pvp-arena

[charred condor]

Yes my ego wins

[shell hazel]

then it's as predicted

[tropic summit]

only SU wins

[charred condor]

For sure lol

[hidden geode]

https://tenor.com/view/muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-muppet-muppets-kermit-gif-13282760728630259313

[tropic summit]

more muney

[shell hazel]

I'd rather spend gems on I dunno, pulls, wiping out, anything lol

[charred condor]

I spend on that too

[hidden geode]

That's crazy, this is some fascinating deep diving rn

[shell hazel]

I'd feel like I'm winning if I make someone whale on taking me out in rookie

even if I lose rank

[charred condor]

Then it’s a win win

I don’t mind either way

[shell hazel]

< insert doro handshaking image >

[fathom rock]

I live in a lose lose

[hidden geode]

This is some wild behavior to be posting on main ngl

[charred condor]

But don’t act all shocked when you used 5x extra to hit me before I dumped 20 on you lol

So idk

[hidden geode]

I didn't, those were my free hits 💀

I literally never spend on Rookie because I don't care lol

[charred condor]

Oh really mb then

[hidden geode]

You've gotta chill dude

Was Runtrain the dude that was giving you trouble before me?

[charred condor]

What do you mean

Yep and I crushed him

[coarse lake]

[hidden geode]

He's still topping above both of us in Rookie, idk why you care more about me than him 👀

[charred condor]

That dude smoked me for months lol

Idk it’s not that serious to me but you feel a type
of way I guess

I’m just a spender dude

[hidden geode]

I do??

[charred condor]

Well you posted here crying

[hidden geode]

Laughing more like, but alright man.

[placid bloom]

drama

[shell hazel]

continue

[cunning crown]

I'm scared

[glad meteor]

gons

[hidden geode]

👀

[tropic summit]

actually more peaceful than i expected so far

[charred condor]

But you also claimed f2p but spent like 5k or smtn gems last week going 3rd to 4th place lol

[shell hazel]

biscuit attac
biscuit protec

[hidden geode]

I'm just chilling, idk

[hidden geode]

Yeah 🤷

[charred condor]

So that ain’t very chill my dude

[covert lintel]

[hidden geode]

Holding my SP position 🤷 I don't focus you like you do to me in Rookie lol. I just hold against whoever hits me.

[charred condor]

Just don’t spend and let nature take it’s course

[hidden geode]

Pour one out for your bank account 🫡

[charred condor]

It’s fine

[covert lintel]

why you guys care rookie so much

[tropic summit]

start's with e ends with peen

[hidden geode]

I was just having a laugh, I wasn't expecting PvP in the chatroom lol

[charred condor]

Big number good me like

[coarse lake]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-knife

[glad meteor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1285446023065505900/1376681958431658124/IMG_6498.gif

[coarse lake]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fight-nikke-goddess-of-victory

[charred condor]

Are you ready to spend 5k gems again tonight to block me in sp? Date?

[hidden geode]

I'm just popping popcorn now too lol

[charred condor]

Last time was like 2 hours, way too long

[shell hazel]

how much even is 5k gems $usd?

[covert lintel]

i rarely have above 5k gems

[charred condor]

I dunno but this guy would hit me back before battle animation even finished for like over 2 hours

[shell hazel]

I've never bought a gem pack

[charred condor]

Smh

[tropic summit]

imagine having 5k gems to throw at silly pvp mode on an indie game about butts and t3ttens

[hidden geode]

Brother, this was you

[glad meteor]

[charred condor]

And you

[hidden geode]

Yeah! But you've been hitting me nonstop all over the place 💀

[charred condor]

Mmhmm

[shell hazel]

I wasted a few gems on booba whale for science but it was barely any in the end

[hidden geode]

I've got get back to other things, but this has been enlightening lol

[covert lintel]

don't roast them, even rosy do that

[tropic summit]

oh god you're right

more SU victims

[charred condor]

At least I embrace the try hard but you trying to play the chill card haha

Aight gg. Remember tonight

[shell hazel]

I'm glad we settled this dispute

I await details of the date

[glad meteor]

We are all slaves to su empire. Bow down to the ark

They still haven’t made any changes to ca since release even though there was not much nice stuff people had to say

[tropic summit]

gotta make more lewd skins, aint noone got time for silly QoL that everyone would like

[wild drum]

ok i will level up biscuit and jackal thanks!

[glad meteor]

Boo rapi

[tropic summit]

share your favourite

[covert lintel]

they're focused on making 3D false advertisement

[glad meteor]

||Isabel||

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-toy-story-1-1995-pixar-gif-534050289097057052

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-moist-i-know-what-kind-of-mand-you-are

[glad meteor]

[placid bloom]

surface getting more change than CA

that is their priority

[tropic summit]

jesus christ my worst fear

piss poor budget mode getting more attention than an actual new enjoyable mode would

oh well at least EoS speedrun any% gets more real everyday

[placid bloom]

nah CA is the budget mode

there is nothing they worked on except the camera

[tropic summit]

oh definitely, both are very budget

[tropic summit]

which is even annoying and uneeded

[placid bloom]

at least surface they had to think of skills to make bad Nikke usable

[glad meteor]

Barely a mode. A bad slot machine

[placid bloom]

they don't even have to think for CA

[tropic summit]

skills? i just ran w/e

[terse abyss]

damn i missed it

its pvp, not pve, hit someone, expect to get hit back

im actually surprised in rookie most people dont hit the top rankers, but then again majority have pve teams in there 🤷

[umbral belfry]

if you lose you know what happens to you

[hidden mortar]

Why dont they attack each other leave me tf alone

[gaunt pulsar]

sometimes I wonder if CN has their own popular chats like this one where they share/ask how to beat/etc

[shell hazel]

cp gap so maybe can't. I just hit people once each if I can lol

no one beaten me in rookie for a while

[shell hazel]

oh yeah I'm sure they do, some cn cooks appear from time to time

[gaunt pulsar]

might be not worth it for them too, i know for sure there like a few dudes that could beat my defence but even if i set up R unit they not gonna some have different priorities and just let you attack them even though i never mind them fight back, doesn't matter anyway, just need to spend daily tries somewhere

[gaunt pulsar]

my top 10 is like 6cn 2kr 2en(including me) players and lower is mostly cn/kr

[glad meteor]

@tropic summit

We have a live one

🐳

Only 3 people beat me in rookie

[shell hazel]

well come beat me then 😄

[shell hazel]

I lose on purpose to my bro topyro so I can then beat him

[glad meteor]

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, that's a strat too sometimes, 1 loss 1 win

[shell hazel]

he didn't attack me in SPA for ages even though he could have done

so I don't mind helping them with 1 loss/1 win

[pure pollen]

so, I was curious about switching teams given Label release. But I was already racking my brain trying to figure out what I was switching to before that given Snow White who I've still yet to plug in lol. I have everyone, but due to being behind many of my opps in sync level I do have to concern myself with keeping a higher number as well as speed 🙁 AND I'm behind on cubes compared to most of my level bc mostly been in dead unions

[late tiger]

Does snowHA need cs?

