stadium-discussion

[bright briar]

or try commit to a full ga and they probably die anyways

[fallow socket]

Pretty much 😭

[bright briar]

very unfortunate :( Mercy hasn't got too much outside WP.

Her 3 res power is so so fun though, that thing isn't amazing but

honestly that thing is enough of a playstyle shift

I wish AP actually scaled res speed or something, or maybe

AP buffed valkryie

I think that just goes for a lot of heroes tho. AP for most heroes is just worse unfortunately.

Like IDK.
Maybe AP should buff cass's roll distance, flash radius. Buff junkrats mine kb/size (also buff junkrats trap size).

[neon galleon]

No…..AP literally does nothing on Mercy without those 2 powers and you STILL get more value from increasing WP and attack speed instead

[kind sluice]

Does zen’s harmony orb proc the 20% more ult charge from catalytic crystal

[neon galleon]

Maybe? I mean the 2 Discord orb damage powers can proc cybervenom and liquid nitrogen

[elder ore]

Yeah, mercy meta builds are incredibly similar, not much variety. Like many builds you can really only play one way because you need to farm cash. At round 3 or 4 they can diverge but in general there's not much variety

I think the only real builds for mercy right now are:

• (Most common in AS/Legend) Flying Rat, invulnerability, with select healing typically less than 35%, abusing exhaust fusion drive

• (Another very common one, especially in mid ranks) Hybrid, primarily healing with minimal or no survival items, commonly using Chain Evoker

• (A bit more common in lower ranks) Rez build

Other builds are:
-Whambulance (but why though?)
-Triage/pocket powers (not as useful as other powers)
-Battle hybrid (I mean, I guess, but not consistent)

Personally I do standard thread opening, then serenity for Rat, then once I farm enough cash I go full Rat on round 4 to not die for the rest of the match

[spare marsh]

mercy main here - i spent a while finding what build works for me. and once I did, I was very quickly able to solo climb to high pro. i will say, i don't use the same exact powers every time. it differs based on mine and my teams needs.

this what i found works for me

my first two are always

• renaissance
• crepuscular circle

this is where it differs

if im dying a lot

• serenity

if my team is dying a lot

• triage unit
• threads of fate

if were overwhelmingly winning

• battle medic

I always go with 4 out of these specific six. my first two are always always the same. the most op ones in my opinion. but for example (in a 3-3 game), say by the 5th round my team is dying a lot. then by the 7th we've really turned the tables and are probably going to win. my build would look like this

• renaissance
• crepuscular circle
• triage unit
• battle medic

but ofc thats just what works for me

i back my build with lots of weapon power items, as well as resurrection rangefinder, amari's antidote, and caduceus ex. if im dying a lot, ill also get winning attitude and angeleisure wear. if i get the battle medic power, ill also get booster jets.

ofc what works for one player may not work for another. but the biggest tip I can give is, dont only use the same specific powers every game. no matter who youre playing, the way your team and the enemy team play, makes such a huge difference in the reliability of a build.

[elder ore]

Amari's Antidote + Hardlight Acceleator has always been my core 2 healing items, and the rest survival on round 4+

Angelic Acrobatics is dirty when used with Lumerico Fusion Drive to heal 50 armor every GA, combined with Exhaust Iron Ports for +25 overhealth, quickly stacking to +125

Healing that much with that much frequency is pretty crazy and its been my favorite build trying to go for 0 death games

[spare marsh]

amaris is amazing

[acoustic kiln]

run it down with wp and as every game using the same 4 powers

got me to all star

[spare marsh]

whats your build if I may ask

[acoustic kiln]

threads of fate, triage unit, serenity, protective beam

then i usually get caduecus ex, amari antidote, booster jets, and some other stuff after that

i forgot the names of the other three

advanced nanobiotics, talon module or whatever and hardlight accel

[forest coral]

in what world is ap worse for most heroes

actually let me run the numbers

nvm ur right

it just feels like so manyt more heroes use ap bc of how most heroes that do use ap are insane

lucio dva juno have all been top 3 heroes with ap builds

i feel like ap moira with cybervenom/liquid nitrogen is dominant and queen i feel like was pretty damn strong with ap first season

[forest coral]

i tried ren crpuscular season 1 whenever i got to play supp (not often) and i won all 10 of the games i played tbh that shit is broken as hell

i havent gotten to try it yet but ive been considering serenity as my regular third just bc it acts as a budget first responder on successful rezzes

the moment your valk pops from rez and u get your 4 beams you just get insane sympathetic recovery healing theoretically

[spare marsh]

ohhhh yeah I love em

[spare marsh]

100%

ofc a dps will still do loads more damage than you will get sympathetic healing, but now you have more time to escape before you die

[forest coral]

it also just makes you fundamentally unkillable in valk

so you can greed much harder with gun

[spare marsh]

absolutely

if things are looking up, I get battle medic as my third power and serenity as my fourth

now if the enemy team sucks and I literally dont need serenity to be slightly more greedy then ill get distortion as my fourth

I dont list it as a favorite tho bc meh

its alright

really only good if youre winning by an extremely overwhelming amount

otherwise you're gonna be doing more healing than boosting, so no point

[acoustic kiln]

one game away from legend

definitely gonna have to abuse crep circle

[acoustic kiln]

and then we sweep them 3-0

the amount of wins it took me to reach legend 5 was the same amount that it took me to get pro 2 last season

[proven knot]

@forest coral check out what i made

First image is the damage for dvas missile build. Second is the same except kitsune is proccing twice here

basically kitsune ~= 30 AP (or 20 with onslaught) and if you procc it twice it's more like ~50 AP (or 40 with onslaught)

[forest coral]

yeah it’s always the first ap item I get it just makes such a big difference for burst combos

[proven knot]

apparently no one else runs it on dva

[forest coral]

there’s just no way

my genji route for the past 2 months has been
phantasmic -> kitsune
my dva route has been
gloom -> phantasmic -> kitsune

though gloom is getting phased out more and more the more I run into lucios and zens that actually know what they’re doing

man I went from running into no lucios ever to running into them in over half my game either something changed or they fixed my mmr

I think kitsune works so well bc I run genji and dva similarly as hybrid heroes

[proven knot]

i thought it was good but the math here kinda proves its broken

[forest coral]

lowkey surprised that shits dodged the nerf hammer

[proven knot]

the double proc thing too is just boosters + missiles

like its realistic

[bright briar]

Yeah, the heroes that can use AP do so because its significantly better than WP.
I think Moira is one of the exceptions, Moira WP and AP (imo) are equally strong, both just exceed against different comps

It's mostly just DPS which hasn't got many good AP builds

Mei and Ashe are the only two that seemingly have a good AP build

[crimson loom]

Soldier biotic field of Death goes hards tho

[bright briar]

Oh yeah I forgot about soldier. IDK about that build but helix spam soldier can be really good

[crimson loom]

Just depends on the backline your constantly sprinting circles around

[bright briar]

Junkrat has honestly been extremely disappointing, I really hope they rework his powers

Like 6 of his powers are designed around leaping into the enemies and dying

[crimson loom]

And its so annoying

[bright briar]

IDK why total mayhem and trap are seemingly 70% of his items/powers

Who the hell is dying to junkrats death mines

[crimson loom]

Me when I'm trying to distract the enemy ana with my unlimited heals

[bright briar]

He should've gotten an item thats like "gain damage resistance based on distance to the ground"

So junkrat could leap into enemies and not insta die bc hes in the skybox

[crimson loom]

Oooo

[bright briar]

Ana/Zen players are in for a treat next season when winston is added 💀

[crimson loom]

But also brig right?

