stadium-discussion

[forest lynx]

Coulder is so uninteractive

Makes me hope Hog stays far away from Stadium

[acoustic kiln]

tracer is gonna be hell to deal with

[ornate hedge]

why am i getting rookie 5 dps as all star 2 support

[livid marsh]

Stadium doesn't have sr based matchmaking

[forest lynx]

Low cooldown Tracer I'm dreading already

You can build her for power and Cooldown and she'd shred anything with little interaction

We don't even have torb

[ornate hedge]

tracer weapon power is insane i tried it yesterday with the workshop trick

symmetra ability power is also really fun with it

her turrets shreaddd

this is the code if you’re wondering

J4X71

[forest lynx]

Especially with a high fire rate

Tracer genuinely shouldn't be in Stadium

[ornate hedge]

fire rate is def going to be a problem

[ornate hedge]

alot of the characters dont have scaling yet like torb

ap doesnt work on his turret

and i didnt see a difference with his ult

[forest lynx]

Another problem is Orisa the fucking WALL

Who thought giving her the ability to be an actual dozer was a good idea?

[ornate hedge]

honestly not a problem if you play as cringe as her

theres at least 1 build for every character to counter infinite self heal horse

[forest lynx]

Dawg the only way I can is AP go BRRRRR

[ornate hedge]

what character

[forest lynx]

JQ

[ornate hedge]

oh

[forest lynx]

YEAH

I can get my health to the thousands

Ain't gonna matter when there's a Mei and an Orisa bullying you all game

[ornate hedge]

yea thats a tough matchup

[forest lynx]

Worst is that I can't kill the Mercy flying in the air

So that leaves me with Soldier and Kiri

Literally the anti-queen team

[ornate hedge]

honestly the worst tank in stadium rn

battling with orisa for the spot

[forest lynx]

Not really no. That'd be Zarya if anything

[ornate hedge]

i think she can still be good

she's just too boring

[acoustic kiln]

imagine a fucking tanky tracer constantly harassing your backline

[lunar veldt]

any plans to make rein playable in stadium?

[novel crag]

Do they plan on adding matchmaking in Stadium?

[hallow fog]

It’s just not attractive

And then they wanna further split it into qp/ranked

[clever imp]

I adore this build

(For soldier, not dva)

[forest lynx]

I would rather die

[fallow socket]

clone is still good, honestly the extra 2.5s only helped if you had bad tps

[paper snow]

I dont think It will be that bad

if she only does 6 that means 100% tracer will only do 12 dmg

firerate and mag builds will be more annoying on her forsure but I feel armor is the easy counter for her

since her pellets will feel like tissue paper

[fallow socket]

armor and crusader hydraulics

[paper snow]

yeah

then she will do a total of 2 dmg a shot

50% from armor and an extra 10% for hydraulics

wow thinking about it she's actuall gonna suck so much

there are so many early game items that make her guns useless

[forest coral]

isnt the kb resist move speed item pretty good against orisa

[forest lynx]

I do not know

[paper snow]

honestly the tanky tracer might be the only way to play her

firerate and survival with ap to build bomb fast

[forest coral]

wouldnt you just focus the people who dont have armor then

[paper snow]

yeah

but its stadium

everyone can buy it

so it doesnt matter

her bomb will be annoying tho

[forest coral]

so you're forcing multiple people to invest 4k / 8k and an item slot into dealing with you

[paper snow]

like ap bomb tracer who is unkillable

[forest coral]

instead of putting stuff into their actual builds

sounds like a good deal

[paper snow]

armor is all you need tbh

[forest lynx]

That's terrible for the game

[forest coral]

esp since you can get wp power item that partially ignores armor

for just 9.5k

you're probably already building wp

[forest lynx]

Codebreaker shouldn't be the end all be all

[paper snow]

then buy reduction field

that negates 20% of dmg

[forest coral]

so add another 11k

into dealing with tracer

getting pretty expensive

[paper snow]

yeah

but that item is good

[forest coral]

pretty sure the rest of tracer's team just steam rolls you

at that point

[paper snow]

or you can buy bloodhound

to deal more and take less

there are options

[forest lynx]

Or Tracer could not have any access to the items that everyone else has

[forest coral]

bc wtf is ogundimu's reduction field gonna do against half the burst damage in this game

[paper snow]

then buy divine intervention

[forest lynx]

Heck I'd take a redo of all the items so they're character specific only

[paper snow]

or buy martian mender

[forest coral]

wtf is bloodhound

[paper snow]

there are items that counter burst

[forest coral]

why do you keep recommending survival items

[paper snow]

the last person to kill deals 10% less and you deal 10% more

[forest coral]

like are you sdaying people should be buying 3-4 survival items

just to deal with that shit

[paper snow]

because they are good

and can win you matches

[forest coral]

is this not just the singular worst item in the game

[paper snow]

especially on dps

or support

unkillable zen

[forest coral]

would you like to hear the last time i picked a survival item that wasnt gloomgauntlet and phantasmic flux

[paper snow]

I mean how do you think tracer will be unkillable

with survival items

wow

[forest coral]

outside of super niche situations like playing dva against 2+ beams

[paper snow]

big suprise

[paper snow]

what

no

[forest lynx]

Genuinely would rather have the 110% AP for my builds

[forest coral]

exactly

[paper snow]

divine intervention is so good for dealing with chunk

you realize

divine intervention

[forest coral]

i used to pick ogundimu's reduction field for situations like playing dva against zarya

but then i realized

[paper snow]

is percentile

so the higher dmg you build

the less I take

[forest coral]

i would rather just massacre the entirel obby

[paper snow]

right

[forest coral]

than try to tank trade a zarya by taking a little bit less damage

[paper snow]

and I will stand there and laugh as you deal no dmg

[fallow socket]

i love phantasmic flux i want to eat it

[forest coral]

genuinely like

that item i cannot tell if it is actually doing work when i get it

[paper snow]

clearly

you are simple man

with simple taste

and I can repsect that

but survival

is lowkeyt

goated

I can just eat reaper ult

[forest lynx]

Survival is only good early game at best

[paper snow]

and like survive so much

dva bomb

nope

[forest coral]

do i know if the lifesteal from phantasmic is actually being helpful do i know if im actually getting overhealth on my engages

