stadium-discussion

[ember kettle]

No wonder DPS has lowest queue times.
No one wants to play DPS because the role is garbag.e

Heals and Tank have complete control of the game and it doesnt fucking matter what you do when a tank does 3x more damage than you easily while not dying

Bro another game where my healers are getting out healed by the enemies WHILE also having 200 damage to their 2000-3000 damage

WHY ARE MY HEALERS ALLERGIC TO ATTACKING THE ENEMIES

YOU ARE A SUPPORT. NOT A HEAL BOT. IF YOU DPSED MORE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HEAL LESS.

AND NOW THE ANA RAGE QUITS

We are legit losing this game because our healers refuse to attack anything

Im legit about to just alt f4. Fuck this game

And go figure one of them is a mercy

Useless ass cunt

Im never hitting elite on DPS

No one knows how to tank or heal properly

Yes mercy you are so helpful flying around heal botting and reving.
You wouldnt have to be doing that if you actually pulled your pistol out and helped kill things you dumb cunt

meanwhile every game on the enemy team is juno + kiri/moira and and they do way more healing, way more damage, way better ults, actual helpful to the team

[queen hinge]

[ember kettle]

BRO WHAT EVEN IS OUR ZARYA BUIDLDING?!?!?!

IM about to uninstlal

Theres no way im in contender on dps and getting team mates, that calling them a bot would be a compliment

Some how the only time d.va does good is when shes on the enemy team and goes full tank and cant die.
Just like I been saying is the only way to play dva in stadium

On my team though? NAH GOTTA GO FULL ATTACK POWER AND GET 2 SHOT BY EVERYTHING

[verbal lake]

Is reaper any good in this mode? I see people saying he’s doodoo

[maiden scarab]

Ayo why is my support stadium queue at 20 minutes but comp its like 4 minutes or so? I thought this was a popula mode

[cursive nymph]

Reaper is strong

Better than Mei

Maybe genji

Maybe soldier

[ember kettle]

Another another with 3000 healing 200 damage, and the scoped auto aim

BRO STOP

PLAYING

[cursive nymph]

Cass is definitely the best dps atm

[ember kettle]

ANA

You are playing her fucking WRONG

THAT FUCKING AUTO AIM POWER IS BAIT .ITS GARBAGE. YOU SHOULDNT EVEN BE SCOPED IN HEALING ITS TOO FUCKING SLOW

this ana is losinng us the game

SHES GOING AOE SLEEP DART WITH WEAPON POWER?!?!?!? BRO. NOOOOO.

YOUR DART IS AP

I love getting hit with an auto aim unmissable soldier rocket that does 600 damage

4 game lose streak of donkey for brain team mates that dont know how to play the game.

I no longer have any faith in any of these cunts that I get as teammates. They are all the most bottom of the barrel garbage filth that should uninstall and go back to roblox.

HOW DO YOU MISS A POINT BLANK FAN THE HAMMER

WHILE THEY ARE HINDERED

MY NEPHEW PLAYS BETTER THAN THIS AND HES 5

@hearty lodge I removed the mark of kitsune in the build

since I play more blast burst

Dynamite burst into a coach gun or a double coach gun just deletes people without needing to use mark of kitsune

[proven knot]

contender is like silver dude

[ember kettle]

Contender is the gold ranks

[proven knot]

close enough

what are you expecting here

[ember kettle]

People with brains that know how t play the game But I doubt its even contenders on my team

[proven knot]

do you get that in gold?

personally I don't even get it in masters

[ember kettle]

You should. Its gold

[verbal lake]

What’s his best builds

[ember kettle]

Yeah. No. This ashe build is just gross. You get a round 2 or 3 champion kit and infared for round 4. You sell infared and everything but champions kit on round 5 to get bob jr catalyetic charger and silver lighter. Then with what ever left over you just get back nano cola and as much ap as possible.

Your dynamite coach combo just absolute deletes

Your burning hurts if it doesnt.

Legit dont even need mark of kitsune

[cursive nymph]

Make it on the stadiumbuilds website! I'd love to try it out

[coral marsh]

does weapon damage also increase mercys damage boost?

[verbal lake]

Nope, it does increase her healing though

If you want to increase damage boost there’s an epic item in the i think weapon or survival section

Also gives you armor + Ult charge from damage boost

[coral marsh]

thanks!

[verbal lake]

Np

[ember kettle]

Would love to but I suck with the per round "you should buy this". I just know rough estimates of which rounds I try to get things, and sometimes games dont go how you need for the money

All I know is round 3-4 you should have 23,500 minimum for Champion Kit + Infrared
Round 5 you sell Infrared and buy Catalytic Charger and Silver Lighter because thats when you get Bob Jr. The spare money you have left over can go into nano cola / energized bracers etc. Liquid Nitrogen is something I been getting because as long as they are on fire, they are permanently slowed by 20% since the burn keeps reapplying the dot.

One would think "why not get the bonus dynamite explosion range" and I argue. Its not needed if you aim the dynamite properly.

My entire gameplan for most of the game is to throw it, predetonate it mid air to explode the enemies, and press coach gun for the instant burst. You would be surprised how many times I just delete healers and dps behind their tanks with it. God forbid I get a flank off.

And with the incen blast and all the burning you are putting out with bob jr + silver lighter + cata charger, you basically get ult in 10 seconds of a team fight.

So you get insane burst potential, and even without the burst the constant AOE burns is just a consistent damage they have to deal with while getting bob insanely fast

Sorry I suck at explaining things. @cursive nymph

because originally I was trying to find an ashe build.
I didnt like incen rounds, it was too slow on the TTK and inconsistent if you missed a single shot, and even then it was too single target focused.
I didn't like dynamite focused (molten munitions + out with a bang) builds because it was too easy to just. Not stand near dynamites and such and get absolutely no value.
So I went into the kitchen based on the build Rey uses on Juno, looked at ashes perks and saw incen blast, calamity, double coach charges, etc. And realized. "huh. Hold up. Wait a minute. What if I do Mark of Kitsune Ashe..."
Worked out exceptionally well. But we learned the burns dont stack and I like Incen Blast more than Calamity. So its kinda the same build with 1-2 alterations.

While Calamity is still going heavy AP and burning. Its more single target focused in using coach gun primarily to more mobile and enable Mark of Kitsune as an aggressive Sniper.
Incen Blast is playing very consistant and bursty AoE burning damage.
Both are strong, both still use the same powers on round 3/5/7.
Round 1 - Incen Blast / Calamity
Round 3 - Double Coach Gun
Round 5 - Bob Jr
Round 7 - Partners in Crime

[proper skiff]

too much yap

[low parrot]

Stadium question, what's better, onslaught ordinance (quantity and duration of micro missiles increased), or macro missile (damage buff).

To sum up my stadium build, I spam micro missiles via mastermind mitigator (every 200 DMG eaten 1s off MM cooldown). I also get the matrix heal and matrix ultra wide powers for sustainability and maximum eat for the MM spam

[ember kettle]

Its a competitive gaming channel and build is being disgused. Take that ugly word someone else or contribute to the conversation.

[ember kettle]

That is a math question that I wouldnt know. You gotta figure out how much damage each missle is hitting for to realistically find which is better

Logically. The more damage it does out right would be better in most cases.

[low parrot]

K thx

[ember kettle]

Why kill in 10 missles if you can kill in 5 kinda question.

[rustic shadow]

Really hoping something changes with Cassidy Fan build

[proper skiff]

nothing is competitive about overwatch in its current state but sure, keep doing what you love

[covert axle]

is stadium gonna be an esport/does it already have player made events? wondering if it is worth grinding

[flat elm]

tbf i dont think mei does much against ori

her dps output just isnt enough to melt through bc she has waaaaay too much sustain

[acoustic kiln]

its best to just ignore orisa and kill the supports

[hearty lodge]

thats 3 cooldowns that you must hit... but ok

[flat elm]

ya though it can be hard to ignore an orisa in stadium depending on your comp

[low parrot]

Does Juno heal increase with her weapon damage increase

[flat elm]

WP increases gun heal and dmg ya

[low parrot]

Does Juno for the W

[acoustic kiln]

yeah

Although it’s better to build AP and get mark of the kitsune

than to actually spec into weapon power

unless you’re confident you can hit mediblaster headshots

[neon galleon]

I feel like a lot of Cass’s and Soldier’s overpoweredness can get solved by lowering the scaling they have with weapon power

[acoustic kiln]

I think they gotta remove the perk that gives Cass a free 25% damage buff on his first shot

well not remove but tone it down

with all the weapon buff powers you can get it’s actually ludicrous

[ember kettle]

2. Dyna and gun. Bothh of which are hard to miss playing this eway

[hearty lodge]

you said 2 coach guns, i got confused, mb

[ember kettle]

Was saying its an option. I just use the one and save let the burn and some gun shots finish them if the burst didnt

Its an option though

Th. Hardest thing to do if you arent use to it is to hit the dynamite ro explode early so theybdont get a chance to run away

[ember kettle]

Weapon increases gun heal. Ability increases torpedo heal.

