stadium-discussion

[proven knot]

im so serious about only playing dva. even my support builds are contingent on playing with a dva

[hearty lodge]

lmao

[proven knot]

lol it works but like

[hearty lodge]

i bet you made the perfect support build to help dva

[proven knot]

oh i did but only ana because shes my second most played character

good build but youre so fucked without a dva

[silent otter]

Does Weapon power affect the healing on Ana and Juno?

I mainly play Juno but I do need to try and heal more…

[hard marsh]

yes

[silent otter]

Alright ty

[clever imp]

Stadium Queue times should be lower

[empty dagger]

does anyone have a crazy build for freja or ashe?

[proven knot]

@empty dagger

[empty dagger]

aight lets see it. if its just a weapon power one ill be cooked lol

[proven knot]

it is

it has defensive utility too tho

if thats an issue

the writeup is pretty solid

[proven knot]

oh ya it has mark of the kitsune and 3 tap tommygun

[empty dagger]

damn so its just weapon power with items i was using except adding tommy gun and spamming primary more which might be decent

it doesnt show kitsune till round 7 but why would you even get that

[proven knot]

because kitsune is great

[empty dagger]

yeah but you dont want ap on freja

[proven knot]

i mean youve seen the ttt kitsune combo

its so good

[empty dagger]

i guess you could try the bola thing but it doesnt pull people in anymore

[empty dagger]

yeah but its good when ap is good

you know actually

[proven knot]

eh just try it

[empty dagger]

should go to the practice range

and see how much damage it does with the bola item which no longer pulls people in

[proven knot]

youll be able to proc kitsune a lot

[empty dagger]

wdym

only if you have that bola power

which isnt on the build

unless the bolt counts as ability dmg?

[proven knot]

does it?

[empty dagger]

then its not really worth

ok no it procs after you use dash

but like its not good if you arent building the ap

what makes it op is when you have high ap to pair

[proven knot]

nah im def using it when i run this build

[empty dagger]

why

this build doesnt even have it selected until the last round

let me think about the alternatives tho

i think its fair to say using kitsune might be the best if you aren't good at aiming LOL

wouldnt deep pockets make sense

if we are just spamming primary fire

also we like cd reduction

so maybe just get iris

let me see how much dmg it does basically just cheesing tommy gun and kitsune with cd reductions

unrelated but i wonder if aerial distresser counts the stuff thats technically ability dmg etc but its from my gun shooting

[vapid stone]

still

STILL waiting 10 mins for a support game

what is going on??

[empty dagger]

yeah this feels ass to play compared to Juno

[vapid stone]

13 mins until queue popped.

what the actual fuck

13 minutes i wait

for another juno mercy game

[sullen sail]

i've seen SO many mercys fuck up their builds its funny

i actually have to go mercy and do the work myself if i wanna win

[proven knot]

actually

ya this build seems perfect for you

[empty dagger]

Not getting threads of fate first is literally throwing

[proven knot]

kitsune + ttt is a lot of cheese dmg

[sullen sail]

threads of fate is SO fucking goated

[empty dagger]

It feels bad I tried in range (after using Juno)

[sullen sail]

wait let me share the build that i found

[empty dagger]

Like there's no reason I would play freja to run a much worse version of the Juno build

[sullen sail]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/mathnerdmercy

ts so beautiful

[hard marsh]

mercy

[verbal stratus]

🤯 I love learning from detailed guides like that 🙂

[fathom ermine]

been having fun trying different things but just first getting the power that makes updraft launch an alt-fire bolt. the burst that this gives you when used right after an actual alt-fire just isn't fair imo. not sure why more people don't take it first when this enables so many double-stick opportunities. Healers simply can't react to the burst fast enough in my experience.

[livid marsh]

I never use threads of fate

I'm a hypermobility mercy

[fallow socket]

queue said 20mins and i found it in 4

rejoice

[lunar veldt]

how can a rein possibly play against, zen + ana + junk + reaper

there is no build that keeps me alive and lets me do anything

when i have dps that don't shoot anything but the floor

[acoustic kiln]

pray.

or just go all in on the firestrikes and punish their lackluster healing

[hearty lodge]

I used to run it on that freja build but after doing some math, WP makes more sense at early game. It just deals more damage than kitsune. TTT is still there tho, insane damage boost in the mid game

[lunar veldt]

right and say if the enemy tank is sigma, orisa+deflect or zarya then what do I do

[forest atlas]

does anyone know what the unstoppable affect does for allies? it’s in adescription for Orisa in survival, hollagram helmet

[hearty lodge]

makes them unable to be pushed away

or stunned, or slept, or hindered

they can still be affected by antiheals and discord orb but not slows

[forest atlas]

ooh ok ty

[paper snow]

the more I play stadium the less I expect the norm

it feels like everytime I see some character who feels weak they end up being insane

I thought junkrat would be insane and then I realized zen was crazy op

I like how every week there seems to be a new meta build for a different character

and like it either gets nerfed or ppl get bored and just switch it up

its so cool to see such a different view on OW and competitive games in general

I like how its not just be optimal, or be OP... its genuinely cool to see ppl get bored and try new metas

Stadium is just random and I love that

[verbal lake]

What’s the ideal Zarya build chat

[hearty lodge]

Made some Lucio rollouts today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onmhlrR8T-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgEhjJFe7h8

[hearty lodge]

hehehehe IT WORKS HAHAHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKtc0bjT5dw

[acoustic kiln]

ashe gets ult charge from self damage apparently

i dont know why i was so against crepescular circle

this power is amazing as long as the enemy doesnt have a soldier

i like to get it round 5 and then get either distortion or serenity depending on how confident i feel in not dying

[neon galleon]

Firestrike them. Also get divine intervention since most of their attacks will breach 100 thanks to the discord orb

[proven knot]

nice. well worth the number lol

absolutely shattered that team’s ankles on esperanca

[proven knot]

I think what I really like about stadium is that regular 5v5 has more or less been figured out. Like there’s nothing really new to say about it

But stadium is still so new and builds are dynamic. You actually can make GOOD new builds and strategies that people are not using at all and I think that’s cool

[verbal lake]

Yea it’s amazing

Even if they have hitscan, you can position yourself better. You don’t have to be in the sky. That’s what I do at least

[paper snow]

ye... I havent been this obsessed with OW since 2017 like I doubled my hours in this past 4 months

[ornate hedge]

1 minute support queue

am i dreaming

[proven knot]

same. first time in a long time ive actually felt the need to learn the game

[forest phoenix]

when are they gonna finally fix matchmaking

rookies in my pro games

was pro 2 and I kept getting new players and now I'm back down to pro 5

[ornate hedge]

i dont think theyre gonna make it mmr

they mentioned they wanted it to be casual but still ranked

so not really to be taken too serious

[forest phoenix]

its just like everyyy time I get close to all star I get brand new players, the ranks shouldn't be that spread out during games it seems unfair on all sides

