pvp-arena

[cobalt lotus]

I was just spooked that the numbers matched exactly with my deck, was wondering how

[oak hatch]

Ye I took picture at round of 64

[fast marsh]

Ah my apologies so a shotgun team a Moran team and then the last high damage team, is their like a website or something that could help me pick through units?

[oak hatch]

How are u doing now in it?

[cobalt lotus]

in the finals, probably going to win

[oak hatch]

as i predicted

I was surprised at this bracket because it seems easier than the global bracket I was in when I started on global 2 months after

I thought NA had more whales so I made a global acc shortly after I started game

[cobalt lotus]

we have 2 giga whales that don't know the ABC of team building, and 2 players that know how to build teams but didn't spend money

others are pretty much negligible

I just make sure I win against those 4 people lol

[covert lintel]

We need yellow books

[oak hatch]

Yeah makes sense, did they transfer u to that bracket on the recent shuffle?

[cobalt lotus]

yup

[fast marsh]

Err I don’t have enough shotguns, the last one would have to go to one of the mass produced Nikke’s…

[charred quail]

Can i get a spa cook?

My blabla link
https://www.blablalink.com/user?openid=MjkwODAtMTUyMTU0MjQyMjQxNTgzOTMyMTQ=

[whole nymph]

Today I received Red Hood and Solina. Please tell me who can be replaced to strengthen the teams?
And yesterday I got Naga in 100 tries. Maybe I should put her in too.
Some ideas include adding Red Hood instead of Guillotine, and Soline instead of Rouge.

[lunar pawn]

doesn't need to be full 5, with 3 you should be good

[oak hatch]

Ah so u are 3 for 3 CA wins in that bracket soon to be 4/4, nice

[fast marsh]

Ah and the last slot can be priv?

[cobalt lotus]

@oak hatchthanks, and good luck to you too on the CA!

[oak hatch]

Thx

[quartz vortex]

any idea what can beat this?

[lunar pawn]

sure, for cp padding

[fast marsh]

Ok so the first team is neon, ether, Arcana fm, Drake, Priv
Second team: Moran, Manchor Biscuit, Qeq, Anis
What should the last team be? Or should I change some things?

[whole nymph]

Is there anyone who can give me some advice?

[lunar pawn]

can the 1st team reach FB?

for SPA moran won't need biscuit, you don't have enough units to spare them both together

[pulsar halo]

Need teams for sp arena

[fast marsh]

I’m not sure, I haven’t used them yet, I think they should do enough damage quick enough to either end the fight or reach full burst

[fast marsh]

Ok who should I replace her with, crown?

Ok for the final team I used Liter, Biscuit, Yuni, Epinel, and Alice any objections? (They’re almost all I have left)

[odd lantern]

you need at least ~85% of that guys CP to not get deficit. If you are at deficit you need hard counters.

[quartz vortex]

like who would counter him

[odd lantern]

like a fast 2RL that stuns nayuta while your team goes on full burst (e.g. siren)

not at that cp though, you probably still lose

[fast marsh]

Unless this is a bad decision, but their isn’t really much I can do for the remaining teams

[quartz vortex]

youll never burst

[fast marsh]

What should I change then? The first team also cannot burst

I’m stuck at the bottom of diamond 💔

[quartz vortex]

but to be fair if its your last team and you have no one just put your strong ones for now until you get more units thats what i did

[fast marsh]

Ok ok let’s redo everything I’ve got so the first team is shotguns plus Privaty, but I’ve run into the issue that I cannot burst

[quartz vortex]

try building your team here

https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck

fast ones are usually 2-2.5rl

but honestly if i was you id just tank it for now until more units

but focus on pve comp first tho

[fast marsh]

My pve comp is the best I can get it for now

[arctic jewel]

what synchro level?

[quartz vortex]

i think hes like 120 something

[fast marsh]

120

I’m trying so hard to find a way to make it work

[arctic jewel]

yikes, it's gonna be very difficult to make something that barely works

[fast marsh]

What do you recommend I do?

[arctic jewel]

you either keep upgrading your PvE Nikkes to get past Mother Whale and ofc that 200 wall (this one is pretty important)

or you start wishlisting Nikkes that are good in both PvE and PvP

[fast marsh]

I’ve wishlisted I’m just wondering what I can do currently with what I have

I somehow stumbled my way into diamond, and I would like to retain it

[arctic jewel]

what Nikkes do you have?

[arctic jewel]

yeah...

[fast marsh]

I can make something out of nothing trust

[arctic jewel]

the thing is, you're at such a low level, and you are missing many meta PvP Nikkes, which means that the moment when your opponents start using meta Nikkes, it's gonna be very difficult to keep a certain placement

[fast marsh]

Even still I would like to try

[arctic jewel]

I'd say, keep pulling

[fast marsh]

Saving for Anni

Tickets are getting even scarcer to

[quartz vortex]

you can use the regular ones

just save the special ones

[fast marsh]

Like the regular tickets right? I’ve already used enough to get lighter I’m not saving Regular tickets per say I just wait till I can pull for ten, unless Nikke is diff from reg gachas

[quartz vortex]

you dont get bonus for 10 pulls here

[fast marsh]

I’ll go pull rn…

[quartz vortex]

every pull is weighted seperately

thats why you get mileage

once you have enough you can just get an unit you really want

[fast marsh]

Out of ticket pulls

I have a rough idea of the teams I want, The SG team has to have Neon Arcana and Drake, the Offense team HAS to have biscuit

[quartz vortex]

well if you push more campaign you can get some tickets as rewards

[fast marsh]

I just want teams for my dailies rookie arena teams don’t translate to Special

[pulsar halo]

Still waiting

[quartz vortex]

if you have 2 functional teams is good enough cuz you only need win 2 out of 3 to win anyways

[arctic jewel]

let me give you some info on how the gacha system works in Nikke, so that you can start planning ahead

[fast marsh]

I don’t have 2 functional ones that’s the thing, the one that works the best is the Moran one

[whole nymph]

Is there anyone who can give me some advice?

[versed mesa]

I'm going to be honest, imo you should just ignore PvP for now. Some more pvp focused players here might disagree, but at such a low level pvp is pretty much decided by either whales or by others who got lucky and got more of the stronger and viable pvp units so far.

[fast marsh]

The rewards 💔 but I’ll heed this advice

[versed mesa]

Just look at the list of pvp meta nikkes and when you start getting them, then look into what you can make with them.

[arctic jewel]

I highly agree with this, it's just gonna be too difficult for you to do anything

[pulsar halo]

Did you try changing glut wit rrapi?

[versed mesa]

Until then just focus on campaign progress and events

[arctic jewel]

you should focus on the level 200 wall

yeah, just have fun with the game

[fast marsh]

What is this wall you speak of

[quartz vortex]

you need 5 units at 3 stars

or mlb

[arctic jewel]

you will notice that you can only level your Nikkes to level 200

then it stops

[fast marsh]

I do, however I’m aware of getting walled in gacha games so I try my best to stop that from happening

[arctic jewel]

the level 200 wall is very notorious, unless you get 5 SSR Nikkes that have been MLBd

otherwise you can't progress and earn more rewards

[whole nymph]

No, I haven't tried it yet. It's just my guess that Rrapi will be better.

