they not add the feature that console players will be on the kbm player pool if they had a kbm connected

[rapid rose]

figured it out

they just had to change some settings

[viral thunder]

ty my luv

[viral thunder]

nice

[viral thunder]

i have no idea but i heard about it

[forest coral]

honestly my rule for a while has been if im stacking with somebody and nobody is explicitly queueing tank i have to queue tank

and i otp dva in stadium

so my friends have never once had to struggle with a pharah in stadium

that hero genuinely cannot exist if im on the dva

[tall herald]

Can anyone tell me about the stadium gamemode I never played it

Like the basics

[unreal kelp]

overwatch but you pick powers and build up your character to be stronger over the course of multiple rounds in a match

[tall herald]

Ooo ok I played it once but all the abilities confused me lwk

[unreal kelp]

7 rounds first to 4 (unless you win 3 round in a row and have a 10k cash lead in which case mercy rule applies and you win)

pick powers on rounds 1, 3, 5 and 7

for the items you can buy and sell what you want to use at the start of each round

[tall herald]

Thanks

[tall herald]

Is there a website where I can see what the best abilities are

For each character

[flint oasis]

Is infinite torpedo build still good for juno

[fallow socket]

torp + blink boosts is still good even with all the nerfs imo

[flint oasis]

Is that still the best rn

Idk what to run on her ever since they nerfed that

[rapid rose]

whats the best support rn?

[fallow socket]

ive seen ppl experiment with weapon power but i dont see it working lol

so torps and blink boosts and mark of kitsune is still best imo

dont play to be a menace just play to output a lot of numbers

bro if juno got her major perk as a power weapon power could be worth trying

ive been playing like several hours of qp just machine gunning ppl

[flint oasis]

Why blinkboots

[fallow socket]

to proc on ability items

mark of the kitsune, lumerico, and

i forgot the name of that one rare item

[flint oasis]

Multitool?

Is that just a infinite fly builf

[fallow socket]

ironclad

no

these items have effects when u press ability

and juno blinkboosts + torpedoes are tons of ability activation

[flint oasis]

Ohhhh

[fallow socket]

it used to be op cause blinkboosts had like a 70% cd red or something but its nerfed to 40%

build is still good tho cause what else r u gonna run

[flint oasis]

So do i pick blinkboots first or two torps

[fallow socket]

two torpedoes

blinkboosts needs the expensive purple items

torps are easy money

[flint oasis]

What round do i pick blinkboots

[fallow socket]

should be 2nd power

[flint oasis]

Then i try to invest on the activation items

[fallow socket]

yea

[flint oasis]

What should be my 3rd and 4th power

[fallow socket]

3rd usually choose a power to reduce torpedo cooldown

cosmic coolant or the other one whatever u like more

[flint oasis]

Kk, tysm ill try this out

[compact flare]

it is just me, or does freja has tons of damage recently?

[fallow socket]

shes always hit pretty hard she's just broke all the time and cant scale

[flint oasis]

Is brig good in this gamemode i heard people say she can be a tank

[fallow socket]

all i seen her do is explode

ppl are still experimenting but she def has op builds

[sudden bridge]

With the draft potentialy all picks can be good

Junk can even get value if it he team comp and lineup are good

[forest lynx]

What even is the point of Drafts again?

[sudden bridge]

Some heroes just inherently end up being auto good

Well the original point was to prevent mirrors

[forest lynx]

But that obviously hasn't worked so why draft?

[sudden bridge]

Now the point is to allow counter picks

Well it was working they just folded

[forest lynx]

That's kinda mid af

Genuinely wouldn't wanna go back to Stadium with Draft enabled

[sudden bridge]

I mean now it’s just so you can counter pick and have some equal matchups

But what happens is they insta lock Winston 2nd pick

And your tank goes rein last pick

Because either the player base refuses to counter pick or they’re just that stupid

So yeah it’s basically pretty stupid

[forest lynx]

Honestly Drafting altogether is just dumb

[sudden bridge]

Drafting is pretty smart

It’s especially good for casual players if you’re using it correctly

Drafting shifts focus from deep mechanical skill to flexible thinking. Like they might have an experienced Winston but now you can counter pick him on the worse team and have an overall better game

[fallow socket]

gonna try chain grasping a winston i heard u can hit him thru his barrier

on moira

[sudden bridge]

Like they might have a good genji but now you know like okay moira Mei can solve or mitigate the dmg

And if those picks bother them you can counter them back

So if you utilize the draft correctly you at least make it harder for one or two experienced players to run away with the lobby

If you just pick whatever because you don’t give a shit then yup it’s a waste

[compact flare]

