overwatch-serious

[timber lily]

hating Mauga is the biggest sign of someone being a scrub ever

[broken lava]

why

[brittle mirage]

i like how this is where they insert the date night genji skin

[timber lily]

he has the easiest counterplay ever

[rare musk]

https://tenor.com/view/pibble-gif-8404313342629206599

[brittle mirage]

you can hate a character and be able to beat it

[fathom crane]

what are the things i rlly needa focus on when playing kiri??

[brittle mirage]

some people dislike things that are boring or repeatitive

[broken lava]

mauga is inoffensive tho i agree

[brittle mirage]

tho i personally dont rly mind mauga

[floral wing]

fucking stadium qp got q times like this

[brittle mirage]

i can understand why people hate mauga

[floral wing]

hello

[brittle mirage]

idk stadium queue times always shorter than the game says they are for me

[broken lava]

the only rly annoying thing about mauga is cage and like, that’s just an ult

[idle kernel]

I onced wanted to play stadium qp on eu servers at night

[brittle mirage]

cage is just a good ult and i think its actually a well designed one

[floral wing]

yeah its prob gonna be shorter but unfortunately i am queueing for support too

[broken lava]

i wouldnt change cage

[idle kernel]

I gave up after half an hour of waiting

[feral mango]

I had to think for a long time on this one tbh

[spring musk]

how do i unlock tenacious hero for the hide name in streamer mode? idk how to check how many wins I got in ow2, in general I got 953

[broken lava]

still it def does feel annoying to be targeted by cage but whatever

ults should be influential

[west niche]

1.wingstop
2.any family owned fried chicken place
3.popeyes

[long yoke]

Cage is fine

If hes not careful he dies in his own cage anyway

[brittle mirage]

a lot of ow2 ppl just have trauma from battle pass mauga being broken but i do think its kind of a problem that the character's kit is that one dimensional

[broken lava]

McDonalds and no where else

[feral mango]

Hooters

[twin wing]

:0

[long yoke]

Its strong but without being careful youre cookrd

[fickle blade]

it's so dead

[west niche]

is hooters even fast food

[brittle mirage]

mauga is like third-tier when it comes to characters id mechanically revise or rework

id get there eventually but not asap

[broken lava]

nobody eats at hooters anymore bro

[long yoke]

All of them, it makes you look like a depressed overworked office worker

[feral mango]

Idk ive literally never seen a hooters

I live in the countryside

[broken lava]

yeah its a dying business

[broken lava]

no

[long yoke]

Goodbye hooters. Hello femboy hoothers

[broken lava]

depends how you define fast food tho

[west niche]

family owned fast food is always good for some reason

some random small family with a fried chicken store

max 2 customers

talks to you like family

[long yoke]

Istg the best pulled pork ive ever had in my life is from some random family owned food stall 20mins away from the main road

[twin wing]

oh wows

[broken lava]

because most non family restaurants all use the same supplier

cisco

so their food is all the same

[brittle mirage]

family owned restaurants have actual stakes behind making their business succeed so theyre either fucking peak or they dont survive more than 12 months

[west niche]

is costco still good

[broken lava]

yes

makes sense. they lose money on all the food they sell im p sure

[dark scroll]

intent to keep the noob saf

[upper socket]

Guys I went 2-10 today

Wow

[past adder]

or they are both, theyre peak and stll dont survive more than 12 months

[fathom crane]

what are the things i rlly needa focus on when playing kiri??

[feral mango]

No they usually have a local cult following and tend to be mid

[fickle blade]

focus on swapping to symmetra

[feral mango]

I frequent these places fr

[polar yew]

Hi

[fathom crane]

alr play sym when i play dps but i wnna be able 2 play supp asw

[hallow ridge]

Aim, Suzu, and you aren’t the mc

[polar yew]

Make sure you stay alive

If you need to suzu urself to live then do it

[feral mango]

Ima put my head in a microwave like that one family guy clip

[fickle blade]

mercy was made for uu

[fathom crane]

how do i get btr @ the kunais i feel like im fine w them upclose but not rlly farther away

[polar yew]

Because more often then not you are the main healing and if you die your team follows

[fathom crane]

ew nty

[fathom crane]

rlly??

[polar yew]

Yes

[fathom crane]

aii igy

[hallow ridge]

Be alert, people want to kill the Kiri

[polar yew]

Remember if you die the enemy gains more confidence to push up because your team is down a support

[hallow ridge]

When I play tank I always try to catch an off guard Kiri

[fathom crane]

ive rlly only played her in qp so i havent rlly noticed ths 😭

[hallow ridge]

That’s just general, she isn’t a sniper just try to hit shots and the more you play the better you’ll get overtime

[fathom crane]

yee ok makes sense fr

[fathom crane]

ohh okok igy

can i hard flank w her asw?

n jus tp back when ppl need healing

[hallow ridge]

I wouldn’t necessarily say that, you should still keep an eye on your team and you can flank with downtime, but minimize cooldown usage so that if possible you don’t need to use tp

[fickle blade]

just try going with another flanker dpss

[brittle mirage]

suzu value and good rotations

thats basically the gist of kiri's strength and skill expression

[feral mango]

There's some pixel wide spots you can just spam through sometimes

[hallow ridge]

Play around cover as well, a Kiri out in the open is a targeted Kiri

[fathom crane]

what gives a suzu value except 4 cleansing

[fathom crane]

thas crazy

[brittle mirage]

the invulnerability is by far the strongest part of the cooldown

[fathom crane]

ohhh thas smart

[earnest tendon]

How do you hold wallride on a cylinder object to go around on it

[brittle mirage]

can nullify ultimates or deny resources spent on an approach in a snap

[hallow ridge]

It can save from other big cooldowns, like a dva bomb or something else huge

[brittle mirage]

if you use suzu correctly it should always be a positive resource trade in your team's favor

[fathom crane]

so like a sierra ult gets countered by a good suzu

[brittle mirage]

most ults are

[fathom crane]

aii ill keep tht in mind fr

[brittle mirage]

also most key cooldowns like nade, not just bc of the cleanse

but also bc the invul denying followup to the nade

which is probably just as impactful as the cleanse itself

[high quail]

is tr33 any good?

[hallow ridge]

And don’t just use it for cleanse, keep in mind the other teams ults, see if they have anything big coming up

[brittle mirage]

top NA player and active pro

[fathom crane]

im p sure u can jus hold space rite

[brittle mirage]

i think he made owwc usa team

[earnest tendon]

not working

[brittle mirage]

this year

[sonic otter]

Think he’s one of the top na dps

[fathom crane]

ohhh okok so its not just a auto use when u see 2 ppl w ana nade or on fire

[sonic otter]

Did you play him?