[pulsar halo]

Yup

[arctic jewel]

MLB means that your Nikke has 3 stars (have pulled 4 copies of the same Nikke)

[quartz vortex]

but with the events and the extra units you can get from recruitment its not too bad id say

[fast marsh]

Oh wait should I have maxed out arcana fm? Cause I have a copy of her

Same with Epinel, Drake is a free MLB

[quartz vortex]

shes a buffer only for shotguns

[arctic jewel]

however, I still think he should know more about this, since it will probably make things easier

[quartz vortex]

and shotgun comps are for late game

[whole nymph]

and I don't know if it's worth taking Soline instead of Rouge.

[fast marsh]

Yeah but currently she’s the only SSR NIKKE with a copy

[versed mesa]

Yeah and it has also been called the 160 wall, since to level a Nikke to 200 it needs to be 3 star aka mlb and you need 5 nikkes in total that can each reach 200 to unlock the cap on the synchro system

[arctic jewel]

@fast marsh you might already know this, but I'm gonna go through this anyway

^ you gotta keep in mind about those 3 things

[pulsar halo]

Yup

[arctic jewel]

if some of your Nikkes are missing some stars (copies), these things will make it easier to get past the level 200 wall

[fast marsh]

Hm so should I stop saving for Anni?

[arctic jewel]

whenever you use ordinary Recruit Vouchers (blue ones), you will get more Silver Mileage Tickets (the black ones above)

[quartz vortex]

anni is in October or November i think you have time

[arctic jewel]

he's talking about 3.5 Anniv, which is very soon

[quartz vortex]

ah well i didnt know

[versed mesa]

Saving for the actual anniv would be insane to me

I would not have fun with a game if I had to wait and hold stuff for several months

[fast marsh]

I’ve done so for Limbus and Uma

It’s the curse of being f2p 💔

[versed mesa]

To each their own, but I only start holding my resource boxes a month or two before a new story chapter patch is coming

[arctic jewel]

@fast marsh You can use those silver mileage tickets (black) to buy Spare bodies, this is kind of like Nikke's "pity system"

[versed mesa]

Some people are just made of different stuff

[arctic jewel]

although, keep in mind that some of the Nikkes aren't viable, but there are a few that are very good

[quartz vortex]

but like why?

[lone sequoia]

just tell him the important tips, focus campaign, 1 copy is enough and base OL work

[versed mesa]

Btw also the caveat that those are only core dupes, they won't give you the actual Nikke if you don't have it

[lone sequoia]

why not?

i already have all the other pilgrims

[arctic jewel]

already did, just helping even further (and get past level 200 wall faster)

[arctic jewel]

yeah, you need to pull that Nikke, otherwise the spare bodies will not work

[lone sequoia]

if i use those items i will make worse my pilgrim ssr rate 11/12

[versed mesa]

If I had all the Nikkes a mold can give and I wasn't hunting for more dupes ofc at that point I would save those too, but I will never be at that point

[lone sequoia]

that is the only good thing that happened to me in this game, compared to my extremely bad luck in all other content

i also don't use my social points

[arctic jewel]

I have named the white colored mold as the "Belorta mold"

[versed mesa]

You get SRs from molds?

[lone sequoia]

during solo raid season 1 i used like 5~7k points and got like 2 or 3 ssr, nothing more

[lone sequoia]

1 mold=200 body label

you buy recicling room lvls with that currency

[versed mesa]

I was making a joke that I tend to get R's and not SR's or SSR's

[arctic jewel]

I get nothing but SRs xD

and sometimes a rare R

[lone sequoia]

you should try my match color tactic, it work in some games; keep x item for more than 3 updates and the next item you get will match the rarity of the item, in this case ssr mold for a ssr

[versed mesa]

Meh

I'm not a rituals type of guy

Unless he did in the past hour or so, my sp rival hasn't logged in for over 24 hours. I don't think I've ever seen him be offline that long in the 5 months or so that we have been in the same bracket.

[lone sequoia]

if he do his dailies later, probably the game didn't refresh his login if he didn't close the app

[late tiger]

🚀 55 lvl and 50k Combat Power difference conquered 🚀

[lone sequoia]

you can just go afk, check the game for couple seconds and go afk again

[versed mesa]

Nah he has always logged in atleast once in the middle of the day before next reset. He did do dailies before he logged out yesterday after reset, but he didn't even log in to take my spot, or try to snipe.

Then again chinese timezone so could be that staying up until 4am or waking up that early for the snipe might have finally caught up with him and just needs a break.

[versed mesa]

Ooh DPB is in your bracket? In the final for CA currently.

[late tiger]

ye, i saw, but he usually loses against the Helm guy

[versed mesa]

Ouch really? I wonder if I should switch my vote?

[late tiger]

also, rip being on the same server with him, he could max out server-wide lvl if he wanted

[late tiger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[versed mesa]

Yeah, I would have no chance against him if he was in my bracket. The C2 there has around the synchro and cp that my main opponent does

[late tiger]

i could use my resources to pass him

but waiting for a few more story updates

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-whoa-matrix-bro-neo-gif-12028915

[raven plover]

edge pro max

[versed mesa]

And I'm feeling good about holding resources just for 8 extra levels

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal scarlet xmaiden blanc drakeT
• moran swha anchorIM vestiTU ada
• nayuta helmt liberalio rh siren

Notes

some pvp core units aren't built, priority on these

• noah, rumani, centi, biscuit, noise, can consider also bay, laplaceT and rosanna on the medium term

once noah and biscuit in particular are built, get your teams upgraded
rumani and centi will enable better speeds

[late tiger]

i usually only lvl up the minimum amount for story

and i got the guy i defeated today to use all his resources to max his lvl at 742

he wanted to avoid being defeated in pvp

he doesn't know i can pass him, so it's funny to watch

[versed mesa]

I've been able to clear out both normal and hardmode day 1 for a few patches now. Might be soon at the point that I don't need to use resources as often either. Unless everyone in my bracket starts giga leveling.

Although I doubt I would bother tryharding that much

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• moran noah biscuit swha drakeT
• nayuta trina helmt rh laplaceT
• jackal scarlet xmaiden blanc vestiTU

[late tiger]

day 1 players usually don't need to lvl at all. they breeze through HM. I think i stopped using resources when hard mode 14 was introduced

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[tropic summit]

synchro 120, a bit too early to bother with actual strong pvp teams

• absolute team is fine, may wanna move around moran and jackal, that team only needs strong early pressure, jackal and moran can be used for the other 2 teams
• add soline in one of the other 2 teams and pad them up or use soline in absolute and free up both jackal and moran
• you don't have much burst gen, focus on CP for now

get helmT and moranT asap
finish your campaign team

Essentially:

• 1 absolute team, can include soline
• 1 team with moran in p1, focus on padding it out
• 1 team with jackal, p1 should be linked unit, aim for fast glass cannon

You can check speeds here: https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck

[late tiger]

too bad i forgot to screen his team for the exact CP difference for each team, but around 35-50k each team

[whole nymph]

Okay! Thanks!
Regarding the treasures, I don't even know how or where to get them. I haven't seen any menus where they'd be displayed.

[charred quail]

👍 . I am still learning pvp so that will help while i learn

[tropic summit]

they'll take time, need to hit max affection and SR15 on doll

[charred quail]

How to know what cubes to put on pvp units?

[whole nymph]

So, is a hero with treasure and a hero without treasure still the same hero? So, if I level up the abilities of the regular version of Helm, will they remain the same when I get the treasure for it?