I like playing with her. I have been playing the rally build, it is pretty good if you don't explode firt. She doesn't have much in survival

Like, she does have, but she is really vulnerable to burst dmg

so if you got focused by a freja, and the other healer isn't paying attention

you are as good as dead

she does have a lot of dmg tho

so you can't kill a freja

if you manage to get close kek

[flint oasis]

I use that build too

I just explode if im not in a 1v1 tho🫩

[compact flare]

yeah, the instant you get focused you just die

I wonder if that melee attack heals item works with her

it should work

[flint oasis]

I dont think it does

Wait acutally it shoulf

[fallow socket]

gloom gauntlet does

not the common one tho

which is the same for rein i believe

[compact flare]

oh well, I guess that would be too strong

[hollow hollow]

Are there any other mercy players that have a really good mercy build to help a mercy player out?

[fallow socket]

weapon power still reigns supreme

even after crep circle was slaughtered

and threads hit

just take triage unit and supply surge instead of battle medic and crepuscular circle now

[hollow hollow]

Which one first between the two is better?

[fallow socket]

oh no threads of fate still first lol

[hollow hollow]

No I know that, I meant after lol

[fallow socket]

depends

if ur tank is dying triage

but if ur tank or dps is rolling id take supply surge

[hollow hollow]

Understandable

[fallow socket]

idk i tried whambulance but u still need to invest in ur staff so its like hybrid

just doing too much just go w weapon power

and i havent seen anyone use the tourniquet lol

[fallow socket]

supply surge works with threads u can buff 2 ppl at once

[rapid rose]

anyone have a really good mercy build?

[fallow socket]

yea, threads + supply surge + triage

same weapon power items as last season’s build

advanced nanobiotics amari antidote etc

[rapid rose]

can you not play the same hero as the enemy btw?

[fallow socket]

you can now they reenabled mirrors

[rapid rose]

bc I was on mercy and it just forced me on ana

[fallow socket]

well

must be buggy

ana’s good too tho i like no scope needed and sleep regimen

[rapid rose]

what tanks are really good?

[misty talon]

Dva is the best by far, she can get ult really fast and can basically never die

[rapid rose]

What about support bc ik Juno got nerfed hard

[acoustic kiln]

distortion only applys if ur damage boosting them right?

[misty talon]

Does charge plating stack with 2 or more ults

[acoustic kiln]

no

[rough patio]

whats yalls recomended Winston builds? i found one that might work that ill try in quickplay in a bit but i wana hear others

[dull granite]

why is there 2 ashes on the opposing team in my game 😔💔

[acoustic kiln]

if they pick the same character at the same time in draft there’s a chance they can use em both

[neon galleon]

Ok, so apparently, according to a Reddit post, Amari’s antidote works both on inspire triggered by anything, be it the rocket flail, an ability, or ground’s auto inspire, and it works on righteous cleave’s heal.

[sonic slate]

out of curiousity, I am making a soldier build rn (disclaimer: i dont take this game too seriously haha i just want a simple build)

I would start super visor, then double helix and then On me! what power would u guys recommend as last one

i wanna try stacking weapon power and cooldown reduction and see how it works

[neon galleon]

You could get the power that makes your rockets do more damage to make them better and make up for the fact that you won’t have a lot of AP

[sonic slate]

that was an idea, Peripheal Puls or Chaingun were also ideas I had

[neon galleon]

I would probably get chaingun over peripheral for the greater increase in damage

[sonic slate]

oki lets try that out this season ^^ ty or helping me sort my thoughts!

[neon galleon]

No problem

[plain tartan]

has anyone had a draft bug that the enemy team could pick two of the same character?
just played against two soldiers..

[nocturne sandal]

Yes and I heard it could be purposely abused I just dont know how

someone hmu if you know

[dull granite]

is that intended to be in the game 😭

[placid vine]

Any reccs for good mercy builds this season?

[paper mantle]

that's like the best argument against draft i can think of

"shifts focus from deep mechanical skill" to losing at character select is really, really bad

[ancient vortex]

Junker queen sigma

[coral turret]

My friend was just in a game and the enemy team had 2 soldiers

[bold wave]

is there a website i can copypaste good builds for stadium?