Please for the love of everything. Dont go weapon

You can use 3 shot tommy and mark of kitsune to buff your gun with the ap you are building

[ember kettle]

You and this mentality is part of the problem.

Its got a competive ranked mode and rewards. Its a competitive gane.

Just because you dont treat it as sucu doesnt mean its not comepetive. If its pve. Its competitive. That simple.

[ember kettle]

I LOVE THE MERCY 76 DAMAGE BOOST REIN SHIELD META SO MUCH

ITS SO FUN HAVING LITERALLY HAVING 0 COUNTERPLAY

YEAH ITS SO FUN STANDING BEHIND A UNBREAKABLE REIN SHIELD WITH A DAMAGE BOOST DOING 50% MORE DAMAGE WHEN YOU CAN ALREADY AIMBOT 1 SHOT ANYONE WITHOTU THEM

Im literally doing 10k a round starting on round 1 and its not fucking enough to break through the comp

BRO WHY DO I HAVE A FULL TANK MCREE WITH A ULT POWER ROUND 1

NO WONDER YOU DID 1k DAMAGE

WHY DO I KEEP GETTING THESE TEAM MATES

"does flashbang not effect reaper I hit him in the face as he ulted"
YOUR FLASH BANG HASNT BEEN A STUN FOR LIKE 3 YEARS MCCREE.

WHAT

I dont think this mcree fan the hammered once all game

Hes a full AP reinhard, 1 shots on flame strike. 1 shots on charge.
Some how. Still the tankiest tank in the gam

Legit where it the counterplay in this character

Literally a zarya with 800 hp, shielding myself, and he 1 shots me through my shield.

yet some how. He also tanks no damage.

Because that totaly makes fucking sense.

Every game is a Reinhardt 76 and Mercy. I love losing based on team comp

[ember kettle]

Its so funny how little impact damage role has on this game

If you have trash healers and tank You just lose. Doesnt matter how well you play.
Even on tank, if your DPS are dog shit as long as your healers are good you can solo carry on damage.

Oh look. New game and its an Ana that round 1 power bought the auto aim scoped heal.. WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GETTING THIS POWER. And enemies have Lucio Juno Rein so we just auto lose on team comp again

[dark jetty]

i won on cree with a tank that litterally left the game

just hit two-three headshots in a row on someone and ur up 1

[ember kettle]

Then you are in novice ranks

[dark jetty]

pro 4

game doesnt match make based on stadium rank either so i dont see how that matters

it does it based on competitive rank

[ember kettle]

Yeah this makes 0 sense because they are seprate game modes and have to balance out or else a bronze will be playing with perma bronzes even in top 500

It has to have its seperate system

Because they are 2 completely different games

Thats why these idiot anas for example keep throwing the game spending 80% of the game scoped in doing jack fucking shit

But I guess the same could be said for normal games. Thats not how you play Ana

[dark jetty]

i play diamonds every game no matter my stadium rank

sometimes the occasional plat or masters lobby

[flat elm]

dps has huge impact wdym

if you get picks early you can just steamroll whole lobby

[ember kettle]

And it still has to balance out.

They cant be the same rank

Because they are not the same game

Just because you are diamond in 1 doesnt mean you are diamond in the other

[ember kettle]

Tanks can get those exact same picks way quicker and way safer

[flat elm]

on hitscan you can click them from half a map away towards midgame

i dont think dps lacks carry potential

just bc of the nature of the game

can get ahead from few picks and snowball whole thing if you are just mechanically better

[zinc root]

JQ and D.va don't get increased quick melee damage from weapon power. all other heroes do

[acoustic kiln]

well JQ’s melee is technically tied to an ability so

I guess I can see why

[neon galleon]

I mean…JQ really wouldn’t care too much once you get your Axe going, and trying to melee on Dva is kinda suicide

[acoustic kiln]

you actually just need one support up your ass and you’ll be fine

I’ve seen way too many elite/pro lobbies where one dps steamrolls because a full weapon power support is pocketing them

[flat elm]

yea just pure glass cannons

[zinc root]

Onslaught Ordinance does 15% more damage per missile, and you fire 20% more missiles. so if you hit them all you do 35% (~38%) more damage in total (compared to not having that item). Macro Missile does 25% more damage per missile, but that's it.

so shooting more missiles in total makes it harder to miss entirely, but also harder to get max potential. shooting the normal number of missiles but doing a lot of knockback might make you miss a bit more. but, i'd guess Macro Missile would be more reliable for burst, unless the knockback is throwing off your aim more and you feel you get more reliable hits with OO

[dark jetty]

thats what i was saying if u hit a few shots u can easily get picks

dps might be the easiest role to carry on in stadium

[zinc root]

quick melee? no it's not

[ember kettle]

No its not

Her e isnt a melee per say. Her quick melee is the small knife and does scale on weapon power. But its not worth it

[dark jetty]

ur math is off the damage is 169 from all missiles with onslaught ordinance (assuming you round down like normal) and itd be 157,5 with macro missiles

[neon galleon]

They might be referring to the knife since it had a different animation and does less if you don’t have the knife on you, even if it WAS tied to ability power, you’ll be focusing on axe anyway

[zinc root]

quick melee does not scale from weapon power

[neon galleon]

Again it doesn’t really matter since you’re focusing on axe anyway

[zinc root]

i didnt do math because i didnt have to. assuming you direct hit every missile:
normal missiles -> 100%
OO -> 135% (over a 20% longer duration)
MM -> 125%

[ember kettle]

Stadium is very bursty. The less time it takes to kill the better.

[zinc root]

quick melee on queen does the same impact damage with or without the knife. knife in hand just adds bleed

[dark jetty]

OO isnt 135% but ur not far off so its fair enough

[zinc root]

it is in total damage, yes

20% more missiles, each doing 15% more damage

that works out no?

[dark jetty]

nope

[zinc root]

or it's higher, because the 20% extra are each doing 15% more

[dark jetty]

u righ but not 35% higher

[zinc root]

oh looks like 38% total

[dark jetty]

from what i found dva had 10,5 micro missile damage and shoots 12 micro missiles at a time with those values i have no clue how u came to the conclusion that its 38% total

[zinc root]

i was using stats from the wiki... 18 missiles, 8.5 damage each including the splash (3 direct, 5.5 splash)

(8.5 x 1.15) x (18 x 1.2) = 211.14
211.14 / 153 = 1.38

153 being the baseline of 8.5 x 18

wiki might be off, because i remember trying to count micro missiles at one point and i thought i saw ~12

[dark jetty]

fair enough then

[neon galleon]

That….still means it’s doing less

[lament igloo]

I'm just coming back to the game, and I had a question about stadium. I saw that you can choose to play it in first-person, and that got me kind of excited about it. I have less than zero interest in third-person overwatch, so I'd definitely choose first-person if it's viable, but it just feels like if everyone else is in third-person they'd have a wider field of view, be able to peek around corners more safely, and generally have more information at all times. Is playing in first-person just handicapping yourself?

[zinc root]

yes, but we were talking about whether weapon power adds to quick melee, which it does not for JQ or D.va, but it does for all other heroes

[zinc root]

i dont think so. do whatever is comfortable. i found 3rd person to be kinda nice for genji, soldier, lucio, and maybe sometimes kiriko, but otherwise ive mostly just stuck to 1st person. yes you lose that corner peak advantage, but ultimately it's whatever

[ember kettle]

I only play in 3rd person.

Hm. Interesting You are correct. THe quick melee on Junker does not get affected by weapon power.

Neither does AP though

[ember kettle]

Its insane how genji has 0 counterplay

literally buy all the melee items and lifesteal and you are literally unkillable and 1 shot all of the squiehies

Doesnt help we have an AP trolling reaper

against a dva genji whos just gonna eat and deflect death blososm

Like theres legit NOTHING anyone can do to genji in this game mode

Lets see looking at his build... healing and melee damage number 1, healing and melee damage number 2, healing and melee damage number 3, healing from deflect, melee damag and melee can crit. He literally just dashes at your face, presses quick melee, and you die.

Hes legit living in our backline 1v4 and cant die.

And wouldnt you know. THIS ALL BUFFS HIS DRAGON BLADE TOO. SO HES LEGIT HEALING HIS ENTIRE LIFE BAR EVERY SWING WHILE 1 SHOTTING YOU

I sure do loving having an AP Reaper while they have a crackhead Genji with no counterplay and an 76

About to be back down to contender 2 after what feelsl like a 50 game lose streak because my team mates refuse to play actual good picks while the enemies are always crack head meta abusing cunts

Oh look we have a mei when they have 76. So ima have to carry so hard on damage because I gurentee shes going AP and gonna be a useless sack of shit

I need the ability to permanently ban my team mates

Shocker. The Meis going weapon power like a competant player thats not trolling

[covert axle]

HOW DO PEOPLE TOP MONEY ON MERCY?