[proven knot]

idk it feels kind of bad

Like my dps is ass. I’m plat. But I keep getting actual good lobbies

[ornate hedge]

true

[proven knot]

getting diffed by gm/all star players

when I’m the lowest rank

[ornate hedge]

it doesnt feel nice

but we cant do much but make broken builds to carry

sadly

i wish i could have a team who know how to play the game too

[proven knot]

It really just feels like I HAVE to play tank or support to have fun

I’m ok with losing but losing like this doesn’t feel fun at all

[ornate hedge]

THIS

[proven knot]

Like those are my 2 good roles. If I get a gm lobby it’s fine

[ornate hedge]

a bunch of the dps in stadium dont even feel fun anymore

ashe is boring without a pocket mercy

[proven knot]

i cant tell. i need to play with people my level to have an idea

but i legit havent gotten a single game

[ornate hedge]

i feel like mmr could get added later on

when people take stadium seriously

when they add drives probably

but rn alot of people just play it as another quick match

[proven knot]

hope so

rn with how matches have been going

dont even have the chance to try any “broken” dps build

just don’t make any money fighting masters/gms on that role

[ornate hedge]

part of that could also be cuz its the most boring role in stadium

the powers on dps feel like base game

[proven knot]

Oh yeah also. More of a problem with the role than matchmaking. But dps feels way more susceptible to snowballing and losing than any of the other roles

[ornate hedge]

nothing crazy to change how theyre played like dae hyun or crepuscular

[proven knot]

yeah probly

but again really hard to tell with how mm has been

id rather wait longer to fight my elo than get a quick game

[ornate hedge]

we’ll just have to wait and see what blizzard does

[proven knot]

hopefully something. At least wide q hasn't felt bad when I'm tank tho

Tank is broken so having dia teammates vs gm dps actually has been pretty winnable

[ornate hedge]

yeah

[proven knot]

wonder what they could even do with dps

role feels mid on average but also seems like it has a lot of potential to be broken if you're just landing shots

[ornate hedge]

true

back to the most boring argument

[proven knot]

the difference between those 2 experiences tho

feels much more extreme than the base game

eh maybe dps needs more build variety? is that the issue

[ornate hedge]

thats what i think

cass has the worst of it

[proven knot]

tank and support both have felt like they actually have real choices for builds

like ofc some builds will just be better. nature of the game mode. perfect balance isn't rly possible

but it feels less like right builds vs wrong builds

unlike dps

which i think takes a lot of fun out the game mode. making builds is a big part of why i have fun with it

[ornate hedge]

i agree

[hearty lodge]

i did it again hehe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJSNjZdQpAE

didn't get kills but i disrupted their whole formation

[proven knot]

rollouts look crazy. can he speed teammates faster in stadium too?

[hearty lodge]

sadly no

[proven knot]

shame

i wanna cook up something

[proven knot]

What's the boop do in the clip again? Is it speed increase

I'm wondering if following Lucio behind the buildings is actually possible

[ornate hedge]

in survival theres a perk or whatever they're called

while in speed mode boop pushes u too

[proven knot]

ah

[hearty lodge]

It boops you as if you were an enemy

that's how im getting so much speed

[proven knot]

makes sense

But I'm thinking if the rollout was slowed down a little

I might just be able to fly behind the buildings with you

wonder what characters could do it

because it's a guaranteed instant first fight win if you could get 2 people doing that

[hearty lodge]

if lucio juno dva get there in time it's such a win

the problem is that if the enemy has a DPS Juno as well it's not worth doing it

im not one to complain since i made the build but it's such BS playing against DPS Juno without having one in your team

im legit not having fun in stadium cause either i don't play Juno and lose against a Juno using my DPS build, or i play juno and it's the hardest match in the world where im fully responsible of having to juno diff in a 1v1 where most of the time they are being pocketed

[proven knot]

Wait. Did you actually make it? Like, it's your build? Not a variant of someone else's?

And popularized it?

[hearty lodge]

yeah

by the end of first week of stadium i had posted that build

[proven knot]

That's sick man I had no idea

[hearty lodge]

it's been on the stadiumbuilds.io site for like 2 months now

that's why its the most liked build, it's strong and old

and unnerfed

in fact, it's been buffed since the release of stadium

multiple times too

[proven knot]

Haven't really checked stadiumbuilds much

Didn't know it was that big. I'm avoiding posting some of mine rn because they will 100% get nerfed if I do

which is fine but like, I need content for the guide

Anyways

So the problem rn is that Lucio speed loses a lot of value if the enemy team has a Juno using your build?

[hearty lodge]

no, it's that juno just straight up kills lucio if he tries to dive like that

[proven knot]

Alright

I think I can work with that

[hearty lodge]

or juno herself dives your team and then your team loses

im not even kidding, she's so fcking strong she deserves her own tier

[proven knot]

I agree

[proven knot]

My duo has been singing praises about your build

[hearty lodge]

she's stronger than pre-nerf aimbot soldier

[proven knot]

How much hp does your build have if you know off the top of your head?

nvmd got it

[hearty lodge]

around 500?

[proven knot]

400

[hearty lodge]

ah

but you get overhealth

[proven knot]

oh

right

[hearty lodge]

and lumerico is healing 25 hp/s

[proven knot]

Is there a world where Lucio can apply anti heals?

[hearty lodge]

ironclad is giving you 25 overhealth per second at a maximum of 100 overhealth

and then hyper ring can give you 150 overhealth again

[hearty lodge]

nah, not worth it

cybervenom on boops? not worth it

[proven knot]

im thinking of what a duo would do

[hearty lodge]

el-saka suppressor on headshots? too inconsistent

[proven knot]

agreed

[hearty lodge]

legit if you plan to get to legend you gotta either play juno, or play something that counters her

at least in my server

everyone's playing my build now and it pisses me off, mostly cause when i win they are super quiet and leave but when i lose they throw a "juno diff" or "ezez" like they arent being boosted by the character

[proven knot]

I actually think my build can

[hearty lodge]

dva can def put up a fight

[proven knot]

its ttt + kitsune

[hearty lodge]

dva and zarya are the best tanks to play against her rn

[proven knot]

i get tons of free damage for missing cds

no sustain at all. all ap so kitsune is doubled in power

and ttt factors in overhealth?

3% is 3% of total pool

not just base?

ok dva lucio is doable. no need for anti

200ish or 140ish (+ sustain) hp left if i miss literally all of my cds and shots

ok def guide worthy then

[hearty lodge]

also, this is old, i tried your dva build and it's pretty nuts

[proven knot]

oh was it the missile one?