[brittle mirage]

yes

its not just 'burst heal' button

[fathom crane]

ify

[brittle mirage]

i mean it is a burst heal button but thats not the way to get maximum value out of it

[hallow ridge]

If it’s a huge nade or something that can exponentially give value then you can cleanse, but her Suzu is her biggest game changer

[brittle mirage]

it is legit the best cooldown in the game at the highest level of play

[fickle blade]

until symmetra steps in

[fathom crane]

damn thas crazy

[brittle mirage]

tp do be pretty close but we do also be far out of a symm meta right now

[hallow ridge]

Also consistently heal, you don’t just throw kunais, flank, and you cooldowns, you have heals as well

[feral mango]

The gap will literally be smaller than the Kunai and ill see people just spam it and just land cus people have to go through its path with cart and aren't expecting shit to fly through a wall

Not really like

A tip for improvement

Just a thing that exists

[fathom crane]

yeee i got the healing part down lowk i feel like i get 5k consistently

[fickle blade]

because she deserves a support rework but it's still the best cooldown

[hallow ridge]

You said you play qp right

[fathom crane]

i mean if it helps its improvement

[fathom crane]

ye im not good enough for comp 🙅‍♀️

[brittle mirage]

theres two schools of thought to playing kiri

[feral mango]

It doesnt always help cus some kiris will find these pixel peaks and just sit on it forgetting what the fuck is happening around them

[hallow ridge]

It’s okay I only just started getting my predicted rank

[feral mango]

Cus "hehe they cant see me shoot at them"

[fathom crane]

😭

[fathom crane]

whts a predicted rank??

[brittle mirage]

youre either a cuck sitting in the backline afking heals until you see the enemy commit resources to counter with a suzu and farm kitsune or you just leave your team and click heads for 120 damage until your team is tryna commit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332083085017219076/1497310829031194634/image0.gif

[hallow ridge]

The first 10 games in comp are evaluating where you should be places based on wins/losses

[fathom crane]

the 2nd option is way more fun rite

[brittle mirage]

fun's subjective

either way this character has been permameta for like

[upper socket]

There is a inbetween tbh

[brittle mirage]

3-4 years atp

[brittle mirage]

ye its more like a spectrum for most players

[upper socket]

She has no downsides

[fathom crane]

ikik but for most ppl the 2nd seems more fun

[hallow ridge]

Do you want to play with one hand, or do you want to be engaged 24/7

[brittle mirage]

im just listing the two extreme cases

[fathom crane]

oohhhh okok i gettit

[upper socket]

Damn what is even bad about Kiri

[brittle mirage]

idk i didnt poll kiri players

[upper socket]

I remember when she had the double TP perk

Wow

[fathom crane]

i mean i play to play so prolly b engaged

[fathom crane]

ify

[brittle mirage]

shes mid when suzu is on cooldown

thats basically it

[upper socket]

Eh

That’s like not even

[brittle mirage]

not bad

just mid

[upper socket]

Yeah not even bad

[ebon jungle]

she is balanced

[upper socket]

Just meh

[brittle mirage]

that is a statement

[upper socket]

I still think she’s a bit like

[ebon jungle]

how

[upper socket]

Needs a rework

[ebon jungle]

there are much better healers

[upper socket]

She’s too good imo

[brittle mirage]

is it not a statement

[ebon jungle]

mercy need nerf

[hallow ridge]

The enemy team sees you and decides it’s your time

[fathom crane]

jus let the kunai do less headshot dmg 😭

[ebon jungle]

and moira need nerf she heal and damage to much

[fathom crane]

120 is tm icl

[upper socket]

U jus tp and Suzu

[high quail]

Is there an argument that Juno is a main support?

[brittle mirage]

no

[earnest tendon]

no

[brittle mirage]

main support players do not pick juno

[fathom crane]

is there different supports??

[brittle mirage]

not one team does so

[hallow ridge]

Hasn’t she been nerfed into the ground btw

[upper socket]

Ew I just remembered brig juno

[brittle mirage]

this refers to pro-level terminology

[fathom crane]

oh ion needa kno allat

[upper socket]

Like in pro play there’s flex Supp and main Supp nothing major other than in pro play

[brittle mirage]

main and flex support are just the common hero pools that pro support players partition between each other to maximize their specialties in comps

[hallow ridge]

Which they try to feed new players, it just overcomplicates it

[upper socket]

Damn u said it way better than me 😭

[brittle mirage]

thats the shrimple explanation

[hallow ridge]

New players need to learn mechanics, fundamentals, and general gameplay experience

[brittle mirage]

its really not that complicated

[hallow ridge]

I say this because I am new

[brittle mirage]

idk why people have a hard time explaining ts

but i dont dump it onto new players bc they dont need to know ts

[upper socket]

Nah I jus find it like not that important tbh

[hallow ridge]

That’s what I’m saying

[earnest tendon]

i actually feel so dumb how do you on lucio hold wall ride on like a pillar

[brittle mirage]

ye for 95% of players the main advice i tell support players is to not pick mercy moira and weaver and you are good

just dont pick a throw hero and you can play the game acceptably

[fathom crane]

does this mean i should be using it when i have it most the time asw or is it btr to just hold it for when its applicable

[brittle mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332083085017219076/1497310829031194634/image0.gif

[hallow ridge]

Pretty much, other than stadium

But obviously this isn’t stadium

[brittle mirage]

stadium is basically a different game so ye

[hallow ridge]

I love me some bap

[upper socket]

Is stadium worth playing haven’t played a single game of stadium

[hallow ridge]

And with his new regen burst buff

It’s wondrous

[brittle mirage]

the answer is hard to understand if youre new but the idea is that you just use it when you know its going to provide extremely high value

[broken lava]

it’s like carnival food. an experience. nice for what it is

[earnest tendon]

try it and if you like it then its worth playing

[hallow ridge]

It’s really fun, much more chaotic, but you should try it at least once

[brittle mirage]

it is not a cooldown you want to just throw away selfishly bc you dont like missing 50hp

[broken lava]

but not something you do all the time

[feral mango]

Kiri lowkirk strongest supp in game

[brittle mirage]

its got an extremely high opportunity cost which is why using or misusing suzu is the main way you diff good and bad kiris

[fathom crane]

is it ok 2 use it on myself if i die otherwise tho

[hallow ridge]

One of the most influential characters in the game

[upper socket]

Ohhhh I thought people just exclusively play stadium

[earnest tendon]

RS THO does anyone know how to stay wallriding on a pillar

[fathom crane]

ahhhh okok ill try 2 focus on the suzus then

[hallow ridge]

I play both

[upper socket]

Jus keep staying on it

[brittle mirage]

yes if youre gonna die and cant tp in time use it to live

living is good

but obviously you do not want to be in a situation where suzu is forced out

[earnest tendon]

ur actually weird btw

[brittle mirage]

as thats basically the counterplay to kiri

[feral mango]

Kiri legit the first person I force cds on half the time I play dive

[hallow ridge]

Hold forward and make sure you look the direction, keep on it

[upper socket]

Living is overrated bee lien straight for their back line throw 2 Kunais miss both and blame ur team

[brittle mirage]

which is why the second part of the story if being able to rotate cleverly and use tp to not be pressured easily

[fathom crane]

so when tht happens i prolly had bad positioning rite

[brittle mirage]

otherwise suzu value gets denied

[upper socket]

😂 nah fr tho idk how to stay on pillars myself

[high quail]

Who's the best tank player in pro play?