[acoustic kiln]

honestly

idk

i did it like once

[acoustic kiln]

pray that you hit a cassidy/mei headshot

or just bully him off your team as orisa

if you're a support though good luck

[magic walrus]

just dropping my newest build here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1kmsnwq/beam_bubble_bonanza_zarya_stadium_build_my_2nd_one/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[ember kettle]

Im already using a perfect zarya build

[verbal lake]

If you heal you get points, and there are some insane mercy heal builds out there that make you pump out tremendous amounts of healing per second. If you’re a good mercy who doesn’t die and keep up your team with heals, you’ll get MVP. I did it many times

[hallow fog]

Bro why are tanks still this strong in stadium

[proven knot]

so mm is just better then?

word

[ionic tree]

do they ever plan on letting our stadium match stats go to our account progression levels

[ember kettle]

I been leveling in stadium alot. What you mean.

[wispy oracle]

doesnt seem to budge hero progression level

gives decent bp experience now at least

[ember kettle]

Bc it only gives time played and wins

Other stats would get inflated too fast compared to tge normal game

[neon galleon]

Nope, only time played and wins cause the other stats would get inflated by how Stadium is if they allowed the other ones to be leveled up in Stadium

[neon galleon]

Generally Melee Genji is the most susceptible to getting money starved by a good team since he HAS to get into melee range to be effective, so bursting him down or using strong stuns or hinders during the early rounds will make him significantly easier to deal with later on

[flat elm]

melee genji isnt that strong, its just a meme

and imo shuriken builds are much stronger than blade builds

and dash builds are potato

[neon galleon]

The build Juno was dealing with I think was less focused on quick melee and more on Dragon Blade, the only other attack that benefits from both weapon power and melee damage buffs

[flat elm]

yea fair, i dont like the blade on deflect thing bc it animation locks you for too long

[neon galleon]

Fair, you can still avoid going through the animation by swift striking or wall climbing during deflect, and unless they decided it was a bug and fixed it without telling anyone, it allows you to store the swing, letting you use it by pressing ult or until you let the next deflect fully go through with it. Reaper can do it too with his mini blossom by buffering wraith but for obvious reasons it isn’t the best idea to store Reaper’s during the fight. Main drawback of it for Genji is that you HAVE to use up the mini ult before you can use your actual ult, and Genji has to let the full animation of that single swing play out first

[flat elm]

yea its just clunky to have to swing after every deflect and i feel it has a lot of drawbacks

may as well just do more shuriken dmg and have all your abilities function as normal

[neon galleon]

Technically speaking a dragon blade build doesn’t necessarily HAVE to pick it up, all they really need for the build to really shine power wise is the one that grants you 50% lifesteal on melee

Dragon Blade builds still boost up the power of their shurikens since they’re both affected by weapon damage, so once you get that specific power you could get some shuriken ones to not be as reliant on getting into melee range

Granted you’re still using up like 3 item slots for Dragon Blade, one being the universal purple item that boosts melee damage and gives you healing and movement speed for every melee hit and 2 of Genji’s exclusive items that focus on melee/dragon blade, the other 3 you can then put into boosting weapon damage

[acoustic kiln]

cuz solo tanking means they gotta get tuned up a lil bit

[flat elm]

yea I think splitting your build like this isnt great

rather do 1 thing great than 2 things okay

ive played melee items/build before but i think its just fully a meme

fun when it works out but much less consistent

not worth the tradeoff for me, when you can poke squishies for their whole health bar and go for oneshot during fight

[neon galleon]

Well again since Dragon Blade is affected by BOTH weapon power and melee damage, technically speaking you only need 1 item for dragon blade, which reduces how much you need to do to build it up and converts 100 of Genji’s health into armor, also making Dragon Blade restore ALL of Genji’s armor

[flat elm]

ya but if you dont take the perk that gives you blade after deflect whats the point

then you just have item(s) that are only active for 1 moment

[neon galleon]

1 of the other 2 items gives Genji’s quick melee the ability to crit if you quick melee their back, and the other is Gloomgauntlet

[neon galleon]

Oh no, the main item you really need is perma active. Dragon Blade restoring all of your armor is the only effect you have to trigger

[flat elm]

whats the main item youre referring to

[neon galleon]

Transference Delta

[flat elm]

oh no i mean

the majority of the power of that is going into ult

rather than buffing your neutral

i think for genji its almost always better to just have strong neutral ->build blade faster bc of this -> have a strong blade bc of weap power

and not take any blade related items

[neon galleon]

I mean again, power wise you only REALLY need the 1 that gives you 50% melee lifesteal and Transference Delta is the only one you REALLY need item wise

[flat elm]

for survival the only thing ive ever bought on genji is the blue 100 health to armour one

[neon galleon]

Transference Delta also does that

[flat elm]

yea but then youre 1 power down and 1 item down

[flat elm]

ya but for 6000 extra gold that otherwise could go into dmg

i think its just different way of thinking about it

rather than take an item to build blade faster

id just put the 6k extra gold into dmg thats gonna buff neutral and build it faster anyway

[neon galleon]

Yeah I can also see how that can make more sense than grabbing transference delta, I think a large part of Shuriken vs Dragon Blade is going to be what exactly you’re fighting

If you’re fighting a lot of close range burst damage Shurikens will be a lot safer to work with overall, but if there isn’t as much strong close range burst or it’s more so sustain damage that needs time to build up, dragon blade could end up being strong as the healing from your melee could allow you to easily outlast it, and of course Dragon Blade will have more immediate burst damage

[unkempt finch]

Support queue times are unbearable

I wait 30 minutes for a game

[ember kettle]

Play other roles then

[safe helm]

what is up with the miniscule gains on wins and like 90% progress loss on losses?

is that going to be patched any time soon?

you need a winrate of like 85% to climb in this mode?

three games in a row I got the minimum amount of progress for winning, and if I lose the next one I know my progress will be dropped back down to demotion protection. this keeps happening consistently ever since hitting pro rank

[neon galleon]

Once you get past elite gains from wins and losses from, well losses are altered

[hearty lodge]

Its so stupid, getting to All-Stars was life draining cause one AFK in my team or Dva (which are essentially the same thing) meant i was gonna be back at demotion protection like some sort of soft lock checkpoint in a hardcore try hard game

It makes no sense, no other game has ever put -90% bar lost on losses and 5% bar gained on wins

[neon galleon]

I’m sure there is, but there might not necessarily be a ranked attached to that

[ember kettle]

Yeah not looking foward to finishing off elite on tank and dps because ima go back to trying to push all star myself.

Its the first season.
Things clearly need adjusted.

[flat elm]

i think its mmr based, whats your win-loss in stadium so far

[hearty lodge]

70% winrate

[flat elm]

hmm weird then

in pro i still get lot more than i lose

[hearty lodge]

im All Stars, and the game feels like it wants me in Pro

im gonna quit the Legend climb

[flat elm]

ahh yea its less there

q time too long

[hearty lodge]

gonna go get All Stars on DPS now

YES!

30 min queue time

(support)

but it was worth it, i love Juno in this mode

[flat elm]

some of my friends are all star 3 or 2

[hearty lodge]

(i dont play torpedo build)

[flat elm]

but qs are rly rly long

[hearty lodge]

understandable tho, there are good players that havent put the effort yet to get to the higher ranks

cause its a new mode and all

and i'd rather wait 30 mins than get paired with Contenders

[flat elm]

yea i just stopped playing as much

[hallow fog]

I think tanks scale much better than dps overall

and and and they can get away with more without being punished

[neon galleon]

Why do I get a Mercy that keeps letting me die when I’m literally the only one able to reliably kill the damn Orisa that keeps bulldozing past our Rein to kill everyone else

[zinc root]

the stadium ranks (before Pro+) are literally cosmetic. matchmaking is all done with a hidden MMR

[hearty lodge]

Someone in Contender is still more likely to be a noob than not

someone in Pro and All Stars have more experience in the mode

[zinc root]

new to the mode, but that doesnt mean they cant win

player skill accounts for most of the success

[hearty lodge]

its all about probabilities

i dont care about the exceptions

the mayority of the time it will be someone not strong

[zinc root]

that's just what you choose to see

[hearty lodge]

indeed

just so happens that when i see a contender soldier in my lobby, they perform very lacklusting compared to higher ranked players in the lobby

how could that be, that the mayority of the time that scenario happens, that fact is true then?

[flat elm]

think its not so much the rank that matters in stadium its just the wr

since you cant get stuck in low rank

only reason you can be there is if you dont play many games

[neon galleon]

So for some reason, Ability Power actually affects dragon blade even though ability details don’t list it as something that it affects-

[ember kettle]

Same. I just use torpedos. Have you updated the build any or no reason to?

[ember kettle]

Dragon blade is an ult. So it makes sense.

Genjis a weird one

Hes one of the few like... Hybrid hybrid characters.

[hearty lodge]

nope

[ember kettle]

Everything works on him

[hearty lodge]

i've polished it to perfection

[ember kettle]

Atleast till more changes happen to items.