[paper snow]

junk tire

[forest coral]

no clue

[paper snow]

yummy

[forest coral]

still getting that shit round 2 ever single game as genji

and round 3 ever single game as dva

[paper snow]

do you realize lifesteal with reductions makes it more op

[forest coral]

no i feel like lifesteal with more damage makes it more op

since you're like

doing more damage to lifesteal

[paper snow]

actuall no

building more reductions means you heal faster

and take less trades

[forest coral]

okay counterpoint

[paper snow]

ok

stats dont matter

in OW

really think I care

[forest coral]

90% winrate doesnt matter ur right

[paper snow]

the reason you win

[forest coral]

keep getting a 40% winrate getting survival items

[paper snow]

is because no one knows how to build reductions

I bet you

I can counter your builds

[forest coral]

awesome

[paper snow]

in a custom game

if the meta shifted

and one day everyone built survival

your winrate would plummet

[forest coral]

how they're gonna be doing 0 damage in return

[paper snow]

Im not asking you to build zero dmg

I asking one or two items

build dmg early

build survival late

clearly you dont have a brain

so I have to dumb it down for you

[forest coral]

okay so what's going to happen to the orisa that built 5 survival items when i kill her supports in the first 5 seconds of the fight

[paper snow]

I never said 5

if everyone in that lobby

bought one survival item

of teir three

they would stomp you

and you would complain

that they are so hard to kill

divine intervention

literally negates 20% of you dmg

[forest coral]

i am a non dva player otping dva and going like 23 wins 2 losses in my past 25 games

building no survival but phantasmic and gloomgauntlet

[paper snow]

hey buddy

[forest coral]

same story as genji

[paper snow]

that is survival

[forest coral]

yes those are good items

[paper snow]

you cant say i dont build survival

[forest coral]

first 2 purples i get every single dva game

[paper snow]

life steal is survival

doesnt count

your arguement is invalid

so youre a liar

[forest coral]

every other survival item is just not good to build into

[paper snow]

they are

you just dont know how

overdrive core

give 10% weapon pwr

[forest coral]

no its bc when i did build survival as dva i had an abysmal winrate

like a sub 30% wr

[paper snow]

and prevents one oneshot per life

[ornate hedge]

erm actually

[forest coral]

then i stopped building any survival besides gloomgauntlet phantasmic

[ornate hedge]

the thing that makes u take 15% dmg over times is goated with gloom gauntlet

[paper snow]

Im not telling you to dump survival

[forest coral]

and had an above 90% winrate

[ornate hedge]

so survival IS worth building into

[paper snow]

Im saying know what items do whaty

[forest coral]

is it actually

[ornate hedge]

i had a 92 building 6 survival and stalling point for ages on dva

post baby dva nerf too

[ornate hedge]

yes

[paper snow]

yes because it helps negate that dmg overtime

so you heal what you lost

[forest coral]

would it be better with gloom gauntlet than phantasmic flux

[ornate hedge]

why remove either one

keep all

infact go 6 survivals

[forest coral]

maybe the moral of the story is just that dva is busted

[ornate hedge]

it works

[paper snow]

maybe you should learn to read

thats the real moral of the story

divine with conduit is also busted for supports players

[forest coral]

i dont read what u say bc i realized 10 seconds in you dont have anything worth listening to

[paper snow]

and reduction with life steal is based as well

[paper snow]

brother

you have small brain

you build survival

[forest coral]

i cannot see the overdrive core whatever the fuck being good on any hero but like mercy in rez valk builds

[paper snow]

you just act like youre above it

[paper snow]

its good for most ppl

10% weapon dmg

and you get a free death every respawn

[ornate hedge]

overdrive core is kinda trash ngl

[forest coral]

i think there's a diff between picking up super offensively oriented 'survival' items and building reduction field and divine intervention personally

[ornate hedge]

its like that mei thing that u get auto cryo

[paper snow]

if you want some easy dmg its pretty nice

[paper snow]

they are still survival items

they help you live

[ornate hedge]

its only 10 wp

[forest coral]

i can just get that with cd reduction for 4500 cheaper

[paper snow]

my point was about tracer being easy to counter

[forest coral]

also like

[paper snow]

armor is 4k

[forest coral]

wtf do i do if i win a fight

[paper snow]

and even if she adapts

I can always buy one item to counter her

[paper snow]

yeah

but most ppl get one tapped

and complain

the point of survival

[ornate hedge]

lets be real all tracers will just build into survival and maybe a little wp

[paper snow]

is to have a fighting chance

[ornate hedge]

thats her only real downside

the hp

[forest coral]

and im saying if one genji spends his slots on armor and ogundimu and the other is spending his on mark of kitsune and wp the first one is NOT going to be carrying his team

[paper snow]

yeah

[paper snow]

what

that's dumb

he can be healed

and help with the team fight

instead of dying to kiri or cass

[ornate hedge]

survival is also just broken on tanks or supports that can draw out games from 1v5 till their team arrives

[forest coral]

by doign an insignificant amount of damage

[ornate hedge]

none of the dps rn can do that

[forest coral]

while the other genji instakilled one of the supports

[ornate hedge]

maybe mei reaper

[paper snow]

soldier can

[forest coral]

that is no longer healing the first genji

[paper snow]

I have a survival healer 76 build

[ornate hedge]

that stupid running biotic build is so bad

ur throwing if u go it

[forest coral]

i feel like i get enough survival on genji

[paper snow]

can you be quiet the adults are speaking

get out of here you child

[forest coral]

with the lifesteal melee power and 1500 quick melee heal item

[paper snow]

speak when you have a brain

[forest coral]

then phantasmic

[paper snow]

ok

[ornate hedge]

hey stop we're all inclined to talking i like reading everyones opinions

[forest coral]

that's generally all the survival needed for 90% of the game

[paper snow]

but you still get one tapped by cass

[forest coral]

??

