pvp-arena

[oak hatch]

It’s what happens when I totally ignore pve

[lone sequoia]

lets say you have nayuta p1 in DEF and enemy nayuta p2 in atk, you are free to hit his SGs and they will hit your nayuta, if your SG have more atk (at least 1 or 2...rosanna) they will not take her buff, now what happen if you are in atk and he in DEF, they have more chances to kill your SGs and dispel rosanna, position matter a lot for mirror or SG matches

there are few things that you can fix/improve with the stats manipulation but its hard to win all the time if the positions and atk priority changes

[covert lintel]

I won by sheer luck

[swift mango]

I lost last CA to 3 mirror matches.

[lone sequoia]

now, imagine your SGs kill enemy units faster, you have the units advantage so they will do less dmg in case they hit your rosanna and you also have the time to burst snipe/kill more units of the enemy team

[tropic summit]

what season are we at?

[oak hatch]

I know positioning affects how matchups can go, the problem is I don’t want Rosanna to get dispelled because it nerfs her personal damage and makes her vulnerable, but even when her own attack is lower than sgs, she gets dispelled due to sg getting quick kills in the start. It takes 10 ammo from enemy rosa to trigger the dispel and sg within this time can already pick off a kill, activating rosa s2 making her highest attack again

[covert lintel]

Centi's s2 activated

[swift mango]

24 rn

[swift mango]

[covert lintel]

She cast it at 8s

[tropic summit]

in around 192 matches (assuming a range from 72 matches to 192 matches based on placement and if you won), you met mirror and lost 3 times

i find it hard to justify investing to fix that for that mere number

[swift mango]

I met 3 mirror in one match. And lost it 3/5.

[tropic summit]

that's just dumb luck...

[swift mango]

Their scarlet team is actually function different than my scarlet team but let's call it half a mirror.

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

just say it's a skill issue and call it a day, saves you rocks for that sh*tty very situational mirror

[swift mango]

I have seen more than one final where 5 team of 2 guys almost the same, round by round.

Could check on bettor pic in LD union

It just happened

[swift mango]

Well, it's skill issue mostly.

Well, it's relevant with what Rail are discussing.... But are you wong?

[lone sequoia]

yep, it is something that will happen, but you don't aim to have rosanna with low attack, you want her oneshot x unit with her burst, the thing is that with a bit more atk in SG you can fix the priority for enemy rosanna, a way to see how that work is with nayuta p1 or p4~5 and hope enemy SG hit her, can change the outcome? no, they will hit nayuta, now if you want to use a different unit like blanc you still have the time to tank for rosanna dispel, if you want to reroll your SC comp just try to get more dmg in all your units

[swift mango]

No, I mean, what's you ign?

[tropic summit]

that's ultimately what CA is, although invest and the units you field, with certain synergies, can boost the odds

but ye hardly anything that has to do with actual knowledge/skill, mostly a copypasta galore for high win ratio averages

and ofc a resource sink, as you get nothing out of it

[lone sequoia]

if both teams tank, rosanna is safe, if your units kill a enemy you have the unit advantage, if they kill one of your units they will probably win, ATK/DEF, elements, units position, atk priority those are the important things for SG mirror in that order (there is also the difference between b2s, burst gen or class, but not many people use blanc or a different unit than nayuta these days)

[swift mango]

Okay, now we have another guy, appeared thanks to my rant.

It's wong!

@worldly osprey
@mystic rain

Sorry I couldn't @ the other 3-4 guys can't find their name.

[tropic summit]

you've a lot of enemies

[swift mango]

Doesn't matter, so long as your Nayuta wipe my Helm and I couldn't wipe yours, you win.

@median flare @noble hatch @rich ledge

It's Wong.

[rich ledge]

[worldly osprey]

wong ? another bestie

[swift mango]

Hey, only 6 guys on this chats. +Some older guys in 3rd bracket like Yenah. @umbral belfry has tons of those in her bracket around here.

[tropic summit]

hime has no enemies, only simps

@hollow lagoon i dusted the entire house, i'm now tired as f*k, being productive hurts

[swift mango]

Well, my Nayuta is probably worse than u regardless, only 1 ATK.

[lone sequoia]

not sure, you already have good crit rate/dmg, probably a 3rd line for visor first, but another atk line would help a lot (in case you don't proc her S2 for her burst)

[swift mango]

I only mean bracket mate but sure.

[tropic summit]

they're still simps

she defeats them, they become simps

they all wanna lose to hime then

[swift mango]

@hollow lagoon u simp.

[lone sequoia]

2nd rosanna burst proc also depends on if she still have S1 buff active

[swift mango]

I know zant isn't in her bracket but

[covert lintel]

This team is actually super good cause that's the actual label should be doing
If only he put blanc to p4, it should be super strong

[tropic summit]

this is just privaty propaganda

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

is SWHA going offburst indom there?

[umbral crown]

off burst snow indom is strong, i can confirm

[covert lintel]

High chance yes

[tropic summit]

ye i'm guessing they want to nuke + stun and pop swha on indom

[umbral crown]

i do that and works consisently against vesti indom

but without label of course

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-kitten-kiss-gif-6588078957197429086

[covert lintel]

But p2 blanc

[umbral crown]

yeah, my blanc survives vesti to burst

[tropic summit]

he believes he won't meet either vesti or rosanna

[swift mango]

Oh wait, how were your SG Xdiesel faring last season? Are you still using it this season?

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

I think you just haven't met any 21cs like me

[umbral belfry]

a ton of what

[swift mango]

Bracket mates

[umbral belfry]

ohhh

and upper bracket friends like @valid inlet and @wild hemlock

[umbral crown]

maybe

my vesti is 19 tho

[oak hatch]

Yeah visor would probably be the better choice to work on first, anyway thanks for the explanations and suggestion

[swift mango]

Yeah, I was thinking of this team as well but SW p2 instead.

Still wasting a SW so....

[umbral belfry]

don't forget 0 atk

wait no it was 0 ammo

https://tenor.com/view/doesnt-care-side-eye-side-eyes-no-one-cares-bored-gif-4984434356446358145

[umbral crown]

[raven plover]

ok gonna copy this for next next season

[umbral crown]

0 atk
0 ammo

[umbral crown]

lets do it

[swift mango]

Me neither.

[covert lintel]

Even noah dead before she burst

[umbral crown]

my noah has not died to a vesti yet in CA

[raven plover]

not sure if my label higher than the dps tho hopefully

[umbral belfry]

you make me so mad

[swift mango]

I only check the winners of each group and the group of the guys I know here.

[umbral crown]

2.5 team and if lucky 2 with RH pierce

[lone sequoia]

my rosanna have like 53%atk some crit rate/dmg but more ammo (i like to use indom sometimes) the thing is that only 1 of my SG (nayuta comp) have more atk than rosanna so enemy rosanna will dispel* her, but since i use rosanna p5 and nayuta p4, the enemy SG will stop at p4 (ATK or DEF)

[umbral crown]

in my case no way, my privaty has 4 atk and snow like 3

[tropic summit]

your noah is not a good example of the average noah

[covert lintel]

Oh is it 2.5?
No wonder

[swift mango]

And I even forgot to edit my teams at all this time.

[umbral crown]

but but

[swift mango]

He hadn't met 100% Ele Vesti yet.

[raven plover]

dies to ros then

[umbral crown]

noah is top 2 cp but nothing crazy

[covert lintel]

You'll become champion again with that team

[umbral crown]

by the time rosanna burst, blanc will have given indom

[raven plover]

[umbral crown]

usually rosanna teams with sg are 3.5 if nayuta

[swift mango]

What about the other 4 teams.

[umbral crown]

3 with poli

[raven plover]

Im trying sakura next season

[swift mango]

Which Sakura,?

[umbral crown]

og of course

[raven plover]

[umbral crown]

hobo even got her skin

[raven plover]

[covert lintel]

Just the usual

[swift mango]

To counter what? Libby?

[umbral crown]

yes

[swift mango]

You lose SW on one team. Already.

[umbral crown]

and nayuta buffed by red hood

[swift mango]

Both teams are rouge and not everyone use them.

[umbral crown]

share the rest of his teams, maybe we overseen something interesting besides this team

[umbral crown]

but there is always a chance

[raven plover]

eh is pvp unit and shes wind trust

[swift mango]

Green like

[swift mango]

The return of ReiT.

[covert lintel]

The other 4 are not interesting

[oak hatch]

That much attack would be nice to have honestly. This is the video where I guess my rosa got dispelled despite being lower attack than sgs, I guess it’s inevitable sometimes and probably doesn’t matter for this matchup, but I wonder if 10-15% more attack will help her secure the kill?