[hearty lodge]

yep

[neon galleon]

This also means that Superflexor is REALLY good on Dragon Blade builds since you technically get a 35% max boost

[ember kettle]

I have been enjoying ashe too much to test genji builds atm. But like. Laceration dash builds are my favorite

[neon galleon]

Idea: Laceration, Wyrm’s Maw, Hanamura healing, Dragon’s Breath

[blissful drift]

ashe feels very weak rn

only good build i found with her was dynamite and even that was mid compared to other heros like cass

cass just dominates

[ember kettle]

Not playing her right.

[blissful drift]

so boring

[ember kettle]

Coach gun bob jr is her best combo of powers

[blissful drift]

cant wait for them to add the totally new balanced hero freja to stadium

ive tried baby bob with dynamite build since you build ult fast, worked well until elite rank

but i guess that's just a skill issue from my part

[ember kettle]

Fuck dynamite. Go coach gun

I play incen blast double coach gun into bob jrs but mark of kitsune calamity works in place of incen blast

Im telling this as someone with her most played as my dpa

Dps

[blissful drift]

WR?

stadium is just has some heros that are just guaranteed wins its so lame

[hearty lodge]

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/patch-notes/live/2025/05/

patch

[ember kettle]

They mention weapon power still when its not zaryas best build

The cash nerfs oof though

Holy wtf is that sleep dart ana nerf

20% nerf ontop of a 50% duration nerf

[blissful drift]

3k bountry cap is wild

and 12.5%? doesnt that seem a bit much

[ember kettle]

That 12.5 cohld be the difference of you getting a power spike when you are use to

[neon galleon]

It’s the healing dart, I think it’s now it can’t heal ALL of your hp, but it’ll do so at a faster pace..?

[ember kettle]

Its 80% healing overall instead of 100%
and its a 4 second duration instead of 8 seconds.
Meaning it is overall extremely nerfed

[forest phoenix]

thats how I read it as well

80% of your overall health healed over the course of 4 seconds

instead of 100% health over the course of 8 seconds

it's not /that/ bad of a nerf

if you use that on a rein with 800 health for example they heal 640 health in 4 seconds

it's definitely good for keeping your tanks up

[neon galleon]

My thing with that is yes, it overall heals less, but the heal is at a faster rate, so in theory the target would get 20% of their health back every second

[hearty lodge]

what? no, thats not nerfed it was a really good buff

[wet jackal]

Who would you guys say is the best hero and why

[hearty lodge]

before it was 100% in 8 seconds meaning: 100/8 = 12.5% hp/s
now its 80/4 = 20% hp/s

[wet jackal]

Because personally I really like going for a damage cass build

[hearty lodge]

Juno

[wet jackal]

Oh yeah I need to try the build aspen made

[hearty lodge]

She has damage, healing, movility, survivability, utility, all and in good forms

and its one of the few characters you can actually carry games with

[hearty lodge]

send build

🙏

[wet jackal]

Can I send links here

[hearty lodge]

yes

[ember kettle]

With way less uptime though

[hearty lodge]

i just did

[ember kettle]

Ifs a bigger burst but thats garbage

It gave her a good sustain

[wet jackal]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP864Xd99/

Emong used it and it looked fun

[ember kettle]

The 8s with the cd refreshes and such had such a good uptime

This is legit a massive nerf in why its used

[hearty lodge]

thats outdated

after cosmic coolant and pulstar destroyers nerf that build is not the best now

[ember kettle]

Let me introduce to you mine and reys build we use with 3 tap tommy and glider spam with stinger

Torpedos still do torpedo things

[wet jackal]

Gulp

[ember kettle]

But now you arent useless if they ever do go on cd

Im not on my pc atm to link the build

[hearty lodge]

i can but i dont wanna sound like im self plugging again

[ember kettle]

I mean its a great build

Do it lmao

[hearty lodge]

fine, @wet jackal : https://staging.stadiumbuilds.io/build/2fa329f0-ae9b-4721-8369-c47584fffb5f

[ember kettle]

Try to spread the word that juno is more than just her torpedos

[wet jackal]

what the hell i didnt know this website existed

fire ill try it and get back

[hearty lodge]

you can look up other builds in that site if you dont like that one

there's a ton that are very very good!

and fun!

[modest spindle]

Dude I just had a 20 min round of stadium

And lost it

We came back and won the game but my god

I’m exhausted

[acoustic kiln]

juno can do everything

[modest spindle]

anyone know when freja gets added to stadium

like date wise

[ionic tree]

the stadium comp 30 wins = 100 points is bugged

[lofty junco]

God dva is hell to play against

Got a kiriko dva mei team

And jsut couldn’t ever kill them

The dva litterslly bum rushed me everytime I poked my head

[hearty lodge]

22 of this month

[dark jetty]

''juno is so good'' my juno after a whole round: 1-0-3 322 dmg 502 heals

[blissful drift]

a single case doesn't define anything

juno did get nerfed a lot to be fair but she's still good

usually around the 3rd round I out damage the entire lobby

[neon galleon]

Juno also has to balance between using their torpedoes for damage and using their torpedoes for healing and pretty much HAS to get Mark of Kitsune at some point to allow their gun to still do anything of notice

[dark jetty]

course not i jus had the need to share how horrible they were only one that didnt heal more on my team was the cree

[blissful drift]

support is too crowded these days, we need to go back to a time where support was the least common role and support players actually knew what they were doing instead of just brain dead healing or doing whatever

ts msg might get me banned 🙏

[dark jetty]

begging for someone to go supp was lit the trenches this is better 💔

[vivid compass]

v

[acoustic kiln]

mark of the kitsune + cybervenom + three tap tommygun + stinger

you hit any squishy with a torpedo and a shot

they just die.

you can usually get that in round 5 if you got good money

[hearty lodge]

Why would you waste precious, valuable torpedos on healing?

Your team isnt gonna carry you

[acoustic kiln]

almost 900 hp as mei

still do good damage

beautiful.

[modest spindle]

does phanmatic flux only give stats at 100% health

or is it the life steal that makes shield is at 100

[ember kettle]

She is really good. Just not everyone knows how to play her.

[ember kettle]

The lifesteal and powers permanent and is there ro enable the overhealth

[azure obsidian]

I found a love for Juno in stadium. Very fun.

[neon galleon]

Because you’re still a support and thus still need to keep your team alive

[proven knot]

Dva mirror is so fucking lame in stadium. Having double shitscan is just a guaranteed loss if they have a single flex dps :/

[neon galleon]

I just had a Lucio that decided instead of staying with the team and healing us, to try to 1v1 the enemy’s Cass….while he had his whole team with him

[dark jetty]

did lucio win?!

[neon galleon]

god no

The Cass’s teammates had eyes

[dark jetty]

thats a bit odd

they usually dont have those

either way a 1v1 with a cree is still bad news for a lucio tho aint it?

[neon galleon]

Well when the Lucio goes straight at them while the Cass is in the middle of his entire fucking team 1v1s don’t end up going well

And by not going well I mean it immediately turned into a 1v5

[dark jetty]

thas tuff but my juno had 502 heals after a full round

you might be thinking they was dps juno then righ? nah they had 332 dmg

[neon galleon]

The last 2 games the Lucio couldn’t even break 1000 healing, because he kept trying to fucking solo dive the Cass instead of staying with us and helping us get in, hell there was only 1 game where he broke 2000 healing

[dark jetty]

my juno was lit a ulti battery for red team

[neon galleon]

My Lucio just kept feeding the Cass money

[dark jetty]

match quality feels so much worse in stadium than all the other modes tbh

sometimes you jus get those lost souls that cant be saved

[neon galleon]

It’s cause of the matchmaking, people way too good for the lower ranks are trying it for the first time, those that are really good getting trapped in the lower ranks, people getting way higher than they should, etc.

[dusk otter]

Is it normal to show a different stadium rank when you're in a group with a friend? I'm Elite 5 in support bit when I join my friends group it shows me Rookie 3.

[neon galleon]

From what I’ve heard there isn’t a limit to how far people from different ranks can play with

[dark jetty]

pretty sure it matchmakes based on competitive rank and not stadium rank

[ember kettle]

Which makes no snce because im silver in normal comp and never been higher yet im getting plat + supposedly in stadium games.

They cant be based on the same ranks

They are 2 different game modes

They are not 1 in the same the rank does not transfer over. It has to have a seperate matchmaking

[proven knot]

chat how has rein still not been nerfed?

[dark jetty]

then its prolly jus hidden mmr taken from qp and comp

[wet jackal]

Because he’s reinhardt

Reinhardt and Kiriko are blizzard’s favorite heroes to keep busted because if they keep them strong, their cult playerbase won’t stop playing, and if they keep them playing, they release more skins and make more money

Like genuinely Reinhardt’s playerbase is why he won’t be nerfed

[proven knot]

at least kiriko takes skill

rein is just hold shield and be unpunishable because he has a 4000hp shield and 9000 armor

[wet jackal]

Press e in the general area of team mates -> win

Ok

Or shift or whatever suzu is

I don’t play enough kiriko

[proven knot]

it's E

[wet jackal]

Figured

[proven knot]

shift is swift step

[vital surge]

I am so bad at this game but I play anyways

[runic forge]

i feel lol

i just swapped from console and if saw my aim youd think i was blind

[neon galleon]

Until a Fan the Hammer Cass or tank buster Soldier…..or really anyone the Rein can’t just easily get off him shows up

[proven knot]

you dont have to defend rein

its ok

not a hill u have to die on

[modest hull]

shieldbot 6000000000 gazillion honorable

[neon galleon]

How is pointing out how easily you can break the shield defending him????