[paper mantle]

stadiumbuilds.io

[primal pewter]

Has Blizzard announced when Stadium is going back to no mirror matches? I don't see value in the draft system if you can just pick who you want. There was value in having the first pick, but the current set up values the last pick

[paper mantle]

this is the correct place for the draft system

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-trash-rubbish-dumpsterthrow-dumsta-gif-21944659

[dark crane]

the draft system is still good to prevent really bad matchups

playing rein against pharah freja is not going to be a cool experience

or playing against pharah with no hitscans

[neon galleon]

Never for as long as majority players make it clear they don’t like it. Besides it still ensures that you are never blindsided into a near impossible matchup. Stadium simply isn’t ready yet for no mirror matches

[fallow socket]

what even counters stadium winston

i dont think he's oppressive but that monkey is always doing good havent seen a bad build or a bad game

[dense seal]

Why have I still not gotten my all star rewards from last season

pmo

give me my rewards

[acoustic kiln]

i'd prolly say brig or reaper

reaper's AP build is insane in quickplay

[cyan wraith]

ughhhhhrh i hate going against winston as a supp main he just jumps and kills me after round 5 in like 3 seconds

[neon galleon]

Yeah I’ve been finding that Reaper can tear Winston apart pretty well, he does too much burst damage for Winston’s overhealth stuff to keep up. Brig can be pretty good with disruption and dragons’ incinerator turning his bulk against him

Nothing is funnier than watching primal Winston’s health just disappear because you happened to be doing rally

[compact flare]

I feel like pharah is so shit in this game mode

At least ability power build feels awful to use

E build let you vulnerable, because you have to wait E hit and then fire the mini rockets, which might miss by pushing enemies to cover or out of line of sight

And the mini rockets on dash build let you vulnerable

Like a lot vulnerable

The rockets spread is too big and the time on mini rockets with low move speed is also too much

[full cargo]

Uhhh

I have two kirikos on my team?

[neon galleon]

Oh no if you’re good with Pharah you can bully people with direct hit rockets, as for the AP build, I find it’s better to dash into them, with the 50% life steal power you generally live the self damage long enough to kill them

[compact flare]

There is a bug: if 2 people lock in the same character at the same time, they both got to play it

[compact flare]

Ohh might be it. I picked the dash fire rockets power at the last round, I was doing E build, which was kinda meh.

But this plays like a reaper, ig

[paper mantle]

ability power on a hero that doesn't have any base ability damage feels like not the play

[rapid rose]

there a good mercy pocket build?

[stark torrent]

Can someone explain what the whole draft thing is

[proven knot]

you choose a character and can see what the enemy team chooses

[compact flare]

She does have the powers to enable it, which deal decent damage. I feel like problem is that you need to expose yourself a lot to do it. Just some small tweaks, like increase accuracy and "cast" speed would improve it by a lot

[stark torrent]

Oh so just seeing who it is if we guess right?

[fallow socket]

what does this mean

[woven bolt]

Persona

[stark torrent]

I assumed it meant when we select a character for draft it meant if we picked right it shows

[neon galleon]

It basically goes like this: team 1 has 1 person pick a character first, team 2 then has 2 people pick their characters, Team 1 has 2 people pick their characters, Team 2 has 2 people pick their characters, Team 1 has their last 2 pick their characters, and finally team 2 has their final member pick their character and both sides can see who picked who.

[stark torrent]

OH okay tysm

[neon galleon]

Both teams can have individual members swap positions to pick sooner but the order of how many pick remains the same

[unreal kelp]

i hate the new draft system so much man why does it allow for you to just counterpick the tanks

had a guy pick winston and they just picked reaper and full built to counter him

he couldn’t do anything the entire match

so fucking ass

[rapid rose]

is like a full rank per win normal?

[granite robin]

did they remove a bunch of powers or am i bugging

[paper mantle]

draft is trash
it doesn't add anything positive and adds a bunch of negatives

[heady topaz]

pharah is too strong in this mode

especially when i get the worst cassidy and mcree known to man on my team

and they roll us with the no aim pharmercy and ashe dynamite build

[autumn crescent]

if it thinks your mmr is higher than your current rank then pretty much yes, its to adjust for much longer games

[autumn crescent]

pharah buns bro

[tepid finch]

pharmacy is unbearable

gonna be interesting to see how the fck they're gonna manage to balance this in stadium

[sonic slate]

My enemy team picked 2 pharahs, how?!

https://x.com/saphiraaurora04/status/1961791385721299363?s=46&t=K3KkNMUqM7b5wKbLDh2AFg

[heady topaz]

not when ur soldier and cassidy suck LMAO

[heady topaz]

true, she was doing like 15k dmg in one round

[tepid finch]

its a bug

[autumn crescent]

brigette ult build has got to be my fav rn ngl

[sonic slate]

well we won but my team also had a pharah and I was going insane 😂

[tepid finch]

🫩

[grand vortex]

is there an op.gg thing for stadium already?

[paper mantle]

is there a what?

