stadium-discussion

[forest coral]

only tank that has 0 answer to boop spam

[proven knot]

anyways for lucio build weapon power. dont need to full commit to it but you are def gonna need the antiheal perk and probly some other weapon power items

i like tommygun (using an ability gives your next weapon damage extra damage or smthn)

helps vs mobile chars

longer boosters might be worth considering too but idk. never got to test. no one plays lucio

[forest coral]

i usually always built hybrid for dva until getting second missiles

[proven knot]

my go to build

is hybrid

[forest coral]

phantasmic flux was always a permastay after gloomgauntlet

do u have any wp items you particularly recommend

[proven knot]

i do

1 sec

[forest coral]

i think i get shieldbuster pretty often against rein orisa

maybe I could fit hardlight accelerator in

[proven knot]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/5a458303-8e8d-4c37-8d9d-bdff3f9bc1a5

[forest coral]

not sure if I’d ever pick it over cyber venom or liquid nitrogen though

feel like those shut lucio down pretty hard too

[proven knot]

eye of the spider, 3 tap tommygun, healing reduc

multitask mod situationally

kitsune if you can fit it

[proven knot]

nah

dont bother

oh nvmd you do

i just ignore rein

[forest coral]

yeah sometimes I just feels like rein can backline trade harder than me

so it’s nice to be able to punish if he gets over aggressive

[proven knot]

when i was still learning stadium

i lost to rein so many times

i actually couldnt win

i was so mad

so i decided to just ignore him entirely and kill backline

[forest coral]

yeah i learned pretty damn quickly that he can peel hard against dva if he really wants to

and you're never winning a straight up frontline trade

[proven knot]

yeah

im just going in with my normal comp mentality

tank peeling is bad and if he peels then i win that engagement

[forest coral]

so it's about planning your engage in a way where he cant get on you instantly with charge

[proven knot]

if i get pinned in normal comp that isnt good

so avoid that here too

im so done shooting him unless i truly have nothing better to do

he never dies

[ornate hedge]

did they remove meka punch 😢😿

[forest coral]

honestly i tried to play stadium when i was still in classes and at one point my dva win ratio was 8 wins 14 losses i think back then i was experimenting with lifesteal and tokki slam / bulky builds

then after finals i was actually able to lock back in and my friend gave me a piece of dva advice and i ended the season 19 wins 16 losses

means after i adjusted my dva style i went 11 wins 2 losses

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/af4788f8-bd99-40d4-9cea-57c00b4364ad

this is typically how i built in that run

[forest coral]

it's probably bugged after they reworked it

dumb as hell rework just revert that shit give me my old meka punch back!!

[ornate hedge]

oh okay not queueing tank till its back then i rely on it too much its so good

[forest coral]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

watching people blow up after 2 punches was so damn funny

[ornate hedge]

first they nerf it which btw wasnt needed then its bugged

[ornate hedge]

and them not knowing why becuz "melee is useless"

[forest coral]

meka punch my beautiful son please come back 💔

[forest coral]

THAT SHIT PISSES ME OFF

"we know that dva does not stand out as a top-tier tank"

OKAY SO WHY ARE HER PATCH NOTES JUST 3 NERFS

you are acknowledging that she is in the bottom half of tanks and you're giving her only nerfs/???

and nerfing her best shit??

[ornate hedge]

YES THAT PART

almost everyone in stadium counters her

so lets take the 1 build that made her fun and feel viable

and destroy it

[forest coral]

for real like how am i going to get a 15k credit lead on my team by round 3 now

bring back meka punch that power was not drastically OP!!!

[ornate hedge]

NOT OP AT ALL

[hearty lodge]

FOR THE SECOND TIME

Dva hate is hilarious, she was set up for failure from the very beginning and the devs keep beating this dead horse

[vapid stone]

was reallyyy hoping stadium queue times would get better

i wait ten minutes to get no hitscan dps against mercy. 😔

[hallow fog]

Hi overwatch devs

Can we remove zen from stadium

[proven knot]

yeah i was just grinding losses. but also i was testing a lot of dva stuff because like

if i didnt then no one else would

[proven knot]

ok disagree

lucio does sure

but no one else

DVA IS GOOD JUST NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO BUILD HER PROPERLY

very much a character you WILL lose on without a good build

also bomb build wasnt even her best build

this is my dva build. if you guys are curious my writeup here has A LOT of notes explaining the thought process and reasonings for power/item choice + suggestions for alternatives. it has room for customization
https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/5a458303-8e8d-4c37-8d9d-bdff3f9bc1a5

Oh and if you guys ever see me in matchmaking don't fucking mirror me on Dva

[nova edge]

I hate that they kept allstar juno as i didn't tryhard for it so much

[pure latch]

dva is underwhelming, got nerfed.
kiri is overwhelming, got buffed on her healing.
lol

[proven knot]

nah dva is ffffffffffiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnneeeeeee

[pure latch]

i know she's fine but that is the best she could do, being fine.
meanwhile, other tanks: i will murder everyone!

lol

[proven knot]

oh you can do the same its just

skillful

[pure latch]

that's exactly the point why she's underwhelming.

[proven knot]

should dva be braindead op?

[hearty lodge]

should she not?

[proven knot]

no

no one has fun when dva is meta

but still not defending the nerfs

meka punch nerf was random

[paper snow]

I believe it

I like dva

[shadow fjord]

melee tankyatta is a new fav build of mine i've decided

[livid bolt]

excited to try out zen

I did one game yesterday it was a sigma rock build

Worked pretty well

[quartz hill]

I'm looking forward to grinding for the new stadium skin for merky

[torpid breach]

If my friend is gold and I’m silver in ranked role queue do i have to reach gold on all roles to play with them?

[pure latch]

no but why nerf her if she is already underwhelming.

[proven knot]

thats what im saying

nerfing my character in her mythic season with the textual equivalent of a middle finger in the patch notes?

it just feels disrespectful

[hearty lodge]

THIS IS SO REAL

Its her mythic season!

[autumn crescent]

junkrat's mayhem builds suck

[autumn crescent]

is that the booster plus punch reset build

that sprayed fire everywhere

because ive played against that and not once was i able to beat it no matter my team

[proven knot]

no

lava perk is troll

meka punch is where the moneys at

[autumn crescent]

they had both and it just shredded

[naive lantern]

Does Kiriko's suzu clean the effects of Cybervenom?
Noticed that Moira's voidhoppers does not get rid of it, but I haven't found a way to test this with Kiri

[neon galleon]

Pretty sure it can but like…if it’s a Moira, a JQ, an Ashe, or a Mei spreading it around…they’re just going to immediately apply it again. Heck a good JQ can even get around Suzu getting rid of her wound ticks not only because of an item but also because of just how easily she can reapply them, and of course her being able to turn her own clone against her by using it to recharge shout

[naive lantern]

i mean yeah, i can easily reapply it again with moira, but i was mostly interested in mechanics of it
haven't figured out a way to easily test this in workshop

[neon galleon]

What I’m more interested in right now is if Zen’s power that lets a percentage of his damage heal whoever has harmony orb on them also counts the damage from the discord orb stuff, like the damage over time one and the discord explosion on crits one

[verbal lake]

Anyone got good sigma builds yet

[neon galleon]

I’ve only gotten one match as Sigma right now but combining the mini barrier, the constantly regening barrier, and the health regen from being near a barrier for any ally including your own worked pretty well for me in that match

Reaper focusing on tank busting though proved to be pretty annoying-

[plain lantern]

Anyone got a good zen build

[left flint]

1st round, (kinetic grasp fills experimental barrier)/Weapon Power +5%/Weapon Speed +5%/ and something like death adds +15 Ult CHarge, 3rd round (experimental barrier regens slowly) and the one that extends the reach of your weapon (forget name)/ if you break 4th round go for the mini experimental barrier. This is my solo queue build...

