pvp-arena

[onyx scaffold]

attacker. im attacking this whole season

[hollow lagoon]

Looks like t3 t4 w t5 toss up, t2 toss up Ada version could sustain?, t1 no clue

[umbral crown]

to me you win

your vesgti high ele?

[hollow lagoon]

If he blow up Blanc he win

If he don’t blow up Blanc welllll then

[onyx scaffold]

47%

[umbral crown]

just trust the process

im afraid might nt be enough to 1 shot blanc unlesss some crit

[onyx scaffold]

then i still win because my blanc bursts after his blanc

[hollow lagoon]

Well depends who lands the shot after indom

Since vesti has gap between shots

If u not lucky u not lucky

[raven plover]

you guys have ele

[hollow lagoon]

I have 16%

[umbral crown]

87 + the ele from tempura 15

[onyx scaffold]

i have 3 ele lines but

@raven plover rmb i asked u who to get sr15 for CA?
I went for nayuta and got her sr15... but

i forgot to re-save

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-facepalm-lmao-gif-15446474421410342464

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

it's bayover

[keen vapor]

Change it

[hollow lagoon]

[keen vapor]

Machine gun?

[lunar pawn]

team tips?

[gritty ridge]

Rail its time

[mystic wind]

Team tips?

[tropic summit]

teams assumed not in deficit (multiply enemy team CP for 0.846, your team CP must be at least that value)

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit time for me to prayage vesti counter

[tropic summit]

[gritty ridge]

Rail, noise or label

I like label cuz she prevents scar from wiping

[tropic summit]

is this sp arena def?

[gritty ridge]

Thats what im thinking

My group isnt smart enough for snipers to target p5

[tropic summit]

looks good

stable teams on all 3 although scarlet is your weak link

[lunar pawn]

Wait, is this time I use label?

[gritty ridge]

You didnt answer my question

[tropic summit]

i thought it was obvious, noise

label is useless on defense

it's like you write in caps on your forehead "please use eletric, anything else i'm useless"

[mystic wind]

Thanks it worked, Can you help me build deff teams?

I can say i have every nikke and favorite items

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi helmt rh laplaceT
• moran siren swha lib noah
• jackal blanc vestiTU biscuit drakeT

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit how’s my def

Urber Pad, DR abuse, Inst Scar

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/apothecary-diaries-maomao-3

[tropic summit]

you've a vesti and yet not using her... criminal

[covert lintel]

Our team might meet
It seems like i'm losing if my team meets you

[tropic summit]

change their order

[hollow lagoon]

Vesti nuke inst?

[tropic summit]

mana is useless, bench her for DPS

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[tropic summit]

also gives you speed to be natural 2RL

[mystic wind]

Thanks mate

[gritty ridge]

Shes also a solid b1 buff and she has good survivability

[raven plover]

I havent check teams too lazy

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

yeah go ahead and make your enemy life easier, suit yourself

[gritty ridge]

Rail im gonna need you to explain how shes bad

[hollow lagoon]

She’s good (in bed)

[tropic summit]

think what noise does and what label does

if you can't tell from that, i've bad news for you

[gritty ridge]

Label prevents electric nuke at 2rl, buffs at b1, has a shield and target swaps once shield is broken

Noise has alot of health and buffs dr when hit

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit can I pick your brain or you done for the night?

[tropic summit]

depends

i'd rather not play CP tetris at 4AM

[leaden canyon]

I dont need a full cook, I'm just theorizing how to beat team 1 with the left over units, sometimes scarlet blanc trina hood jackal kills it if scarlet can get indom but its like 50/50

[tropic summit]

sure go ahead

[leaden canyon]

So would need to cook team 1 without any of those units from 2 or 3

[covert lintel]

Idk why ppl match label with another electric team
Her purpose is wasted
she should be in a team with a lot of water nikke

[tropic summit]

T2 and T3 already win?

[leaden canyon]

Against that version I ended up doing something else because his rosanna and vesti gets rosanna nukked but SWHA lives to get indom

I used moran helm stall

it worked great

and yeah t3 always wins

[tropic summit]

oh ok so the units unavailable:

crown biscuit centi vestiTU rumani
moran anchor helmt trina swha/laplace?

[leaden canyon]

Some times noah unavailable too but thats flexible with anchor

also my noise could probably replace moran

[tropic summit]

you need moran or nayuta open for ensuring p5 stays alive

and you need jackal to ensure p1 stays alive

alternatively you need biscuit open

which is impossible realistically

[leaden canyon]

For the for sure outcomes yes but this is why I wanted to pick your brain

[tropic summit]

enemy team is 2.5RL meaning they're also on moran B1

[leaden canyon]

some stuff to try

[tropic summit]

i don't really see it possible to handle T1 unless you get indommed

especially because blanc is the only real counter and they're granted to be on moran B1 and on deficit advantage

[leaden canyon]

depending on the units I can be out of deficit

[tropic summit]

oh?

[leaden canyon]

I just need 23

to get out

[tropic summit]

nero is actually burstable assuming low feed units

privT here would be amazing ironically

[leaden canyon]

I have phase 1

would need to overload her though

also I basically got centi treasure for free so I just phase 1 it and am keeping it there

moran is phase 3

[tropic summit]

what's CP of this

we need to sucide on nero with heavy hitters and water code

[leaden canyon]

its in deficit, 218, thats mostly because nayuta is being a pain with rolls and keeping me from working on emilia whos also low cp wise

[tropic summit]

post your box first 2 lines makes it easier

[tropic summit]

bah indom looks like the only viable way

[leaden canyon]

yeah

I was thinking scarlet rapunzel moran

moran p5

scarlet gets rez into indom

no jackal and it wont be in deficit I think

[tropic summit]

do you get out of deficit with this?

[leaden canyon]

I think its out of deficit lmao

[tropic summit]

need 2369k

you're in deficit

[leaden canyon]

let me check cubes

[tropic summit]

if you get out of deficit, that's a lot of dmg on p1 at least

[leaden canyon]

ok its all 15 cubes

so I need some rolls

[tropic summit]

yeah don't not worth it

give up on T1 unless you commit to it, it would need units from other teams

sucide with 3 splashers + scarlet would kill nero, they're only on B1

[leaden canyon]

is there any way to guarntee scarlet gets indom with scarlet blanc trina hood jackal? maybe I just remove the cube on scarlet?

[tropic summit]

you can if you sacc p1

[leaden canyon]

hmm so trina

[tropic summit]

with scarlet linked or link killed

on high deficit i used to sacc my link with unlinked scarlet getting indom

but it's... crazy to say the least

[leaden canyon]

hm scar and hood are linked here

Its so weird I cant figure out why its 50/50 if scar gets indom on that team

I even tried taking temp off scar and putting vigor on hood

still random

well I'll keep experimenting on it

[tropic summit]

found it

[leaden canyon]

oh

[tropic summit]

timing needs to be very on point, so it's really just wild

[leaden canyon]

with alice it would not be in deficit

but alice would be linked with hood I think

I'll check

[tropic summit]

scarlet can stay unlinked if you want to get link sacced

at that point blanc will pick scarlet

[leaden canyon]

ok yeah alice and hood linked

[tropic summit]

you can mess around with your death timing and make sure blanc and scarlet are the only ones alive

possibly get a RH B1 off before getting sacc'ed

[leaden canyon]

cp of it

still in deficit I think but its small

that will just help the sac though I guess, now need to just test it

[tropic summit]

yeah that link needs to die to give scarlet indom

[leaden canyon]

He hasn't attacked me again, I wonder if hes actually going to try and snipe now

[tropic summit]

does he gain anything from sniping you?