[umbral crown]

i see, standar teams with no sgs

last season i went without sgs i did better than with them

[swift mango]

Everything is fine but that p1 Noah.

[covert lintel]

That p1 cindy
Why not he phase3 centi and put there

[glad meteor]

vesti didnt even get one shot off

[covert lintel]

It'll speed up anything and maybe cindy has a chance to burst

[umbral crown]

cuz you know,...

[swift mango]

There is no slot for Centi in his cindy team. The fastest a slow Cindy could be is 3.5rl. Any faster and 2rl Noah would screw it over.

[covert lintel]

Nah, i mean if he uses centi phase 3 there everything would be super fast to make cindy and rumani become immune

[swift mango]

There is also the problem if his Nayuta got dispelled.

[swift mango]

If he used Centi phase 2 there instead of xmaid, the team would be 3-2.5rl and not slow cindy anymore

[lone sequoia]

not sure if it was a crit, but if you assume that your SG will kill a unit and proc rosanna S2, you go full dmg, 1 proc with 75~80% doesn't change much if you get another 10% but it help sometimes

if you don't get the 40%+ atk... it help a lot

[covert lintel]

It considered slow cindy as the opponent would be below 2rl

[swift mango]

[oak hatch]

It wasn’t a crit most likely, probably would have one shot if crit, then I wonder it’s probably better to invest for one more crit rate line then instead of attack to maximize the chances of one shotting them?

[swift mango]

Are u going to lose next one?

I mean win.

@lone sequoia what are u cooking?

[high stream]

I need to strengthen my defense even more I think .. I can beat everyone up to Rank 7 .. but I keep losing. Team 3 is just a cp pad .. but I don't think that will work here, cause my bracket is kinda strong. Image 4 shows all PvP Nikke I have .. can I squeeze anything more out of my defense teams here? Its been a while since I changed them honestly.

[lone sequoia]

depends on the build you want, to me rosanna 4 atk/crit rate, 2crit dmg, 1 ele/ammo is probably the best, you can trade ammo and ele for neutral dmg with crit dmg, DEF work against counters (scar team or crit rng) you have 12%+crit rate, i think that is good, you can try to get more crit rate or roll for visor 3rd line (cp or good effect), 1 to 2 ele dmg work now since we got another really strong water unit like swha (and she take your 2nd burst proc with her normal attacks), probably the last atk line is better in case you don't get the crit but you are again in range for enemy rosanna dispel in case someone tank, i think for the future try to get 4th atk and fix the atk/stats priority with atk % cube or hexacode system (if SU doesn't delay it again)

[high stream]

This is the bracket I exist in .. lol.
Everyone up to Rank 6 is about on my level .. Rank 5 to 1 are monsters.
So I need to defend against Rank 10 - 6 more effectively

[lone sequoia]

eating, can't write everything fast

[tropic summit]

put yourself in the attacker shoes, what are your weak links? what are your 2 weakest teams?

they'll leverage those things and attack those teams, it's really simple.

Meanwhile, what you should always try to meet:

• non stunnable p1 or no weaklink that can be stunned via siren
• resistant chain, no B1/B2 that can be deleted before you get started
• B3s are threatening enough? good DPS/nuke? or are they cheesable?
• pressure, early aggresion, stuns, indoms, sustain, taunts, lifesteal... these all add difficulty to the attacker
• unfortunately, CP... a lot of it. The more CP, the more the opponent needs to pad, which limits their cards to play or you force them to use a noah + biscuit when they shouldn't

[high stream]

I dont think I can CP pad against any of these .. No one can ever take Rank 11 from me, everyone that tries loses. The only people winning against me right now are in the top 11. Not a single loss against anyone below .. and they are trying.

[swift mango]

Remember who is this guy?

[high stream]

Bracket is very active and competitive .. let me try to put ur advice to use and build a bit .. then u can judge

[oak hatch]

Sounds like a plan, thanks, I’ll let u finish ur meal now

[restive heart]

@tropic summit help me

do you have any new def cooks?

looks like king figures out even old teams wont work on him

[swift mango]

N23 Neon Scarlet Trina Rosa
Auto
Auto

[high stream]

Is Trina the fastest clip 2rl if helm and SWHA are occupied?

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

I think its trina or anis

[high stream]

Hmm okay ..

[restive heart]

he spends less gem rn

[unique wagon]

Imagine dataing a whale

[swift mango]

The problem is dude is level bricked and not actually a whale

[unique wagon]

Hello Muscular Man

[gritty ridge]

Hello prydwen

[restive heart]

he could spend thise gems on refresh but he doesnt do that

[swift mango]

Hello stick man.

[glad meteor]

[unique wagon]

Wdym Im a stick

[glad meteor]

Yuki guy

[high stream]

@tropic summit What about these? I feel like these are the two strongest teams I can build .. which will force my opponent to line up properly against them, rank 11 to 6 wont be able to cp pad either of these teams .. so they're forced to use up blanc and noah to beat these two .. or .. not? But what about team 3 then .. i feel like there I can make a stand, cause if i force everything they have against 2 of my teams .. a strong third might cause an upset. Maybe a Noise .. something? Siren can be easily avoided if u know how to .. I honestly dont know what a third team could look like that forces my opponents hand here.

[swift mango]

refresh would take him forever to catch up though

[swift mango]

Burst gen is overkill in these 2

[high stream]

It is? Oh .. The guide says to flex in 2 rl .. so I figured Trina, if she is the fastest. Is it bad that its overkill? Tell me what to do better and why please

[covert lintel]

Idk
I'm confident it'll win but

[high stream]

Also still very very curious about a third team that actually will put my opponents in a difficult situation

I feel like Noah and Blanc can beat everything

[swift mango]

No it's just to you could flex higher CP. And save burst gen for team 3

[high stream]

So .. the third team is where u have the highest chance to come out on top

[high stream]

Well, I feel like third team is where my knowledge crumbles. Someone showed me a indom Nayuta team that can stall by purposefully failing to B3, very interesting. But Railtracer said its a very copium team, even if it can work

Noise Noah cant be used .. cause Noah is used

I feel like Blanc and Noah just .. can always beat 2 teams.

And they always are used in two teams.

Even Scar teams are now redundant cause of label

[swift mango]

Yeah Blanc and Noah almost always used. Game need to be freshed out with new b2 soon. It's stale rn.

[high stream]

I think its fair to assume that everyone in such a competitive bracket has Label. So I cant gamble on them failing to beat a Scar defense either

Any good ideas? Enlighten me please

Also .. switched in RH cause u said its overkill, more CP too

[swift mango]

Nayuta+Centi+HelmT+RH+LapT in a vacuum.

[high stream]

I have more Nikke, all of them pretty much in fact.. I just favorited all tierlisted PvP Nikke

So .. u can ask me to add any other nikke as well

I just dont have Emilia .. all others I have

[high stream]

But this means Centi and HelmT out of Team 2 .. and RH out of Team 1

Who subs those spots? Doesnt Team 2 rely on HelmT b3

Right now I have ..
Jackal, Rumani, TVesti, Blanc, RH
Moran, Noah, HelmT, SWHA, Centi

[gritty ridge]

Im suspicious of you

[swift mango]

SW could go with biscuit and label.

RH could be any b3..

[gritty ridge]

Same sync as my current opponent in spa

[high stream]

What? Why? What does this even mean. Suspicious of what

[gritty ridge]

Im suspicious that you may be in my spa

[tropic summit]

try these

[high stream]

My Label not built right now .. Biscuit is very built

[high stream]

Uhh .. i posted my bracket. So u should see. The top 11 are very competitive .. and even all the way down to rank 30 .. constant rank shifts.

[tropic summit]

• vestiTU indom sounds great on paper, but it has been widely used, it's well known how to counter it, you need to get more original
• helmT main B3 is generaly a bad choice, as it can be kited, also avoid using helmT and SWHA in the same team

[high stream]

People as low as rank 35 are trying to take my top 10 spot every couple days

[swift mango]

Use xmaid then

[high stream]

Will have to build her, but I have the ressources to probably full build 2-3 nikke if necessary.

[gritty ridge]

Its not you then, im no longer suspicious

[swift mango]

The important thing is cp

[swift mango]

Show me your boxes.