[hearty lodge]

i just did TTT + MotK + double micro missiles + meka punch

[proven knot]

loadout/facetanking/double missiles/doesnt matter

ok ya

[hearty lodge]

im hesitant to put her higher tho

i need more data

[proven knot]

i think shes S tier with the build

but

wr is low

so

idk

[hearty lodge]

we'll see next patch when she gets her buffs

[proven knot]

and i know im console but i have pc data too. it was important to me that i made her good on both platforms

like a console dva build wouldnt help a pc player because the platforms play so differently

oh ya if you could save some clips of you using that build in high elo pc that would be great.

just max out ap and choose no sustain items

[hearty lodge]

my tank rank isn't very high rn but im stuck on high MMR lobbies anyways

[proven knot]

thats fine

as long as you think theyre good

I think I want to show clips of other people using the builds I make when I get around to making the video

It seems better than just showing off my gameplay. Otherwise it's just a Throws Dva showcase, not a build showcase

[untold marten]

What is the best support in stadium? Im new to stadium I never tried it before I need to reach all stars for the mercy skin, any advice?

I’d highly appreciate it

[hearty lodge]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/legend_juno_dps_blink_boosts_by_reymercury

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

otherwise, kiriko is still pretty damn strong

[untold marten]

Whenever I click on the link it says something went wrong. Could you help me please 😭

[hearty lodge]

huh, weird

search the most liked build in stadiumbuilds.io then

otherwise, find something you like there, it's a good page to find builds 🙂

[untold marten]

If it’s not too much to ask for, could you please screenshot it and send it to me in private Dm 🫶

[primal shoal]

what games do you play when queing into stadium

i play celeste

[livid marsh]

Roblox

[hearty lodge]

I directly look at the timer so it hurries up 😑

[primal shoal]

raw dogging the timer

[proven knot]

how does aerial distresser work? 25% bonus damage to airborne enemies over 3 seconds

Shoot them for 100 damage for example and it would do 25 more over 3 seconds?

[neon galleon]

Pretty much from what I read, I honestly don’t think it’s doing much to Pharamercy once it shows up

[proven knot]

not really worried about that. I’m kind of just thinking about it rn as a flex option to guarantee kills
on Mercy and Juno. Aim is a bit rusty rn

getting the hang of pc again

[verbal stratus]

Hey! I fixed this issue today! The site should work as expected for you now 🙂

[hearty lodge]

it also triggers things like Three Tap Tommygun and the 25% includes bonus damage from items like TTT, MotK or Volskaya.

[proven knot]

that actually seems worth it

[untold marten]

Ahhh yes it works now

Tysm

God Bless

[paper snow]

so what I am hearing is nerf kiri and juno or nerf the support economy so they get less money for heals

[hearty lodge]

just get rid of blink boosts and clone powers

we don't need those characters doing that kind of stuff

or get rid of the aimbot on kiriko's clone, that would be a better fix imo

and remove ironclad instead of blink boosts

both options work

the only supports that should be very strong DPSing should be lucio and zenn, maybe ana

[paper snow]

agreed

[main jungle]

Eh, flanking is a main part of Kiri's kit, clone is just the lamest way for her to be good at it, if anything they should buff the rest of her dps build because it's all depressingly bad

[vapid stone]

i need support queue times buffed bro

I just shouldn't be waiting 12 minutes to play.

As a consistent regular thing

[proven knot]

Is there a way to filter builds by powers? Like if I wanted to find a build that uses a certain power

[verbal stratus]

There is! On https://stadiumbuilds.io/browse there is an item search field that lets you filter by all items and powers. 🙂

[proven knot]

appreciate it!

[fallow socket]

Holy thats disgusting what, instant pick in a juno blink boots mirror 😭

[acoustic kiln]

@hearty lodge thanks to your juno build i hit all star on support

to be fair i only played one game on it

but it was the last game i needed this season

[hearty lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kanokari-anime-fall-kazuya-kinoshita-gif-26402084

people, pls stop using that build 😭

the game's not fun anymore

[acoustic kiln]

we WILL be getting it nerfed and there is nothing you can do to stop us

[hearty lodge]

oh, nevermind then! pls use all you want so blizzard nerf nukes it quick!

[ornate hedge]

i made my friend learn ana just to deal with that build

[hearty lodge]

thank you for your service 🫡

[ornate hedge]

anytime 😊

[clever imp]

Do something actually cool, like healbot soldier

[hearty lodge]

im playing flanking lucio

[clever imp]

I do the same thing, except I’m on soldier and more reliant on pure ragebait

[hearty lodge]

right, but that instaloses to juno...

and in my server everyone's playing my build

(South America)

[clever imp]

She needs to aim >:) I think I can outrun her torpedos too

[hearty lodge]

not with Stinger, no

[clever imp]

It’s not too difficult to avoid I think. The biggest issue would be if I actually tried to fight back. If I just stay sustained I should be okay?? No clue

[hearty lodge]

blink boosts + stinger > ironcald + TTT + Cybervenom. Round 2/4 your soldier is not having fun

[hearty lodge]

30% reduced healing. 9% your max hp as damage every time she hits 1 pellet of her pea shooting gun

almost infinite flight, insane mobility, and 500 recoverable hp

like, im not saying that soldier build is not fun

it's just not fun against the people im playing against

[clever imp]

Yeah, I get that lol

[hearty lodge]

im so high in MMR my enemies seem like they have aimbot and then everyone's playing the most busted build available

i had to make an alt account to have fun again

[clever imp]

Burst damage screws me over a lot, not enough ways to counter it yet

[hearty lodge]

thanks THROWS again for that

[hearty lodge]

i'd say we need better defensive items but i'd be scared if the powerhouses (juno in this case) buys them as well...

[clever imp]

I’m in elite rn and the build is STARTING to fall a bit but it still holds its own

I refuse to get a aimbot build

[clever imp]

I want soldier specifically to get dmg reduction items like for his healing station. I want this build to be as prevelant as the aimbot one

[hearty lodge]

your build is his best build

better than aimbot

you just have to build TTT and MotK to pair with it so you have some damage

[clever imp]

Ttt?

[hearty lodge]

Three Tap Tommygun

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/0993cbfb-96c5-4477-ae60-2af50602eafd

[clever imp]

I need to learn stadium terms lol

[hearty lodge]

nah, i shouldn't be lazy and just write the whole name, mbmb

[clever imp]

I hate how the metas have devolved into burst dmg, probably my least favorite thing about stadium

It was unavoidable but still sucks

[acoustic kiln]

i can see why people use the double shield healing sigma build

[autumn crescent]

i hate how zarya has burst damage

but constant

would be annoying if the damage from her full powered beam were just on you for a second

its more annoying when it has basically 100% uptime due to stadium inflation

[ornate hedge]

only nerf juno got was hyper healer down to 75 from 100 😦

clone stats count for the player and the clone does 65% less healing and dmg

sounds nice to me

[main jungle]

Juno meta goes on another patch

Juno Ana Zarya + any dps is probably gonna be the meta comp

[ionic tree]

love how they buff junkrat even tho he doesn’t need buffs

they nerf the wrong characters and buff the already OP ones 🙄

[thin inlet]

omg they kinda giga buffed ana

[fallow socket]

holy ttt 10.5k

wtf

[tired verge]

just make everyone broken if ur gonna make juno broken

[ornate hedge]

to be fair this wasnt intended

he just made the build to be broken by piecing them together

[fallow socket]

blink boosts was def intended to be a weapon power build item with vantage shot and long range blaster

and gravitational push

[ornate hedge]

vantage shot is new

blink boots has been in her kit since stadium release

[thin inlet]

blink boots is prbably getting axed soon, that shit turns ability power into weapon power with no downtime