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit here i go

[gaunt pulsar]

no, completely doesn't work on her

[versed mesa]

I always just hit the highest ranked player in Rookie that I know I can win against. My only goal is the 5 wins with free tickets everyday, cause there is that one challenge that gives 480cd every 500 attack wins in there. It is practically a worthless amount of cd, only about 4.8cd per day every 100 days assuming no whiffs, but I just try to squeeze every bit anyway

[late tiger]

Ty, so only atk, ele, 3 crit 1 ammo?

[gaunt pulsar]

yea

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit as you requested

[tropic summit]

didn't get rumani low enough rip, run the other team thanks for testing

[marble saddle]

heres the 2nd suggestion you gave.

[tropic summit]

you set quantums 7 on the units i gave you right?

[marble saddle]

on jackal and testi yes. the other 3 had adjutant 8

[tropic summit]

this kinda stinks

timing on noah was off for a millisecond and she got stunned pre burst

[marble saddle]

well thats a cs deficit

[tropic summit]

might actually want to just yolo with jackal in p1

[marble saddle]

wouldnt that get testi killed even faster?

i think my best shot is an indom team since testi doesnt even stay alive long enough to do any dmg

[tropic summit]

their scarlet isn't lethal because they've 0 buffs

gonna make you facetank it and be done with it

show me your box

[marble saddle]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtOTU2ODkyMTE4MDkxMDkxNzI5OA%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtOTU2ODkyMTE4MDkxMDkxNzI5OA%3D%3D

[tropic summit]

that doesn't really help

[marble saddle]

i turned the nikkes to visible to all

[tropic summit]

your first 3-4 lines is enough anyway

[marble saddle]

give it another try

[tropic summit]

still nothing

i don't think it's immediate either

ok it worked now

ye time for moran'ing this

[marble saddle]

not the moroan

[tropic summit]

how's your swha btw?

[marble saddle]

you can check.

the box is open.

[tropic summit]

ye but im asking because she's very down low

need some CP here

bah w/e

[tropic summit]

run this, should fix your CS% issue

this one is also fun but keep it if the above doesn't work

[marble saddle]

ill run it later when hes done his 5 atks. since the higher in score he is the more points ill get from him
if it succeeds

[tropic summit]

aight, lemme know how it goes

[marble saddle]

will do. ty for you time.

[tropic summit]

if only one of his bracket mates would show up, we could pvp @shell hazel 's teams

maybe even force him to gem, imagine the possibilities

[fathom rock]

My spa still has 5 whales

[tropic summit]

reshuffle at the end of this season, you'll have 6 then

[lone sequoia]

6+ in 3 week (?

one more season?

[quartz vortex]

howcome sometimes i win this sometimes i lose?

[tropic summit]

burst with helmT instead of SWHA

[coarse lake]

you're running borderline mirror, what do you think

[tropic summit]

you'll nuke and kill link

[lone sequoia]

blanc can fix it

[tropic summit]

helmT will be faster than SWHA

he'll also be on sustain afterward

[lone sequoia]

it should work

not sure about swha dmg or how good the enemy units are

[tropic summit]

assuming there's no wild CS% at play anyhow

[tropic summit]

ye another valid point, swha crits preburst can be nasty

[lone sequoia]

yesterday i lost a hit because my scar crit 2 counters against a cindy and proc biscuit s2 (like +3.5m per crit ) and my swha team kept a 2RL rapu in stun range

[tropic summit]

you won lotto there lol

wild coincidences

[coarse lake]

I love my cindy invuln vs scar, basically my main wincon with slow cindy

p2 cindy makes it much easier

if scar strong, cindy invuln
if scar weak, rumani lives

odds actually end up in my favor until shithara inevitably misses a crucial target

[lone sequoia]

it doesn't happen often when most of the teams in my sp bracket are c7 at higher sync, this case was lb0 cindy in a c7 team (didn't check) but extremely weak units

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit this wins against rival right?

[umbral belfry]

lemme in we'll make it 6

[coarse lake]

that's an interesting comp

[quartz vortex]

how good is rosanna? dont know if i should work on her or not

[lone sequoia]

is that team 2.5RL?

[coarse lake]

I don't like your odds, even if you misindom them and kill sw with linked rosa, their cindy burst still wipes you

[leaden canyon]

his? it should be

[lone sequoia]

expensive unit, but still good to counter some comps or burst gen tool, not that good in DEF

[quartz vortex]

i think i used her for a bit by sending an unit to die

[lone sequoia]

biscuit-swha link, can siren stun jackal? or just kill p1~p3, rosanna should kill swha

[quartz vortex]

for the gauge fill

[coarse lake]

not sure why you're using nayuta tbh

[lone sequoia]

if you win the other 2 rounds, send that team for test

[quartz vortex]

cp

my noah just dies

[coarse lake]

if cindy bursts it's gg

[lone sequoia]

yes, that is why i asked about the speed, but only 1 b1

[coarse lake]

it might feed to 2rl

eyeballing it baseline the comp should be 3rl

siren with no other feed is prob good enough

[leaden canyon]

can only win 1 other round

siren would feed it enough to 2 rl with rosanna also on the team

[coarse lake]

why would you use rosa then, don't bother

[lone sequoia]

should be fine a slower indom+ kill pressure, not sure if you can just waste biscuit S2 early

[coarse lake]

if sirening, you want sw to burst if anything, buys you more time while sw is charging in case you can't kill before they burst

[leaden canyon]

Nvm I know what to use, found what I used against this before

just outspeed with fast scar because frames

[lone sequoia]

nuke p3~p5 and wait for p1~p2?

[late tiger]

Is emergency cube good for moran or only use tempering for her?

[lone sequoia]

tempering is better for team synergy... but if you have units with HP skills or at really high HP/defensive stats (max core) you can use them

[fathom rock]

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

u gib me rock but not roll back to 0 lock 0 rock

[umbral belfry]

good

[wild hemlock]

what happens

[umbral belfry]

[oblique gyro]

@shell hazel i am at behemot, sync 467, break time deserved

34.06 and 34.35 were absolut dogsh** stages

[shell hazel]

nicely done 🙂
behemoth was a bit of a pain but doable at 481 if you got right stuff built

[oblique gyro]

i'll try at 481 but i don't have elec team, i'll try cind/helm/mast

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-maybe-idk-thinking-think-gif-21627645

[shell hazel]

34-35 was fine with all the heals I used 😄

[oblique gyro]

i saw lot of people cheese some hard stages with ada

[shell hazel]

I have a video of behe clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnnJv3Zi5oQ

it's based on @upper grove clear, his is a bit cleaner than mine but same comp/idea

his video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmRmZb8irKo

[gritty ridge]

Hi hippo

[shell hazel]

[gritty ridge]

She player on my player til I vs

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nickelback-nickel-back-nickel-back-nickelback-band-gif-16349080369610192213

it's helpful if you can eat a single rock from about full hp @oblique gyro I gave Rapi temperance cube

[oblique gyro]

i saved it ty

[shell hazel]

timing is tight otherwise, more than 1 is not good though

also I did this one in 30 fps game mode

[gritty ridge]

Behe you kinda need to be able to tank 1 rock

[shell hazel]

I could get away with not always needing to but it's a bit rng and timing is close

[gritty ridge]

I used same comp as you

Hypercarry cindy is the standard nowadays

[shell hazel]

you need to prep helm to manual burst gen everytime burst near the end

is the best advice I can give, you need to get back to burst asap

[gritty ridge]

Hippo dont forget burst delay to properly set it up so you can clear rocks after ele qte

[shell hazel]

I just went back into b3 asap

[cedar sorrel]

Probably a small accomplishment for many here but I finally cracked challenger!