[high stream]

strongest nikke in my bracket hover around 120k I think.
Weak nikke hover 95 - 100k, anything below .. u drop out of the average 1.7M power the top 11 have

[tropic summit]

@high stream this is partially good advise, but a ton of CP with an abusable team does not give you a good def, it needs to still have enough pressure while pushing for the enemy to use non meta units to pad to reach the CP requirement

[high stream]

I showed the bracket, I dont think I can cp pad anything here. The top 6 are monsters, some of them twice as high in cp as everyone else
And rank 7 to 11 are all around 1.7M, me included

[high stream]

One sec

[tropic summit]

then give up, you won't defend against those if they're on your same knowledge and with meta units

[unique wagon]

Hi suspicious of you

[high stream]

I have every single Nikke in the game .. there has to be a defense I can build that at least tries .. no?

[tropic summit]

i told you before, put yourself in the attacker shoes and look at your teams

[swift mango]

You could try to def against d3

[tropic summit]

you'll soon realize, there's no unbeatable defense

you do not win at defense, it's the opponent that at best fails to solve it

[gritty ridge]

Youre not my father

[tropic summit]

make it as hard as possible, at some point you won't be able to defend anymore because the game is designed to let attackers always win

[high stream]

not unbebatable. But if they are all 1.7M like me .. and they rely on cp pad .. i thought, maybe with a really good third team, while forcing them to use blanc and noah against two teams .. i can beat their third teams.

[swift mango]

Hi Prydwenyan

[restive heart]

thanks brother

[gritty ridge]

I love the idea of defending

Too bad its not real

[tropic summit]

that's copium

we gave you plenty of advise either way, work on your 2 weak links and make original teams that can "trap" the opponent

[swift mango]

@tropic summit found ur son

[tropic summit]

you won't win with stereotype defenses

[swift mango]

You do, if you gapped them

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I would be a simp for @umbral belfry if she was still Arcana , right now I’m just slave

[high stream]

Including all Nikke .. very few exceptions. No Emilia.
Besides that .. Missing Sora, Delta, Soline
Frima, Milk, Velvet, Aria ..
All other Nikke I have

[swift mango]

Just use any b3 of high CP that's not a MG and SG if possible tbh

[high stream]

Alright

[tropic summit]

unless you're blind and you missed the part where he said he can't gap them

[gritty ridge]

What if he has crow high cp

[tropic summit]

just uninstall at that point

[swift mango]

He would instantly win life

[tropic summit]

[high stream]

When u say trap .. here is what I think.
When I put myself in attacker shoes. I feel like for example .. "Slow blanc indom" is easier to miss. You just run standard blanc and assume it works. Maybe ignorance and laziness makes it so that a slow indom might work better on defense, cause it bets on attackers ignorance. But if they're smart, they'll fail once, adjust and then win.

I for example didnt realize slow indom can counter a faster indom

[swift mango]

Rail, where are you... Rail are you there? Where are you rail? I can't find THE WAY!

[tropic summit]

ye that's about right, a 2RL indom that is in fact a 2.5RL indom may win the trade off

[tropic summit]

but honestly it's not necessarely worth the chase, rather focus on the teams you want to survive against

[gritty ridge]

This is yucky to look at

[tropic summit]

there's around 5-6 archetypes nowdays you need to be resistant to

[gritty ridge]

Vesti

[swift mango]

I can't see very well so I need someone to walk me around.

[tropic summit]

scar-trina-rh
nayuta-rosanna-jackal
noah-biscuit (DPS)
noah-biscuit (nuke)
indom (DPS or nuke)
any stun comp
any SG comp

focus on starting to make teams resistant or that can mitigate the above

[gritty ridge]

Is that so

[swift mango]

Rail could testify

[high stream]

Im very familiar with blanc, noah now, I think
In fact, since all ur advice 2 days ago .. i kept my rank 8. I solved every single attack myself, over 5 times by now and took rank 8 back every single time. But I also keep losing it. So now im more focused on defense .. i think i can win against them for now, I think at least their current archetypes .. i have them all figured out.

[tropic summit]

good that's progress

now put that knowledge into your defense teams, you know what attackers can abuse to win, work around those

a team weak to siren? fix it
a team too slow? fix it
a team weak to nukes because it is a glass cannon? fix it
etc etc

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-mining-halving-the-halvening-the-halving-gif-6301364943919561875

[high stream]

alright .. i'll try my best, but I honestly feel like .. the biggest advantages u can get on defense is betting on attackers ignorance, lack of certain built nikke .. or laziness. Make them frustrated that they're losing gems. Deterrent.
Maybe switch defenses constantly .. slow indom, fast indom, slow indom, fast indom .. and so on. Burn them out.

You cant defend .. so .. maybe pi## them off

[tropic summit]

you got it right, that's exactly what it gets down to

ultimately you cannot defend, but you can make it as hard as possible

[hollow lagoon]

Or u know just out sync

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/getout-28

[high stream]

hard. Rank 11 to 6 are super competitive, they spend gems, they try to keep up with sync, u can see it all unfold. They switch defenses, they are actively constantly adapting. Very cool. But also very stressful bracket. And rank 6 to 1 have their own battle of monsters going on that everyone stays out

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193027408304025683/1296246248914817124/axszQ19s-6ifkZxT1kS5k-5k.gif

[lunar pawn]

can rosanna dispel absolute team buffs without them reapplying?

[high stream]

exactly my feeling and my frustration

[tropic summit]

don't get frustrated at this, not worth your time
the game mode is poorly designed, lacks QoL and is actively promoting p2p

play your 2 attempts and p*ss off to something worth your time

[high stream]

seems like it. especially the "no defense can defend"

but i'll try to tick them off for a bit

see how they react or adapt

[tropic summit]

ye that works but don't get stressed over it

not worth it

[rocky sparrow]

and now ?

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laughing-lmao-really-gif-11770436

[swift mango]

You mean slave slave
or this kind of slave?
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series/cmuh7n3/dorei-tensei-sono-dorei-saikyou-no-moto-ouji-ni-tsuki
Or this kind of slave?
https://comick.dev/comic/mato-seihei-no-slave

[lunar pawn]

wait you treasured centi?

[rocky sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-gif-16827497663049161731

[tropic summit]

T1 is an abomination, don't put noah and blanc in the same team,** scrap it**
T2 better but why helmt with scar-jack,** scrap it**
T3 very weak threat, scrap it (pointless to have 2RL but then it's pepega threat),** scrap it**

[hollow lagoon]

The one chained in a mine mining rock kind of slave

[high stream]

i heard thats a big sad

[rocky sparrow]

centi is my wife don't blame me

[hollow lagoon]

I treasured her I just didn’t go phase 2

[tropic summit]

don't be a booly

he's learnin'

[rocky sparrow]

Treasured before i know it was a break pvp

[lunar pawn]

it's ok, you can blame SU

[hollow lagoon]

Good on slow Cindy it’s not a end the world

[swift mango]

Chained Soldier it is then
https://comick.dev/comic/mato-seihei-no-slave
Beta Chained Slave with a harem of yandere girls.

[tropic summit]

there's just no way you can excuse a centi treasure actually, it's just downright bad in every situation minus attack, where you've plenty of tools anyway

call it for what it is: a bad choice that will haunt you

now if only SU could design a magical option... say... that lets you pick the phase of your treasure on demand? naaaah no way right

[hollow lagoon]

Phase 1 treasure is still treasure

If su get rid of burst gen per target struck the game will become much derpier

[tropic summit]

we've reached such a low point that breaking things might actually fix things

[hollow lagoon]

Rough

[high stream]

one question. Retro brought up this siren + privaty stun tech .. could this work as a annoying defense team to build around?

[swift mango]

https://www.mangaupdates.com/series/cmuh7n3/dorei-tensei-sono-dorei-saikyou-no-moto-ouji-ni-tsuki

While this is Alpha super soldier slave with tons of girl falling for him, that's actually ruler of a nation in his last life about to reclaim his throne.

Slave in Jpn Manga has it good.

[hollow lagoon]

If you are annoying enough I can be mad enough to slot a Ade for immunity

[lunar pawn]

privaty has like no gen + feeds jackal

[high stream]

hmm, i see .. so no go

[tropic summit]

assuming they run the wrong counter sure

[high stream]

i tried fiddling a bit with it on attack teams, but couldnt find success

[hollow lagoon]

I’ll try dis one

[high stream]

well, enough brain exhaustion on pvp for today. Time to do more pleasant things

[tropic summit]

you can try running similar archetypes to this, might surprise your attacker

conditions:

• privaty and swha linked
• privaty has more HP than jackal and SWHA
• team runs 2 quantums lvl 7 on jackal and laplaceT (this ensures you can be promoted to 2RL via minimal feed)

the idea is that you stun + nuke then enter offburst indom on SWHA

[high stream]

hmm .. interesting. I'll have to see if i meet the conditions. I'll note that down for later.