[feral mango]

Tanks fault tbh

[hallow ridge]

Nobody wants to see a Kiri with Suzu still available

[upper socket]

Fax

[earnest tendon]

liar

[brittle mirage]

active? uhhh

[earnest tendon]

this does not work

[brittle mirage]

tuff to say tbh

[feral mango]

I would know im a tank

[hallow ridge]

Worked for me

[upper socket]

Ziyad imo

I feel like he’s up there

[brittle mirage]

tvnt and ziyad are easy picks

[upper socket]

Yeah

[hallow ridge]

I got potg around a cylinder beaming the enemies with heal on

[brittle mirage]

i think donghak would be up there if he wasnt on a team with cashapp players

[upper socket]

Yall I think ZETA gonna win something major

[upper socket]

😭

[high quail]

Why is twisted minds so stacked?

[upper socket]

Yh so it’s your fault I died on Kiri

[brittle mirage]

saudi money gets good talent and good contracts

[earnest tendon]

ok but im trying what u said and its not working

[upper socket]

💵

[upper socket]

Trust me I got u just stay on it

[hallow ridge]

Check your settings, do you have the let go on release on or off?

What isn’t working, are you not moving or going off

[earnest tendon]

off

backwards wallride on

[feral mango]

And its ny fault half my team stood out of cover and got shot by hitscans across the map

[earnest tendon]

going off

[unreal tide]

i lowkey just want a pump shotgun hero

[hallow ridge]

Try a different cylinder

[upper socket]

Yes it is ur fault why did u not take space

[upper socket]

Reaper?

[hallow ridge]

Reaper alt fire, play stadium there are entire builds around it

[unreal tide]

akimbo semi auto

[upper socket]

#WINSTONbuff when

[hallow ridge]

THIS

[upper socket]

Need my boy to get buffed

[hallow ridge]

he’s not bad

I just love him

[ebon jungle]

winston is good wdym??

[brittle mirage]

bro is the only player to pick doom and win in pro play you cannot tell me this guy isnt insane at the video game

[upper socket]

Nah he’s not bad rn I play him a lot just love Winston

[high quail]

Bruh there's an owner for E-sports teams funding the team?

[upper socket]

No he’s not mentally sane he’s something else

[upper socket]

Saudi government fund the e sports

I play rocket league they fund twisted minds and falcons in rocket league too

[hallow ridge]

I play Winston, Rein, and Rein mostly

[brittle mirage]

well theres a difference between funding the team

[upper socket]

Ew

[hallow ridge]

With a good bit of ram

[upper socket]

Perv

[brittle mirage]

and theres a different between investing greatly into the team

[hallow ridge]

?

[unreal tide]

"play stadium" brutal 💔

[brittle mirage]

to get the best talent and contracts

[hallow ridge]

Only way to get that

[brittle mirage]

which is what the saudi money is

and is why emea has eclipsed korea as the best region over the last few years

[upper socket]

I play Winton haz ball and sig

[hallow ridge]

I swear I said orisa mostly

I swear

[upper socket]

In overwatch it’s like that but other games they just pick the best players pay them 2x

[upper socket]

PERV

Rein is disgustingc

Hate rein

[hallow ridge]

No he isn’t

Rein is so much fun

[upper socket]

No he’s not

That’s why he’s useless in pro play like

[hallow ridge]

Sure you feed if you can’t manage spacing but still

[upper socket]

Swinging this massive ass hammer

[brittle mirage]

oh also another big mention for best tank player out there

infekted

lowk best player in all of na

im so serious

[upper socket]

Ehh idk

[upper socket]

Woah

I mean

[hallow ridge]

You’re just mad that I can pin a Winston in a room and he can’t 1v1 me

[upper socket]

Lowkey now that I think about it ur not wrong who’s better

[unreal tide]

not much of a bar to clear there

[upper socket]

😂

[brittle mirage]

lol

[cold helm]

na js has terrible tank players

legit js hawk and infekted

[upper socket]

Hawk is goated

[hallow ridge]

What’s the name of that one Winston player

The one that’s really good

Yo my signal is trash

[feral mango]

What kind of hawk

[upper socket]

The mmm

[unreal tide]

idk but theres two, uh, i think

[upper socket]

Umm*

[upper socket]

Guxue*?

He’s by far the best Winston or junbin

[feral mango]

Osprey? Red tailed? Northern harrier? Those are the only Hawks i know...

[hallow ridge]

That guy, yes

[heavy python]

Can we buff balls perk adaptive barrier

[upper socket]

Fuh no

I play ball and it’s lowkey

Kinda good

[unreal tide]

hawk tung tung tuah

[brittle mirage]

guxue not even korean 💔 fake winston player truly

[open pier]

aauraa

[feral mango]

Yea youre done

[hallow ridge]

Helps with cc

[upper socket]

600cc motorbike I agree

[feral mango]

Is this the barony gnomes? I hate those guys.

[brittle mirage]

only if we buff dva matrix

[upper socket]

Remember that one period in time

When she would eat everything in her sight

[hallow ridge]

For sure

[upper socket]

And it was just disgusting

[heavy python]

Lol

[feral mango]

Jeeb jib

[brittle mirage]

i remember when matrix was an uninterruptible 10 second cooldown ability

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332083085017219076/1497310829031194634/image0.gif

[light violet]

Alright unc

[ebon jungle]

they need to nerf soldier

[upper socket]

..

[brittle mirage]

im lowk the same age as most pro players nowadays i should have locked in when i was a 13 year old chud playing on my ps4

i would have made big money

[upper socket]

Soldiers lowkey buns

[ebon jungle]

no he literally has aimbot

[upper socket]

Yh but

[granite pond]

i just got in a custom game with yukaripoi but she left :((

[upper socket]

I mean

He has no burst of damage like

[plucky lodge]

can someone explain this broken ban phase, how can only 1 hero be banned when my team banned 9 differencht heroes?

[upper socket]

Souj is just better

[upper socket]

They pick the most picked hero of ur teams bans

[unreal tide]

soldier should get rocket resets on elims like genji 💯

[upper socket]

Wasn’t that a perk?

[brittle mirage]

infekted is 19 you know im right chat

[feral mango]

https://youtu.be/_Pg74_zCe5g?si=t3Bawth_IBDDevb2

[upper socket]

🫩

Unc

Hang up the mouse

[remote fractal]

gulp

[brittle mirage]

its true

[feral mango]

Soldier is buns

[upper socket]

Ew

[high quail]

then who qualifies as a main support then

[granite pond]

i mean bro got to m1

[proven fog]

Your votes put a set amount of points toward banning a certain hero with your first vote being the most important and then second and third, it will only ban the two heroes that had the most points towards them

[high quail]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-the-aura-gif-2347929915833160550

[granite pond]

ig its working for him

[brittle mirage]

lucio brig wuyang weaver mercy illari* cat*

[feral mango]

Bros got 200 hours less than my most played game oat on comp alone. Still masters.