[tropic summit]

Cubes are situational to the purpose of the unit, you'll most commonly use:

• quantum (certain units or situational to thresholds for burst gen)
• tempering (damage reduction, on some core units it can be vital)
• vigor (messing with HPs for indom purposes, or just synergy for healers, alternative also to tempering situationally)
• adjutant (very situational if you need that extra 2CS% for any reason)
• resil/bastion/any (stat sticks)

For your units:

jackal quantum
scarlet tempering
xmaiden quantum
blanc vigor
drakeT vigor

moran tempering
swha tempering
anchorIM any
vestiTU any
ada any

nayuta any
helmt tempering
liberalio any
rh any
siren any

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

yes OG helm can become helm treasure, her skills will change and improve
keep in mind not all treasures are actually worth pushing for, especially stay away from viper centi and poli treasures

priority to the following, for both pve and pvp:

1. moranT
2. helmT
3. privT

[glad meteor]

Someone say helm

[whole nymph]

TY!

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/helm-nikke-lick

[charred quail]

One more question. Does defense team need to be different teams or can I use the same teams for defense?

[tropic summit]

those are defense teams, it's the opposite
attack is tailored to what you facin

if you don't know what you doing use them for both either way

[charred quail]

oh i see. thought that was for attack

👍

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor do you miss her already

[glad meteor]

Well meet again

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

If not mistaken

[tropic summit]

yeah she should appear again but weaker iirc

[glad meteor]

Oh

She should be making me weak instead

[swift mango]

@worldly osprey

My C3 got to the final, I thought he would lose this one but he didn't.

I have to vote for him this time. No need to check team anymore. (I mean I thought he would lose this fight in this video)

The Blanc indom 2 frame of missed timing strike again.

Well, Aha won me in League due to a lucky Crit so now he lost to a lucky timing. Well deserved.

[oak hatch]

Why they copy ur name

[swift mango]

Coincidence.

To have similar names

[jagged mesa]

have you guys ever seen a pvp fight time out

[swift mango]

Yes, Moran vs Rumani
Moran vs Moran
Moran vs Stall

[umbral crown]

[jagged mesa]

yeah my moran just timed out vs another moran

[umbral crown]

thats huge

[jagged mesa]

and i lost because im assuming hp value

[umbral crown]

no yet but i had a fight stall vs stall that almost got time out by 2 secs or so in CA

[hollow lagoon]

weaker

U mean she has higher cp

[late tiger]

still far away from max lvl though

[worn ridge]

Guys if i use siren here could i stun jackal or no ?

[oak hatch]

No ur blanc and siren will feed them to 2 rl

[late tiger]

what is max lvl of nikke, if you cashed in all nikkes? lvl 850?

[umbral crown]

like 1030+ me thnks

[umbral crown]

true that but still will be a big jump

[late tiger]

yikes, much higher than i thought

and ye, happy about the jump soon, but will probably still wait 3 more updates

[umbral crown]

its even more, Nish should be highest level now

[late tiger]

w3w

[humble tiger]

Imagine fighting this guy in your bracket.

[umbral crown]

[placid bloom]

fighting him? You should be honored to even be squashed like an insect if he notices you at all

gods do not pay attention to the ants crawling on the ground

[swift mango]

Around 1100

[late tiger]

thanks, actually calculating it now

[swift mango]

It went up every new unit released so yeah. No fix max level.

[late tiger]

so we have 203 unique nikkes released = 1 lvl per nikke

and each nikke has 2-3 limit breaks, which raises the lvl by 1.33 each
R - 9x1 = 9 lvl
SR - (26 x 1)+(26x2x1.33) = 95.16 lvl
SSR - (168 x 1)+(168x3x1.33)=838.32 lvl
=> 942,48 lvl

hmmm, coming up short

[late tiger]

let's say 1100 then
so i am short 320lvls

[swift mango]

Last I checked it was around 1060+ so 1100 should about right.

You could come to Team building to ask guys like @bleak shale There is a website that record the highest level in NA and Jpn. Which top 1 should be the cap of current level.

You can't be max level if you missed some Collab units.

[umbral crown]

whas your cap in sync dev?

[late tiger]

mine is 687 as you saw. idk about @swift mango

[umbral crown]

i mean like this

[swift mango]

It's Enikk.app. The highest level currently is 1059 from its last update. I guess my estimation of 1100 is a bit off. But you could check that website later. When you need to.

[late tiger]

gotta check and thanks person with a too long name

[umbral crown]

@swift mango

[bleak shale]

-16 if no liberation

[swift mango]

Yeah, I guess Enikk.app is death

I did remember it was 1060+ but it showed 1059.

[umbral crown]

the top 1 in that app, its the one in my ss

[late tiger]

ahh ok, highest nikke lvl + numbers of nikke owned, that explains the missing 100 lvl

[raven plover]

nah 1060+ people doesnt do raid, who needs gems when youre 1060

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1489424552328040478/image.png?ex=69d05e35&is=69cf0cb5&hm=145623aaad4ade45cba7eb6df007b978dd9038d1f8939be25282fd49484c43d4&

[late tiger]

union must be solo raid for them

[bleak shale]

i guess its some rounding stuff

[umbral crown]

but kosmiu math was close since the difference was 1 level

[late tiger]

with that amount of money spent SU prob gifted him that lvl

[umbral crown]

there are also some people over lv1000

like yang from same union, sync 1047

check in coop ranking

[late tiger]

as developer i would pit these whales against one another

otherwise they would lose interest real fast

would be too boring when nothing keeps them engaged, no?

[umbral crown]

they have pve stuff and CA

[humble tiger]

@sterile hornet know this guy? XD

He in my bracket.

[umbral crown]

like UR and SR

[late tiger]

right, these are the guys that raise the 3% cap into oblivion

gotta admit i only do these runs once though

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

3% isn't raised by the top whales. It's raised by overall whale and long time players over the population.

[late tiger]

reminds me of the salary debate on average wages big cities

on average everyone earns 80k per year, but if you deduct the billionaires

it goes down to 35k

[compact ore]

[heady peak]

Who doesn't 🫣

[undone blaze]

When the bracket reshuffles, will I still be placed with people around my cp or much stronger people?

[covert lintel]

But they want a frame instead

[covert lintel]

Not real-time

[oak hatch]

could be lower or higher than ur cp

[covert lintel]

February was my lowest level up

[swift mango]

I said, it's not working that way in this game. Even if you crop out all the lv900+ guys the 3% score won't change much. Only top 200 change

and top 0.5% as well.

But not top 3%. Like 18b down to 17.5b at best, not much at all.

[covert lintel]

The whale widens the gap again
Near 52 now

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-rooster-chicken-anime-gif-11707529642898019289

[humble tiger]

I need a new defense team.

Both sides aren't working anymore.

It really hasn't changed over the past month. But I really need a break.

I wish I have Rumani. I could at least make a 2RL, and two 2.5RL teams.

[crystal flicker]

You have Rosa

You can do 2x2rl and sg rosa

[humble tiger]

I'm stumped. Goddammit.

[oak smelt]

Finally have a streak of defense successfully after i open some boxes for sync

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor learn from this boi

[humble tiger]

It's gonna be too weak.

Idk anymore.

[crystal flicker]

You're missing investment on Centi, shes Clip RL

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[humble tiger]

Still 3RL on T3...

[crystal flicker]

Use Nayuta RH, make it 2.5 rl and it's basically 2rl nuke

[humble tiger]

Which one should I move?

[crystal flicker]

Also SR Anis is clip rl

[humble tiger]

Too much CP loss.

[undone blaze]

Is there nothing you can do to win vs a siren with a solo Noah?

[swift mango]

Send your boxes if you wanted other to cook for u.

[humble tiger]

I already did. It's above this. But I'll send it here again.

[sterile hornet]

U pinged the wrong person or smth

[humble tiger]

Nah. He's in your union.