[tropic summit]

this team is also running a partial trap, if opponent runs siren to prevent the nuke, they'll just make your SWHA stronger and more punishing during indom

as she'll become your main B3

[high stream]

but also, yet another team using up blanc. But at least this indom would require more creativity to be countered by another indom

[tropic summit]

keep in mind the team is sensibile to rosanna-jackal although, as 2 water codes present

[cedar sorrel]

Good info being thrown around here

[high stream]

its mostly cause im very persistent and annoying

take screenshots and notes. thats what i do

[cedar sorrel]

Im learning from your learning

[high stream]

[wild hemlock]

[swift mango]

I will go phase 2 and 3 soon

[hollow lagoon]

[hollow lagoon]

[cedar sorrel]

Units like centi rumani etc u want to sr5 4ol right?

[hollow lagoon]

Yes and no but yes

U want dolls to make them harder to kill

[swift mango]

Full SR15

[hollow lagoon]

And u want ol for CS

[cedar sorrel]

So 4ol with 4 CS rolls is optimal cuz hit certain breakpoints?

[cedar sorrel]

Ouch

[high stream]

one last question.
I want to try using a slow indom and see what happens, if they fall for it
But i wanna try using that third team to see if they can counter it .. seen that team in CA as well .. who can i use instead of RH in team 1 to slow roll the indom?

[swift mango]

11%+ cs

[cedar sorrel]

And what does that let ur unit do that u couldnt before? Just burst faster?

[tropic summit]

what's this slow indom you've seen?

[swift mango]

3rl b1 before 2rl b3.
2rl b2 before siren stun

[lunar pawn]

optimal =/= worth it
you won't be seeing more gems because of it, most of the time, and even if you do, won't return your investment

[high stream]

its the one u showed me .. that team 1 is the slow indom i use to counter the other indoms .. Jackal, Blanc, RH, Biscuit, SWHA .. so i thought, maybe if they're lazy and ignorant enough, they attack my indom with a faster indom

[cedar sorrel]

Oooh yea I remember that 2nd point thats how ur nayu can dodge mermaid stun

[cedar sorrel]

Also fair

[tropic summit]

oh alright

[high stream]

but i wanna use RH in that third team and im not sure who can sub her best

[tropic summit]

jackal blanc siren biscuit swha would be a good alternative to the same archetype, as you add stun pressure while retaining 2.5RL indom assuming they don't forcefully feed you into 2RL

[high stream]

alright, let me try that

[rocky sparrow]

Idk how I can improve this, show me a solution dear friend
https://www.blablalink.com/user?openid=MjkwODAtNTcwNTk1MDQwNTMyODQwMTgxOA==

[umbral crown]

but why light mode for nikke deck

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

move rapu p1

[rocky sparrow]

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit will sbs be viable in PvP again?

[swift mango]

never

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt label emilia
• moran noah siren biscuit swha
• jackal vestiTU blanc nihil laplaceT

[tropic summit]

she still is viable, it's just that CA sh*ts on her and she's weak on defense cuz distributed dmg is garbo

you can use her on attack teams

[hollow lagoon]

Nihilister

[rocky sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933998762229845/1348736684983980133/doroEdit.gif

[swift mango]

[forest zodiac]

is it possible for me to kill this guy?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-toilet

[tropic summit]

box

[forest zodiac]

its a week old but not much changed

at least no new nikkes or syncs

[swift mango]

[forest zodiac]

I can give blabla if needed

[cedar sorrel]

Nihilister battery gaming

[tropic summit]

no it's fine, what's rosanna OLs?

[tropic summit]

oke usable

show CP with these:

need:

T1 1038k CP
T2 1075k CP
T3 1126k CP

[tidal lichen]

[forest zodiac]

some cubes are equipped here and there

[tropic summit]

CP looking good, give it a shot and record

oh if you didn't run yet lemme speed up T3 a bit first

as we got CP leeway

[cedar sorrel]

Whats the idea behind nayu rosanna? Isnt rosa usually played with nikke that die so she gets burst gen?

[tropic summit]

blanc rumani cindy biscuit siren @forest zodiac

[tropic summit]

rosa directly counters jackal and jackal links as she breaks them at 1RL

combined with nayuta hitting before blanc application, you can wipe links before they get to B2

[forest zodiac]

what was this t3

soooo weird

some next level shit

[tropic summit]

it's funny cuz i gave you the rumani less version, was probably 6RL-7RL

[cedar sorrel]

And she does this cuz her burst just nukes them right?

[tidal lichen]

just slot 5 smgs to t2 to abuse siren bug

[tropic summit]

nayuta B2 is a wind nuke type, jackal is iron code, whole link gets hit by a nuke on ele weakness multiplier

[tidal lichen]

and make that team 3rl

[cedar sorrel]

I meant rosa cuz u said she breaks the link

[forest zodiac]

thanks

[cedar sorrel]

But thats good to know too

[tropic summit]

beautiful 7RL cindy

[oak hatch]

Rosa dispels buff and jackal link is a buff

[tropic summit]

rosa dispel breaks link on the 2 linked units, as she targets highest atk%, which also happen to be linked

[forest zodiac]

why he couldn't kill me?

[glad meteor]

Single target

[tropic summit]

blanc + biscuit synergy, enemy also only has p1 and p2 dmg

minus helmT B3 which targets highest atk%, which was alice we sacced in p2

[rocky sparrow]

How much cp diff/lvl I can dodge with that in your opinion

[cedar sorrel]

Ahh okay I see now thats crazy strong yeah

[tropic summit]

you've to make tailored teams based on what you facing if you're in deficit, those are general purpose teams

you're best asking here in chat for help when you plan to take on deficit, keep in mind some fights are impossible based on what units enemy is running

e.g. 25-30% deficit against 2RL teams is generally straight up impossible

against enemy 4RL (or slower) teams it might be doable

[swift mango]

siren it to 4rl

[tropic summit]

[cedar sorrel]

Yea Ive won deficit games but thats cuz theyre like completely 5rl cp pad

[swift mango]

Should I SR15 midhara for ziz?

[shell hazel]

I SR-15 my mihara anyway as she's good

[tropic summit]

you know full well what's the answer

we don't have a choice

[rocky sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1094896115691835424/1472931268118450207/20260216-1220-19.4906046.mp4?ex=69a58124&is=69a42fa4&hm=2f5f51ba69d083439fe3b166f1fdc57829a59e1d3f995c692bdc5e11dabe1a67&
My highest diff I ever hit it was 71lvl

[tropic summit]

unless somehow the privT + helmT full buffing RRH alone is enough

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-gif-2309001453098884459

[tropic summit]

crown moran rrh helmt privT cope

maybe from here to the next 3 months some mad lad will clear with privT

[swift mango]

there is but worse than midhara

[tropic summit]

then the time has come

i'll just pile up on resources until i'm in CP range then commit to either midhara or privT solution

whichever seems to work best at least

[tidal lichen]

surely we get fire true dmg part destroyer omega meta units in 3.5

[swift mango]

my privaty already p3 you slacker

[tropic summit]

SWHA but fire code, comes with true damage

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

mine is p3 too, just not OL'ed

[swift mango]

neon the terminator

[tidal lichen]

i highly doubt we get counters on 3.5 anniv but it would be pretty cool ngl

[swift mango]

emissary of the glasses goddess

[swift mango]

my is OL 5551 but suck

[tropic summit]

doesn't help that you're broke on rocks anyway

[glad meteor]

Baguette

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[tropic summit]

🥖

[glad meteor]

Merry union

[swift mango]

Why don't you ask merry to cook for u? He is more experience.

[rocky sparrow]

@worthy knoll boss someone asked you

[formal quiver]

@umbral belfry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146549839237238874/1459299352324341770/1442411115526230086.gif?ex=69a559ae&is=69a4082e&hm=55c96df67e91659558e7ef9b97fd6eea676de9eee203f8902250d63105488a82&

[glad meteor]

[unique mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/satono-diamond-uma-musume-satono-satono-diamond-worm-gif-10400485730432458344

[lone sequoia]

not in top4

[tropic summit]

ez win

[fast nest]

Wow

Isekai truck

[tropic summit]

you won lottery in reverse @lone sequoia

[lone sequoia]

my DR lost to lib, 70~80%HP as i thought, but looks like with DEF you can win the match up, still you don't want the crit or ele dmg against rapu...

[umbral belfry]

stop

[umbral belfry]

believe

[lone sequoia]

can lib land her nuke after she die?