[high quail]

Nah he's fine, reliable but nothing crazy

[remote fractal]

this is my gm friend WHAT IS UP WITH SOLDIER OTPS TODAY

[unique copper]

I mean hes not a very skillful hero but hes not buns

[feral mango]

After having the same amount of time I have in my most played game ever

[granite pond]

:<

[upper socket]

Straight buns

[floral wing]

god this recolor is genuinely shit

[feral mango]

Only character whos ult is less effective the better you are. Not ineffective sure... but less

[granite pond]

pushing grandmaster on a shitty hitscan pick doesnt seem bad to me

[unique copper]

I hate all of them i dont like the purple at all

[upper socket]

Whats the worst ult in the game

Lowkey I think it’s Hanzo

[ebon jungle]

zen

[unique copper]

Probably visor honestly

[upper socket]

Nahhhh it’s good

[granite pond]

idk ive saved my team from zarya grav with ts

[restive ember]

widow sights

[feral mango]

Lowkirk

[upper socket]

Buns

[feral mango]

Erm

[high quail]

Genuinely what do any of these characters have in common?
Like for DPS its pretty easy to see what they were going for in the divided categories

[brave island]

S76 is just mediocre but good enough to climb on ranked since you can be self sufficient on him

[brittle mirage]

main support players pick them

[floral wing]

deadeye maybe

[brittle mirage]

thats the only common denominator

[unique copper]

Good quick reload

[upper socket]

Yeah this and hanzos ult imo

[floral wing]

only reason people use it tho

[brittle mirage]

at the highest level play, support players divide which heroes to specialize in to maximize the number of good comps they can run

[unique copper]

Visor just stops u from shooting for like 2 seconds

[brittle mirage]

for example one player will specialize in kiri and one will specialize in lucio

[past adder]

ur telling me ur not happy with ugly ass recolors and a couple lootboxes? the multibillion dollar company clearly can't do more

[floral wing]

brings nothing besides another reload in high ranks

[brittle mirage]

so both players are specialized in their characters to run kiri lucio

[high quail]

Then what makes a main support player a main support player? Because look at this

[feral mango]

Sprint and a heal is great for a kit id say but I just don't care for visor at all

[brittle mirage]

main support is just one of the categories

[unique copper]

Its useless

[restive ember]

its just meta patterns, the heroes dont need to have anything in common, just a term to divide the heroes into roles that make sense

[brittle mirage]

theyre running a double flex comp

[unique copper]

If you already have good enough aim its fine

[floral wing]

its because blizz is an indie company not a multibillion dollar one this is the best they can do 🥺

[feral mango]

Helix perk makes it less useless

[brittle mirage]

kiri and juno are typically played by the flex support player

[unique copper]

Its good for the quick reload tho if theres a bunch of ppl who are low

[high quail]

Did they sub in flex players?

[brittle mirage]

but not always

[brave island]

I just use it to help the tank make space or to force some type of reaction since it’s easier not to die to it

[brittle mirage]

no they just have those heroes as a pocket pick

[past adder]

ye we all know the green line must go up by 100% per quarter or they will bankrupt

[upper socket]

Guys ur gonna see me playing for ZETA next year.. 🫩

Trus the process

[feral mango]

Imagine cat bastion with visor in turret form

[brittle mirage]

ironically i think kiri juno is pretty bad from both teams due to how vulnerable this backline is to tracer but its fine bc both teams are mirroring it for some reason

[high quail]

Then why did they not pick another common msupp?

[unique copper]

100% is way too low what are you talking about

[hallow ridge]

I use it pretty much when I need to focus on something else or when my team is wiped or getting there because why not

[brittle mirage]

this is still a question that confuses many about this match

[unique copper]

Obviously they need to triple their income

[brittle mirage]

kiri juno is not common at pro level

[hallow ridge]

My biggest philosophy, never go down without a pick

[brittle mirage]

in fact its highly uncommon

[brave island]

That’ll be in Stadium I’m sure

[brittle mirage]

especially into tracer

which is why it was kind of boggling to see both teams mirror this

[restive ember]

i wouldnt say highly uncommon

lucio is banned then some sort of juno comp is very common, either juno brig or juno kiri

[brittle mirage]

most teams prefer juno brig especially against the tracer, which both teams like to run

[hallow ridge]

Lucio is main right?

[brittle mirage]

which is why juno kiri is only usually picked if both lucio and tracer are out of the picture due to bans or map choice

which is, pretty rare

[feral mango]

Melee dps with free flight

[hallow ridge]

What defines a main or flex support

[brittle mirage]

hero pools at the pro level

synergies in comps

is another way to think about it

[hallow ridge]

Then why do they have names?

[brittle mirage]

but as i said above

[brittle mirage]

pros use these names themselves

to refer to their specialties

[hallow ridge]

Interesting

[restive ember]

since mauga is banned i think kiri might just be prefered tho, also cuz both teams have really strong kiri players

[brittle mirage]

more convenient than listing out

'i play lucio brig wuyang....' or 'i play kiri juno ana...' every time

especially when players tend to specialize adjacently or simillarly

[restive ember]

brig is better i think if its a mauga mirror

[brittle mirage]

so you just say main or flex

[high quail]

So this is proplay roles as I understand them

[brittle mirage]

i understand where this is coming from

im still skeptic of it due to the tracer

but i get the idea

[high quail]

Plus Lucio banned so no speed boost

[brittle mirage]

it might have honestly just been a last minute comfort-pick situation from both teams

[restive ember]

yuh said that already, thats why they play juno

[brittle mirage]

tracer and reaper are somewhat oddballs bc pretty much every dps player must be able to have a tracer and pretty much any dps player can just pick up reaper if the meta demands it

but yes pretty much

[restive ember]

nah dont think so

[pallid oriole]

[unreal tide]

deadass gotta go back to mdps fdps

[brave island]

I think Junkrat might be a FDPS, not sure about Torb though

[ebon jungle]

nerf reinhart

[high quail]

Junk is weird because he has no use in pro play. Torb is a jack of all trades so he could do both I guess @unreal tide @brave island

[unique copper]

Torb is actually a great hero

[high quail]

Here its updated

[feral mango]

I love dive torb

[viscid pawn]

isnt tracer played by both hdps and fdps tho, like depending on the meta and stuff

[high quail]

Whenever the enemy team has a dive hero, just go Torb and dare the Fdps to actually have the mechanics and game sense to adapt

[unique copper]

What is the difference between flex and main supports

I keep getting diff answers everywhere i look

[brittle mirage]

player specialization pools

there is no mechanical common ground

[restive ember]

why does torb have his own category 😭

[high quail]

Yes but usually she's slotted in Fdps majority of the time

[unreal tide]

cus its pretty arbitrary

[viscid pawn]

cause its torb

[brittle mirage]

players just look at good comps and specialize in different heroes to maximize the number of good comps they can play well

[viscid pawn]

fair enough, was just asking cause i play hdps but i also play tracer XD

[high quail]

Because he can kinda fill both roles theoretically

[unique copper]

He deserves it

[restive ember]

youre right im sorry

[brittle mirage]

its terms used by actual pros to describe these terms

in fact korean pros actually use the term 'main dps' over hitscan

to further emphasize that these roles are not about mechanical patterns

[high quail]

Most of the time FDPS=Tracer player who occasionally plays one of the other fdps if they're hard meta

[brittle mirage]

just meta recognition and player specialization choices

[unreal tide]

that WAS the term back in OW1/OWL

idk why it just changed to hitscan all of a sudden

[vapid furnace]

How do I claim the free lootbox from the webtoon?