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit i thought you quit

[tropic summit]

why would I

i was health wise sick though

[leaden canyon]

I wont gem him if he snipes, I'll just wait to snipe him back

[atomic wolf]

eh fair, take care

[leaden canyon]

Hes in 4th

So hes trying for top 3 but only goes after me

[tropic summit]

so both of you will end up in CA at least

[leaden canyon]

even though he can also beat 2nd place and fight the whale

and he only targets me in rookie

[tropic summit]

lovely relationship as always

[atomic wolf]

yeah speaking of 4th

i got moved to a different bracket, and i was getting super tired of the game

i quit before the lycoreco collab happened

[leaden canyon]

was thinking of try helm vesti SWHA rosanna blanc next in rookie, rosanna noah works against the other two who were beating me, but not my rival

[atomic wolf]

that bracket had at least FOUR people with 20 more levels than me

can't express how much i want to talon Q their family in game

[leaden canyon]

man I need to do my dailies on wuwa, zzz and endfield

I also put off my weeklies on wuwa

I have now deleted the evidence of what I use against him

[tropic summit]

bold of you to play several gacha games at a time

2 is generally way more than enough

[leaden canyon]

Nikke only takes like 5 minutes of my time now

[atomic wolf]

i want to like do nikke dailies

[tropic summit]

ye nikke is at least manageable

[atomic wolf]

but i feel like i have less ti

ok yeah screw it i'm reinstalling nikke (fourth times)

[leaden canyon]

between the others its like 15-20 minutes per each

so like an hour or hour and a half to do everything depending on weeklies

[lunar pawn]

nikke doesn't take much time outside new events/story releases

[upbeat dock]

Holy.. i made it into top64 lol

[lunar pawn]

poor bot

[upbeat dock]

These people have no faith in me

[lunar pawn]

I wonder if someone managed to lose to a bot yet

[upbeat dock]

80.85% about to lose their cheer

I should take that 3-0 i think

[lofty spire]

Does anyone have a good counter for this? I'm level 485 btw

[sweet rapids]

the voters are just sheep and go by Commander level

[ionic rose]

does siren not work?

[severe dawn]

Hello, I need advice to beat this guy
My team 1 win, Team 2 lost, Team 3 my Helm and Emila didnt survive to burst
Please make 3 teams to counter him, I have all nikkes

[lofty spire]

sometimes she does, but sometimes blanc bursts before she gets stunned. just asking if anyone has a more sure fire way of counter it

[coarse lake]

6163488114

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit helmt siren swha

[lunar pawn]

can this 3-0 sweep? or am I coping

[lofty spire]

worked perfectly, thanks

[real abyss]

am i screwed for treasuring centi

[lofty spire]

what does treasuring her do anyways?

[lunar pawn]

yes

think it's only starting in p2 though, is she still p1 for you?

also why is noah in p1? who's faster there, noise or her

[scarlet adder]

is this much cp enough to crush him or his true dmg screw me ?

[oak hatch]

Risky probably, vesti is able to beat higher cp oftentimes

[swift mango]

people cheer by synch/account level before everything.

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango i’m so unlucky i got hard-countered by both of them

[swift mango]

I'm lucky enough to not getting beaten by a lo-licon

Almost thoughq

[zinc flicker]

I’ve always wondered: Why does RRH thrive everywhere besides arena? Doesn’t really make sense to me bc she deals quite a lot of damage

I mean, why is she worse in arena than everywhere else

[swift mango]

She is mg. In arena she is good ATK option.

Her gen is low and while she has AoE, her aoe dmg isn't high.

[worldly osprey]

the team placement gacha was already unlucky. the atk/def gacha was even worse. i got hard-countered on all 4 teams

[swift mango]

Well, maybe start coping meta team so you have less weakness

[worldly osprey]

[swift mango]

Who am I to say, my teams are bad as well this season.

[worldly osprey]

but honestly, the 3 times i won a championship, i wasn’t following the meta at all after that i started following the meta and lost everything. so now i’m trying to not follow the meta again and see how it goes

[worldly osprey]

[swift mango]

Those were early days where there were no established meta.

And people investment were bad

[restive heart]

no youre coping

[worldly osprey]

i’ll cook for one more season and see how it goes. if it doesn’t work out, i’ll probably have to go back to following the meta

[swift mango]

Well, just look at the champ teams on the discord you could find clicking on my avatar. And create team base on that, similar or counter or something not worse.

[scarlet adder]

regarding this site, fights are in 30 fps but this site shows everything based of 60 fps yes? so 3 seconds siren stun is 180 frames and not 90 ?

[swift mango]

There is a timer for siren stun.

[scarlet adder]

i see it marks moment it starts only

and then i need to calc 3 seconds myself

[swift mango]

then I think so

[scarlet adder]

so 180 frames?

[swift mango]

yeah

[scarlet adder]

ok thanks

[worldly osprey]

got it. thanks a lot

[restive heart]

[umbral crown]

[lethal karma]

need a monthly refresher on defensive setup for this fella (rest of the roster on 4th image)

[onyx scaffold]

help me cook new def plz

here is the ingredient

[north brook]

Cn meta looks like nonsense

[ivory violet]

what are they running over there

[north brook]

Just see xdiesel and raven next to year 1 units

But tbh ud need to look on like a cn chat prob doubt anyone knows the unit differences well here

[onyx scaffold]

just assume there is no difference

[stable temple]

what support said about such situation? Will they fix her somehow or devs just ok to set such huge trap for players?

[north brook]

Devs just didnt think the kit through that much

[humble tiger]

Curious... ah well...

I won't fight it.

As much as I love to leave my PvP fights over a cointoss, I don't think it's worth it.

[runic coral]

heeeellppp

[north brook]

Blanc indom longer than nayu so it will win if it comes to that

Maybe theres a cs trade going on

[swift mango]

CN alt.

[swift mango]

I remember Yan is good for Arena in CN?

What's her skill again. Dispell and?

[swift mango]

Actually like Asuka said, need to know the units CN have and a sample of what they are running for DEF

[spiral onyx]

Yan is different in CN?

[covert lintel]

Make yan great in global too

[swift mango]

Yeah

She is a CN and all

[spiral onyx]

You know what... That kinda makes sense

Her kit is pretty bad

They wouldn't allow for that lol

[swift mango]

[spiral onyx]

I was actually expecting Rupee, Dolla and Yan to be next for treasures after Milk, Frima and Sugar

RIP Sugar

[humble tiger]

This sucks.