[proven knot]

how did that take you that long 2 type

[neon galleon]

Because I was writing a different message and kept backspacing

[proven knot]

second guessing?

[neon galleon]

More like my brain going 10 million miles per hour

[proven knot]

its 2025

[neon galleon]

I have ADHD that argument doesn’t work

[proven knot]

we’re an accepting society now

rein hate is ok now

nobody will cancel you

[neon galleon]

That is the biggest lie in existence and neither of us need a physic degree to know that

[proven knot]

nah just try it out

Fuck Rein

nothing happens

[lofty junco]

Does weapon power effect the healing rate

[verbal lake]

Yes

Works for Ana, mercy, and Moira. Idk about Juno, Kiri, or Lucio

[neon galleon]

Works on Juno’s gun and Kiri’s healing that isn’t related to Suzu. Lucio’s healing is purely ability power

[lofty junco]

Ana with like 60% firing speed and 25 ammo is pretty fun

It’s a endless stream of drugs

[neon galleon]

In fact ability power affects soundwave, crossfade, AND sound barrier

[lofty junco]

I’m like the cia in the 50s

MK_ultra type beat

[main jungle]

I rage uninstalled last week, but the siren call of stadium is luring me back in. That, and froggers melee Lucio video

[hearty lodge]

you cant be serious

im calling the police

[acoustic kiln]

no way

[acoustic kiln]

on every support but lucio yes

[dark jetty]

my teammates sure as hell arent pro rarely near it either

[desert ravine]

what is best build for Reinhardt if u wanna solo carry

[zenith igloo]

I didn't know that

[verbal lake]

Yea, you can increase mercy’s weapon power + some epic items like “Hardlight accelerator” and “Amari’s antidote” and you’ll pump out insane heals

Especially when you combine it with Triage Unit power it’s so good. Her healing isn’t useless anymore

Once you’ve got the healing in check, invest in health and survivability + an item that increases your damage boost

I’ve one-tricked with this strategy and I’ve gotten to pro 4

[oak aspen]

Finally clawed my way back into pro

[flat elm]

who did you buy galactic gun for though

and grats :D

[oak aspen]

Lucio since I started playing him in stadium recently

I used to play Juno but I think going from Pro 3 to Elite 4 kind of made me think I gotta swap

[flat elm]

i think strongest sups are juno kiri mercy

but ya his gun is nice it fits well

[oak aspen]

Yeah Juno is a super strong support even after the nerfs

[main jungle]

Smashing, ignite on 3rd swing, and Wilhelm wagon, then just build attack speed/weapon power and use gloom gauntlet to stay alive

[coarse fern]

ok dva being sub 43% winrate when she can go giga missile build is just kinda crazy

i think a lot of people just dont know how to build her and end up going a tanky matrix build
going a mix of matrix/missile build is best in my eyes

[stark cloud]

Playing tank in this mode is horrible

[spiral stratus]

Am I the only one hard stuck contender 1? I keep getting to 99% then it’ll give me the worst teams

I’ll stomp everyone until that last rank up game😭

[ember kettle]

If your weapon is healing based yes.

Junos Gun heals.
Anas Gun Heals.
Mercys Staff is a weapon and heals.
Moira's Mist Heals

Its simple. When you hit F1 for hero kits.
If its under the weapon, its affected by weapon power. Heal and Damage alike.
If its under abilities, it effects everything else

Baptise would be weapon healing when he comes on.

Brig is... a weird one. Her healing comes from her passive. Which I think might scale off AP.

[solar kite]

or press alt when shop is open and hover over items and see what it affects

[ember kettle]

Convenient for those that dont understand the difference between a WEAPON an AN ABILITY

[hearty lodge]

Apparently its 5 things we have to take into account

Weapon, Abilities, Quick-melees, Item damage and Power damage.

Cybervenom for example doesnt work on Stinger (Juno's Power to deal 10 Ability Power on every shot), nor does it work with Mark of the Kitsune, but it works with her damaging ability (torpedo).

[ember kettle]

IMagine

[hearty lodge]

i honestly was executing under the impression that interaction worked

[ember kettle]

Id be buyin liguid nitrogen every round and just slow everything with stinger lmao

[hearty lodge]

i was like:

• Am i dealing ability damage? Yes
• Does it trigger on ability damage? Yes
  ok, then im applying anti-heals!

but cybervenom says: "when dealing ABILITY DAMAGE", and i thought it was when you deal ability power damage. For some reason they are not the same

[tepid finch]

what build do I play as rein against orisa

[hearty lodge]

Firestrike AP

There's pretty much 4 builds you can go on rein. Brawler, Wall, Firestrike or Charge.

Brawler wont kill her, Charge will be stopped by 3 of her abilities. Wall is simply no relevant enough without a competent team. So you ought to go Firestrike AP.

Something like this? @tepid finch
~~ https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/fe63d786-7bf3-4b17-af05-aaecc9d1e7fc ~~

[tepid finch]

does firestrike radius increase also increase magma strike trail radius?

[hearty lodge]

Actually, fuck that build. Use this instead:
https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/71384099-8b6e-4ade-b47c-f9f6b7a31759

[hearty lodge]

i dont remember... 🤔

[ember kettle]

Might get a new pc in 2 weeks.

give or take

Maybe

High possibility

[ember kettle]

Sounds like TESTING TIME.

Stadium Practice Range

[ember kettle]

As much as I hate getting shit team mates. Im afraid of climbing so high that I spend more time in queue than I do playing the game.

Thats honeslty the biggest benefit rivals has over overwatch

[void pawn]

yeah but

rivals is not that fun

and besides you still have skirmish and practice range while waiting for a match

i just spend my time revising in Q

[ember kettle]

Thats not playing the game

[void pawn]

well

then do something while in queue idk

[flat elm]

i just put on videos or something in queue theyre so long

[hearty lodge]

i play Doom Sumo on Custom Games while on queue

god... i wish he was on Stadium...

[dark jetty]

peeking a corner for 0.2 milliseconds just to get hit with a charged punch with 5313421% ability power🤤

[void pawn]

any good rein builds against dva

since firestrike build doesnt work as well

[normal yoke]

is there anyone whos legend yet? my friend got a 75% winrate and only just hit all-star

[wet jackal]

pure dmg

[ember kettle]

go his normal build then

Go gloom gauntlet and just fucking walk at her

She cant do shit about it

[void pawn]

20k in round 1 ohohohoh

[void pawn]

87k in 5 rounds]

duez

dude

[flat elm]

one of mine is all star 1, almost there

biggest enemy is queue time

[normal yoke]

yeah even on tank my elite 5 is 14 minutes(est)

[lost turret]

I think widow and sombra will be added to stadium before i get good dps

my cass last game kept feeding their ashe 🥀

[neon galleon]

You can go all in on Hammer and just start swinging at her, or go Fire Strike anyway, she can’t keep DM up forever and her damage is still pretty meh

[void pawn]

true

[proven knot]

just ignore firestrike since she can eat it easily and go hammer

[hearty lodge]

She eats hammer too with her survivability. Firestrike is meant to let you kill her supports and DPS, you arent shooting firestrikes at Orisa

[proven knot]

Firestrike is insanely easy to eat

and by eat I mean DM

[hearty lodge]

DM?

[proven knot]

defense matrix

[hearty lodge]

OH NEVERMIND, i thought we were talking about Orisa

yeah yeah yeah, go hammer, mbmb

[proven knot]

yeah for orisa it forces spin anyways if she wants to eat it so like

that doesnt matter

Does anyone know if weapon damage not buffing melee on Dva is a bug or not? I can see it potentially being intentional

[flat elm]

I always thought it was intentional

Or else it might just do too much w the rest of her melee perks

[normal yoke]

https://www.owbuildplanner.com/?v=3&b=eJxTMrI2NtQzNtEzNtAzsrQuTjbSK0821CtONolHYusVp4L4YFqvuMjQFESYYYroJaYax2OIALGhKQ5hoH4zhBSyKBBbKAEAZSUuxw==

this is my favorite build for stadium

powers can change a little but i also go the same items

77% winrate with 30 games so far

[proven knot]

yeah I could see that being an issue. Meka punch + that one item that buffs melee damage already does a lot of damage

[flat elm]

been otp'ing zarya

dva is only tank i havent seen today hahah

[proven knot]

dva is pretty usable if you want to play her at all

nobody plays her tho

[flat elm]

yea

zar feels strong even after money nerf

still getting alot

[proven knot]

she prob is

haven't struggled much with her tho

still feel like rein is the best tank

[flat elm]

i think rein is strong but if you just have a dps to melt shield then its fine

can run over him too

but im just going full dmg zar

[proven knot]

ya not a fan of that. contingent on dps doing something

[flat elm]

yea just to shoot shield

painful

[blissful drift]

When the enemy has a rein, I usually go for a bunny zarya build, in survival there is a perk to jump 100% higher and not take any self damage from secondary fire, he can't do much against a flying zarya

[main jungle]

At least in the training room, it only buff melee dmg after you remech once that life

[ember kettle]

volskaya vortex fucking hurts and shes just so good at enabling her dps with her shield spam

[flat elm]

hahah i still havent tried that yet

still only did pure weap

even against reins from midgame on its enough dmg

[main jungle]

AP Zar is super fun, you become immortal and just pump out massive aoes everywhere. Plus it gives Zar access to anti-heal she doesn't have in her weapon build

[void pawn]

rein + mercy with an AP build is very hard to get through, ive been on both ends

[modest spindle]

just hit pro!

playing only orisa

my only note is: holy fuck zarya is impossible to win against 90% of the time

[harsh radish]

load into game

team locks genji, ashe, mercy and moira

Alright

I shouldn't have bothered

[main jungle]

Melee Genji is super fun, I just wish that there wasn't 80 million Cassidy's and auto aiming soldiers in every lobby

[hot drum]

Do we know what new hero’s besides freja?