[compact flare]

Yeah, tank should be the last pick, but people want to get the first pick always

[compact flare]

There is https://stadiumbuilds.io/

[manic mirage]

is there a winston hard meta that i'm missing

[pliant dragon]

oh great 2 phara in my stadium game

[minor linden]

I have two moiras on my team. It is terrible. Why do they allow this???

[pliant dragon]

indie devs :/

[minor linden]

First draft now this

[paper mantle]

they need to remove the draft system for~~ the time being~~ever, it's so bugged

[civic oxide]

its fun

[paper mantle]

i had 3 moiras earlier today with split ball, jesus christ i couldn't see shit in that match lol

[lunar veldt]

why did the survival purple item that had 150 pre mitigation and shield recovery get removed?

[paper mantle]

either because it was bugged or because it was unbalanced

[minor linden]

The only things worst than two moiras, is two Moira’s that don’t heal. My first impression… dog water

[barren finch]

Is drafts still a thing?

I refuse to play competitive stadium while it's there. Which is a shame because that's literally all I've played since it released.

[midnight pier]

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[forest coral]

so just have your tank pick last ?

[unreal kelp]

well depending on which team youre on, even if your tank picks last they could get counterpicked by one person

[forest coral]

yes but they removed the thing where you cant pick a hero the enemy has

if the enemy team picks kiri you can also pick kiri

[forest coral]

oh noo one counterpick (every hero can build around counterpicks)

[unreal kelp]

well either way if im not on tank its a hassle to have to get my team do all this

[forest coral]

idk i just pick dva and nothing can counter dva so im chilling

[swift maple]

cannot do them complete stadium games challange if ppl just leave after two rounds 💔

[sacred fiber]

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[bold stirrup]

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[midnight pier]

Bro got hacked

[barren finch]

Okay thanks!

[paper snow]

WHAT HAPPENED TO DIVINE INTERVENTION

WHY DID THEY REMOVE THE BEST SURVIVAL ITEM IN THE GAME

CASS CAN NOW ONE TAP ME AND THERE IS NO COUNTER

[fallow socket]

guess you gotta take nebula conduit now

[paper snow]

no

NO

[drifting bridge]

i hope these custom builds i made actually let me win a game

my w/l record is awful

[frozen ginkgo]

lowkey I've spent a good 2 hours in training room just to apply custom builds from last season

A shame that only let me make 6 good builds in a way that I can use without thinking too much

those luka doncic builds are hilariously good I might just save them after the event

[drifting bridge]

I've been doing my support builds as I always lose despite doing well

I js want self sustain and playing normally but 'better'

most of the default builds strive towards alternate styles of play

[frozen ginkgo]

generally, default build are just that

pretty generic

weapon power only

or high AP Build

you can do a lot better but frankly all the stadium builds for tank that I've been looking at have a lot in common

[drifting bridge]

or dogpiling everything into 1 ability

Moira is so bad for this

[frozen ginkgo]

yeah basically

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/neurosociety-brigitte

[drifting bridge]

complete overkill on her abilities

[frozen ginkgo]

@primal spear thank you for this!!

qp brig is so fun, but getting the order right is crucial

even if the goal is rush ult spam ult

[frozen ginkgo]

I have yet to play moira in stadium, I don't think her kit is bad but a lot of it is AP heavy

[drifting bridge]

I had to make a half and half moira build with her healing and orbs as the default builds just made 1 ability or mechanic the entire builf

[frozen ginkgo]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/348910fd-992d-4d89-89ca-121cf4e7098b actually disgusting levels of AP-maxxing

Doesn't even need nano cola to hit 65 Ability Power

!jumbo

[drifting bridge]

65% omg

[frozen ginkgo]

and that's not even the 35% purple one

with champions kit you are at 100% 💀

[drifting bridge]

and it doesn't count the "do this, and it gives % for this time" ones aswell

I think mine caps at 40%

but my build has a good amount of WP aswell

[forest atlas]

Does brig rocket flair count as a quick melee?

[frozen ginkgo]

that's an ability

[forest atlas]

uhhh wat

[frozen ginkgo]

your quick melee button?

I thought you were talking about whip shot 😐

[frozen ginkgo]

rocket flail counts as your melee and primary fire

[forest atlas]

yes

[frozen ginkgo]

if i was trying to use Burst Aid, quick melee is whatever button you set for other heroes has the melee button, since it doubles as her left click normally

wrong screenshot

[drifting bridge]

the Moira build works

we lost sadly bcus my Lucio was losing his 1's to a juno

but i ended the game with 70k heals

and single digit deaths

[frozen ginkgo]

nice

if you want, share the import code here

[drifting bridge]

next time I log on I will

I needed a break that loss made me tweak

[primal spear]

Haha you're welcome

[tepid finch]

I swear if we have to go months before they get rid of this pharmacy meta

[native escarp]

why are the queue times for any of the roles all 14 minutes for quick play 💔

[gaunt sorrel]

im genuinely surprised donut delivery didn’t get nerfed this seasons patch notes

[empty hazel]

did they remove it so u dont get comp points from stadium anymore?