[umbral belfry]

yes but it'll do baby dmg

[lone sequoia]

then i will lose 4-1

[umbral belfry]

at least it's not 5-0

[tranquil minnow]

yo guys I got 10 mins before reset how do I beat this )rookie). I tried noah-biscuit-swha-vesti-jackal but I lost

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit helmt siren swha

[tranquil minnow]

ok tryingi t

[lone sequoia]

imagine you go indom with jackal b1 not in p1

[tranquil minnow]

yep that worked p

thanks

[tranquil minnow]

i need to redo my sp arena attack teams too, havent changed them in forever

but ill do that later

[umbral belfry]

he's about to hit you at the last minute look out

[tidal lichen]

some1 stole my teams again 😭

at a higher sync

[tropic summit]

silly you giving away precious info

[tidal lichen]

[lone sequoia]

yeah, who changes his teams in front of other people(?)

[tidal lichen]

at least the guy doesnt spend gems on sp so i can peacefully keep my top2

[lone sequoia]

1~2 month for next reshuffle?

[tidal lichen]

no clue when those are

[rain thicket]

what's a good counter pick to this ?

[tropic summit]

moran siren swha helmt noah

[lone sequoia]

i like to trade indom+ vesti, other people still use scar/soda to kill that team

[tropic summit]

they're on lifesteal and would be on ele advantage, wouldn't SWHA be full HP every barrage and just win the trade?

[lone sequoia]

against vesti? the team i use is indom/swha+ vesti (just to proc early biscuit s2

[tropic summit]

oh oke your main B3 is swha

ye makes sense then

[lone sequoia]

i think scar stall should work...well only if can tank until swha die

[humble tiger]

Who's winning this time?

[tidal lichen]

mirror

or slow cindy with blanc

[upbeat dock]

Get wrecked, made 88% of people lose their bets

I might be cooked here though

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-on-fire-burning-funny-fail-gif-9096379592680244747

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bacon-crispy

[lunar pawn]

those 31% must need the unlucky frame

[tropic summit]

@lone sequoia gonna win this

[lunar pawn]

did we review his matches yet

[tropic summit]

i don't even need to look at it, nesso ez win

if he doesn't win it, it was just RNG

[lunar pawn]

peak CA content

[humble tiger]

Halp.

[tropic summit]

[lunar pawn]

if I win, it'd be the 1st time I reach top 16, we'll see though

[cedar sorrel]

Any of these beatable or chill in ch7? Their cp is getting out of hand now

[narrow birch]

Hey guys wanna get into SP Arena again what are the 3 best defence teams rn?

[swift mango]

Beatable but you won't hold

[cedar sorrel]

Is it not worth then?

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/akairo-azur-lane-warspite-gif-15199679

[wild hemlock]

With Moran treasure completed is it even possible for indom SW to kill Moran? I have 37% Atk OL and against typical moran setups with proper invest it seems impossible, specifically in CA. Debating if I get more Atk for SW or if it's kinda pointless

[swift mango]

You

[strange linden]

trying to do new SP teams, I'm going to do:

Jackal VestiTU Blanc Liberalio Emilia
MoranT Noah HelmT SWHA RH

I have no idea for the third team, none seems good enough for me like liberalio or Nayuta who can be easily countered in defense

[swift mango]

Then try to get to top 4

[lone sequoia]

i don't like the low cp of the units but probably pilgrim win

[crystal flicker]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177116972593463316/1477543087533461688/image.png?ex=69a5cd7b&is=69a47bfb&hm=4ea08ef4879aa766dcec5e96f549296bd81dbff4e381e7d7243d82395a8e5917&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Banana banana

[lone sequoia]

indom counter DR comps (i mean blanc)

[hollow lagoon]

Me leading some poor soul into the realm of the cursed

[lone sequoia]

your own guinea pig

[wild hemlock]

red hood buffed SW makes sense but I'm talkng just Blanc

Also what core lvl are you vs the moran

[tropic summit]

ch4 and ch6 look beatable, just do the maths first if you're in CP range on at least 2 teams, if it's a fully padded team you only need nayuta or biscuit locked team (up to a deficit of 25-30%)

[lone sequoia]

blanc alone is enough, rh is just an extra

[wild hemlock]

I often have matches like this

[lone sequoia]

biscuit

[wild hemlock]

It's happened without biscuit as well

[lone sequoia]

the 5extra sec moran get there help alone

[humble tiger]

[tropic summit]

he has synchro advantage and could gap, meh

[wild hemlock]

But I'm wondering if the 0 dup SW is doing me dirty

[cedar sorrel]

Okay I will have a look

[hollow lagoon]

[crystal flicker]

I have 4ATK 4Crit and some CDMG for SW

[tropic summit]

split helmt from swha, split vestiTU from emilia, make 3 proper teams

[hollow lagoon]

Which one(s) you think won

[glad meteor]

Probably

[lone sequoia]

i could talk about the different versions, but blanc damage taken debuff is enough to destroy most of the DR comps, now moran+biscuit is letal* if your team doesn't have good passive atk buff, moran DEF stacking is a problem if she get time

[glad meteor]

Need to take whel advice from zant

[wild hemlock]

This is mine

[narrow birch]

can someone with more knowladge help me I checked the pinned message but I kinda struggle to make 3 teams with the recommended one

[wild hemlock]

Not like amazing but I feel like it's good enough to handle moran but maybe it isn't

[lone sequoia]

just build swha for pve+ some ammo, at least 1 line

i won a mirror because mine have ammo

[wild hemlock]

I have ammo

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit ignoring my fun question

[wild hemlock]

I actually think the Moran didn't even get biscuit indom either

[lone sequoia]

one day, not next week probably

[glad meteor]

Bay biscuit will help tank

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta helmt trina rh laplaceT
• moran noah siren biscuit swha
• jackal vestiTU blanc centi drakeT

Notes

• utilities aren't well invested, in particular imrpove noah, biscuit, noise, jackal, trina
• build up vestiTU
• if emilia is down there somewhere, build her up

[glad meteor]

If only bay moran. Would prob have won i think

[tropic summit]

T2 and T3, T1 seems a bit iffy but may work

[narrow birch]

Thanks a lot Ill get into investing rn!

[wild hemlock]

I'll record it. Really just asking to see if I should roll better lines on my SW or if these matchups are unwinnable anyways

[wraith knot]

Yeah, just learned the hard way today that indom got countered hard by moran

Since her treasure also boost her lifesteal, she can wins against indom enemies

[lone sequoia]

swha indom can just oneshot moran if the have only 2 units left, biscuit s2 help them to stack DEF or get more time, bay/biscuit is like a 85%damage reduction comp if you burst before the enemy, but some units still can oneshot with the 15% dmg

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/koshi-torako-shikanoko-9

[narrow birch]

would quantum cube benefit anyone of them or just resillience and bastion ?

[hollow lagoon]

I was kind of shocked t2 died but Eah

[wild hemlock]

My exp in CA so far is my SW getting dumped on by most Morans

[tropic summit]

cubes

nayuta any
helmt tempering
trina any
rh any
laplaceT any

moran tempering
noah any
siren any
biscuit vigor
swha tempering

jackal quantum
vestiTU tempering
blanc vigor
centi quantum
drakeT any

[wild hemlock]

This is my experience as well, so I'm wondering if better SW invest would fix it or if that is not worth it since I'll lose anyways

[lone sequoia]

you have to check for biscuit, if you fight moran/biscuit you will probably lose, those 5seconds are a lot in time and dmg/def stacks

[glad meteor]

Enemy bricked. Reloading when indom end

[wild hemlock]

No she didn't even get Biscuit indom, I'll show you 1min

[lone sequoia]

the thing is that is not a "DR" comp, is bay/moran+ biscuit

DR go with moran and nero because both units give DR to the units that heal them (2~3)

[glad meteor]

Bay biscuit helps tank longer since dmg distribution towards bay while invul wont die for 5s

[cedar sorrel]

Does rosa dispel 2 highest atk or 2 highest atk with a buff?

[lone sequoia]

bay get like 40% of the total dmg and the rest take 15%, with biscuit you can just block all the dmg bay get

[glad meteor]

2 current highest atk

[lone sequoia]

2 highest at the time

[glad meteor]

Including buffs

New railtracer

[cedar sorrel]

So rosa could "miss" and dispel 2 highest even if they had no buffs?