[paper snow]

divine prevents that

if you are both glass cannons

[forest coral]

let me get back to you next time i get one tapped by a cass

dont think ive seen that happen in 2 weeks

[ornate hedge]

i dont think divine can stop 1 shots

[paper snow]

obviously the cannon with a hit scan will always win

[ornate hedge]

and cass players in stadium cant aim lol

[paper snow]

just simple

[forest coral]

can tell you about all the casses ive one shot with my non divine intervention genji build

[ornate hedge]

they just shoot tank and flop their ult

[paper snow]

Overwatch players cant aim

[paper snow]

ok

idc

your opinions are invalid

[forest coral]

is a plat player just malding at me bc i think his idea of building 4 survival items on dps is stupid

[paper snow]

literally all Im saying is build survival if you are having a hard time

[paper snow]

I never said 4

I said 1 max

2 if needed

[ornate hedge]

ok wait 4 survival on a dps is not good

[paper snow]

like waht

[ornate hedge]

ah

[paper snow]

thats waht im saying

[ornate hedge]

well you should have 1-2 on anyone anyways

[paper snow]

hes just ragebaitng

[ornate hedge]

so whats the issue here

[paper snow]

idk

hes trying to be annoying

I said buy one item to counter tracer

he said haha funny number go brr

[ornate hedge]

it doesnt even have to be survival tab anything that gives lifesteal or things like lumerico count

[forest coral]

nah it's funny as hell

[paper snow]

then proceeds to rant about survival like its asss

[forest coral]

can kinda get shit on by cybervenom

[ornate hedge]

tried it kinda boring to me

[paper snow]

then tell me about the two items he runs in sruvival

[ornate hedge]

and i just solo ult any of the ones i see in my games

[forest coral]

but i feel like it's one of the strongest round 7 builds

[ornate hedge]

dont try that stuff near me

i fell thats when its the weakest

everyones already overtuned and you're just some random running man

[paper snow]

I dont do running man

I do healer 76

[forest coral]

nah i feel like the big ass 100% ap heal/damage field with cybervenom liquid nitrogen can actually be kinda disgusting

[paper snow]

more effective

[forest coral]

as long as ur playing with ur core

[paper snow]

frontliners and back off with hunker down

[ornate hedge]

yeah if you have to pay that much attention i feel its not worth it

[forest coral]

hunker down is goated

[paper snow]

so much dmg so much healing

[fallow socket]

does the field apply cyber and nitrogen?? i never tried it bcs it doesnt say ability damage it just says matches heal field healing

[forest coral]

gives it actual kill threat

[ornate hedge]

also i think hunker is kinda bad

[forest coral]

i used to do the one that gave people overhealth whenever you used bio field

[ornate hedge]

ttt and motk with double helix and 1 shotting people by round 3 is too good

[paper snow]

hunker down with back off is so good

[forest coral]

then they buffed it to 50% reduced duration instead of 70% reduced duration

[paper snow]

and it stacks with frontliners

[forest coral]

and realized it gen does insane dps

[ornate hedge]

oh i did not know this

[paper snow]

essentially the floor is lava

[ornate hedge]

then again i think dps is boring

[paper snow]

and you cant die

nor can your team

[ornate hedge]

just 1 tricked tank killer mei to legend

[paper snow]

its so nice

[ornate hedge]

ill have to try alot of these

[paper snow]

I one tricked healer 76 tank killer until reaching all star last season

[paper snow]

also the over health stacks with ap as well

so by 30% you have a good rocket great healing and decent dmg

I just go to 15% weapon pwr since on soldier any higher kinda feels meh or just requires way too much investment

[paper snow]

also my main point with survival is to better round out your builds

obviously focus on stats

but never diss having one or two survival items at a given time

since they can just be useful

[forest coral]

i mean yeah i think phantasmic flux is the best item in the game

for basically every non support hero

[ornate hedge]

its up there

but best is a stretch

[forest coral]

maybe not the number 1 best for every hero

but in general i think it's the best item

[paper snow]

dont sleep on martian mender if you play tank

that shit is gas

[ornate hedge]

yea most versatile for sure

[ornate hedge]

preach

[paper snow]

I LOVE MARTIAN MENDER

that shit is so good

[ornate hedge]

i held point for 12 minutes on dva remeched 9 times

[paper snow]

especially if your support dont heal alot

[forest coral]

just feel like almost every single non support hero can get phantasmic flux as their first purple and not have it be a mistake

[ornate hedge]

6 survival items

[ornate hedge]

definately

[paper snow]

that seems ridiculous

[ornate hedge]

it was pre nerf

[forest coral]

do i just rely on bomb to try to get picks to end the ot fight

[ornate hedge]

when meka punch was doing crazy damage and her melee didnt scale on wp

[forest coral]

meka punch nerf 💔

[paper snow]

nah

the new mecha punch is gas

[ornate hedge]

very unneeded

[forest coral]

i mean i agree

[paper snow]

I think its way better now

[ornate hedge]

i got most of my kills in baby dva

[paper snow]

since you can scale its dmg

[forest coral]

im always going to miss old meka punch

[ornate hedge]

they never expect you to tank their 4 solo ults as her

[forest coral]

but i still get it first every single dva game

[ornate hedge]

and stand in your face

[paper snow]

dva smacking you with the blaster and healin is so funny

[ornate hedge]

bam remech kills em

[forest coral]

new meka punch can abuse the 1500 melee heal item so much round 1

[paper snow]

also

[ornate hedge]

i havent played tank much since i found out it scales on wp

[paper snow]

dont sleep on them rockets

[ornate hedge]

been farming support

[paper snow]

them things are fun

[ornate hedge]

got to all star 2 today

ill play her later or maybe rn

and go wp

[paper snow]

I feel dva is better with firerate tbh

especially early game

[ornate hedge]

i keep that for like half the game

[paper snow]

matrix item

[ornate hedge]

usually remove it 5-6

[forest coral]

it's so goddamn funny

[paper snow]

with firerate

[ornate hedge]

update day meka punch rework made it give normal fire rate too

even after boosters

it shot like mauga miniguns

i think thats why it got removed to be fixed

[paper snow]

they fix stuff so fast now

[ornate hedge]

too funny

[paper snow]

did you know there was a glitch to equip all 4 perks in the base game

[ornate hedge]

i saw

[paper snow]

the patched it immediately

[forest coral]

i really hated new meka punch until i went to practice range and was like wait this shit scales with wp attack speed now

maybe it isnt so bad

[paper snow]

it do feel better for sure

it also feels a lot stronger

[forest coral]

also getting booster reset even if u dont land a melee in boosters

[paper snow]

since you are more likely to get those kills early

[forest coral]

is kinda niche but it def feels nice

[paper snow]