When I have a team I use the Accretion pulls you to its center for round 1. Round 3 I might alter to the exploding orbs that circle you and the melee that makes you levitate.

Stadium matches have me so locked in in QP these days XD

[neon galleon]

Ok so I can confirm that Mondatta’s Mantra can make Zen extremely tanky as in the practice range from healing just 3 of the bots and having about 90% AP I was able to get Zen to have enough overhealth to reach 2k hp- though I have noticed that it decays pretty quickly

Also after some testing I don’t believe that friendship bracelet affects the harmony orb you can have on yourself due to inner peace

[autumn crescent]

when are they adding chaingun back to soldier...

[reef lichen]

can someone please give me a junkrat build

[mossy storm]

melee build zenyatta is so fun

[echo valley]

Jq nerf was unnecessary

[earnest gazelle]

I don't neccesarily think so, getting a speed boost off every kill on a snowbally character is a bit strong

[echo valley]

Ok but 50%?

maybe 70% would be just as effective

[earnest gazelle]

50%is fair, that's still like, minus 6 seconds

[ornate hedge]

jq nerf was definately neccesary

now we just need kiriko bot to not have aimbot

[forest coral]

no it wasn’t

that was easily a top 2 power in the game

if not straight up the best

the only thing keeping that power in check was equally busted shit like double lucio boop and double kiri suzu

[neon galleon]

Even then with double boop JQ straight up has an item that lets her get EVEN FASTER if she gets booped and there is an item to make all those cleansed wound ticks give her overhealth anyway

[tired kayak]

who has some stadium builds

[paper snow]

HEALER 76 1GMXN

@livid marsh I made an updated version

1GMXN

[paper snow]

here are a couple Genji build Master of the Shuriken K4JY3

[tired kayak]

thx

[paper snow]

Master of the Sword Genji E743B

[paper snow]

if you need some others I will be cooking all week

so dont worry

LMK

IM THE BUILD MAN

[tired kayak]

can i have op cas build and genji melee build?

[paper snow]

gotta build it but sure

[tired kayak]

thx a lot

[oak mason]

I feel like stadium should of used your mmr from comp, I keep getting placed into plat games and im going insane

[paper snow]

I call this the all rounder M6GQ9

its has a bit of everything so you can dish out decent dmg and keep the train going

[tired kayak]

what hero?

[paper snow]

cass

[tired kayak]

thank u

ima try it later

[paper snow]

Master of the Dragon build RHXSD

this one is for genji

I try to make all my builds as economic for ppl who kinda suck

that way you can build fast without worrying about cash too much

usually around 47k each but late game

they scale well

[tired kayak]

Im one trick genji

Is this a melee build?

[paper snow]

yes

this build is centered around the slash deflect

so building it to refresh dash and allow you to make pressure and get out for free

the first three items are usually what complete it at the first 3 rounds

any other items are youre choice

[tired kayak]

I need the best mele build

[paper snow]

the late game stuff complete the build

[tired kayak]

if u have that

[paper snow]

and flex are Qol/ survival stuff just in case you keep gettin one tapped or beamed

[paper snow]

RHXSD

thats the one I came up with

[tired kayak]

mele build?

[paper snow]

its viable and makes you immortal

[tired kayak]

thats mele build right

[paper snow]

and yes it is melee focused

its build around lifesteal and deflect slash

As a genji main this one is best for those who know how to play him well

@livid marsh you been cooking anything

[tepid finch]

just had a 90 elim zarya, most braindead tank by far

[neon galleon]

I literally just had an Orisa game where I just kept acting like a wall. Bullied the enemy Zen a lot too-

[tired kayak]

@paper snow

[reef lichen]

people who main kiri in this gamemode are such disgusting creatures

[celest jewel]

i made a build for zen

he can delete people

im

in

the blink of an eye

[acoustic kiln]

alright time to

play support and build only survival

[small mantle]

ashe dynamites is bugged in stadium it doesn't play animation it makes me miss it in air

[hot drum]

Average mei tank player

[wet jackal]

Nuisance

Had an Ana get 700 health yesterday she was actually unkillble

Just really slimy and never missed a sleep

[shadow fjord]

lol going tankyatta has been fun, since his kick can scale off armor

had a game where i was bullying a dva by chasing her down and kicking her into a wall over and over

[hearty lodge]

Anyone has a workshop code to play stadium maps? i want to practice Lucio rollouts!

[idle light]

genuinely does anyone think that ashe's burn build is in anyway fair? why does every pellet on her coach gun burn and you can have the shittiest ashe with 0 aim doing the most damage and farming the most gold because its so easy to stack burns

[main jungle]

This sounds dumb, but just shoot her, like alot

[vapid stone]

why is the support stadium queue so damn long

the season launched a DAY ago

how was i in queue for 12 minutes

[hearty lodge]

it's fair because it's attatched to a character with no defensive options. Where the only mobility option she has she's using it instead for damage.

Also. Just buy [Cushioned Padding]

this item right here counters Burn effects

it might as well say take 40% less damage from ashe's burns

[vapid stone]

like my console friend is gonna queue

hes in the same rank

FOUND A GAME IN A MINUTE 50

queueing only support

just now

the player count difference between console and pc is literally astronomical

god i wish we got crossplay this season

id actually get to PLAY stadium

[tepid finch]

man its gonna be so fun getting back to all star with ALL THESE GARBAGE MATES

[calm sleet]

Naw time to hit legend this season ❤️

[oblique saffron]

Does winning attitude work everytime you die?

[oblique saffron]

OMG ITS REYMERCURY

HAVEN'T SEEN U IN A HOT MINUTE!

[idle light]

I see, I just feel like the game is filled with so many frustrating low skill-floor stuff like Moira E and now this + they add spamrat into the fold and Stadium is becoming less and less fun

[autumn crescent]

?!? its like 2 minutes max for me

[molten quartz]

is making your nano boost in stadium an ace in the hole a good way to play ana?

[hearty lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzQEoQgNjRo

stadium E-Sports

[deep ether]

Question if I wanted to do a stadium Juno attack speed build should I run stinger and what advice would you have?