[quick lake]

like 1v1? Siren has more dps. Just use a different team altogether

[sterile hornet]

oh yea. hes one of our newer members

[undone blaze]

Just in general a Noah as the only b2 in your team vs a siren lineup

[humble tiger]

what a bother. He just so happened to exist in the same bracket as me. Is he in this server? ISTG if he is...

[sterile hornet]

idk. he didnt join through discord

[humble tiger]

Oh. Aight.

[swift mango]

Your problem with lacking units are there, the only way to win is to invest more units than your opponent.
777 your rosa and OL her. She is the best units that would give you advantage right now.
Then you could invest in Centi later.

[humble tiger]

sigh I'm so tiiiired...

Next season, I'll just stay wherever I go.

[swift mango]

Rosa is very strong for DEF if you know what you are doing. People saying not good in def are people who never lacked core units in the first place and not getting hit enough to bother trying her out,

[humble tiger]

Urgh. Fine. I'll build her next season.

[swift mango]

For 2rl nayuta you would need Centi anyway. So maybe OL her to finish the team first

[bleak shale]

Im using a Rosa in def rn

Mostly to screw with indom teams

[swift mango]

Yeah, she is meta in def people just coping.
For Yuki she would open up him a 3rd team. Since he lacked core units to build around

but he needed to have 2 team up first. And that mean OL centi for 2rl Nayuta

[swift mango]

For your roster you probably have to make do with

2rl Nayuta+Helm+RH, this mean you need OL Centi.
Indom 2rl SW/vesti with feeds.
Sarc 2rl Rosa and burst with Vesti./a wipe.

Label could help you with slow team but u need xsoline at least to survive until burst since you don't have biscuit

Edit: I guess Bay it is then instead of Blanc then, my bad. But you had to burst with vesti in that team.

[crystal flicker]

He doesnt have Blanc

[swift mango]

my bad, I assume he had her, than Bay then.... but Now he had to burst with Vesti

[crystal flicker]

Unless you're fighting 40 sync diff, the cp loss is negligible if you OL her
And Get Moran from mileage shop, you want her max treasure anyway

[humble tiger]

I don't even have base Moran.

[crystal flicker]

That's why I said get her

[swift mango]

HelmT burst is better than RH.

[crystal flicker]

Save for anniv for now, you have 130K gems to spend

[crystal flicker]

Sure, but I assume Nayuta + RH enough to wipe

[crystal flicker]

You can buy base Moran with 200 gold mileages, if she still not coming during anniv

[swift mango]

Well, hope he could def with that in his bracket.

[crystal flicker]

Yeah we dont even know his bracket cp

[humble tiger]

Goddammit. That's literally worst case scenario.

[swift mango]

he kinda showed it around, his cp isn't the best. But he may try to gap to c4 before. But with Centi and Anis?

[humble tiger]

Cuz I also have to wait for 3.5 unit.

[crystal flicker]

Well I did so for Helm, and now I have her C7 lmao

[crystal flicker]

Time to use Blue/Black CP padding

[humble tiger]

Mine is around 850K.

[swift mango]

Better option is to just give up on Arena for now and grind Campaign

[humble tiger]

Heck, I'm losing against a 225 sync player. Ts sucks.

[humble tiger]

You're a whale. This barely applies to you because you buy your way to victory.

[mighty haven]

.....

[mighty haven]

Let me go pull up my crappy alt

[crystal flicker]

You just have bad investment

[mighty haven]

.....the hell is that bracket

[mighty haven]

2024 June start?

Account creation

Or a bit later

[crystal flicker]

SAnis banner yeah

[mighty haven]

Rerun SAnis....so new SSakura/Rosie

Respect

[crystal flicker]

I was inactive for a while so yeah

[mighty haven]

I wish I was whale enough that I can get 7 more dupes of SSakura when she reruns

Most dumb purchase I can think of just for a top row of C7

[gritty ridge]

Hehe

Gotta love moran

[lone rapids]

any good rookie def

im currently using this

[mighty haven]

Can replace Ada with TVesti
And then go Moran/Noah/TVesti/SWHA/HelmT

[umbral crown]

[mighty haven]

1 click rank ups

[rich quail]

Did you get assigned a random username?

[mighty haven]

@humble tiger my three NA accs
Left most was a 1.5 year break
Middle took an 8 month break
Right took 10 months give or take

I can not compete, but will fight to stay at least Diamond

[cyan scroll]

im trying to lose this round for the title can anybody offer any opinions

[glad meteor]

Ohayo estur

[mighty haven]

wah long time no see

[glad meteor]

I got my eye on everyone

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-john-cena-gif-18864860

[hollow lagoon]

[rich quail]

[dusky shell]

what is slow cindy/lib team like

[swift mango]

Rather than bad investment he just bricked.

[swift mango]

This required more investment than me telling him to Upgrade Rosa and Centi now that I think of it

[crystal flicker]

He gonna use MoranT more than Rosa/Centi tbh

[swift mango]

He needs to have Moran first and enough currency for dupe. Then enough for doll. Then upgrade Centi + ANIS of all things by your suggestions.

That's why I said much more investment.

Anis is not something he should upgrade at 250 in this economy

[crystal flicker]

It's the price he has to pay to beat the 🧱
He has 130K Gems, surely he can get 200 G. Mileages for Moran

[swift mango]

Using Anis in 2026 would just brick his CP. It wouldn't help him at all. Just upgrade Rosa so he has 2 Jackal to use.

[hollow lagoon]

Just pull more

[worldly osprey]

i voted for swordp as well. if he wins, that means i only lost to the champ => i = aha = shyboy = basically top 2

[oak hatch]

@cobalt lotus

[hollow lagoon]

What’s a syncro specialist

[oak hatch]

Some people use all their mileage in Moran dupes because she’s that strong right now. I think it’s a good option for u since u don’t have siren either

[hollow lagoon]

Use silver

Unless u don’t have the base unit

[oak hatch]

Ye I meant silver but he also don’t have base Moran

[hollow lagoon]

In which case……….

[oak hatch]

So 1 gold and rest silver

[hollow lagoon]

What’s a synchro specialist anyway

Why do I have it too

[oak hatch]

idek how i got it

I think people get this role if they rank bronze or higher

[hollow lagoon]

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit SAnis actually dodges Siren's stun?

[oak hatch]

Korean name most likely win round 1 2 3, so pick Lauren

Actually 2 seems in their favor

[cobalt lotus]

@cyan scroll I am the KR name in the picture. I will win match #1 no matter what, lose match #2 no matter what. #3 I will win if TU Vesti crits at least once in first 3 hits (since I have 21 CS), which is highly likely. #5 I will probably win, #4 I am less sure but will probably win.

[oak hatch]

Yeah if indom goes correctly to sw it can be scary but it’s still winnable by how tanky that team is

#3 just need Trina dead and they can’t burst

[cobalt lotus]

#2 I think their Laplace is eventually gonna kill my team (Libarellio has no follow up)

#4 I do think their SHWA is gonna get Indom since my team has 4 RL, but even then I think I will win thanks to Moran

[oak hatch]

Yes they most likely win #2 ur out of burst dps is bad

I have similar match but it’s Ada indom

[cobalt lotus]

I mean in #4 they have 2 characters that do absolutely nothing (Cinderella and Label) so haha

[oak hatch]

Hopefully it can pull through

[tropic summit]

yes and no, every unit can dodge siren stun as long as you're in cover when stun lands

the most typical is scarlet because her timing is specific pre 2RL B2

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

🍌

[unique wagon]

So uhh

She Burst 3, got stunned, and killed the whole enemy team

[unique wagon]

[tropic summit]

any indom could do that as long as you hit B3 on 2 buffs, it's mostly glass cannon on enemy side

[cobalt lotus]

@oak hatchI think for the match you linked, its probably SHWA-moran-bei-biscuit win. I had my ein indom team (buffed by wing+label, ein is 4ack+4ele) not have enough damage against much less built SHWA-biscuit team

[unique wagon]

No.

