Artifact Refinery - Binding Essence Income | Age of Wonders Official Discord | Page 1

shy raven Aug 5, 2023, 10:22 PM

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Adds Artifact Refinery structures that generate binding essence income. These structures can only be built in a Throne City.

Artifact Refinery I: Novice Crafters - Unlocked at Town Hall II and provides 5 binding essence per turn.
Artifact Refinery II: Adept Crafters - Unlocked at Town Hall III and provides 10 binding essence per turn.
Artifact Refinery III: Master Artisans - Unlocked at Town Hall IV and provides 15 binding essence per turn.

**This mod was formerly known as Artifact Emporium. The item forge made the old mod redundant. The spirit of the mod (gaining items) is still the same, but now you just get binding essence.

Thanks a lot to the modding community here for helping me with my many questions!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3015528663
https://mods.paradoxplaza.com/mods/65777/Any

Steam Workshop::Artifact Refinery - Binding Essence Income

timid eagle Aug 8, 2023, 9:27 AM

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Looks pretty cool will add it to our next session ; don't know about 5 rounds tho seems a little bit fast ...

shy raven Aug 8, 2023, 10:45 AM

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I was thinking that too. Let me know how it feels with 5. Maybe 7 could be better.

timid eagle Aug 8, 2023, 11:12 AM

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We haven't really tested it yet but don't dragon lords get bonuses based on how many items they have ?

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Maybe 8 to 10 turns instead but I guess that it all depends on how early you can get this building built.

naive isle Aug 20, 2023, 5:39 AM

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Great mod! I've always been looking for a mod that lets me get more artifacts of specific types, and though this isn't the item forge I've always wanted, this comes pretty close to what I want.
My only two real complaints are:

I wish the option to get a premium buyer for a super-specific category would appear more often, it feels like it never happens sometimes
I wish you could temporarily close the event; I often keep forgetting what my heroes need so I end up buying the wrong thing because I just can't look at what they have at the moment

shy raven Aug 20, 2023, 5:59 AM

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naive isle Great mod! I've always been looking for a mod that lets me get more artifacts of...

Thanks for the feedback! The premium buyer option is currently a 20% chance but I can bump it and maybe bump the price. It does seem like it could be higher.

Given the modding tools, I'm not sure what we can do about temporarily closing the event other than manually reloading the game to the previous turn. The only thing that comes to mind is an option to delay your decision until the next turn.

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I'm also working on a mod that adds merchant shops around the map. It'll be another way to source items 👍

ashen fox Aug 20, 2023, 11:48 AM

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please utilize the wonders and the stones we acquire. More wonders and/or magic stones we get = more various and powerful the items we get

timid eagle Aug 21, 2023, 10:33 AM

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Yeah shops on the map sound like a blast maybe you can do something with free cities or something ?!?

naive isle Aug 21, 2023, 11:22 AM

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shy raven Thanks for the feedback! The premium buyer option is currently a 20% chance but ...

I think the idea I've got is to make the option just guaranteed to appear; Since then you still need to get lucky enough for the premium option to be the one you actually want

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I've had the unpleasant experience of wanting a shield and not being able to get one all game

... Also, it'd be quite helpful if the event/event options made it clearer what tier of item you're getting. Unless that's already a thing and I just have poor memory

shy raven Aug 21, 2023, 11:44 AM

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timid eagle Yeah shops on the map sound like a blast maybe you can do something with free ci...

My merchant shops mod is almost done. Just polishing and playtesting now 🙂

shy raven Aug 21, 2023, 11:48 AM

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naive isle I've had the unpleasant experience of wanting a shield and not being able to get...

That sucks that you couldn't find a shield, I can see how that's frustrating. I can make the option for more specific requests available and show the chance of the tier of item (based on numbers of ancient wonders owned). Might increase the cost and possibly wait time to balance it out.

naive isle Aug 21, 2023, 11:50 AM

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Wait time is already pretty harsh, atleast IMO. My games barely last 50 turns; Cost would probably be fine though

shy raven Aug 21, 2023, 11:52 AM

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What settings do you play on to finish games in ~50 turns? How much gold do you generally have to spend? I guess it varies depending on which phase of the game you're in.