[neon galleon]

Simple: don’t. Juno’s attack speed is fine as is and you won’t really get a lot done with stinger if you don’t boost your AP any, though you should be focusing on torpedoes in the first place on her-

also I’m 75% sure if you raise attack speed too high you will start losing damage on stinger cause your shots will be connecting faster than stinger can get through its damage since it can’t stack

[hearty lodge]

it triggers for 1s, so as long as you are hitting them within 1s the attackspeed won't matter

that doesn't mean you can't stack stinger on top of your already working attack speed build

but it shouldn't have priority over other options

[deep ether]

Yeah I've yet to figure out good power choices

Stinger was just one of the few that helped with dmg

[deep ether]

Thanks I'll definitely look for a better option

Also it's not really an attack speed build it's also dmg but attack speed helps with healing (I think) and I'd like to at least be able to call myself a hybrid then just a dps juno

I love Dps supports especially when I used to play Paladins (R.I.P. you were fun while you lasted) but I do understand it's pretty mean to play a support then just not heal

[echo valley]

Real, I told soldier to get on the high ground and he proceeds to run into their entire team in the red zone

Not even using an ap build to outdo their damage

Also best dps builds are vamp mei and attack speed cass

You dont need weapon damage if you sling faster than they heal

Every juno i see, sucks now

[oblique saffron]

Does winning attitude work everytime you die?

[neon galleon]

Yes, if it doesn’t say it has a limit on how many times it triggers, it’ll trigger every time

[opaque bear]

yo guys what do I run for zen

[neon galleon]

I think the main Zen builds are either building up weapon power and using the power that lets your damage heal whoever has the harmony orb on them, going AP and nuking whoever has discord orb, or getting a shit ton of armor and going melee, which I’ve heard is apparently fun

[snow ivy]

Is anyone else lagging in stadium? I played a game recently and on the last round it was 3-3 it kicked us from the game and put us on a different map but then when we won I got no progress at all

lol

[oblique saffron]

Can upgrade some power's output? Like orisa's sheild that uses ability power

[elfin storm]

Yeah. Ive been lagging in the late rounds aswell after the recent update. Not absurd lagging but still enough to annoy me.

[neon galleon]

If you mean can AP and WP improve the damage and healing from powers, yes. If the damage or healing number is red then WP affects it and if it’s purple then AP affects it

If it’s neither then it can depend on a few factors like if it’s based on an already existing attack which you use what that attacks works with or the power itself may say what can boost it

For example Zarya’s ult power doesn’t have red or purple text but it instead says that your energy level can improve its damage, along with the fact that AP is affecting your ult already

[oblique saffron]

Omg thanks you

Your the GOAT!

[snow ivy]

Yeah exactly, for me it happened whenever kiriko tp'd to me (enemy) really weird and after 1 sec i was already dead. Just pure luck that we won lol

[paper snow]

Genji build - Assassin's Dagger 6H6CH

meant for melee

[paper snow]

Cass build - Bounty Hunter 70JD2

meant for consistency

[lunar veldt]

any items to counter junk traps as rein?

[primal shoal]

Dva missiles build - HKQQZ

[harsh radish]

Congratulations sigma for being the worst tank in the game

[primal shoal]

dva ap missile build is so op

just destroyed someone

with 20k more credits then my team

[quiet basalt]

hey does anyone have a build code for the clone kiri build?

i heard she is OP right now

who has the most op clone kiri build before she will get a nerf

[rustic sorrel]

i love how my wifi shit itself in the middle of a match, made me manually log in after a while 30 seconds, let me back in JUST IN TIME to BARELY win the match, and then suspends me for 15 minutes

[acoustic kiln]

soldier field build late game is insane

once i get back off its so fucking crazy

we were down 3-1 and then we just steamrolled them right after

cuz i could heal, damage, and tank all at once

[proven condor]

wow kiri clone needs to be nerfed

that is just way too strong

[verbal lake]

https://x.com/lcapussi/status/1938389990230073791?s=46

Uniwatch (@LCapussi)

Turns out, with workshop enabled, all heroes have stadium announcer lines! @OW2voicelines

X · Jun 27, 2025, 12:12 AM

This is pretty cool

[ornate hedge]

meka punch is back its a good day

i can go back to 1 tricking dva

[inner ember]

Is there any source where people publish their stadium builds, maybe with filters what folks treat as most efficient?

[proven knot]

it sucks now 😦

[ornate hedge]

isnt stopping me from stomping low elo tho

12 streak going strong

[proven knot]

thats fair

i think im gonna replace meka punch with like

idk wide dm or smthn

[ornate hedge]

i cant never get myself to pick any of the matrix powers

[proven knot]

facetanking is good

it lets u feed harder

i hate wide matrix but like

[ornate hedge]

that one i was going a bit

[proven knot]

i dont have other options

[ornate hedge]

i still like it its not 75% dmg boost to melee but the melee attack speed isnt too bad

i feel like im procing gloomgauntlet enough to stack the boost

[proven knot]

idk

might give it a shot again when im better at double melees on pc

[ornate hedge]

double melee?

first im hearing of this

[proven knot]

oh

boosters -> melee -> (usually) 180 -> melee

vs tanks its just melee melee

[forest coral]

throws can i tell you about how my first dva game of the season went

[proven knot]

sure

lets hear it

[forest coral]

first round i got a bug that prevented me from picking anything in armory or seeing any relevant HUDs in general

second round one of our supps dc'd the whole round

[ornate hedge]

ill have to try this ty

[forest coral]

before fourth round one of our dps left and never came back

[proven knot]

its what made meka punch so good

and you clutched and won?

[forest coral]

this was the 4th round in quesiton

[proven knot]

oh i see it

[forest coral]

this was the end of the 7th round

[proven knot]

what powers?

its so hard to do

but dva can

[forest coral]

meka punch -> loadout -> double missiles -> facetanking

[proven knot]

yeah makes sense

[forest coral]

still got mixed feelings on meka punch but the resets are still really nice

[proven knot]

ill give it another shot after practice

double melee isnt even possible on console and thats like half my stadium playtime

[forest coral]

i can see why you use slam sometimes then

compensates for not having the burst from double melee

[proven knot]

eh i still go punch

well did

gloom gauntlet synergy

it was still good even with one punch

[forest coral]

starting a 4v5 from 1-2 and winning the whole thing is still fucking mind boggling to me

esp with what they did to meka

[proven knot]

yeah

last time i did that

i had to use the power that fires missiles when they shoot dm

[forest coral]

and how atrocious freja is to fight that hero has 3 burst mobility cds and enough damage to nuke dva in seconds if she dodges matrix

esp with mercy zen

like i counter that hero and she can STILL do that

genuine atrocity

[proven knot]

yeah i love facetanking for her

otherwise its just

ggs i get nuked

[forest coral]

does facetanking consider the delayed damage

[proven knot]

doubt

[forest coral]

im likewow 30% of matrix'd damage that sounds so good

then remmeber welll actually so much of her damage comes from shit that isnt the bullet itself

she got the thing where after using an ability weapon damage instances do 3% max health and like

well i dont think THAT is factored into my healing

orr the delayed damage orr the discord

thereotically i win that matchup by just running at zen but discord + db freja i die before i even connect with him for more than half a second

[boreal ruin]

my sigma lowkey bullies rein

floating melee power + hypersphere circle is like being sisyphus for rein players

[stark cloud]

Any sigma build?