[bright briar]

Im so excited for brig

[crimson loom]

It will be very intriguing

[bright briar]

Incoming lucio brig comp where they end up with 50k healing in round 1

[crimson loom]

Or a combined 12

[bright briar]

honestly lucio brig could actually be a really good comp if brigs powers are decent

[crimson loom]

No in-between

[bright briar]

the avg brig experience.
land every whipshot perfectly, save 2 people with E and pop ult to cancel 2 ults

or miss whipshot, die, repeat

[crimson loom]

Facts

[bright briar]

we need lifeweaver in stadium asap. he gotta be the next supp

[crimson loom]

Ah illara think of the caos of the sun

[forest coral]

i think genji uses ap items well

the build isnt centered around ap but like half of my genji items are ap

[bright briar]

oh o.o Wait.. why?

I only played genji like... once.... in the playtests but every genji i see just goes for melee builds

doesn't melee scale with WP

[elder ore]

I have a question

I've been spending hours making 1-3 builds for every hero based on the current meta/top playstyles, but there's a problem I've been unable to solve

How do you counter zen? Like, genuinely? The only advice I've received is, "Just don't die by zen", or "just kill zen", or "just dont give him LoS"

Especially as tank. He does such insane damage its actually nutty.
Like, if I'm playing Orisa (or any tank), and he goes attack speed and Volska Ordinance with Codebreaker, I'm cooked, I can't just have less health or convert all my armor to shield

And because he relies on attack speed, reinforced titanium and hydraulics aren't very helpful. Divine intervention was my first idea but he attacks so quickly that the instant health regen is canceled as soon as it starts

When I try to focus him, he gets clear shots on me to demolish me. Or he gets healed by Moira, or mercy.

My last idea is maybe like nebula conduit. Idk

How do you counter zen? Anyone have ideas?

I know DPS have the opportunity to take him down but often they're killed just as quickly, or for some reason are unable to, and our tank is just not allowed to play the game anymore, then no protection for the DPS... You can see how quickly he shuts down an entire team

Not to mention he has both insane healing and damage and earns insane amounts of cash

[proven knot]

try the shield on orisa

zen kinda trolled by shields

[snow ivy]

Why are people so salty in stadium, tried giving the enemy mercy some tips after the game ended and her duo called me an ugly backseater

[spare marsh]

thats crazy 😭

[snow ivy]

Right 😭😭

[spare marsh]

are you pc? we can duo sometime if thats smth youre down with - im currently elite, I ended last month pro

im tired of solo queuing lmao, thats why I havent played much this season

[snow ivy]

yeah sure!! i reached all stars and got mah mercy skin so im content for now to just play however 😭

And ya im pc

[elder ore]

Like the deploy shield?

[proven knot]

It’s worth a shot

[elder ore]

I tried that one time but they had a soldier with crazy AP rockets and pocketed by damage boost mercy and my barrier would get destroyed as soon as I placed it

And I cant really go too hard into defensive powers and items

[proven knot]

Not like you got a ton of answers for Zen

hes kinda BS

[elder ore]

Because volska ordinance coeebreaker just completely destroys me

[proven knot]

Like I’d say go Dva but that’s not rly productive

[elder ore]

Maybe I need a tank that is more flexible

I like dva but she's not very flexible and can be shut down in a number of ways

[proven knot]

nah

sjes broken

[elder ore]

Orisa is a beast and is hard to kill but zen shuts her down

[spare marsh]

bett

[elder ore]

I lowkey feel like zen should be slightly nerfed at least in the offense department

A good zen can easily shut down almost every hero because the discord orb doesn't discriminate, everyone is equally doomed

Its tough because it feels like the only way to beat him is just hope they dont have a zen, or dont engage zen, or hope that their other support isnt pocketing them

High burst damage can work like missiles or rockets, but if you picked a tank that doesn't have high enough burst damage, the tank feels relatively powerless to not get eviescerated

You could argue that DPS builds should work to counter zen but only a select few can actually have a build with enough burst or enough invulnerability abilities

Maybe WP Ashe? Or AP soldier/supervisor soldier?

[proven knot]

Could probably try to make you an Orisa build if you want

You’d have to prioritize him though.

[elder ore]

Im down

[acoustic kiln]

trust in the junkrat trap build

[acoustic kiln]

im gonna put everything into survivability

buncha armor, martian mender, reduction field, phantasmic flux

just a bunch of self healing and lifesteal

[elder ore]

The 11% junkrat income buff was nice I guess

[acoustic kiln]

cant wait for sym to get added to stadium

100% ap cybervenom liquid nitrogen turrets

[proven knot]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/c7d4f792-79b5-4725-abeb-82a0cd025a99
prob something like this tbh. I imagine your only real shot of being able to kill him is some sort of javelin build. being able to actually close the distance on him

doubt it'll be easy regardless but like

any tank that isn't dva will struggle to kill him

[forest coral]

@hearty lodge are reaper and dva b tier on your stadium tier list bc of Lucio

[reef lichen]

i wish i wasnt so fucking ass at stadium

[hearty lodge]

no. Reaper is there because of his lack of range and meaningful synergy with the current items to build something truly oppressive. Especially after his cash nerfs. He can be a meneace but only against certain matchups or people who don't know what to do against reaper at all.
Dva is there because she gets countered by most tank matchups and requires team coordination making her super inconsistent. Some matches she is carrying and some she is throwing.

Lucio has nothing to do with their position.

[proven knot]

Do people think Dva is good or bad? I can't tell. I get mixed answers

[forest coral]

maybe my elo is mid but I feel like dva doesn’t have a bad tank mu

the only matchup I consistently struggle with is double boop lucio

[proven knot]

I think she's good but like

ya lucio is the only real issue

[forest coral]

I have never felt a genuine sense of helplessness against any tank other than dva

against zar or rein or queen it always feels like there’s something I can do

but dva just annihilates you

[forest coral]

does strangle step reaper not have a solid case

as a strong hero

[proven knot]

reaper seems really hit or miss

stranglestep is faster tp right?

[forest coral]

doubles his lifesteal after using tp i think it's also faster ?

[proven knot]

if it's the faster tp one

that seems like a must pick

[forest coral]

the lifesteal is what makes it insane i think

30% base lifesteal goes to 60%

then u add like 10% from phas flux 10% from thecommon item

and he has 100% lifesteal doesnt he

[proven knot]

With the faster tp I can't even react to his tp with Zen charging orbs for example

way less punishable

[forest coral]

but reaper is also a hero that just gets giga gatekept by double boop lucio

and matrix missiles dva

if it wasnt for those matchups he'd be an S tier hero imo

[proven knot]

Is Dva common on PC?

[forest coral]

i've been seeing her al ittle more lately

it's weird usually i see no lucios ever

yesterday i had like 3 games in a row that were lucio mirrors

almost every game had lucios

[proven knot]

thank god for no lucio

[forest coral]

then today i was back to seeing little to no lucios

[proven knot]

he's so broken

[forest coral]

he is

i put him as the strongest hero in the mode

just above mercy

[proven knot]

agreed

100%

he enables so many op things too

[forest coral]

i put dva as #3

[proven knot]

I don't even know where I'd rate her

Like

I wanna say she's op but idk. Seeing no one else play her

Feels biased

[forest coral]

i think double boop lucio just hard punishes my meka punch style

if i go full ap with liquid nitrogen lucio probably crumples

[proven knot]

tap into missile build

its insane

[forest coral]

my favorite thing is booster chains though 💔

i'm honestly at the point where if i see zen or lucio i probably just scrap meka punch though

maybe ana too

[proven knot]

booster chains look fun

def harder to pull off tho

[forest coral]

on console yeah

[proven knot]

on console not even worth

but even on pc its harder than just spamming missiles

I'd like meka punch way more if it didn't scale off WP :/

[forest coral]

im not sure about that if u get the elim with boosters or meka punch you just look for the next target and blitz them

most of the time they cant respond

[proven knot]

yeah i get it

[forest coral]

it doesnt

[proven knot]

typo

[forest coral]

ah

i mean i always get phantasmic flux first/second so

i get my wp otu of it

[proven knot]

i just go ttt first always and fish for one shots

but man i miss missile build with meka punch

[forest coral]

did the change mostly just kill it for controller

[proven knot]

yes

not that anyone ran it before tho

It definitely did kill all my builds for it

like aside from skill issue stuff

I liked it with ground pound

which I also didn't build WP on

[proven kite]