[leaden canyon]

imagine sugar treasure just giving the entire team attack speed, not including only sg

the chaos that would cause

[spiral onyx]

Attack speed is underrated

Need an attack speed cube

[onyx scaffold]

yan, laplace have better burst gen in CN.
Yan was used for the first month but went downhill later

[spiral onyx]

Even better than global post fixes?

[leaden canyon]

Real

[onyx scaffold]

bruh there is no global yan https://nikke.top/

[leaden canyon]

Like the only other cubes we can get at this point are what, sustained damage increase? attack speed makes sense

[spiral onyx]

Actually, I think Yan PvP theorycrafting was one of the first things I talked about in this server

Yin = Yan
Dora = Dolla
Liberty = Privaty
These were based on the old beta skill sets which were very different

[onyx scaffold]

the cn text: 国服特色增加了附加伤害

[swift mango]

SugarT gonna be next Moran, HelmT trust. She is just too strong for the current meta so they hasn't release her yet or SW won't sell.

[north brook]

Sugar got shafted

But tbh what would they do with yan

[onyx scaffold]

laplace cn: base version has same burst gen as treasure version
cn text: 无需珍藏品

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/l-putting-sugar-sugar-cup-tea-gif-16229647993365934322

[spiral onyx]

So what was supposed to make Yan meta is if her pull affected Nikkes

Imagine if Yan's burst pulled all 5 units into P1

[north brook]

Guess reading them the kits arent that awful

Just dogshit numbers

[north brook]

Lol

Tbh thatd be more coding than its worth

[onyx scaffold]

i have all the meta units
except Rapunzel who is BIG in cn cuz scarlet cannot nuke her without 2 buffers

[spiral onyx]

Literally Yan -> Noah -> SW meta

[onyx scaffold]

cn ppl simply run

sanis stall. literally noise noah rapunzel biscuit shit
scarlet/sbs nuke
3rd team is cp team

there is Anne but for some reason people dont run scarlet anne

[spiral onyx]

This is usually the MMO group PvP strat I usually have my groups run anyways. AoE pull -> AoE stun -> AoE nuke

Coordinated tank -> warrior -> mage combo

[covert lintel]

Compared to trina, anne is 👎

[onyx scaffold]

blanc > trina

[spiral onyx]

We need more Noah/Blanc types

[swift mango]

If not scar Anne then what? Scar Blanc?

Yeah, there's Blanc there

[north brook]

Ya its kinda crazy the difference of noah blanc to anything else

Guess they just dont want to change the existing meta(?)

[shell hazel]

I added you, I'm Tav in arknights

[mystic rain]

@swift mango fell asleep[ last night but yea i got separated again from u guys

[shell hazel]

eye icon

[mystic rain]

bunch of new names in my current bracket rn

[swift mango]

I don't think there is enough burst gen for 2*2rl team in this box. Unless feeds. So it's early 2024 meta all over again.

[mystic rain]

i think this guy is the only champs winner rn in my bracket

[swift mango]

I see 2 non global units. But not built so I guess they're not meta in Arena.

[swift mango]

Yeah, he's gonna farm 6 champs in this reshuffle now that all the guys who could beat him before are gone.

Maybe time for you to shine and beat him

[mystic rain]

lemme sr15 emma and eunhwa for that

XDD

[swift mango]

They doesn't really need that SR15

SR15 your moran

[mystic rain]

my moran already p3 brodie

moran tsuyoi

[swift mango]

Then Noise Noah Jackal

Bay Biscuit

[mystic rain]

im thinking priv next for pvp

[swift mango]

HelmT LapT

[mystic rain]

bay im not sure

[swift mango]

Privaty is fine too

[swift mango]

Noise Vesti Maiden Bay Jackal is common meta right now

[mystic rain]

only pvp treasure im missing is bay i think

viper too ig

oh but i am building ada rn for pvp and for my campaign push

cuz still no cindy after 1 year

[swift mango]

Oh you are fighting Toom next huh? Another whale of the smol vracket

[shell hazel]

I still don't even have base viper

[swift mango]

Better than my Viper 0lb but max doll

[mystic rain]

yes yse last time i fought him in champs was back when champs first came out and i beat him

after that rng never pitted us together until now

i should build sugar too for SG and dump drake

[severe lodge]

For SP arena defense, what would be some good cores to focus on?

[swift mango]

T1: If Blanc died before she burst you won, otherwise you still have a chance but lower.

T2: if SW Indom you win.

T3: if Libby not died before she or Noah burst you win.

T4: if soda stun Scarlet or Trina and Rapu doesn't stun you win. But high chance you lose.

T5: they should win

I think you have higher chance here

[mystic rain]

yea i think i lose t5 and t2 guaranteed

t2 cuz i forgot to put cube on xmaiden and so she gets indom instead of snow

the rest depends on speed and stun and some random bs so its whatever

[swift mango]

You could still win even if she got Indom. Though unlikely she would

[restive heart]

asking. is left side attacker and right side defender am i correct?

[swift mango]

Oh wait if SW burst and you got Xmaiden Indom you would lose

[mystic rain]

aint no way xmaiden can 1v5 vs moran noah

[slim hedge]

After almost 2 weeks I think he might have finally learned how to win against my defense, since yesterday it takes him less than 5 attempts to break through compared to the usual 15 attempts

[slim hedge]

I changed 1 unit in a team and that already threw him off again I guess

[hollow lagoon]

T1 kill with buffed scarlet nuke, t2 kill with a indom or Moran Noah stall with helm, t3 kill with liberalio on 2rl with Noah or indom liberalio

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193027408304025683/1296246248914817124/axszQ19s-6ifkZxT1kS5k-5k.gif

[onyx scaffold]

i would say that my theats are

• scarlet blanc nuke
• noah+biscuit + sanis / sbs / rh / alice (if they use rh as buffer)

[restive heart]

@swift mango @tropic summit @umbral crown what do you think of my current def?

[lunar pawn]

Pretty standard

[cedar sorrel]

@tropic summit what is the application u use to show how fast a team is (2.5rl etc)?

[restive heart]

@cedar sorrel u can use this

rail used google sheets pn burst gen

[cedar sorrel]

Ahh okay is it the same?

[restive heart]

nikke-deck.web.app

[restive heart]

yea.

[cedar sorrel]

And I am assuming the %s mean like
101% of 2rl speed so 1% slower than true 2rl

[restive heart]

rails google sheet shows more numbers than nikke-deck but theyre basically same

[restive heart]

no. 100% on 2rl is basically 2rl. no matter what

even its 110 120%

[cedar sorrel]

And what is the leading number? The squared one?

[restive heart]

yes

[cedar sorrel]

How does ur RL speed go down when u add more nikke?

Like shouldnt the number go up as u add more nikke regardless?

[restive heart]

2rl is the fastest burst gen. you can attain.

numbers goes up but it depends on units burst gen you built

burst gen is calculated by your 5 units total

[cedar sorrel]

Okay so whatever is shown with 4 units u can disregard

[swift mango]

Can Yan burst skill in CN be used to counter Biscuit? Or Blanc? When attacking ofc. Because I'm not remember it clearly.

Like p1-2 2rl Scarlet got Blanc, then 2.5rl Yan burst and dispel it?