[brittle mirage]

na ruining everything as #usual...

[unique copper]

Shh

[viscid pawn]

i mean now main dps or mdps would make more sense cause you have heroes who arent physically hitscan in that group which would cause less confusion buttt hdps has just been the term for so long it makes sense that it still is

[feral mango]

Dude I lowkey cant help but flank/push the enemy backline as torb. Hammer perk go brrrr

[high quail]

You remember that Cass meta around season 10 or 11

Last time I saw Genji in proplay

[viscid pawn]

talking about metas is just making me wonder what the meta is right now, havent been keeping up with the higher level of play or anything lately just been focused on myself more

[broken lava]

i like hitscan more to describe mdps

[brave island]

It just gets weird because Hitscan has a definition by default in this genre, but now we’re operating on 2 different definitions in this specific game

[broken lava]

because if u call it hs then you can call it shitscan and insult them

[crisp basalt]

Hitscan just feels right ngl

[unreal tide]

widow is the mercy of the DPS role

[crisp basalt]

Even if it's wrong

[high quail]

Sometimes Fdps just isn't working for me so I just go double hitscan and it works in ranked ngl

[brittle mirage]

you play jetpack cat and you carry bastion around to melt the enemy team

this is not a joke

this is the actual pro meta now

[west tundra]

usually tanks are now divided into dive/ground

[unreal tide]

because its ranked

[brittle mirage]

i dont think ive seen pros use those terms

[high quail]

Actually yeah I can see that. Poke never really existed for tanks

[high quail]

Sometimes less is more in ladder

[west tundra]

tracer, reaper, sombra, bap, can sometimes be hybrid roles too but the rest of it is pretty accurate

[restive ember]

list is perfect btw

[feral mango]

Bunkah

Brawl

Mog uhh

Sometimes i hope I have brain damage and im not just built wrong

[queen grail]

whenevers spilo made a video on how to fix a hero have devs actually ever implemented the ideas?

[high quail]

While that's true most of the time they're filling that pro play niche

[unreal tide]

i dont think the devs have ever implement changes from a youtube video

[feral mango]

Who is spilo and why do we care about their opinions if they aint in chat with us

[west tundra]

yeah it just comes down to what the players are comfortable doing

[queen grail]

im confused on why spilo makes these videos in the first place then. also spilo is a overwatch coach that devs have actually listened to before

[unreal tide]

spark discussion

[west tundra]

sometimes shu might just force bap into a dive comp

and die

[feral mango]

Usually its a content creators job to make videos. If there's a character people feel has an issue making a video literally based around changing that hero it brings in views

[high quail]

Ever since coming back to OW in season 1 I've basically been purely a DPS player because it's my lowest rank

[queen grail]

it just feels kinda sad to watch since a lot of times the ideas are good but devs instead just give roadhog and sombra 50 more useless reworks

[brittle mirage]

the videos he makes are just to start dialogue or provide game design analysis, the times where he is directly or indirectly engaging with the team on design its usually more behind closed doors

[west tundra]

tbf i don't think every cc has ulterior motives or nefarious reasons to make a video on changing a problematic hero

sometimes it's also just a creative outlet to fix a problem they notice

[brittle mirage]

like ideating the minor perk reworks for mei around season 22-ish

[feral mango]

I mean. Isn't that how it always goes in any game ever? Community/syreamer/youtuber has good idea. Devs dont play their own game well enough to consider it.

[queen grail]

i wanted to hope that the devs did play their game enough to know it well

[west tundra]

also, ccs might have ideas that sound good but aren't actually good

[feral mango]

I dont really think what I said means he's doing anything nefarious

[queen grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov0wk9rGmio this is the newest video i watched

damn no embed

[broken lava]

^ Spilo talks abt this too. He acknowledges that his ideas actually would need to be tested

[feral mango]

They can play a game a lot but if theyre playing at a silver level they have a silver pov

[high quail]

TBF most game devs probably are to busy actually trying to create, code, impliment the changes that they don't have the time to actually take the deep dive

[west tundra]

that's why most of my suggestions for balance changes i have at least tested in custom games before advocating

but even that has a lot of inherent bias

because it's just people ik testing them

[feral mango]

They have a day off im sure someone on the dev team clocks off work, goes home, plays some OW

[west tundra]

and is super limited

[broken lava]

I don’t even bother suggesting balancing changes. above my paygrade. I just point out what doesn’t work

balance is hard

[west tundra]

that's kinda what a healthy fanbase should be like

[high quail]

People overreact about balance changes just to be hardstuck plat either way

[west tundra]

players point out problem

devs job to find out how to fix it

[broken lava]

yup

[unreal tide]

i caved its too peak damn it

[feral mango]

ANYWAYS if you sit and look at some of the shit blizzard adds to hearthstone battlegrounds and how they buff/nerf/rework cards throughout the season... then come over and look at OW... its clear where they put all the thinkers 🧠

[feral mango]

That burd aint doing nothing why it there

[broken lava]

the most analysis i can do really is just pointing out what concepts just don’t work when designing new heroes

based on what we know already

what people think is “fun”

[brittle mirage]

again we know that people in the game design and balance team have a connection to spilo and we recently learned that he was actually nearly accepted into a position at blizz in the game design division for the ow team but the stuff he makes on this channel is ultimately content

[queen grail]

a few of spilos points on sierra was:

• drone premise was cool but more focus should be on it with either power and/or tech and the lack of any amount of tech with it when even junos simple mobility still has vertical climbing
• low ranks do not use cover and often group up which sierra can hyper capitalize on, creating a disconnect between low and high rank performance
• grenade is sauceless

[brittle mirage]

its just trying to be intelligent or dialogue rather than pure ragebait

[feral mango]

I genuinely cant even pick who to ban and im a tank main 🗿 so half my games if I dont pick bans half my team doesnt or their bans suck.... anyways if I cant pick bans ion commenting on who needs a nerf

[brittle mirage]

they will not just look at his videos and listen to have with no thought

but he sometime helps them its just not on a camera

[feral mango]

This is what everyone has been saying about her tho

[broken lava]

just ban who you dont want to fight its not hard

[brittle mirage]

like we know he playtested the s1 heroes

[feral mango]

Especially the first bullet point

[brittle mirage]

and we know he helped rework at least a few perks in the past

[west tundra]

yeah we don't really know what makes for good game design, people qualified in game design should do that. But what we specialize in is playing a ton and knowing what we don't like

[feral mango]

Yea but like there's nobody i dont want to fight

Who do I ban if I dont care who im fighting

[upbeat vessel]

Guys why is spawn camping throwing?