What’s the best Kiri build

[forest coral]

okay no maybe reaper is just ass in this mode

double coach ashe double boop lucio missile matrix dva all just make this hero useless

[acoustic kiln]

most common tanks on pc from my experience is rein and sigma

i see d.va like the 4th most used

[spare marsh]

i agree. im tired of getting 1 tapped by a dps zen thats been targeting me

[elder ore]

Donut delivery meta

With clone

Since the 65% damage reduction from clone is damage but not healing, even though the description says damage and healing

The clone will heal for 100% of your healing power, and scales with your weapon power

Also clone healing and damage now counts towards your healing/damage/kill stats

[paper snow]

chicken noodle soup is the real meta

:3

[neon galleon]

Yeah I can see them either reverting the clone to not count towards your stats or reducing Kiri’s money gain

[acoustic kiln]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/897ff8aa-da93-40bd-9a97-d38a66095a36

the mercy build that personally works the best for me

took me like 5 edits because the website was bugging out

[acoustic kiln]

holy crap i suck at dps

[acoustic kiln]

why does stadium build have to be down

i need my mei builds

[sharp wadi]

Is juno still good in staduim and if so whats a good build for her

[forest phoenix]

blink boosts still dominates

[bright briar]

the 20% slowdown omg. i hope they give symm a turret range power

skybox turrets sniping the freja

i really really really hope one of the powers is replacing her ult w/ old TP/genny

ive had a vision of the future.
one of the powers is gonna be placing wall damages enemies who are inside it

place wall at spawn door -> place 3 turrets -> 100% ap -> free currency

[neon galleon]

I am rediscovering my love for going beep beep into the enemy team as a hammer rein

[forest phoenix]

<@&397922982632226816> ^

[lone dome]

!ban 1353877591551115325 compromised acc

[upper narwhal]

Banned digimontassar (Case #210084)

[lone dome]

thank u shelby

[forest phoenix]

no thank you

[spare marsh]

ability power torpedo build EATS

its actually nasty I love it

[reef lichen]

can anyone give me tips on how to not burn in elo hell in stadium

and not lose 5 games and win 1 game and let the cycle repeat

i literally have to go an all ult cost reduction build in order to maybe get it once

[acoustic kiln]

who do you play

[reef lichen]

junkrat

i hate him so much but i cant play anyone else

but he sucks hot ass in stadium

im considering quitting the character entirely and just playing someone else in stadium, maybe freja cause she takes no skill and is up to my speed from how im playing junkrat, every build, every single fucking build i try doesnt work, weapon power, doesnt work, ap, doesnt work, survivability, doesnt work, i even tried sniper junkrat and that still didnt work

nothing works

i might be cursed

or maybe junkrat just isnt for me

should i just give up

[neon galleon]

I’d say Freja takes a fair bit more skilled than Junkrat, mainly in terms of aim and managing her mobility cooldowns to maximize her damage and survivability. Reaper/Mei are probably the next up when it comes to the minimum skill level needed to use them effectively.

I’ll be dead honest, WP Reaper is just the only reliable build he has, whether it’s use for flanking or as I like to call it chain killer, tank busting, or just plain brawling, WP is the best way to play Reaper, trying to use AP on Reaper is incredibly inconsistent at best and plain throwing at worst. Mei has 2 main styles in my opinion: using WP to make her secondary headshots lethal, or using AP with the coulder and blizzard powers to push them around, trap them with wall, and just overall slowly but surely wear them down.

[proven knot]

<@&397922982632226816>

[abstract hill]

!ban 750143826139545610 scam

[upper narwhal]

Banned rufus7686 (Case #210124)

[abstract hill]

First

HA

[proven knot]

xd

[hoary sierra]

!I HATE YOU!!!!

[abstract hill]

AHHAHAHA

[proven knot]

https://workshop.codes/JNC0K

Code for testing stadium builds if anyone wants it.

[autumn crescent]

small carry from me

(finished with 90k on dva, and 50k total damage)

rest of the team had almost none + we had a leaver

w supports tho couldn't have done it without them <3

[autumn crescent]

freja takes a suprising amount of skill to play effectively, its just she has a stupidly high skill ceiling, her shots can be annoying to land sometimes and as the other person said, cooldown management and effective movement

[neon galleon]

Oh that certainly helps a lot with figuring out good damage breakpoints to stop at. Something annoyingly tells me that it’ll still be annoying to figure out the Kiri clone’s actual health though.

[proven knot]

what do you mean abt kiri clone

[autumn crescent]

its based off of the kiri's health

[neon galleon]

There was a conversation I was apart of on here before about seeing if it was possible for someone like Reaper or Cass to one shot the clone, the main problem was I didn’t know what determined the clone’s actual health bar

[proven knot]

oh I remember that

yeah if you know the clone's hp you can def use this to figure out if you can one shot it

bit less relevant now tho with the clone being nerfed

[neon galleon]

Yeah it was back before the clone got all those changes, still could be good to know since I heard that the clone’s healing didn’t actually get nerfed, just the damage

[proven knot]

if you wanted to

you could just look up a popular kiri clone build

and base off of that

[neon galleon]

I gotta wait until I get off work anyway, I’m on break right now

[proven knot]

same

[oak crest]

Was Tokki Slam not even here or…?

[proven knot]

removed temporarily

some sort of bug

[haughty snow]

whats the best supports in staidum atm?

[neon galleon]

Honestly Ana and Zen are like the only 2 that can struggle to perform well for support in Stadium

All the other supports have easily obtainable capacity to be extremely strong in the mode, but I think Juno and Moira are the most capable of solo carrying teams

[acoustic kiln]

and mercy if she uses crep circle

[acoustic kiln]

you can make any of them work honestly if you know what you're doing

[neon galleon]

I was thinking more so in combination of healing and doing damage, Mercy carries through damage boost and pure heals, which is why even though Mercy can turn a game around just as much if not more than Juno or Moira, I would rate her at third place since the fact that her carry potential doesn’t involve her damage output means she is more at the mercy of her team’s skill level

[acoustic kiln]

fair

[neon galleon]

I would probably put Zen last, with Ana right next to him purely because of how screwed they are in this mode if they get dived and their team either can’t save them or doesn’t pay attention to them needing help, or in the case of my last Zen game, not doing much to help stop a bulldozing Orisa that got tired of me putting discord on her-

To be fair on the Orisa though, her health bar definitely didn’t like my discord orb explosions whenever she didn’t have fortify up to stop me from headshotting her

[elder ore]

Zen is so insanely song

Strong

[forest phoenix]

idk all the games I've had with a zen they never put out enough healing. even when I healbot as moira and average over 12k healing the enemy team still just gets astronomically outhealed

[fleet vortex]

You don't play Zen for the heals, you play Zen to have a third DPS on your team that can output some healing on the side

[forest phoenix]

but a 3rd dps just doesn't work in that mode if the other team has people that can heal 5x the amount he can

straight up never won a game with a zen on my team

and pretty much all the other supports in that mode are better DPS than zen and can do more heals

he can output lots of dmg but there is too much health, healing and movement for each of the characters

people still get melted when he ults, he's just not good in stadium

[oak crest]

Frog works hilariously stupid

[proven knot]