That would require you to build team differently in CN. That burst gen chart difference you sent is also a bit confusing to me. Hmmm

[restive heart]

just follow where the box is. and thats your total burst gen

3RL is the optimal burst gen that must have
2RL being the faster and 4RL being the slowest

[cedar sorrel]

Okay my teams have 2 at 3rl and 1 at 2.5 whilst having cp be even between em all. Probably best I can do for def I think

[restive heart]

yea thats good

but also note. just because its 2rl doesnt mean its the best. you need to optimize and synergize your units and at the same time getting the optimam burst gen

[cedar sorrel]

Yea Im guessing I did the best I could with my units. Still working on getting the utilities OLd but theyre at least at a cp level where it is worth running them

[tropic summit]

looks ok but keep in mind privT is kinda copium

might wanna consider 2 stall teams and 1 early aggresion/rosanna team, i think you ran similar archetypes several times now, might become weaker the more the opponent gets used to it

to give you an idea

3rd team at that point is open to anything, be it indom/early aggression/sacc or absolute etc

if you running bay don't bother running her without biscuit, else she's way too easy to deal with

[restive heart]

ooh okay thanks

[restive heart]

yea. but iyk king is the only enemy i have rn and he has a brain iq of 0. so minor changes still takes him couple tries (10-20 attempts) before breaking it

[tropic summit]

that's kinda sad, but if it works all good

god knows what kind of cursed attack teams he's using

he could just re-use your defense teams as they were strong general purpose teams

[restive heart]

he did copy my def but ill just 3/3 him

[fathom sparrow]

Anyone interested in helping me improve my teams? I went from solidly holding Champion 5-10 to being stuck Diamond II constantly

[tropic summit]

post your box and your current 3 defs

or blablalink set to public is also fine

[onyx scaffold]

Forget Yan plz

[tropic summit]

ah i see the problem

[fathom sparrow]

to be fair I don't really underatand the mechanics of pvp

as I'm sure you can see

[tropic summit]

2 teams are on the weaker side, the good one is likely getting skipped

can make new ones for sure, you've some good units to use

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina rh helmt laplaceT
• moran siren swha lib noah
• jackal s.anis blanc centi xmaiden

Notes

• build/wishlist vestiTU, T3 will have more threat then, rather than s.anis

[fathom sparrow]

I really appreciate the help!

[restive heart]

@tropic summit moran chargespeed build

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/quick-fast-2

[swift mango]

I got good pull on standard today but no ssr when pulling on Special.

maybe I won't be getting anything this collab

Nearly 50 pulls so good enough.

[onyx scaffold]

[lethal karma]

Necroing old msg, help (tmoran phase 1 & full treasure drake since i last asked defense

[hollow hazel]

hey guys help I need a new defense team, been getting bullied in sp arena, thanks

[umbral crown]

revenge 2.0 the boi who stole my champ in S4

[swift mango]

I beat Riful

But now I meet coldstar. @median flare I remember him to be your bracket rival.

[median flare]

win him please, even he's not in my bracket

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

go

[swift mango]

with my teams I probably need luck.

[median flare]

blessed you

[noble hatch]

BIG F to the 75%!!!

[noble hatch]

Senpai, u fighting coldstar and im fighting Wong next. RIP us.

[swift mango]

don't you RIP me preemptively. I didn't even check the match up.

[noble hatch]

I am pleasantly surprised that near 50% of us from the newer batch are winning against the older birds

Lots of familiar faces going into Top 32 cut.

[swift mango]

#3 bracket is pretty pve focus.

So long as you aren't unluckily getting screwed over by normal attack you have a chance

[noble hatch]

So they’re #3 batch and we are the #4 batch?

[swift mango]

yeah

There is one or two makima owner amongst them

[noble hatch]

Then batch #4 should have 4A and 4B, 4A being having Emilia and 4B doesn’t.

I’m the #4B

[tropic summit]

post your blablalink set to public or your unfiltered box

[hollow hazel]

help T_T

[median flare]

@swift mango look tough but winnable, how about you will win 1 2 4

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta naga vestiTU helmT RH
• jackal swha blanc mmast rrh
• crown alice rrh biscuit lib

Notes

• you're starving of batteries, when you've the chance build up rumani and centi
• wishlist build noah, trina, noise
• after treasuring moran, can go for laplace

[hollow hazel]

thanks! @tropic summit

[hollow lagoon]

Time to get stuck perma 64

[hollow hazel]

@tropic summit hey I think you're replying to the wrong person? I don't have RH 🤣 or just input error

[hollow lagoon]

Just get RH

Looks like ur gonna run the rosana sac version instead of RH then

[hollow hazel]

and there's 2 rrh there T_T

[hollow lagoon]

Rail has 2 rrh us mortal plebs don’t have the luxury

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi swha rh sbs
• moran anchorIM vestiTU trina ada
• jackal crown cindy biscuit lib

Notes

• treasure helmT, what you waiting for
• utilities are lower invest, increase CP on centi, rumani, trina, biscuit, noise, blanc, jackal
• consider lappy treasure after helmT and moran

[tropic summit]

RH is flex B1 buffer, if you're RHless liter/label can also fit

sorry i assumed that was basic knowledge, put any of the 2 above instead

siren is also fine in case

[hollow lagoon]

Rail how does one unlock 2 rrh

[tropic summit]

put her twice in wishlist

[hollow hazel]

T_T

[hollow lagoon]

Shiet

I can’t

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/magnus-carlsen-slam

[tropic summit]

T3 is padded team so any B1 on high CP will also do btw

doesn't strictly need to be RRH

[hollow hazel]

okay thanks!

[tropic summit]

lastly for T2, RRH is a flex spot, any unit will fit, as long as they're higher HP than SWHA

RRH just happened to be your most invested unit so she probably fits

[swift mango]

Idk, looks like I have less chance to win here.
Would be hilarious if he indom on Rumani.

[hollow hazel]

Ahh I see yeah only rrh fits for now

[tropic summit]

ok so confirm RRH for T2, T3 can be any B1 on high invest, for T1 any B1 that gives atk% buff (liter/siren/label etc)

[hollow hazel]

oh my sw hp is still higher than rrh

[tropic summit]

give RRH vigor

then you can run that team in shooting range or campaign and check HP in battle

click on the units after pausing, you'll see HP after vigor effect is triggered

[hollow hazel]

ahh I see thanks!

[tropic summit]

if RRH has higher HP with vigor you're good to go

[hollow hazel]

by the way do I not use cindy? and libby's also for T3? not T1/T2? just curious

[tropic summit]

• cindy is too slow and you're already starved of batteries
• liberalio is ok as offburst/battery, but bad as B3 due to how slow she is in landing her nuke

[hollow hazel]

ahh I see.. thanks!

[upper harbor]

You guys think this team will beat top team? Just for rookie.

[hollow lagoon]

Can’t u just do a slightly slower indom?

[upper harbor]

When I copy the same team, my invun drops too early. So trying to nudge the timeline down a bit.

This team I have yet to try.

[hollow lagoon]

Or do like a Moran thing

[lone sequoia]

the easiest counter is indom/cindy

[glad meteor]

Scar rapu trina soline helm

[lone sequoia]

can he keep rapu in range for the stun?