Other units get stunned, no?

Unless SR/RL dodges that.

[tropic summit]

you can just place RH in p1, you'll chain:

RH B1
stun
blanc B2
indom whoever B3

or run strong B3s that are fine on blanc buff alone (vestiTU, SWHA, Ada... etc)

[unique wagon]

That was what I thought.

Stun is faster than B2 right?

[oak hatch]

Moran team broken, and good to know thx

[unique wagon]

I was scared RH B2 might trigger instead.

[cobalt lotus]

SHWA-biscuit team is 100% winrate for me over last 4 CA seasons lol

[unique wagon]

Tis why I went with this.

[unique wagon]

VestiTU would be a saving grace.

Maybe XMaiden.

[oak hatch]

Yeah almost same with me but I lost once against this because they use random siren in the team, so I took label away

[cobalt lotus]

@oak hatch Ahh, so without Moran burst Bei-Biscuit isn't enough to block Liba burst? Good to know

[oak hatch]

Ye both Moran and bay have to burst to survive against lib there

[tropic summit]

stun happens at 2RL B2 assuming no CS%, you can always check on https://nikke.top/

[cobalt lotus]

@oak hatch Have you perhaps tried using the XMas Maiden variant? I am curious if it gets Seiren stunned or not since it bursts at 196F

[oak hatch]

It don’t burst that’s why I don’t use it

I know it works well for some brackets where not as much siren is used but lower brackets have lots siren

[cobalt lotus]

yup

same for our bracket as well

still see that previously popular Rumani - Nayuta - Seiren - Biscuit - Cinderlla often (which I think is horrible in the current version)

[oak hatch]

Yeah most Cindy teams fell off but this one seems decent

It’s expensive tho and takes Moran bay biscuit but it’s for people who have 4 other very strong teams

[glad meteor]

When i ran it. It always lost

[oak hatch]

It mostly counters sg scar and some weaker dps indom teams so not the highest win rate, its just a solid option when u already have 4 other good teams

[oak smelt]

Have no idea that cover can block that...
Do you have a video of that happening?
I don't think i have ever encountered that scenario of all my matchup or testing against siren comps.

[oak hatch]

Sg team also falling off so I guess that doesn’t help it

[glad meteor]

But i lost against sg and scar

[oak hatch]

[oak smelt]

Yeah, its good but its Achilles heel is Liberalio's nuke

[glad meteor]

Against weak scar can win

And good mihara rng

[oak hatch]

Ye mostly jackal-less scars

They won against sgs every match until they faced my sg which barely won

So it’s still winnable for sg but I think it’s still in Moran team favor

[glad meteor]

Soda looks weak

Did soda burst

She usually kills cindy with burst from what I saw

@tropic summit we meet again

[oak hatch]

Yeah they had 100k soda compared to my 130k soda, this is how it went in my match

[glad meteor]

[oak hatch]

Doesn’t kill cindy but I guess one shotting biscuit does it

[glad meteor]

Close one

[oak hatch]

I’m surprised their soda can one shot ur cindy with Moran there, maybe I need to invest in mine some more

[unique wagon]

And they tell me ELE is useless in PvP.

The only thing carrying SGs rn are ELE.

[oak hatch]

Yeah I have ele on all my sgs, I think it’s very important

[unique wagon]

Different ELE for different targets.

[unique wagon]

Especially BSoda.

She counters plenty of units as Iron.

[oak hatch]

Not sure if it’s worth investing further into sg now tho since it’s slowly countered more and more

[unique wagon]

For PvE yes.

Two-way investments for double returns.

[oak hatch]

Im full pvp invest so my pve sucks haha

[unique wagon]

I mean there's Rosanna.

PvP only.

But I want her.

[oak hatch]

Build her

[unique wagon]

No.

[oak hatch]

I guess u are pve main

[arctic jewel]

Hello PvP chat!

[keen vapor]

<@&1450788368702111765> <@&946725432554836008>

[candid knoll]

hello rh brother

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1456005451333369947/Red_Hood_Hopping.gif

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit sigh

End is nigh

[bleak shale]

Ele has been important for a while ino

it was less important when it was wipe meta (since u still wanted to wipe everything so was less influence) but over time dmg ele can matter alot, preburst dmg also makes ele good

and all our dps are also our pve units now so they should have ele

[arctic jewel]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[oak smelt]

Ready for this
#game-news message

[hollow lagoon]

Kekw

[glad meteor]

641 before ur or else

[hollow lagoon]

During UR

I don’t need 641 for normal mode

[oak hatch]

@cobalt lotus how did it go?

[cobalt lotus]

@oak hatchlost the #4, #5 hmm

blanc +damage is pretty strong

[oak hatch]

So #2 win?

[cobalt lotus]

lost #2,#4,#5 (1,2,3 went as expected, didn't expect to lose 4,5 haha)

label is definitely too slow to use in Ein indom

needed to kill before Helm burst

[oak hatch]

Damn… I was sure u gonna win, I guess their sw cores really helped

[cobalt lotus]

the blanc SHWA team does seem to be a good counter to the SHWA biscuit team

[oak hatch]

Move label to p4 because u give them burst gen from p1-3

[cobalt lotus]

isn't that only when going against vesti?

[oak hatch]

No it’s special case with shields

[cobalt lotus]

ahh I see

[oak hatch]

Normal rl can hit label shield at p3

[cobalt lotus]

I will probably switch things around a bit since I don't think Noise-Noah-Liba team has much value nowdays

[oak hatch]

Yeah or maybe add Laplace or some other so u can win mirror match

[cobalt lotus]

Laplace is a must to have Nayuta-Redhood deck to burst in time (which I like), so will probably have to think of something else

[oak hatch]

U can put different clip rl like anis there instead of Laplace to go same speed but then dps wont be as good against stuff like Noah

[cobalt lotus]

I can't replace Laplace with Anis to do 182f Nayuta

checked all options

[oak hatch]

really? Anis gives more burst gen than Laplace

[cobalt lotus]

in different point of time I think?

let me double check

[hollow lagoon]

A bro in my union won

[oak hatch]

Who did?

[cobalt lotus]

hmm you are right, Anis at 18% (can't go lower) with cube can technically replace Laplace at 13%

[oak hatch]

Yes 18%

[cobalt lotus]

but I need Laplace to eat the Rosanna cleanse and Helm burst for that deck

[oak hatch]

Red hood attack is low?

[cyan scroll]

i havent checked in but i do appreciate your breakdown of the matchups. i saw some of your squads and had no idea what was going on like the squad 3

[cobalt lotus]

@cyan scrollactually my prediction was wrong haha

[oak hatch]

Maybe they were sleeping and didn’t see the predictions in time

[cyan scroll]

such is life

[arctic jewel]

🎉 🎉 🎉

[hollow lagoon]

[cunning crown]

We do a little winning

[hollow lagoon]

My bracket too rough

[arctic jewel]

I should probably start looking at my CA teams and see if I can improve them any way

[hollow lagoon]

@arctic jewel bully me so I can’t win

[arctic jewel]

Send his CA teams, I'm curious

[cyan scroll]

tbh i asked several people about it and everyones prediction was wrong somehow it happens. im just happy i got the excitement of being close again. good showing as usual!