I think Zen is strong but also he’s rly hit or miss

cares a lot about the team preview screen

for both teams

[noble hamlet]

https://i.imgur.com/6amfjQH.png what even is this match making atp

i had more credits than ana + ashe combined at the end of the game

and yet we still lost

[neon galleon]

His damage with the discord orb powers is definitely nothing to ignore since it looks like they can ignore armor and thus force the enemy to get that rare survival item to make their shields reduce ability damage. Plus focusing on AP also improves his healing and can make him harder to kill if you grab the self orb, though I still wanna test if the self orb also works with that heal based on damage power and if it counts the discord orb powers

[proven knot]

it does

anyways zen mercy feels horrid to play with

[neon galleon]

It feels worse when you’re the Zen asking for the Mercy to help you against a diver-

[proven knot]

I've legit never seen that backline win a game

my team or enemy team

[neon galleon]

Funnily enough we did end up winning that game. That Orisa sure wasn’t fucking happy with me though

[forest phoenix]

s2g if I get a new player in my all star rank up game again

gonna crash out

[fleet vortex]

zen with "discord inferno" power does amazing burst damage, all you need to do is hit a headshot + bodyshot and most 300 hp heroes are dead. they die so fast healers cant even react in time

[fleet vortex]

if you combine self orb with enlightenment, the power that heals based on damage dealt, he basically gets 35% lifesteal

If you can aim, zenyatta with discord melts tanks faster than any another hero in stadium

[proven knot]

does tank passive exist in stadium

[neon galleon]

The critical hit one? Yes

Problem is once damage gets high enough that reduced crit damage starts mattering less and less

[proven knot]

I'm making a damage calc rn

Almost done with it too

[neon galleon]

I think with Reaper I got to around….like 70 something WP, I think one of my items was the one that also boosted crit damage, and the crit reduction wasn’t enough to stop a full headshot on JQ from being a 2 shot just cause of how much damage was getting sent out that was just base

[proven knot]

not actually gonna use any of the data from it in game tho

more of a feelscrafting guy

[neon galleon]

Meh the reaper one won’t ever come up anyway since there is no way in practice that you’ll get all of his pellets to hit the head

I did do some testing with WP Ashe and it can actually be kinda terrifying with the right stuff-

[proven knot]

the dva one wont either

I'

I'm only adding it as an option because why not

[neon galleon]

And by terrifying I mean I was able to reasonably get it to 3 shot Orisa-

And that test wasn’t using code breaker I ended up grabbing calamity to allow infrared sights to trigger. Also turns out that iron sights can start scaling very quickly-

…..wait when does Ashe’s damage falloff start?

[fleet vortex]

https://streamable.com/umgj3z
WIP Melee Zenyatta Build 😄 (Code: 2CP4Q)

[zenith igloo]

WP?

And the three shot is a base health orisa though isn't it

[neon galleon]

Weapon Power and yeah it is but that was also specifically without code breaker so I wasn’t ignoring part of her armor

[zenith igloo]

Crits or body shots?

Scoped or unscoped?

[neon galleon]

Scoped to trigger iron sights and it was headshots

Would be impossible for unscoped body shots to 3 shot Orisa I feel

I do wanna later test if Ironsights is adding onto WP specifically or if it is on its own scaling

Also wanna find out how much ironsights messes with her damage falloff range

Cause as far as I can tell Ironsights doesn’t have a limit on how high the boost can get, so in theory, you could effectively reverse your damage falloff and be able to snipe as far as Widow can

[frozen ginkgo]

what has better support synergy with zen in your games @hearty lodge

[hearty lodge]

Moira/Lucio (AoE healers basically)

Because both fill the weakness each other have. Zen can damage while healing the flank characters and Moira/Lucio can mass heal the rest of the team

[frozen ginkgo]

Ayo is Lucio becoming more viable

[hearty lodge]

Lucio with speed reallly helps too

Lucio is very good rn

im having a blast with DPS Lucio

7 seconds to get to their base round start and then they just can't kill you

it's like old DPS Juno but harder to play

[hearty lodge]

The problem is that Zen is pretty mediocre tbh

so any support duo with him will feel a bit lacklusting

[neon galleon]

Good lord they really want someone to fall for it

[neon galleon]

Alright did some more testing with Ironsights and 30m away seems to be the sweet spot as past that my damage kept falling off, either because it maxes out at a 20% boost or because of just how much her damage drops once you get past 30m. I did a few tests using Reaper as the target via boosting his total hp via the workshop, and at 30m, Ashe with 95% WP without Ironsights and Ashe at 65% WP with ironsights do the exact same damage at 30m, meaning instead of Ironsights being a 20% boost and not counting the initial 10m needed to trigger it, it’s a 30% boost that counts the initial 10m requirement, technically making it the highest WP multiplier in the mode I think. Past 30m though Ironsights will beat it out as its damage increase continues to rise. Eventually though damage falloff still hits you like a truck, knocking your damage down to around 116 per headshot

Also the only other item that actually mattered for the test that I had on was The Closer since it was increasing my crit damage

Now armor on the other hand was an interesting test as on Orisa having codebreaker as one of my items resulted in 238 damage while having something like Talon Modification Module resulted in 234 damage

Either way Orisa was still a 3 shot to the head, and even with incendiary rounds it left me about 20 health off from a 2 shot

Not even the max head honcho boost was enough to make it a 2 shot I would need both head honcho and incendiary rounds to turn it into a 2 shot

[bright briar]

Is this accurate? practice range tickrate is so weird

for any DOT healing/damage, it seems to be extremely inconsistent. sometimes moira orb deals 211 dmg, sometimes it does 225,

[neon galleon]

I am 1 win away from getting into All-Star as dps…

Wait fuck I forgot about pro-

[main jungle]

Melee Lucio (or as I've dubbed it, aura farm Lucio) has been really fun, stacking weapon power and survivability with speed to just keep harassing the enemy, especially against sigma, orisa, or DVa

[full nacelle]

Guys i feel like freja got nerfed too hard in stadium. thoughts??

[main jungle]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/3de9738d-12ff-44eb-90a3-131fa715020a

[main jungle]

She fills a similar niche to Cassidy where it's just aim without much nuance in builds, I've had just as many freja's steamroll me as I've had feed all game

[cosmic saddle]

so battle net disconnected "attempting to reconnect" was the error and when I came back I joined the match and finished. So it connected me and let me join back into the game, but when I went to play another there was a timer. Confusing. Is that normal in stadium?

[forest phoenix]

FINALLY made it to all star

<@&397922982632226816> theyre everywhere

[lone dome]

what the hayl

[abstract hill]

!ban 810454034313773067 scam

[upper narwhal]

Banned killuashie (Case #210236)

[abstract hill]

‘One

Rahhhh

MINEEE

[lone dome]

what the hayl

someone ban this guy

what the hayl

[lone dome]

shelby my goat

[abstract hill]

Hey maybe for next time make a ModMail as @ mod @‘s all of us, but thanks for letting us know :3

We hate these stinky scammers

[lone dome]

actually ping me specifically so i can make sure silence bever gets another case again

[abstract hill]

That can’t even scam right

[lone dome]

kevin is reliable.

[abstract hill]

Bever

[forest phoenix]

oopsies will do

[lone dome]

i will find you. do not test Kevin.

[proven knot]

It is but it has limitations. You kind of have to be aware of them.

For instance the DPS calculation measures DPS in a given second. Which is different than just an average of damage over time. So lag or whatever seems like it plays a factor in calculations for that.

from my experience using it if you’re getting 2 different numbers for dps then the lower number is usually the accurate one

[proven knot]

<@&397922982632226816> I think I got an idea to stop this

[zenith igloo]

Throw the idea in modmail@proven knot

So we can all easily see it and come back to it

[proven knot]

k

[lone dome]

!ban 313008924821553164 scam

[upper narwhal]

Banned garyvill (Case #210288)

[lone dome]

thank u shelby .. i’ll try to talk to admins about it since it’s seemingly affecting this channel the most 😭

[forest phoenix]

it's a pandemic

[bright briar]

I actually managed to fix it!!