[glad meteor]

Soline makes it consistent

Depends if enemy vesti plus sw is strong enough to push rapu down

Or just p1 rapu

[hollow lagoon]

could just salad it

[upper harbor]

I dont have soline yet

[glad meteor]

[lone sequoia]

he can't keep rapu in range...

[lone sequoia]

sync and dupes check

[glad meteor]

If you want. Test moran noah biscuit helmt snow and try to tank vesti

If you want something consistent. Try jackal blanc ein biscuit helmt

[glad meteor]

Need Temper cube for this though

[hollow lagoon]

that would prob work

ye

[upper harbor]

on who moran?

[glad meteor]

Whole team

[hollow lagoon]

whole team broo

[upper harbor]

[hollow lagoon]

well maybe not biscuit

[swift mango]

liter actually way less burst gen.
Nvm, in this case it's fine, but siren and label still better. Especially Label.

[upper harbor]

Who I sub ein out with. She not built fully too

[hollow hazel]

should I just replace liter with label? but mine is even weaker than liter

[swift mango]

use siren tbh

[tropic summit]

CP matters a lot, team will work the same so stick your highest CP

[hollow hazel]

when she rerun sure

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

you never look at ppl boxes

[swift mango]

so did you

[tropic summit]

i did else i wouldn't have used units he actually has

[glad meteor]

Idk. Other people generally use rapi rh

[swift mango]

RH

[tropic summit]

was just one R off || ||

[glad meteor]

But rapi is water weak to snow

[hollow hazel]

@tropic summit I tested shooting range, my mmast stole blanc buff somehow

[tropic summit]

no that's normal, what you need to look at is HP on jackal, RRH and SWHA

in an actual match, you'll get hit on link which will drop the HP on all 3 units, sharing the damage

if SWHA starts off as lowest HP between the 3, she'll be picked by blanc

assuming no damage taken in your team, mmast would be your lowest HP, that's why blanc cast it on her

[hollow hazel]

ahhh so as long as SWHA hp is lower than rapi and jackal? or just rrh

[tropic summit]

also jackal

[swift mango]

oh wait, why not just use RRH?

[tropic summit]

although jackal should be higher HP due to class (defender), assuming same OL invest

[hollow hazel]

T_T

[tropic summit]

bro again not looking at box

[swift mango]

his rrh is high cp

[hollow lagoon]

I’m think I’m dead but I’ll vote my self anyway

[tropic summit]

and he needs her for T2 already

do you see siren and label here?

if you do you need glasses, also your crow sucks

[swift mango]

top of next image

[tropic summit]

she's low invest not usable

[swift mango]

he should invest in her asap tbh. 3rl team only viable now with label

[tropic summit]

he's synchro 237, unlike you he won't brick himself for a waifu

also label is cope anyway

[swift mango]

Instant nuke option aside from collab units are all Elec. Sure there is Vesti but her nuke isn't that big.

[keen vapor]

What did I miss

[swift mango]

3rl team with label on Def is viable now

[tropic summit]

i'm booling Blood for not looking at boxes

[keen vapor]

Last time Label was Scarlet Cindy counter

[tropic summit]

his CP would tank with label anyway

[swift mango]

yeah

[tropic summit]

just stick a liter and call it a day

while he builds up his pvp core units slowly

[glad meteor]

🍿

[tropic summit]

pve g0on

[swift mango]

time for him to build moran

she is better than liter

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

oh that's an option

[swift mango]

everywhere

[tropic summit]

grandma powercrept further and further every year

but we all come back to her when we need cover repair

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/if-if-if-if-jordi-molla-xavier-heimdahl-criminal-just-ifs-gif-18339462

[swift mango]

bro gonna need 200 gold cert if he wanted moran.

[ionic rose]

@shell hazel
I believe, u can do this!

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel he's the protagonist, if he loses it just means he enters training arc and wins the one after

[restive heart]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[upper harbor]

@glad meteor @lone sequoia @hollow lagoon btw thank you for the advice. I think moran biscuit play is what I try. Ideally without swapping cubes all the time . She is treasured which hopesfully helps. Will try tomorrow.

[tidal lichen]

how

[tropic summit]

@swift mango 🍿

for the love of god even in my towers now

[upper harbor]

Everyone loves a good volleyball

[swift mango]

Well, you block out common instant wipe like Scarlet, Ein, Cindy. If you used team with Noah/Blanc, it would be hard enough to beat unless they used someone like What's her name against? The EVA collab girl?🫠

REi

[swift mango]

use moran

[keen vapor]

Just Moran them

[tropic summit]

yeah i slapped moran on them

[cedar sorrel]

So I made these defence teams with the focus on having equal CP across rhe board. Issue is theyre like 3rl and I only have 1 anis to go round.

Also I dont have rumani built so I am resorting to B1 rrh
I also have blanc and xmaid but didn't really know how to use them

Anyone think they can help?

[tropic summit]

just scrap T3, that team is dead in the waters
make 2 strong teams on 2RL/2.5RL and pad the 3rd until you've better options

[cedar sorrel]

Alright lemme see

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

Jackal team can get feed so not 2rl is fine,
Biscuit team can be slow, especially with Label.
Nayuta+RH needs to be 2rl, unless you can't support it.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pain-47

[hollow lagoon]

It’s a lovely place in the tower

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/reze-tongue-out-reze-chainsaw-man-moving-her-head-reze-head-moving-reze-chainsaw-man-gif-15937294161332759512

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ventilator-hitze

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[onyx scaffold]

am i cooked?

[tropic summit]

if i find whoever designed volleyballs i'll lock them in a room with liliweiss after calling her a gorilla

[swift mango]

With the nikke showed here.

2RL Nayuta RH.
85%+ at 2rl Jackal+Blanc team.
3-3.5rl B2 defender+Cindy+Label. Or just flex cp.

[hollow lagoon]

Soon rail will enjoy the damage reflect raptures

[cedar sorrel]

How can I make the nayuta team 2rl? I actually cant find a way

[glad meteor]

sounds fun

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/memes-bruh

[restive heart]

time to push hardmode

[swift mango]

Nayuta+SW/Helm+RH+2 clip RL

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-moist-i-know-what-kind-of-mand-you-are

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

They are lovely, ur happily dpsing then Suddenly you wipe

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have helmt so it's cooked then I guess?

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

get her asap

[cedar sorrel]

I am waiting on the dispatch bro

[tropic summit]

get her yesterday

[cedar sorrel]

I wish the game gave me a COPY of her at all so I couldve done her dispatch earlier

The first time I got her was through the bonus recruit

[tropic summit]

sounds like skill issue, dispatch harder

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/yesterday-gif-25442530

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for

[cedar sorrel]

But yea with my current set of nikke I dont think theres enough batteries for 2rl

[tropic summit]

2 stronk teams 1 padded, that will be your life for now

[keen vapor]

What have you done to the bonus recruit points???

[cedar sorrel]

?

Did you not read what I said

I never managed to pull her so the earliest I was able to attain her is FROM the bonus recruit

[swift mango]

how is your zirx experience. I haven't even tried yet.