[hearty lodge]

stadiumbuilds.io

[hearty lodge]

no way! you won 4v5???

dude is just built better! hahaha

[opaque bear]

Does ability power affect zen's discord dmg boost?

[forest coral]

severely doubt it

wp/ap dont affect mercy db

[opaque bear]

Like is 100% AP 50% dmg boost since base is 25%

Oh rip

[forest coral]

wdym oh rip.

that would be the corniest shit in a mode stacked with corny shit

[forest coral]

that's whati 've been saying

me and that genji were a 2 man army

[hearty lodge]

i just finished a 25 win streak with Juno

this game is NOT fair hahahaha

[opaque bear]

I assume it's best to run full WP on zen then

I tried to do an AP build with the DoT and exploding discord but it wasn't that effective

[small mantle]

why overwatch love to make sup do more dmg then a damge hero how dose this make sense ?

[paper snow]

yeah

kiri can 2 tap

has a clone

and does 10x better than cass

[small mantle]

zen
is better hit scan then solider

[paper snow]

yeah

and lets see oh ana negates armor

with anti

and sleep

[small mantle]

mercy on ult can 1v5

[paper snow]

yeah

they need to 1 make dps have better more fun powers

or rework current kits to better reflect OW and its new place

btw

they remove fun cool powers

yet keep aimbot crutch clone

lucio has god teir movement

moira can be invincible and have aimbot

[paper snow]

its just fucked

it boils down to fun vs meta

dps is fun

support is meta

[small mantle]

yeah i came back to overwatch cus i saw hope in stadium
Now it feels worst then normal overwatch for dps players

[paper snow]

yeah

youre forced to build meta

to be real

genji should have a meter for his deflect

cass should have two rolls and a different ult

soujourn needs nerfs

sombra need to just be fun

soldier is fine

a majority of the stadium issue is due to lack of good dps in the mode

[paper snow]

idk

there is hope

tanks had their time

supports

dps will shine hopefully

the team does listen

[small mantle]

just so u know if u go kiriko clone build its a 7v5 game

close is same as person and better he have aim bottttt

[paper snow]

yeah they should remove it within 2 weeks hopefully

hopefully

but at least it is fun

so I cant complain too much

[paper snow]

the building makes it so

fresh

and makes me want to learn more and how to counter

quick play stadium will be the true test

honestly remove the class passives

[molten quartz]

can someone explain how does kiriko teleport to enemies?

[hearty lodge]

there's a power that allows her to teleport anywhere

[grave pasture]

Man every time I see Rein's Smashing power I get sad

Big hammer guy doesn't get to use his hammer

[wheat cloud]

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/7c03ff87-83ac-4c70-8866-38e813133b90 someone good at lucio try this lucio build and farm the zen, i suck at lucio but lmk how it goes

[lunar veldt]

any items to counter junk traps and zen's orb of discord for rein?

can barely even use rein this season

[misty nacelle]

genji main here, does anyone have tips to counter ashes dynamite? it feels like i cant do anything against it

[misty nacelle]

full shields build and this item does nothing

[gaunt tide]

Ashe isn't a good match up for Genji but try to be aggressive and up in her face so that there is less of a chance to be burn(Unless she got the burning coach gun power)

[misty nacelle]

90% of the time she has the burning coach gun ready jsut for me

and the fire ofc

[gaunt tide]

Try the homing shuriken so you can guarantee damage(But I don't use it personally)

[misty nacelle]

I mean yeah that dmgs her but it does nothign

plus by the time I get one hit on her I'm already burning and no matter what I just die

even if I go full shields witht he neg status effect perk

[gaunt tide]

Go with the dragon blade build since that'll do the most damage

[misty nacelle]

I've been using that but its only really good late game

and byu that ashe can fire everyone without a thought

[gaunt tide]

It's worth it though

[misty nacelle]

ig but at that point

its just better not to play genji till they fix aashe

[gaunt tide]

Nah play who you wanna play(Except Freja she can go to hell)

[misty nacelle]

im trying dude

but its just not fair

and blizzard isntead nerfs meele genji for no reason

but ashe and her stupid dynamite is still in the game

soldier autoaim is still there

and now junk

it feels like they want more brainless characters in stadium more than anything

[paper snow]

have you tried Martian mender with reduction field... I am also the genji main and those items are my go to late game

[paper snow]

try cushioned padding and if your still having trouble use divine intervention

if your still having trouble try rustung or conduit...

and if youre still having trouble just fly over the traps and dive zen

[paper snow]

also buy divine intervention if you keep getting one tapped

[echo valley]

They nerfed WP soldier by removing chaingun. Also took away reins shield heals damage blocked. Which wasn’t broken in any way.

[misty nacelle]

chaingun was the weakes part of the soldier autoaim

[echo valley]

Exactly

Well aside from when he ults

But most ammo you could ever get on soldier was like 120

[gaunt tide]

leaving the shadow clone build untouched is so dumb because no one likes playing against it but blizzard can’t nerf their cash cow

[misty nacelle]

Oh i thought you meant it as in “hes already nerfed”

[misty nacelle]

Legit

Stadium nerfs feel pretty weird

Why is lucio the msot nerfed character

[echo valley]

Dying to an npc is the most annoying thing

[misty nacelle]

Why

[gaunt tide]

Nerfing D.va (Worst stadium tank btw) hurts

[misty nacelle]

At this point I’d rather just not play dps

[echo valley]

Her nerf isn’t noticeable

[misty nacelle]

They are actively promoting the most brainless builds ever and they add junkrst too lol

[echo valley]

But i dont make an AP build

[echo valley]

Torpedo build still being meta paired with either orb or Mercy is annoying

[gaunt tide]

Hiroshima is the type of build that is fun until you’re playing against it tho

[echo valley]

Is it constant nukes?

[gaunt tide]

No the mega nuke

[echo valley]

Oh

I went against one the other day

i just mowed their team with wp

[misty nacelle]

See i dont mind dva

[echo valley]

Straight shotgunning the whole match

[misty nacelle]

Cause it breaks the monotony of poke poke poke

[gaunt tide]

Is it just me or you can get like no cash even tho you’re doing a lot

[echo valley]

Best part of dva is sending a bomb into their spawn as overtime starts

[echo valley]

They need to nerf healing cash flow

[misty nacelle]

Depends on the character

[echo valley]

Mercy getting more money than a lucio because she healed 1k more and got 5 assists to his 12 assists and 1k dmg/2k heals

[gaunt tide]

Yeah Mercy and Moira almost always get mvp

But nevertheless what would you say is the most fun stadium hero

[echo valley]

The rare exceptions are when you have a cass jq orisa dva and rein when they do extremely high damage numbers

[gaunt tide]

I’ll never how much cash rein could have gotten before they nerf how much he could get

[echo valley]

Most fun is attack speed cass, it makes mercy juno comps suffer

[gaunt tide]

Support soldier and Death garden are my favorite

[echo valley]

Soldier with death heals is fun

[gaunt tide]

Death heals?