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[cedar sorrel]

Im being CP gapped by everyone but still managed with Railtracer's teams and some edits to try and crack their defence

[gritty ridge]

Congrats

I remember my first time getting into challenger

[cedar sorrel]

Wholesome

I definitely need to start OLing my PVP units just for the CP

I also got like random good pvp units with 0 investment like xmaiden that I just cant use

And I really need to pull biscuit and noah

My pvp pool is honestly hella barebones I think nayuta and tvesti have been carrying me like crazy. Shwa release also helped a lot

[gritty ridge]

I dont use x.maiden

I dont even use her in CA

[cedar sorrel]

Ahh okay maybe thats good for me then lol

[upper grove]

just perfect time your bursts then you eat 0 rocks

no need to delay any bursts, case in point: my clear vid

[gritty ridge]

Idk man, every low clear ive seen including mine on any behe clear the tank a rock

[upper grove]

I didn't tank a single one

I literally couldn't; my rapi would die 100% of the time, I didn't think to put on tempering

[umbral belfry]

@wild hemlock btw if i lose tomorrow, you lose too

I'm not going down alone

we both losing

[shell hazel]

nah you can avoid it sometimes I did but the timing is tight, especially if you try and sneak in two bursts before the first phase switch

[shell hazel]

when I get to snek I will be trying this with temperance on everyone lol

[gritty ridge]

What if I get there first

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wont-dwayne-johnson-frank-the-rock-seven-bucks-gif-17539945

[gritty ridge]

You dont know, I could be spending 600 a month on dust

[shell hazel]

I know this because || I am already there ||

[gritty ridge]

I dont like your team

[shell hazel]

well I don't like your face

[gritty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-knife-gif-13655503135447721047

[valid inlet]

Good luck @wild hemlock stop the cn hegemony

[wild hemlock]

we will be losing together

[umbral belfry]

[coarse lake]

if I make it past enty my setup should counter cn dude pretty well unless a miracle happens problem is I prob won't be getting past enty

[wild hemlock]

The previous guy had literal exact setup in the same spots and I won so odds aren't horrible but CN guy def better invested and my round 1 matchup i think is purely rng on if soda stuns bay or jackal

[coarse lake]

man that sounds familiar

[umbral belfry]

sure would be a shame if bay got stunned and ruins everything

[hollow lagoon]

[coarse lake]

I lost the 50/50 on that with my soda, let's hope yours is more lucky

cost me my second win

soda got demoted to the bench bc of it

[hollow lagoon]

I’m glad I didn’t invest in soda

[coarse lake]

there isn't much investing to even do with soda

[hollow lagoon]

Gotta gib some tankiness to live does she not?

[coarse lake]

yeah a bit, but mine lived fine on sr0 for a long time

[hollow lagoon]

I have no OL

Is what I mean

[gritty ridge]

Mine does her job naked

Like a good maid should

[hollow lagoon]

Kekkkekekek

So far my set’s been doing relatively well

Even tho my flagship team lost

Well not really flagship per say- garden salad instead of seafood salad

And turns out label ver slow Cindy is not good against vesti variants

[umbral crown]

[hollow lagoon]

Lose weakness of scar but introduce weakness of vesti

[tropic summit]

i'd pick something lethal compared to helmt B3 here, opponent is slower so you can punish with w/e

[hollow lagoon]

Lib nuke for great justice?

[leaden canyon]

Yeah I just out sped it with scar

[hollow lagoon]

Lib too slow

Swha 2.5 gen is just maddness

[gritty ridge]

Lib is great for deficit

And shes a good CA b3

[tribal hollow]

Is Siren a good answer here to stun Blanc? I imagine gambling with Rosanna dispel is not a good idea lol

[wild hemlock]

I went 4-1 vs other guy so even if I lost soda rng technically I should still win but now I'm defending SG instead of attacking and pretty sure cn guy is faster so idk. Comes down to either soda rng or SG rng but 2 of the matches I should win 100%

[tropic summit]

that team wants to land indom, running siren will prevent it
at that point you can run your own indom safely and wipe them

you can also take the rosanna approach with vestiTU, as you'll hit link hard in p3 and 1hitko swha and lib, but i agree with siren you're just ensured

[gritty ridge]

I would just run vesti

Thats an unprotected blanc in p1

Solo b2 as well

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bait-1

blanc may be linked good sir

[gritty ridge]

Over lib and label?!

[tribal hollow]

[tropic summit]

i've seen that b4 that's why i sus it

siren ensures he will indom and prevent indom, no variables in between

[umbral crown]

Yes

[gritty ridge]

If shes linked just kill all 3 links before burst

[tropic summit]

sort of, but he's taking chances

rule n1 of sp arena, pick the option that guarantee win if available

[gritty ridge]

I gotchu

[tropic summit]

he stuns blanc, he goes in indom, done deal

if blanc is linked? he feeds her and potentially non lethal, then he's into indom duel

[gritty ridge]

Who are you

[umbral crown]

I am me

[tropic summit]

the one and only. ロージー

how silly of you to not know ロージー

[umbral crown]

Im ロージー

[tropic summit]

ye he's definitely ロージー

[gritty ridge]

I have no clue what that says

[umbral crown]

Use google

[tribal hollow]

ロージー

[gritty ridge]

No im banned fron google

[gritty ridge]

Wow, ive never met rosie before, must be a new MA

[tropic summit]

just like you

[umbral crown]

Hi im new

[tropic summit]

so many MAs

[gritty ridge]

MA hippo

[tropic summit]

MA hime

[gritty ridge]

They would get demoted so fast lmao

[umbral crown]

Why

[gritty ridge]

Theyd help once a month

[umbral crown]

[haughty mortar]

For this team, should I swap Bis for Nayu?

[tropic summit]

what is that abomination

elaborate the purpose and what you doin' with that, thing

[haughty mortar]

Centi is suppose to be there, but I am already using her in another team

It's vs a

[wild drum]

hey can u help with cubes

[tropic summit]

why do you think there was a centi in there

[tropic summit]

batteries quantum
tanks/indoms/mainB3 tempering
healers vigor/healing
anyone else w/e

[wild drum]

uh can u just help with the teams i have rn

[tropic summit]

post ur 3 teams

[haughty mortar]

Wait, which nikke should be with Quant and Temper?

[wild drum]

also idk if i get any new unit idk who to like replace

[tropic summit]

sh*t sorter spoke 2 lines and i'm already losing my hair

[haughty mortar]

This team worked vs that team before

[haughty mortar]

THIS is why I prefer to just ask the pros

[wild drum]

railtracer i sento

i started upgrading trina cuz i heard she good in raid

just gear tho im working on my campaign dolls like vesti still

[tropic summit]

jackal quantum
vestiTU tempering
blanc tempering
trina quantum
sbs any

nayuta any
centi quantum
helmT tempering/any
rh any
bsoda any

crown any
biscuit vigor
ein any
swha any
rrh any

[tropic summit]

ye ofc it did with centi and against feed teams, still slow af though, you gotta sub alice for a better flex

[haughty mortar]

What cubes should I use there?