[misty talon]

no

[empty hazel]

odd its not giving me any

[lunar veldt]

i miss divine intervention

[misty talon]

Only for wins

[empty hazel]

i did win

won 3 games

[misty talon]

Oh

Uh idk then

Maybe not mb

[ocean vessel]

might be visual bug

[empty hazel]

most likely

my teams have sucked so bad i just didnt move when i was shot at

[ocean vessel]

oof

[coarse arch]

stadium giving me a complex as tank right now, cant seem to figure out why im losing so much more this new season

[compact flare]

Yeah, same. I feel like dps are dealing so much more dmg

It might be that I need to take more cover

[misty talon]

I'm getting comp points pet win

[coarse arch]

brig controls the battlefield a lot it seems like

more than the tanks lol

[drifting bridge]

TZS4G

[compact flare]

With the rally build? She normally gets out of position when doing shield bash. If your dps is fast, you can burst her. Reaper and tanks with shield are also annoying for her to deal with

Shield makes her E deals no damage

Like. I feel like brig is pretty tank because of sustain

But she is really weak to burst damage

And without shield bash, she is a sitting duck

Freja is also good against her

But so she is against every other hero haha

[ocean vessel]

they need to disable freja in stadium

i got three games in a row against her

not fun

[drifting bridge]

I had 2 soldiers in my game

I was fucking Juno

[ocean vessel]

oof

[boreal ruin]

can i leave stadium qp

oh yeah huge

[barren finch]

Went through waiting in queue and the whole draft faze just for the game to cancel out

[misty talon]

Is 109-6 good as dva 😭

[lunar veldt]

yo overwatch can i get divine intervention back, cass is kinda dangerous

[boreal ruin]

pharah is the by far worst stadium hero

[drifting bridge]

nah it's definitely zen I've seen so many pharahs carry

and win their 1's with hitscans

[boreal ruin]

fuck no

zen's discord existing alone is better

[empty hazel]

What is the best thing to build on mercy? Is it ability %?

[drifting bridge]

i run a fuck ton of WP

only run AP if you're using majority powers than use AP

[empty hazel]

alr

i mostly just go for a healer build on her

and i use a lot of boost for attack

[acoustic kiln]

WP, one epic survivability item usually, and chain evoker(or whatever that damage bosot one is called) if you have good dps

[drifting bridge]

I can copy my build if you want

you essentially js play how you usually would but a lot more survivability

[empty hazel]

yes pls

[drifting bridge]

link code is

CKWH1

js import that and see if you like it

[paper mantle]

Zen is fine, went all the way from unranked to legend last season with a 58% winrate overall

[fallow socket]

zen is great

just shoot people dead and also never die

[ornate hedge]

can draft just get removed already

its bringing in counter picking and theres a bug where u can go 2 of the same characters

if i have to fight another double mercy im deleting overwatch

[paper snow]

bro

WHY ARE ALL THE SURVIVAL ITEMS GONE

[neon galleon]

Also get attack speed since that also boosts the healing rate

[paper snow]

seriously tho why are all the survival items vanishing

[tepid finch]

can someone tell me why pharah only gets. 60% rocket debuff to her dash barrage while reaper gets 50% reduced dmg AND duration?

[drifting bridge]

as pharah is stationary in hers and usually in the sky

she's far more killable

[tepid finch]

she gains a 40% speed buff...

and repear is literally a stting duck in ult...

[neon galleon]

Because Pharah’s need to actually have aim, you just gotta be close enough with Reaper’s

Besides once Reaper actually gets some other stuff it can be hard to kill him during death step

Pharah stays easy to kill during hers

[tepid finch]

their damage isn't even comparable

[neon galleon]

And? Again Pharah is extremely easy to kill during it throughout the whole game, Reaper can actually get hard to kill during it once you get far enough into the game

[tepid finch]

and when mercy gets in the mix it's getting real fun

[neon galleon]

Still easy to kill the Pharah

[tepid finch]

so ur gonna outdamage a damage boosted dash barrage?