[proven knot]

how so

[bright briar]

I spent hours upon hours trying to come up w/ a way to calculate the numbers consistently.

i cant share images on here unfortunately but

[proven knot]

dm

Oh

[bright briar]

Just sent a clip ^^
It's of moira. It correctly calculates she does 50 DPS, and 200 total damage (this is actually inaccurate, moira orb does 204 damage total, but that's the number everyone is familiar with so its rounded)

It works with AP too

[proven knot]

That;s a smart workaround

That is perfect

I just finished my damage calc

And I was gonna add melee to it next

but I have no idea what the dps actually is on melee

[bright briar]

What im trying to do here is create "automated" testing routines for every hero

So every stadium hero can have bespoke tests for damage, heal, different builds

moira Im gonna make some heal/right click/orb/etc tests that can be ran, give the final output of relevant stats

so we can get actual hard numbers on what our builds are doing

[proven knot]

what's the code? If I can get numbers for quick melee's dps

I'm basically done with my calc

[bright briar]

I found that 3 orb moira power for example, that thing is TERRIBLE

It only adds 5DPS

those 2 orbs in total only produce 220 total dmg

[proven knot]

it's value is more in spreading orb's effects if relevant

anti for example

[bright briar]

oh yeah, the power is in triggering items

not saying its useless, but the raw stats are not why it should be chosen

i always assumed it wouldbe "ok" but i didnt think the stats would be that mediocre

[bright briar]

Uh it's not really setup for testing individual things like that atm

It's like, fixed, those clips I wasnt playing

[proven knot]

ah

[bright briar]

thats an automated routine

like moira auto throws and fades

i can share the source code though it's overpy

i'll commit this actually to github 1 sec

[proven knot]

aigh

[raw dock]

I thought u were talking about something in game lol

😭 I was like what is this ping

[proven knot]

lol i thought you were trolling me

[forest phoenix]

not one

but two

brand new players in my all star game

[lone dome]

it’s rlly annoying

like i wish the queues were more narrow

but the queue times already are abysmal so <\3

[forest phoenix]

it just feels like such a waste of time when I wait in line for 12 minutes only to get destroyed cause everyone on the other team is around the same skill level and I get a brand new tank or DPS that has never touched overwatch before i get that stadium is new but they advertised it as competitive so why not keep matchmaking similar to actual comp

[lone dome]

i think it’s genuinely bc not as many ppl are playing it as core overwatch which is super heartbreaking

i find the mode so fun, i can’t wait until unranked stadium comes out so i can finally play with my friends on other platforms

[forest phoenix]

TRUE I think its so fun, its the only mode I play now besides custom games

[hybrid gust]

bro i was on a fresh acc and played with fucking aspen and karkat

stadium mm is COOKED

[hybrid gust]

isnt unranked just gonna fuck up the already awful q times

[lone dome]

yeah more than likely

[hybrid gust]

tbh stadium "ranked" isnt ranked its just qp anyways

[lone dome]

but maybe it’ll make players get more interested in it since they can test out builds without having to worrying about a metaphorical rank

[lone dome]

yeah

stadium rank is not rlly indicative of how good u are but rather just how long ur willing to dedicate playtime imo 😭

[hybrid gust]

ive played with legend players and didnt even notice it

[lone dome]

yeahhh

i hit all star then stopped playing lmfao all i wanted was the skins

i didn’t wanna suffer in queue times for realistically nothing

[hybrid gust]

i like stadium alot

3rd person is fun

esp on genji

first person genji is so hard to play

[acoustic kiln]

i know its called quick play but i wish qp stadium was still 7 rounds

[lone dome]

every genji i’ve gotten in stadium has been so bad i hate to say that abt them but there was maybe only one who was goated

[acoustic kiln]

the feeling of making a comeback from down 0-3 is unmatched

[lone dome]

real asf

[hybrid gust]

most just suck at him true

he also just kinda sucks in general

[acoustic kiln]

sometimes they just need somebody to enable him

i suck at genji but i was playing alongside a d.va one time and we rolled a lobby together

[hybrid gust]

any awareness from the enemy team/if the enemy supports are aware means genji is unplayable

[lone dome]

i try pocketing them since i play mercy primarily and often times they do nothing w the dmg boost

[hybrid gust]

basically genji relies on the enemy team being bad the game

[acoustic kiln]

i def wouldnt pocket anybody as mercy unless they're absolutely cracked

[lone dome]

yea i mostly js battle mercy in stadium

it’s fun :D

[hybrid gust]

if the enemy support are unaware of existance genji can SWEEP

[acoustic kiln]

ive found that running just survival items on genji works well

being a distraction rather than a kill threat

[lone dome]

tank genji

amazing

[hybrid gust]

genjis best build is a one shot build with the dragonstrike after deflect

imo

hit the blade>m1+melee = dead

[acoustic kiln]

transference delta + vital-e-tee for 200+ armor is always nice

then you pick up crusader hydraulics and some lifesteal items and put every power in deflect

[hybrid gust]

if you play super baity and just wait out/bait cds one shot genji can thrive

but thats harder said than done

[lone dome]

we should play next szn

[hybrid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[lone dome]

-# (i think ur pc so we can’t this szn ..)

[hybrid gust]

yeah im pc

[lone dome]

i’m console 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

free me 💔

[hybrid gust]

brig and winston in stadium looks so fun holy

dude immortal winston 😍 😍

[lone dome]

😭😭😭

i’m horrified for the day ball becomes a hero in stadium

how would u even begin to kill that

[acoustic kiln]

im going to do vicious things with tank brig.

[hybrid gust]

ive been loving ball recently

in regular

hot take but alot of heros just dont work in stadium ngl

[acoustic kiln]

it'll make overwatch 1 brig look like a wet napkin

[lone dome]

not a hot take at all i fully agree

like i rlly don’t know how they’re gna make tracer work

tracer is gonna be so abysmal to go against

[acoustic kiln]

sombra is gonna be hell when she inevitably gets added

[lone dome]

right

like what do u do against these heroes 💔

[acoustic kiln]

WP bastion is going to be the stuff of nightmares

[lone dome]

bro is gen just gna be a second tank

bap in stadium is gonna be rough too

[hybrid gust]

i would rather a super curated well made list of heros with large pools of build choices than having to play against like ball sombra sym