And this is the other team

[tropic summit]

remove SBS for a better indom and put sbs instead of alice, the indom target must be lower HP than SBS and jackal

you've vestiTU and SWHA, use them

@shell hazel i like this art

sauce: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3942480/The_NOexistenceN_of_Morphean_Paradox__The_Forest_of_Silver_Shallots/

[tribal hollow]

Many thanks! I just want a stupid check on rounds 2 and 3 while I'm here (and so I hopefully don't need to keep asking in future). It's my understanding that I should be using slow Cindy on a team like round 2. I guess that the end of the day, that is my real question, since I only need to win 2 of 3 rounds. But in the event I swap indom Vesti to bring Blanc to team 1, is the slow Cindy counter just a 2RL Libby nuke?

I should just post all 3 teams instead of doing this crap

[haughty mortar]

Or should I run this instead?

[tropic summit]

ye the 3 teams would give me a clearer picture

[tropic summit]

i've no idea who or what you running this against

[haughty mortar]

Cindy team

[tropic summit]

to answer your question:

T2

this is a 3RL, but it runs bayT, bayT can mitigate slow cindy effectiveness, if cindy casts B3 when cover is up, her dmg goes in cover. It's also running sustain, DR and DoT heal + lifesteal, all direct counters to slow cindy with midhara in it... ironically don't run slow cindy against this matchup, as it counters it A LOT.

rather punish T2 for being slow, 2RL scar/trina/RH-liter-siren-label will make short work of it

T3

this is a rather mild take on slow cindy... in fact it's maybe too fast as it's leaning to 3RL, also lacks nayuta/blanc to make it dangerous, all you need here is a 2RL lib or again 2RL nuke/indom, ensure you pop biscuit stack on p1 and p2, then cindy will die to lethal and you just gotta wait the invulnerability to go out on rumani and noah

e.g. noah bis vestiTU rh helmT/SWHA

[tropic summit]

cindy team that looks like what? you need to show the units

[haughty mortar]

Sorry got distracted by 2 many pings

Where does Vesti fit in? I know you showed me for Defense, but who would she normally replace for attack?

[tropic summit]

ok, 2RL noah biscuit archetype, you've a DPS oriented + nuke team, enemy only has nuke, that's countered, good choice

vesti has better DPS than SWHA, she'd replace SWHA as long as you retain 2RL

assuming you've vestiTU on 4%CS or more, you're 2RL

[tribal hollow]

Very informative, good lord. Thank you so much. I can't exactly say much else besides that for helping me learn

[haughty mortar]

Mine has NO cs lines

[tropic summit]

then go get them, until then you need to help vestiTU hit 2RL

[wild drum]

HOW TO GET TEMPERING CUBE 😭

or vigor 😭

[tropic summit]

push campaign

until you've those use any available cube

[wild drum]

im at like 31- something

[shell hazel]

Interesting, I've been playing more Morimens lately I'm trying to catch up a bit with some of the events and things in it

[tribal hollow]

Lost Sector 18 for vigor, 22 for tempering

[haughty mortar]

What about cubes? Currently, noah temp Bisc quant, jack quant, centi quant

[tribal hollow]

Chapter 31 probably means you have most certainly met the requirements for those lost sectors, so just go do them

[wild drum]

so i'm not close to doing those or idk

[tropic summit]

that team can run w/e cubes, ensure you're 2RL as needed https://nikke-deck.web.app/

burst gen sheets if you can't access the site @haughty mortar

kosmiu
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=1990278246#gid=1990278246

gatrix
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[tribal hollow]

You can at least get vigor. I think you need to clear all of chapter 31 to get access to lost sector 22 though

But go get vigor at least. That's available now. Just do your lost sectors

[haughty mortar]

So this no good >< vs Scar trina

[wild drum]

ok ill do it later ig

[rough geode]

Is Label good against scarlet nuke teams? since she has damage taken reduce from eletric?

[haughty mortar]

So is the word

[gritty ridge]

Btw, does anyone have a vid of scar trina rh going into a label?

I wanna see how it looks

[coarse lake]

🤏

[gritty ridge]

Eon dont bully me here too

Im a curious guy

[haughty mortar]

BOOOLLLIII! MOOOODS!

[haughty mortar]

I can swap with LapT, but CP drops a lot

Anyway I won! TY

Also lesson learned: DO NOT DO PVP AT WORK WHEN ONE CANNOT DOUBLE CHECK SHIT!

[crystal flicker]

I lost against a singer

[umbral crown]

how so

[flat fern]

trying to gauge who wins for cheers

especially bottom, how does the whole shotgun team buffs fare against 2rl scarlet trina

[umbral belfry]

it's my fellow pie mates lova and tatsu

i think

stop rosy!

actually it might not be

[flat fern]

it is neither

[umbral belfry]

it's an imposter

[flat fern]

they're on the other one

[umbral belfry]

i knew it

[flat fern]

this is group 1, lova and tatsu is group 7

[umbral crown]

should i do the thing?

[umbral belfry]

t1 r (gonna assume l isn't 2.5)
t2 l
t3 l
t4 l
t5 likely r

[umbral belfry]

but t5 can also be l if anis doesn't die fast enough but i think she will

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

actually l could win t2, it's a 2.5 scar. regardless l has the bigger lean overall

[unique mountain]

[flat fern]

ty

[umbral crown]

hola tu

[gritty ridge]

You look familiar

[flat fern]

bigger difficulty has been trying to gauge how big some of the lower powers play a part

[unique mountain]

[gritty ridge]

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor

[unique mountain]

[umbral crown]

LD esta goloso

[wild patio]

chat can I win against C3 and C4 with that CP diff?

[umbral crown]

you have a chance but you need to do a special cook

but why are you 4.3m at 565

[rustic sandal]

What matters is that you win with 2 teams, and your CP isn't too low than theirs.

[wild patio]

wym with this sentence

[rustic sandal]

Is it 84%?

[wild patio]

am I.. too weak for my lvl rn

[gritty ridge]

Maybe

[wild patio]

[gritty ridge]

Idk im not your sync

[umbral crown]

sadly,,, kinda. i guess you are more pve than pvp

[wild hemlock]

[umbral belfry]

[raven plover]

[eager mountain]

:dorowhip:

[umbral crown]

whip the doro

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-dorothy-dorowhip-gif-13339968757220517040

[coarse lake]

[unique wagon]

Shall we argue about TL again

Let me make this easy for you guys

Just put whoever's not there in whatever bracket

[coarse lake]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[unique wagon]

I give ALL the rights to you to decide who are in A and S for B2 and B3

[coarse lake]

didn't you already have enough discussion in the past 2 days

[unique wagon]

No, cus there wasnt an agreement

[coarse lake]

you're not gonna get an agreement today either (depending on who shows up)

[unique wagon]

a court can be held over 6 sessions. why cant a TL be discussed in 2+

[coarse lake]

just go by your best judgement, it's your tierlist anyway

[unique wagon]

Not mine

[coarse lake]

what else is there to even say, pretty sure every relevant unit's placement has been discussed, esp those that ppl got issue with

[unique wagon]

Yeah there are only 2 unsolved issues

• MiharaBC being in S.
• XMaiden being in SS or two tiers above SGs.
• Ada being S.