[acoustic kiln]

time to get some healbotting kiriko games in

[ornate hedge]

stat pad of the century

[acoustic kiln]

hopefully it means what i think it means

that i get money off my clone

[ornate hedge]

yup

[acoustic kiln]

time to have some 80k cash games with under 10k damage

[verbal lake]

What’s the best Ana build? I wanna try her out but idk what to do

[paper snow]

youre gonna need a lot of movement speed

so granny doesnt have to walk as far

she can play both hybrid or focused

you will also need survival on her

buying armor is a must since you dont have movement

reductions will help

but mostly just experiment and have fun

she can do it all tbh

[tired verge]

i basically do a crit weapon power build with team nano

[empty dagger]

Juno is actually so broken you basically auto lose if you don't have her and the enemy team doss

Only thing stopping her is a godly hitscan

[tired verge]

i'd need owcs hitscan players to kill a juno

[acoustic kiln]

immediately went back down to pro

[thin inlet]

healbotting on supports in stadium is almost always a no-go

its only viable on mercy i guess

[main jungle]

What lobbies are you playing in? Junkrat is by far the worst dps which is saying something since a lot of them are lackluster to say the least

[main jungle]

No scope needed->our turn->your full potential->my turn
Build weapon power & r3 start diversifying with ult items or survivability items depending on comp/match-up

Oh, it wasn't in the patch notes but it seems like aerial distresser got a cost reduction

To 9000 from 10000

[fallow socket]

three tap tommy gun's price nerf to 10.5k wasnt mentioned either

lot of indirect juno nerfs

[acoustic kiln]

i went back to mercy and immediately won so

[acoustic kiln]

and we're back to all star

im not touching any support outside of mercy, moira and juno

[gusty hedge]

does every stadium player just reach all star and never touch the mode again and just wait till rank reset LOL ?

[fallow socket]

thats what i did s16

im going for legend this time tho

[empty dagger]

Didn't do anything

You can't do anything about Juno unless you're a high damage hitscan

I log on and get auto losses because I quite literally can't do anything

Then I just stop and go Juno and win 2 in a row but lose with no chance against a pocketed ximmer lol

Pocketed ximmers hard counter Juno while basically anything else outside hitscan can't do anything about her

[proven knot]

nooooooo

thats my favorite item :/

fuck juno tho

[ornate hedge]

get someone to play ana and hard focus her its super funny when they're perma slept into death when they try anything

sad its one of the only ways to deal with it but worth

[proven knot]

@forest coral What’s your dva build? Do you have a stadiumbuild for it? Someone was asking me abt meka punch and imma send them yours

[forest coral]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/af4788f8-bd99-40d4-9cea-57c00b4364ad

[proven knot]

ty

[proven knot]

didn’t change the build for meka punch nerf?

[forest coral]

not really

it just makes the starting wep power and melee lifesteal that were already good better as well as phantasmic flux

after round 3 you move away meka punch starts to become secondary to AP anyways

if you want to hard commit to melee build you can prob just run a bunch of weapon power and attack speed i

honestly if i could change one thing after the meka punch rework i'd probably get aftermarket firing pin or whatever its called as my highest priority sub 5k rare in the early game

atk speed and move speed are both probably really good for early game meka punch

[proven knot]

aigh gotchu

[untold marten]

Does anybody have insanely good dva and junker queen builds

Like something that’s like insanely good

Like rly rly good

[proven knot]

How goods your Dva?

I got one but it’s pretty ass if you’re not getting kills

[untold marten]

I never tried dva in stadium, I main dva in comp but I want to main her in stadium too but Everytime I try to make my own build it sucks

[proven knot]

1 sec hopping on PC. I got a really good Dva build. If you play her aggressively in comp it’ll be good

[proven knot]

legendary loadout -> facetanking -> double missiles -> flex
max out ability power. Three tap tommygun is your first priority for purples. Get extended boosters whenever you can. After that just build ap wherever you can. Eventually you'll work towards 3 tap tommygun/mark of the kitsune/onslaught ordinance/champion's kit/iridescent iris. You can keep galvanized core if you really want to or replace it for more ap

again this build is really dependent on getting kills. you'll lose if you just stand around and tank trade

order of priority for items is 3 tap tommygun -> galvanized core -> mark of the kitsune and the rest is dictated by budget

[untold marten]

Do u have this build saved

If so can I have the code

[proven knot]

i can get one 1 sec. I'm probly not gonna do flex items tho

[proven knot]

834JH

replace wide dm as your last power if you want something else

sometimes i use party protector so i can remech in front of rein

[untold marten]

Thank u bae

[proven knot]

np

[untold marten]

I always do a little change to some builds

I got my Moira and mercy builds off TikTok

And I changed a bit off them

I might do too to urs

[proven knot]

oh ya 1 thing

if you want more sustain this build falls off a lot later rounds

[untold marten]

Let me send u my Moira build Chile

It’s so good

Never lost a game with it

[proven knot]

sure

[forest phoenix]

they need to fix the issue where it doesn't recognize people being on point during overtime

[fallow socket]

holy blink boosts is destroyed

[acoustic kiln]

cushioned padding is SO good against jq and ana

lifesaver

[hearty lodge]

@proven knot they nerfed my juno build

finally!'

god exists!!!

aj ahla!!

[acoustic kiln]

another patch?

DIABOLICAL

we're saved

we're saved

[forest phoenix]

what where

[tired verge]

i think they're just talking about yesterdays

[forest phoenix]

ohh okay

[acoustic kiln]

basically uh

juno's blink boosts CD reduction went from 65% less to 30% less

so instead of a 1.4 second cd its 2.8

which nerfs how much overhealth you can keep building, and how many times you can proc TTT and mark of the kitsune

[forest coral]

sometimes i think damn im probably washed on dva do i really want 2 play her then i remember that this hero is busted

[forest coral]

thank fucking god that shit was somehow more corny than the kiri clone stuff

[acoustic kiln]

now lets see what becomes the best build in the game now that the big 2 are nerfed

[forest coral]

like the juno build's main weakness from what i saw

was having your support partner also be inattentive

if u have like a zen whose build is low healign output or a perma flank kiri or whatever and youor dps have 0 ability to adapt whatsoever

u struggle really bad in the mid game

like rounds 2-4 can be really bad

then late game appears and you can genuinely 1v5

this was my first ever game on the build too first time ever using blink boots

like it's genuinely fucked

the sustain stops being a prob round 5 too bc if any of ur teammates were struggling you could just throw ring and give them like ~200 shields

which buys you time to either clean up the fight or missiles to sustain them for a bit

genuine atrocity build glad that shit's in the grave

[proven knot]

i know

thank god

but barely

[forest coral]

is that not fairly significant

i feel like this brings her from nigh unkillable to fairly punishable

and gives her a lot more downtime

i think solo flanking gets hurt really bad

[proven knot]

she can be punished now

but still

needed more of a nerf

[fallow socket]

maybe make each boost longer? Longer time between ability perks like motk, ttt, and ironclad, and leave you in that predictable flight path for longer

[rain acorn]

anyone know where to get deeper info about abilities and interactions?
i.e. does freyja's thread the needle, make it such that it pierces also zaryas bubbles ? etc.

or is there a way to test this stuff in game somehow ? (didn't play for a very long time, not sure if can do something in practice range or such ?)