[echo valley]

Vampire mei is also broken, she needs to get nerfed

[gaunt tide]

Oh damage field

[echo valley]

Run into the enemy lines and just do constant damage

With your heals

[gaunt tide]

Genji can’t do anything against that if you get the power where the field moves with you

[grave pasture]

God I hate trying to kill a mercy who's tankier than the tank and seems to get revives off from the other side of the map around 5 corners

[echo valley]

Attack speed cass

You can spam her

[grave pasture]

I actively avoid playing Cass because he's way too strong

[echo valley]

And the new purple that does damage over time to airborne

[gaunt tide]

Have you ever done something random while playing a hero?

[echo valley]

That one isnt op

I call it right hand randy

M1 the whole game

[grave pasture]

If I can play a build with the monitor off I've lost interest

[echo valley]

Crits decrease roll by 2secs
Deadeye gives 15%
Roll drops flash
Flash gives 15%
Do nothing but attack speed

[gaunt tide]

Is it just me or junk rat isn’t good if you invest in anything but weapon power or attack speed

[echo valley]

Junk shouldn’t be good

His powers are mediocre like frejas

The difference, freja has to somewhat aim

[gaunt tide]

I play him more like a disruptive character in stadium

That’s better than just one tapping people

[echo valley]

I know that since rat got released, jq and genji have played less

[gaunt tide]

I got smoked on my first and only Jq game this season

[echo valley]

I was losing at first and my team said i was throwing

[gaunt tide]

Was zen also in that game?

[echo valley]

Mind you it was orisa, rat, ashe, zen, moira

All 5 of her counters

[gaunt tide]

How unlucky can you be to get that team comp?

[echo valley]

I won

But i am not playing jq again

[gaunt tide]

The odds we’re against you but still won🥇

[echo valley]

Yes a 4-3 comeback win

[gaunt tide]

The best kind of wins

[echo valley]

It was suffering

[gaunt tide]

Now that I’m thinking about it is jq really that good in stadium?

[echo valley]

She got hit with a nerf

So no

[gaunt tide]

They gutted her shout reset

[echo valley]

LGW is like lets go soon

[gaunt tide]

I’m wondering why they didn’t do the same to reaper elimination reset?

[echo valley]

Not many complaints

Plus his resets wraith and step

It doesn’t give speed and hp plus overhealth

[gaunt tide]

Fair enough

[echo valley]

Another thing is jq has enough abilities that can reset or reduce themselves

Giving her entire kit that ability would maje her the best character in the game by far

[neon galleon]

I remember playing Ashe once and the Genji would use deflect to get as close to my face as possible and then one shot me with the spread shurikens, I couldn’t think of anything to do against it by myself so that might help

[misty nacelle]

You would still just couch gun into dynamite

[errant scarab]

oh boy new reasons for ppl to throw games

picking the dumb example builds instead of what actually works

cough biotic field

[paper snow]

biotic field is good.. you just cant aim so you need aimbot

[neon galleon]

Problem: deflect is still up as he gets in your face, so attempting to coach gun him is just gonna send all of it back into your face

[wheat cloud]

Can someone help me make the best Lucio build for killing a dquishy, usually zen as fast as possible?

Wanna have like an insane fast rollout kill said zen and spawn camp them

https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/7c03ff87-83ac-4c70-8866-38e813133b90 this is what I have so far but my mechanics are cheeks and I die rlly quick, was wondering if anyone had a way to help

[verbal lake]

stadium match that lasted NINE rounds cause both mercies kept crashing the server.

[wheat cloud]

lol

[verbal lake]

the game can't handle two cuthulu monsters

[echo valley]

Max wp

Or hit your shots and run the boop build

[echo valley]

How

[verbal lake]

Both mercies (me and the other mercy), had Cresps. circle and ulted at the same time. The many tendrils crashed the server twice

[echo valley]

Ok

Is this bannable if done intentionally

[unkempt finch]

I hate the fact that everyone has to start from lobster low again

[proven condor]

leave it to blizz to ruin the mode by resetting ranks

[reef lichen]

is this build good or bad

[hearty lodge]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/patch-notes/

kiri clone hotfix

[grave pasture]

Still gonna be annoying as hell but at least they nerfed it

[verbal lake]

Not really? We didn’t know that it’d cause that and at first both teams were confused. Second time it happened we basically got confirmation it was the mercy ults.

It’s not like we intentionally sabotaged the game

[distant owl]

anyone got a junkrat build to spare ✌️

[echo valley]

Oh no

I have plans

[verbal lake]

??😭😭

[echo valley]

Bad

Typically you move out of dvas wayw hen she moves to you

[muted light]

i just tried sig and he feels pretty meh

[reef lichen]

what should i do to make it good

[wheat cloud]

any other option?

[echo valley]

Boop build

[echo valley]

Dont use ap

[reef lichen]

so just use weapon power stuff?

[wheat cloud]

ok cool

[echo valley]

Yes

Do shotgun and then big matrix

[hybrid gust]

anyone got a fun cass build?

[vague surge]

where can people share stadium bulids?

[reef lichen]

ok

[echo valley]

@vague surge @hybrid gust

[echo valley]

I do

[polar bramble]

nerf Juno

[echo valley]

Yes

[polar bramble]

I’m so confused as to why junkrat has ZERO projectile speed buff abilities

in stadium

I just had to go through a dps kiri and a dps Juno with broken builds

[acoustic kiln]

put all of my effort into keeping my team alive and we lose in 7

sigh

[reef axle]

anyone know the secrets to dealing with Zarya and Reinhardt as Sigma or is this just another DVA situation where he has auto lose tank matchups in Stadium

love Sigma and he's my favourite tank in regular Overwatch but finding him a lot harder in a locked hero mode like Stadium compared to Rein

I know there's certainly gotta be something I missed for builds that helps with them significantly but so far it's been tough for me, even the anti-beam kinetic grasp for the zarya matchup doesn't feel nearly as useful

[hearty lodge]

he has Zip Grease, a 10.000 epic weapon item

increases proyectile speed by 200% after detonating a concussion mine

[hearty lodge]

the melee power

[misty nacelle]

ok im sorry

who thought junkrat would be healthy for this mode

if he tires during last point clash half my team just give up

[echo valley]

Dva doesn’t auto lose

[echo valley]

I hate that he was added

[misty nacelle]

I'm trying to think of one good thing the new season brought

[echo valley]

Because if you run any tank not named dva or sigma, he make syour job harder

[misty nacelle]

cause honestly I coudlnt tell you

[misty nacelle]

dude not even that

[echo valley]

Sombra and Genji skins

[misty nacelle]

you just cant walk

[misty nacelle]

for stadium I meant lmao but ye gengi skin is goat

[echo valley]