These are the only 3 problems.

[coarse lake]

then put the others back so we get an idea of who's where atm, I don't remember where units are

and we can just do a quick discussion if needed and vote between ppl that show up or something

[unique wagon]

I removed them, so there's no bias on what's already there. I removed all that were debated. And the rest I believe should not be moved. Maybe Makima can but whatever.

[coarse lake]

what's the alternative option for these

[unique wagon]

• People suggested MiharaBC be in A, but if I do this, they ask me to nerf Mana/RH B3.
• People suggested Clip SGs B3 go to S. Or XMaiden goes to S.
• Some people say Ada should be SS.

I want Cindy in SS because I want to avoid drama, even with Label there.

Well, Scarlet's not down yet, so Cindy shouldn't be (yet).

I removed Cindy by mistake.

We can have XMaiden S, Cindy SS Ada SS LaplaceTr SS Lib

[coarse lake]

this is looking from ca standpoint, I barely do spa now.
Mihara S is fine, esp since cindy is SS, mihara is used in most cindy comps, and in some non cindy comps (slow lib)
Ada and Xmaiden in S is fine, both are more or less used on the same ca team as variants (noise vesti bay), ada can buff sw, xmaiden is backup in other comps, seems basically same value
noir, draket, bsoda at least should all be in the same tier imo

[unique wagon]

Yes Noir DrakeT BSoda will be in the same tier

but which tier...

[coarse lake]

where are the other clip sgs, A?

if the likes of maiden and sugar are A, then sure put those 3 in S

[unique wagon]

Maiden and the gang, B

[coarse lake]

then who's in A, I need context

[unique wagon]

Empty

Maybe ReiTN is a good benchmark

[coarse lake]

who's S again

aside from debated ones

[unique wagon]

All got debated

[glad meteor]

Give sugar A at least. High invested double iron sg can kill moran

[coarse lake]

sugar slightly over maiden yes, a tier or no prob depends on where the other 3 end up

[unique wagon]

One edge cases isnt enough to put in A

[coarse lake]

either the trio in S, sugar in A, maiden in B
or trio in A, maiden and sugar in B

maiden also affected by label

[glad meteor]

Cindy moran (no biscuit) noise killed

[unique wagon]

Needs "multiple edge cases" to be in A. Otherwise I can say, Flora should be A

[quick lake]

Mihara in S sounds good to me. High enough that cause she's in CA meta, but not often seen in SPA (still usable in SPA tbh)
xMaiden and Laplace should be similar tier imo. Be it in SS or S. I think S is fair, given SG feed isnt that much of a big deal these days as all teams are 2RL. 1 SG in the team is not enough to feed 2RL to 1 or 1.5RL.
I think Ada in SS is good. Situationally very good off-burst buffer. Nice life-steal effect, pairs great with Indom Vesti

[glad meteor]

Isnt A tier just useful units?

[unique wagon]

Useful means multiple use cases no? Not just one.

B can be use(d).

[glad meteor]

Clip sg pressure and securing electric tanks death is enough use cases for me

[quick lake]

Sugar, QeQ, Rei.A, MaidPriv, Maiden, Alice, 2B, SDoro should be booted out of A

[coarse lake]

securing is a strong word, only unit they're reliably killing should be noise

moran is a close call, but from what I've seen in nayuta sg it likely isn't happening

[unique wagon]

Cus if you want EVERY useful unit be in A+, then units like Crown, Flora, MastM, and even DieselT may be useful.

[glad meteor]

That’s mostly because of biscuit

[coarse lake]

built double iron 3 sg setup can't kill my moran while 80 sync higher @valid inlet what was your invest again

[unique wagon]

A benchmark for B3 is ReiTN

[glad meteor]

[unique wagon]

or RH B3 (factors in value of being able to B1 B2 too)

[coarse lake]

just show where the other units currently are so we can use them for reference

[glad meteor]

Fair. Investing sugar is probably mostly just for a very small % of players anyway

[unique wagon]

People say Laplace got burst gen buffed and is too useful now

[quick lake]

whut, her burst gen is buffed again?

[unique wagon]

but weirdly winrate seems to skew toward Maiden
Now Blood is gonna come and say "Maiden's winrate is carried by someone else"

[coarse lake]

well... bc it is

lapt can't really fit well into noise vesti bay

[quick lake]

B1/B2 gimmick like Bay should be more valuable, given teams are mostly 2RL now

[unique wagon]

I mean I can throw all Ada XMaid Laplace in SS but people also say XMaid shudnt be 2 tiers above SGs

I maybe XMaid and Mihara in S, Laplace Ada SS

why is her winrate going up to 65% in recent CA, when clip SGs rarely go above 40%

SGs DO have higher use rate

[glad meteor]

Using win rate is still misleading though

Against scar for example, scar s2 can just decidie if rosa dies or not

[quick lake]

xMaiden being defender, fits into more Indom + jackal teams, cause easier to control Indom imo

[unique wagon]

It's not because it shows how it compares against most teams on avg

[glad meteor]

SGs team need a decent invest to be actually competent

[quick lake]

xmaiden tends to be on winning teams

[unique wagon]

Scar S2 RNG is taken into account of rating

[glad meteor]

People also just copy pasta teams

[unique wagon]

and no assuming best/worst case

[coarse lake]

sg is cheap but not really a good comp

[unique wagon]

I know thats why I want them in A

[quick lake]

xSoline Rapun new meta these days

[valid inlet]

3 atk and 4 ele

[unique wagon]

So if core Clip SGs are in A

and Mihara is in S, and Cindy is in SS

where does Ada XMaid and Laplace go?

[quick lake]

S

[unique wagon]

You want all in S?

[coarse lake]

S or SS, I don't have that strong opinions ask me a few seasons in the past or future and it'll probably change

prob look to spa usage if anything at this point

[unique wagon]

no data for that

[coarse lake]

@tropic summit

[quick lake]

Is it not fair?

[unique wagon]

Idk

[coarse lake]

who else in ss

and who's in s

[unique wagon]

just see the B2 and B1 as benchmark ig

trina is ss

centi anis whatever

[unique wagon]

cindy lib

[unique wagon]

only mihara

nayuta got debated too

thats why i removed her

but trina ss

[coarse lake]

just put them all SS then

and find a way to promote some to S

[unique wagon]

no one can

[quick lake]

LapT SS > S
SAnis SS > S/A
xMaiden SS > S
Biscuit SSS > SS
Mana S > A
BayT S > SS
Soda B > S
xSoline B > A
Blanc SS > SSS
Maid Anchor S > A (or same)
Regular Mast C > B
Flora C > B
A tier list is a mess, because 2B/Alice/Maiden/MaidPriv/QeQ kinda mid

[coarse lake]

they're better than mihara for sure, but worse than lib, so idk

[crystal flicker]

I mean some of the tierlist is biased

[unique wagon]

its old

[swift mango]

SG is mandatory for CA whether they are good or not. You not playing them and not making champ doesn't count.