[tepid finch]

cant even play stadium cuz I'm getting the same ximming team back to back 😂

[tepid finch]

theres a stadium range custom game

[rain acorn]

and, is there a way to let the opponent heroes activate abilities or anythign ?

[neon galleon]

Don’t think so

[acoustic kiln]

@hearty lodge emong made a video of your juno build

so uh...

we're gonna be seeing it a lot more now

[hearty lodge]

it was nerfed, so hopefully that dumpers it a little bit lmao

in my server, at my MMR, everyone's playing it already and it has drained the fun out of me to play stadium again

im just having fun in Hearthstone and Skullgirls until new characters arrive on stadium

[hearty lodge]

thx for the notice btw! ❤️

[acoustic kiln]

👍

[neon galleon]

For some reason I wouldn’t be surprised if when Pharah arrives in season 19 they give some of the characters that might struggle hitting her something that might make it a little easier on them.

[proven knot]

same. dps is actually unplayable on stadium console

[proven knot]

congrats dude. did he link your yt?

[hearty lodge]

Nah he doest show anything, not even the site

[proven knot]

Ask for credit in the comments or message him

Could be big for you

[hearty lodge]

Also was stubborn and decided not to follow the build halfway through then immediately regreted it lmao

[hearty lodge]

I dont care

[proven knot]

lmao

[hearty lodge]

Big for what?

[proven knot]

Love when he does that

Your channel?

[hearty lodge]

Im not adicted to likes or views

[proven knot]

aigh

gotchu

Didn’t know if you were trying to monetize

[hearty lodge]

My channel is about Skullgirls not overwatch

[proven knot]

fair

[manic heron]

Skullgirls you say?

Anyways

Solo queue sucks in stadium

And the support queue times are outrageous most of the time

[steady haven]

Hey so

Are there any junkrat mains here?

[stone walrus]

anyone wanna queue for stadium? :] im a reaper/ashe player!

[vapid stone]

why are support queues so damn long??

[ruby scroll]

Support is the most fun to play in stadium, has the most people playing it?

Idk

[vapid stone]

but like

youre matchmaking for 9 people. 9. are there that few people who want to play anything else??

i firmly believe stadium shouldn't have dropped as a ranked mode just for this

like waiting 14 minutes to play a game is pretty unacceptable

youre basically just punished for ranking up

[ruby scroll]

Maybe it's the other way around

[vapid stone]

what do you mean?

[ruby scroll]

Like so few people are playing?

Idk dude I just say shit

[vapid stone]

i think there are just very few of tank and dps

if there was no ranked i think it'd remove a lot of the wait though

[acoustic kiln]

idk why they didnt just drop unranked first and do ranked later

[vapid stone]

genuinely moronic

[hearty lodge]

23 mins...

this is why i stopped playing stadium after reaching legend smh

[hearty lodge]

i legit finished editing my juno build before getting into queue

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/2fa329f0-ae9b-4721-8369-c47584fffb5f

that's so dumb, nah imma go do sth else

1 hr 5 mins queue still no find

either the game is dead, im playnig on a bad hour, or there's a gazillion million support players and no tanks in queue

[fallow socket]

just this

Also no significant edits to the juno build is wicked, thought itd be tweaked for more cd red or more survivability focus

[hearty lodge]

wdym, it was changed for exactly that

[fallow socket]

oh

[hearty lodge]

yeah i just changed it 10 minutes ago

xD

[fallow socket]

i swr i was just on it like 10 mins ago and it said 7/10 no edits needed its op

BRO

lmfao

[hearty lodge]

i've been playing and experimenting with different options the past 20 hours or so

it could've taken me 4 hours IF THE QUEUE TIMES WEREN'T THIS DAMN LONG!!!

[fallow socket]

cant believe how hard they gutted pulstars and lock on shield

[hearty lodge]

Lock-on Shield not even worth taking anymore, even if we have the double torpedo power

it's un... playable

[fallow socket]

reducing overhealth value and removing item stat is just horrible

oh also the build description still talks about hyper healer and blink boosts round 3

if u wanted to change that

[hearty lodge]

i find it really funny. On skullgirls (a 2D Fighter) when a new character came out (Black Dahlia) i labbed the shit outta her and found every optimal route and strategy. Eventually the devs target nerfed what i was teaching people to do. Like 3 times!
And now, here in overwatch, the devs be nerfing my build, and a hotfix at that! Bro, it's too funny

[hearty lodge]

thanks! will edit that right away!

oh, nonononono that was on purpose

read the text, don't just gloss over it hahaha 😅 😂

[open hawk]

i know they made the matchmaking wider but tell me why im pro 2 dps and i get Warn on support when he was novice 1 😭

[open hawk]

😭 what the ass is this bro

[kind sluice]

Do any items bosot sigma shield regen time

[grave fable]

Bro matchmaking in stadium is so ahh 😔 why am I in elite lobbies playing with novices ?….

☹️

Like my tank had no clue what they were doing and my dps said this was their first time playing stadium? …

Bro.

[neon galleon]

Don’t think so but there is a power that makes the regen permanently active, though it’s halved if the shield is out

[open hawk]

Queue times r super long otherwise

45 min+ queues on support last season

[grave fable]

100 times better then new players completely throwing?

[empty dagger]

Yeah lol

I'm honestly glad they giga nerfed blink boots because it was unplayable on the receiving end

You need to rely on your hitscan

[inland vale]

hi, quick question. what happened to the challenge where we had to win at least once on every stadium hero? i cant find the checklist anymore, unless it was a challenge only for last season? :<

[acoustic kiln]

only last season

[hidden atlas]

why do i not have stafdium elite charm even tho i was elite last season?

[forest coral]

seriously

theoretically the most consistent counter to a busted juno build is dva but

that build fucking annihilates dva

[empty dagger]

Yeah basically impossible to kill Juno as DVa

You need a hitscan

[forest coral]

yeah but if she puts crusader hydraulics or divine intervention even hitscans wont save you

at least pre-patch

post patch i think the build isnt a top threat anymore

[hybrid steeple]

when will venture be added to stadium

[proven knot]

that kick power seems op on zen

[forest coral]

i think it's smth you get late game after your build has settled for survivability

[proven knot]

I love it. I’m treating it as. a mobility cd mostly

[forest coral]

i feel like the only thing stopping zen from being a top 3 hero in the mode is being overwhelmed by people like dva genji queen rein if they actually can close distance

[proven knot]

Survivability + taking more aggro angles

[forest coral]

yeah i think it's a cd where 90% of the time you dont use it aggressively

[proven knot]

yeah agreed

[forest coral]

it's just oh fuck dva is running at me with missiles and i dont have time to burst her down plan b

[proven knot]

He’s also one of the only characters who has a real chance of not being able to do anything in a match

I had a match earlier vs Zar Reaper Genji Kiri Moira

[forest coral]

💀

[proven knot]

discord was actually useless

[forest coral]

i'd say just sit in the very back so they cant engage but reaper doesnt care

[proven knot]

Like I can survive with him

[forest coral]

the more you isolate yourself from reaper and certain kiri builds the more fucked you are

if you cant get your build online fast enough

[proven knot]

The kiri issue was more the cleanse

than the flanking

[forest coral]

you build around discord?