[neon galleon]

I’ve literally seen people kill me while I was directly in their face using my lifesteal to tank the damage, yes

Cause remember, the Pharah still needs aim Reaper doesn’t

Can’t fucking believe you’re making me defend death step of all fucking things

[tepid finch]

I'm pretty sure ur defending barrage right now

[neon galleon]

Good then I still get to say that Death Step is inconsistent at best and throwing at worst

[fallow socket]

you wouldnt want to be locked into a full blossom anyways 😭

oftentimes the full barrage for pharah is a death sentence

[frozen ginkgo]

Thanks!

[paper mantle]

they're both bad but reaper's is much much worse

it's actual throwing on reaper

[hybrid spear]

they need to add a cancel to the mini-rocket for jet dash on Pharah

am I right

[compact flare]

yeah, and they need to reduce the duration

if you are gonna lauch 60% of the rockets, at least launch it at 60% of the time

and add an item to increase rocket accuracy

[hybrid spear]

I just hate how I glide across their screen at 1mph for like 5 seconds just not doing ANYTHING

[gritty charm]

Hey gamers I’ve discovered a game breaking bug in stadium, if both dps or healers are able to both pick at the same time both players can get the same hero I had a match with 2 Meis

I have proof I just can’t post it here

[proven knot]

ya thats a common issue

[gritty charm]

Nah it’s pretty funny

[sudden bridge]

Nah what it was known on day 1

[sudden bridge]

Counter picking was the point

[swift zodiac]

Did everyone else not got the end of season banners, weapon charms, and player titles for stadium for last season?

[sudden bridge]

Yes they addressed it

[acoustic kiln]

holy moly

mercy and brig work so well together in stadium

[swift zodiac]

Where?

I’ve won 8 straight games in stadium on support and still am not getting a winning trend bonus. Anyone else experience this?

[thin inlet]

2nd tank basically

and mercy can actually solo-heal in stadium

[misty talon]

Every time I solo q i get horrendous dps in stadium but never does the other team

Is it my fault i carry every round or that my team cant kill

[coarse arch]

whats best anti zayra tank right now?

[coarse arch]

major mood right now, stadium has given me a complex lol

[proven knot]

idk man I just play dva and tank trade with her and she can’t kill me

[neon galleon]

Yeah Dva is the main tank that can survive against her since plot armor lets Facetanking work against her. Quite honestly your best way to beat Zarya is to just deny her as much value as possible so that she can never scale out of control cause once she starts getting a bunch of damage output, Reaper and Dva are some of the only characters that can reasonably stand up to her.

[coarse arch]

i cant seem to play tank this particular patch

i just cant figure out if its me or my random teams

[neon galleon]

I’d say a combination of both, it starts off as mainly random teams not being able to work together well and as you get more and more frustrated because of it you start to make more and more mistakes, that usually happens with me at least

[acoustic kiln]

did they break endorsements for stadium again

i cant endorse anybody

[round lantern]

i feel like the buttons just dont work half the time!

[fallow socket]

bro not again please

I hate having to play qp mercy just to get my level up

[lunar veldt]

yo blizzard can i get divine intervention back, zen's kinda scary

[fallow socket]

the homing on pharah's mini rockets from her concussive power is pretty bad

half the time it will circle around the enemy and then disappear or just hit walls

[severe fulcrum]

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[rapid rose]

can u derank in stadium?

bc I havent lost anything after like 5 days of plaing

[sudden bridge]

With the draft it’s like imperative people work as a team like if the enemy phara mercy jq and y’all go like monkey fire Ashe reaper expect to have a bad time

[gaunt sorrel]

can we lowk delete moira and junk from stadium

they do NOT belong in that mode

[torpid sun]

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[dense seal]

When am I gonna get my all star rewards from last season im getting pissed off

where is my gun bling, name card and title?!??!

[dense seal]

yes, u just dont derank until u hit ur predicted rank

[rapid rose]

My friend lost 300% for 1 loss

That normal?

[dense seal]

that means theyre way above their predicted rank

win more and u stop losing as much

[rapid rose]

They were the equivalent of silver 2 or wtv it's called

And in normal comp they peaked masters

[sharp needle]

wtf is with all of the leavers in this mode fgs

[sharp storm]

hoping they replace the drafting system with a simple banning system

or just add a pick and ban system full stop

[paper mantle]

we don't need bans or drafts

[sharp storm]

but its going that way

they wanna make the comp mode more comp

[paper mantle]

then they can make items that are designed to help a hero's unfavorable matchups

[sharp storm]

u think OW devs are that complacent?