[tropic summit]

i tried, i hit for pepega dmg and i died

[keen vapor]

and Helm is season 2

[swift mango]

time to open your boxes to 561 you said you would clear it there.

[tropic summit]

the me of yesterday had a dream, the me of today faced reality

[cedar sorrel]

These numbers below the rl mean something? Like do u want it to be closest to 100 or can u have 115 2.5rl and 108 2.5rl and its no difference

[glad meteor]

Like me then

[swift mango]

Darn I got many votes. Yesterday I got less votes and won so yeah. We know the result.

[tropic summit]

only if you've jackal they matter

[glad meteor]

Coldstar

[tropic summit]

else you need naturals

[swift mango]

Surely it was coldstare lacking an E

[tropic summit]

they betting on loser frame

[mystic rain]

@swift mango round 1 rosanna gunned me down with indom

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/my-deer-friend-nokotan-bully-maguire-shikanoko-nokonoko-koshitantan-koshi-torako-dancing-anime-gif-4378798548255751994

[cedar sorrel]

Could you elaborate a bit? Its cuz jackal can get burst gen from your opp? I dont understand it completely

[mystic rain]

round 4 my scar team was just slow so wcyd

[tropic summit]

say you've 91% to 2RL
say your team is jackal scarlet blanc centi laplaceT

even if on 91%, you'll get feed from jackal and potentially from scarlet s2
most enemy teams produce at least 3% via minimun feed

against a single AR, your team would become 2RL

[cedar sorrel]

And what do the % signify? Is below 100 bad or good? Foes 91% 2rl mean it is 9% away from being actual 2rl?

[tropic summit]

ye it means you lack 9% to be natural 2RL

meaning you'll be 2.5RL or in between at best

[cedar sorrel]

So then when it is above it is actually slightly faster?

[tropic summit]

no it's overcommitted

try to be close to 100% as much as possible, a bit higher is fine but for example 105-110% means you wasting burst

in some very situational cases having 150% to 2RL can help you hit 1.5RL via feed

[swift mango]

My slow Cindy keeps winning.
2rl Noah can't beat it

[cedar sorrel]

Ahh okay thats good to know. So I guess if you are lets say 115% 2.5rl then ur not doing good enough for 2rl so ur still at 2.5 but youre not any faster than someone else on 2.5?

[tropic summit]

ye wouldn't help unless indom mirror

[cedar sorrel]

Aha okay thanks that is useful info 💪

[swift mango]

My 2rl Nayuta has better win rate than last time. Though when I put RH p3 I won't meet 4-5 SG shitting my rear anymore. What a scam.

[tropic summit]

you could win that fight blindfold, literally countered their team

[swift mango]

If only their Libby was tankier.

[median flare]

let me copy both of your teams next ss

[tropic summit]

yeah lib tankier would've mattered eh? their HP after nayuta hitting ele weak

oh? they must've pretty wild CS%

[swift mango]

It's only Bay Ele weak though

[swift mango]

Nah my Helm hadn't click yet

In this screenshot

Guess my HelmT nuke blocked by Bay

[tropic summit]

it was your helm's ye

that's HP of the enemy after your B2

almost lethal on link alone

[swift mango]

And that has nothing to do with Ele weak.

Bay skill didn't even applied

[tropic summit]

what's jackal element and what's nayuta element

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

LapT did her work though. Without her there may not be enough dmg.

[tropic summit]

where's your emilia at

[swift mango]

In Vesti team

[tropic summit]

absolute?

[swift mango]

Nah just common vesti

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Bro is kinda level bricked for his research level.

I guess he is on a good bracket

[tropic summit]

or maybe gems to heavens

[swift mango]

Or a whale who buy research

But not level

Me in comparison. I could also be 561.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Essence of this game

[swift mango]

I didn't think I would win this one but I did.

Noise beat Midhara

[tropic summit]

direct counter again... you really won lotto this one

i feel bad for your opponent, lost at team ordering

[swift mango]

Well, he could win if I didn't change into Noise last minute

[tropic summit]

noise is direct counter to midhara... let alone lib is direct counter to cindy + biscuit... to top it off you even have blanc giving you DoT heals

[tropic summit]

without noise you'd have a chance to die to DoT i guess

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel dafuq there's 2 of them now

[swift mango]

Here are my losses. He might win with Scarlet even if Rapu didn't stun. My team isn't even 2rl. That's why I said my team this time are shit.

[cedar sorrel]

I was able to make these 2 teams here. CP is good and I'm staying below 105% bench.

My 3rd team is literally like 38% 4rl or something sad like that but u guys said thats what I should do so

[tropic summit]

vestiTU lacks blanc tho

where's blanc in there

[cedar sorrel]

Why does she need blanc? Isnt jackal already protecting her?

[tropic summit]

one you lost to counter, the other you lost to RNG

[swift mango]

Oh wait his scarlet is also not 2rl

[tropic summit]

you need to indom, else it's just a glass cannon, easy to deal with

[swift mango]

Both are counter tbh

[tropic summit]

nah one is dependant on whether you've lethal for p1

you didn't have lethal, RNG

scarlet just downright got countered

[cedar sorrel]

Even if that makes it go to 3rl?

[tropic summit]

don't make it 3RL, make it 2RL with vestiTU CS% and jackal feed

97% to 2RL is enough to guarantee, 94% can be fine

[noble hatch]

HolyS?! What's going on? I am not used to having majority people cheering on me xDD

[swift mango]

Which one, Rosa? I killed both their units there

Even if my Rosa got dispel. That was RNG blessed

[tropic summit]

it's just a bit after matches were finished, you need to check in 12-16hrs

[noble hatch]

Yup, but this is also a first if not rare

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-jim-the-office-okay-mmm-gif-17183499

[tropic summit]

there's nothing rare, ppl aren't even on to vote

[swift mango]

I mean how am I gonna lethal if my Rosa can't even hit.

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have CS on tvesti. Also I cant really get it to 2rl unless I drop shwa from my other team but then lib will be the main b3 which sounds bad

[swift mango]

Get used to it. It's a sign that we would lose the next fight.

[tropic summit]

use clip SG burst gen tier, you'll easily fix it

for vesti you only need 5%CS

get 1 line and call it a day

4.63% or 4.92% are both enough

if you get 3% just throw adjutant on her

[noble hatch]

Better jinx ourselves first haha

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have drakeT btw

[tropic summit]

"SG burst gen tier" bro, there's a ton of units like drake

[cedar sorrel]

I didnt really know what it meant I'm not proficient at pvp or the terms

[tropic summit]

that's fine now you do

keep in mind indom conditions still need to be respected:

• your indom unit lowest HP in the link
• p1 is jackal to avoid siren stuns

check links via shooting range

[noble hatch]

Liberalio my goat!

[cedar sorrel]

This is why I haven't used blanc yet cuz Im not sure how I'm gonna get my highest CP unit to have the least hp

[tropic summit]

only need jackal linked and indom unit to have the HP condition

blanc can be any hp

e.g.

jackal vestiTU blanc centi liberalio

condition: jackal and liberalio more HP than vestiTU

[noble hatch]

Try and test it in Rookie Arena and Special Arena

[umbral crown]

its time to do the thing

[swift mango]

Sorry I missed this comment. But send me the video if possible. it sound hilarious.