[feral mango]

Touching spawn doors bad

[upbeat vessel]

Why

[feral mango]

How often do you kill the people in spawn

[broken lava]

to a certain extent. we’re not experts ofc. But there are a lot of concepts that we’ve seen done on fps over the years and how people have reacted to them

[feral mango]

They build ult off you

[west tundra]

spawn camping isn't bad if your enemy doesn't have walkup discipline

[broken lava]

like for example

[upbeat vessel]

Oh ye that makes sense

[broken lava]

we know that melee heroes are essentially never going to work

[west tundra]

spawn camping is bad when your enemy can counterplay it

[upbeat vessel]

I thought I was giving up ground for no reason

[west tundra]

then you just have to back off and play in a better setup

[broken lava]

because people historically do not like fighting melee in fps games

[brittle mirage]

spawn camping is a weird way of stalling a fight

not really winning a fight

you cannot win a fight while spawn camping

[feral mango]

Although if youre in low elo and the enemy team is walking out of spawn 1 at a time and you see a support walk put solo sure. Bomb them.

[brittle mirage]

and players recognize that winning is better than stalling

[west tundra]

usually spawn camping isn't done if it puts you in a very disadvantageous position and puts you out of being able to fight in a really strong position

[queen grail]

does melee work in fps if you make them non feast or famine as well as giving them a ranged ability?

[brittle mirage]

which is why youd rather allow the enemy to commit and then punish it rather than just sitting where theyre safe

[west tundra]

some teams might have really bad walkups which you can punish tho

[high quail]

I always ban Bastion Pharah and Zen on tank because they're the tank shredders

[feral mango]

That and your team won't build ults while theirs can. Their supports won't get dove so their dps and tank can stand in spawn doors (out of the spawn healing area) and just fill ult meter

[upbeat vessel]

Ye low elo, dropped from silver 4 to bronze 1 today, I'm not even bad it's not my fault 😭

[west tundra]

iirc there are times where tier 1 teams have abused spawncamping

[queen grail]

in hero/class shooter history reinhardt seemed like the only melee character to ever work (in overwatch 1) and idk why

why did reinhardt work a lot better than anything else before or after?

[feral mango]

Bastion I usually beat by... baiting turret then walking around a corner that takes him 6 years to round

[brittle mirage]

i think this is just one of the reasons why stalling a fight is worse than winning a fight

[west tundra]

because he had 5 other people to handle everything he sucked at

[feral mango]

Yea

[broken lava]

^

[west tundra]

the more people you have, the more you can get away with specialization

[high quail]

Now he only has 4

[broken lava]

Rein also worked because Rein is actually a real tank. He doesn’t need to get kills to create space.

[brittle mirage]

ow1 was less mobile and the game just had less tanks

[west tundra]

kinda like how in a small company you have many jobs

[brittle mirage]

thats really the gist of it

[west tundra]

in a large company you have very narrow jobs

[brittle mirage]

think of all the reworked or added characters throughout the last several years and their impacts on the meta

[feral mango]

I agree but I also personally dont like when I dont understand somwthing and I dont know why what im doing is wrong if that makes sense... like saying "stalling a fight is bad" doesnt tell me why so having a reason behind the why helps

[broken lava]

most tanks rely on killing to create space

[brittle mirage]

most of them either do a good job of bullying rein from a range, kiting rein in a way he cant challenge, or doing his job but better

also in ow1 playing all clumped together was generally seem as more acceptable

as such rein shield had more value

rein being melee heavy was always a weakness of the character

[high quail]

Rein, like Mercy, relies too much on teammates to make plays for them to get value

[queen grail]

what changed about the game that made reinhardt no longer a "healthy top tier"? by that i mean people sometimes say a rein meta would suck

[broken lava]

5v5

[brittle mirage]

ye 5v5

and people also being forever burned out of shields

[violet cosmos]

His helmet off

[brittle mirage]

after double shields meta

at the end of ow1

[broken lava]

in 5v5 if Rein were ever good it would be because of sustain

[brittle mirage]

which is why theyve also never added good shields after ow2

[violet cosmos]

Imagine how broken it would be if Orisa javelin spin blocked dva ult

[upbeat vessel]

Rein is genuinely so easily countered

[brittle mirage]

and no domina is not in this category in my eyes

[violet cosmos]

Or sig suck

[queen grail]

can rein be reworked and adapt to 5v5 without losing his core identity or is he genuinely doomed to either be mid or miserable?

[brittle mirage]

depends on what one defines as 'his core identity'

[violet cosmos]

More doomed than the fister

[brittle mirage]

thats the big question for a lot of the characters people have reworked or want reworked

what is rein's core identity

[violet cosmos]

Bara

[broken lava]

the last time Rein was seriously played in this game at all was to essentially pocket Bastion with his shield (end of OWL, watch Spitfire)

[brittle mirage]

for many that would be his shield and his 'slow but scary' image

both of which are things that

would not be able to work in the current game

[broken lava]

doomed

[brittle mirage]

so you either define rein as a tank that does other things or you just accept that hes bad and thats okay

[high quail]

Even if they went back to 6v6 full time. A lot of OW2 characters would have to be readjusted

[brittle mirage]

thats why we havent reworked junkrat

[queen grail]

i never played rein that much but i thought the identity was a supportive brawl tank with a focus on taking space more than getting kills

[brittle mirage]

with that idea in mind you could rework rein imo

[runic jungle]

Does anyone know the workaround to seeing your pc stats if you play both pc and console

[broken lava]

I don’t see how you rework Rein without making him a fat dps like all the other tanks are.

and rein’s identity is not a fat dps

[brave island]

Rein’s specialty imo is zoning areas by threatening the enemy team with his melee burst damage

[broken lava]

There isn’t one.

[high quail]

What could you even give him to make him consistently viable without being cheese?

[brittle mirage]

replace pin with a brand new cooldown

pin is just

bottom 3 cd in the game

dead button 90% of the time

no depth barely any value

[brave island]

But 5v5 ruined the identity of so many tanks, you can’t rework them without ruining their perceived identity in general

[high quail]

Too feast or famine for a 5v5 tank

[broken lava]

i think to start off on a rein rework you’d have to heavily nerf shield to make room for the buffs

which would mess with his hero identity

[feral mango]

Tbh

Shield aint that strong if the enemy team knows wtf theyre doing

[broken lava]

yeah its not

[west tundra]

the 5 billion hp shield

[broken lava]

but im talking about big buffs here

yeah lol

[high quail]

Just shoot at the shield

[past adder]

shield nerf for something to make him more proactive would be cool

[broken lava]

like rein is never going to be a real character if shield stays how it is rn

[feral mango]

I seen a short (i guess from an era while I wasnt playing) where they buffed rein where ram didnt punch through shield???