[hearty lodge]

Sigma / Junkrat / Zenyatta

[hot drum]

Ooh that’s nice, can’t wait for ram tho

[civic oxide]

@proven knot the melee genji is reall

[proven knot]

? yeah people run that

[civic oxide]

sorry for pinging u out the blu

[proven knot]

idc

[civic oxide]

noice

[main jungle]

It's actually pretty solid, just really dependant on the enemy team having an Ashe, Ana, or soldier, otherwise you'll struggle to get money early and you really need to rush the backstab

Just got my first galactic weapon, went for the Genji one so I can see it on my back in 3rd person

[lament harbor]

I want to learn the other DPS outside of Soldier but im not confidant in my aim nor do I want to throw my ELO since there is no QP

What do I do Overwatch discord :V

[proven knot]

make an alt

[lament harbor]

GASP

[proven knot]

or go play them in quickplay first and copy a build

when you hop onto stadium

[lament harbor]

but normal Overwatch is nasty :c

[proven knot]

alt it is then

[ionic tree]

petition to make an mmr system for stadium 🥀

or remove the penalty for losing matches cos rookies ruin my games

[main jungle]

Cas had auto aim, Genji has the melee build, Mei is... Mei, and Ashe has mini bob and dynamite spam, they all have options for if your mechanics are bad

[tiny swan]

what is all star equivalent to

[ionic tree]

u cant compare stadium ranks to comp ranks

cos u get extra buffs n shit

[hollow laurel]

hello, is there exists intentional way to counterplay zarya in average weapon build on jq? so far i feel like only possible way to win in this case is to have mei on team which can lock her from team

[neon galleon]

Cass auto aim is kinda meh, it’s only for the first shot, you have to be within 9m which could be a death sentence depending on the target, and since the auto aim only actually kicks in if you’re not aiming at someone when you fire the shot, it is straight up unable to headshot

[neon galleon]

If the bubbles are becoming a problem try to bait them out, otherwise the instant she bubbles someone ignore them and go after whoever was unlucky enough to not get one

Or if the Zarya isn’t really focusing on weapon power you could attempt to burst her down since it probably means she is relying more on that power that creates a vortex when you use secondary fire after putting up a bubble, which is ability damage

Of course you can always attempt to just farm cash for a few rounds to be able to overpower her later on, the enemy team absolutely HAS to burst JQ down as much as possible as the longer a fight drags out with her, the more dangerous she gets

[flat elm]

it can headshot

at least pretty sure, usually get it on genjis but maybe its funky hitbox stuff

[neon galleon]

If you’re aiming at their head already it doesn’t kick in

It only kicks in if the shot would miss

[flat elm]

what happens if youre gonna miss, but genji is e.g. double jumping or dashing towards you, so head hitbox is forward

does it hs

[neon galleon]

I don’t know, if the hit box is contorted to where the head hit box is in front of their center of mass it might be able to headshot then, but otherwise on its own it won’t ever headshot

It’s not like Soldier’s tactical visor where you can force it into a headshot by aiming up from what I can tell

[neon galleon]

Try it against Dva Mech, I think her headshot hit box is closer to her center of mass so it might be easier to try to force the auto aim to hit there

[flat elm]

nah for visor you need to aim at head for it to hit head

[fickle elbow]

is there any counter to ap jq besides orisa and a better jq? because ive hardly met anyone that could beat me

[flat elm]

ive found it alright playing against jq as zar

a lot is whether your team get caught though so hard to tell

but at least bubble bails ppl out

[neon galleon]

Large amounts of burst damage. AP Rein, weapon power Zarya can also overpower your healing, Soldier, Cassidy, even Reaper, Juno torpedoes can take a nice chunk out of you, Lucio can boop you away, denying you axe hits, an Ana and Kiri that can keep their distance from you can just fully deny your sustainability, even Ashe can burst you down if you move too predictably

[fickle elbow]

yeah cass and lucio were quite a nuisance but i guess i went against bad ones because i still beat them

[glossy badger]

Is there no LFG-Stadium Channel?

[leaden wraith]

https://discord.com/channels/94882524378968064/1142498546524889228

[glossy badger]

says no access

[neon galleon]

It’s probably the pc one, it doesn’t have crossplay yet so Console and PC have to have separate ones

[leaden wraith]

The link I sent was for PC and eu

[neon galleon]

Generally anyone that isn’t a tank or hasn’t put a lot into bulk is at risk of a one shot once you get enough AP, weapon power Reaper and Ability power Mei are probably the 2 dps characters that can reasonably get out of one shot range since AP Mei can get the permafrost power and WP Reaper can get Vanadium Injection, which gives a base 50 shield and then at the low cost of holding on to an ult that WP Reaper probably should never use, you’ll get 50 extra health, 10% WP, 10% AP which doesn’t matter, 10% attack speed, 10% cooldown reduction, and 10% movement speed

[neon galleon]

#lfg-console-stadium

[neon galleon]

On the support side Ana might be able to reasonably get enough health but that requires her to get Sleep Regimen, I don’t think the other supports really get much on the power side to help with it. Though I guess back on the dps side Dragon Blade Genji probably could live an axe hit with Transference Delta if he gets his health up enough through damage and whatever healing he can get on himself. Generally though, the more the enemy team realizes that they need to burst you down, the harder the match gets for you.

[hearty lodge]

it says "without access" for me, why is that???

[neon galleon]

Because that is console’s lfg stadium

[hearty lodge]

ohh

There is no #lfg-pc-na-stadium

only EU, OCE and console

why is that?

[neon galleon]

I don’t know

[mossy storm]

Incendiary Blast + Calamity is one of the builds of all time
i love it

can melt damn near anyone in seconds

[hearty lodge]

@ember kettle i updated the Juno build a bit. Realized it's better to take Medimaster on 5 instead of Stinger (at least with my aim, if you can't aim Stinger is not bad).
https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/2fa329f0-ae9b-4721-8369-c47584fffb5f

[ember kettle]

oh god the entire site updated

what is that ui

[ember kettle]

See she cant crit normally so I dont know how well it would be for me? I play ashe though so id like to see im decent on the crits?
At the same time i feel like this is a case of consistent value.
One relies on crits
The other is just always.

I can see the reasoning behind it though

[hearty lodge]

Since i'm always jumping on top of enemies, it's been easy for me to get the crits going

[ember kettle]

Im a player in every game though in... I dont like cits. I want conistincy. While its noce when it hits. If i dont crit i get no value. And with how float and flyier and jittery people are in stadium

I feel like getting really consistent value out of the crits might be hard

[hearty lodge]

🤷 i still kept a Stinger path for those who like that route

But you can really tell the difference with Medimaster when you hit your shots

[void pawn]

they should remove the overtime respawn timer in stadium

[dark jetty]

steame my favourite platform

[neon galleon]

Feel like that kinda ruins the point of overtime?

[dark jetty]

nh but in all seriousness atleast try n make the link look like it

[void pawn]

as in the timer increases by like 4secs on overtime and it can be very annoying in stadium especially on push

[neon galleon]

Wait it does?

[hearty lodge]

clearly fake

[lofty junco]

I just wasn’t sure if it did that because I was playing Ana at the time and Ana’s healing and damage dealer are the same thing so I wasn’t sure if it was increasing healing or just damge

[neon galleon]

If it’s on mouse clicks/L2 and R2 it’s boosted by weapon power, everything else with specific exceptions is affected by ability power, and melees are almost always affected by the melee items

Welp they found a way to invade the channel again-

[hearty lodge]

Seems like it huh

i wasnt expecting this server from all places to have bots

is it fine to call a staff?

ah! they got deleted!