I think WInton

will be annoying

[forest coral]

meka punch was lowkey my fav power in the game so when i first saw the rework i was malding

[ornate hedge]

ima q a tank match rq i have to try dva

[paper snow]

tracer wont be bad but winton and brig might be

[ornate hedge]

isnt it winston pharah brig first

[forest coral]

i think if they give brig 2 whip shots

[ornate hedge]

then tracer mid patch

[forest coral]

the mode is cooked

double boop lucio is already lowkey a top 3 most annoying power in the game

[ornate hedge]

remove lucio entirely

[forest coral]

lowkey might just be one of the best powers in the game in general

[ornate hedge]

the thing that makes him do more damage if u get booped into a wall is so annoying

same for zenn kick

[forest coral]

doesnt all of his healing scale with the buff they gave him on live

[ornate hedge]

yes it all scales on ap now

with the power

he's still bad healing

but not much of a throw

[forest coral]

i forgot is amp it up a set healing per second or is it a multiplier on his base healing per second

did the crossfade healing buff give him 25% more amped healing too

[ornate hedge]

idk anything abt stats on him

[forest coral]

i saw a lucio end with 21k healing with the next highest healing in the lobby being like 7k

i think that was one of my only genji losses

this season

genuinely it got to the point where so much was happening in the last round my game was lagging

so i fucked up game deciding blades

lowkey i think prepatch my top 3 most annoying powers were like

shadow clone mini bob double boop

[ornate hedge]

hold on in a game

[forest coral]

trying to decide if i fw martian mender

it's just like idk what i'd replace it with

since i already run phantasmic flux gloomgauntlet

[ornate hedge]

remove orisa from the game

[ornate hedge]

its all ineffective if you have good dps

its just a stat pad

[forest coral]

have seen those builds where orisa just javelin spams

[ornate hedge]

thats what this one is doing

[forest coral]

with the javelin spins tosses a javelin power

[ornate hedge]

i use all my dm for that then their dps sprayed me

[forest coral]

most of the time i just use dm to cover my whole disengage

feel like if i focus it anywhere else my team will just crumble before anything gets done may as well do it myself

[forest coral]

i meann

every single time i had blade he had beat

and every time i dashed on him to try to confirm a kill he'd have boops or overhealth or amp it was just so damn annoying

if i was playing better mechanically that game i probably do deal with it though

lowkey if i could make one decision for this mode besides removing junk i would just kill off every single power that gives a second charge of an ability

[fallow socket]

we can keep jq's one tho

i dont think its very good lol

[forest coral]

i mean i'm pretty damn sure that one was good

but i liked that it had the drawback that she gets less cd reduction on swing hits

i dont know why every double ability power doesnt have smth like that

i cant think of a single double ability power that isnt elite

micro missiles is prob the weakest and i still pick that shit every game

[ornate hedge]

lucio orisa

idk how im going to win this one

[forest coral]

i think lucio is genuinely dva's only counter in this mode

esp if he goes double boop

[ornate hedge]

my juno is going rey's broken build

the dive one

[forest coral]

usually if there's a lucio i try to go mark of kitsune + liquid nitrogen early

[ornate hedge]

if she has a brain unlike the juno i had earlier she could carry

[forest coral]

and just make it my #1 priority to kill him off asap

idk i just always went double axe queen as second power back before i became a dva otp

[fallow socket]

bro i swear ppl copy this build and still stay in the backline healing the tank

[forest coral]

but i also used to pick soaring stone bc i thought it was fun so

[fallow socket]

like why did u pick exhaust and tommygun then

[forest coral]

idk who rey is but is it the blink boots shit

[ornate hedge]

yea

[fallow socket]

yes

[ornate hedge]

reymecury

bro i cant do shit

this orisa is so weird

like actually

she has so much cd red and is only round 2

spear after spear

then lucio boop

then ashe coach gun

the juno cant even use the broken build

got rid of the whole reason its good

removed every survival item

[forest coral]

may need to look into this guessing it also goes hard with mark of kitsune

[ornate hedge]

motk ttt and taking advantage of the fact stinger does ap dmg

so u can proc cyber venom with her gun

[forest coral]

oh my god she can proc cybervenom and liquid nitrogen

that genuinely sounds hellish to play against

[ornate hedge]

no need for liq nitrogen

they cant run anyways

if u land 3 of the 12 shots she shoots in 1 burst they almost insta die

if u time it right u can speed blitz a mei/reaper

torpedo and land ur shots the second the torp lands

0 reaction time

[forest coral]

so do u run double missiles power

or the hyper ring overhealth stuff for extra survivability or what

damn i'd love to try this build some time but i think in my past 50 flex queue games i've gotten support once

[fallow socket]

ring

[acoustic kiln]

now that i hit pro

[fallow socket]

so u can stay in their backline longer

[acoustic kiln]

its time to ruin my elo by trying to make AP mercy work

[forest coral]

yeah bc i feel like that shi'ts kinda busted to enable aggro style

[acoustic kiln]

if you have comms juno's rings are actually elite

[fallow socket]

missiles are good but only for the burst with ur gun, u dont rlly need 2 charges that just means ur spending more time aiming torps rather than shooting ppl

[verbal lake]

You’re a monster

[forest coral]

do u ever go for the black hole slow

[acoustic kiln]

WP mercy is too good i gotta start challenging myself

[ornate hedge]

whambulance is actually really fun

[acoustic kiln]

i did it like twice

[acoustic kiln]

so its either AP mercy, or survivability + damage boost

[verbal lake]

Why not go battle medic build

[acoustic kiln]

eh

dont find it fun

[verbal lake]

It is but it’s so much effort for less reward than what you’d get from just stacking WP

[verbal lake]

To each their own I guess

[ornate hedge]

true

[verbal lake]

It was the first power I tired when stadium launched. I thought it’d be so fun cause it turns mercy’s most fun utility (her movement), into a healing option. Then I found out that the healing was pitiful at best

Sad cause with increased staff range + quicker GA + shorter cooldown, it could’ve cooked

[ornate hedge]

i think its the best option for mercy otp's when its a full dive comp

reaper genji queen

so u dont have to risk ur life

and u can just ga then cancel with a jump

and heal

[acoustic kiln]

turns out

attack speed does increase how fast symmetra's beam ramps up

so unless they change that on release she can almost instantly get level 3

[ornate hedge]

3rd game in a row with an orisa managed to win this one im so done playing tank rn

[ornate hedge]

i love solo shattering mei

❤️

[novel crag]

The lack of any proper matchmaking has killed my interest in the mode. I have yet to play a single balanced match.