[acoustic kiln]

oh my god i just realized stadium was just their scrapped leftovers from PVE

[lone dome]

yeah

stadium has been in the works for a long ass time

[hybrid gust]

alot of kits just dont have good scalability

[acoustic kiln]

widowmaker is either going to be terrible or oppressive

[hybrid gust]

mei needs her snowball removed and replaced

[lone dome]

i think terrible

movement is such a prevalent thing in stadium

[hybrid gust]

cant wait for level 3 turret whacker torb

[acoustic kiln]

the cryofreeze roll or the snowball headshot power nobody uses

[lone dome]

not to mention everyone has a bajillion hp

[hybrid gust]

cryofreeze roll

[acoustic kiln]

i think its a step in the right direction in terms of how unique it is

but its oppressive when it works well

[hybrid gust]

i mean it would be if you just couldnt do anything about it

maybe give the roll form an hp bar

like you can stop it from rolling

[acoustic kiln]

but more things like that where it fundamentally changes how an ability works to spice up gameplay like crepescular circle or back off

we need those

[lone dome]

oh is it rlly that bad? i haven’t rlly had any issue mei at all in stadium

[hybrid gust]

i HATTEEEE fighting mei in stadium

[lone dome]

if anything i feel like sobbing if i get a mei on my team 😭

[acoustic kiln]

i think going for WP and the wall freeze is better

[lone dome]

yeahh

[hybrid gust]

snowball feels so unfun to fight idk

[acoustic kiln]

getting dragged away from my team because i dont have a mobility move is hell

[lone dome]

i LOVE crepuscular circle

[hybrid gust]

cant wait for lifeweaver in stadium

[lone dome]

i lowkey kind of wish mercy had somethinf similar in her kit in normal game

just a mini valk

[acoustic kiln]

i used to hate it because i thought it was too strong

it still is i just like abusing it now

[hybrid gust]

how are they even gonna make 16 powers for lifeweaver 😭

bro has nothing

[lone dome]

it helps me get away with dumb asf rezzes and blow up ppl heh

[lone dome]

prob work something into his dash and petal

they’ll cook

i trust 🙏

[acoustic kiln]

i think he's gonna be like kiriko in a way

[hybrid gust]

i love jq in stadium shes so fun

[acoustic kiln]

where they focus on his offense

[lone dome]

plus lw can prob lean a lot more into dps in stadium

maybe dash creates a LW clone

[hybrid gust]

idk how people dont get her jump axe tho i feel like it makes her kit

[lone dome]

i need to not put that thought out into the universe

[acoustic kiln]

the character i want the most in stadium is symmetra

only because i KNOW she's gonna be annoying

[lone dome]

ability power ……… turrets …..

free me

[acoustic kiln]

that's an option

but also

just pure survival

[hybrid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

[acoustic kiln]

her beam does 180 a second anyways

might as well NOT DIE while doing it

[hybrid gust]

please dont add sym soon overwatch devs

😭

[lone dome]

what if there’s something that just gives her one giant turret

[hybrid gust]

torb ripoff

[lone dome]

the orb 🔥

orbmetra

[hybrid gust]

make her beams heal the turrets

[acoustic kiln]

cybervenom liquid nitrogen turrets

[hybrid gust]

dude wp sym is gonna be disgusting

[lone dome]

yeah 100%

[hybrid gust]

her orbs do a SNEAKY amount of damage

[lone dome]

bc the turrets also scale off her beam too right

[acoustic kiln]

her orbs are the main way i get kills when i play main game

[hybrid gust]

and the hitboxes on them are way to big

[acoustic kiln]

not anymore sadly

[hybrid gust]

its so weird cus i never see syms use them

[acoustic kiln]

they could add it back though

[lone dome]

oh they’re deff adding it to stadium

[hybrid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

[lone dome]

no shot they don’t

[acoustic kiln]

they do such good poke damage

and its really good against tracer

[hybrid gust]

yeah its so good

tbf most syms i play against r trash

[acoustic kiln]

the teleporter is going to be insane like usual

need a quick way to touch point: boom

need a d.va bomb in the middle of the enemy team

its there

[hybrid gust]

make taking the teleporter create a mini explosion

🔥

[acoustic kiln]

just taking off angles to flank and 2 shot with WP

i wonder if they would make a smaller version of her ult for half the ult charge

[hybrid gust]

tp into point, 5 people all take tp and wipe the entire enemy team

[acoustic kiln]

or turn it into a bap window

[hybrid gust]

i would be fine if sym was added cus i have a cool sym skin

[acoustic kiln]

i just got the witches bundle

[hybrid gust]

its so value and the skins are good but i do NOT play any of them anymore

technically kiriko is my most played character cus i played her exclusively when i was a silver player in s2

[acoustic kiln]

my most played character is mercy and i think sym is tied for 2nd with moira

and kiriko is somewhere in my top ten

[lone dome]

YOOOOOO SAME MERCY IS MY MOST PLAYED TOO :D

[acoustic kiln]

now i just need a brig mythic skin

[lone dome]

i play her too much

[acoustic kiln]

the difference between first and 2nd is insane

[hybrid gust]

genji is one hour behind my kiriko playtime but i geniunely think half my genji playtime is from genji ball

[acoustic kiln]

i think its 383, and then 40

[acoustic kiln]

REAL

[hybrid gust]

TRUE TRUE TRUEEE

i would kill for a brig mythic next season

[lone dome]

[acoustic kiln]

either brig, sym or sombra since moira and juno already got theirs

[hybrid gust]

so much i might save my prisms from this season just incase she comes next season

[hybrid gust]

more on game browser than qp is INSANE 😭

comp i mean

[lone dome]

there’s a lot of talk of lifeweaver and mauga getting the mythics next skin

lifeweaver getting the skin and mauga the weapon

[acoustic kiln]

I got a bunch of overwatch coins saved over so i should be able to hopefully get the mercy skin this season, and then get the battlepass next season

[hybrid gust]

i think lw got leaked but i really dont trust anything on twitter so idk

[lone dome]

yeah

supposedly it was datamined but

engagement farming also exists

[hybrid gust]

it was just file names from what iirc

[lone dome]

yeah

[lone dome]

i’m a casual girlie

i barely touch comp

i average low masters 💔

maybe one day if i lock in i’ll hit gm

[hybrid gust]

i do not play this game that much 😭

[lone dome]

oooh fair

[hybrid gust]

i only started in ow2 and ive taken many breaks

atp i only play ranked with friends

[lone dome]

i also started in ow2 ncisjxiajsownd

[hybrid gust]

😭

ive never been a super game time grinder

[lone dome]

mid to late s2 is when i started iirc

[lone dome]

yeah that’s fair <3

[hybrid gust]

my most played game is terraria and ive been playing it since i was like actually 6 years old

[lone dome]

yo peak

[hybrid gust]

dont even have half your ow2 time 😭

[lone dome]

😭

maybe i need to touch grass

[hybrid gust]

2.6k hours in 2 years is kind crazy ngl

😭

[lone dome]

that’s not counting time in queue …

overall play time 😭

[hybrid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

6h a day

[lone dome]

😭😭😭

[hybrid gust]

its like those rust players with like 40k hours

[lone dome]

those ppl r horrifying

[hybrid gust]

rust players are like peak gaming degen hours

[lone dome]

i saw a ss floating around w a dva player who had 20k hours on dva

idk how real it is

still scary to think about tho

[hybrid gust]

technically possible but no way you can geniunely keep up 6h a day for 9 years

i remember doing some math on a rivals player who was playing upwards of 11 hours a day

not including q

[lone dome]

what the hell

😭😭😭

btw @hybrid gust

[hybrid gust]

EDGING that killbox 😭

intense ass clip tho

[idle light]

IM SO TIRED OF ASHE BURN BUILD HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[hybrid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

me when I load into the match and see I’m facing Ashe ( I’m about to get one shot by nade every fight)

[inland quiver]

ashe nade op op

[neon galleon]

There is a rare survival item that reduces how long stuff like burn, wounds, and anti are affecting you

[ionic tree]

trhey need to nerf her

[ionic tree]

it only stops stuns and sleeps

[neon galleon]

No it affects all negative effects, it only heals you if you get stunned, slept, or hindered

[ionic tree]

oh really?