naive isle Aug 21, 2023, 11:53 AM

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So far I've just been playing on regular settings, though that said I play hotseat alot

shy raven Aug 21, 2023, 12:13 PM

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Regular settings is 7 players?

naive isle Aug 21, 2023, 12:35 PM

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Ah, the one game I've played with the mod was 9 players

shy raven Aug 21, 2023, 12:38 PM

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How do you usually finish games before turn 50 with 9 players?

naive isle Aug 21, 2023, 12:55 PM

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🤔

shy raven Aug 23, 2023, 10:59 AM

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My Merchant Shops mod is now available! I'll need a break before updating Artifact Emporium. https://discord.com/channels/947815229495078964/1143754676928520345

shy raven Sep 27, 2023, 5:16 AM

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New 2.0 update just released. Owning Ancient Wonders now increases the quality of items sourced. The options to source items of a specific type are now always available.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3015528663

@ashen fox @naive isle Thanks for the feedback! Your suggestions were incorporated into the update 🙂

naive isle Sep 27, 2023, 5:17 AM

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👍

ashen fox Sep 27, 2023, 5:19 AM

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aweFelyne

shy raven Sep 27, 2023, 5:22 AM

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Alongside my Merchant Shops mod, these should be decent enough for more methods of item acquisition until we receive the Item Forge in the next official update! I hope Triumph adds more items too for more variety.

naive isle Oct 2, 2023, 1:32 PM

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hahaha

shy raven Oct 2, 2023, 6:52 PM

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naive isle hahaha

Funnily enough you might still remain pantsless, as you could receive boots. Boots also belong in the Legs slot. Game breaking bug? 😄

timid eagle Oct 3, 2023, 11:24 AM

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Donald Duck dosen't wear pants so why should you ?

shy raven Nov 7, 2023, 10:27 PM

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Artifact Refinery (formerly Artifact Emporium)

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Artifact Refinery (Binding Essence Income)

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Totally overhauled this mod. The item forge made the old mod design for Artifact Emporium redundant. Now the mod is called Artifact Refinery and provides a building for binding essence income. Let me know how the balance feels at +10 binding essence per turn. This is equivalent to finding and disenchanting a Tier I item every 4 turns.

naive isle Nov 8, 2023, 11:05 AM

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So far so good! The income is small enough that you can't make anything particularly powerful with it alone, yet it's still useful just in case you're missing juuust a bit more binding essence for your next item and don't have any other items to spare

naive isle Nov 8, 2023, 12:58 PM

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I'm not sure how or why, but it seems I can build an artifact refinery in a second city now. Is that intentional...? @shy raven

shy raven Nov 8, 2023, 1:04 PM

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It's intentional! So you can now stack binding essence income.

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Thanks for the feedback. I'm going back and forth between keeping the binding essence at 10 or nerfing it to 5. Had the opposite feedback from another user. Since you can build multiple refineries I'm leaning towards 5. But if people are split I can just make a separate mod for the 5 income.

naive isle Nov 8, 2023, 1:08 PM

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shy raven It's intentional! So you can now stack binding essence income.

Neat! I feel like this is gonna get out of hand pretty quick but personally, I don't mind.

If it does become a problem, making that nerfed version later would be wise. I like having alot of binding essence income because I love messing around with the item forge, even if it may throw off game balance.

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If there's anything I do need to say, I think Chosen Destroyers need upgraded versions of the refinery, since they can't found any extra cities. ~~Though if they're playing well, they don't really need it with the amount of loot they'll be taking off dead heroes...~~

shy raven Nov 8, 2023, 1:11 PM

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Good point about destroyers.

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I need to play the game more myself to evaluate how 10 binding essence income feels. Other things we can do is make the requirements harder, like make it tier 3 city only or removing the boost.

naive isle Nov 8, 2023, 1:15 PM

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Side note, if I knew how to mod the game, I feel like I'd make a tome all about forging. Have a province improvement that eats up mana but produces binding essence income with a bonus for nearby conduits... As a sort of throwback to AoW3's item forging
But yes, play the game! There's lots of item visuals to unlock in the pantheon :v

shy raven Nov 8, 2023, 1:23 PM

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That's a good idea. Should be easy to mod actually. I also have plans to make a modding tutorial video. I feel like modding can be easy but just getting started is very confusing.