[arctic jewel]

Don't say things like that 😭

[hollow lagoon]

U can see by just entering the union server

[arctic jewel]

Oh... xD

[hollow lagoon]

Not the culture server

[arctic jewel]

My SP Arena server is already annoying enough, I don't want new enemies in CA 🤣 🤣 🤣

[crystal flicker]

What's your sync

[arctic jewel]

I'll take a look at it regardless ^^

[arctic jewel]

491

[oak hatch]

Who won the finals and congrats on frame

[arctic jewel]

I should probably push Hard mode too

[crystal flicker]

Oh plz meet me at the next SP rotation

[arctic jewel]

Tenshi

[crystal flicker]

DPB

[gritty ridge]

I woke up to a successful defense from a guy ive been trading with for a while. I didnt even swap teams

[arctic jewel]

Wait... huh?

[oak hatch]

Oh wow they finally get frame upgrade, last win was in July

[crystal flicker]

It's day 1 account

[oak hatch]

Different bracket

[arctic jewel]

Oooooh, my b

[shell hazel]

thanks for credits tenshi

[arctic jewel]

I want to cheer Tenshi, I don't want to cheer my games only...

Got 3 failed cheers because of me clutching

[oak hatch]

Cheering ur own games better, means u are winning

[arctic jewel]

Actually, no, 2

I thought I was gonna win against that Chinese player

[arctic jewel]

Lel

[crystal flicker]

Dragging the whale back to the ocean floor

I still cant fight the deficit on 3rd team

[shell hazel]

I usually just vote myself until I die

[arctic jewel]

... I really want those pretty looking Rapture Frame 3s from Solo Raids...

[hollow lagoon]

[arctic jewel]

🍌

Anyway, gotta go, need to visit the sauna before the gym closes

[swift mango]

That's if you had Noah maxed first. You would max Moran from pulling years before you max Noah normally.

Ofc no harm to get some Moran if you Noah at least MLB

[hollow lagoon]

Gib Moran some seed

[oak hatch]

Some guy in my ca went all in to max core Moran and left his Noah mlb, I feel like Moran right now is more impactful

[hollow lagoon]

Just

Core both

[oak hatch]

Too poor for that

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-16544958915984996688

[swift mango]

It's about long run. And if you invest in raid as well.

[shell hazel]

moran works for campaign and adds cp where you don't run noah - if noah is mlb it's not a bad move imo

[swift mango]

Long run wise go for Noah first. Moran is good for PvE and opportunity cost.

So if Noah MLB already could go for Moran

[shell hazel]

noah c5 moran c1 so I can get more moran dupes

[oak hatch]

Yeah I guess it depends if u care only about 1 mode or all modes since Noah not used much in pve

[swift mango]

Damn lucky

[oak hatch]

Noah core 5 for me too and core 2 Moran

I don’t wanna dupe Noah anymore, it doesn’t seem much different

[swift mango]

[ancient sun]

Whale in my SpA bracket

[swift mango]

Meh my luck in this game is drain for more than a year anyway

[ancient sun]

Welp I got it man

[oak hatch]

Zero is in ur spa? he’s the one who did max core Moran

[ancient sun]

Oh, KATR also did that

[oak hatch]

Wow u cheered for me

I didn’t expect I would win at all this CA, from almost losing out in league battle to getting countered by everyone

[lunar pawn]

grats keripo on first 10 CA win in NA

[oak hatch]

Ah they have basically max core both

[shell hazel]

keripo op!

[ancient sun]

Some match ups felt shaky and I thought t4 would be decisive. As I suspected their Ada won’t kill you

[hollow lagoon]

Maybe yoink @oak hatch

[shell hazel]

we kidnapping? I'm down for it

[oak hatch]

Yeah they needed more ammo on ada

kidnap who

[hollow lagoon]

U

[shell hazel]

[oak hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-space-run-pepe-gone-pepe-bye-bye-gif-20984604

[ancient sun]

And their Absolute was pathetic

[hollow lagoon]

How I’m I still blue tho

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna mileage my last noise dupe soon

I pulled 2 noise in the last week

[placid bloom]

you have to be on 24/7 because there is exp cap/min

[gritty ridge]

So im at c6

[versed mesa]

Are you allowed to throw water on the rocks at the sauna over there?

[umbral belfry]

@placid bloom this is your fault

[placid bloom]

smh Pie washed

[versed mesa]

I've been C1 almost the entire season

[placid bloom]

me lose bet in finals

me lose faith

[umbral belfry]

deserved

at least I can be at peace knowing pies will continue to scam you

[placid bloom]

now I only have faith in Piggy and co

to eat all the Pies

[hollow lagoon]

@umbral belfry 🍪

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-nikke-goddess-of-victory-army-gif-10683866684903076379

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

okay send me your CA teams bro.

[hollow lagoon]

This guy never asked me for my teams when I won before

[swift mango]

I don't remember when you won but probably before I start doing record teams outside of SEA.

[hollow lagoon]

[versed mesa]

Didn't switch my vote after all, and good that I didn't. DPB won

My CA rank is now 3017

[hollow lagoon]

Label for anti scar Eah

[silent torrent]

Are you supposed to swap the order of your teams when putting them in defense or does the game do it automatically?

[hollow lagoon]

Nope

Don’t swap

[oak hatch]

Yeah for soda

[silent torrent]

So like this is correct?

[oak hatch]

Looks fine

[hollow lagoon]

Looks correct, but ur baiting back shot snipers to make u indom rumani

Which,,, could be ok?

[oak hatch]

I guess both are ok cuz then vesti would be a problem

Unless they maxed out rumani doll

[solid gorge]

Thank you Tenshi for finally helping me to get that perfect fail border

[glad meteor]

How much cs your rls have in scar. And can I see scar invest by chance

[hollow lagoon]

Vesti problem solves it self by being not indomed and dead

[glad meteor]

My scar kinda eh might get rid

Was thinking of running

Scar eunwha emma vestiTU

Trina/soline in flex slot. But is a sus team

[swift mango]

Thx u

[oak hatch]

I’m planning to drop scar soon, it sometimes gets that lucky stun against nayuta rh/indom but it usually lose against the meta. But cs is 11 on all and 4 attack scar nothing special

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

I could drop scar but my 400 rocks on her is not.

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-gif-4581743

[glad meteor]

You should flex in prydwen

[swift mango]

Send me the teams too. Thank u.

[heady peak]

Haha nice

[swift mango]

Send me your CA champ guy team too please.

[glad meteor]

soon

[fading ermine]

[arctic jewel]

Yes 🙂

[versed mesa]

Nice. There was a news article last week that had Finns fuming Some Americans don't understand how sauna stoves work and have signs to "Don't throw water on the sauna! It is electric!"

If an electric sauna stove breaks or short circuits, it means it wasn't installed properly.

[raven plover]

4 black atk 4 black crit?

[arctic jewel]

Hmmm, I'm not entirely sure how exactly it works. We have electrical saunas, but these usually heat up other objects, such as rocks, so throwing some water should be fine? My guess is that there's probably something else going on

[versed mesa]

That is exactly it. The actual wires are covered and insulated. Some dummies seem to think the whole thing is electrified and if you throw water on the rocks that it will spark or something

[arctic jewel]

Oooh, then I misunderstood what you wrote xD

[versed mesa]

So did the people who installed those saunas

[arctic jewel]

But yeah, it should be fine, as long as it's been installed properly

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[versed mesa]

To us Finns, having a sauna but not allowed to throw water on the rocks for steam, is like ordering a pizza without toppings.