[past adder]

rn hes just an afk bot

[feral mango]

Like i thought that was originally the whole idea

[feral mango]

Literally

[west tundra]

plays perfectly into the silver playstyle

[high quail]

People are allergic to shooting shields when a lot of the times destroying the shield is very helpful

[light violet]

Yeah they did that I think late last year

[west tundra]

hold shield and afk til something happens

[light violet]

Then got rid of it bc everyone found it stupid

[brave island]

Big shield that most enemy teams can actually ignore unless forced into a hallway

[feral mango]

Cus it is 😭

[past adder]

shooting the shield is fine only if u got nothing else to shoot lol

[broken lava]

i dont even shoot rein shield its such a fucking waste of time

[feral mango]

Rein using his shield just for me to walk to the other side

[past adder]

usually u got better things to shoot tho

[feral mango]

Moira so chopped

[west tundra]

you just ignore rein

he's super kiteable

[light violet]

They used sandpaper on her nose 😭

[high quail]

True but people overthink it which is the problem

[broken lava]

if rein is shielding my angle im just fucking moving somewhere else

[past adder]

what is there to overthink

[light violet]

Her nose is longer and sharper in game

[feral mango]

Shes got such a flat and pointy face.

[west tundra]

i just ram

[broken lava]

i probably just do too but im pretending im playing dva for this hypothetical even tho shes perma banned xd

[past adder]

god damn moira is ugly as FUCK

[west tundra]

is she still banned that much after nerf

[gloomy sphinx]

looks like some oc like that one person in the stranger things animated show

[broken lava]

probably. Haven’t played much

[gloomy sphinx]

yeah that nerf does shit

[feral mango]

I heard her nose is like old people's ears. It gets longer with age. Each cm is a year of her life

[broken lava]

hs will always despise dva

[light violet]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they outsourced it

[gloomy sphinx]

she still banned for me

[west tundra]

i feel like the nerfs were substantial

[broken lava]

dva could be B tier and she’d still be perma banned

[light violet]

She’s rotting away so it can’t get much longer 😭🙏🏽

[brave island]

People will ban Roadhog just to get shutdown by Dva tbh

[west tundra]

she also got indirect nerf on top of 2 big ones

[broken lava]

?

oh

passive change

[brittle mirage]

i said this before when this story leaked out weeks ago but she looks like syndrome in this image

[west tundra]

dive tank passive nerf on top of less booster

[unreal tide]

so im not gonna be having fun this game, huh

[west tundra]

significantly lower sustain

[broken lava]

oh less booster is fine

[brittle mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-smug-face-smug-smirk-incredibles-gif-17963905493279131651

[broken lava]

less sustain and worse rockets tho? ya……

[brittle mirage]

like i am fring fr

[west tundra]

ye booster triggers the passive

so less booster and less passive

[feral mango]

Imagine if mercy did nothing but pocket lw and lw did nothing but life grip mid ult

[west tundra]

worse rockets

[broken lava]

oh true

[light violet]

Speaking of lore appearances

[west tundra]

i think these tanks will be unfixable without armor nerf

[broken lava]

agree

[west tundra]

there shouldn't be a burst threshold to armor

[brave island]

Seen it before, I’m tryna get the health pack weapon charm just to remind me who I can depend on in these streets

[feral mango]

I think

[light violet]

Do we think S3’s hero will wear their oni mask in most/all lore appearances like hog or will they remove it pretty fast after the reveal/teasers like vendetta

[feral mango]

Me thinks...

[west tundra]

it should be flat reduction

[feral mango]

Ive and that shit since like 2018

[brittle mirage]

when is connor mccleod getting to read us a short story with his sexy voice

[icy ice]

Why quick play gets rigged with new players so badly. My endorsement 1 teammate admits he is new and we get full enemy team with endorsement 5 probably old players

[brittle mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332083085017219076/1497310829031194634/image0.gif

[icy ice]

They dont even know what theyre doing i cant be toxic anymore its just sad

[feral mango]

Its qp it dont matta

[icy ice]

I get them in ranked too, as placement players

[feral mango]

My head hurts

I want to smoke

And nap

💔

[brave island]

They either new or they’re Smurfs who bought their account, at least that’s how it is whenever I see them

[feral mango]

Smurf buying an account for a FREE game 🗿

[broken lava]

placing accounts low is hard

[upper elbow]

so smoke and nap

[unreal tide]

holy shit 😭

[feral mango]

Im at work and taking a break from smoking

[cold helm]

whats wrong

[runic jungle]

I found it

[unreal tide]

pharah can NOT be that fun in qp 😭

[runic jungle]

Need to search through the website

[broken lava]

Oh how? I hate my stats

Oh

[runic jungle]

Rather than ingame

[broken lava]

gotta go to a website

lame

[runic jungle]

Th official ow website

[broken lava]

ya but

[runic jungle]

Not a 3rd party

[broken lava]

not in game

lame

[runic jungle]

Yes

I played one game with friend on console

Now I can’t see my pc stats for the season

[broken lava]

for me it combines my stats in a weird way

since i play both

[brave island]

I started on console, so I probably have both combined

[broken lava]

i don’t know what any of my hero wrs actually are anymore

[runic jungle]

I have a 80%wr on brig

This season

[silk steeple]

is that who i think it is

[upbeat vessel]

Darn it!

[silk steeple]

legit is

calibration is so aggressive now

[broken lava]

even before

i was literally incapable of placing tank lower than masters

and throwing games to place lower is lame

[past adder]

quick play final boss

[cold helm]

my tank placed in gold

[runic jungle]

Hello

[daring hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/brigitte-spoken-gif-926578166294903472

[brittle mirage]

ok i have to be fr why is a 6k not a potg

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-rolled-head-empty-hamster-puddle-gif-13374015382951254486

i dont complain about this often but like

[upper elbow]

i’ll smoke and take a nap in ur honour twin

[brittle mirage]

i feel so brigma

[daring hornet]

Brig having one of the lowest ban rates in the game makes me so happy 🥹 I can OTP in peace

[jagged mortar]

brother can they fix matchmaking for the 2nd time now i joined with the literal defeat announcement happening

[brittle mirage]

just for you will ban brig in my next match

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-tik-tok-hamster-meme-white-hamster-from-tik-tok-meme-gif-14781935373999839346

[finite ocean]

does anyone play NTE here

ik some ppl play gacha

[brave island]

Live Brig reaction

[daring hornet]

I even made one of my own

[floral wing]

alright so i have to play doomfist now

[brittle mirage]

i played p5x for a month before i realised i hate gachas

does that count

[brittle mirage]

i still think suit doomfist is unmatched

[feral mango]

Thx twn

[brittle mirage]

or formal wear or whatever its called

[floral wing]

yeah thats a rlly good skin

need more formal/suit skins ngl they always look good

date night genji tuff if i played him id buy it

[unreal tide]

ok but hear me out

[feral mango]

Why is he Baraka from mk?

[floral wing]

overrated skin

[unreal tide]

YOUR skin is overrated

[feral mango]

Like cmon bro

[unreal tide]

he also got the disease bro

[feral mango]

He got ligma

[twin wing]

barakaaka

[feral mango]

Heh. I get it. Like doodie

[twin wing]

barakalli

[feral mango]

Baracuda

Is this a brainrot thing

[queen tide]

i need to piss lol

[devout remnant]

thoughts on perks? Things that could be replaced redone or taken to old perks?