[flat elm]

i'm watching

think bc this channel is new some are sneaking through automod, we'll try sort it

[neon galleon]

@flat elm I just tested the Cass auto aim on Dva mech, it IS able to headshot if the headshot hit box is close enough to center of mass, the indicator that the auto aim is focused on someone is in fact where the shot will land should the auto aim kick in. Of the characters already in Stadium and both targets on even ground without any moving of hitboxes the auto aim will only automatically headshot Dva Mech and Genji, everyone else is a body shot

[flat elm]

Yea, I could've sworn that I've had it hs before

But I guess it's not so consistent

[neon galleon]

Yeah it’s VERY possible for Genji to turn it into a body shot with how much their hit box moves around, but in theory with anyone besides Dva mech it might become a headshot if you have enough high ground

Though it looks like for someone like Reaper it needs to be a pretty big height difference

[hearty lodge]

Do we have any info on Freja's Powers and Items for her Stadium release yet?

[errant scarab]

classic ow devs. Instead of buffing the unpopular powers to make them on par with the good ones, they nerf the good ones to the ground and make those characters unplayable bc they now have no good powers

[void pawn]

i mean no

i think buffing every power to be on par can be very very obnoxious

you can still have fun you just actually need to try

[proven kite]

does anyone know mercys tank health build?

[main jungle]

Of course cas can auto head shot Genji, because Genji needed another handicap against the second strongest dps

Honestly nerf Genji

[verbal lake]

https://youtu.be/wkt1OuVObAs?si=_gDtLrrsz6OuCJ0z

I may have found a Moira build that isn’t based around her Orbs

[livid marsh]

Guess who just got Elite Moira?

finally I can stop playing this agony

[main jungle]

Dropped 3 divisions on dps in the past like 3 hours, what are these lobbies

[livid marsh]

you weren't the only one...I spent 5 days trying to get back up where I was

[neon galleon]

To be fair, that test was specifically with neither of them moving and both on even ground, it is ENTIRELY possible for Genji to force it into a body shot due to how much he can shift his hitboxes

Plus unlike Dva mech, Genji can very easily make the Cass regret his decision with a well timed deflect

[errant scarab]

juno skin

u can never stop

have fun in pro

where one win = 20% of the bar and one loss = 100% of the bar

[flat elm]

A lot of the time it's just a visual bug

it's not actually that bad

[blissful drift]

the zarya nerfs are actually crazy

i just cant win with her

and i lose like 100% each loss

[grave pasture]

I mean I'm sure there'll be more major changes today given midseason

[wintry marsh]

What does ability points do on mercy??!?!?!?!

[grave pasture]

that's the neat part

nothing afaik

[neon galleon]

They only do something if you pick the ability power powers

[grave pasture]

^

[void pawn]

it buffs healing and thats it i think?

actually no it doesnt

[neon galleon]

Ability power literally does nothing on Mercy if you don’t grab the Rez overhealth or the guardian Angel heal power, even for Valkyrie

Which just makes it even more baffling to me why people keep grabbing ability power on her when they don’t grab either of those powers

[void pawn]

yeahh

my bigger question is why is my mercy not dmg boosting me on rein when im running an FS build

i can understand not doing it round 1 or 2 but sometimes my mercy is healing someone who is guaranteed dead

[hearty lodge]

commynity

@woeful heart

[hoary sierra]

[hearty lodge]

lmao Ja wins the race! hahaha

[proven knot]

damn they nerfed multi-tool :/

[hexed arch]

is it just me or genji lose one of his stadium power?

[worn parcel]

anyone else having an issue with freja take aim in stadium like glitching

[tepid finch]

so they nefed reins projectile speed item cuz they buffed its base value, but they also nerfed the ability power items? like what

[proven knot]

because stacking ability power was strong on a lot of characters

[velvet pawn]

anyone know what the best freya powers? i feel like alot of them dont seem that good

[hushed jewel]

Freja is so fucking fun in stadium

[velvet pawn]

fun, but which powers you run?

[hushed jewel]

I put everything into bola

First I get the updraft bola power, then the increased bola damage power, then the updraft wind burst and just throw everything into ability while having the 11k item that pulls in targets even if it misses/100% take aim time and the 4k survival item that does 5hp per 1s of take aim

Plus I take the items that offer cooldown reduction and ability power

[tepid finch]

rein vs orisa soldier freyna is actually unwinnable

its a sad day for rein players

[proven knot]

YES

rein is dead in stadium now

so dead

freja can shoot him through shield

[noble hamlet]

how do you manage not to die? i literally get 1 tapped by juno ability and dragonblade

[hushed jewel]

You gotta stay in the back line and heavily use whatever cover you got

The build does rely on your team being somewhat able to keep the enemy engaged

[ember kettle]

I need the street fighter skins

[ember kettle]

@hearty lodge OMFG THE IRI ASPECT FOR JUNOS MYTHIC

I DIDNT ASPECT IT TO BE COMING THIS UPDATE TOO.

ITS SO GOOD

[acoustic kiln]

GUH

I HAVE TO WAIT TILL NEXT SEASON I DONT HAVE ANY MYTHIC TOKENS LEFT

well ill have 10 once i finish the battle pass

[vital surge]

ugh, lagging

rubber banding like hell

what the hell is going on

I'm literally dead weight with this

[hushed jewel]

Omg me too

And the servers keep kicking me from games

[neon galleon]

So I would just like to point out that Cyclone means that Freja could fire out 3 of her explosive bolts in quick succession, also I THINK you can still pump out your actual crossbow shots while Seekerpoint is also pumping out the 3 automatic ones?

[vital surge]

this is unplayable

[ember kettle]

She can already fire out 3 of the explosive bolts in quick succession in normal gameplay

SO thats not farfetched

[neon galleon]

Yeah but here is another thing: seekerpoint’s auto bolts ALSO work with redux

[ember kettle]

OH SHE CAME OUT TODAY IN STADIUM !?!?

HOLD UP

Oh my fuck I love her so much more in 3rd person and I already loved her in first

[frozen reef]

anyone wanna play two games of stadium in a group rn to get the challenge done

[ember kettle]

SEISMIC SHOT?

JUST GIANT BOOM ARROWS?

hold the fuck up

[neon galleon]

OH WAIT, SEEKERPOINT IS AUTO-AIM-

[ember kettle]

seek point is gonna be DISGUSTING

HOLD THE FUCK UP

OH GOD

[neon galleon]

And since Seekerpoint’s bolts work with Redux and don’t take from your ammo pool-

[ember kettle]

Wait shes got a perk that uses her E to to reset her dash

So you can get to a point of firing like 5 explosive arrows in like 2 seconds

Oh god this has poetntial

[vital surge]

we all knew she'd be broken in Stadium. 😛

[neon galleon]

Portable zip line refreshes BOTH dash charges whenever she gets an elim at ALL

wait a minute… @ember kettle do you think the power that lets her shoot out her ult instead of an explosive bolt after using updraft works with cyclone?

Nope it doesn’t thank god for that-

Alright so cyclone, Seekerpoint, and redux are obviously really strong together but what would the fourth power for the combo be?

[verbal stratus]

any guides about stadium? i have like 10% winrate in that mode..

Do you play first or third person ?

[ember kettle]

I play 3rd. But its just preferance

[errant scarab]

who tf are the brainlets in charge of stadium balance

stop nerfing the only useful builds characters have without at least buffing the useless builds instead

[errant scarab]

follow meta or lose pretty much

[verbal stratus]

Which is? I like reaper and soldier in dmg, rein in tank, mercy, juno on support

[errant scarab]

used to be rein lucio but they got nerfed out of existence so now for tank it's orisa getting ult in 10 seconds

for dps is always mccree if u got aim, soldier for rocket spam, ashe for ability power and dynamite, reaper with atk, mei if you are horrendously bad at all the previous dps and just pick ability power ice ball

support mercy always, and either juno or moira are equal i think

[neon galleon]

Lucio is still pretty damn strong in terms of keeping the team alive

[errant scarab]

the reaper perk buff is an example of what they should have been doing

buff the bad one so people will use it more instead of nerfing the good one.
Imagine they nerfed the other, lifesteal after teleport reduced to 20% from 40% and lasts for 2 seconds from 3 seconds.

But no they buffed the terrible long range shot by making its refresh time the same as his regular primary fire. making it good.

They should be doing this for stadium instead of the nerfing good builds without doing anything ot bad ones

[hearty lodge]

What Freja builds have been working for you guys? im currently using this one:
https://stadiumbuilds.io/build/ce82f6be-1e36-4314-80c4-6e887e11c9fe
i've tried %AP with the bola Powers but im not liking having to wait for a 12 sec cooldown to use the cool stuff hahaha

i saw someone doing an infinite ammo build with insane attackspeed too

Wilhelmwagen - Power

Decreased healing from damage mitigated to 5% (down from 15%).

Dude they butchered Reinhardt!

[ember kettle]

Not true at all.

Yeah meta sucks to face but a good team with non meta will always beat the worse team even if they are using the meta

[ember kettle]

From the short like 2 minutes I saw in practice.
A explosive arrow spam build with WP is the way to go.