[proven knot]

Usually

but not there

[forest coral]

i havent played him yet but i'd build him more like a duelist

abusing the self harmony orb and harmony orb damage heal stuff

[proven knot]

I use discord fever (its mid but it procs items)

antiheal and slow

[forest coral]

those are good but i think zen isnt the best user of them

[proven knot]

hes not

[forest coral]

though in solo queue you'll see your moira pick champion's kit before liquid nitrogen or cybervenom so like

gotta do what you gotta do

i think thats what pissed me off the most about moira in this mode

that hero is amazing at stat farming

so she steals the end of round bonus from her teammates so often

while the enemy team's carry actually gets the bonus and snowballs

[proven knot]

the idea with the build is making him a dive support

[forest coral]

like sure it's just 1k

but there are so many games where missing that 1k makes or breaks my build

[proven knot]

and the assumption im running with here is me being the only one that chooses those 2 items

Yeah I hate moira

and mercy too

too much mvp stealing

[forest coral]

now this doesnt MATTER if she puts the extra crash into a fast cybervenom liquid nitrogen that just makes her the best early mid game hero in the game

[proven knot]

they never do

[forest coral]

like i think moira has the potential to be the best round 3-4 character in the game

but i see these fuckers get champion's kit and the 20% ap rare

[proven knot]

real shame too

[forest coral]

like okay we're down 1-3 but keep farming cash i guess ??

[proven knot]

she’s so good at using them

def have lost games because of that too

[forest coral]

if we put either of those debuffs on their queen that just runs in she just explodes btw

[forest coral]

i think moira with those 2 abilities is a high a tier hero

without it she's like low c imo

[proven knot]

I can’t use my missile build if supports don’t choose antiheal 😦

[forest coral]

i mean usually i just build antiheal and slow myself if my supps wont do it

[proven knot]

Yeah I have to otherwise

[forest coral]

i was struggling and inting really hard into a mercy zen double hs queen comp and i was like okay what if i just abandon meka punch

and full invest in ap

[proven knot]

but then its not the missile build anymore

[forest coral]

instead of being the inting tank i would just sit there and wait for queen to shout

the moment she takes 1 step too many forwards boom liquid nitrogen missiels goodbye junker

converted the 1-3 to a 4-3 after that god bless

[proven knot]

I gotta try nitro missiles

Havent done it yet

wait

[forest coral]

is that the matrix one

[proven knot]

nvmd I have it was good

nah liquid nitrogen missile build i mean

[forest coral]

i mean i pick it pretty damn often and i feel like even i still underrate it

[proven knot]

everyone seems to low key

[forest coral]

i think it's the single best item in the game at shutting down a snowballing hero

like what hero doesnt absolutely get shit on by that

against tanks and assassins they lose so much of their pressure and are often forced out

against hitscans and backliners they cant disengage and just get blown up

[proven knot]

Yup

its nice

[forest coral]

i dont really play for it as my win con but i think it does deadlift my lategame a lot

[proven knot]

Wondering if cyber venom is worth considering for dva

the weapon one is better i know

but

it costs me a ton of power on missiles

[forest coral]

i think you definitely get cybervenom as 5th purple

maybe 4th

my order has generally been gloomgauntlet, phantasmic, mark of kitsune, liquid nitrogen, cyber, increased missile duration/quantity

but i'm starting to think that you just cant run meka punch against zen

[proven knot]

I’ll give it a shot. My missile build hasn’t been working as well on PC. But also I’m solo q ing so I don’t have a teammate to choose anti for me anymore

and i think that makes a huge difference

[forest coral]

against zen your engagementsn eed to be clean and precise you have such a small margin for error

and i think meka punch makes it really hard to stay within that margin

[proven knot]

Yeah likely

Oh ya also

Missiles with increased knockback

i forget the name

[forest coral]

so if i see some shit like zen mercy i'm probably just gonna start with legendary loadout

[forest coral]

i've always been really tempted

but i've never gotten it

[proven knot]

Might want to go champions kit instead since it buffs kitsune more

Increased duration is good tho

[forest coral]

does inc missile kb just hurt dva more than it helps

[proven knot]

idk. Probably. But kitsune is rly what I base the decision off of

almost positive it maths out better

[forest coral]

i feel like if im ever considering higher kb missiles

im probably already at a point where i have enough money for champions kit

[proven knot]

yeah same

usually the case

[forest coral]

and even then most of the time im not considering champions kit

bc i have to give up some of my survivability

[proven knot]

i like champs kit

[forest coral]

unless i have a really reliable proccer of cyber/nitrogen

im gonna perma have those

never taking mark of kitsune or phantasmic flux off

increased missile duration is just better

but only having 1 survival can be tricky sometimes so usually i have gloomgauntlet there

[proven knot]

I like having no survive

[forest coral]

but with a rise in reaper and zen i feel like gloomgauntlet meka punch is falling off

[proven knot]

rely on one shots

facetanking is the sustain

[forest coral]

no phantasmic flux ?

[proven knot]

whats that again

[forest coral]

is early face tanking really more valuable than getting double missiles and like phas flux

[proven knot]

yes

[forest coral]

+10% wp +10% ap +15% weapon lifesteal + 15% ability lifesteal

and lifesteal becomes overhealth if you're at full health

[proven knot]

oh ya i never use that

[forest coral]

going up to like 100

that's the perma first purple i get for genji and it's always second for dva for me

[proven knot]

ill try it out if i ever have the chance to drop anything

[forest coral]

i always build it before i branch into ap

[proven knot]

rn most of my items are unreplaceable

[forest coral]

tbf it's probably more valuable for my playstyle

[proven knot]

but anyways round 3 facetanking is insane

[forest coral]

since early on im using both wp and ap

[proven knot]

also

my playstyle is incredibly isolated

[forest coral]

i like to do that but people whine so damn much

[proven knot]

ya lol they do even when we win and it isnt close

im gonna keep doing it tho

[forest coral]

and with the rise of that reaper build it feels like not being able to peel can be really detrimental

[proven knot]

its playing to my strengths

On ladder

[forest coral]

been watching reapers just tp in and kill everyone and it's like are u serious

[proven knot]