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Yes I need to play the game, probably spent half my time modding and fixing my mods yesterday 😅

naive isle Nov 8, 2023, 1:26 PM

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I respect your dilligence 😅 but yeah don't forget to have fun, cause this update & expansion are awesome

shy raven Nov 8, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Thank you! Yeah I was having a lot of fun with the first scenario. All the new ui updates feel great too.

naive isle Nov 8, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Haven't gotten around to playing the new story realms yet - haven't even touched Dragon Dawn's 😓
Currently just replaying the main story realms (and actually playing through realms 4 and 5 since I never got around to finishing those) since I just cleared my pantheon from characters and thought it'd be a perfect excuse to play the realms again
~~Why does Auldweald have so many tranquility pools???~~

naive isle Nov 9, 2023, 6:58 AM

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On an average playthrough I seem to end off the game with about +40 binding essence income which seems a bit... strong; it's actually kinda hard to make use of it all with how quickly it starts piling up

shy raven Nov 9, 2023, 7:00 AM

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Sounds like we need to nerf it down from 10 to 5 binding essence per turn. And I'll make a separate mod for the +10 for the people who want something less balanced.

naive isle Nov 9, 2023, 7:00 AM

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👍

shy raven Nov 9, 2023, 7:01 AM

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Must be a good reason why Triumph didn't add in any binding essence income.

naive isle Nov 9, 2023, 7:01 AM

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On the other hand it makes me wish I had a way to make forging faster, I still couldn't fully outfit all my heroes with tier 4 items by the end of Grexolis..

shy raven Nov 9, 2023, 7:01 AM

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Ooh interesting. I'll see if I can mod that too!

naive isle Nov 9, 2023, 7:04 AM

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It definitely did make me appreciate the random items AI stocks, now. They're not strong, but they're affordable, so you can easily fill out a hero's slots with some decent equipment, which they also restock pretty often. I'm particularly looking forward for your merchant shops mod to have random gen items to have this sort of service in a multiplayer game

shy raven Nov 9, 2023, 7:05 AM

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See my update in the Merchant Shops thread. Unfortunately I don't think it's possible to mod randomly generated items 😭

naive isle Nov 9, 2023, 7:06 AM

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Side note, giving merchant shops a similar service to the artifact emporium from the older version of the mod would be pretty neat if you just want a random high tier item and are already busy forging something else-- or have money to spend

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Like basically commissioning them to get you something more specific

shy raven Nov 9, 2023, 7:06 AM

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Haha yes. Special order from the merchant shop. Love all the flavor.

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Thanks for all your feedback and suggestions!

naive isle Nov 9, 2023, 7:08 AM

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No problem! I really like your mods so seeing them get even better is just wonderful

shy raven Nov 11, 2023, 8:28 AM

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Artifact Refinery - Binding Essence Income

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New update. Rebalanced the mod according to a great suggestion from the Steam workshop page.

Adds Artifact Refinery structures that generate binding essence income. These structures can only be built in a Throne City.

Artifact Refinery I: Novice Crafters - Unlocked at Town Hall II and provides 5 binding essence per turn.
Artifact Refinery II: Adept Crafters - Unlocked at Town Hall III and provides 10 binding essence per turn.
Artifact Refinery III: Master Artisans - Unlocked at Town Hall IV and provides 15 binding essence per turn.

Also new thumbnail and building graphics 🙂

naive isle Nov 11, 2023, 1:42 PM

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...Is this update compatible with a running save? I was in the middle of playing one of the new story realms and starting over would be a pain

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Since I was playing back when the refinery was just one structure built across many cities..

shy raven Nov 11, 2023, 1:44 PM

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I didn't get the chance to verify. I assume if you already built the artifact refinery then it would stay built even if the city is not a throne city.

shy raven Nov 11, 2023, 2:00 PM

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@naive isle just verified that if you built the artifact refinery already then it will stay in your non-throne cities 🙂 I also found a small bug which I'll be patching. Thanks for the comment!

naive isle Nov 11, 2023, 2:02 PM

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shy raven New update. Rebalanced the mod according to a great suggestion from the Steam wo...

Do these all stack or are you ending the game with 15 binding essence income?

shy raven Nov 11, 2023, 2:02 PM

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These all stack. So you can end the game with 30 binding essence income.