I love talking about ow perks and stadium, my addiction to anything even remotely related to roguelike games is to strong

[tawdry pawn]

Bro what’s ur profile ⁉️

[unreal tide]

that of someone who spent too much of their formative years online

[stark depot]

Ehh...When i start get compensation for being reported with reason "Playing QP bad"

Almost every match if enemy team pressure me they start crying its my bad on support

Well, if they cant protect me from super annoying Genji its my fault?

[dawn dove]

im losing so many games because im not allowed to type but if i start to type when im allowed i will be banned

[outer gate]

slightly fucked up how my entire team is negative and im the only one positive

[brave void]

as hard tank can be nothing is more satisfying than carrying your entire team on zarya

[outer gate]

thats anything but satisfying lol

[floral wing]

playing overwatch while theres a severe thunderstorm watch ! >_<

[brave void]

how

[floral wing]

i hope i dont dc

[outer gate]

youre taking the fun out of the game by carrying morons

if you soft carried

i see it

[rustic token]

First game of the day and team bans Vendetta instead of Ashe. Ashe goes 25-0 and my dps do jack shit. Shocking that banning a throw pick over the best dps in the game would go bad

[outer gate]

but you sweat your balls off

the fun is over

[brave void]

by carry i mean dominate the entire match

[outer gate]

and stupid fucking idiots are banning ball on circuit

[brave void]

like

pretty easily

[outer gate]

we cannot genuinely make ai anymore

we got them

[rustic token]

Ashe is ridiculously overtuned. At least on console. Kills the fun of every game shes in

[brave void]

no mate

[brittle mirage]

i highkey always hated this skin

never understood why its popular

face is ugly and the colors are too muted

[floral wing]

you get it bro i dont understand why its so popular too

[crisp basalt]

I was like wtf you saying and then read console
Never played more than one game of it but heard she's more problematic on there than on pc

[hot heath]

is it me or does sierra have the same damage output as bastian?

[brittle mirage]

it is you

her damage output is high but nowhere near bastion

[crisp basalt]

I use gladiator doomfist it looks cool

[hot heath]

bro i swear i melt any tank as efficent as bastian

[floral wing]

this guy complains about console stuff all the time i wouldnt even bother

[crisp basalt]

It's pretty high especially with her perk and if she chucks a nade in your direction before starting to shred you but bastion is still higher I think

Bastion can't headshot in turret iirc and sierra can miss her dart and still have the perk activate to shred you if she lands headshots

[obtuse bluff]

can i re add my xbox acc 2 bnet before 90 days have passed? i had to remove it so i could play ow with out it saying my bnet is banned

[rich widget]

I'm in the same boat as you in some situations I have to deal with

[sleek pewter]

Depends on ban reasons

[crisp basalt]

Ah first time I saw it
I'm usually asleep by now

[obtuse bluff]

i went on twitter and saw they were looking into the issue of people being banned, my account has no actions on it besides a silence all the way back in 2024 😭 and i only play on pc to js with the xbox gamepass

[hybrid portal]

I love when the enemy team swaps to orisa, sojourn, and ana once I hop on Mauma and they lose

[unreal tide]

mauma?

[hybrid portal]

And the ana was pretty pissed too

[hybrid portal]

yes mauma

[obtuse bluff]

muaga?? 😭

[hybrid portal]

Yes Mauma

[cerulean forge]

how to get into top500 cuz i dont know how it works rn, by points or rank

[obtuse bluff]

why are you typing it the way its pronounced instead of typed

[brittle mirage]

her damage output is high but nowhere near bastion. the numbers are available to read in game.

damage ouput of sierra's gun is 199dps, bastion's is 360dps

again, its high, but nowhere that high

[obtuse bluff]

u gotta win 1.7k games overall to be qualified to start climbing in top 500

[hybrid portal]

Because I like saying Mauma

I've been saying Mauma for a good while

Even tho it's Mauga

[cerulean forge]

wtf wasnt like before those overwatch seasons like 500games?

[cold helm]

its 750 wins

ranked wins

[viral sapphire]

they changed it from 750 to 250

[cold helm]

they didn't

[viral sapphire]

to be eligible

yes

they did lol

[cold helm]

i would have the title

then

[viral sapphire]

its very evident

[cerulean forge]

i have 1k wins overall, does rank or comp points matter more

[cold helm]

comp points js let u buy weapon variants

[viral sapphire]

idk bro either u dont have enough comp points to be on leaderboard

[cold helm]

gold jade galactic crimson

[cold helm]

its not about lb

[rustic token]

She has 0 counters. And with a Mercy pocket gg w that

[cold helm]

its about the title u get

[hybrid portal]

when Diamond

[cold helm]

adept competitor

[cerulean forge]

oh i just said the wrong thing its challenger score

[cyan wave]

guys how do i know where overwatch saved my play of the game if im on mac

[cerulean forge]

cuz im m3 and still not top500

[tiny quartz]

How many days is left on the season?

[hybrid portal]

Rugby Mauga skin is so peak

[cold helm]

yea its 750

[cold helm]

don't think masters

is in t500

[hybrid portal]

Aw man I have 521

[tiny quartz]

What u need 750 wins for?

[cerulean forge]

i still didnt get the anwser what gives top500 rank, challenger score or rank

[hybrid portal]

Eligibility for Top 500

[broken lava]

oh my god why do my teammates keep losing my games???

[cold helm]

challenger score atm

[hybrid portal]

Winning 750 Games in any Competitive Mode.

[cerulean forge]

so i just need 9k score to get into top500

[hybrid portal]

Then getting your rank or challenger score

[cold helm]

t500 atm is
diamond+
seasoned competitor unlocked = 750 ranked wins
and to have more challenger points then the last guy

[restive ember]

mate everything is in top 500 lets be honest

[hybrid portal]

I lowk don't remember lol

[restive ember]

this one m1 supp player is like top 40

are we real

[cold helm]

master is a elo of passion

[empty lintel]

our elo

[cold helm]

ur elo

[empty lintel]

?

[hybrid portal]

Yeah its based on Challenger Score

which I hate

Why not just rank atp

[cold helm]

my ball is atleast c2 max c1

[empty lintel]

LOL

[cold helm]

nun funny

[cold helm]

cuz blizz js felt like ruining it

haha

forcing playtime

[broken lava]

t500 change was so fucking lame smh

[hybrid portal]

Doesn't matter as long as I climb my way through comp with Mauga

and JQ

[broken lava]

back in my day the top 500 players were actually the top 500 highest

[hybrid portal]

unc

[empty lintel]

hitscan player goes tank

what happens next will shock you

[cold helm]

im lowk a machine on tank

mauga haz

[hybrid portal]

basically me except its dps dive player off roles tank

[broken lava]

every hs player just goes zar on tank i swear

[cold helm]

i don't like zar

[empty lintel]

you're a machine that turns my healing into enemy ult charge

[cold helm]

u don't heal

im a lone wolf