[exotic pilot]

can they nerf zen survival build

its highkey making me tweak unironically the strongest build in the game

[acoustic kiln]

the devs are toying with me

they give me satan's most incompetent demons as teammates for like 10 matches in a row

then they give me 2 legendary skins from a normal lootbox

does this game hate me or love me just PICK ONEEEEE

[little valley]

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[tired verge]

the juno build gotta go man 💔

[hearty lodge]

which one?

[lunar veldt]

is anyone else seeing a rise of hackers in stadium?

[hallow fog]

If I wanted to play stadium I would close overwatch and go to a different game

[novel crag]

I’d rather play Concord than Stadium.

[tired verge]

the ability build with the 3 short flight perk

[proven knot]

anyone here who hit all star or legend got any juno build recommendations?

[acoustic kiln]

that build carried me to pro back in season 16

[hallow fog]

I’d just play deadlock the new valve moba/hero shooter

[ornate hedge]

the blink boots by @hearty lodge

[proven knot]

blink boots?

[ornate hedge]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/2fa329f0-ae9b-4721-8369-c47584fffb5f

by round 4 the game goes into your hands

i usually get stinger 3rd round instead of hyper healer

by round 5 you're a problem for the whole enemy team

picking people off one by one

they cant do anything

[proven knot]

got it. I’m just getting the build for a friend

[ornate hedge]

alr

[proven knot]

stinger is like

that one build that lets juno spam anti heals on primary right?

[ornate hedge]

yea

[proven knot]

does it have a real purpose outside of that

[ornate hedge]

ttt

[proven knot]

my friend mostly plays with me and i almost always get anti heals on dva

[ornate hedge]

three tap tummy gun that makes your gun scale off ap

[proven knot]

oh ya that ones good

[ornate hedge]

well the extra damage u get after using an ability

scales off ap

[proven knot]

oh three tap doesnt

its damage is set

mark of the kitsune tho scales

[ornate hedge]

idk the difference mb

its one of them tho

[proven knot]

@hearty lodge Friend has a few questions. Why blink boots first?

[ornate hedge]

I think it’s so you can get MOTK working early

since double torpedo isn’t that good anymore?m

[proven knot]

i trust his judgement

[proven knot]

friend was also wondering why no double torpedo (for the sake of proccing more abilities)

[ornate hedge]

the guns just do so much u dont need the torps

Essentially wasting time charging them

[proven knot]

Honestly torpedoes do kinda suck

[ornate hedge]

yea

[proven knot]

Anyone want a new missile build for Dva? Remade it for this season

[ornate hedge]

i could use it

[proven knot]

sure. I got a code for it but the build has no flex items

[ornate hedge]

bet

[proven knot]

VD0V5. I forget what I chose for the last power but honestly it kind of doesn’t matter and you can flex it

the key here really is just going all in on AP stuff and relying on facetanking as your only sustain

[ornate hedge]

alright

ima finish this support game then try it

[proven knot]

three tap tommygun & mark of the kitsune are really good here for making the missiles deadly even at range (tho you’ll probly never kill anything like this)

[ornate hedge]

i love diving into peoples faces anyways

ill never be at range

[proven knot]

ya you should

its good there too

sometimes you do poke a bit for ult charge tho

[ornate hedge]

Understood

yay sigma mei

amazing

[proven knot]

oh thats fine

should be able to force ice block on mei easily

[ornate hedge]

ive beat that before but its so draining

[proven knot]

ok thats fair

sigma is annoying

[ornate hedge]

sigma players cant hit anyone but the tank with ball

if a mercy was standing still rezzing they still miss

[proven knot]

isnt it fun to get hit by it off cd

[ornate hedge]

not at all

my team is trolling too arguing abt being liberal or something

[proven knot]

anyways you can avoid it with dva boosters in theory (fly straight up) but honestly its probly better to just accept ur gonna get hit by it

[ornate hedge]

doesnt help its mercy zen and the mercy is pocketing her boyfriend cass

[acoustic kiln]

pocketing in stadium

yuck

[ornate hedge]

its really bad

[ornate hedge]

the build is really fun

just beat a mirror dva

[forest coral]

true

easily the most broken build that's ever hit stadium

and the most corny

[ornate hedge]

mvping every round

even more than ball build moira

[forest coral]

if i run into the juno build again lowkey prob just not gonna play stadium until it's dealt with

[ornate hedge]

just hard focus her

[forest coral]

tried that

it gives teh rest of her team so much damn space

and she gets so much sustain you need elite mechanical consistency

[ornate hedge]

the new anti air thing works well

even moira can kill her

if u play safe

[forest coral]

@proven knot would u say that dva's worst supp line matchup in this game is lucio zen

bc it genuinely feels oppressive for the melee build

honestly dropping gloomgauntlet for the first time ever bc of it

[proven knot]

idk. I agree Lucio alone is 100%. I’m trying out the missile build again tho. It might be good at dealing with Lucio

Some changes I made

[ornate hedge]

the missile build might be better then melee

[proven knot]

No sustain items at all and I’m running the item that slows with ability damage

[ornate hedge]

or mixing both

[proven knot]

• mark of the kitsune and three tap tommygun

It makes missiles super deadly even at range

[proven knot]

VD0V5 this is the build im using rn if you wanna check it out

[forest coral]

yeah usually i go full melee then melee ap hybrid

and gradually go more and more into ap

but this time im just full out committing to ap

i feel like trying to hard commit onto this backline cant work

esp with mei rein

[proven knot]

yeah it just doesnt

like lucio stops engages so hard

so imo dont even bother with meka punch

i think your choices are either some sort of ranged weapon power build with fusion driver