I let my backline die (reg 5v5)

ill do that here too

[forest coral]

yeah they're like ermm it's hard to play without a dva in our frontline and it's like

do you see my fucking build you want me to just sit here dming a reaper while their queen walks in to clean up

lowkey this tier list could be really really ass but this is my opinion on how strong each hero is based on their strongest build

i know cass is way too low

i know he should be much higher but i genuinely

do not think i have lost to cassidy in a month

maybe my mmr is just awful so there are no good cass players but like

[proven knot]

all of the cass players i fight are cheaters so idk

[forest coral]

bros are ximming in stadium

[proven knot]

unironically

[forest coral]

idk i could be very wrong about zarya

[proven knot]

im working on climbing pc too

[forest coral]

maybe she's high A maybe S

but i feel like i never struggle against that hero as dva

most of the time i dont need beam blocker but if i do it just solves the matchup further

[proven knot]

i never do unless my dps do not shoot her at all

which happens

[forest coral]

zarya only really fucks with me if she's not the only person doing shit and im not on dva

[proven knot]

all of my losses vs her

my dps ended rounds with hundreds of damage

and that isnt aj exaggeration

[forest coral]

what are ur thoughts on juno/kiri high a

i feel like after their big cheese builds got hit with the nerf hammer

they're not top threats anymore

like they're still really good heroes dont get me wrong but i feel like they just arent as strong as mercy lucio zen

i lowkey think moira might even be above them with liquid nitrogen cybervenom

[proven knot]

I don’t know. I’ve wanted to try out more supports

But I need someone to play them for me

[forest coral]

i feel like if zen goes the duelist build i mentioned and just hard plays cover

he might actually be kinda insane

he's one of the heroes i've been consistently struggling with

[proven knot]

i feel like zen is deadly with the right teammates + playstyle

[forest coral]

if the player is decent

he's just the perfect bait

if i ignore him we lose the fight bc discord + zen pressure

[proven knot]

i cant say though. I have an idea but I’d need some help testing it

[forest coral]

if i go on him i feed my brains out

[proven knot]

You ever watch OWL?

[forest coral]

i actually need to be surgical on how i deal with him

[forest coral]

watched a lot in 2021 2022

was a big glads head

[proven knot]

Anyways there was a meta once where they played Ball Zen Lucio

when zen had more hp

so

[forest coral]

was it a 2020 meta

[proven knot]

I want to try that

nah

it was ow2

it got nerfed fast

[forest coral]

wasnt that during the alpha

i lowkey thought it was ana zen

[proven knot]

no it was

i think zen had 275 hp

it lasted like 2 or 3 weeks i wanna say

Anyways

Dva Genji Soldier Lucio Zen

[forest coral]

unironically if u swap out soldier this sounds like a fire stadium comp

like reaper instead of soldier

[proven knot]

soldier is just the first idea

rest of the comp i like

[forest coral]

i think if the soldier is really good at finding flanks he can work with that comp

but otherwise i think he's deadweight

[proven knot]

yeah thats the idea

i wanted a dps who can isolate

idk if hes the best

[forest coral]

i think the reaper stranglestep build just fits better

reaper also heavily fucks with lucio

[proven knot]

possibly

[forest coral]

though it does remind me of the first ow2 meta

[proven knot]

joats?

[forest coral]

the winston/doom genji soldier lucio one

[proven knot]

ah

that one

[forest coral]

i think dva was still not figured out as a 5v5 tank yet

she probably couldve been sleeper strong but i think winston and doom were just op

[proven knot]

idk. She wasn’t really played until after hp changes

Besides dorado and gib

hard to say

also

most teams just copied the reign

[runic jewel]

Hear me out chat, is weapon power Lucio build valid or nah?

[proven knot]

you could probably make it work but it would be completely dependent on you performing well. Going on constant flanks and consistently getting picks

[elder ore]

I feel like AP build Lucio is more consistent and versatile

[proven knot]

it is

still might as well try to make builds for your playstyle first and see how it goes

maybe it’s bad, maybe you pioneer a new build?

[elder ore]

With boop strength, ironclad lumerico drive immortality because of boop having such a short cooldown, crossfade healing

Ironclad fusion drive has been making my high ranking games a nightmare

[proven knot]

char is hell to play into

[elder ore]

Probably just go full AP on Lucio and either mixtape/reverb or any boop/heal items

You get best of everything

Then on round 4 get the immortal items and your team should be good to win if they know what they're doing and the matchup isn't too bad

[elder ore]

Yeah same

I can adapt against most builds but zen I have yet to because of his raw power

Other than killing him with high enough burst damage because he is typically fragile

Or you just get a mercy with ironclad fusion pocketing an offense zen and you just have to kinda give up or outdamage the healing fast enough

[proven knot]

You should be able to one shot a full offense zen

even with healing

[elder ore]

Yeah, if you have like legendary loadout or double helix it's much easier

[proven knot]

feel like the mercy zen duo kinda sucks

dont think ive ever seen a team win with it

[elder ore]

I guess, just the mercy ironclad fusion makes her so hard to kill and can deny a lot of kills

And the Juno blink cladstinger but that got hard nerfed 2 days ago so it's less bad

[proven knot]

I assume its still good

Feel like having anti on every shot is enough to justify it

[elder ore]

Yeah venom stinger is crazy anti healing

[proven knot]

otherwise

not too many great users for antihealing

[acoustic kiln]

honestly i think liquid nitrogen is better than cybervenom

especially if you or your teammates can capitalize on that 20% slow

[forest coral]

cybervenom punishes mistakes liquid nitrogen forces mistakes

[proven knot]

Both is the real move imo

force mistakes then punish them harder

[acoustic kiln]

true

[neon galleon]

Especially on characters like JQ or Moira who can easily spread it around

[verbal lake]

This Tank Moira build is so diabolical I wanna try it

https://youtu.be/DM2tf1LPg3A?si=4UDCGGgdjhNeod0q

[whole brook]

I go straight weapon power, double boop, lifesteal. It’s magical the way I roll through mfers 😂 went straight to elite 1 in like 9 hours

Especially once you hit above 50 it’s diabolical

[low pond]

i was wondering does cooldown reduction also apply to ultimates ro more specificaly biotech maximizer cooldown reduciton "When you use an ability that heals reduce its cooldown by 5% for each unique ally it heals" we know ultimates are abilities so wouldnt that technically mean it would reduce the ocoldown for hte ultimate by 5% foreach ally it heals. Thinking baout putting this on zen

[proven knot]

what are you cooking

Have you run into any issues with ultimate cds

[low pond]

no i was just wondering whether or not that ability upgrade affects ultimates

logic would dictate that if i put it on zen and heal all my team it would reduce the cooldown for the next ultimate by 20% since you get 5% reduction per unique person it heals

[acoustic kiln]

i dont think it does

purely because ults go off of a point system rather than cds

[crystal light]

guys, for ashe's Furnace Fuel, does the cleansed burn count all types of cleanses like kiriko teleporting, zarya bubble, moira fade etc or only kiriko's suzu?

[zenith igloo]

Zarya bubble cleanses?