[tropic summit]

just read her kit

after she shoots 10 bullets, the 2 enemy units with highest final ATK get dispelled

[wild hemlock]

Does that only work once Bay bursts, or does that work even before Bay bursts if she gets biscuit indom

[tropic summit]

the 10 bullets shot is generally 1RL-ish timing

[glad meteor]

After bay bursts, then the dmg distribution takes place

[cedar sorrel]

I read her kit and went here to ask and be certain

[wraith knot]

If enemy have 3 or more attacker, yes

[wild hemlock]

Ok so you still need to be kinda fast so Bay can burst in time I would assume

[wraith knot]

Well.. Snow white has delay

So 3 rl is enough time for bay to burst

[lone sequoia]

now... how bay/biscuit comp work? trying to burst and proc biscuit on bay before enemy nuke, to reduce most of the dmg she can, there is a big difference between 5 to 3 or 4 targets at the time of the nuke hit your units, the thing here is that bay work to give time to the team, something that moran likes (she also like to lose hp and heal back) but you don't have time with most of the indom comps @wild hemlock

[wild hemlock]

I should also mention I've lost to Moran/Noah as well with SW indom, with no biscuit at all. But so far personal exp tells me SW indom is kinda rough right now unless you also have a B1 buffer OR I just need to super min/max my SW and pray

But I doubt another like 5% Atk is going to win me these fights

[lone sequoia]

CA or SP? in sp blanc burst is enough to win against something like moran/noah/helmT, but against helmt b3 you have a weird cs range that allow helm to heal back between shots

in CA units can tank way more compared to average or high sync SP

[wild hemlock]

CA

I'll post it anyways but yeah I understand now. It's just indom on Bay absorbing most of the dmg here. I kinda wanna see other peoples SW without b1 buffer beating meta moran comps out of curiosity tbh to compare invest

[lone sequoia]

yep, moran team got too much time and she proc her S2 at the end of the fight

[wraith knot]

Tho, able to withstand a slow indom sw is impressive

[glad meteor]

Indeed

[wild hemlock]

Yeah like I think in this case I probably lose no matter my SW rolls I think... But like surely 5% more Atk wouldn't change this matchup or would it lol

I guess more crit rate for rng crits maybe...

[lone sequoia]

i think for those match ups against moran/noah is more about how moran is build instead of how strong SWHA is... not many people build moran for pvp and after her treasure most people go 4 atk/ele and crit rate, my moran have 0 DEF in my main (my ex-alt account had better rolls) and she still can tank a lot; +4DEF lines is like 13%extra HP for moran

[cedar sorrel]

How is this?

Ive never fought Rosa or Noise before but Noise read easier to beat... Im just attempting to OHKO the enemy in 1 swipe but idk if thats the strat
T2 is like 5rl so that should be easy

[lone sequoia]

and after the DEF lines is how much dmg she have to heal back with her burst

[wild hemlock]

Yeah my Moran is like 2 Def lines atm but makes sense

[gaunt pulsar]

@wild hemlock how many cores your swha has i wonder?

and cores on moran*

[wild hemlock]

My SW has 0 dups lol

That moran is Core 2

[gaunt pulsar]

when everyone equal on sync those are kinda can sway the matches

[wild hemlock]

[strange linden]

like doing a third team with HelmT? that kinda was the case on my old team
I did
Nayuta/Centi/HelmT/RH/LaplaceT
Moran/Noah/Biscuit/SWHA/Trina
Jackal/VestiTU/Blanc/Liberalio/Emilia

All of them 2RL and it did hold for a while but it got breached
it's really a bigger pain since scarlet bench

[swift mango]

Got what I want from the event

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

1 day SW banner will come back and maybe I'll grab a couple...

[swift mango]

[humble tiger]

You can do it. Takes a few practice and locking in to get all 3 stars at 70%.

[tropic summit]

ye those teams looked fine

switch around your indom with SWHA and lifesteal perhaps, turn the other 2 teams into nuke resistant with bay + biscuit and keep noise/moran + noah

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit wood dis be a fun def set? Also are you sure your Railtracer?

[valid inlet]

I ran a similar invuln Moran Bay this season and double bad luck cost me stopping at group

Moran get stunned and bay didn’t get invuln before Scar b3

[cedar sorrel]

@tropic summit I posted what I made here if you got time

[tropic summit]

• punish cindy team by killing their B1s in p1 and p2 with a fast nuker and early dmg on 2RL
• biscuit lock aganst their slow ass padded team with lib as main B3

the team against their pad can be on 25-30% deficit for all it matters

[glad meteor]

How come not

Bay biscuit snow cindy moran

[cedar sorrel]

So was my thought process sound or off

I guess shwa is too slow of a nuker?

[glad meteor]

Maybe couldve had moran get bisc s2 from scar, in p5

[tropic summit]

• who's linked in T1
• too slow
• why helmt B3 as main B3 ruins it all, rotate vestiTU as main B3, consider adding laplaceT instead of helmT for triple splasher pressure, helmT can help T2

[tropic summit]

ye too slow, you risk letting them indom

vestiTU + nayuta ensure you wipe p1 and p2

[hollow lagoon]

The slow ness is the point for t2 no?, hard to scar wipe, can’t lib wipe, weirdly awkward timing for indom

[glad meteor]

And bay have biscuit s2 in p1, so could have burst there

[cedar sorrel]

I see thanks bro

[crystal flicker]

C4 MoranT

[narrow birch]

Went from Diamond 1 to Challanger 6 with just using the defence teams for attack thanks a lot !!!!!!! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[tropic summit]

2 direct counters to DR, playing easy mode there eh

[crystal flicker]

He said I won because RH

[tropic summit]

yeah RH did a lot here, must've been shooting from position 6

[wild hemlock]

You still have a B1 buffer/dmg though

[cedar sorrel]

I will be in deficit with this squad. Can I remove jackal and run like helmt + red hood for cp pad?

[wild hemlock]

Oh this isn't even CA, idc about SP

[crystal flicker]

Same stuff tho

[wild hemlock]

It is not the same

[crystal flicker]

It's same

[wild hemlock]

?

It is not

[tropic summit]

@cedar sorrel forgot to remove helmT in previous SS, fixed

you can demote lib's team to 3RL and rotate RH and SWHA in the other

[crystal flicker]

You keep defending Moran win against Blanc when it's just your bad investment

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit - did you see devlog from arknights? also are you 100% sure you are in fact the railtracer?

[tropic summit]

what's happening in the devlog

[crystal flicker]

It's LB1 SWHA vs MoranT, what else do you need
And without Rosa I'll be on deficit

[hollow lagoon]

Breh I asked the same question he didn’t answer

[wild hemlock]

Well that's why I'm asking if I should reroll my SW more to win these matchups but once again SP arena is completely different than CA

[crystal flicker]

The only different thing is RNG tho

[wild hemlock]

No it's not

[tropic summit]

i dunno but it looks like

[crystal flicker]

Bro I'm B2B CA Finalist what are you yappin

smh

[shell hazel]

rossi and tangtang next banners, I await true waifu units

[hollow lagoon]

Wood u think t2 would be fine if upgraded to 2.5 instead?

[tropic summit]

damn rossi is on my list tho, might need to drop some resources on her

tangtang i'll prolly skipperoni

[crystal flicker]

So how many Orobelys they gonna give

[shell hazel]

not enough

[hollow lagoon]

I want rocks

[leaden canyon]

rosanna removes the label buff from two units right?

[tropic summit]

i got plenty ||by stealing them from you||

[shell hazel]

badger Hime for rocks

[hollow lagoon]

Can’t

[glad meteor]

Bay biscuit is tankier than morann nero

[wild hemlock]

What? Why are you so hostile LOL, the whole point of me asking was to ask if I needed mroe invest in the first place. And once again CA matchups are different than SP arena, when everyone is the same synch matchups play differently it is not the same

[glad meteor]

Against blanc sw

[valid inlet]

Sounds right

[glad meteor]

CA ranking agenda, no more role agenda

[crystal flicker]

Are you assuming I win deficit? lmao

[tropic summit]

blanc and SWHA are moran's bane afterall

[proven lintel]

Any suggestions for my DEF team

I've pretty much have everyone

[wild hemlock]

What? I don't know I don't even care I'm asking about CA man

[glad meteor]

Sw dmg comes later though. So harder for sw to beat moran with bisxuit

[crystal flicker]

It's same shit, you test your comp on Rookie and SP, then use it on CA

[glad meteor]

But different enemy

[finite hinge]

Just wanted to thank the chat for the help, I'm getting wins that just look impossible numerically without doing matchup checks.