[forest coral]

double boop + snap kick + discord + mei and rein ignoring matrix

is so eww

[proven knot]

or all in on missile build

youll have to get creative getting around rein shield

but you should be able to kill lucio for booping you back

[forest coral]

nvm u cant stop the goat

honestly it was fun

bc i had to learn a new playstyle mid game

instead of running down individual targets with burst and snowballing i had to play off angles to break their bunker

[proven knot]

feels bad :/

[forest coral]

since rein was running the fuck ass shield hp build

[proven knot]

i hate shooting the tank

[forest coral]

i mean if he's just going to sit main and hold shield all game

im going to walk onto some flank and make him look at me

and if anyone steps even an inch over bounds to force me out

legendary loadout + mark of kitsune + liquid nitrogen gg

lowkey that's one of those games where one of the roudns crushes you so damn hard it feels genuinely unwinnable then you slowly start to consider things like

okay if i make any mistakes whatsoever with my dive i get booped and discorded and matrix wont save me bc a sped up mei and rein will walk on me

half the time zen is playing on a sightline where i take too much damage just trying to stage and any places i dont take damage take way too long to get to and my team gets run down

so what if i just like

soft engage ..

which means i have singlehandedly solved brawl comps

[forest coral]

like this build is genuinely so damn stupid

like she has super duper strong missiles and that's just acherry on top it's not even like a notable part of the build

[proven knot]

whats the build

is it that one that was posted earlier

also i think im gonna hit allstar tonight. missile build is kinda insane

i think it loses to orisa but other than that i think its a good matchup into every other tank

[forest coral]

the three tap tommy blink boosts exhaust build

[proven knot]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/2fa329f0-ae9b-4721-8369-c47584fffb5f

?

[forest coral]

yeah that god awful build

[proven knot]

lol

my friend just started running

he called juno mid before

now hes calling her broken and s tier

I’m liking it. I can finally stop choosing anti heals on Dva

honestly 3 tap tommygun and mark of the kitsune is a pretty insane combo

You guys think this tier list is accurate? I do disagree with Dvas spot tho

[neon galleon]

I feel like Zarya is kinda too high since she doesn’t exactly have too much utility aside from damage

I would probably put Moira higher up in B since those orbs can be so fucking annoying with spreading cyber venom and nitrogen-

I would probably swap Orisa, JQ, and Sigma around with each other? All things considered Orisa can have a somewhat easy time denying their value if she uses her cooldowns right since the only thing attack that isn’t an ult between the 2 that spin can’t block is the rock and honestly Orisa can have an easy time just….ignoring Rampage-

[ornate hedge]

zarya too high

jq too high

cass too high

moira too low

dva too low

ashe maybe back 2

mercy maybe up 1

[proven knot]

idk where I’d place Ana. Feel like she’s good but literally only with Dva so

[neon galleon]

also bump Reaper to at least mid B cause he can legitimately cause problems for the enemy team

[neon galleon]

She can be extremely strong if you have a really good nano target but she struggles against divers in Stadium if her team doesn’t help her

[ornate hedge]

i think reaper is the most like his normal overwatch

[proven knot]

yeah exactly

[ornate hedge]

not much craziness

[proven knot]

and dva solves both issues

Idk how to feel about Reaper

i see too many Reapers just do absolutely nothing

but then some are a terror

[ornate hedge]

exactly

too hit or miss

i think he deserves that spot

[neon galleon]

This is coming from my experience playing Reaper in the mode, he CAN become a nightmare to fight and he DOES have some ways to fight back against his counters in the mode, but his dive potential can take a beating once the enemy catches on to who you’re going after first. However there is still some consistency to his performance I find which is why I think mid B is better for him. Would probably swap him with Mei honestly cause to get reasonable damage on her you HAVE to focus on secondary fire which leaves her utility lacking and to make her utility worthwhile you are losing out on a fair bit of damage

[proven knot]

oh ya almost forgot

genji is good

def not c tier

[neon galleon]

Yeah I would probably put Genji high A, but I also suck at Genji so I’m not the best to describe him in Stadium-

[proven knot]

hes just the best flanker imo

[ornate hedge]

i feel like genji can enable people who are usually bad at him to be good at him

[proven knot]

idk i also see a lot of bad genjis

but i dont think hes like reaper

[neon galleon]

You still need to be good with Genji, you WILL DIE if you are not

[proven knot]

everytime i see a bad genji its p clear there’s a lot they could be doing better

and then reaper just sometimes it seems like he can’t do anything at all

[ornate hedge]

esp vs mercy juno

[neon galleon]

Part of it is that Reaper has more dependency with team comp I feel, he is more….I guess reliant on flanking while his team has them distracted than Genji

In a way kinda like Spy from TF2, if you try to dive as Reaper while there isn’t any action going on, you are GOING to get your ass kicked, but if you go in while the enemy is distracted by the rest of your team, then is the time to make a play. Genji on the other hand simply…has more options to get in, get the kill, and then GTFO even when the enemy team aren’t really engaged yet.

[proven knot]

oh and lastly i would put Dva in S tier but i get thats a hot take

some bias there probly

[ornate hedge]

i'd make a new tier for d.va 3 higher than s

[neon galleon]

My thing on Reaper definitely has some bias to it but I’d still say he is at least B tier worthy due to my experience with him. definitely more worth it than Mei. Unless it’s against Orisa. For some reason random Orisas on my team have problems with Mei-

[proven knot]

a lot of people call dva bad in stadium

and i did pretty well with her on pc and console last season

and this season

but also like im pretty good but i rly dont feel like im carrying a bad character

[hallow fog]

I bet 6v6 has more players than stadium

[clever imp]

That’s great buddy, you enjoy that

[hallow fog]

Thanks man, tell Arron we ain’t waiting 2 seasons

[ornate hedge]

the stadium hate is so forced

[hallow fog]

It’s not even that it got boring, it quite literally fell off a cliff

[proven knot]

do you want attention

[hallow fog]

No I want matchmaking

That’s all I ask

[proven knot]

and also attention?