Nothing good for stadium

Soldier lost chaingun, rein lost healing shield

Jq got gutted

And they added jqs hard counters

[misty nacelle]

they just dont think about the characters they add

first it was stadium launching with all hitscans

[echo valley]

They were better off adding sombra instead of junkrat

[misty nacelle]

now junk here to ruin it all

I hate sombra but honestly

sure

[echo valley]

She doesn’t counter anyone in the lineup

[misty nacelle]

she counters my mental health

[echo valley]

Maybe cancels sigmas grasp but in stadium she kinda would be a meh type character

[misty nacelle]

specifically cause I can understand her when she mocks you

[misty nacelle]

even that is WAY better than

oh no theres a junk

i guess we just cant walk

we gotta go to our spawn and just pray he gets bored and dcs

[echo valley]

Every match i play cass just to shoot that bomb throwing rat

Not even to fan hammer

[misty nacelle]

and that nice

cause cass and soldier sure they can do smt

BUT I JUST WANNA PLAY MEELE GNEJI PLZZ

WHY DO YOU HATE ME BLIZZARD

[echo valley]

I haven’t fanned to kill anyone in maybe a month

[echo valley]

You think you’re an anime protagonist meleeing from behind?

[misty nacelle]

fan was still good last time I played

[misty nacelle]

yes

at it worked

now it doesnt

and stadium sounded so good

cause I always think gneji should be meele

and there was a build for that in staidum

but now

fucking junkrat

[echo valley]

Tho junkrat players are becoming less

So hopefully his hype dies down much like freja

Also freja is fun in stadium

Being a gunship in the sky is funny

Attack speed and firing slows fall

[misty nacelle]

god hear you

I'm just tired of this mode

I just want the mercy skin

[echo valley]

Mercy main?

[misty nacelle]

why do they lock the hot characters behind this

[echo valley]

I revoke everything i said

[misty nacelle]

kinda

I only play her cause shes hot

[echo valley]

(Why i play sombra)

[misty nacelle]

I dont share but I understand

[misty nacelle]

thats ti

I'm playing qp until they fix this mode

[paper snow]

what's broken

sounds like you dont know how to build survival

[misty nacelle]

buying every item to work with the neg effects item is not building survival?

then tell me dude

cause I dont get it then

[paper snow]

you need 2 survival items max

dmg over time buy martian mender

oneshots divine intervention

[misty nacelle]

I wish you only needed two

[paper snow]

reductions should always be in your base kit

if you dont run lifesteal or armor early game youre throwing

[paper snow]

IM giving you the items to counter

youre just not listening

[misty nacelle]

I am

[paper snow]

by round 4 - 5

[misty nacelle]

I have used them

not working

[paper snow]

then you play bad

[misty nacelle]

and plus I just cant keep up with any dmg

ok dude

thanks for the help then

[paper snow]

weapon pwr past 25% is useless on dps

[paper snow]

15% by round 3

25% max is all you need

[distant owl]

Anyone got a zen build?

[vapid stone]

15 mins

stadium queue in LOW RANKS

WHAT THE HELL

dps, 2 mins, tank, 2 mins

support, 11 MINS

what is GOING ON

[hearty lodge]

what do you play on stadium that's working so badly?

[misty nacelle]

genji

[hearty lodge]

melee, shuriken or %AP dash

[north tendon]

What's like the meta setup as of rn for kiri?

[misty nacelle]

its not that idk what to buidl on him

its that I cant do anything against ashe

[hearty lodge]

👀

you should be farming Ashes and Anas

that's weird

[misty nacelle]

yeah but ashe always saves her coach gun and dynamite for me

anas yeah

I can handle them

[paper snow]

do you want my build

Im a genji main too

I have a lifesteals ap survival build

it has items for counters in the flex

[misty nacelle]

I'm good

[paper snow]

wow

seems to me youre just unable to adapt

like you we give you tips

[misty nacelle]

I am listening

let me lsiten to waht I want

thank you

[paper snow]

so

[paper snow]

youre choosing to not listen to good advice on items that can help

[misty nacelle]

.

[paper snow]

its not like these wont help

I think youre mentality is just toxic

and you need to take a break from OW for like a day

idk bro... I am giving you items

useful items that have won my team games

things that actually help and you just dont care

idk bro

cant help the victims who want to be victims

[misty nacelle]

Please respect my wishes to not want to hear your build

thank you

its not that hard 🙂

[paper snow]

👍

[hearty lodge]

everyone's entitled to their own opinion. they heard yours and decided otherwise. it's fine, it's not like it's gonna affect you anyways, but pls dont call people toxic like that

[paper snow]

I called the mentality toxic not them

[vapid stone]

is there like a bug making support queue times so long???

or is it just lack of overall players on pc?

[echo valley]

I honestly think ive made a better lucio build

Won a 4v5 down 1 player for 5 rounds

[vapid stone]

if you can get to round 3 with enough cash, mark of the kitsune, three-tap tommygun, double boop feels really good

[echo valley]

Nah

[vapid stone]

you still do good healing with crowd pleaser round 1, and you win a lot more duels

round 5 you go wall boop and basically stick to healing, then kinda randomly screw off to go get a pick on a key target when everyone's distracted

[misty nacelle]

I do wanna hear yours if you have one

[echo valley]

The build was crowd pleaser or vivace

[echo valley]

Nope

[hearty lodge]

i can't help you with Genji specifically. But i've reached Legend on Support and All-Stars in the other two roles. What other heros do you play?

[echo valley]

I have yet to see a single wall boop lucio win against me

I run AP

Crowd Pleaser, Vivace, Reverb, Beat Drop

Since vivace didn’t get nerfed, its very pressuring to people who cant track a mach 5 character

And to add more pain to it just movement and weapon speed or ap

[misty nacelle]

mercy and zen for support. I reached all star last season but idk why this season feels impossible rn

[hearty lodge]

Last season you were being paired with anyone. Now the game recognizes your rank and is pairing you with All-Stars from the previous season. It's a flawed model that's making it harder for everyone to get back to their previous rank thanks to having to play on high skill lobbies at rookie/novice.
I'm playing against Legend players every single game while on Contender or Elite as i'm grinding ladder because i was Legend last season. Many players are complaining about it.

[misty nacelle]

huh I didnt know that

wtf why

[hearty lodge]

You won't be able to fully carry with Mercy but a good Mercy (someone who can heal the correct person at a time, who has good mobility and doesn't die, and who can pull off ressurects often) can definetly make a huge impact in a match. You'll have to look for a duo to pair though.