[wild hemlock]

Alright I concede I guess CA and SP is the same and matchups always play at the same regardless of lvl 800 vs lvl 400 synch your right man my bad

[tropic summit]

T2 do not run blanc in p1 unless you want enemy to stun you and deny that team entirely
T3 weird team saccing lib and getting bsoda to nuke instead, a little weak as bsoda won't be lethal
T1 this team is strong but will be skipped for the above 2

[crystal flicker]

How the hell do you think we tested CA comp

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[cedar sorrel]

Damn I guess they still got indom off / it was too weak?

[finite hinge]

(This was at a 20% deficit)

[crystal flicker]

For your notes, I am 60 sync below in my bracket so keep crying noobs

[wild hemlock]

??? Are you ok man LOL

[glad meteor]

wot has your pic got to do with his fight though

[wild hemlock]

What did I do to you

[tropic summit]

see if you can fit a clip RL instead of ada and still not hit by deficit

trina or centi both will do

[cedar sorrel]

Not possible. Helmt is my only other burst gen with high CP left

[swift mango]

Nah I don't want to spend time on the other two. It's boring.

Only the dodging bullet is interesting.

[crystal flicker]

I'm behind everyone and got accused of winning by sync

[tropic summit]

post your box

[tropic summit]

it's osu all over again

[umbral belfry]

don't mind me just getting my out the way @wild hemlock

[formal quiver]

he's not accusing it of being sync. he's saying it's not representative of CA where small thresholds matter

[wild hemlock]

Bro no one accused you of anything calm down LOL holy shit I don't care about you or your SP arena man your the best player ever

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-dorothy-dorowhip-gif-13339968757220517040

[tropic summit]

nayuta vestiTU helmT SWHA jackal, you're above deficit with this?

[shell hazel]

is it friday yet?

[tropic summit]

in 5 days

[wild hemlock]

I was specifically asking for CA matchups with SW Indom with no B1 buffer vs typical meta Moran comps in CA
And you posted not only SP arena matchups, but also both of them had B1 buffers which once again I was looking for ones without any

[shell hazel]

[crystal flicker]

Learn to read

[wild hemlock]

You too buddy

[finite hinge]

hime detected

[crystal flicker]

Rosa is not even buffer smh

[finite hinge]

deploying fish

[umbral belfry]

who dis

[formal quiver]

maincord challenger moment

[wild hemlock]

Anyways

[cedar sorrel]

4k off even with all resil

[umbral belfry]

[finite hinge]

hello i have no idea who you are but a lot of people kept saying your name a bunch so i took note

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

Hime is best f2p player

[umbral belfry]

yeah I love being f2p

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/garthwaynes-praising-hallelujah-world-not-worthy-gif-1847499884014055249

[tropic summit]

you really gotta improve your jackal soon, might do with siren then

[daring remnant]

33 pulls a day

[finite hinge]

I assume they're a whale then.

[cedar sorrel]

You give me SR rl doll and I will

[umbral belfry]

you better be worrying about whether or not diane spreads those cheeks wide open rather than my pulls

[crystal flicker]

Do you think I can win this if I reduce the deficit to 20%

[shell hazel]

Hime - "works" with animals || yeah right more like just has way too much fun at work ||

[swift mango]

Is anyone here read One piece since over 15 years ago but still reading it now?

I was very into it up to big mom arc or something. But more and more characters appeared that feels like shit, story dragging. Panel getting biggest each chapter but telling zero story. Irrelevant filling stories that keep getting longer and longer.

Many times I wanted to comeback to it but I couldn't.

Just wanted to know what keeps you following the story for over 15 years.

[daring remnant]

[tropic summit]

vesti instead of xmaiden so you ensured to pop both biscuit stacks early, then ye

[tropic summit]

hime living the dream, having fun while working, pure madness

[shell hazel]

this is unheard of for me

[finite hinge]

I'm not entirely sure what you're implying, but if it's like being a zookeeper or a vet that's awesome.

I'm a gardener myself so I don't really make enough to be spending money on any game.

[shell hazel]

best I got is I get to play a few games of pool at lunch when I'm in the office lol

[crystal flicker]

I need to roll some for CP pad then

[cedar sorrel]

This is 268k so no deficit. Run it or too slow?

[tropic summit]

vestiTU CS% above 5%?

[cedar sorrel]

Because last team was same speed and better buffers

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry show them the work you do 😄

or maybe I can find it

[cedar sorrel]

4.33%.. I am rockless

[tropic summit]

with adjutant you're 6%, give her adjutant, i'll explain to you why:

[crystal flicker]

Adj cube

[cedar sorrel]

Thats the faster charging speed cube right

[umbral belfry]

vet tech is the main job but on the side I babysit doggos

[finite hinge]

Hell yeah! That's awesome.

[crystal flicker]

You're a vet

[shell hazel]

more hime

[tropic summit]

@cedar sorrel

[finite hinge]

Glad you enjoy your work, it's the kind of job you just cannot stick in if you don't love what you do.

[shell hazel]

"working"

[crystal flicker]

I always thought you one of those developer

[umbral belfry]

vet tech one step lower

[tropic summit]

hime legs in real life
huge reveal

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[cedar sorrel]

Lol that cube puts me 1k below deficit treshold

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/escape-im-out

[finite hinge]

[cedar sorrel]

That ⚡ mark means extra CS?

[tropic summit]

RRH more CP than siren?

[crystal flicker]

Skill upgrade fix this easily

[tropic summit]

slot RRH or RH instead of siren and you're good to go

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-angel-beats-gif-22681248

[cedar sorrel]

Give me gold books and I will

[cedar sorrel]

I should do rh then right for better b1 buff

[tropic summit]

dude i still remember the jetpack scene in this

[finite hinge]

angel beats my beloved

[tropic summit]

just thinking about it i start laughting

[finite hinge]

the dude getting sent into the ceiling as a distraction?

[shell hazel]

that was legit the best one

https://tenor.com/view/angel-beats-gif-22727845

[finite hinge]

that's the one

[tropic summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-XISVOtMU

[finite hinge]

fantastic show, 10/10, no notes

[tropic summit]

i was laughting like an idiot in the middle of the night while watching it

[finite hinge]

the soft emotional music during it really sold it

[crystal flicker]

just 444 your support

[shell hazel]

did the people in the pizza shop bring you a free pizza as an excuse to check on you? 😄

[cedar sorrel]

They are lol ur not helping rn

[crystal flicker]

777

[tropic summit]

they're closed after midnight it's all good

only a grandma in the room behind mine

[shell hazel]

damn no free pizza

[cedar sorrel]

And regardless the avg supports are still too low cp for this regardless since Im gapped like 60k

[shell hazel]

just sneak down and make a free pizza

https://tenor.com/view/ninjaa-gif-21386720

[tropic summit]

ah yes the midnight snack, a pizza

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-dog-fatlexics-wizardlover-phineas-and-ferb-candace-cheering-while-boys-get-busted-phineas-and-ferb-quantum-boogaloo-gif-4428168677033156338

[cedar sorrel]

What is this showing me btw?

[gritty ridge]

I used to get dry ramen, put it in a baggy, fill the baggy with hot water from the sink, then lit it sit for 15 minutes

[tropic summit]

2RL via vestiTU CS%, although it's non natural it's better than the previous 2.5RL

try with that one next

[cedar sorrel]

With rh over mermaid right

[tropic summit]

ye you need to not be in deficit

[tropic summit]

ramen at midnight is good

had plenty of noodles at midnight, good sh*t

[crystal flicker]

fr

3 packs of spicy ramen

[gritty ridge]

I get the maruchan for 50 cents a pack

[cedar sorrel]

Looks like same thing happened again

[tropic summit]

you sure you've 5%CS on vestiTU and had ajutant equipped?

[crystal flicker]

How'd you lose both SG match

[cedar sorrel]

I said 4.33% but yes

[tropic summit]

4% + 2% from adjutant is 6% and you hitting cindy in p3 for even extra burst gen

just fix your jackal CP then cba

you could run scarlet alternatively which is instant

[cedar sorrel]

Yea not happening lol she is reverse built

All good tho your def has held for like days so I dont think Ill be leaving ch7 any time soon

[tropic summit]

ye but fix jackal at least

give her OL, lines and doll

[cedar sorrel]

You telling me this isnt gonna make the SR doll appear tho

The moment I get it Im putting it on I don't need that doll for anything else

And lines I assume u want CS on there? Ill do that much later cuz I do want my other units built for campaign

And rocks are very scarce

[shell hazel]

in CA you mean?

[crystal flicker]

ye

MAnchor is...