[hallow fog]

Nope

[proven knot]

are you sure

[hallow fog]

Matchmaking, sorry that I don’t enjoy the gamemode as much as you do

you have fun though

[proven knot]

i will

[ornate hedge]

whats with the matchmaking

you play support?

sup queues are long cuz of everyone wanting to play sup

not cuz blizzard messed anything up

queue tank or dps and its instant

so blame the mercy and moira otps

[forest coral]

whose list is this

[proven knot]

emongg?

idk

[forest coral]

i agree with jq placement post nerf

but there's no way dva isnt the best tank right

there's also no way genji isnt s

[ornate hedge]

genji isnt worth s

hes not broken

[forest coral]

maybe there just havent been good cass players in my lobbies for whatever reason

but i feel like i do not see that hero do anything often

in the past few weeks every time i've seen a dps dominate a lobby it's been genji freja or ashe

[ornate hedge]

alot of them need to be changed

[forest coral]

i feel like soldier is b

lowkey

they removed the sprint biotic field power bug and i think the viability of that build lowkey relied on that

and most of his other standards builds are like

yea hthey were good early on but i feel like soldier is just an easy target nowadays

my dps elo is normaally high diamond low master and my winrate's been really good so theoretically i should be running into the really good dps

but i feel like i havent run into a single one of the really dominant casses that i've seen in ranked

the casses i do see usually just get devoured by my genji or dva builds

also i feel like genji just does not have many bad matchups at all

[hallow fog]

I wanna play support but not waiting 16 min for a match. Also overall the player count is low for stadium

[forest coral]

zarya matchup can be annoying i feel like i've run into a dva as genji like once in the past month so i dont know how much she shits on genji

[proven knot]

agreed

[ornate hedge]

find someone to q dps or tank with u and itll be instant

[proven knot]

but

ppl just keep fking losing on dva

[forest coral]

maybe juno is a struggle but i also feel like genji is one of the only characters that could potentially contest the evil ass juno build

[proven knot]

nah zar is free

[forest coral]

i think stadium dva is just like

you either get it or you dont

no build is going to carry you even if ur just kinda throwing shit at the wall

[hallow fog]

I’ll see

[forest coral]

while other tanks it's like

half the rein powers will just play the game for you

but dva is extremely voltale in either that player is useless or that player is singlehandedly annihilating your team

with a hero that already has a very low pickrate

[forest coral]

as genji?

sometimes makes it really hard to play neutral, can punish a bad engage harder than most other heroes, can break your build by just bubbling the person ur trying to duel

i feel like bubble is the only thing that can somewhat consistently ruin my genji engage

sometimes need to get a whole ass item to make the mu feel okay

also is kiri really s tier

i feel like the only time where kiri has actually felt dominant or oppressive as a character

has been when the 5 second clone shit was everywhere

i feel like that power is lowkey ass now

but maybe my 2 heroes just have a really good MU into kiri

[proven knot]

o

dva nvmd

[forest coral]

i havent lost to a zar as dva in ages that matchup is free

[proven knot]

its so easy

i legit autopilot

[forest coral]

rein can pin to you and hit you around cover orisa can spin over to you and spam cc you queen can dash over to you cc you hit through matrix

against zarya you just need to track a few bubbles and play ur cover

[proven knot]

i barely even track bubbles

maybe early rounds

later rounds im just shooting

[forest coral]

my 2 losses this season were to queen and rein

but rein doesnt count he had that bum ass juno build on his team

[proven knot]

idk i barely even count my losses

sometimes people just want to lose

[fast rivet]

over 20 minute queue for stadium support????????????????????????

[neon galleon]

Probably a lot to do with clone trauma but she does have stuff like healing making allies attack faster, Kitsune Rush making enemies slower when you trigger it, Kitsune Rush healing, Kiriko has a lot of stuff that can make her a problem

[neon galleon]

Feel like when fighting Zar the biggest problem isn’t even what Zar herself can do it’s getting your random teammates to all decide to ignore whoever has the bubbles or to focus her down before her damage becomes a problem

[tepid finch]

how exactly does weapon/ap lifesteal scale with reaper?

[mellow field]

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[livid marsh]

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[neon galleon]

I don’t know….probably doesn’t really matter with him since he has so much already, not like you’ll really want AP lifesteal on him anyway

[tepid finch]

death step build

[neon galleon]

….he has like….35% lifesteal naturally, and one of his powers make it become doubled once you teleport in for a bit, why would you need more AP lifesteal??

Especially on a build that literally just gets you killed for most of the early rounds

No amount of lifesteal is saving your ass in those early rounds

[tepid finch]

ap lifesteal is actually the only viable way to build that setup

it makes a noticable difference in the earlier rounds

before the update u could only get like 20%, now u can get 40%

[neon galleon]

Again, in the early rounds you are dead when you use it, bottom line. There is no amount of lifesteal saving your ass in those early rounds when you got shit like Firestrike and Carnage that can just rip you to pieces, or the multiple characters that can stun you out of it or overall just stop you from getting value off of it

[tepid finch]

no worries, I pick it at round 3

[neon galleon]

Reaper is one of those characters that can take a fair bit of rounds to properly scale up, and needs specific items and playstyles to maximize his early game gains so that his late game can become as monstrous as possible. The last thing you should really be doing is going a build that makes you a sitting duck all because you use one of your abilities

[tepid finch]

I just play strangle step tank build to get money early

still wanna know what the numerical increases are in connection to his base lifesteal

[neon galleon]

Again he naturally has like 35% lifesteal and strangle step gives him doubled that, I find getting more lifesteal isn’t exactly a priority on him

[tepid finch]

yeah well guess u haven't played that build enough

[neon galleon]

Besides I doubt they fully stack since the nerf only mentions his base lifesteal

[proven knot]

legit the only time she becomes a problem. when i get plat teammates who refuse to ever shoot bubble so they just get run over by a completely uncontested zarya.

but hey at least they didn’t shoot her bubbles and give her charge right?