Zen is a new case so i can't tell you exactly how his best playstyle works. Every Zen i encounter is in the bottom of the food chain for me to eat. And his powers either try to do the same thing twice or try to patch his many weaknesses from base character design (like movement, survivability or range)

[misty nacelle]

yeah thats why I'm trying dps rn, my duo isnt on and between long queue times and gambling on teammates its not worth it. But I am good at mercy and know how to get value out of her

[misty nacelle]

I've been focusing on just discord and staying with my team

even if its another support most divers have a hard time

which I think its inpart cause dive is not that good in stadium

[hearty lodge]

dive is meta

i'm on a 27 win streak with Juno DPS

haven't lost yet, i'm just lazy to keep playing today

[misty nacelle]

I feel like poke is meta

last season and this one

dva reaper and genji were secret easter egg characters

[neon galleon]

Dive is pretty dang strong in Stadium, especially if the enemy team has someone that really stinks at dealing with dive that you can use to basically start a chain reaction on to quickly tear the team apart. Had a game a bit ago where I was able to tear an entire team apart as Reaper by using their weaker members to start the chain so to speak

[hearty lodge]

precisely

[misty nacelle]

see I get that experience only against really weak teams

like I know what you mean and yeah thats how you're supposed to play dive

but idk

[hearty lodge]

@misty nacelle You play support, so maybe this can interest you? (Sorry if it sounds like self advertisement, it's a build i know works and im trying to help)
https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/legend_juno_dps_blink_boosts_by_reymercury

[neon galleon]

Dva is more than likely the weakest diver in Stadium due to….her own bag of issues in the mode but Reaper feels more…unstable? Like if the enemy team starts catching on to it Reaper can start to lose more effectiveness than say Genji or especially Juno

[misty nacelle]

thank you! I'm tired so I'll read it later

i hope they just nerf ashe already tho

that fire is a little more weak and I can do everyting with genji

[worldly mason]

ashe is so broken its funny

[proven knot]

Reaper feels surprisingly good at diving in stadium. I was getting beat up by him the other day as Zen

Faster tp so I couldn’t charge volley on him for tping behind me and used wraith to cleanse discord

[crystal light]

guys, how to counter dps kiriko?

[frozen ginkgo]

@fleet trellis

[neon galleon]

He does, as a Reaper main I’m not arguing that. But it has felt like in past games that his effectiveness starts to fall off faster the more the enemy team is coordinating against you to protect their weakest link than Genji or Juno does

[proven knot]

oh ofc

[left flint]

I'm not feeling the changes to Reins overall set

Charge Reins aren't necessarily more favorable than shield reins...and his new set makes him fodder to Orisa, Rein, and Zarya...

Pulling like 25k overall dmg mit with Rein, like I usually do, makes this new set look like they intended to nerf rein whether they specified it or not.

[primal shoal]

how much stadium points do you need to reach all star

[neon galleon]

Though I will admit, when you find that perfect moment to just rush into a do or die situation, killing one enemy, then using your refreshed Wraith to save you from an attack and get some health back, immediately killing someone else and then in a desperate play to kill 2 people at once to get the odds evened out you unleash your unboosted ult, by sheer chance turning their own knock back against them as it leaves them unable to kill you in time before your ult takes what little hp they had left, and as it’s just down to a 1v1 your team finally catches up to you in order to secure the point. Oh god moments like those remind me why I love playing Reaper so damn much.

[fallow socket]

Its very hard, imo the strongest support build rn since juno pulsars was slightly nerfed (idk if zen shakes up the top rankings or not).

The clone has perfect aim, but it only attacks if all of its teammates are full health. This means you can play more aggro and in LOS of the other 4 enemies and the clone is more likely to heal them, or you need to shoot kiriko herself so the clone heals her. She’s very slippery which makes the second option difficult. Some example powers/abilities that have always helped me are soldier helix, ashe coachgun+burn, moira multiball / chain grasp, lucio boop. None of these are true counters, but they are easy to land on a slippery kiriko and will change the focus of the clone. Main point is you need to turn around and get a good chunk of damage on her quickly otherwise the clone and her will make quick work of your backline, you don’t need to kill her just force her away.

But good kirikos know this and they will pick up an item called “goddess aura” which gives her 100 overhealth on tp, making it extremely hard to change the clone’s focus. So really its pretty much uncounterable and you have to bank on things like the clone healing her other teammates, or kiriko being overly greedy in your backline, or your team being well coordinated with several people turning to help.

[primal shoal]

9 game winstreak with this

all of them where absolute stomps

[crystal light]

Thanks for the detailed response, as a supp I feel kinda helpless against her. And can only hope for a really strong carry. Honestly kinda turns me off of stadium when a build gets too oppressive. I will try these suggestions. Thanks again

[fallow socket]

Also i was just browsing stadiumbuilds and saw a note on a build that kiriko clone was hotfixrd or changed? i will look into it right now

oh yeah there it is most recent change halving the duration of the clone

[crystal light]

Duration halved. Still manage to obliterate my team lol

[fallow socket]

Damn lol

[primal shoal]

is all-star the equivelant to plat in normal ranked?

[fallow socket]

Around plat diamond imo

But gold and silver nooblets can definitely get into all star pretty easily

[spice notch]

def not easily, they need to grind plenty and during off hours. I'm Masters-GM and I been all-star. Peak hours is tryhard time

I don't care to grind enough tho

[primal shoal]

im diamond 4 btw

did i mention i was diamond 4 on support

[neon galleon]

If you’re a character who gets rewards on eliminations though it can be better to gun for the clone first as it counts towards them. For example JQ will get her shout cooldown reduced if she kills the clone, Reaper will get all of his cooldowns reset, Cass can use the clone to build up his ammo, etc.

[proven knot]

there is no counter to it. the best you can do is not isolate vs her so she cant get an easy pick on you

[neon galleon]

I mean you can force the clone to stop attacking by damaging Kiri herself and if you’re a character that gets extra benefits from getting eliminations you can make the clone backfire on Kiri by using it to fuel those rewards since killing the clone counts as an elimination

[proven knot]

gl still gotta win a 1v1 vs kiriko while she's getting healed

a character who is insane at dueling

[errant scarab]

does weapon power increase quick meele

dmgh

[neon galleon]

Yes but not for everyone, if I remember correctly Dva mech and JQ are exceptions

[errant scarab]

so no for dva mech?

i see for zenyatta weapon damage specifies "snap kick"

but i dont see it for any other character's quick meele

ik attack speed increases quick meele

[warm flint]

stadium is suddenly completely unplayable for me. the FPS it gives me is unlike any other game. what is even going on? my drivers are up to date and my specs are fine. i was able to run the mode without issues last season

i've even lowered my graphic settings to absolute hell and it did not help whatsoever

[proven knot]

it buffs melee damage for most chars

@forest coral yo since they nerfed meka punch

i wonder if weapon damage buffs dva melee now

you tested that at all?