[tropic summit]

keeping the bench warm

[cedar sorrel]

Thanks I get it now I still don't know how u can achieve this though. My tvesti has the most HP easily of all my units the only one that comes close is crown but crown won't be linked with jackal. I'm not sure how you're supposed to have a high atk unit for jackal link + more hp than tvesti when she's my highest cp unit

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/summoning-gif-16806659066271167689

[noble hatch]

Fresh from the Oven ♥ Enjoy it with a cup of coffee ♥

https://youtu.be/mnR8ZIOWfEk

@cedar sorrel
YouTube
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[Nikke] Champion Arena SEA S23 - Top 64 (PvP Replays)
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[tropic summit]

then you can't use vestiTU indommed

you need jackal and the other linked unit on higher HP than her

[cedar sorrel]

So how is this done in actual play?

[umbral crown]

revenge from S4, you remember right

[tropic summit]

typically treasured units have higher HP than her, e.g. laplaceT or helmT... or you mess with vigor cube like i told you earlier

say vestiTU has 350k HP and your other linked unit has 330k HP, throw vigor on her and you'd achieve higher HP

[cedar sorrel]

How much hp does vigor give % wise? I would be able to level it once with my 15 batteries

[swift mango]

near 10%

[cedar sorrel]

Oh damn thats really big

[tropic summit]

make the team, give vigor to your linked unit, start shooting range, pause, click on the units and check HP

that way you know without having to calculate yourself with estimates

do it properly and you'll achieve this result with vestiTU instead

[cedar sorrel]

That seems nasty yeah

[tropic summit]

the better the DPS carry, the stronger your indom
although it can be countered by higher fire rate DPS, so it's not a guaranteed win, but a strong standalone team regardless

[unborn shuttle]

?

[cedar sorrel]

From what I can tell tho my high atk units EVEN with a 10% vigor buff wont be outHPing my tvesti. The only one who could are (r)rh. The rest are all 105k~ whilst tvesti is on 123k

And rrh isnt good in pvp from what I understand and rh is needed in my nayuta team

It may be chopped

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt rh laplaceT
• jackal vestiTU blanc centi lib
• rumani siren cindy swha noah

Notes

• treasure moran
• build up utilities, especially noise

[tropic summit]

RRH is situationally good

you can make SWHA indom and rotate vestiTU instead of SWHA

[cedar sorrel]

Hmmm thats clever

[tropic summit]

with SWHA you can fit any flex in p5

as you're nearly natural 2RL with her alone

archetype:

you can additionally flex centi for a SG burst gen tier instead if you need to save a clip RL burst gen tier

[unborn shuttle]

i thought scarlet was a good one with trina?

[tropic summit]

scarlet is out of meta on def

[unborn shuttle]

ohhh, i c

i STILL dont have noise

[cedar sorrel]

Very helpful thanks

[austere marsh]

WHAT

[swift mango]

maybe enemy doesn't have label.

[tropic summit]

even without label...

• weak to indom
• weak to rosanna
• weak to bay
• weak to noah
• weak to slow cindy variant with nayuta
• can die to 2RL buffed nayuta

[austere marsh]

I won my first ever top 64

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/celebration-tuvigif

[unborn shuttle]

what are the "utilities" ur saying for me to build? except noise ofc

[cedar sorrel]

Proud of you

[tropic summit]

trina rumani biscuit noah jackal blanc centi noise moran

[unborn shuttle]

got it, and whats the needed minimum build for them?

[swift mango]

so long as there's no label to give free win.

[tropic summit]

4/4/4 4OL, R15-SR5 is a good starting point

[unborn shuttle]

alr, thanks!

[noble hatch]

Nice, final score rank 58!

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

what was this anime name?

[tropic summit]

https://myanimelist.net/anime/28825/Himouto_Umaru-chan

[swift mango]

thanks

[tropic summit]

give me your emilia as thanks

[swift mango]

giving 1 core from her +1

[noble hatch]

I want an Emilia too!

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

my Privaty got 2 ele effortlessly but those are 1 line only rolls.

[midnight coyote]

Greetings and salutations i have finally implemented this, it works quite well

if i can beat my nemesis, i'd be happy

[tropic summit]

zant cooking normal looking teams wtf

the world is healing

[swift mango]

ask his arrest and beat him physically

[midnight coyote]

i am not beneath that

[cedar sorrel]

Shwa is a BIG reason this team has 2.5rl so I guess just run it at 3rl? 😭

[hollow lagoon]

It’s got your stamp of approval

[swift mango]

go beyond

[tropic summit]

feels like that team CP is gonna tank with both centi and anis in it

[midnight coyote]

[tropic summit]

just get vestiTU 5%CS already

[midnight coyote]

my people are unfortunately not invested tho

[cedar sorrel]

Bro I'm rockless

[midnight coyote]

so there's that i literally just put some into vesti's skills

[tropic summit]

nayuta on 3RL is meaningless so don't even run it at that point until you got it to at least 2.5RL

[cedar sorrel]

Its actually still 200k which is sorta fine but idt I need them anyway cuz Im not hitting 2.5rl FOR SHIT

[tropic summit]

commit to 2 teams and pad 1, both teams aim for 2RL or 2.5RL

[cedar sorrel]

Then I can't run blanc indom

[tropic summit]

your indom team with SWHA is fine, work on the other one

use clip SG burst gen tier units as much as you need to while keeping CP high

[swift mango]

oh wait do privaty even needs ele?

[cedar sorrel]

I give up I'm just running 2.5rl nayu rh 2rl glass cannon dookie and 7rl boss squad

This pvp stuff is hard without helmt

[tropic summit]

people used to cook without helmT in 2025...

[cedar sorrel]

She would instantly allow me to have 2 good teams for me tho

Helmt do u need her phase 3 (160 mats) or does she give the crazy burst gen just by being treasured?

[tropic summit]

s1 lvl 10, phase 2

phase 3 is if you use her as main B3 or for lifesteal

[mystic rain]

[cedar sorrel]

Hmm I see that's good to know thanks!
I was considering just treasuring her "early" but shes bond 17 no OL and I don't even know if I have enough doll exp either so gotta be patient I think still

[tropic summit]

easy rosanna indom wipe

[mystic rain]

rosa indom XDDDD

[cedar sorrel]

Does rosa need a lot of investment to be used?

[tropic summit]

@swift mango imagine absolute team losing to SG rosanna indom

[mystic rain]

literally against any other matchup that blanc rosa would NEVER win

lmfao

[tropic summit]

just goes to show how absolute really is sh*t if poorly invested, like keripo says

[mystic rain]

yea

[tropic summit]

7/10/10 SR15, 40%atk 40-60ele%

[mystic rain]

i need to sr15 abso trio just for this shit to have a decent chance to win

[edgy glacier]

Is centi bricked with 1st favorite item unlocked for pvp?