[hybrid fox]

my brain is farting he keep switching I managed a few but I brain stutter on this

[arctic jewel]

No on kyllä outoa jos ei saa heittää vettä kiukaaseen 😉

[hybrid fox]

those team are weak but I think I can scar slash team 2 and noise noah should work for team 3

any help haha

[glad meteor]

@swift mango

Giga whale

[glad meteor]

[oak hatch]

Do they even lose

That’s the #1 wins

[glad meteor]

They will next season. Trust

[versed mesa]

Not sure if you're finnish and kept it secret or you used a translator

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-gotham-city-arkham-batman-arkham-knight-gif-14928819966549863554

[oak hatch]

So they never lost before this?

[glad meteor]

They were top 32 last season

[oak hatch]

Oh I’m blind lmao

[glad meteor]

So prob lost a couple

[oak hatch]

Good to know whale with all max cores still lose

[arctic jewel]

I live in Sweden, but my mom is Finnish and my dad is Chilean

[fading ermine]

sad

[arctic jewel]

And no, I didn't use a translator, but my Finnish is definitely rusty

[hybrid fox]

any help

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[versed mesa]

I'm just thrown off by him having Moran, Blanc, Biscuit and Jackal in one team

[hybrid fox]

nvm I win

[tropic summit]

you can, just need to be reloading or hiding in cover, that's how scarlet dodge's siren stun in the first place

scarlet is very consistent because her ammo count is perfect timing for 2RL B2

(lower than %60)

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-cj

[tropic summit]

dafuq why so many boxes suddenly

[tropic summit]

you see a biscuitless noah archetype, you immediatly think indom
you see a blanc indom, you either kill blanc, kill their B3s or slower indom/stall
you see a scarlet glass cannon, noah/bay/indom/linked ross to snipe scarlet

out of the above, first and third are easy to solve, second you'll need to think a tad harder

[hollow lagoon]

union raid soon

[tropic summit]

eh is it really worth it

you'll synch up eventually anyway no

[violet prism]

1st and 3rd worked perfectly, 2nd one failed bcuz my lib failed to kill, needs more invest

[hollow lagoon]

U mean is it worth it for me to hold

I’m chapter capped

I will have nuff sync to Capp next chapter on release regardless what I do

Spa I don’t have another urber whale yet

What does sync do for me now let’s see

Do union raid and solo raid museum better

What does it get me if I hold

I get to sync even more when I decide to use my crates so I can hold for longer next time

[spiral onyx]

Are the rankings updated? Haven't logged in yet

Wanted to wait til rankings are updated and frame rewards sent out then I'll record the playback on PC and also cover my team's gear and OLs

[umbral crown]

keripo winning x10

4 more seasons for beta... wonder who will be the first to get 15 wins before Beta ends

so far global has 2 at 10

[tiny scroll]

JP server has this one. But I never see him.

[unique wagon]

Whi tagged me

[unique wagon]

Yes time to cook

[umbral crown]

waos

[hollow lagoon]

[glad meteor]

601

Behe down

Beat it at 2:59

[unique wagon]

Why does rosy keep changing name

[glad meteor]

If rosy isnt changing name. Thats not rosy

[unique wagon]

Me

[hollow lagoon]

How

[glad meteor]

I first knew him as rapunzel

[hollow lagoon]

If u can keel ziz Behe is run over

[glad meteor]

Used crown cindy helmt moran mmast. Coulda played it better

[tropic summit]

oh not bad, noice

[glad meteor]

Moran phase 3 when

[tropic summit]

except you're not thinking about min/maxing credits, which is going to be your real bottleneck, but i wouldn't know, maybe whels don't have to worry about it

the real reason for box saving is credit min/maxing once you've reached the highest CD income

[glad meteor]

Incum

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-doakes-doakes

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/first-time-buster-scruggs

[tropic summit]

@unique wagon

[fair pivot]

@oak hatch you said you'd lose this CA and now I lost the bets

[umbral crown]

sus

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kalani-ghost-hunter-madison-seminary-makes-you-wonder-gif-3432740133677819459

[swift mango]

@worldly osprey

The Makima player in our bracket finally got his first champ.

[lunar pawn]

just logged in

[oak hatch]

even I didn’t expect to win

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/all-might-one-for-all-all-for-one-deku-my-hero-academia-gif-26423801

[oak hatch]

See I voted against myself

[worldly osprey]

so i’m top 3 then, right? i only lost to the guy who lost to the champion

[limber rampart]

could someone list all strong treasure nikke in pvp?

[lunar pawn]

oraoraora

[lunar pawn]

helm, laplace, moran, bay are the main ones

[fair pivot]

It's good I voted for you after all gz

[spiral onyx]

Can you share their profiles and server numbers? Curious if they're an early player or late joiner

[spiral onyx]

Same question for this person

[umbral crown]

kara did

[spiral onyx]

Ok, so they are probably on much later server groups

[umbral crown]

yeah

syuengel is 463 sync

[glad meteor]

I started dec 1st 2023 in global and I’m 18331

So the earlier guy prob joined somewhere before anni

[umbral crown]

19223 and i started 13th february 2024

[spiral onyx]

The player level is probably more telling. Assuming they are whaling, there's an upper limit on player account level since that's time gated

[glad meteor]

This was one of their team

T2 is sus but standard teams

[spiral onyx]

Yeah just checked. I have guild members in the 4th CA server and even they are 800+ Commander level. Which means the first guy is like in CA server 5+ and the second guy is probably in CA server 10+ or something lol

[late tiger]

gg. sadly missed on on 3 credit boxes

[spiral onyx]

The JP guys synchro is 851 compared to my 862 but I stopped max outpost refreshing a long time ago so he is probably in JP CA server 3 or 4

[oak hatch]

[unique wagon]

@spiral onyx If Jack is in P1, she doesnt take account of OL right?

[spiral onyx]

I'm... Confused. Why do Jackal 's OLs and position matter

[glad meteor]

[spiral onyx]

If you're referring to Jackal's link, she will always be linked, even if she's naked

[glad meteor]

If she didnt my helm would be linked

[spiral onyx]

She'll just die faster

Cause def reduction is per unit, applies after the share afaik

[glad meteor]

He prob asking if link would target base attack if jackal in p1

[spiral onyx]

Helm's nuke targets based on snapshotted final atk at time of burst I think

[glad meteor]

Some nikkes have certain interactions in terms of order from left to right triggering

[spiral onyx]

Left to right I assume is used in the case of tie breaker

But that's pretty hard to test since getting a tie breaker for final atk is hard

[unique wagon]

Ye

Does ATK OL matter

[glad meteor]

Yes

[unique wagon]

so even if Jack is in P1 it counts ATK OL?