You get so many resets and thats her main strength in normal games, may as well amplify it

[acoustic kiln]

there is an infinite ammo freya build.

dont know how useful itll be in an actual game

just get the 4 max ammo buffing abiltiies and deep pockets

with some cooldown reduction

[hearty lodge]

Just get Deep Pockets with no extra ammo or cooldown reduction

no need to go so deep into that line of thought

[void pawn]

awh fs build isnt op anymore

[void pawn]

i dont think ammo really means much in overwatch

not really

[errant scarab]

shitass devs adding freja to stadium without prior testing

after nerfing all the other shit to death

[verbal stratus]

Damn , ow classic feels such a mess now

[errant scarab]

it took 2 or 3 weeks for them to completely ruin the cool new thing they added

[void pawn]

they only put freja in because shes popular in comp

i cant see any other justification

hold on they said theyd be putting junkrat n that in stadium on season 17 but they just so happen to drop freja mid season 16????

i say rigged

[errant scarab]

not because shes popular because she's the most recent addition they probably had the most work on her for stadium

[ember kettle]

You are overreacting so much to shit thate not true

Oh boy thr 55 to 60 win rate characters are being nerfed down yo 53% win rate. OH NO TBEY ARE SO DEAD

Even baby dva is still well and alive. You just cant abuse getting mech back instantly. It still serves the rest of the build fine.

Ana Sleep dart was a nerf to the afk ult farm ana. Ult to the good anas that are more reactive because its in a better burst.

Torpedo nerf aside Juno still has the strongest base kit in stadium imho

The nerfs arent impacting things nearly as much as you think they are.

[ember kettle]

Classic is gonna feel like one. Its classic. Classic and vanilla things being brought back is horrible. And goes inline with 6v6. They want 5v5 and stadium to be the main game modes. So all the actual changes are around those.

[hearty lodge]

no, because she's new and at the start was being shadowed by Stadium release

[hearty lodge]

with so many flying characters... i wonder how Junkrat will perform? 🤔

[ember kettle]

With how everythings going they wrr gonna make his primary aito lock on at reduced dmg pr make it a rocket like pharah

Calling it jow

Now

Poeple gotta remember. At the end of the day. Stadium is MEANT to be broken

They themselves admitted some things like lucio and reinhardt are too broken

But the game modes MEANT to be broken

Thats part of where the fun is in whacky broken shenanigans you wouldnt ever dream of being able to do in normal games

Just adapt and learn to play around them

[void pawn]

junkrat max weapon power build

would be horrorfying

actually no, placing down a random fucking mine somewhere and just casually nuking them from other side of the map

[ember kettle]

Gonna turn into peni from rivals real quick

[ember kettle]

Honestly though.
Ap Widow.

Its one thing still on my mind

AP Widow with powers to give her like 3-5 placeable mines

ANd just spam poison mine everyone

[zinc root]

what? bro they were probably working on adding her for a while even before season started.

[ember kettle]

People dont understand.
These characters and stadium, where in the making, before overwatch 2 even released.

So obviously the newer characters who were being worked on next to stadium, are going to be likely added before older

[proven knot]

freja 100% gets nerfed in a week

[lost turret]

Stadium is actually going to make me go crazy

It feels like unless im playing with a 5 stack ill just lose every single game

and even with a 5 stack as long as we lose the first round its just us getting rolled the next2/3

[earnest gazelle]

Freja's broken, no?

Seekerpoint, Forager, Redux, and Volley À Deux seems like a crazy weapon power build with good survivability

[chrome moon]

whattt she isnt broken cmon now (im a freya player)

[earnest gazelle]

Yes you are

[verbal lake]

Chat how do we feel about the balance patch?

[hushed jewel]

Insanely broken

[hushed jewel]

The bolo build is better

lille fælde, so cooked, and seismic shot are a broken combo when you get ability cooldowns and ability power up

Got to 7th round as freja and there wasn’t a second i wasn’t doing some form of damage

And against rein this shreds through him

[ember kettle]

Well first issue is you said round 7

If you went wp younprob wouldnt have needed to go round 7

:p

Dont see the logic in building for her ult when explosive arrow cd reset abuse with heat seeking auto aim bolts is just... Right there

Ap is bait as fuck

[void pawn]

im just chatting shit because people react

[acoustic kiln]

i wonder if attack speed effects kiriko's recharge time for her healing ofuda

it does

[harsh radish]

I HATE FREJAAAA

[neon galleon]

I’d say more as a little extra thing is better for AP than a full on build around it. You absolutely want the Tommy item if you pick Seekerpoint and at that point getting Kitsune will give your shots a little extra oomph which makes the power that can replace your explosive bolt with bola a bit more useable

Though to be fair to an AP build built around that power, it DOES effectively remove Bola’s biggest weakness

[verbal stratus]

Anyone up for 1-2 stadium matches in order to complete the challenge? (eu, novice)

[verbal stratus]

How to change to first person? is anyone playing first or third ?

[lyric stag]

whats the rank distribution in stadium rn?

[lyric stag]

settings, controls, stadium, camera perspective

i play in first cuz i like it to aim

[verbal stratus]

How can you change hero in stadium ?

[ember kettle]

You dont

[verbal stratus]

Damn why

I can't play this mode for real

[hearty lodge]

1st cause aim

[verbal stratus]

I can't like this game mode sadly

[neon galleon]

Because it ruins part of the mode’s fun, imagine if a Reaper could suddenly swapped into a fully decked out Soldier

[ember kettle]

Why? Because you cant swap characters lmao

[polar vigil]

do you guys also get the freja aim bug? do we know if the devs know?

[neon galleon]

Heck imagine if the tank could just use JQ to farm an absolute fuck ton of money and then swap into a fully decked out Firestrike Rein?

[ember kettle]

Hot take.

The idea of switching is ass

I have never liked it

It ruins the fun.

And at some point you are to worried about swapping to swap to play a counter instead of just staying on the character and learning how to be actually good at the game and deal with the counter and 80% of the game is now you sitting in spawn thinking.
"oh they swapped to ? time to swap to ?"

[neon galleon]

Part of the problem is how much OW2 put strength into counter swapping

[ember kettle]

Like its just not fucking fun.

[hexed arch]

what the best rein build for against orisa, soldier and cass (i feel dumb for asking this)

[ember kettle]

W key

[verbal stratus]

No1 reason i liked Ow instead of Paladins is that you can swap through match

[lyric stag]

if ur doin that bad as rein its prolly just ur build. I personally go fire strike build and u two tap their whole team out of spawn

[lyric stag]

fire strike. Rein build? Fire strike. They counter? keep going fire strike

u dont gotta defend your team if the enemy team is dead

[sharp current]

What do i do if my stadium game just breaks and cant connect to server 😭

Its been sat on the next mode for like 5 minutes

[lyric stag]

restart pc

or console

[grave pasture]

Support? Yeah I support my team by killing the enemies. Can't take damage if there's nobody to deal it

[sharp current]

Its just so cool how the devs took one of the greatest things they've ever added to this game and RUINED IT by adding Freja

Its just not fun

She is so overtuned and is uncontestable

If you have the worse Freja you lose the match

like i just dont wanna play lmao

She is in every single match and her relentless spam of her mini ults is so unfair

Its also so obvious they wanted her to be the best simply by the existence of "So Cooked"

Its literally 2 powers in one even though both of them could be there own power

She gets infinite ult charge via bounty hunting whilst also dealing absurd damage when she shoots the ground even with a mini ult.

[neon galleon]

Why did I get a Mercy that decided a good idea was to get the power that limits her to 3 REZS and then she WASTES them by rezing when we are by ourselves and surrounded by the entire enemy team….

[vital surge]

does Moira just hard counter Genji in stadium?

[flat elm]

Yea I think she's pretty busted rn, hopefully gets fixed soon ish

[flat elm]

not rly

you build just weap power ya

[vital surge]

I did, didn't matter, hitting her tickled for some reason

[flat elm]

were you just behind in gold

[vital surge]

I think she just had a ton of armor and shields.

[sharp current]

Unless they completely redesign her powers the game is permanently ruined lmao

[flat elm]

if shes building tanky then its fine, you dont need to focus her or anyhting

[sharp current]

Its not numbers its literally just the fact she has infinite cc

[flat elm]

she wont be doing much dmg or heal so just go for someone else

[vital surge]

I can't get to anyone else cause she kills me lol

[flat elm]

and ya, they gotta fix the powers

she just has too much mobility rn too

half the dps cant reach her

[sharp current]

Unkillable + unconstestable one shots

What am i supposed to do when she bola shots me as mercy and i die in one hit

what did i do wrong to cause that

[flat elm]

yea

[sharp current]

because it stops u in place

[flat elm]

i mainly play genji for dps so

i know the pain

on half the maps its alright, but on the open ones no one can reach

just need hs player or freja yourself

[sharp current]

im actually going to cry i was pro 1 and ive queued into the same top 500 ashe with a mercy pocket every game

i was so close to the skin

and i just cant win

its impossible

Ashe and Freja duo

like wtf am i supposed to do when nobody on my team is above diamond lol