Because I'm p sure it didn't before because of meka punch's damage

[forest coral]

it does

[proven knot]

Oh

[forest coral]

dva melee scales with more wp and attack speed

[proven knot]

So that got changed

[forest coral]

lwokey first thing i tested

[proven knot]

interesting

Ok

so meka punch might not be dead

[forest coral]

was like just how fast can i make meka punch with max atk speed

[forest coral]

im 3-0 this season starting meka punch

[proven knot]

Whats your build? just powers

[forest coral]

my soldier left before this round started btw

[proven knot]

yeah i think you mentioned

[forest coral]

and never came back

yeah

i genuinely won a nearly full game 4v5

1-2 to 4-3 as a 4v5 with new meka punch

[forest coral]

i didnt change my build at all honestly

the link i sent before still applies

[proven knot]

so what were the powers again

[forest coral]

besides that i use loadout before double missiles now

[proven knot]

i can figure out the items

ah

ok i remember

[forest coral]

meka loadout double missile then some kind of matrix flex

[proven knot]

leg loadout then missiles

[acoustic kiln]

remember guys

[forest coral]

yeah you said it was really good

[acoustic kiln]

always build survival

sometimes

[forest coral]

and i lowkey do fw it

[proven knot]

yeah its great

[forest coral]

most of the time phantasmic flux is the only survival u need

[proven knot]

ok but if meka punch scales with weapon power now

i actually naturally build weapon power so

[forest coral]

do some testing on ur own but im pretty sure i was 3 shotting the practice range bots with melees

with some wp invest

[proven knot]

yeah i will

[forest coral]

wait does that mean this the argument that meka punch got net buffed actually has some solid points

[proven knot]

oh?

[forest coral]

supposedly getting booster reset is more consistent since you dont NEED to hit the melee

to get the reset

[proven knot]

Yeah that's true

[forest coral]

u can get 3-5 melees in a row before atk speed goes back to normal

which is 75-125 healing from the 1500 common item

and it now scales with wp and atk speed so its value scales past just gloomgauntlet

[proven knot]

Oh one problem tho

[forest coral]

there's a reasonable argument that meka punch is around the same powerful or stronger

[proven knot]

the nerf def did kinda kill meka punch with ground pound

[forest coral]

do i believe it's true i dont think so

but i think there's at least a valid argument now

it's hard to argue against the sheer burst of old meka punch esp with gloomgauntlet

actually i should test if new meka punch works with weapon lifesteal

i'd assume so

[acoustic kiln]

i ran the sigma healing shield with the mini shield that floats around him

worked great we won in 3

[forest coral]

damn

[proven knot]

Has lifesteal felt relevant in your experience?

[forest coral]

havent played sig yet was thinking about the heal build when i first looked at him but i was thinking you just get run down by queen and rein anyways

[acoustic kiln]

yeah it depends on who you're against

[forest coral]

do u consider this a lot of healing

i mean probably not

[proven knot]

yeah id say thats decent

but in the moment

idk

[forest coral]

since it's from gloomgauntlet phantasmic flux and facetanking

from that many sources i would probably expect a bit more healing but also

[proven knot]

facetanking is such a good power

[forest coral]

it's freja

so facetanking probably wasnt getting the value it normally would

[forest coral]

im starting to lean towards it as my round 7 flex power

[proven knot]

I love it round 3

It lets me use my comp playstyle on Dva more

[forest coral]

usually i'd get the power that regens ur matrix during booster but it's rare that im out of matrix when i need it

[proven knot]

Yeah that power is prob good but I don't use it because I'm just too used to how matrix functions as is

[forest coral]

bigger matrix is nice sometimes but facetanking can help a lot with just how much better other heroes scale in round 7 than dva does

every single dva game i've played i've been maxed out round 5 or 6

already have all 6 purples i want

and it's like i COULD spend the extra money on the 14000 items

but i think i just value phantasmic flux mark of kitsune etc. more

[proven knot]

yeah makes sense

I really like the extra damage items

Like 3 tap tommygun

[forest coral]

which means that there are 1-2 rounds where i virtually dont scale at all

while the entire rest of the lobby is scaling pretty damn hard

and i think facetanking is the best countermeasure to that

[proven knot]

probably

I just value it for how it allows me to play way more isolated

[forest coral]

i need to consider that more

you basically just get to chop off 10% of someone's health for free

[proven knot]

yup

more or less guarantees kills when you booster in on someone with melee

[forest coral]

i use it on my genji build

on genji i go phantasmic -> mark of kitsune -> hardlight accelerator -> three tap tommy -> superflexor

hardlight and superflexor are items that are just

when you use an ability ur wp goes up and when you do weapon damage your ability power goes up

[proven knot]

man

[forest coral]

the build basically focuses on

[proven knot]

i just googled it

then you told me what it was

[forest coral]

try to do as much as i can in the first dash fan

i think it's just a better version of the melee build bc it's building wp and ap

things that blade uses anyways

[proven knot]

oh ya i assume you use extended boosters for melee on dva?

[forest coral]

umm

i tried it for a while at first

but it also fucked up my muscle memory so i stopped using it

[proven knot]

makes sense

[forest coral]

it made the second punch slightly more consistent but i figured it wasnt worth it

but when they changed meka punch i started experimenting with it again

[proven knot]

Yeah muscle memory is why I can't use some of her powers

[forest coral]

i think if i have specifically 4k leftover

i prefer that to the other 4ks now

the 5% weapon power but increasing attack speed after shooting armor is nice but niche

okay i say it's niche but queen is the only tank that wont have something that procs that

[proven knot]

not rly a fan of the "shoot the tank" items

[forest coral]

i need i dont mind them

if a rein overextends and i have his team zoned

it just bursts him down faster

he cant shield me and my team at the same time

[proven knot]

yeah makes sense

[forest coral]

and stadium tank players are generally really stupid

[proven knot]

Oh ya also

[forest coral]

so i get value out of it quite often

[proven knot]

How's zen vs dva rn?

[forest coral]

honestly

most trouble i've had have been with my own zens

like seriously we're almost 2 minutes into the round and you have 500 healing

just put the orb on the genji man

[proven knot]

lmao that was me

i ended a round with 300 healing

it was BAD

[forest coral]

if my genji is orbed

then theoretically i get more resources from my other support

and have to deal with less resources from the enemy team since my genji has more uptime

but zen players are little fucking freaks

so it usually just feels like im getting solo healed

[proven knot]

they forget to apply harmony constantly

its so stupid

[forest coral]

honestly if i play zen i want to do the build where u get self harmony orb and 2 other harmony orbs

[hearty lodge]

Haha niceee!!!

[forest coral]

then get the shit where orb applies damage reduction and heals people based on your damage

that sounds kinda cool

[proven knot]

Good idea

I'll have to try it

[forest coral]

like i feel like zen can actually heal tank like that

[proven knot]

Kinda been looking for a zen build I like

[forest coral]

i think i've only played against zen once or twice

discord can be really rough

but he's theoretically your easiest dive target no ?

[proven knot]

Ur def gonna need the heals on damage thing for it. the 2 zen orbs thing actually does like

no healing

[forest coral]

it entirely depends on how well you stage

but if you catch that zen

u get a booster reset with literally resistance and can snowball

[proven knot]

In theory. I haven't tried it yet but some of my friends on Dva have really struggled

[forest coral]

dva can already struggle a lot with high damage comps

[proven knot]

Basically just Zen being able to build more survivability

and discord doing a ton of damage

[forest coral]

taking space without using all your matrix

[hearty lodge]

I love how ever Juno ive ever faced runs torpedo builds hahaha they are throwingggg

[forest coral]

trying to stage a dive without getting forced out