[glad meteor]

Yea

Atk ol isn’t a skill. So different

[tropic summit]

this season champ @swift mango

very simple and straight forward teams this time

bro literally said "gonna run mostly sp arena teams and yolo"

no slow cindy, no absolute, no non-indom linked shiet, no lib

even the SG team is like season 1 kind

[tidal lichen]

when do i get to win

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/winterz-soon

[tidal lichen]

[gritty ridge]

Hi rail

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chiaki-nanami-anime

[gritty ridge]

Rail, what do you know abt hatty hattington

[tropic summit]

🍌

[shell hazel]

🍌 🍌

[gritty ridge]

Rail im gonna do to you what shifty did to the banana

[tropic summit]

[spiral onyx]

He's gonna rail you

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/firefly-anime

[mint kite]

Oof. My Scarlet is one my lowest CP nikkes

Even T2 didn't get through

[tropic summit]

that's too much deficit, what was deficit on T2? cindy died to scarlet s2 pre burst

don't run those teams if you're above 25% deficit

and the jackal link one didn't even run indom

[mint kite]

Which is 23%

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit cindy helmt rumani up to 20-24% deficit
jackal link teams stay below 18% deficit

[tropic summit]

ye but it looks like you still die pre burst, give up on that one

[mint kite]

Jackal link was 20%

[tropic summit]

aight time to give up, noway you can live that

[mint kite]

Can't stall any better?

In other words, how do I lose slower

[tropic summit]

biscuit locked team is already the king of anti deficit, if your cindy dies pre burst on a 2RL biscuit locked team, you know it's time to give up

[mint kite]

Just want to spend enough time fighting so that the guy who is attacking me at X:59:41 gets delayed until the roll-over

[tidal lichen]

i think he gave up.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-bye-bye-maki

[unique wagon]

Give defense in DM pls

[tropic summit]

personal tip, don't engage in that BS, arena isn't worth dealing with those methods

do your attempts and go do something fun instead

[tidal lichen]

@unique wagon

[unique wagon]

who is linked in T2

[tidal lichen]

ada vesti

it's better if helm is linked instead of ada

can still burst with ada if u get helm nuked

[unique wagon]

is that 2.5 RL?

[tidal lichen]

but my ada just has too much atk.

yea

5% cs on helm 19%cs on lap 17%cs on rumani

on moran

[lone sequoia]

1rock reroll?

[tidal lichen]

2

[lone sequoia]

atk lock?

[tidal lichen]

y

[lone sequoia]

why you didn't lock DEF?

[tidal lichen]

building her for pve

[lone sequoia]

pve? not pvp or pvx?

[tidal lichen]

101010 4x atk should be far more than enough for pvp

imo

[lone sequoia]

pve 4atk/ele/ and some crit rate/dmg, pvx 4 DEF 3~4 atk/ele + 1ammo

[unique wagon]

Does lifesteal trigger on indomed units?

[lone sequoia]

the thing is 4atk in defenders is not great... is good, but can cause many problems for team building and for moran is more for the nature of the unit, she have buff and taunt

[lone sequoia]

yep

[versed mesa]

The strat he is talking about doesn't even work. I dunno what it is meant to accomplish. The moment the load reaches 100% the results are already saved on the server side.

[lone sequoia]

only noah burst or biscuit S2 don't heal units back

[tidal lichen]

wdym problems

[unique wagon]

Wow that blocks off my Makima strat

[lone sequoia]

atk priority/taunt, dispel, link, you can go for 4atk but is a pain to fix other units when you have to change the stats at that point, 2~3 is easier to change than 4 lines... it will be expensive for a while, until we get the hexacode system from surface but that will be another problem

but since you want moran for pve, it doesn't matter

[tidal lichen]

dispel isnt a problem for moran

also shes still a defender

4x black atks and she will still struggle to have the most atk with an attacker on the team

[undone blaze]

Hate Siren stun

[lone sequoia]

is all about team building, in some teams is not a problem, in others ff

[unique wagon]

idk whats the standard comp for Moran Noah Biscu maybe Lib 2 RL

wait no

[lone sequoia]

swha comp or helmt?

[unique wagon]

MiharaBC Blanc Cindy Biscu Rumani maybe

[mint kite]

Long fights take longer to process. I had a 3 minute fight take a minute or more to process

[lone sequoia]

the problem for mihara p1 is the time she can tank, if you b3 mihara is ff or if she doesn't get the time to land all her marks is less dmg and you will have to be lucky for your burst chain

[unique wagon]

she will definitely die against that Moran Noah Biscu comp

TVesti comp is eh

[lone sequoia]

lib b3 or shwa/helmT? helmt is a pain because moran/biscuit... but what sync?

[tidal lichen]

you can do moran helm swha

swha survives

[undone blaze]

Yeah idk what to do vs this team with my current units, oh well

[tidal lichen]

or smth like this

[lone sequoia]

you can just stun them or nuke them before (cs check) or play the stall or just go with the same comp+ mihara

bay is weaker than noah against mihara DoT

[tidal lichen]

why

[lone sequoia]

nayuta/SGs/vesti/rosanna?

[tidal lichen]

she heals a lot

[lone sequoia]

shared dmg

[covert lintel]

which team

[undone blaze]

My vesti would put me over deficit

[arctic jewel]

Finally! Some luck at last! (XMaiden)

Now I just need higher numbers

[lone sequoia]

depending on position noah can tank 3 marks from mihara, less chances for mihara to land all targets, bay will just deal dmg to units without marks, but depends in both team units

[glad meteor]

Is your jackal lowest hp in link?

[lone sequoia]

no indom or just same team with better cs?

[versed mesa]

I know, but that assumes that your opponent is using the exact same teams for both attack and defense, which is extremely unlikely.

So their load times could be completely different to yours

[lone sequoia]

you don't need to snipe swha, you have like 3 seconds to wipe the team after b3

[lone sequoia]

gz

[undone blaze]

Yes

[arctic jewel]

thank you!

[glad meteor]

= team bricked

[lone sequoia]

even with vigor?

[glad meteor]

They prob low sync

[undone blaze]

She has full OL, idk

[glad meteor]

sr doll diff prob

[undone blaze]

She has no doll

[glad meteor]

Problemo detected

[lone sequoia]

R15

the thing about OL and team building is that you focus in the stats you need for the synergy of your team, stats needed after you already use your cards is min-maxing and a waste of resources, but some people play for that

moran in a 2RL comp is like cp boost and some DEF, your key units will probably be b2 and b3 and you don't hope to win all the fights that can tank your dmg source

moran for stall need to check atk/def, time and reaload timing in case you use other units with taunt, different position than p1 or windows to reduce dmg

but more important is to play the game and have fun

[unique wagon]

Whats the standard comp for beating that TVesti team

[tidal lichen]

slower indom

or rosanna with snipers so u dont kill jack

[unique wagon]

someone mentioned Rapu Scar Soline

[tidal lichen]

ehhh

could work ig

[glad meteor]

Was it me

[lone sequoia]

rapu/soline need to tank and burst, depends on vesti dmg to not skip 20% HP

[tidal lichen]

but soline isnt that good agaisnt vesti cuz she hits big

[unique wagon]

It was you

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

Soline good. Was consistent for me when rapu p1

[unique wagon]

Add Jackal

[glad meteor]

Maybe absolute would be tougher with crit

[lone sequoia]

you can just send snipers for misindom if ada is not linked or full stun team (?), indom fight is always an option

[unique wagon]

Whats the standard Rapu Scar Soline comp

[unique wagon]

Ada is in fact linked

[lone sequoia]

trina+flex

[glad meteor]

Rapu scar trina helm soline

Quantum trina

At high sync. You can technically tank it with moran noah biscuit helmt SW

[tidal lichen]

involves a bit of rng but slow mihara also works

blanc rumani bisc mihara flex

[lone sequoia]

you can always just send the 2.5~3RL indom cindy and pray

[glad meteor]

Yea

Blanc cindy flexx biscuit rumani or something

Some people just mirror vesti with rapi/ein indom

But forces blanc

[lone sequoia]

blanc/cindy/biscuit/emi-laplace-xmaiden/rumani, not sure about shwa or helmt in the flex slot