[cedar sorrel]

Dayum son that's a lot

[tropic summit]

rosanna is not budget friendly, think carefully if you wanna build her

[noble hatch]

Yes, sky said dont upgrade her second phase, it give enemy more burst gen

[edgy glacier]

2nd phase? Like the 2nd one or even the 1st one where you get the favorite item bricks her?

[mystic rain]

phase 2 where u feed her 50 mats to upgrade s1

[noble hatch]

i remember he said phase 2, in centi case she is unique, normally first phase is skill1 and second phase is skill 2, but centi is opposite.

[cedar sorrel]

Yes thanks for explaining 💪

[edgy glacier]

Ah ok cool, so I didn't mess up then? I just unlocked her favorite item but didn't give extra mats yet

[mystic rain]

good

dont touch her for now

[edgy glacier]

I appreciate the help

[noble hatch]

Yup

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon you're in my tower

[swift mango]

How are you doing with her this season.

[hollow lagoon]

just keel it ezy

[tropic summit]

[noble hatch]

How much gallon did u guys lost to her?

[hollow lagoon]

ezy clap with swha and nayuta

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

43-44 pulls I think. Very good result.

[tropic summit]

if those don't work i'll be visiting you next

[hollow lagoon]

lul

[noble hatch]

i got her on my 80 pulls.

https://youtu.be/QNWP748zAZ0

[austere marsh]

I got a lil rookie question if you guys do rookie

[noble hatch]

let the rookie out

[cedar sorrel]

20 pulls

[austere marsh]

What breaks this? The new TMoran keeps surviving now

[tropic summit]

vestiTU + blanc

jackal blanc vestiTU biscuit SWHA/helmT

[thin abyss]

Slow Cinderella comp

[tropic summit]

slow cindy is absorbed by bayT if you don't break their cover iirc

it's bay + biscuit

= no overflow damage

[swift mango]

🐳 power

[tropic summit]

do your tower @swift mango

@hollow lagoon this?

[hollow lagoon]

no crown to bait master rank raptures? u brave

[austere marsh]

Did a Vesti + Blanc but the Moran still survived

[tropic summit]

oh right what a pain

then again maybe moran on lifesteal can tank it

[hollow lagoon]

never tried u can try it

if u do run moran tho crown bait gonna be difficult

[tropic summit]

wow gonna need ada for this

[hollow lagoon]

dont think u need helmT

swha is enuff gen

also donno if u want cindy

[glad meteor]

I think need bastion cube

[tropic summit]

yeah p5 seems flexible with mmast or crown

[glad meteor]

Or more ammo

[cedar sorrel]

How much mats on AVG to go R0 to SR15?

[glad meteor]

He’s reloading when invul wears off

[tropic summit]

oh good point, low ammo vesti

[austere marsh]

I'll work on her stats

[swift mango]

nah, you need rh. Ada worse in this case

[tropic summit]

so he's just low on ammo?

[swift mango]

nearly half of Vesti dmg come from normal dmg, not true.

RH also help with pre fb dmg

[thin abyss]

Can you try this one and record it? I won against a similar comp with Noah instead of Bay

But as someone mentioned above, I want to see how the interaction against Bay plays out

[tropic summit]

if lappy breaks their cover might've a chance

although a good chunk of dmg will be denied by bay

the problem is having enough lethal to finish off moran afterward

[austere marsh]

I can do that when the solo raid hits, my Nayuta atm does not have a doll

[tropic summit]

might end up in a moran vs moran duel

@hollow lagoon not enough dmg

gonna have to run eletric sh*t

[restive heart]

@tropic summit he did copy my current def team LOL

[tropic summit]

told ya

that's the ABC of ppl who don't know what they doing, just copy what works

[hollow lagoon]

i'm more curious if moran lived the thing

[tropic summit]

she does

[hollow lagoon]

holy shiet

[tropic summit]

(on lifesteal tho)

[hollow lagoon]

still

mw bar dropp even further

[hollow lagoon]

no

u wanna break ports so u need units tha destroy parts fast-rapirh/redhood

[restive heart]

can you give me suggestion regarding team 3?

[glad meteor]

isnt it s2

[restive heart]

i wanna do blanc rosie combination

[tropic summit]

nayuta trina ros jackal helmt
nayuta trina helmt rh laplaceT

[restive heart]

[tropic summit]

ros jackal blanc helmt laplacet (ros assumed linked)

in that case try to get a B3 indom that has DPS tho

blanc and rosa in same team is kinda heavy

you'd need a SWHA

then flex SWHA with someone else in the other team

[restive heart]

[restive heart]

what cubes should i use on this team?

[tropic summit]

e.g.

[restive heart]

also yes rosie linked

[tropic summit]

ros tempering
jackal quantum
blanc vigor/tempering
SWHA tempering
xmaiden quantum

if laplaceT quantum

[restive heart]

aight we ball your team

[tropic summit]

dude gonna need to learn he can taunt rosanna next

you giving him a full course on pvp

[restive heart]

i think its bad

rosie and laplace are linked

it should be rosie swha right?

[tropic summit]

clip SG burst gen instead of lappy

[tropic summit]

ye SWHA lowest HP in link

any of these are fine as flex

liberalio/drakeT on top of my mind

[restive heart]

shiii swha wont link

[swift mango]

Sorry, he has RH already so he need ada as well. My bad.

feel stupid now

[restive heart]

this is so cooked

looks like xMaiden it is

[swift mango]

but yeah he is low on Ammo as well.

[restive heart]

looks like we will be using xMaiden here

swha wont link on the list

did use lower clip sg and still wont link LOL

[restive heart]

would this be a problem bay without biscuit?

[tropic summit]

it's weaker and more abusable, but sticking biscuit in there then means you lack dps

if you've 11CS% team wide you can stick bay in p1

bay biscuit helmt emilia noise

or you could just risk it anyway, he needs to know siren even works in the first place

@hollow lagoon you won't believe it... i survived even the 25second wipe at the end with moran

HP at the end

[hollow lagoon]

why wouldent i believe it kekw

[tropic summit]

what did they release really, the anti deficit queen

[hollow lagoon]

i was like, these low core mfker gonna have fun taking on ziz and black snake, then morant drops i'm like oh welp that's that then

[restive heart]

@tropic summit his rosie deals.... idk they just slapped my libby and helm

its smol

[tropic summit]

you're on deficit advantage

[tropic summit]

you gapped him...

it's funny cuz his wallet is so large but his units so sm0l

[wind kelp]

Short live League, as i thought, got absolutely cooked with pairing/matching in 64 :p

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit ill defeat u one day

[restive heart]

imma do this team for now

then ill change when he defeats me

[tropic summit]

looks fine

makes you wonder if he learned how to deal with T3 hopefully after 20 + attempts

[restive heart]

@tropic summit gems spent this season right now

exactly 10k gems LOL

idk why blablalink doesnt show up some unions

i did search his union and even its ID search and cannot be found

[tropic summit]

i really doubt you'd find him, his lack of research implies he's likely not checking forums/social media

even a monkey would stop a moment and think to inform themselves when clearly lacking info on how to play...

[restive heart]

does union search applicable when the leader did union recruitment?