[neon galleon]

Yes, burn, wound, and anti heal are negative effects

[inland quiver]

what about discord orb

[neon galleon]

It’s a negative effect too but at the same time…it’s discord orb….that shit is gonna go back on you almost immediately if the Zen feels like it, either that or you just immediately kill him since in this mode especially Zen is just straight fucked if he gets focused on, either by something like an Orisa bulldozing straight to him or a diver going after him

[neon galleon]

Besides even if you have a way to naturally get rid of them like Reaper does, having the item on you can give you more freedom on when to use the ability

[full nacelle]

Ifeel like zen is pretty good in stadium from what ive seen. I do hunt him down hard when im on Freja but he can melt tanls so fast its scary

[neon galleon]

He can be good, but again, he is fucked if the enemy team goes straight for him and his team doesn’t save him

[full nacelle]

definately lol if the other team has good dive or just a freja he is an ez target

[neon galleon]

Orisa in particular can turn part of Zen’s damage against him with hooves of steel to give her even more shield health than usual while bulldozing past his team to get at him

It’s part of why to me Zen and Ana are bottom tier in terms of supports, not because what they can do is bad, but because of just how fucked they are when the enemy team decides they want them off the board

[hybrid gust]

brawl zen is really good

doing hella damage

can legit 1v1 stacked tanks with the right build

[fleet vortex]

@hybrid gust melee zen can 1v1 reinhardt actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6a6ibpFObA

Here is the build I used: https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/d6c8dfca-206e-47de-9883-a33bf6f6ca86

[hybrid gust]

the transcendence cancel perk actuall looking kinda disgusting good lord

ill try that out next time

[full nacelle]

you can basically become unkillable its fire lol

[fleet vortex]

yep its amazing for melee zen

it heals you, makes you invulerable, allows you to move fast

everything you could possibly want

[acoustic kiln]

this item is a MUST HAVE against ashe, ana, or JQ

[leaden patio]

Did DVA’s bomb ability get nerfed this season. I thought it increased the range to %200 not %100 but I could be wrong

[forest phoenix]

yeuh

[zealous escarp]

I haven’t had a full stadium game in the last 5 games

Keep getting leavers on my team or the enemy team

[hard marsh]

someone play stafium neow

[leaden patio]

Why???? Dva is one of the worst tanks already in stadium. Her one ability that made her good is nerfed now?

[proven knot]

its not even her best build

[proven kite]

What’s the build for two Kiri clones?

[spare marsh]

that's a thing??

[proven kite]

Apparently lmfao

[spare marsh]

bro what

I need

I need that????

hello???

im looking this up rn

[proven kite]

IF YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT PLEASE LMK

[bright briar]

Honestly that bomb build made the game so much more fun. It made bomb actually a complete panic. Didn't realize it was nerfed, never see it anymore

hope it gets buffed. id rather die running for cover than insta die to 2 of the 50 rockets dva spams

speaking of bomb ults. im suprised riptire didnt really get anything. that thing dies in 0.1s after round 1

junkrats shift boost perk is somehow better than like 80% of jr's stadium powers

[acoustic kiln]

they disabled ana's dreamy for some reason

[fleet vortex]

The detonator item is nerfed, but you can still charge the ult just as fast as last season

You need to be a bit more careful how you position the bomb with your boosters

My bomb spam build for Dva: https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/fe7de58e-b0ca-4612-a715-bc78a8b726e9

[spare marsh]

I did not find anything 😔

[molten quartz]

bro genji has so many good perks its hard to choose

[pearl timber]

is chaingun supposed to heavily alter soldiers recoil pattern? its not said anywhere but it makes the pattern much more erratic

[sudden bridge]

Don’t notice any thing

[proven knot]

nah bomb build was dumb

that needed to be changed

[twilit knot]

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[pearl timber]

#video-content same controller input to control recoil in both, i was testing to see how much mouse movement i need to control different atk speeds, chaingun makes it go nuts

just wondering if this is intended and if so, why it isnt mentioned anywhere

[bright briar]

okay wth

i just tried dva missile build

i odnt understand WHY DOES IT DO SO MUCH DAMAGE

you look at someone after round 2 and they just evaporate??

[acoustic kiln]

well you see

[leaden patio]

It wasn’t dumb. Plus the build is based on an ult ability her missile build is prob much better but now that’s like her only build that’s good now.

[acoustic kiln]

normally the splash of her missles do 5.5 damage

you increase that by 350%

thats nearly 25 damage per missile just off splash damage alone

with 0 AP

you include the base 3 damage

[leaden patio]

Plus dva had a glitch where her Defense matrix ability that reduced dmg of beams by 65% did not work. (Don’t know if this was fixed or not)

[acoustic kiln]

27.75

166.5 damage just from pressing the missile button

with no AP mind you

at round 3 lets say if you're truly min-maxing you have like 50% AP and the double missiles power

you can do nearly 500 damage with missiles alone

in a VERY short time

@bright briar did that help

[bright briar]

i was asking why more in the spiritual sense like

why has god forsaken us

[acoustic kiln]

oh

[bright briar]

is this hell sorta thing

[acoustic kiln]

well every character needs at least 1 broken build

[bright briar]

except junkrat

he gets air

[acoustic kiln]

straight wind

god forbid the enemy runs mercy juno

[bright briar]

is macro missile worth it

the other missile one

[bright briar]

ok no its not

i sold that and suddenly could kill things

(by kill i mean i tap e and the 600hp mei dies in 1 frame)

[acoustic kiln]

onslaught ordinance looks way better

[proven knot]

its kind of a scam

[errant scarab]

does anyone know if the healing reduction from el-sa'ka supressor and cybervenom stack?

[neon galleon]

They don’t

[bright briar]

macro missile i honstly couldnt tell if it did more dmg

all it did was boop people away

maybe it could be a good BM tool though.

give them slowdown, antiheal, and now boop them around alongside deleting 500hp isntantly

dva also has such a fun build w/ the lava spam thing

becoming a dva main overnight

[proven knot]

it increases damage by 25%. almost like getting 25% AP essentially

problem is the booping thing is kind of pointless at best and disruptive to YOU at worse. it also doesn't actually give you any AP so it doesn't buff anything besides missiles that also scale on AP.

so the question really becomes why buy it over something else that also gives AP but has a more useful effect?

[fleet vortex]

I was doing AP missile build and I accidentally de-meched myself from the splash damage. Those missiles do so much damage, have to be careful when using it at point blank range

[nocturne sandal]

ip grabber

[acoustic kiln]

mods cut his head off

[nocturne sandal]

And this

[acoustic kiln]

mods give that one the Judas cradle

[bright briar]

Oh I stg. In R7 if you use those rockets wrong

-500 hp from self damage 😭

[fleet vortex]

Yeah I know, I will never dive a junkrat again with 100% AP rockets 😭

The grenades he dropped after dying + my own splash damage reduced my HP from full to zero in about 2 seconds

[bright briar]

Oh wait midseason is today i think

DVA is 1000% getting nerfed

Pls dont aaron

dva being able to insta delete is balanced. we need squishies to feel fear again

every tank should have a build like this raid boss

[fleet vortex]

Do you think they will nerf rocket base damage? Cause that would make early game suck so much.

[bright briar]

if they dont nerf the damage, they'll probably reduce the AOE of it

hope they dont catch onto the moira meta emerging

moiras 3 grasp power is still kinda slept on. it's insanely strong

[acoustic kiln]

it is very annoying to go against

you think you got away or you're safe behind cover

SUCC

and dead

[bright briar]

its also bugged xD

If you get chained onto, move away from moiras target. It stays locked on

you could teleport across the entire map and moiras right click would stay locked on for those 3s

[acoustic kiln]

THEY BUFFD DVA

THEY BUFFED D.VA

tokki slam scales off armor and shield now, facetanking gives 50% healing instead of 30%, and a new item that adds 15% damage reduction against beams when you have armor

MEI SNOWBALL SLOWS ON EVERY HIT INSTEAD OF JUST CRITS

[bright briar]

uh

oh lawd they did actually buff her LOL. ok

[acoustic kiln]

OH MY GOD

KIRIKO CLONE BUFF

THEY NERFED IRONCLAD EXHAUST PORTS AGAIN

[bright briar]

they buffed kiri clone but nerfed the TP power

[acoustic kiln]

i dont know if i wanna play kiriko or mercy right now

[bright briar]

neither. moira

[acoustic kiln]

NO

too easy to get wins with her

[bright briar]

did they fix dva self healing. it doesnt seem to be listed

for some reason dva, ability lifesteal doesnt seem to ever proc

or it does, but its extremely inconsistent

Fixed an issue with Ana’s "Dreamy" Power incorrectly doubling the damage of her Sleep Dart. 😭
it was fun while it lasted

honestly they need to readd that as a power it was so fun

[spare marsh]

I need a team

im tired of leavers

PLEASE

I play mercy/kiri on pc

currently elite 3

[proven knot]

ok slam needed it

facetanking tho

ya…

it was already broken before

[nocturne sandal]

im curious what type of scam is this? How are ppl supposed to fall for it if its so obvious?