[shell hazel]

I was trialling stuff a bit but meh - I don't really care 😄

I moved nayuta over to slow cindy comp so I was short a nayuta for SG team

[tropic summit]

any line, you need CP

if they happen to be CS% all the better

jackal is pvp core unit, you'll need her anywhere and even more so on deficit

[cedar sorrel]

I see so rolling for as many lines as possible pref a 3line for CP with CS is gonna be valuable

[tropic summit]

lvl 10 line (you get 1, 2 or 3 when you overload) gives CP, getting 3 of those per piece will make your CP jump decently higher

[cedar sorrel]

Ill keep that in mind then thanks for the time and effort anyway 💪

My jackal has 7 lines rn in total including a CS 4.92%

So I could reroll my initial 1 liners when I have some more rocks see what happens

But yeah I definitely have a super limited pool of units currently cuz of the CP diff so that makes it tricky

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit any tips?

[tropic summit]

you're not in deficit here right?

[gritty ridge]

I am

[tropic summit]

[gritty ridge]

200k deficit on that team

[tropic summit]

then you better post the enemy 3 teams and your box

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

i need to know how far you can push deficit

[gritty ridge]

Im thinking of dropping rumani for rh

Btw @lusty gull why is it blue now

[tropic summit]

blue is better for the eyes, a welcome improvement

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna run rh rq, if it loses ill drop box and teams

@tropic summit moran I stg

[tropic summit]

other team might actually be easier

[gritty ridge]

What if I go like, nayu clip clip lib rosa

For t1

[tropic summit]

T1 it's a lot of free burst gen thanks to cindy

you can afford getting p1 stunned with a backup B2 and won't need many buffs as they're 4RL

your problem is deficit, vestiTU on deficit is no joke

[gritty ridge]

She will oneshot i can almost guarantee

[tropic summit]

also the T3 you running is too expensive

on deficit you can't afford running a team like that

we can kite doroS on p5 while nuking link imo

[gritty ridge]

Rail that is the deficit team

I agree it's probably wasted on t3 tho

[tropic summit]

we need first anyway to find a team that hits 602k CP

p3 siren is abusable

[tropic summit]

show CP with this

we want 2 teams

T1 on 601k
T3 on 582k

[tropic summit]

oke gonna need to sacc

show this next

[gritty ridge]

Hey rail

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge 3rd team aswell when you ready

[gritty ridge]

I got it with a funny team

Ill save this for when I need to rehit

[tropic summit]

ye that works, p2 and p3 can be sacced

was the other plan if you couldn't meet the deficit

i'm running something similar againt my whale since he likes running emilia + vestiTU

that kills my p2 and p3 within 1.5RL

[gritty ridge]

Mmast surviving to b1 was actually a big boon there

Cuz it means she cast her buff before she died

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/RX1lAItxqrA?si=DQ8fCSfjKE3MhUy1

[glad meteor]

How to make enemy suffer

Bro still obssessed with me after i gave up rookie

[hollow lagoon]

that's how it is if u were evil

[glad meteor]

These devs are more evil

They created the system to allow the evil to take place

Kim poop

[tropic summit]

bah you can just safely ignore that

neither you or him get anything out of it, same rewards in rookie for top ranks

[glad meteor]

Regardless. I will not spend on this game

[tropic summit]

obviously

imagine supporting scam practices like Nikke's

[glad meteor]

Exacto

Esp when the company just releasing slop now

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nichijou-yukko

[glad meteor]

TEo lurking

[gritty ridge]

Im finally home

[cedar sorrel]

Am I seeing this wrong or are they insane gapping u

Nope theyre definitely 100s synchs above u nice

[gritty ridge]

Just those 2 silly

The other 2 are only a 60 sync gap

[cedar sorrel]

I guess top 3 is perfectly fine

Is xanne ever used in pvp still? Ill prob pull her when she releases again randomly just for collection regardless

[gritty ridge]

Not really

[lone sequoia]

still a b2 buffer without feed, probably good if you want for a fast comp, but not important in todays "meta"

[cedar sorrel]

I see. So more of an "I dont have much better" unit then than anything else

[lone sequoia]

pull for collection, her S2 also work against some teams, but you can get the win with normal teams

[glad meteor]

Trina killed xanne

[lone sequoia]

you got trina or scar first?

[glad meteor]

Trina

[cedar sorrel]

Ouch

[tropic summit]

bah situationally xanne can still have a spot

in CA in SG team if for w/e reason your nayuta is elsewhere, albeit will be weaker choice
in SParena you can play around sacc with her, we've a lot of burst gen options now

[umbral crown]

But what about the part of sending a message

[tropic summit]

nah we just trust the process

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

Then lets trust the process

[cedar sorrel]

Interesting good to know

Then I dont need to feel completely bad pulling her

[tropic summit]

when and if you'll reach a point where you've a lot of units and need to mess with def, she has a few comps

might get you some def wins on people who are unfamiliar with her kit and her combos with sacc

[cedar sorrel]

Is there any pattern behind already reran seasonal units their banners? Xlud xrupee and xanne all didnt release this winter cuz theyve already been reran too much or something right?

[raven plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1315109138984079511/image0.png?ex=69a627d4&is=69a4d654&hm=32e715db4e69fc426da6703286e2d615186d56785b00e881c11749e87fdd5f40&

[cedar sorrel]

So just whenever

[raven plover]

this already happened to the first summer units, they reran after last year summer along with christmas rerun iirc, 6 banners or something

[cedar sorrel]

Welp guess I'll keep stockpiling for now then thanks

[lunar pawn]

how often is rapunzel present in top CA rankers?

[floral kiln]

They reran in September laster year iirc?

[gritty ridge]

Rapunzel dropped off after nero moran stopped being used, shes back now with scar tho

[cedar sorrel]

Damn I started midst resident evil collab so barely missed it then

[gritty ridge]

The funny thing is that if your rapu was made for nero moran then she probably wont work with scar

[lunar pawn]

wdym not work with scar

[gritty ridge]

She needs to be low hp/defense

[lunar pawn]

insta banned lol

[gritty ridge]

My rapu for example is r15 no ol

[lunar pawn]

mine's running at sr5 think she's better with no more upgrades?

[gritty ridge]

Full ol?

[lunar pawn]

mine got cooked last match vs like 3-4 SGs

yea full ol

[gritty ridge]

Hmm

It may be alright, gonna be rough tho

Standard is rapu scar helm trina x.soline

[lunar pawn]

what I'm currently running

uh I'm the defender at the top

don't think t3 has much hope though

[gritty ridge]

I dont think so, doesnt look like rapu will get low enough to stun

[lunar pawn]

yea my only worry there is t1

[rich quail]

Do Rapu and Soline basically keep Scar alive or resurrect her?

[tropic summit]

she's used with soline synergy, ensuring she's low enough HP but also not dying pre burst

[gritty ridge]

I think t1 sg wins actually

[rich quail]

My Rapu is weird

4 ele dmg lines

[lunar pawn]

kinda dropped soline after my absolute team fiasco last season, might reconsider next season

[gritty ridge]

Soline keeps rapu in low enough health range for her to teamstun at b1

[lunar pawn]

[gritty ridge]

Try chisato/mast or crown

[rich quail]

I will try this, thank you

[lunar pawn]

I ran, uh, emma eunhwa tvesti mast soline iirc

not in that particular order

[cedar sorrel]

I know flora sees fringe play to buff tvesti in the absolute comps but isnt takina a better true damage buffer now?

[lunar pawn]

maybe, but I feel the absolute team is falling off, not to say it's not racking up some wins, but might not be as consistent

[cedar sorrel]

Ah I see

[gritty ridge]

Does takina buff pre burst?

[gritty ridge]

Thats an active skill, it starts on cooldown

[cedar sorrel]

Ah I didnt know that.. that sucks then lmao

[lunar pawn]

oh I didn't use soline I think

[cedar sorrel]

Yea she wont be true dmg buffing then

[lunar pawn]

mast flora absolute I think was my team

didn't get me past prelims

[umbral crown]

mast version is too slow

use emilia, snow or helm

[lunar pawn]

does it even matter

whole point of that team is to destroy the enemy before FB

btw does taunt work on rosanna's nuke? and if so, only 1 hit right?

[umbral crown]

of course, cuz there are teams that take advantage of it being slow

my first runs with peaksolute was with snow and it hardly lose cuz team was 2.5

absolute with snow and soline

now its with emilia

but i started with helmT then snow and now emilia

[lunar pawn]

needs serious investment with emilia

[lunar pawn]

still unsure about this and whether rosanna can dispel continuous buffs for good

[gritty ridge]

If its only applied once then yes

Also yes taunt works on her nuke