[acoustic kiln]

ive never seen an entire enemy team leave in the first two rounds

i will take the free win though im pro 3 now

[proven knot]

anyone got a reaper and freja build for stadium

ig moira too while im at it

[hearty lodge]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/all-stars_freja_hyper_carry_by_reymercury

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/e04150e3-a4d9-4449-9e8f-fc972cf0b95d

[proven knot]

appreciate it man

[neon galleon]

I don’t really got a solid Reaper build in place, I mainly grab whatever I feel like grabbing along with making sure I grab Vanadium Injection, usually at around round 3 cause I’ve notice your ult drops fast past round 1 if you aren’t building for it. Powers though I have a pretty set in stone 4 being Spirited to Slay, Wraith Renewal, Harvest Fest, and Shrouded Shrapnel. Spirited to Slay and Wraith Renewal are always grabbed while Harvest Fest and Shrouded Shrapnel can be changed or swapped if needed

[tepid finch]

do u have to keep ur rank till season end to get the title and card?

[ornate hedge]

yup

i played zarya last few hours and it didnt go well lost my legend title

has to be current

[proven knot]

@hearty lodge zen build?

[hearty lodge]

i tried making some of my own, didn't work

[proven knot]

shame i kinda just gassed you up ngl

[hearty lodge]

ultimately, this is what worked best for me:
https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/83cd2184-1164-4b84-b00a-6e45ee4e82f5

[proven knot]

aigh appreciate it

[hearty lodge]

😅 sorry to disapoint you this time! my forte are movement characters

[proven knot]

lol no worries

juno build you sent me was gas

my duo absolutely stands by it now

[hearty lodge]

too bad there's no quickplay yet, i'd be experimenting with Lucio but i don't want to kill my rank for it

[proven knot]

make an alt

[hearty lodge]

huh, didn't consider that

[proven knot]

do you need a phone number?

[hearty lodge]

oh yeah, you do need one

[proven knot]

No I mean

do YOU?

[hearty lodge]

i used to not be able to play for years because my number was stuck on a banned account (long story)

[hearty lodge]

i'd need one to get an alt

[proven knot]

Alright I’ll give you one tomorrow. It’ll cost me like 2$ but w/e

[hearty lodge]

WOWOWOWOWOWO

why would you do that???

[proven knot]

2$ is nothing and making stadium guides helps everyone

[hearty lodge]

😅

i'll humbly take it then

thanks

[proven knot]

Sounds good. Just make the write up eventually

[hearty lodge]

it's a promise!

with an alt i can experiment on so many characters i wouldn't otherwise

[proven knot]

yeah i feel that

I’d love to see more experimentation with stadium as a whole

[hearty lodge]

lucio, ana, zenn, d.va come to mind

[proven knot]

But all of my passion for it is Dva

Oh ya leave Dva to me

I am making a guide for her but I’m waiting for the next patch because they essentially promised to change her

[hearty lodge]

hopefully they finally buff her

[proven knot]

they will

idc if they do rly

[hearty lodge]

if they nerf her again it'd be like beating down a dead horse

[proven knot]

but like

The patch promised changes for some reason

even tho it was all nerfs

[hearty lodge]

do you have the mythic btw? how is it?

[proven knot]

Oh I love it

I’m a Dva otp

in all modes

[hearty lodge]

nicee

she's hard, i like movement characters but she doesn't keep momentum well like doomfist or wrecking ball sadly

[proven knot]

Yeah she’s less of a dive tank than they are

Their roles are a bit different

[hearty lodge]

but she has better burst dmg

she antiairs which in stadium is very well appreciated

[proven knot]

consistent ya

[hearty lodge]

and can counter my Juno build

[proven knot]

doom can one shot with charge tho

oh ya

how is that anti air perk

i never choosevit

[hearty lodge]

it's weirdly inconsistent

it's not bad

it's actually really good

but it's a bait item

[proven knot]

I have no idea what I would drop for it

I need 3 tap tommy gun and mark of the kitsune

[hearty lodge]

i like it cause it makes the Juno vs Juno matchup so easy if you know the tech while they dont, but otherwise it's redundant on everyone else almost every time

it's insane on direct hit Junkrat tho

the thing that makes it good is that it triggers three tap tommygun

[proven knot]

so it works like 3 tap right? I can shoot them from a range and it does a ton of damage?

[hearty lodge]

so you can build three tap on a character with slow shots and make it work with the antiair item

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no, i mean it works in tandem with TTT

it triggers the 3 hits of TTT

because its DoT that the game considers made from a weapon

[proven knot]

ah

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in Juno vs Juno you'd build it as your third epic

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I see

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you can actually build it to counter mercy as well

it's not bad... but it's purely situational

i love it's introduction in the item pool

[proven knot]

Mercy is super common on console. I can do it with my build as is

But if it made it even easier

its worth a mention in my future guide

[hearty lodge]

do you use TTT on dva?

[proven knot]

always

every build

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i can see that working with a 4s dash and your miniguns

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nice

[proven knot]

i think

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she's probs the best tank for it

[proven knot]

ttt and kitsune is incredibly broken as a combo to the point where you should always be building it IF your character can justify doing so

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you can one shot squishies if you have a TTT charge prepared and all your abilities to use

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i agree

i don't want to sound like a one trick pony but most my builds use that combo

[proven knot]

i can essentially one shot squishies from a range if they get no healing with it

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it's just so much good burst damage in a game where people heal so fast they seem immortal

[proven knot]

the only time i dont use kitsune is when i build weapon power

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people are using it on soldier, juno, dva, lucio, reinhardt, ashe, freja, junkrat, ana, it's just so insanely good

the worst thing is, i don't think it should be nerfed

i legit think we need more combos like that to make the mode interesting

[proven knot]

i dont know what they should do with it yet

its blatantly broken on dva and juno

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the game is gonna be SO interesting once they add consumables

i can see genjis buying a bunch of them to steamroll the early in rounds

[proven knot]

like rn im trying to hit legend and its legit been so easy with the combo

i dont even choose sustain items

i dont need them

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on juno you just take a 4000 item and you become immortal

that plus the hyper ring giving you more overhealth and you can confidently build damage

and the combo is so cheap it's not even funny

junkrat can't afford it tho...

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oh ya i think i pinged you with questions abt the build

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they need to buff junkrat

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ya my duo took those back lol

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mainly junkrat's cash income

[proven knot]

idk

hes tough

cant make him too good

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he's so bad, every time i see a junkrat, that team loses

just buff his income by 22%

or 15%

[proven knot]

i mean like I do too but theres a lot of bias here

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just a nudge more so he doesn't end with 17.5k consistently on round 3