[valid inlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SNcTcyDnRE&list=PLGy8eN06MnFneoJeF4wXPaqgL1ENF_im1&index=32
Was inspired by this video, Moran got killed in 2 shots, but it might be a result of crit (his bsoda has high crit rate) and the moran may be low invested

[quick lake]

Whut, moran didnt even proc her s1

[north brook]

Its still more that theres no other legitimate options though

What would team 6 even be

[coarse lake]

eh tbh

[unique wagon]

this

[coarse lake]

considering mihara is S, I'm not against moving the 3 core sgs up to S and putting sugar and vipert in A

[swift mango]

tbf, I'm about to not playing SG rosa next CA, but only if I do make it to champ or seeing others making it to champ without SG, will I agree they aren't needed.

[north brook]

Sg rosa is good enough and makes use of rosa kit and nayuta mainly, but theres not really any other usable b2 comp strategy

[valid inlet]

I built my sugar and bsoda to 3 atk and 4 ele still can't kill Eon's Moran tho, in rookie with 80 lvl syncro difference, I stopped continuing the rolls for now

[quick lake]

Damn. Moran to tanky

[coarse lake]

my moran's not even max built gears aren't maxed

only 3 def lines

but well sugar still better than maiden regardless

[swift mango]

[valid inlet]

May require Bsoda high crit and dmg rolls as well

[coarse lake]

12/12 bsoda, sounds fun

[valid inlet]

That's Yuly's bsoda

[quick lake]

12/12/ wowz

[coarse lake]

high cr bsoda ain't bad for nuking slow cindies tho

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

@unique wagon my 2 cents

[swift mango]

Why is Biscuit SS though?

[quick lake]

Not often used in SPA nowadays imo

Now nobody uses the OG Moran Biscuit SAnis teams

[swift mango]

mayeb its just you

[quick lake]

Maybe indeed

[unique wagon]

I am back

[quick lake]

Biscuit just slows down teams

[unique wagon]

Biscu is definitely SSS

[quick lake]

[quick lake]

Do u still use biscuit often

[swift mango]

In this economy?

[quick lake]

in SPA

[north brook]

Bisc slows down ur opponent from killing u xd

Esp when we have dps with gen

[quick lake]

For deficit pvp biscuit is impt. Outside of that, i rarely run her in SPA

[swift mango]

We can totally make 4 2rl team with biscuit now.

[north brook]

Can carry any low gen unit to 2rl

[quick lake]

But biscuit wastes a slot. I rather run like Noise Noah, decently tanky enough

Just me. I think biscuit kinda mid in pvp nowadays

[unique wagon]

Here are the units that I don't want changing. The rest can be filled in.

[obtuse dagger]

is this bug on swol white?

[unique wagon]

No.

All seq attacks have never been blockable by Biscuit (in a way like Dist Dmg)

[swift mango]

No, just bad wording.

[unique wagon]

shud have been "unlike Distributed Damage"

[swift mango]

Moran taunt all attack so biscuit effectively block all the attack

[unique wagon]

[swift mango]

but in this case it's not

so biscuits still block the one landing on moran

[unique wagon]

Now, decide where:

• Nayuta
• Nero
• Centi
• Anis
• XMaiden
• LaplaceTr
• MiharaBC

Feel free to suggest changes on other units.

[swift mango]

with bay dmg share+biscuit you blocked 60%+ dmg on everyone.

[obtuse dagger]

i saw this comp on my enemy team and i thought it was very good comp, any thoughts about this?

i tried it my self but i lack on CS on my RL's

[swift mango]

it's good but waste many key units on one single team, mostly for SpA.

[north brook]

Ya wouldnt use both swha and vesti

[raven plover]

time to copy

[swift mango]

it's also not 2rl, so unless Vesti has mad CS and enemy had none, I doubt Bay would block 2rl scarlet in time.

[obtuse dagger]

it could cause i tried to attack it with scar + rosanna 2rl

[swift mango]

Your team not killing it doesn't necessarily mean it's burst in time. Need video or pic.

Moran bursting may help you survive already,

[obtuse dagger]

and with biscuit not dying early is big after moran and bay burst it can still proc and stall

i wish i knew someone here to try this LOL

[unique wagon]

How much is Lappu burst gen compared to Clippy?

[gritty ridge]

Same tier, just consider her the slowest clip

Unless you mean non treasure

[unique wagon]

I thought she got buffed

[gritty ridge]

She did

She went from below x.maiden to clip

[unique wagon]

Where is dmaiden

[gritty ridge]

X.maiden is fastest 2.5 if that makes sense

Shes just above clip sg and pascal

[unique wagon]

Oooo

Maiden S then

[gritty ridge]

I wouldnt

She doesnt even see use in quite a few CA setups now

At least put her under lib

[unique wagon]

Lib is ss

[gritty ridge]

S is alright then

[unique wagon]

Hmm

[gritty ridge]

Laplace should be above the other clips, but a full tier above doesnt feel right

Cuz laplace has very high p1/2 pressure

[unique wagon]

Centi Anis is S. Trina is SS.

Rumani is SS.

[gritty ridge]

How come trina ss?

[unique wagon]

Shes just good?

[gritty ridge]

She enables scar, which has lost a bit of value

Otherwise shes just a standard battery

Rumani has an advantage of b1 and defender so I can understand her being higher

[unique wagon]

Trina can enable not only Scar.

She can enable Moran too and Cindy idk some people say

[gritty ridge]

Very mild cindy buff

[unique wagon]

Anyhow SS Trina everyone alr agrees on that Im not changing

[gritty ridge]

Fair enough, I was just curious

[unique wagon]

Most of the units I didnt remove have the majority support them. The ones I said for debate are 50 50

[gritty ridge]

Id put laplace in SS in that case tho

[unique wagon]

Kara fe wants Ada in SS

[gritty ridge]

[unique wagon]

But there are others who say nah shes S

[gritty ridge]

Yeah I wouldnt put her in SS

I dont even use her for deficit hits

[obtuse dagger]

bruh i was wrong it was like this

[gritty ridge]

Oh hi moran bay

[unique wagon]

I think Hime said Lappu SS, Maiden S, Ada S

[gritty ridge]

One of my favorite comps

[gritty ridge]

I agree with hime there

[north brook]

Dont think ada seen enough for ss

[unique wagon]

Ada is the one actually 50 50 rn.

[north brook]

Ss should be units on every ca comp pretty much

[unique wagon]

Maiden leaning toward S. Laplace leaning toward SS. So I will decide it like this.

[north brook]

If they are missing ever, s or below

[unique wagon]

Now, it's just Ada, Nayuta, and Nero

[gritty ridge]

Nayuta High A low S

[unique wagon]

Youre the outlier here btw

[gritty ridge]

I figured

[unique wagon]

People want her SS and u suggest A

[gritty ridge]

I said high A

[north brook]

Nero fallen off because of more units with constant aoe dmg and sustain

Nayu could be s or ss

[unique wagon]

SS means similar value to Trina BayTr LaplaceTr Cindy Lib

[gritty ridge]

Nayuta main use is sg team, which isnt the best wr team by far

Id go S for nayu

[unique wagon]

Bro peoples take on Nayu is like either is fine I dont care

[gritty ridge]

Shes good for deficit but shes just so slow

[unique wagon]

Note that Makima is in A. I can lower her to B.