[paper mantle]

i don't even know what their objective was with their draft debacle

[dark crane]

the draft system is 10x better than hero bans for stadium

[paper mantle]

i just want stadium to let players play the hero they want to play

very simple ask

[dense seal]

the drafting system became completely pointless after they removed the anti mirror matchups

aslong as u have 1 hitscan dps on ur team aslong as ur builds are good enough you'll win

[sharp storm]

All it does now is make countering a thing

[dense seal]

true, i've seen tanks want to pick last

[compact flare]

You can, on quick play. Don't need to play ranked full time

[paper mantle]

quick play is not an environment where people play serious

draft or bans are not needed or wanted

[dark crane]

i wonder if there's a system where you can play whatever you want without having to worry about flying heroes.....

[dense seal]

oh! it looks like ive already mentioned that!

better luck next time

[compact flare]

For now. From my quick play experience with HoTS, people take quick play quite seriously. They just aren't that good at it. The game also pushes your win rate to stay at 50% through player quality

[dark crane]

did you? all i saw was you complaining about the drafting system and giving a terrible solution

[dense seal]

@dark crane doesnt take a genius to figure it out

[dark crane]

are you able to read

[dense seal]

Yeah

It's okay, you're a bit silly in the brain

I'll spell it out for you

[misty talon]

Why is it that im making 0 progress in rank basically, im getting like 15%/64 stadium points per game and can't get a win streak aswell😭🙏

[dense seal]

aslong AS YOU HAVE 1 HITSCAN DPS <------- meaning you can deal with pharah!!!!

[dark crane]

im being sarcastic, there's already a system like this in the game and its called draft

[dense seal]

its completely useless

[dark crane]

meaning i dont have to play HITSCAN if i dont have to

[dense seal]

🥺

We know ur a mercy otp anyway

mamaa me cant play junkrat and reaper exclusively

[dark crane]

sure honey start deflecting bc your reading skills are bad 😭

[dense seal]

me haz 2 play GULP soldier, ashe or cassidy?!??!...

[dense seal]

talking about ''reading skill''

it's called reading comprehension and it's not called deflecting its called projecting

[paper mantle]

this is overwatch

[dark crane]

its called deflecting because you're changing the subject sweetie

[paper mantle]

there sure is, with appropriate hero powers and hero items
it's extremely easy to solve too

[dense seal]

plz dont call me sweetie ur a man

[acoustic kiln]

love having my other support be a 3rd dps

especially if they're doing better than our actual dps

i was dmg boosting our juno and cass and we rolled them

[paper mantle]

experience tranquility

[dark crane]

and what you can you give for a hero like Rein to deal with Pharah/Freja?

[dense seal]

a shield and 2 dps

[dark crane]

their goal is to have every single hero in stadium and i know zarya / mei isnt a really bad matchup for dva rn but what if they added sym

and you're fighting zarya, mei, sym, moira

[dense seal]

this wouldnt work in the main game so why would it work in stadium

[dark crane]

thats the point

[paper mantle]

use your creativity a little.

for example, you could have a global item that gives homing properties to projectiles when aimed at flyers

[dark crane]

in the main game you can switch characters

in stadium you cant

[dense seal]

moira ball build, throw in the sky = pharah dead

• moira can get extra range on beam

and it isnt impossible to kill pharah without hitscan

theres this thing called aiming

[paper mantle]

projectiles are really hard to hit flyers with, let's not kid ourselves

[dense seal]

hard but not impossible

[paper mantle]

but they could create many types of items to compensate for that

[dark crane]

or you could see your enemy picks and choose your hero based on that

[paper mantle]

or you could let people play who they want to play
draft and bans are completely unnecessary when you have this many design dials to turn

they just hurt the game

[dense seal]

this is such a non problem

no sensible team would run something like junkrat and mei

if ur team doesnt have a single hitscan thats just bad team building

[paper mantle]

or you could let people play who they want to play

and have matchup solving items

[dark crane]

you're focusing too much on the flying hero problem

[dense seal]

thats

the only point u brought up

and calling it a problem is being generous

[dark crane]

i used that as an example

you have 45 heroes in the game rn, you cant possibly think that giving each one of them an item/power to reduce their weaknesses is a great idea

[dense seal]

i never suggested that or agreed with that

[paper mantle]

i absolutely do, they can scrap the meme powers and items and instead focus their dev time on that

[dark crane]

so, you're against drafts, you're against giving each hero item/power to reduce their weaknesses then whats your solution?

simply lose the game because you choose the wrong heroes?

[paper mantle]

if they have extra dev time they can put in some item that lets rein fly or some other dumb shit

(oh wait, that's already in, and would you look at that, it's useless)

[dense seal]

yup

[paper mantle]

L take, lol

[dense seal]

and u do know

that drafts dont get rid of the ''flying problem''

[paper mantle]

losing at character select is never not bad game design

[dense seal]

this would force gulp...critical thinking

maybe every team shouldnt run mei and junkrat but instead swap one for a hitscan? wow!