[crystal light]

it removes some debuffs such as antiheal, discord, widow poison and I think burn

[acoustic kiln]

all kinds

i made 27k in one round but i couldnt use it because we lost 😕

woulda had 84k heading into round 7

wasnt even highest in the lobby their sigma woulda had 90k

had a disgusting wp build

[crystal light]

thanks for the info. too bad about the game

[ornate hedge]

can we delete zarya from the game

[tepid finch]

just had a bug where I was getting afk kicked constantly and now I'm suspended. I like it

[paper snow]

yes

or

just rework her to be fun to play

she is boring to fight and fight against

its like so boring

[neon galleon]

I’ve said it before, Zarya is easy to fight so long as you can get your fucking random teammates to agree on a way to fight her

[safe crow]

Yuh

[ornate hedge]

too scared of a bubble like if we dont all burst her down she's cooked

[neon galleon]

At least they nerfed her in Stadium to where there is a cap on how much energy her bubbles give her

Zarya is honestly a tank that I find Reaper can work well in since if you get your team to focus on shredding her immediately as a non tank character you usually stand a better chance at surviving her than most dps/supports, especially with some defensive items

[tender matrix]

Just play reinhardt smh

[limpid rampart]

question: why no tokki slam powerup on dva?

[tepid finch]

can u not endorse in stadium?

[full nacelle]

nope 😭 not yet anyway

forced to play qp to be able to get my endorsement rank up

[acoustic kiln]

playing moira when your other support has good healing is just

ooh

[neon quest]

Sometimes playing moira in general is just

[gray raptor]

Where is

Dva Crouch Power?

is it removed?

[olive stratus]

that's why I js ap with cool down reduction if possible and spam orbs it da best of both worlds sometimes

[acoustic kiln]

getting liquid nitrogen and smart orbs so they cant run away

[proven knot]

prob cus the ability is disruptive and scales with armor (defensive utility anyways)

[zealous escarp]

Rocket boots on Rein is funny

No one expects you to be able to jump to their high ground

[forest coral]

i still think the top 3 heroes in the mode are lucio mercy dva

in that order

potentially switch dva mercy

actually lucio exists keep mercy before dva

i used to think the reaper strangle step build was an okay answer to dva but if she gets the matrix missiles power reaper just loses all ability to function

[proven knot]

isnt that power fun?

a couple of characters just can’t do anything at all if she has it

[neon galleon]

Welp I have just realized that if your team is having problems getting a smashing Rein taken down and you got a Reaper get him to grab Ghosted and it’ll just cripple him

can’t believe I’ve been playing Reaper this much in Stadium and I had just NOW realized how strong Ghosted is against hammer Rein

[forest coral]

@proven knot i've solved it

the secret to dva is just liquid nitrogen

i was getting gapped pretty damn hard into a dva genji zen mercy comp and i was like fuck it gloomgauntlet against zen never works let me just swap it for liquid nitrogen

game became a cake walk

if i just look at the dva/genji for a second it kills their engage i dont even have to focus them

while mercys zens or whoeverj ust cant get to cover and are just frozen

[proven knot]

I need to use it more. It’s def good. It’s just really hard to change anything on my build for it

I really love the ttt + kitsune combo and literally no other dva is running it

Champs kit is essential

Longer duration missiles too

And then extended boosters is really good until the last round

[forest coral]

lowkey ran champs kit and extra missiels it was devastasting to thatp oor zen

[proven knot]

Oh thats 5

[forest coral]

phantasmic longer duration champ kit liquid nitrogen kitsune

[proven knot]

Ok I might be able to fit it

[forest coral]

i think phantasmic is a must pick

[proven knot]

Overhealth thing right?

[forest coral]

yeah

[proven knot]

Yeah I def do not have room for it

[forest coral]

phantasmic -> mark of kitsune -> liquid nitrogen was what i went

technically got gloomgauntlet first but traded that out after the zenyatta experience

[proven knot]

ttt is my first purp

Usually mark 2nd because at this point I’ll have enough ap for it to feel relevant

Then money dictates the order

Idk. TTT feels like it makes dives mad consistent. Every target starts at 10% less hp by default

[forest coral]

liquid nitrogen might be a MU thing then

[proven knot]

20% when you use missiles

[forest coral]

prob helps with the mercy matchup

[proven knot]

A ton

Juno too

Then kitsune just gives you real pressure even at a range

[proven knot]

its def still relevant in any mu

but ya def a must pick for some

[proven knot]

oh ya check out this sick workshop code i found

https://workshop.codes/JNC0K

[spare marsh]

i desperately need a pc stadium team

solo queueing aint working no more 😭

[acoustic kiln]

I think liquid nitrogen is a must have for any AP build

its so easy to get value out of it

if there was like tier list for AP items I think champion’s kit would be in its own tier and then phantasmic flux, liquid nitrogen and cyber venom would be right below it

[neon galleon]

In general stuff that slows the enemy down is good, especially if it also has another effect.

[acoustic kiln]

I’m glad weapon builds don’t have any slow down effect

would be scary as hell

besides like Mei I guess

[neon galleon]

slowly looks at Reaper’s ghosted power which while only affecting his wraith form…you still want to grab wraith renewal anyway

The more dangerous thing about it is that it not only affects both movement speed and attack speed, it does it by 30%

The first time I actually decided to use it was yesterday, and it turned a round 7 weapon Rein from an unstoppable bulldozing menace, to an easily beatable tank

[neon galleon]

I think I’ll experiment with ghosted more once I get home, see what other matchups it can potentially change to be more favorable for me

[acoustic kiln]

i accidentally broke the workshop by doing a 115% ap pharah ult into a group of tracers

[neon galleon]

Couldn’t handle the Justice

[forest coral]

champion’s kit is overrated

I think I’d put it a tier

like I think anyone who gets champions kit early on is making big mistakes bc if u get like

nano cola the 1k ap and an assort of other blues you get more ap for cheaper

In fact in most scenarios I feel like I can get a 10/15 ap purple for around 10k

Then get a blue for around 4k

it isn’t quite as much ap as champ kit but it’s close and gives another busted effect

[forest coral]

also very hero dependent but I think mark of kitsune deserves a shout probably over cyber

I think I’d go phantasmic => liquid nitrogen > mark of kitsune > three tap tommy/cyber > then maybe champ kit

[bright briar]

Does anyone here run AP mercy..? I've tried running this so many times now and its just

So mediocre at best. The GA heal power really needs a buff or something, the healing is so bad..

Especially when GA can be bodyblocked by an ally very easily.
Maybe it could be a burst heal based on the power meter of GA itself rather than distance idk

[fallow socket]

Ap mercy is pretty bad lol

Even with the faster ga cd item and tons of ap you will find yourself holding heal more often then if you had just built weapon power

[bright briar]

Yeahh, it's also so bad for healing squishies. Becuase it's a burst heal

[fallow socket]

And ap mercy can’t even abuse liquid nitrogen and cybervenom like moira and Juno can

[bright briar]

If you're mid-ga and the person gets critical, you need to either cancel early to give less healing