[gritty ridge]

I mean, almost nobody has makima

Her indom is better than nayuta's funnily enough

[unique wagon]

Undispellable anw

[gritty ridge]

Undispellable, only activates at 1 hp, shes a defender

[unique wagon]

Anywho Nayuta in S means 1 tier above Makima

[gritty ridge]

Thats fair

Makima sadly isnt gonna see any use because of how few people have her

[unique wagon]

How about Nero

[gritty ridge]

Also her kit is ass other than indom

Id put nero A

Nero moran has almost entirely fallen out of meta

[ivory violet]

Yeah this team is even harder to play against if they use noah over bay, most ppl probably won't figure out how to beat it

[gritty ridge]

Moran is peak tho

[unique wagon]

Moran is SS

[gritty ridge]

Arguably the best b1 in pvp

[unique wagon]

Im sure that's Jackal

[gritty ridge]

Jackal is the only sss Im guessing?

[unique wagon]

Arguably Moran can be SSS nowadays

[north brook]

Jack not used for b1 tho

[gritty ridge]

Jack link+gen is ridiculous

[north brook]

Ya

[unique wagon]

I will consider Moran Noise in SSS

[gritty ridge]

I would be on the moran promotion side

The 3 best b1 getting their recognition

[unique wagon]

But it will be weird for the TL probably

Because Rosanna is still in SS too

[north brook]

They fine in ss really

[gritty ridge]

Rosa's gimmick can be prevented, noise and moran are just walls of the highest degree

[unique wagon]

Who are fine?

[north brook]

Even moran not really a full win on her own or team strat enabler

[gritty ridge]

Moran solos teams wym

[north brook]

We just only have jack for team strat b1

[gritty ridge]

Kisenix where did t.poli end up btw

[north brook]

the team comp units are mostly b2/b3, u can mix the b1s

[unique wagon]

Dunno whats ur suggestion

[gritty ridge]

A

[unique wagon]

How about the u treasured Poli

[gritty ridge]

Untreasured poli? Idk like C lmao

0 use

[unique wagon]

Ok will nerf her down to C

Nah the C tier is useless back to B

Old meta before treasure came anyway

[gritty ridge]

If that's the case id put any and all defenders in at least B

[unique wagon]

The other is Diesel and Delta

The NEW Delta

[gritty ridge]

Booby ninja

[unique wagon]

We haven't seen DieselTr Nayuta heal share thing

[gritty ridge]

Thats 2 massive speed drags on a team

[north brook]

Its not a thing

Cant get that team to burst

[unique wagon]

Its a thing for meme

Anywho there is one more unit

I forgot who

Wait I think its all

Good then

Oh wait ADA

[gritty ridge]

Id put her S

[unique wagon]

Fair

I think S is fine

S plus means got uses

I guess thats it

Ggwp

Case closed

[eager mountain]

so what does it look like now

[unique wagon]

Nothing

Original tl that i posted with maiden nerfed

Literally only one unit moved and a bunch of low ranks

It was the "good enuf" TL for most people anyway

Or as some people here say

Not sure if I shud bump RRH up

[north brook]

From cope to cope?

[unique wagon]

Lol

Usable

Test

[north brook]

Eh shes fine in that tier u need to know what ur doing and only run her vs specific stuff

[unique wagon]

I will send one later Im outside

Ok then ig she can stay B

Most of the B tier is know what you are doing tier anyway

[north brook]

But idk problem with anything below a or even a is they are used so sparsely or by players with incomplete rosters/noobs with her as their main dps

[tidal lichen]

i think tl should be based on defense only, not a mix of defense and offense

[unique wagon]

That is true as well RRH is one of the best bruteforce attackers

[unique wagon]

Misleading TL because Scar Cindy Rosa Label will fall hard

And shotguns become B tier

Or C even

[tidal lichen]

ca still exists tho

[unique wagon]

B thrn

Attackers should not be discriminated against. TL weighs both.

[north brook]

Arguably to show the better b rank units could drop the stuff like harran or other cope even more

[unique wagon]

That I support

Will drop the old Bs into Cs

[north brook]

Mpriv, a2, alice are just not it

Alice only ok for cp pad rlly for oldies

[unique wagon]

Shud RRH be S

A*

Hmmm

[north brook]

Feel like top of b is what makes sense

[unique wagon]

Ime she only works against 1 type of def comp

[gritty ridge]

Rrh should be below meta

[north brook]

But that depends if shes better/more reliable into more teams than using sbs/sanis

[unique wagon]

So B

[gritty ridge]

Yes

If arena wasnt locked at 30fps I could see her being A at most

[unique wagon]

About Makima

[north brook]

Cuz ive used sanis a bit, sbs a bit, never rrh

[gritty ridge]

What abt her

[unique wagon]

A or B

[gritty ridge]

The lowest A possible

[unique wagon]

There are no subtiers bb

[gritty ridge]

[eager mountain]

well, all are basically useless now unless a new acc for whatever reason got em but not other b3s

[gritty ridge]

Cuz like, shes usable, she is a fantastic wall, but other than that shes ass

[north brook]

Ya thats why its hard to rate them, they really wont be used

[unique wagon]

Usable alternative shusnt be demoted

[eager mountain]

personally i would only have tierlist of characters that are minimally relevant or better, well... thats what i did for a tl of an dead gacha lol

[north brook]

Ya its kinda where s to a is i think

[iron forum]

who should i claim from the new year box only left

[eager mountain]

ur asking in pvp ch so trina

[gritty ridge]

Trina

[iron forum]

aight cuz i need to finally build my team

after slacking for 500 level

[north brook]

Depends what u need more but its really only trina for pvp or milk for tetra tower

[unique wagon]

Save

[gritty ridge]

Or treasure dupes, depending on your account

[unique wagon]

Save

[gritty ridge]

For what??

Theyre not gonna update the pool?

[unique wagon]

Collection

[iron forum]

my tetra tower basically dead XD

[gritty ridge]

Are you saving for nikke 2? Whats the point of collection

[unique wagon]

Alice in tetra? No Alice?

[iron forum]

idk whether i want to put in more effort for tower or pvp

[unique wagon]

Both

[iron forum]

yeah just probably i didnt build the team yet

humm i need someway to show all roaster

[unique wagon]

Trina undoubtedly more useful for PvP. BMilk useless in PvP but good for PvE. Teunhwa niche with Tvesti in pvp but okay in PvE, not generic meta but usable as alt and meta in Fireweak SR.

Hmm

[unique wagon]

Use horizontal mode

Yes

[gritty ridge]

Thats not enougj

I need 6 horizontal pics to show my whole roster

Send 4 pics at a time

[iron forum]

lmao

i should have crop it

[quaint anchor]

Big brain way to get around 4 img limit

[iron forum]

still its too small kekw

[gritty ridge]

You can just do it like this

[crystal flicker]

You're still 330?

[gritty ridge]

No, old set

Im 341

[iron forum]

some i have copy that i didnt use

anyway, the main point is i used black scarlet team till now

time for me to change a team

[crystal flicker]

Leave alone PvP, you dont even have Solo Raid investment despite sync 500+

[iron forum]

yes

i probably need to catch up hahaha

[gaunt pulsar]

you probably drowning in doll material there no way you only had enough to do 1 purple row, not even maxed at that

[iron forum]

whatis this

doll material probably, the purple rolls idk XD

[gaunt pulsar]

i meant first row of a characters with purple dolls, at such high sync it shouldn't be only one really

[shell hazel]

[iron forum]

oh i guess i need to start learning about these shit hahah

any suggestion where to start

[shell hazel]

well how did you upgrade the dolls on these characters?