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And for your in-progress game you'll have more than 30 😄

naive isle Nov 11, 2023, 2:03 PM

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Perfect. Those birds are gonna pay for the all the bronze golems I lost

ionic agate Nov 12, 2023, 1:09 AM

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The new change is fantastic @shy raven I don't feel like I'm too op with the new refinery

shy raven Nov 12, 2023, 1:13 AM

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ionic agate The new change is fantastic <@364591184800251914> I don't feel like I'm too op w...

Thanks for the feedback 🙂 Credit for the idea comes from someone else on the workshop page. Happy to hear that it's working out!

ionic agate Nov 12, 2023, 1:19 AM

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It feels paced across different levels of play and length. Late game it was nice for arming up heros with full sets of tier 4. But it felt spread out enough it wasn't too crazy.

shy raven Nov 12, 2023, 1:20 AM

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Love to see it. Yeah I don't like overpowered mods and tend to prefer more balanced mods.

sinful sequoia Nov 12, 2023, 1:05 PM

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I've seen to run into a small issue. I've just captured a city capital and noticed that I was making 25 binding essence, after looking around I saw 2 farms making essence but it stated it was coming from Novice Crafters. I went back to a save before I captured the city making sure I the player wasn't causing it but it was still showing. I looked around and found another AI player that also had 2 farms making essence. I'm not sure what's causing it I'm going to do more testing and see if I can't found the problem just wanted to let you know.

shy raven Nov 12, 2023, 2:03 PM

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Thanks for the report! Woah, definitely did not expect farms to give binding essence. That's very strange, I don't see how that would be logically possible. I wonder if that's a bug with the base game code.

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So the AI has 5 farms that produce 5 binding essence income each?

sinful sequoia Nov 12, 2023, 2:15 PM

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So out of 6 Ai 2 of them have 2 farms each giving 5 and 1 has a quarry giving 15 "5+10" the other 3 have no tiles giving extra.

shy raven Nov 12, 2023, 2:26 PM

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Weird. Do the AI have any traits that yield bonuses for farms or quarries?

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Oh I see 1 farm without Soiltenders.

sinful sequoia Nov 12, 2023, 2:35 PM

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shy raven Weird. Do the AI have any traits that yield bonuses for farms or quarries?

The quarry guy has: Underground Adaptation, Great Builders and Runesmiths. The leader of Rivergate has: Swamp Adaptation, Chosen Uniters, and Experienced Seafares only 1 of his tiles is a swamp the other is just grasslands. The person I killed had: Underground Adaptation, Wonder Architects and Ritual Cannibals .

shy raven Nov 12, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Do they all have the refinery built in their city?

sinful sequoia Nov 12, 2023, 2:45 PM

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Is there a way to view a AI city because if I capture it then I don't see 1 in the list.

shy raven Nov 12, 2023, 2:45 PM

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Don't think so :S

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Yeah I looked over the modded files and don't see anything weird. Compared it against other base game income buildings as well.

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I guess you could get me a save file and I can investigate when I have time. I don't know if the devs will fix a bug that only happens with a mod haha.

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And if its related to the AI having the refinery built, I can block the AI from building the refineries as a workaround. But I'd need to confirm.

sinful sequoia Nov 12, 2023, 3:12 PM

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My modlist and 2 of my saves from that game I'll keep working on it from my end to see if I can't reproduce the problem.

📎 New_Update.json 📎 AUTOSAVE_-_Drakkanon_Keel_Turn_78 📎 AUTOSAVE_-_Drakkanon_Keel_Turn_83

shy raven Nov 12, 2023, 3:13 PM

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Thank you very much! No worries if we can't figure it out. At least it's a minor issue.

sinful sequoia Nov 12, 2023, 3:17 PM

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shy raven Thank you very much! No worries if we can't figure it out. At least it's a minor...

Yea it doesn't really impact my game whelp back to my tome modding SadMJ

fervent arrow Nov 12, 2023, 3:18 PM

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Morning Visie

fervent arrow Nov 12, 2023, 6:17 PM

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Also Visie the Conversion Methods Remastered made by Kaige. Now does the Salvage Binding Essence: Convert Production to Binding Essence at a 10% rate.

shy raven Nov 12, 2023, 6:53 PM

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Good to see other people make use of the new binding essence mechanic!

fervent arrow Nov 12, 2023, 7:42 PM

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Yes

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