[dark crane]

thats not happening and also not viable

[dark crane]

the flying problem wont be the only one

[paper mantle]

or, it could be on the devs' part to add the tools necessary to each character so they can be played against any comp

[dark crane]

just look at the main game

tanks and their counters

[paper mantle]

the main game doesn't lock you to one character, nor does it give you 50+ items and powers to choose from to modify your character

[dark crane]

you can have a beam problem with dva playing when sym gets added and she HAS the build where she can counter that

[paper mantle]

make it so there's an item/power that makes matrix block beams
problem solved

[dense seal]

and make dva the best tank in the game able to mitigate all damage?

[dark crane]

you can have a CC problem playing with doomfist against cassidy / orisa / hog / sombra

[dark crane]

exactly

[dense seal]

i liked not being able to mirror heroes bring that back

[paper mantle]

if you pick that, you're losing power in any other area you would've put power in otherwise

use your brains

[dense seal]

you do know that would take 1 perk slot or 1 power slot

this would not delete anything from her kit

this would not make her weaker

this would only be a massive buff

[paper mantle]

of course it would, wtf are you talking about
it's a slot that isn't used to boost her survivability or damage

[dense seal]

ur not losing out a slot to boost ur survivability

that is a power that is the DEFINITION of survivability

[dark crane]

you're playing against 3 beam heros and making them ineffective

[dense seal]

the only way this could work is if it would no longer mitigate projectiles and would only mitigate beams

[paper mantle]

lol, what are you even talking about
this can't be real
you would be spending power to actually be functional against beam users

let's imagine a game where there are no beam users, is D.Va unbeatable in this environment? No? Yet matrix blocks them all, what's up with that?

[dense seal]

in a game where there are no beam users shes completely invulnerable during matrix

if shes low she pops matrix and her healers heal her????

[paper mantle]

so what? She gets defeated like any other tank in any other game
matrix is not an "i win" button

[dense seal]

???...

w ragebait

[paper mantle]

your argument : matrix is too strong if it can block anything
reality : dva can lose just fine in a game where matrix can block anything

[acoustic kiln]

dps juno could help fight against pharah if you dont have any hitscans(although not having hitscans in the first place is questionable)

[dense seal]

do you understand how incredibly strong the ability to block any damage with such little cooldown is

Ur takes are literally silver

[paper mantle]

do you understand the reality of it not affecting her winrate in any substantial manner?
legend last season, try again scrub

[dark crane]

in a game with no beam heroes she's invulnerable during matrix
in a game with all beam heroes she'd be invulnerable during matrix
in a game with beam heroes and not beam heroes she'd be invulnerable against everything

[dense seal]

how would you counter dva if she could mitigate all damage

[paper mantle]

i have played many dozens of games against dva where the entire team was bullets and projectiles, IT DOESN'T MATTER, THERE ARE WAYS TO PLAY AROUND IT

this is the textbook definition of skill issue

[dense seal]

tell me about it, imagine not being able to play around beam heroes

''beam heroez too strunggg aaaaaahhh beam heroz tu strunggg aiii''

dva should be able to block all attacks

whats next? she should be able to block melee too? she just deletes reinhardts and brigittes arms?

[paper mantle]

quote me where i said that beams are too strong

[dense seal]

where you said dva should be able to block them

[paper mantle]

that isn't me saying beams are too strong, that is me suggesting a solution to someone else saying beams are a problem

as the entire basis for this discussion is whether items/powers can solve matchup problems

and they can

[dark crane]

45 heroes

sure....

[paper mantle]

sure

[dense seal]

you cant seriously think that they can make these for every hero without them clashing with oneanother

[fallow socket]

D.va can already build to be immortal to beams what are we talking about

[acoustic kiln]

isnt there already an item that makes her gain 50% damage reduction against beams when using matrix

thats good enough

powers/items should help against counters not completely turn the matchup around

[fallow socket]

well

d.va counters zarya i fear

[dark crane]

dva wasnt the point of the discussion

[paper mantle]

the point of the discussion is item/powers can solve problematic matchups
bans and drafts are useless and just hurt the game

[neon galleon]

Technically speaking that already exists via Plot armor and Facetanking. It doesn’t block all the damage but it makes Dva damn near the only tank that can reasonably stand up to a charged up Zarya

[paper mantle]

yeah, it's a great example of an item that solves this problematic matchup if you invest into it

i don't think there needs to be external systems added on top of stadium such as draft when there's already solutions inside stadium itself that solves what draft is poorly trying to solve