[lofty hull]

what's the book symbol that changes to a lightning bolt on nikke-deck? it raises the %s when it's a lightning bolt.

[strange linden]

Do you guys have some team combination in SP that doesn't rely on electric (or if it does if it counters Label)
I had one before label wrecked my scarlet team, I replaced her with a SW team but it's gonna be weak to rosanna or sanis

[iron forum]

put best doll and upgrade it to max

[gaunt pulsar]

skill book is skill level 10 in case of THelm, changing it to lighting bold is adding Charge Speed% from your gear, affects how fast you charge therefore amount you generate at certain thresholds

[lofty hull]

ah

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit

[unique wagon]

Hi

[civic prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1081757899530981396.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=worryStab

no i dont have time for a lil chat go away scammer

[unique wagon]

Bye

Wdym

[gaunt pulsar]

the more "correct" way is to put blue doll - upgrade it to level 15 with blue maintenance kits, then change it to purple doll and get lvl5 purple dolls that way instantly.
but more detailed "guide" would be:

• from 1-15 blue doll - blue kits only
• from 5-6 purple doll - 5-10 times blue/ 2-4 time purple kits
• from 6 until 10 - if you still unlucky - 2 purple kits, 1 orange kit, rest is either blue or purple
• from 10 to 11 - repeat 5-6 strat so blue/purple
• from 11 to 15 - just use purple/orange, you would be praying for it to get super success anyway

there different ways on how to go about it, but usually you want to save orange kits and use them only like once per level, and use more purple kits on purple doll stage

[civic prawn]

for legal reason this was a joke but i expect mod to know who kise is at this point

[lofty hull]

there's more to the team maker than just making the %'s big right? I've not paid much attention to these units before so idk if this team is any good, how is it?

[gaunt pulsar]

yes there more to it that's just fast but dead and easily blocked

[lofty hull]

XD. yea, kinda figured.

[quick lake]

Can refer to teams in pins

[scarlet adder]

does rosana need a lot of investment to kill scar with her burst?

it probably depends but let say there is build Scar with SR15 on the other side

[quick lake]

40% atk, SR15

and sometimes still might not be enough

[scarlet adder]

really 😮 i thought it would be easier with scar having her life down anyway

[quick lake]

Hm that's true as well. Okay, with self dmg, likely to die more easily yea

[scarlet adder]

my bay counter stopped working against scar and i either need to invest heavy in lib and pray she survives enemy ros or i thought maybe building rosanna would save my ass here

even with building lib i might need to fix my CS

or try to build teams to beat blanc teams ehhh

or pull label xD

and counter any Scar team i meet hmmmm. i could beat top2 with her maybe xD

[unique wagon]

Why

Me no scammer

Yeah u need heavy invest

Not having Rosa is big L for SpA

At least in my experience

One of the best counter units

I would say Rosa first

[scarlet adder]

so far i managed without rosa but suddenly speed of bay casting is ruining her countering Scar :/ I already have shown this to the guys here

the most weird thing is, it happened against two different guys across 2 days. Really weird. It always worked

like here it worked :[

[unique wagon]

Ask SU

Also Label counters Scar too

[scarlet adder]

yeahh i know

[quick lake]

idk, might just be higher cs% and unlucky scar feed

[scarlet adder]

i see one diff, in the one where it worked i have simple animation on hmmm xD

maybe it makes some shit xD

[quick lake]

oh, i think its really jackal feed. In the first vid, opponent running jackal, so its probably scar + jackal + ur P2 Cindy feeding them to beocme slightly faster

U shouldnt be putting Cindy P2

[scarlet adder]

yeah i know but it kinda hard to not put her there in this comp

i don't have treasure bay

[quick lake]

Ideal Cindy Team is always
Noise Noah/Bay Cindy

[scarlet adder]

this is just normal bay i need her cover

[quick lake]

Bay T vs no T is still the same

[scarlet adder]

it is not, if he will destroy my cover i can't counter scar with her

treasure bay rebuilds cover on burst

so she doesn't care for this

[white compass]

How is using label in pvp

[strange linden]

I'm creating some new teams for SP right now I have:
Moran/Noah/SWHA/Ada/Trina
Jackal/rumani/VestiTU/Blanc/Centi

I have no idea what to do for my third team, I thought of using liberalio+HelmT but I have no idea what to use for burst I and burst II

[white compass]

My scarlet cries at the thought but she's done her time I guess 😔

[worthy knoll]

Was your cover ever destroyed on P2 against those teams? Coz from the vid, your Rumani still has a lot of cover left.. so Bay P2 should be the same.. Bay only rebuilds if cover is destroyed.. if it is not destroyed to begin with, its just the same as non treasured Bay

[scarlet adder]

i think it did in the past, but i can try now sure

[scarlet adder]

she still useful for attacking in pvp

and i don't think everyone have resources to pull Label after RRH and SWHA

[gaunt pulsar]

cannot think of a exact team rn, but I would probably try to create something that forces enemy to waste a blanc or noah on it to beat it, that way they wouldn't be able to use them on other teams and always fall short on their choice

[glad meteor]

You can check frame by frame to see they’re rls are faster to shoot than yours. They were slowly building up

[worthy knoll]

Well the really better solution is place CS on your SR/RL units, like 18% to all so no speed issues at all regardless of pos (aside from P1 Cindy tho)

[glad meteor]

I think crimson said like 11% would be enough

[scarlet adder]

really better and really expensive 😄

[worthy knoll]

I like it quicker, you know me right

[glad meteor]

sasuga pvp mains

[worthy knoll]

Yeah it was obviously a difference of when the opponent got 100%, can see in the failed part Rumani bursted Rosanna rose smoke is already dispersing thin, while successful one, Rosanna rose smoke is still thick, means the opponent was just slower on the successful one

[scarlet adder]

until i get Noah i am careful about my pvp investments, without her i am two steps back even with investments

[strange linden]

If I get BayT, would a team like Noise/BayT/HelmT/lpT/Xmaiden be good enough, it should be able to resist all nukes right? I could also do Noise/Centi/HelmT/Label/LPT so it should resist a scarlet/cindy nuke (but he'd use another one like liberalio)

[worthy knoll]

What is the max hp of your units right now? Like lets say for example HelmT

[onyx scaffold]

more cp for pvp

[scarlet adder]

she is C5 and her hp is this

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I think its survivable with Noise Manchor using XMaiden or any non attacker unit.. lets see

Something like this

[worthy knoll]

Well more like non water unit

Can also go like this, 2 attacker as Rosanna bait, one attacker at P5 as backup B3 and to be the one in the safest and most likely to be alive, coz weakness of Scarlet Trina teams is always its lack of surivability.. so once you weather that scarlet storm you always win

[onyx scaffold]

@lusty gull could i know your lib CS?

hmm

[quick lake]

[onyx scaffold]

meh i will use something else instead of rap

[lusty gull]

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