[proven knot]

it’s a botnet you’re not gonna get a response

I actually have no idea how the scam is even supposed to work tho

Like, where’s the call to action? How do I let this dude steal my money right

it’s just pictures lol

[acoustic kiln]

for sure

[proven knot]

but yeah i literally had facetanking on every single one of my builds before. Like I actually considered it a must pick even

[neon galleon]

I’m pretty sure it was even before the buff cause I think the plot armor item allowed the powers and items involving DM to work off of the beam damage Plot Armor negated

[proven knot]

yes

[neon galleon]

So even if you were facing like Zarya Mei Moira you could just grab Plot Armor and everything would work again, and you SHOULD be grabbing Plot Armor anyway against that team

[proven knot]

yup its worked that way for a while

basically trivializes zar with facetanking

or countermeasures

or both

[proven knot]

@forest coral Yo slam is back

Wanna test a build for me? I’m basically just gonna choose meka punch first like you do but then slam next

[forest coral]

i could try but lowkey i've been playing super duper ass lately

[proven knot]

your call. I’m not even convinced it’s good. I’m just trying to find a way to justify it

I was thinking a weapon power build would be the move

I’d test it myself but I can’t hit double melee and that’s kind of the skill ceiling for the build

[forest phoenix]

you would be surprised what people fall for

[proven knot]

there’s nothing to fall for

there’s no link or website mentioned

[neon galleon]

Well according to the patch it uses both armor and shield health now and Dva does have a few items to give herself shield health

[hybrid gust]

why is dva immortal

[proven knot]

yeah i ran the numbers already

it does 97.5 dmg by default

and 7.5 extra per 25 shields/armor

So problem here is if you’re running an AP build

missiles

Lava will do more damage

So go lava instead

So that leaves just weapon power

For justifying using it

[bright briar]

do the shields need to be active

[proven knot]

idk prob not

armor doesnt

cant imagine shields woule need to

[bright briar]

ive been trying that power a little but it seems kinda bad

not because of the damage, dmg is okay. but

you have to fly way too far up i think

cant use it in a lot of areas

[proven knot]

It’s hard to use

Fun power tho

[bright briar]

ive been having alot of fun with ult build

its not amazing. early rounds are rough

but that 15% ult speed and stacking ult gen items

that bomb becomes map wide i stg

bomb scales with AP right so like

surely 100% AP == 100% bigger

[proven knot]

Yes

also no

It does not increase the max range

[bright briar]

ah

i just keep that other item on anyways

the air = 200% or smthn

i have some clips where people are like across the map and die to it on point 😭

[proven knot]

its a huge radius

I used to use bomb build

i dont like it now tho

[bright briar]

missile build is really good but it kinda gets a little boring like

its really really strong but

[proven knot]

oh i never get bored with it

[bright briar]

its kinda just the same thing every game

with bomb build its so fun to just get creative with where u throw it

[proven knot]

you could play missile build differently

I play her like a flanker

[bright briar]

especially given the extra range, you can have some extremely strange angles

[proven knot]

I dont mean off angles here either

i mean flanking

[bright briar]

oh yeah i run that sometimes. dont get me wrong

its very satisfyiing just peaking a mercy and she dies in .1s

but idk.. the dopamine of getting a 4man bomb

especially when theyre like 5 miles away and they 100% thought they were safe

[proven knot]

I just got tired of being reliant on bomb to get kills

[bright briar]

yeah. ive started to incorporate missile into it

not the full missile build. but just that power alone

it helps gen ult alot faster

and secure kills

also makes for a very funny round 3 reversal

enemy team gets used to the normal bomb speed and damage

then u hit them w/ the 15% thing and 200% bomb range

[unreal vapor]

anyone else constantly get put on signapore servers when playing in australia? despite living is SYDNEY

[neon galleon]

Which I find has its own problems when it comes to getting people off of you without the item to let you fire them while DM is active

[bright briar]

this is so funny bc i keep randomly getting sydney servers when i live in the uk

[forest coral]

@proven knot surely this isnt u

[acoustic kiln]

peak banner

[rocky sky]

Bro, do it, promo code for $2500 "mrbeast" - https://gamora.cfd/

[stark torrent]

Can anyone help me understand how to get better at stadium for juno?

[turbid kiln]

what is that build

[forest coral]

they made it so tokki slam scales off of both armor and shield health

so my dva was going for a build that relies on melee and tokki slam

buiilds both sustain and bulk

[turbid kiln]

mf named herdaddy tryna say im bad

[turbid kiln]

oh yeah forgot bout that change

also in was making ample space i feel like it for my dps to do something but i seen them lose 1v1s consistently the entire match

[neon galleon]

I can kinda see it, going in with the mech melee and if it doesn’t kill you can try to finish them off with the slam

I would probably not build too much for slam though and save it purely as a finisher. Maybe get one of the items that lets Dva slowly build up shield health depending on which tank I’m fighting and then that 15% extra health, armor, and shield item, the rest can go into my actual damage, probably weapon damage so I could try to shoot them down as I go in for the melee and slam finisher

[bright briar]

did dvas misile power get removed.

😭 its gone

[turbid kiln]

wait what

the heavy missles?

wtf

its gone

bruh

[forest coral]

was it based off the main game perk or smth

[turbid kiln]

ye

it was like her best build though

[forest coral]

i mean i've won all my dva games today without it

[turbid kiln]

that was my fav build for dva

missle build

[forest coral]

one of them was into lucio zarya which is like her worst matchup

[turbid kiln]

oh they

made a new perk for zarya

i meant to fight zarya

refraction armor

[turbid kiln]

so are they finna nerf any of junker queens perks

[forest coral]

no that hero is way too swingy

real question is how they hell have mercy and moira dodged cash generation nerfs for months

[turbid kiln]

swingy

she is practically immortal bruh

[forest coral]

the moment one person on your team gets cybervenom and liquid nitrogen that hero becomes useless

honestly all of the heroes i play have a built in check for jq

my genji and dva builds are both hybrid and can run liquidnitrogen/cybervenom on juno i can get stinger with either of those items and just give people speed 2 out rotate queen and my reaper build just outsustains her

[forest coral]

like idk i had a game where i was struggling hard against a queen mercy zen comp queen never died and my engages would always get burned by discord and then around round like 5 i was like wait a second do i even have to engage

i would literally just play choke and the moment queen shouted i would just missile her to apply liquid nitrogen (maybe cybervenom if i had it) and boop her back if needed

kill the shout engage and u kill the hero's effectiveness

if she hasn't fully retreated after shout u can probably also just kill her outright

by rushing her

[turbid kiln]

ya but if your tank doesnt know how to play against queen

also my sigmas build wasnt very good

[forest coral]

who were u on

[turbid kiln]

moria

i can survive junker queen but my other teammates get shredded

[forest coral]

the literal best user of liquid nitrogen cybervenom in the game..

[turbid kiln]

my build wasnt around ability

[forest coral]

ah that's the issue you're playing moira without using the one thing that makes her viable